2013 11-21E IDIAN~-- MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING
IDAHO COMMISSION MEETING
AGENDA
City Council Chambers
33 E. Broadway Avenue, Meridian, Idaho
Thursday, November 21, 2013 at 6:00 p.m.
1. Roll-call Attendance
X_ Macy Miller X Michael Rohm
X Scott Freeman X Joe Marshall
X Steven Yearsley -Chairman
2. Adoption of the Agenda Approved as Amended
3. Consent AgendaApproved
A. Approve Minutes of November 7, 2013 Planning and Zoning
Commission Meeting
4. Action Items
A. Continued Public Hearing from November 7, 2013: AZ 13-015
TM Creek by SCS Brighton, LLC Located Southeast Corner of
W. Franklin Road and S. Ten Mile Road Request: Annexation
and Zoning of 45.34 Acres of Land with C-G (34.82 acres), R-40
(3.94 Acres) and TN-C (5.58 Acres) Zoning DistrictsContinue
Public Hearing to December 5, 2013 Planning and Zoning
Commission Meeting
B. Continued Public Hearing from November 7, 2013: PP 13-030
TM Creek by SCS Brighton, LLC Located Southeast Corner of
W. Franklin Road and S. Ten Mile Road Request: Preliminary
Plat Approval Consisting of Forty-Nine (49) Building Lots and
Three (3) Common/Other Lots on 41.03 Acres of Land in the
Proposed C-G, R-40 and TN-C Zoning Districts Continue Public
Hearing to December 5, 2013 Planning and Zoning
Commission Meeting
C. Public Hearing: CUP 13-013 Cole Valley Christian School
Auxiliary Field by Cole Valley Christian School Located 1108
NE 2 1/2 Street Request: Conditional Use Permit Approval for
the Expansion of a Private Education Institution for an
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Auxiliary Field in an R-15 Zoning District Approved -Prepare
Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law
D. Public Hearing: AZ 13-016 Southern Highlands Subdivision by
BHH Investments I, LLC Located South Side of E. Amity Road
West of S. Eagle Road and North of E. Taconic Drive Request:
Annexation and Zoning of 124.04 Acres of Land with an R-4
Zoning District Recommend Approval to City Council
E. Public Hearing: PP 13-033 Southern Highlands Subdivision by
BHH Investments I, LLC Located South Side of E. Amity Road
West of S. Eagle Road and North of E. Taconic Drive Request:
Preliminary Plat Approval Consisting of 162 Residential
Building Lots, Twelve (12) Common Lots, One (1) City Park Lot
and One (1) Lot for Future Resubdivision on 123.45 Acres of
Land in an R-4 Zoning District Recommend Approval to City
Council
F. Public Hearing: RZ 13-013 Casa Bella Subdivision by
Providence Properties, LLC Located 5555 N. Locust Grove
Road Request: Rezone of 5.44 Acres of Land from the L-O to
the R-8 Zoning District Recommend Approval to City Council
G. Public Hearing: PP 13-032 Casa Bella Subdivision by
Providence Properties, LLC Located 5555 N. Locust Grove
Road Request: Preliminary Plat Approval Consisting of
Twenty-One (21) Residential Building Lots, One (1) Church Lot
and Four (4) Common/Other Lots on 14.69 Acres of Land in the
L-O and Proposed R-8 Zoning Districts Recommend Approval
to City Council
H. Public Hearing: PP 13-031 Knighthill Center by Mason and
Stanfield Inc. Located Southwest Corner of N. Linder Road and
W. Chinden Boulevard Request: Preliminary Plat Approval of
Five (5) Commercial Lots and One (1) Common Lot on
Approximately 9.11 Acres in the C-G Zoning District
Recommend Approval to City Council
Meeting adjourned at 8:15 p.m.
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Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission November 21, 2013
Meeting of the Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission of November 21, 2013, was
called to order at 6:00 p.m. by Chairman Steven Yearsley.
Present: Commissioner Steven Yearsley, Commissioner Joe Marshall, Commissioner
Michael Rohm, Commissioner Scott Freeman and Commissioner Macy Miller.
Others Present: Holly Brinkley, Ted Baird, Justin Lucas, Sonya Wafters, Bill Parsons,
and Dean Willis.
Item 1: Roll-Call Attendance:
Roll-call
X Scott Freeman X Macy Miller
X Michael Rohm X Joe Marshall
X Steven Yearsley -Chairman
Yearsley: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. At this time we would like to call to
order the regularly scheduled meeting of the Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission
for November 21st, 2013. Let's begin with roll call.
Item 2: Adoption of the Agenda
Yearsley: Thank you. The next item on the agenda is the adoption of the agenda. We
do have a little change. Items A and B, the continued public hearing from November
7th, 2013, of AZ 13-015 and PP 13-030, Timber -- TM Creek, has been requested to
continue to December 5th, 2013. With that modification I would entertain a motion to
adopt the agenda as amended.
Miller: So moved.
Marshall: Second.
Yearsley: I have a motion and a second to adopt the agenda as amended. All in favor
say aye. Opposed? Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Item 3: Consent Agenda
A. Approve Minutes of November 7, 2013 Planning and Zoning
Commission Meeting
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Yearsley: Next item on the agenda is the. Consent Agenda. The only item that we have
there is the approval of the minutes of the November 7th, 2013, Planning and Zoning
Commission meeting. Is there any comments from that or -- with that I would make --
entertain amotion to approve the Consent Agenda.
Marshall: So moved.
Miller: Second.
Yearsley: I have a motion and a second to approve the Consent Agenda. All in favor
say aye. Opposed? Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Item 4: Action Items
A. Continued Public Hearing from November 7, 2013: AZ 13-015
TM Creek by SCS Brighton, LLC Located Southeast Corner of
W. Franklin Road and S. Ten Mile Road Request: Annexation
and Zoning of 45.34 Acres of Land with C-G (34.82 acres), R-40
(3.94 Acres) and TN-C (5.58 Acres) Zoning Districts
B. Continued Public Hearing from November 7, 2013: PP 13-030
TM Creek by SCS Brighton, LLC Located Southeast Corner of
W. Franklin Road and S. Ten Mile Road Request: Preliminary
Plat Approval Consisting of Forty-Nine (49) Building Lots and
Three (3) Common/Other Lots on 41.03 Acres of Land in the
Proposed C-G, R-40 and TN-C Zoning Districts
Yearsley: For the next two items we were going to open those solely for the sole
purpose of continuing them to April -- or not April -- December 5th. So, I'm going to
open the continued public hearing from November 7th, 2013, of AZ 13-015 and PP 13-
030, of TM Creek by Brighton Corp -- SCS Brighton, LLC, for the sole purpose of
continuing it to December 5th, 2013. Can I get a motion to continue that?
Rohm: So moved.
Marshall: Second.
Yearsley: 1 have a motion and a second to continue the public hearing of AZ 13-015
and PP 13-030. All in favor say aye. Opposed? Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Yearsley: So, before we start further I'd like to kind of explain how this process is going
to go. The next items -- we are going to open up each one of these one by one. We
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are going to start off with the staff report. The staff is going to describe a project and
how it adheres to our Comprehensive Plan, Uniform Development Code, with staff
recommendations. After they are done the applicant will have an opportunity to come
forward to state their case for approval and respond to any staff comments. The
applicant will have up to 15 minutes to do so. After the applicant has had a chance to
come forward we will open it to public testimony. There is a sign-up sheet in the back.
Anyone wishing to testify can sign up. Any person testifying will come forward and be
allowed three minutes to testify. If they are speaking for a larger group, like an HOA,
and there is a show of hands to represent that group, they will be given up to ten
minutes. After the testimony has been heard the applicant will have an opportunity to
respond if they desire for another ten minutes and, then, we will close the public hearing
and the Commission will have an opportunity to discuss and deliberate and hopefully
make a recommendation to the City Council.
C. Public Hearing: CUP 13-013 Cole Valley Christian School
Auxiliary Field by Cole Valley Christian School Located 1108
NE 2 1/2 Street Request: Conditional Use Permit Approval for
the Expansion of a Private Education Institution for an
Auxiliary Field in an R-15 Zoning District
Yearsley: So, with that I would like to open the public hearing on CUP 13-013, Cole
Valley Christian School Auxiliary Field and let's begin with the staff report.
Wafters: Thank you, Chairman Yearsley, Members of the Commission. The first
application before you tonight is a request for conditional use permit. This site consists
of four and a half acres of land. It's currently zoned R-15 and is located at the northeast
corner of Northeast 2 1/2 Street and East Carlton Avenue at 1108 Northeast 2 1/2
Street. Adjacent land use and zoning. To the north are residential properties, zoned R-
15. To the south are also residential properties, zoned R-15 and O-T. To the east are
residential properties, zoned R-8. And to the west is a private education institution,
Cole Valley Christian School that this site is associated with, zoned L-O and a church
zoned R-15. The conditional use permit request is to expand the existing private
education institution use to include an auxiliary field and the adjacent property to the
east. The existing school property is zoned L-O and the property proposed to be used
as an auxiliary field is zoned R-15. A conditional use permit is required to expand the
existing use in the R-15 zoning district. The auxiliary field is proposed to provide green
space for science, physical education, and general instruction, a community space for
advisory classes and meeting space for existing campus population and an athletic field
for physical education classes, cardio training, football practices and non-varsity home
football games. The proposed use will not increase the existing population of the
campus and there will not be any lighting installed on the field, nor bleachers or any
structures of any sort. Currently students are shuttled to Settlers Park and Storey Park
for PE, football practice, and non-varsity home football games. Approval of the subject
request will enable students to remain on school property for these activities. The
comprehensive future land use map designation for this property is Old Town. Written
testimony was received from the applicant Matt Beglinger in response to the staff report.
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He is in agreement and staff is recommending approval with conditions. Staff will stand
for any questions the Commission may have.
Yearsley: Are there any questions?
Marshall: Mr. Chair, I do.
Yearsley: Commissioner Marshall.
Marshall: Sonya, can I ask you -- under -- in the staff report under Public Works is PI
required. Is pressure irrigation required hasn't been answered.
Wafters: I do not have Public Works here tonight. Let me double-check on that. PI is a
standard requirement. However, there is not a lot of development going on on this site,
so --
Marshall: But I believe the pressurized irrigation -- the idea is that they are not using the
city tap water to irrigate.
Wafters: Yeah. The applicant can maybe be able to answer that a little quicker than
me, but --
Marshall: Any other questions? With that would the applicant like to come forward.
Please state your name and address for the record.
Beglinger: My name is Matt Beglinger. I'm the athletic facilities director for Cole Valley
Christian, 200 East Carlton, Meridian, and I don't have a lot of comments. We are in
agreement with the staff report. As far as the irrigation goes, we are working with the
local ditch rider on using that -- the irrigation system. It would be -- it wouldn't be tied
into the city, however. But we -- we don't have a lot of comment, other than we
appreciate a great relationship with the city and we simply have zero grass on this
campus, so when the potential to acquire this property came up we were pretty excited
and a question that does come up a lot is what types of events we would host and we
would not host anything varsity, anything requiring PA or lights. We would like to host
junior high and JV, which is simply what I call lawn chair football games where families
will bring something to sit in and we will be done before dark and so would not increase
any traffic -- there wouldn't be anymore people at our site than typically come for a
varsity basketball game or something like that.
Yearsley: All right. Thank you. Is there any questions of the applicant? All right.
Thank you.
Beglinger: Thank you.
Yearsley: We are going to wait a few minutes so we can get the sign-up sheet, so if
anyone wants to testify. Thank you. I have a Joshua Everetts. Okay. A John
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Mascroft. Would you like to come forward or -- please come forward. State your name
and address for the record, please.
Mascroft: My name is John Mascroft. I am the pastor of the Apostolic Bible Church at
1153 2 1/2 Street, Meridian, right next to Cole Valley. We are actually sandwiched right
in between them. The property that the football field would be is straight across the
street from our church that we reside at there. Our concern is -- number one is parking.
Many -- there will betimes that the gym will be going on, there will also be games going
across the street. There is times that during our services that we do not even have
adequate parking for our people to park at our regular times or functions that come
along. I know that going down -- I believe it's on the north side of -- north side of the
property I believe there is signs that allow no parking. Carlton has very limited space on
the road for -- even though they did allow for parking, but my concern, basically, is in
regards to the parking. The parking needs to be addressed. We do not have -- as we
have between ourselves is a verbal agreement. There is nothing written, recorded, at
the county recorder. We worked together -- tried to work together, but the more
complicated it gets when we don't have the parking for our meeting, would mean, you
know, pursue other avenues for just whatever. Okay.
Yearsley: Thank you.
Rohm: I have a question of you, sir.
Mascroft: Yes.
Rohm: When is it that you have your services or when is parking an issue for you folks?
Mascroft: Normally Tuesdays, Thursdays, Sundays.
Rohm: That's pretty broad. Can you narrow that down?
Mascroft: On Tuesdays we will come in anywhere from 6:30 to 9:00. Okay?
Rohm: In the evening or --
Mascroft: In the evening. Yes.
Rohm: Okay.
Mascroft: Thursdays the same thing. On Sundays we are there -- people are there
pretty well much almost all day, but the biggest part would be in the morning from 9:00
o'clock to 12:00 and, then, back in the evening also from about, oh, 5:00 o'clock until
about 8:00, 8:30 that night.
Rohm: Thank you.
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Yearsley: All right. Thank you. Next on the list is Abram Draper. Would you like to
come forward? Okay. Christina Pearson. Would you like to come forward? Okay.
Then I have Matt Beglinger. Okay. Is there anybody else that would like to come forth
and testify? With that would you -- would the applicant like to come forth and respond
to the comments?
Beglinger: Sure. Do I respond to you or --
Yearsley: Well, you're responding to me, but addressing the --
Beglinger: Like he said, I will admit trying to coordinate everything with the parking can
be tough. I think we have had a continual dialogue on how we can do a better job of
helping our folks stay out of their parking lot, especially on Tuesday and Thursday night
and what's hard for us is we have visitors coming from New Plymouth or where ever
and they drive right passed our signs and go park in the spots that are right in front. So,
-- you know, my feeling is that's something we need to continue to work together on
and if we need to get something in writing we can. I think in regards to the field,
typically this time of year is -- you know, most of our JV games are going to start at
4:30, as it starts to get darker earlier. Our junior high starts at 4:15. While our parking
problem won't go away with our other events that we need to keep working on, I don't
know if the field events are going to add any additional strain that isn't already there,
because I think they will be wrapping up by 6:00, 6:30 and I guess that would be my
response to that. As far as volume of people it certainly won't come close to a varsity
basketball game and things like that and we are also very open in working with the city
on -- I know some of the residents mentioned places where our people will park when it
gets full, they will go down the street, they will double -- go on both sides of Carlton on
the skinny part there by the field. We very much want to work with the city on how can
we help enforce that, do we need to put signs, do we need to put some gravel into the --
into the lot where we designate that as parking on the field side, rather than the
residential side. You know, we are desperate for basically some -- we are happy to
work with who we need to work with to make it work.
Yearsley: Are there any questions of the applicant? Thank you.
Beglinger: You're welcome.
Yearsley: At this time I would entertain a motion to close the public hearing on CUP 13-
013 on Cole Valley Christian School Auxiliary Field.
Rohm: So moved.
Miller: Second.
Yearsley: I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing. All in favor say
aye. Opposed? Motion carries.
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MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Rohm: I have a comment, sir.
Yearsley: Commissioner Rohm.
Rohm: You know, downtown Meridian has parking issues from one end to the other
and this I don't believe is going to add to that parking issue, it's just -- it's just a part of it
and the fact that the school wants to enhance their ability to have athletics as part of
their regular campus, I think brings value to the city and for the most part most of those
activities are going to -- going to be outside of the times that the adjacent facility needs
that same parking. So, from my perspective the parking issue is outside of the scope of
this application. End of comment.
Yearsley: Any other comments?
Marshall: You know, I'm not fully in agreement that's outside the scope of the
application, I think it's something we do need to consider. But at the same time, yeah,
want to see this go through. I really do. And I -- right now we are busing students
across town, which I think is significantly more dangerous than crossing 2 1/2 Street.
It's also a waste of resources and things like that when they could have this right there.
am concerned about parking, though, and I really appreciate the two parties involved
here working together. I really appreciate that. It will become more complicated if this
goes through and I really appreciate the fact that the school would be willing to even put
something in writing, but, you know, I don't know what you could agree to there. It's
more help out and make sure that everybody is aware of the fact that you're not to park
in their parking lot and even visiting teams or whoever is not to park in their parking lot.
can see where that would be quite a concern. At the same time is it a heavy enough
concern to outweigh the value here. To be honest, I don't think so. And if your parking
is private, yes, you can have people towed and then -- so, I would strongly consider
trying to get out some type of identification somehow and work together on this,
because to me I'm for it, I think it adds a lot of value, but it does complicate things and it
is -- it can be concerning and I am sorry for that, but the value I think far outweighs it.
That's my thoughts.
Yearsley: Thank you. Any of other comments?
Miller: Mr. Chair, I have a couple.
Yearsley: Commissioner Miller.
Miller: I back up what Commissioner Marshall said for the most part. I think there is a
unique opportunity for a symbiotic relationship between the parking of the two areas. It
sounds like the times given at least there is some ebb and flow that maybe one is
occupied and the other is not and maybe you could share. I also appreciate the
willingness of both parties to work together. When you're in a downtown core parking is
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always an issue. From the sounds of things they meet all the requirements of -- of our
city's codes. I'm in favor of the project for the same reasons, I think it's a lot safer to
have something right there for the kids than to bus them. I just hope you guys can work
together to find a solution. It sounds like both parties are willing to try that.
Freeman: Mr. Chair, I don't think I have anything to add to the discussion.
Yearsley: Okay. With that I would entertain a motion.
Rohm: Mr. Chairman?
Yearsley: Commissioner Rohm.
Rohm: After considering all staff, applicant, and public testimony, I move to approve file
number CUP 13-013 as presented in the staff report for the hearing date of November
21st, 2013, with no modifications.
Miller: Second.
Yearsley: I have a motion and a second to approve the public hearing of CUP 13-013
of Cole Valley Christian School Auxiliary Field. All in favor say aye. Opposed? Motion
carries. Thank you.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
D. Public Hearing: AZ 13-016 Southern Highlands Subdivision by
BHH Investments I, LLC Located South Side of E. Amity Road
West of S. Eagle Road and North of E. Taconic Drive Request:
Annexation and Zoning of 124.04 Acres of Land with an R-4
Zoning District
E. Public Hearing: PP 13-033 Southern Highlands Subdivision by
BHH Investments I, LLC Located South Side of E. Amity Road
West of S. Eagle Road and North of E. Taconic Drive Request:
Preliminary Plat Approval Consisting of 162 Residential
Building Lots, Twelve (12) Common Lots, One (1) City Park Lot
and One (1) Lot for Future Resubdivision on 123.45 Acres of
Land in an R-4 Zoning District
Yearsley: Next item on the agenda is the public hearing of AZ 13-016 and PP 13-033,
Southern Highland Hills -- or excuse me -- Southern Highland Subdivision by BHH
Investments. Can we begin with the staff report.
Wafters: Thank you, Chairman Yearsley, Commissioners. The next applications before
you are a request for annexation and zoning and preliminary plat. This site consists of
123.45 acres of land. It's currently zoned RUT in Ada County and is located south of
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East Amity Road on the west side of South Eagle Road and the north side of East
Takonic Drive. Adjacent land use and zoning. To the north are rural residential
properties, zoned R-4 in the city and R-1 and RUT in Ada County. To the east are rural
residential properties, zoned RUT in Ada County and Eagle Road. To the south is
vacant undeveloped property, zoned RUT in Ada County and residential properties
zoned RUT in Ada County. And to the west are residential properties zoned RUT in
Ada County. A little history on this property. In 2006 the property was platted as Lot 16
and 24, Block 1, of Black Rock Subdivision in Ada County. Black Rock Subdivision was
developed in 2006 under the Ada County Nonfarm ordinance with half acre minimum lot
sizes. The applicant is proposing to annex and zone 126.27 acres of land with an R-4
zoning district. The property is contiguous to land that has been annexed into the city
and is within the area of city impact boundary. The preliminary plat is also proposed to
resubdivide existing Lot 16 and 24, Block 1, Black Rock Subdivision into 162 single
family residential building lots, 12 common area lots, one lot for a city park and one 45
acre lot for future redevelopment -- resubdivision for single family homes on 123.45
acres of land in an R-4 zoning district. As you see here it's broken into two portions.
This eastern 45 acre portion is proposed for resubdivision in the future and, then, the 78
-- 79 acre portion of the site is shown here on the west. There are a couple of lots that
need to be revised to comply with the minimum street frontage requirements of 60 feet
and Block 3, which is a block that runs along the toe of the slope here from Black Rock
Subdivision exceeds the maximum block length allowed by the UDC. Staff is
recommending that the plat be revised prior to Council to comply with the block length
standards. The maxim growth density of the overall development will be 2.23 dwelling
units per acre. The gross density of the western 79 acre portion of the site will be 2.05
dwelling units per acre, which is consistent with the future land use map designation of
low density residential, which is three units or less per acre for this property. This is the
phasing plan showing how the property is proposed to develop. The applicant did
submit a conceptual development plan for the eastern 45 acre portion of the site that
depicts the easements and right of way for possible future street layout. The applicant
is proposing to dedicate a 3.6 acre portion of the eventual seven acre neighborhood
park to the city as anticipated on the future land use map for this area prior to issuance
of the 120th building permit for this site and that is this lot you see right here. The
remainder of the park site is anticipated to develop with the property to the east as
shown here on the plat. A total of 12.16 acres or 15.4 percent of qualified open space is
proposed, consisting of a 3.6 acre city park, a two acre private park, pathways, other
common areas, street buffers and parkways and site amenities consisting of an
additional five percent of open space over the required amount. Pathway, swimming
pool, clubhouse, playground and picnic shelter is proposed for the western portion of
the development in accord with UDC requirements. Access is proposed on the plat
from South Eagle Road via East Takonic Street. Stub streets are proposed to the north
and east for future extension and interconnectivity. Staff also recommends Graphite
Way, which you see here at the north -- excuse me -- the west corner of the site is
extended as a stub street to the west. At this time only a single point of access is
available to this subdivision. Because there are already 44 lots, approximately 30 of
which are built out in Black Rock Subdivision with a single point of access off of Takonic
Drive, a secondary emergency access is needed at the point when the combined
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number of homes in Black Rock Subdivision and Southern Highland Subdivision
reached 50 homes. The secondary access may be temporary until such time as a
permanent secondary access is available. I know the applicant is working -- I'm not
sure if they have an agreement yet, but they are working with the property owner to the
north to gain that access through Whitebark. Water and sewer service to this
development is contingent upon the developer extending a water main and a temporary
sewer main into this development from the future Whitebark Subdivision to the north. I
will just flip back here. That is the yellow parcel right here. A minimum 20 foot -- 25 foot
wide landscape street buffer is required along Eagle Road, an arterial street. A 30 foot
wide buffer already exists along Takonic Drive, a collector street. A ten foot wide
pathway is proposed along the east side of the property adjacent to Ten Mile Creek and
Eagle Road in accord with the master pathways plan. The UDC requires a five foot
wide detached sidewalk to be constructed along Takonic. The applicant is requesting a
waiver to this sidewalk requirement due to the mature landscaping that they say would
need to be removed to accommodate a sidewalk. Because the UDC does not allow for
a waiver or alternative compliance, nor the variance appropriate in this situation, staff is
recommending the buffer area be widened an additional five feet to accommodate the
sidewalk if necessary. There are several irrigation ditches that traverse this site that are
required to be piped with development of the site. The Ten Mile Creek runs along the
northeast corner as you see here. That is required to remain open as a natural
waterway. A portion of the site lies within the Meridian flood plain overlay district. Prior
to any development a flood plain permit is required. The southwest boundary of the site
lies at the bottom of a significant slope where the homes above sit on a ridge
approximately 20 to 40 feet above the proposed subdivision. The plat depicts a 40 foot
wide slop easement on the rear of the lots in this area and you can see that right along
here. The slope area is proposed to be owned and maintained by individual
homeowners and will be landscaped and maintained in a consistent manner and this
will be taken care of through the CC&Rs. Conceptual building elevations have been
submitted as shown for future homes within the development. Because future
structures on lots that back up to or face South Eagle Road and East Takonic Drive will
be highly visible from these major thoroughfares, staff is recommending the rear or
sides of structures on these lots incorporate articulation through changes in materials,
color, modulation, and architectural elements, horizontal and vertical, to break up
monotonous wall plains and roof lines. The Comprehensive Plan future land use map
designation for this site is low density residential with a public park site designated.
Written testimony has been received from Matt Schultz, the applicant's representative.
Their response to the staff report requests the following modifications. You should
have a copy of the applicant's response there in your packet. The first request is a
modification of Development Agreement Provision 1.1, the first bullet, to be modified to
reflect the acreage of the park at 3.6 acres, instead of three point -- or excuse me.
Instead of seven as shown on the plat and including in the responsibilities for
improvements to the park. Because the terms of the dedication of the park site are still
under negotiations staff does not recommend including the terms requested by
applicant. However, staff does recommend the provision modified as follows: The
developer of the western 79 acre portion of the site shall dedicate a minimum of a 3.60
acre park as shown on the preliminary plat to the city prior to issuance of the 120th
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building permit for the western portion of the site. Staff also recommends a new
condition be added to insure dedication of the remainder of the park site shown on the
preliminary plat as follows: The developer of the eastern 45 acre portion of the site shall
dedicate a minimum 3.4 acre park to the city prior to signature on the first final plat on
the eastern portion of the development by the city engineer. In regard to the request for
a deletion of DA provision 1.1.1, third and fourth bullet, they want this deleted because
they feel that the applicant -- or, excuse me, the pedestrian easement for the multi-use
pathway and the street buffer along Eagle should be completed with development of the
eastern 45 acre portion of the site, not with the first phase final plat of the western 79
acre portion. Because the western portion of the site is over 1,600 feet away from
Eagle Road, staff is amenable to the applicant's request that they not be required to
complete this with the first phase final plat for the western portion of the site, but does
recommend that the provisions are modified to require the easement and street buffer to
be completed with the first phase of development on the eastern portion of the site. The
next request is, again, to DA provision 1.1.1. The DA only applies to -- they only want
the DA to apply to the 79 acre portion of the site to be purchased by the applicant, not
the eastern portion, which they do not have under contract. Because the eastern
portion of the site is proposed to be annexed and platted with the application and there
are development provisions that also apply to the eastern portion, staff is not
recommending the eastern portion be removed from the DA. And, lastly, the applicant
requests a Whitebark temporary sanitary sewer plan, which is included in Exhibit A-6 be
modified to include the entire western 79 acres of the site in lieu of the area south of
Takonic Drive and that condition number 2.1.1 is clarified that the allocation of 162
sewer permits will be vested to the 79 acre portion for 162 lots upon preliminary plat
approval. Public Works is looking into the applicant's request on this and did have a
answer for the Commission at this time. Staff is recommending approval of the subject
annexation and zoning and preliminary plat request with a development agreement per
the provisions in Exhibit B and the revisions agreed upon by staff in response to the
applicant's letter as previously stated. Staff will stand for any questions the Commission
may have.
Yearsley: Are there any questions?
Marshall: Mr. Chair?
Yearsley: Commissioner Marshall.
Marshall: Sonya, I'm sorry, I wish Public Works was here. In lieu of recent events I was
really questioning the temporary sewer. What all is that about? Why temporary? Why
don't we have something permanent?
Wafters: Chairman, Commissioner Marshall, I, too, wish Public Works was here tonight.
I know that they don't have the availability to sewer it permanently at this point. That's
about all I know. The applicant can probably enlighten you a little further on that.
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Marshall: All right. I appreciate that. There was one other -- you have answered -- you
did answer my question on the access. Okay. Thank you.
Yearsley: Any other questions? Would the applicant like to come forward? Please
state your name and address for the record.
Schultz: Good evening, Commissioners. My name is Matt Schultz. 8421 South Ten
Mile, Meridian, here on behalf of the BHH Investments I, LLC. BHH Investments I is an
acquisition arm of Boise Hunter Homes and we are excited to present what we feel is a
high end subdivision in a place that demands a high end subdivision anyways and it
kind of meets our -- Boise Hunter Homes' market niche that -- that he goes after the
second and third time buyer, building those homes, you know, 350 to 600 thousand and
build higher than that, too, but that's generally what he builds and he's currently building
in the -- we are building in Kingsbridge in south Meridian in the back half of phase three
and North Eagle, Henry's Fork, out in Harris Ranch and up in Rolling Hills by Hidden
Springs and these are projects that have been done, houses have been built -- the
pictures are houses that have been built, not some artist conception of what we might
build or -- and they still are -- maybe, because there is lots of different varieties, but
that's indicative of -- of the styles and types -- and there is a lot more styles and types,
but that's just some of the homes that Boise Hunter Homes has built. We are here on
behalf of an annexation request, to start, for 124 acres. Our primary focus is on 79
acres on the west side. That's the parcel that is to be acquired very shortly if all goes
well and we can move ahead. Because it is one legal parcel of niche acres we are
required to annex the whole thing. It's not our choice. We really don't want to
complicate our -- our focus over the next few years with what may happen on the other
side. That's why you're hearing a little bit of east and west side distinctions going on.
don't think it's a negative, I think it's a positive, and some of the DA provisions will
ultimately get worked out at City Council. We would welcome your comments on that,
but -- but at the end of the day it's the DA that's moving forward through the City Council
process as well when we get there. We do agree with staffs recommendation for
approval. As she said, we did have some comments on the staff report that were given
to the city clerk earlier in the week. You got a copy tonight. That's our official response
to those comments. Before I dive into those I'd like to just kind of give you a quick
overview of the project, kind of touch on some of the things Sonya said and go into a
little bit more detail if I may and, then, we will address some more comments. Like she
said, it's an -- it's an area of town that designated low density residential on your
Comprehensive Plan from the impact area, lost density residential, that essentially
translates to either an R-4 or an R-2 zone. Those are the two choices for residential
zoning in a low density zone. R-4 is a really great designation for -- for a lot of -- what
has been known as bare lots in Meridian all over the place. Again, it's low density. On
our 79 acre side of things we like a larger size of lot. We like 85 foot wide, 90 foot wide
by 150 foot deep lot and that's what we want to do. That happens to be -- if you will
notice an R-2 density over here in the 79 acre side of things. That's what we want to
do. It happens to be very compatible with the neighbors to the south. We have lots that
range in the half acre range right up abutting Black Rock, as a transition, but, then, we
go down to a 12,000 square foot minimum. Our average is 16,000, which is -- I don't
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know of any site of this size that's done something this -- low density with this average
lot size in Meridian. There may be something up above Chinden on the rim, maybe.
But really and truly I have been doing this for 13 years in Meridian and presenting a lot
of applications and this is the lowest density subdivision I have ever presented for
annexation in Meridian and what we -- it's asub -- it's the size that we like. It's what we
want to do as our market niche and it happens to be well within the low density. It's a
two, low density, which means a maximum of three. We are well within that. So, we
are willing to enter into a DA even to say, hey, we are okay with -- with 12,000 square
foot minimum lots. We are okay with 160 lots or 162 lots on 79 acres. We are okay to
lock that in, so it hasn't change and we will move forward. We are okay with that and
even okay with a 2,000 square foot home, even though we will probably be doing
three's and plus two is a good number, because in an R-4 it's a minimum of 1,400 per
code and we are willing to bump that up just to make people feel good in the area that
we are not going to devalue everybody's property values up on the rim. We are very
aware of that. We had a very good neighborhood meeting with the neighbors showing
them here is what we build. We are the best people to maintain your property values.
We are going to have a good horizontal, as well as vertical separation. We are here to
keep the neighborhood nice and that's what we want to do. So, with that we think we
have got a very low density, well fitting subdivision for the area with good transitional lot
size and something that's compatible with what's already out there and it's imminently
annexable. It's touching -- touching the city already. There is actually a city well lot out
here, right by where the park is there is a city lift station lot that staff asked us to include
in our annexation. That's two of our 162 lots. You know, we are annexing the city's --
for whatever reason. There is a bit of history to it and that's not my point tonight, but
there is a -- they are out there. So, the fact that they are using city services, we are
connecting to them, tells us this is about as annexable as you can get in terms of being
ready to be annexed and to bring those lots back within the city fold and clean things up
from that respect. Our sewer service does come from -- in fact, it addressed Mr.
Marshall's question about what's with the deal about temporary sewer. It's temporary.
What it is it's a -- what there is -- there is a trunk line that's ultimately supposed to serve
this whole south end of the valley. That trunk line is about a quarter mile north of Amity
right now. It has to go through at least one, maybe two properties -- who knows when it
will get pulled. There is some sewer games going on. We don't want to be a part of it.
What we worked out with staff -- and it not only serves ours, but another parcel that's
just north of us, including Whitebark and including properties to the west of
Whitebark, that they can serve off of the Estoncia sewer line with an eight inch line.
There is enough capacity to serve this in perpetuity until which time any other
development would be need to bring a trunk line -- and I'm pointing to the -- right
through here and that's why we have two roads coming from the north through
Whitebark, because one side will have an eight inch line, the other side will have the
trunk line and it's proven, it works, staffs bought off on it. We just want to lock in the
fact if we go pull a mile sewer to take out this lift station, which we will do with out first
stage, that we have a commitment that we can use 162 or ish services. We don't want
to get caught not being able to have that commitment. So, that was the point of our
clarification was -- and we have said it verbally, we just want it in writing that, yes, you
can be invested with this 162. So, we just want to get that on the record. Water service
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the same thing. Water service will come through Whitebark. We have an easement
already negotiated. It's already done. This is not some maybe, this is a done deal, and
the sewer, the water and the secondary access for emergency vehicles easement, we
have got that handled. We have got that worked out with that owner. So, we feel like
we have covered all of our contingencies on the services issue. We have got a well lot.
We have got a secondary connection we are going to have to do with our first phase.
We are going to have to do a secondary service connection with our first phase on our
access condition to handle that. So, we are fully prepared to do that with our first
phase, which will be up on Takonic. We feel that that's agood -- was a good entry drive
in there. It's beautiful back in there and that's going to be the focus of our first phase.
Where the city pump station lot is we are going to take that out and develop those lots.
Probably at least some of the lots along the rim -- or below the rim and get all of them
with our first phase. I have shown two phases. Those two might go in one. We will
see. That's why I said subject to change on the bottom. That's kind of a conceptual
phasing plan, so you can kind of see our thinking at least, what we are thinking. As far
as parks and open space, we have a -- we have substantial open space on this project.
When we first submitted the project we knew we had to have ten percent, which on 80
acres, you know, at least eight acres of open space and we had a central park of about
six, seven acres with lots backing up to it, kind of nice, big open space, we are prepared
to do that, and, then, we went and met with the city parks department and, no, we need
a neighborhood park. Well, a neighborhood park isn't just our neighborhood park, it's a
park that's defined as seven acres that serves the whole square mile of this whole
section, it's just not -- for the 79 acres -- it's not our neighborhood park it's the city's
neighborhood -- what the city defines their neighborhood park to be. That's a
designation that they are using, versus a regional park or a community park or whatever
other designations they have. So, we broke it up. The parks -- based on experience no
lots need to back up to it or want to back up to it, so as you notice there is a road
around the perimeter, that's a specific design that's very -- it's very generous in terms of
we would rather put lots on our roads that we build, but, hey, we will leave this part open
and our private amenity, which will be a pool and a pool house and a playground and a
little gazebo and whatever in our area, needs to be separate and distinct. They don't
want residents comingling private and public parks, so we have a two acre private park
that -- that we are going to do for our -- for our residents with a pool that we are offering
to be used to the Black Rock residents that are up there for just a nominal pro rated cost
of service for us to maintain it, which I thought was a nice gesture by Boise Hun#er
Homes. A nice community pool similar to what we are doing up in Eagle right now and
so we want it to be part of the community. Other residents came to our neighborhood
meeting and most of them checked the box and said, yes, we would -- we would like
that. You know. We would like to participate in that. And we thought that was a nice
gesture. So, our open space is up over 15 percent without our half of a -- or our portion
or our contribution to the city park we are still over ten percent. You can see the park --
the park strips the interconnected -- there is pathways looping through here. There is
ample open space on this, even without the half of the park or our three and a half acre
park. So, really, when it comes to the park, where we are at is we have been talking
with the city Parks Department and had some very cordial discussions about how is --
how are we going to do this and, essentially, where we are at is where we are at in the
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-- the letter that was submitted is we will donate to the city -- here you go, we are not
going to even get it in our open space calcs. Here is the park. We will build the road
around it. We will build -- we will green it up. We will build it halfway along the edge of
it. We will build the trees on the edge of it and the city can come in later and, then,
improve it with a restroom or whatever public amenities they -- they build with impact
fees. So, this is not a burden on the taxpayers, this is fully funded through either
developer contribution or impact fees. Park impact fees that total 1,300 dollars plus a
lot. Just our 162 lots alone is over 220,000 dollars in impact fees. If you look at just the
area north and south, 175 acres and so there is 600,000 dollars in impact fees are
generated by conservative estimates. As you go out to the square mile who knows.
So, you get my point. There is plenty of -- and we are donating the land. I mean that's
-- and building a half street improvement. So, we feel like it's a good gift and Mr.
Siddoway has said, yes, we appreciate it. Thank you. But we'd like seven. Well, we
really can't afford seven. We are paying retail values for land. This is not distressed
property, this is top -- top market land and to do what we are doing -- anything -- as a
gift and he said, yes, you're right, it is and we are moving forward to Council with that
and hope we get your support and we will just kind of go from there. So, as far as
special features, I don't know if it's important to show a little diagram or not, but if I could
-- this little diagram is kind of showing -- you know, illustrating the slope between our --
the existing Black Rock Subdivision and ours. That actual slope isn't there today. It
actually varies. The houses on the hill are probably 40 feet above our lowest elevation
and we are going to go in and move a whole lot of dirt to actually engineer and tier that
little slope down between blocks. It's one of the reasons for our long block length that
Sonya pointed out doesn't meet code. We want to work with staff on figuring out a way
to either break up the block length and put an island in the middle to break it up or
something of that configuration really works or just stepping that -- that slopes down,
you know, in a proper way and we are probably looking at about 150,000 yards of dirt to
do this. I mean it's significant grading operation and it's not cheap and it's going to look
really sharp and it's going to get everybody there the desired elevations differences of
views and things like that that they want out there. So, we have done the preliminary
engineering. We know what we are. getting into and we are committing to at least --
guess the application was 18 to 25 foot grade differential between -- between Black
Rock and our lot elevation there. It's something that we can support and we do have full
lots up on the hill. If you can flash back, Sonya, to the overall -- this area right here,
there is four lots that are actually -- you can see kind of part of -- they look like they are
part of Black Rock. It's an extension of what they had and for whatever reason it wasn't
done back in the day and I don't know if it was a lot count thing with the county or
something, but -- and those are the same size or larger than what's up in Black Rock,
there is a couple acre lots there and a couple half acre lots on the cul-de-sac that we
are proposing and Sonya mentioned a stub street out to the west there, so -- so we are
integrating with staffs conditions, except what we -- what we presented. We will leave
some time for rebuttal if there is needed any from -- after other comments and I noticed
I got beeped, so I will wrap up and say that we ask for your recommendation for
approval to City Council and we appreciate your support. Thank you.
Yearsley: Thank you.
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Wafters: Matt, can I get a copy of that elevation you showed, please? Thank you.
Yearsley: I have a couple of people signed up for this. Martin -- is it Fabricius? Would
you like to come forward and testify? Please state your name and address for the
record.
Fabricius: My name is Martin Fabricius and I reside at --
Yearsley: Can you speak into the microphone.
Fabricius: -- 1800 Susan Drive, Meridian. I'm an adjoining property owner to this
proposed development on the extreme northwestern corner and if you will note on my
sign-up sheet, I said I was neutral on this particular development. This is kind of a new
thing with me on this particular property, because I have been down this road a number
of times on this property. I fought off a gravel pit, an asphalt plant, and a very
undesirable subdivision the last go around. I am not so naive to know that when you
subdivide next to a rural area -- and I only have five acres there, so it's very minimal, my
contact with this. But you do have problems. Again, I have been down this road,
because I have lived in and around Meridian for 50 years, I have had other properties of
mine subdivided, so I've had some experience with this. I think part of my concern was
already answered. I was wondering what was going to happen in a peripheral fence
around this property, because, quite frankly, I don't want a small child crawling through
my fence to go over and pet my black cow and get tangled up in an electric fence. So,
would like a solid fence between my property and this, at least four foot high. Anybody
who can jump over that they do so at their own risk I guess, but that was one of my
concerns and I think the other concern that I have had have pretty well been answered
by the gentleman that presented the plan. But there are a couple things there that I
would like to see done and the other concern I have is there is an open irrigation ditch
down the western boundary of this proposed subdivision. When it gets to my property
line it goes underneath my fence, over onto my side, and, then, when it gets to the
northern boundary it goes back through the fence to serve the property north of this
subdivision. So, what I would like to see done -- I don't know why it was ever
constructed the way it was. I do not use that ditch. It's a pain in the neck. It's always
washing out into my pasture and I would like to see that pipe line -- I'm told that that will
be placed in a pipe line, that open ditch. I would like to see that placed on the side
where the subdivision is, completely removing it from my side of the property there. So,
those are some of the issues that I had with this. Like I say, I signed up as being
neutral on this subdivision, which is a new thing for me to be neutral on a subdivision in
this area.
Yearsley: Can you hurry up or maybe just -- your time is expired, so --
Fabricius: Okay.
Yearsley: Thank you.
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Fabricius: I'm done.
Yearsley: Thank you. Then I have a Tim Foster. Would he like to come forward?
Again, please, state your name and address for the record.
Foster: My name is Tim Foster. 5805 South Graphite Way. I actually live up in the
Black Rock Subdivision. I am here today because the last subdivision, which I know a
couple of you were here on, that tried coming in here, a lot of us up there fought it,
because it wasn't right for what we needed. I just -- in my aspects of -- I was such a
proponent against that one, this subdivision, in my standpoint, is going to do us a lot of
good, it's going to help us out and I just wanted to point out that that's how I feel about
it. Right now Hunter Homes seems to be working with us very well, that makes us very
happy that they want to work with us, so -- and I know that -- t can't speak for everybody
up there, because there are some that don't agree with this subdivision, but there is a
fair amount of people that I have talked to are happy with what's going on. The main
concern that I have heard from our homeowners up there -- actual, it's nothing really so
much to do with the subdivision and the way it's going in, their main concern that they
are finding is the actual traffic that will be increasing on Eagle Road. In the past Eagle
Road has always had some issues, we just want to make sure that somehow the Ada
County Highway District is proactive on this area and we are not sure what to do yet
and I would imagine at City Council when it makes it to that point we will have a little bit
more understanding what's going to happen. But after that I'm in agreement with this
subdivision. Thank you.
Yearsley: Thank you. I don't have anybody else signed up. Is there anybody else that
would like to come forward and testify. Please come forward.
Boyle: Hi. My name is Lynn Boyle. I live at 2125 East Amity Road. My concern is that
property to the north and the west of the subdivision is horse farm, Arabians West, and
was also here for the Whitebark Subdivision meeting and Whitebark actually put into
place a six foot vinyl fence to keep kids and dogs out of the horse farm. My concern is
that my daughters have been riding there for seven years and I just want to make sure
that Arabians West remains a safe place for my children to ride. So, I didn't hear -- and
I know -- sir, I'm sorry -- the gentleman he asked about the surrounding fence and
would like that addressed, please.
Yearsley: Okay.
Boyle: Thank you.
Yearsley: Thank you. Is there anyone else? Would the applicant like to come forward.
Schultz: Thank you. Here to respond to some of the comments that were made, if
may.
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Yearsley: Just name and address again, Matt.
Schultz: Matt Schultz. 8421 South Ten Mile, Meridian. We heard from Martin -- sorry,
can't remember your last name. I believe we talked on the phone a few weeks ago.
kind of gave him a heads up on what we were doing and said, well, it's better than the
last one. So, I know there is some issues with fencing, you know, that's totally
appropriate to address as urban and rural come together, as well as irrigation. Those
are the two issues I heard him talk about and we are here to work with them on fencing.
I know we have a common lot along there and on our -- at least on our inside we are
going to have a fence. On the outside we will work with them on a fence along there --
along his property if -- if that's what is determined to do -- that solution to his problem.
I'm putting that on the record to work with him on a fence there. As far as the open
irrigation ditch, we the those ditches where they are underground. City has a code that
says you must the anything that's going to be under a 36 inch pipe, I believe, or so and
this one is definitely under that, it looks to be maybe a 24 or an 18 is our preliminary
estimates and so we were going to the it on our side of the property. I do believe it -- it
may come back and into our property down further past it, I'm not sure. We haven't
walked that line real close. But, again, we want to work with him on what's the best
solution for his -- that ditch along there washing out, we want to work with him to fix it
and if that means piping it, that's great. If it means lining something we can work with
him on that. So, we are here to be good neighbors. I always get to know my neighbors
really well before a project is done. I do handle construction management as well and
I'm here for the long haul, hopefully to see this thing all the way through. So, that's what
we do. Mr. Foster I do appreciate his support as one of the homeowners on the hill and
we do have a traffic study done by Thompson Engineers and submitted to ACHD. They
were asking as of today to re-run and analysis on the roundabout on Amity. It has no
effect on our site. We are going to do a right-hand turn lane on Eagle as it comes into
Takonic. That is a requirement along Takonic they are asking us to widen it I think like
two or three feet of pavement with a curb and, then, we have the sidewalk -- the
sidewalk along there -- issue along there. We are asking for a waiver due to the mature
-- very mature landscaping, very beautiful landscaping and if there is an alternate way to
get people down and around, there is already an existing ten foot path on the south side
of Takonic that's existing all the way out to Eagle and it's -- would it be appropriate for
me to show some pictures here while I'm addressing that? Because it's kind of a traffic
concern. Or not? I mean I have them, so -- of that berm. How many minutes do
have?
Yearsley: Ten.
Schultz: All right. I think I got time. Go to the overhead. It's not straight. There we go.
It's a little out of focus, but that's looking up towards Black Rock. You can kind of see
some mature landscaping right in front of me. A borrow ditch. Elevated road. On the
other side there is a borrow ditch. Landscaping up to a ten foot pathway and, then,
heads up into Black Rock and that's how it looks all the way down out to Eagle. It was
landscaped several years ago. The trees were big when they were put in. They have
got even bigger and if you look where our back of sidewalk would be, if -- and I went
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and measured it myself this morning just to make sure, that it would just kind of be a
couple feet away from those trees and that would be okay if it was flat out there, you
know, hey, we could put the sidewalk in a couple feet away from the trees, but it's a
pretty good slope, you go to try to put a flat sidewalk in a slope you're going to have to
cut back and maybe take out some roots and some boulders and who knows if the trees
are going to live and we would rather -- we are looking for an alternate route if we can
get people into our subdivision on our sidewalk and come back out again and use that
pathway on the other side. May not get -- it's a big .issue, it would just be a shame to
trash a great looking buffer to get the sidewalk in if there is another way to accomplish
what we are trying to accomplish, so -- so that's where we are at on -- on that issue.
Marshall: Mr. Chair, if I could, just a quick question on that.
Yearsley: Absolutely.
Marshall: I would ask what was your take on stafFs suggestion of putting the sidewalk
behind the landscaping?
Schultz: Yes. Thank you. That's definitely a good option. ACRD said, hey, why don't
you just put the sidewalk up against the curb and not leave it detached, you know, so
pull away. That's another option. We have got a third option of, hey, why even go in
and mess with that whole section that works really well for a lot of reasons. But, yes,
behind it could work as well. And so we are -- we are still working with staff on what is
the best solution and ACRD and our engineer, they have to get to their best solution,
but it really looks good out there. We hate to trash it. As far as the lady that talked
about the Arabians West parcel, we definitely want to make sure everybody is safe, we
want to do our neighborly duty to fence that if that is the best solution along there and
commit to that fencing that was discussed, not wood, vinyl -- six foot vinyl along that
property is what we would commit to to make that safe along there. That's just what we
need to do sometimes. So, that's what we will do. And I think that was it. I'm use to
talking for a whole lot longer, so I'm glad I got to --
Freeman: I will give you an opportunity, because Ihave a -- I have one additional
question.
Schultz: All right.
Freeman: Staff reacted in writing to your reaction is writing to their original statement
about the park. I wondered what you felt about their suggested compromise as far as
the park goes, the 3.6 I think would be on our 79 acres and, then, 3.4 would be on the
future 45 acres.
Schultz: Yes. Thank you, Commissioner Freeman. The city wants a seven acre park.
We -- we are -- that's what they want ultimately and I'm sure they will get it somehow,
some way. We are here to give our 3.6 acres and we are here to commit on our side of
the 79 acres to do that. We -- we are here to say we are going to do that. Our portion
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will improve it. We will do whatever makes sense for us in the city and, obviously,
everybody wants a seven acre park today if they can get it, but why go get a seven acre
park with your first ten percent build out of a whole -- on the whole section. It really is
kind of premature to get it all from -- we are not in a position to buy that property all up
front. We have some candid discussions with the city attorney and your city parks
commissioner about our limitations and they understood those and they are so
appreciative of what we are doing on our side of the fence. So, we are going to take
that position that we presented in ours to City Council and, hopefully, they will look at us
and say, yes, thank you, we will figure out how to get the other 3.4 or plus -- however
many to figure out how to get that. So, like I said, it's -- it might be a million dollar park,
all seven, before it's all said and done, between the land and the improvement costs,
it's -- it's a major deal. Three point five sounds small, but it's -- it's not.
Freeman: Thank you.
Yearsley: Are there any other questions of the applicant before -- all right. Thank you
very much.
Schultz: Thanks.
Yearsley: I would entertain a motion to close the public hearing on AZ 13-016 and PP
13-033.
Freeman: So moved.
Miller: Second.
Yearsley: I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing. All in favor say
aye. Opposed? Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Yearsley: Who would like to go first? I see there is a lot of movement and trying to
figure out what comments they want to make.
Freeman: Well, I can go first and, then, you can all compliment me with whatever
forget to talk about.
Yearsley: Commissioner Freeman.
Freeman: Overall I -- I like -- I like the subdivision. I like -- I like what you're doing.
like the transition to the Black Rock up the hill from you and I do agree that this density
that you're proposing, even though it's an R-4 per code, you're not quite -- you're not
quite meeting that and Ilike -- I like the low density that you're proposing and the homes
that you have shown, of course, they are very nice and I agree they are going to uphold
the property values certainly of the property owners around you. It will be a nice
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neighborhood. I think from what I have heard in the testimony that the concerns
regarding fences and ditches, adjacent properties, have been adequately answered.
My take on the -- the hot topics here, which are these things that the applicant is
suggesting should be modified in staff 's report, I tend to -- I like what staff did in
response. I like the compromises that you made, yet holding a line that I think needs to
be held. We do need to include this. In my opinion -- I know it's not our say -- we do
need to include the other 45 in the development agreement. I think the sidewalk is
needed and I think there are options available to you that will enable you not to destroy
that landscaping. I agree it should be left in place and, of course, if a contractor runs
over a tree he gets to replace the tree, too, but hopefully we can -- we can minimize
that. So, if I were to vote on this or make a motion, what I would do is recommend
approval. I like the subdivision. I would also go with staff's -- stafFs modified conditions
of approval, as opposed to yours and you will have your chance to talk to City Council
about the things that you really want to push for there. I think that's the end of my
comments. And, like I said, you guys can fill in where I left holes.
Yearsley: All right. Commissioner Marshall.
Marshall: I'd like to start by saying Idid -- I want to recognize on the record here that
did thoroughly read the letter by Allen and Barbara Burlock, as well as listen to the other
public testimony. I, too, think this is a very good subdivision. I like the plan. Yes, the
block lengths on that back needs to be broken up and I have seen some ideas from
staff in the past that really look like they might be able to work in this location and I have
seen -- because I had some concerns about that and had discussed them with them.
I'm against very long block lengths. They know. But -- and the fact that the easement is
going to come -- become a setback, because there is no one to have an easement
written to. But I think, yes, I really appreciate the applicant for working with everybody
around them. It appears they are trying to be a very good neighbor and I really
appreciate that and I like to see that. We have had a number of applicants more and
more these days really working hard to work with all the neighbors and I really
appreciate that when I see that. I think that's very important. Again, you're not going to
please everybody, but in my estimation this is going to be a really nice development. It
is very low density, just over two houses -- it's less than three. They are going to be big
lots. It's going to -- some nice homes from -- based on what Hunter Homes has built in
the past. It's -- I like what I see. Idid see on the --Idid read the Ada County traffic
survey report and they talked on the five year work plan that Eagle is to be widened,
although that is north of here, it will help move some of the traffic going north where it
gets even denser and I saw where the right-in, right-out was -- or the right-in lane was
required and, then, it didn't appear, too, the traffic -- the additional traffic does not
diminish the rating of any of the local intersections there. Typically the biggest concern
is the intersection and I think Ada County is very aware that those intersections are in
dire need of improvement and they are looking at those. That is also Eagle Road is
being widened coming out there. That area will fill in over time, it's just -- it's inevitable.
You look at where we were 15 years ago and where we are going to be in 15 years.
This area is going to fill in, it's just -- it's a blessing and a curse all at the same time.
mean we all want to maintain exactly what we have, but at the same time it's that growth
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that helps fuel our economy and everything else. So, I am for this and I do appreciate
staffs response that's the middle road there, trying to meet them and I like the way
everybody has tried to work together. That's --
Yearsley: Thank you.
Miller: Mr. Chair?
Yearsley: Commissioner Miller.
Miller: I'm not sure I have a whole lot of unique comments to -- but I back up what both
these gentlemen have said. I want to call attention as well to the written testimony we
have from Allen and Barbara, which I realize not everyone has seen, but this -- this is
not as much in favor of the development and so I want to address just a couple of their
concerns. One is that they want it to be an R-2 instead of an R-4, but if you look at the
density that they are suggesting it's just barely above that. I think that this is a very
unique development because of that and I think it fits the area well. There were several
questions asked which -- which make me ask the question of them what are their
suggestions to meet these. I think that this developer has done an excellent job in
opening up possibilities and preserving the history of Meridian. One of their concerns is
there is no assurances that the development of the remaining 45 acres will, you know,
not go up high density, I think in hearing the developer talk that's not what they want to
do. That's not where their market's at. So, I think that kind of mitigates that concern.
am in favor of the development. I think they have done a great job working with the
neighbors. I'm really appreciative of the -- the neighbors coming in and talking in favor
of it. That's important. We don't always see that. Yes, I'm in favor and I can't see
enough reason to go against staffs recommendations either. So, that's all I have.
Rohm: I have no additional comments.
Yearsley: I will just echo what has been said. I think it's a good development and I do
agree that it is a good location for where it's at, so with that I will stand for a motion.
Freeman: Mr. Chair?
Yearsley: Commissioner Freeman.
Freeman: After considering all staff, applicant and public testimony, I move to
recommend approval to City Council of file numbers AZ 13-016 and PP 13-033 as
presented in the staff report for the hearing date of November 21st, 2013, with the
following modifications: That the requirements in 1.1 and 1.1.1 be amended per the
written revisions proposed by staff during this meeting.
Marshall: I will second that.
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Yearsley: I have a motion and a second for the approval of AZ 13-016 and PP 13-033.
All in favor say aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Thank you.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Yearsley: Next on the agenda is the public hearing for RZ 13-013 and PP 13-032, Casa
Bella Subdivision. Let's begin with the staff report.
Rohm: Mr. Chairman?
Yearsley: Yes.
Rohm: Could we take a short break?
Yearsley: Absolutely. Let's take a five minute break.
(Recess: 7:16 p.m. to 7:20 p.m.)
F. Public Hearing: RZ 13-013 Casa Bella Subdivision by
Providence Properties, LLC Located 5555 N. Locust Grove
Road Request: Rezone of 5.44 Acres of Land from the L-O to
the R-8 Zoning District
G. Public Hearing: PP 13-032 Casa Bella Subdivision by
Providence Properties, LLC Located 5555 N. Locust Grove
Road Request: Preliminary Plat Approval Consisting of
Twenty-One (21) Residential Building Lots, One (1) Church Lot
and Four (4) Common/Other Lots on 14.69 Acres of Land in the
L-O and Proposed R-8 Zoning Districts
Yearsley: It looks like everyone is back, so we will start again. Okay. We are going to
reopen the public hearing for RZ 13-013 and PP 13-032, Casa Bella Subdivision. Let's
begin with the staff report.
Parsons: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Members of the Commission. The next application
before you this evening is the Casa Bella Subdivision. It's located on the west side of
North Locust Grove midway between Chinden Boulevard and west -- or East McMillan
Road. In 2008 this property did annex into the city with the L-O zoning district. It's
currently developed with an LDS stake center. The applicant is here tonight to discuss
basically breaking off a surplus piece of the property and developing a 21 lot residential
subdivision. As you can see in the aerial here and also the zoning map before you this
church property is primarily surrounded by residential development, zoned R-4 in the
city. At the time that these subdivisions came through I don't think the city had a vision
that his church property would redevelop, so, therefore, there is no street connectivity
provided to this property. The applicant is proposing a 21 residential lot subdivision
and one church lot on approximately 14.69 acres of land. This is in-fill in nature. One
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thing that I had recommended in the staff report was that the applicant provide a
concept plan that showed how the back portion of the church lot could redevelop in the
future. As I mentioned previously, there is no other street connectivity, so if the church
has any ideas of selling off another surplus piece in the future we want to make sure
that this is, one, a viable stub street. Also if ACHD ever closes off any access points to
the existing church site, the church would have another -- ample opportunity to take
access to that local street as well. So, there is a value to that stub street, but we
certainly wanted to get something before you to show, hey, this could be extended,
there could be additional lots carved out in the future. It won't be a dead end street. As
you can see here on the exhibit, the applicant has provided an emergency access
through the church's parking lot if and when this ever goes through residential or
redevelops in the future. Per the UDC the applicant is required to provide a 25 foot
landscape buffer along Locust Grove. The submitted plan does depict that and the City
of Meridian's master pathways also shows a ten foot pathway along Locust Grove Road
that extends along the entire frontage of this site. I did want to bring your attention
down to the southeast corner of the property here. We have worked with the Parks
Department -- if you can see to the south we have a subdivision that currently has a five
foot wide detached sidewalk that's stubbed to the property. I spoke with the parks
director and he's in agreement to allow that -- just that small segment of the pathway to
be five foot wide -- so, basically, a sidewalk, so that you have a smooth transition with
that sidewalk there. There really isn't enough frontage there to get a ten foot pathway to
transition effectively there. The other reason is ACHD in their comments to staff and
meeting with the applicant they required that the proposed stub street or the proposed
street network align with the existing street across the east side of Locust Grove and
that's why you have this entry point into the subdivision. If I could step back here. As
mentioned, the existing church was developed in the county. It currently does have
existing access points to Locust Grove. ACHD has provided comments to staff and
they are recommending that they leave those existing access points in place. Staff is
supportive of both access points remaining until such time as ACRD deems it needs to
do something different out there and we are also supportive of the proposed street
network as well. The residential portion of the subdivision does consist of 0.52 acres of
land -- open space I should say. So, we have 50 percent of that is the street buffers
along Locust Grove. You have a -- basically a decorative entry into the subdivision,
landscape entry into the subdivision, eight foot parkways along local streets and, then,
some street buffers here. As I mentioned to you that is consistent with the UCC. The
only amenity that's being proposed and required by the UDC is the ten foot pathway
along Locust Grove. That will serve as their amenity. One of staff's concerns -- and I
called that out in the staff report -- was if you look at the exhibits that are before you this
evening we weren't sure if this was going to develop in one phase, two phases, or
multiple phases and so one of our recommended conditions in the staff report was that
the applicant bring in the church lot with the first phase of development to insure that we
did get that pathway or that pedestrian connectivity along the west side of Locust Grove.
The applicant did provide written comments to the staff report and they have confirmed
that this will be -- this subdivision will be done in the first -- in a single phase. So, we
can anticipate seeing that pathway and that pedestrian connection appearing. Here are
the proposed elevations that the applicant has before you this evening. As you can see
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here it's pretty similar to some other applications you acted on here in the recent
months. It's the same developer that's doing the Copperleaf Subdivision and Golden
Estates off of Ustick Road. So, as per their usual, they have apallet -- a plethora of
elevations. Staff is recommending that these three lots that butt up against Locust
Grove have some of those details and decorative features along the rear facades or
sides of those homes, that they are compatible or at least dress up the street edge if
you will and the entry into the subdivision. Staff is recommending approval of -- one
thing I wanted to step back on, this property is currently zoned medium density
residential on the comp plan. This proposed subdivision this evening is roughly four
units to the acre, so it is consistent to the surrounding developments. One thing I would
note is that those lot sizes are larger than what you see in your R-8 zoning district.
They are roughly about 6,000 square feet, average around seven. So, they do -- they
are compatible with the adjacent residential subdivision. The density is consistent with
both the zoning -- requested zoning district and the comp plan, therefore, staff is
recommending approval of the subdivision and the rezone this evening. I'd stand for
any questions you have.
Yearsley: Are there any questions of staff? With that would the applicant like to come
forward. Please state your name and address for the record.
McCarthy: Good evening. My name is Kevin McCarthy. 9233 West State Street. We
don't -- I don't have a lot to add to what Bill already said. We agree with the staff report.
We plan on complying with all the conditions that were listed within the staff report. Just
to expand on what he already said, we feel this project blends in with the neighboring
properties. We have worked with him to work out the stub street that we are showing to
that vacant lot that's showing that that will work in the event of a cul-de-sac and the
church is able to provide a secondary access in the event that it does develop. Right
now they don't have any plans for that, but you never know. We do feel this is a pretty
nice project with the detached sidewalks and will have some nice landscaping to the
streetscape as you go in and just to reiterate we are planning to do this all in a single
phase and the ten foot pathway will be constructed -- constructed all along Locust
Grove there, so -- it will also provide some connectivity as far as the sidewalks go there
along Locust Grove. With that I will stand for any questions you may have.
Yearsley: Thank you. Are there any questions of the applicant? No. Thank you very
much.
McCarthy: Thank you.
Yearsley: Thank you. I do have one person signed up. Kathrine Terrick. Would you
like to come forward. Please. Name and address for the record, please.
Terrick: Good evening. My name is Kathrine Terrick. My address is 5374 North Sun
Shimmer Avenue, Meridian. Our home backs to the proposed development. Our
current backyard view is of a well maintained grassy area. We can see the trees on
Locust Grove and see all the way to the mountains. My husband and I are sad that we
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will be losing this view, which we so enjoy. However, we are not here to try to stop this
development. We are pragmatic people and we understand that development is what
brings us the shops and restaurants that we enjoy frequenting. We are here because
we have many questions and concerns and we didn't know any other way to express
them. We were not notified of the neighborhood meeting on September 26th. We
believe the notification went to the previous homeowner as his name is listed on pages
22 through 24 of the development application. The purchase of our house was
recorded on June 28. We would ask the Commissioners to urge developers to insure
they have updated property owner records, so that current owners will not be left out of
important community developments as we were. Had we been notified of the
neighborhood meeting we would have attended. These are our questions: Number
one. We would like to know what the covenants will be for this subdivision, including
square footage minimum, as well as other covenants for the homeowners. Number two.
We would like to know if the existing chain link fence on our backyard will be removed
and, if so, what will the developer replace it with. Would we be required to share the
cost of a new fence? Number three. Will there be any change in elevation to
accommodate the new road and asphalt. If so how will the developer insure that there
will not be any negative drainage issues for our existing homes. Number four.
Conceptual building elevations on page 30 of the application show a rear view of a
home with many windows in the back. Could the developer take into account privacy in
the design of rear windows for the privacy of both the existing and the new homeowner.
Number five. The conceptuals show only two story houses. Will there be any one story
homes available? Will the buyer be allowed to choose a particular lot -- particular lot
and a particular model or will the developer decide which model is placed on each lot?
The reason we ask this question is because we would be interested in purchasing the
lot that butts to ours for my elderly parents, but it would be practical for us to do so only
if we could purchase a one story home. The lot in question is lot ten on page 31 of the
submitted application, but it is Lot 9 on another rendering we received from the
developer. Number six. What is the timing of when construction will begin, how long
will it last and what hours will crews be working. Thank you.
Yearsley: Thank you.
Rohm: Mr. Chairman?
Yearsley: Yes.
Rohm: That was a pretty nice list of questions, but it might better served if the
developer had a copy of those questions so he could respond to them accurately. So, if
you wanted to share that with him I think the response might be more in line with the
questions.
Yearsley: So, what he is asking is if you would give a copy of your letter to the
applicant.
Rohm: There you go.
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Yearsley: All right. I don't have anybody else signed up for this public hearing. Is there
anybody else that would like to come forward and testify? If not would the applicant like
to come forward and address these comments.
Clarno: My name is Randy Clarno. I'm the managing member of Providence
Properties, the applicant. And I did speak with the Terricks not long after our
neighborhood meeting. We didn't have anybody attend the neighborhood meeting, to
our surprise. But I understand that we notified over 90 people within the distance that
we were supposed to notify. I will try to answer these the best I can. Concerning
covenants, there will be covenants in this project. It will be under a single homeowner
association and they will be comparable to the projects that are -- that adjoin it. The
fencing -- it's our desire to fence that south line more of a privacy fence, so we do intend
to fence the entire south side and we are working with the church right now on, you
know, replacing that existing fence or taking out the existing fence. The buildings that
are going to -- the housing that will go in there -- I do build homes, but I also sell lots to
other home builders and they have design standards and covenants that they have to
comply with. There will likely -- more than likely be the opportunity for single level
homes in there and we will, you know, pay attention to privacy issues, with windows and
so forth. But as you know those homes are not that far apart and it's impossible to get
complete privacy with that. The timing would be -- our hope, our desire is to build
sometime this summer the public infrastructure and home construction to start shortly
thereafter. And I think that's -- I think those are most of the main ones that she had.
Rohm: Part of the fence question was regarding the cost of the fence.
McCarthy: Yeah. We will absorb the cost of the new fence and the cost of the removal
of the existing fence. But we will take the time to make -- contact all those homeowners
when we are ready to get close to do that, so --
Freeman: And I think her last question had to do with were there any elevation
changes, plans, that might cause some drainage to fall onto the adjoining property.
Clarno: No. Our plan would be to drain all the lots out to the street, so we will grade it
accordingly.
Freeman: Thank you for addressing those.
Clarno: You bet.
Yearsley: And 1 think there was one last question about is there a square foot minimum
for the house sizes.
Clarno: I don't know that we have decided that at this point, but there will be -- my
guess is I think it will probably be somewhere in the 14 to 15 hundred square foot range,
would imagine.
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Yearsley: Okay. I think that -- you know, from my -- what I wrote down -- I think you
have addressed most of the comments, so --
Clarno: Okay.
Yearsley: Are there any other comments, questions for the applicant?
Freeman: No.
Yearsley: All right. Thank you.
Clarno: You bet.
Freeman: But I do have a question for staff before we close the public hearing, just in
case.
Yearsley: Absolutely.
Freeman: Bill -- sorry, I was looking for the specific condition of approval. It's 1.1.2 and
it has to do with the applicant needing to bring in a concept plan showing how that
property west of the church might develop. The -- was the cul-de-sac shown on
property, did that meet the criteria that you were looking for? Is that sufficient to
convince you that that can work?
Parsons: Mr. Chairman, Members of the Commission, Commissioner Freeman, I -- no.
my condition was a little more specific. I was hoping for a lot layout, showing it could be
residential in the future, but I -- given the -- looking at the exhibit they provided it
definitely shows that it would be residential if you were to extend the cul-de-sac in there.
think it meets the intent. So, if you're okay with that, the bare bones with just a road in
there and secondary access, I think I'm fine with it tonight. I can live with it.
Freeman: Yeah. In my opinion it shows that something could work there certainly.
would be a little bit concerned about the depth of the properties would be located on the
east side of that street, but if the developer is going to be happy with the resultant
properties there, it works, I just don't know that it's ideally located to equalize the depth
of properties on the east side and the west side of that stub street. That's my only
comment. That was my question.
Yearsley: Any other questions before we -- then I would entertain a motion to close the
public hearing for RZ 13-013 and PP 13-032.
Miller: So moved.
Marshall: Second.
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Yearsley: I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing. All in favor say
aye. Opposed? Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Yearsley: Anyone like to go first?
Freeman: Nobody ever likes to go first, but I will go first. Not that I like it.
Rohm: Oh, I wanted to go first.
Freeman: Go ahead, Commissioner Rohm. I would be happy to hear you speak first.
Rohm: I just was being ornery. Mr. Chairman?
Yearsley: Commissioner Rohm.
Rohm: You know, quite honestly, this is pretty much an in-fill within the city and it is --
appears to be very similar to adjacent development and I think that that's what you want
within this type of a development. So, it looks like the developer has done a good job of
surveying the neighborhood and it's unfortunate that the neighborhood meeting didn't
include the folks in our audience tonight, because they appear to have a lot of good
input and so that's great that they were able to attend tonight and their comments were
heard and addressed in an open meeting. End of comment.
Yearsley: Thank you. Anybody else?
Freeman: I agree with Commissioner Rohm. I think this project is appropriate for the
in-fill problem that the site imposes and I don't mean the word problem negatively. It's a
narrow, very restricted site and this seems to work and use the property well and even
gives us an opportunity to do something reasonably well behind the church. So, I'm in
favor of the project. I do think that the questions brought up by Mrs. Terrick were
addressed well by the applicant. I hope that you two can continue to work together with
questions offline, if there are more specific questions or follow-up that's needed.
Yearsley: Thank you.
Miller: Mr. Chair?
Yearsley: Commissioner Miller.
Miller: I don't have a whole lot to add. I just kind of want to send my sympathies to Mrs.
Terrick. I have often been baffled at how much work goes into putting those addresses
together. It's a pretty rigorous process and that's the first one I have heard of it being
missed and that's really unfortunate in this case. But, hopefully, the developer was able
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to address your questions reasonably. It sounds to me like they are very reasonable
about things. I think it's a great development. It's a good in-fill project. I'm in favor.
Yearsley: Thank you.
Marshall: I was just going to say, I, personally, in seeing this, I'm hoping -- I pray that as
I get older I -- I become a little more knowledgeable and maybe -- just maybe a touch
wiser and Ihope -- and Ithink -- I like to believe that the city is as well in that it's these
projects that today we would like to say we really should have a stub street to a property
like this, because some day it may develop and we have got to have cross-access and
that would have made life a lot easier for everybody I think if there had been a stub
street there to be able to attach to from the other subdivision and it's unfortunate it
wasn't. Given the situation I think it's appropriate. I'm really hoping Mrs. Terrick and her
husband are able to work out a deal and maybe her mom can move in right behind her.
had that as a kid with my grandparents right next door and it was awesome. So, I'm
hoping maybe that will work out for you. And I do appreciate the developer is willing to
address those issues and thank you and I'm for the project.
Yearsley: Thank you. I agree. 1 think it looks good and there is not much else I can
say, so at this point I would entertain a motion.
Miller: Mr. Chair?
Yearsley: Commissioner Miller.
Miller: After considering all staff, applicant, and public testimony, I move to recommend
approval to the City Council of file numbers RZ 13-013 and PP 13-032 as presented in
the staff report for the hearing date of November 21st, 2013, with no modifications.
Rohm: Second.
Yearsley: I have a motion and a second to approve file number RZ 13-013 and PP 13-
023. All in favor say aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Thank you.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
H. Public Hearing: PP 13-031 Knighthill Center by Mason and
Stanfield Inc. Located Southwest Corner of N. Linder Road and
W. Chinden Boulevard Request: Preliminary Plat Approval of
Five (S) Commercial Lots and One (1) Common Lot on
Approximately 9.11 Acres in the C-G Zoning District
Yearsley: Next on the agenda is PP 13-031, Knighthill Center by Mason Stanfield and
let's begin with the staff report.
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Parsons: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Members of the Commission. The next application
before you is the Knighthill Center Subdivision. It's located on the southwest corner of
Chinden Boulevard. It currently consists of 9.11 acres of land and it's zoned C-G within
the city limits. In 2006 this property was annexed and is called -- it was the same name,
Knighthill. At that time it annexed with the concept plan that had almost 150,000 square
feet of retail on the site. Since that time the applicant has -- is under new ownership
and the applicant has purchased the property. In 2008 he came forward with a new
preliminary plan and new concept plan. Under that plan there was approximately
74,000 square feet of office, retail on the site and now those approvals have lapsed,
because the applicant elected not to move forward and sign the development
agreement or request a time frame within the UDC time limit. So, he's back again. He's
re-seeking the -- basically the same approval he had back in 2008. Probably the
biggest -- the significant difference in the site plans you saw in the past and the one this
evening is the access to Chinden Boulevard and that was granted by City Council a few
months ago through a variance process and ITD has also approved that access point.
So, he does have a permit to construct that right-in, right-out onto ITD or onto Chinden
Boulevard. So, as I mentioned to you it is a commercial subdivision. It consists of five
commercial lots, four along -- three along Chinden and one along Locust Grove and one
internal to the site. The applicant has also submitted a concurrent development
agreement modification, so that he can amend the original concept plan and is
proposing this concept plan before you this evening. Square footages of the building
are anywhere from 4,800 square feet up to a mid box store which is depicted at 30,400
square feet over here up against the adjacent residential subdivision. These three
structures here along Chinden and along Linder are labeled as multi-tenant buildings
and they range between 10,000 square feet and 15,000 square feet respectively.
Access to this development, as I mentioned earlier, you do have a -- there will be a
right-in, right-out to Chinden. There will be a full access going to Linder Road. Along
the south boundary of the Lochsa Falls Subdivision is an existing street, North Gertie
Place, that will be opened up and, then, attached to the commercial drive aisle
proposed with this development and along the west boundary is West Everest Lane,
which is a private street that was constructed with the Lochsa Falls development. The
original development agreement required the applicant to provide proof of cross-access
with this private lane along the west boundary. In 2008 the applicant or the developer
did provide staff a copy of that cross-access agreement. He has the right to use that
private lane and he's required to pay money towards the maintenance of that road. So,
things are in place to allow that to happen. As you can see here some of these lots do
not front on a street, so, therefore, staff is recommending that he grant cross-access to
all the lots within this proposed development as well, so that they can use the proposed
access points before you this evening. What I have done here is I have combined the
preliminary plat and the landscape plan into one exhibit and per the UDC the applicant
is required to provide a 35 foot landscape buffer along Linder Road and Chinden
Boulevard. A ten foot multi-use pathway is also required along Chinden for
connectivity. I would mention to the Commission that the Lochsa Falls development did
develop prior to the UDC and, therefore, only have a five foot attached -- or detached
sidewalk along Chinden, but we do still have pedestrian connectivity. So, we are
starting to get almost a half mile of connection through there going all the way down to
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Long Lake, which is the half mile intersection there and helps people get down to the
school site as well and also give pedestrians to this site as well. The applicant is
showing a ten foot pathway along Linder Road. That is not required by the UDC. He
only has -- is required to provide a five foot detached sidewalk and that's all that staff
has conditioned to provide is the five foot sidewalk -- detached sidewalk. He is
extending the sidewalk from North Gertie Place into the site and providing some
pedestrian connectivity from the adjacent subdivision. The concept plan also shows a
plaza area consisting with the mixed use community standards on the site, which is --
has that amenity as well. As you can see here, because the C-G zoned property is up
against residential zoned property, the UDC does require a 25 foot landscape buffer,
between that -- those two zoning districts. The applicant this evening is proposing a 20
foot wide landscape buffer along the entire portion of the west boundary and all of the
south boundary. In my staff report staff was amenable to allowing the 20 foot
landscaping buffer along this portion of the site, because the building was separated
from the residential development quite a ways with the drive aisle and, of course, the
parking area. One thing that's different from the previous approval to this approval was
originally there was a single family home on -- to the south of this multi-tenant building.
That's since been replaced with an ACHD retention pond, so there was a provision in
the DA that required a curb cut to that property and cross-access. Now that it's just a
detention pond staff is recommending that that DA provision be omitted, it's no longer
relevant and can move forward with the development of this site. The applicant has
also deeded the necessary right of way to ITD along Chinden Boulevard, so that it can
be expanded in the future. One thing I would mention to you, if you had any safety
concerns regarding the access onto Chinden, when we were at that hearing discussing
the variance with Council, ITD there was explaining that there will be a center median
needed within that roadway and the applicant will be required to build a decel lane into
the site, so that there isn't that conflict as you decel into the commercial development.
Here are the proposed elevations. This is really meant to serve as a collage to show
you the variations that could occur on the site. The lower left-hand corner here is an
example of what an office or bank building could look like on the site and, then, the
other renderings just show a typical multi-tenant building. We haven't really -- we
generally tie the applicant to these -- these elevations. We want to be able to give them
that flexibility and let it kind of morph into what he envisions with the site, but these are
more -- more of a collage to show you what the construction materials will be moving
forward. Staff did receive written testimony from the applicant. They are asking that the
Commission stay with their proposal of 20 feet along the south boundary and a portion
of that west boundary. They have met with the adjacent neighbors. They want the
conifers -- a dense buffer of conifers along the back. In the application the applicant did
provide athree-to-one berm along that back portion of the site as well and we have
conditioned them to provide a berm. Under the UDC we like to see a mix of materials
-- planting materials. In fact, they are not all conifers. It becomes a safety concern if we
have too many conifers growing together. The police department can't really see back
behind there, so I'm hoping the applicant can go back to the homeowners and work with
them and commit to a dense buffer, but also include a mix of plantings in there. We
don't want a sterile look in the back there. It's meant to -- to beautify the site, as well as
buffer the site. One other recommended DA provision that we are carrying forward --
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and the applicant wants to discuss with you is the requirement -- if I can go back to the
concept plan here. You can see there is a --amid box building. It's 30,000 square feet
up against residential. And that's why staff is staying with this original recommendation
of requiring a 25 foot dense landscape buffer and having it bermed. The other thing that
I would point out to the Commission is that the loading area is also along the back side
of that building. Under the UDC there are requirements that that must be enclosed and
it must operate between the hours of 7:00 a.m. and 10:00 only when it's that close to a
residential district. The applicant has no plans for a user here, so it's just -- at this point
it is a concept, but I did bring that to your tension in the staff report, because we want to
make sure that this is compatible with the adjacent residential uses. We have C-G
zoning, which is our most intense commercial zoning up against a residential district, so
we have to make -- insure that that compatibility happens. So, what I have tried to do in
a DA provision is limit the mid box store to the square footage shown on the concept
plan. I have limited the multi-tenant buildings on the site to the 15,600 square foot
building footprint and the other item that I added was that no building -- commercial
building on the site could exceed 35 feet in height and the reason why I did that is
because that's the typical height requirement we have in our residential district. Other
than those two items the owner, developer, and the applicant are in agreement with the
conditions in the staff report. To my knowledge there aren't any other outstanding
issues before you. Staff is recommending approval of the plat and the DA mod and I
stand for any questions Commission may have.
Yearsley: Thank you. Are there any questions?
Miller: Mr. Chair, I have a question, actually.
Yearsley: Commissioner Miller.
Miller: So, next to the retention pond -- or did you say you're allowing a 20 foot because
of the other separation there, just in that portion, but the other half will be 25?
Parsons: Mr. Chair. Staff -- it's ultimately aCommission -- a City Council decision.
Through the public hearing process they can allow the reduced buffer. Staffs stance is,
yes, we do support 20 feet there, it's just giving the separation between the building and
the drive aisle, 20 feet makes sense. If the applicant were to plat a short segment of --
of the public road there and brought Gertie Place in and terminated at Linder Road, he
would only be required to do a ten foot buffer. He's elected to go with a commercial
drive aisle, so, therefore, we had asked to throw 25 at them or 20, whichever Council
does, but we do support his request for 20 feet in that location. We have only required
20 feet along Lot 2, Block 1, here, which is up against the mid block store.
Miller: Okay. Thank you.
Yearsley: Thank you. Would the applicant like to come forward? Please state your
name and address for the record.
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Stanfield: Scott Stanfield. Mason Stanfield Engineering and Land Surveying in Nampa,
Idaho, and it's good to be last, because there is only two people behind me, so I like
this. Here representing Renny Wylie, the owner in this project and, first, thank you, Bill,
and his efforts over the last several weeks on helping us move the project forward. As
usual it's good to work with him. I will cut right to the two points that we agree to
disagree on, Bill and I, and that is the two that he referenced towards the tail end of his
presentation. We really would prefer to do a 20 foot buffer on a -- on a berm with
landscaping on top of the berm and on the side. Yes, regardless of the berm -- or
regardless of the landscape buffer size we will go work with the neighbors regarding the
foliage. To my understanding they threw out the idea of a dense row of conifers back
there, because they didn't want to be burdened with the typical drip associated with the
deciduous trees and the leaves that can fall down on their side. So, we will continue to
work with those folks and get something amenable ironed out on top of that berm. The
second item is the square footage. We understand Bill's thought process, but we feel
that the square footage is really controlled in other ways. It is zoned C-G and we have
certain uses we can have and we have certain parking ratios we have to maintain and
we have certain landscaping requirements we have to maintain and all these things
together will impact the square footage of the building. So, we would rather not be tied
to that as a maximum, rather let the site work, let the zoning work and let the UDC code
define our building size and with that I will stand for any questions.
Freeman: I have one. What are the negative impacts, in your opinion, to the 25 buffer
requirement behind your larger building?
Stanfield: If we went 25 -- is the question if we went 25 feet what would that --
Freeman: How does it negatively impact you, yes.
Stanfield: It would make it smaller.
Freeman: The building you mean?
Stanfield: Yeah. With the way we have the drive aisle in back and, then, the building
just north of there.
Freeman: Are you -- are you over your minimum parking count? I don't recall from the
report, but --
Stanfield: I don't recall either, to be honest with you.
Freeman: Okay. I just wonder if an alternative to -- if you end up with a 25 foot
setback, if you have an alternative, instead of reducing the square footage of your
building to actually maybe reduce a few of those parking stalls in front of the building
and just move the building, which would also help mitigate against negative impacts to
the neighbors. I was just curious why the 25 foot was such an issue for you if -- if there
are ways that you could keep that building the same size.
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Stanfield: Yeah. I could certainly entertain that and look at that prior to Council. The
20 foot -- it's my understanding was a result of the original application, which the original
approvals permitted 20 feet and we just propagated that and I think may have added the
drive aisles on top of that 20 feet, plus the berm.
Freeman: Yeah. I know there are some pretty strong opinions on this side of the wall
here regarding large C-G buildings up against residential. So, I'm just thinking the 25
foot is probably what I would support, too, and just be thinking -- well, you're going to be
able to take that to City Council, but be thinking about ways that you can deal with that
in the meantime.
Stanfield: We will do it. Thank you.
Freeman: Thanks.
Yearsley: Are there any other questions?
Miller: Mr. Chair?
Yearsley: Commissioner Miller.
Miller: I have got a question more towards the square footage requirements and it -- I
mean there is a possibility somebody can want to come in and develop all -- these lots
at once, right, and put a bigger building and maybe that would increase the size of that,
maybe why you -- you want to get rid of that minimum square foot requirement.
Stanfield: Correct. Correct.
Miller: Do you have any concerns about being able -- like say -- usually the bigger
stores have later hours operational earlier and do you have any concerns of meeting
that requirement and the loading dock not be operated between 7:00 and 10:00?
Stanfield: No, Commissioners, Chairman, I don't at this time, because we don't have a
user. I'm sure when it sells that user may have to take that issue up, but from our
position we don't -- the code is the code and elected to show it there, so we will have to
deal with that -- the end user will, so --
Miller: Okay.
Stanfield: -- no disagreements there.
Yearsley: Any other questions?
Marshall: Mr. Chair, I do.
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Yearsley: Commissioner Marshall.
Marshall: Why did you put the 30,000 square foot building in the back? Why not the
smaller, less intense -- because the last project -- and I'm recalling 2008 when this
came through -- this was a little contentious and there was a lot of discussion about it
and it was offices -- low intensity offices up against the residences and it -- I believe
there was a convenience store out on the corner, which was fine, because it was
buffered -- you know, that's a high intensity use, but it was buffered against the
residences with low intensity offices and it appears to me that you got a mid box store
that is going to be a high intensity -- relatively high intensity. It's not a big regional thing,
but it's going to draw a lot. A 30,000 square foot store is pretty good size. That means
you're going to have a lot of traffic, that's why you have got a lot of parking here and
why are you putting that up against residences?
Stanfield: Chairman, Commissioner Marshall, I can speculate and I will have my client
answer that. He was running the show with the layout, but I will add that he met with
the neighbors numerous times and it's my understanding that it started out with maybe
40, 50 people in this room, now there is one that could be against or for it, I'm not sure,
we will let the time tell, but I think that is indicative of the work that Mr. Renny Wylie
went through in working with the neighbors and making them not embrace, but, you
know, not necessarily object by the numbers to this project and Ican -- I can speculate
why the building is back there, but I -- you know, I would just be speculating, but I think
as a result you don't see a lot of people here tonight.
Marshall: Thank you.
Yearsley: Thank you. If we don't have any other questions, we will I guess let the
owner come forward if he wanted to. I don't have anybody else signed up.
Wylie: Good evening. Renny Wylie. 1676 Clarendon, Eagle, Idaho, and as has been
stated, I'm the owner of the property. One of the constraints that we have -- you had
asked about moving the building. One, this is all conceptual. We don't have a tenant.
We don't have any users at this point. Part of our problem with -- it's a benefit and it's a
problem with this site -- is the amount of accesses, so we are constrained with Gertie
and we are constrained with Everest, along with the access off of Chinden and the
access off of Linder. So, we are trying to figure out what can fit into that little corner.
Originally our thought was the offices that we had come with before, it turned out we
didn't have any market for them. So, if we don't have any market for them we are not
going to build them. So, that's what -- that's why we went a different direction. My
thought was creating -- generate a larger parcel in the back. If we have a larger parcel
in the back where do we put it? If we move it towards the -- further away towards what
would be the northeast corner of that parcel, well, then, you're constrained by Everest
running into it and -- and you have a problem with the drive aisle coming off of Gertie.
So, kind of the only way we could figure out to lay it out was similar location as to what it
is. Will we actually have a mid box there? I'm not sure. If you look at a Staples, for
instance, of similar size, you actually have less traffic than you would in amulti-tenant
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retail building. The multi-tenant retail buildings oftentimes generate a lot more traffic
happening at a quicker rate. A lot higher turnover. So, again, I must emphasize
everything we are doing at this point is conceptual, so stand for any questions.
Yearsley: Are there any questions?
Freeman: No more.
Yearsley: All right. Thank you.
Wylie: Thank you.
Yearsley: Is there anybody else that would like to come forward and testify? With that I
would entertain a motion to close the public hearing.
Rohm: So moved.
Marshall: Second.
Yearsley: I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing on PP 13-031. All
in favor say aye. Opposed? Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Rohm: Mr. Chairman?
Yearsley: Commissioner Rohm.
Rohm: I drive by that lot every day and part of this whole deal is a vision of the city that
will have commercial developments in certain designated areas throughout the city and
this being one of them and I think the reason why it hasn't developed in the past is
because they haven't been able to come up with the right niche and, quite honestly,
applaud the applicant for coming up with a concept that may actually see this property
developed and -- and take it out of -- or put it into an active role in the community. So,
from my perspective I think it's great that they have been able to move forward with
something that will put this on the tax rolls in a positive manner and have some
additional development within the city. So, I'm in full support of it as presented by the
applicant.
Yearsley: Thank you.
Marshall: Mr. Chair, I'm going to take the other side of that.
Yearsley: Commissioner Marshall.
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Marshall: To be honest, I do want to see this built out. I do want it on the tax rolls.
like everything but that big box store backing up to residences. I'm against that in this
preliminary plat. Yes, it is conceptual, but we are trying to identify where the lot lines
are going to be and once we set those lot lines we are talking about -- it's going to be
the big store back there and I don't like that, but, in fact, this should not have ever been
zoned C-G up against residential. The front half C-G. That's fine. The front half of this.
But the back half should have been L-O or something else. C-C. Something -- not C-G.
And I have been arguing against that ever since I have been on here and will continue
to do so. That was before my time. And Istill -- I am -- I don't like back lot and I don't
think a 25 foot buffer is enough, to be honest. A berm with a couple trees on it is not a
buffer. A buffer is lower intensity uses. And I'm going to argue against C-G up against
residential every day of the week. I know this was zoned C-G, but lower intensity uses
should be between the residences and the commercial out there and I don't think it's
appropriate to put that up against residential.
Miller: Mr. Chair?
Yearsley: Commissioner Miller.
Miller: I'm going to walk the middle. I -- I understand what Commissioner Marshall is
saying. I also have taken into consideration what Renny said up here that, you know,
the market isn't supporting offices, which generally are a buffer. Honestly, in this area to
me I wouldn't want to move an office space out there, but I can see a nice little shopping
area out there with a Staples size building, if the neighbors are all okay with it, you
know, and the buffer and the -- the trees and the mound. I think that's appropriate. I am
not in support of getting rid of these different building sizes and, instead, getting one
building, because I would worry that, you know, A Walmart would come in and say
want the whole site, you know. Not that they would, but I want to preserve the plan as it
-- as it's shown and I think that the square foot maximums are appropriate. I also don't
see enough evidence to support lowering that -- the berm size from 25 to 20. It's. not a
set plan, it's not -- somebody is going to go in there -- I think there. is some flexibilities
built into that. I just don't see enough evidence to move that. But I'm in support of the
project. I think it could be a cool little shopping area with various stores -- retail stores --
picture more so than offices. But that's just me. I'm in support of the project as the
staff is recommending.
Yearsley: Thank you.
Freeman: Mr. Chair?
Yearsley: Commissioner Freeman.
Freeman: If this site does end up with a 30,000 square foot building, I thought you gave
very good answer for why you located it where you located it. Actually, I was kind of
anticipating that answer, looking at the restrictions here and I understand my colleague
Mr. Marshall's concerns, because every time we have a situation like this he's very
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vocal about these large C-G zoned buildings up against residential and I can't say that I
disagree. However, given what the other Commissioners have stated, I tend agree on
the positive side that this is a site that we would like to see developed. It appears that
retail is the appropriate use. We do have some restrictions here. I would also add --
even though I'm going to support staffs recommendation fora 25 foot buffer -- and you
can take it up with City Council to see if you can get that reduced, but I think that's the
least we need to do to mitigate against what is a valid issue that Commissioner Marshal
has voiced. We at least need to get on the maximum buffer per code, if you will. And
give me a second here. I would also point out that -- something that you had mentioned
in your testimony -- in the applicant's testimony, there is not a single neighbor here
opposing this. I have no written testimony saying we can't stand this thing in our back
yard and had four or five of these neighbors -- any of them shown up saying this is
ridiculous, we can't handle this, then, I may have been swayed another direction. But
think that is testimony to the fact that you have worked with these neighbors and shown
them what you're doing, I'm assuming, and that they are happy with what you're
proposing. So, I'm in support of the project, not without concerns, but I think that we did
need to -- we do need to insist on the 25 foot buffer back there as recommended by
staff. That's all.
Marshall: If I can -- just one last opportunity.
Yearsley: Absolutely.
Marshall: Again, I'd like to see this developed. It looks like a pretty decent development
and -- but my problem is a 30,000 square foot store in a C-G that can be open 24 hours
a day right next to residences and that's going to be one of your biggest complaints over
and over and it's not going to be the homeowner that lives there now, it's the one that
buys later and, then, starts complaining about the noise. You know, you bought the
house. You already knew it was there. But it's our job to kind of protect against that a
little bit and I'm going to point out for future reference this is why I'm against C-G up
against residential and I like the whole outside of this project. I really want to see it
developed, but, again, I'm --and even if it goes forward with this as it is, I do want to see
it develop, but out of principle I'm going to say no on this one.
Freeman: One more comment, if I may. You know, seeing that this is -- this is
conceptual. There is a DA agreement attached to it and I agree we need to put specific
numbers to the square footages in the DA agreement, because that's one of the
reasons we have DA agreement. I also anticipate there are going to be some future
modifications to that and I think this 30,000 square foot building is perhaps in your
perspective a worse case scenario of what might happen here, which is marginally
acceptable to me. It may improve, it may end up that as actual tenants start filling this
in -- this is not exactly what happens and we have seen something more favorable to
your sensitivities and mine as well. That's my last comment.
Parsons: Mr. Chairman?
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Yearsley: Commissioner -- or sorry. Bill. Yes.
Parsons: If I may elaborate. I'm hearing some of your concerns and certainly as you
move for recommendation onto City Council you have the ability to recommend a DA
provision that limits hours of operation on the site. I mean in the UDC, since Renny has
come through, the site -- we anticipate where C-G zoning is up against residential
development, hours of operation is limited through the UDC from 6:00 a.m. to 11:00
p.m. So, we have that, but they have to go through a conditional use process. If you
feel that's appropriate or if you want the zoning to control, that's certainly an option, but
you have the ability to say -- limiting the hours of operation on the site -- or at least
make a recommendation to Council.
Marshall: Can we do that on one lot only? As opposed to -- as opposed to the entire
site? Twenty-four hours operation is appropriate on the rest of the site, but the stuff
right up against the houses there is not.
Freeman: I don't see why not. Does legal counsel see why not?
Baird: I'm confused here. You have got a preliminary plat on property that's already
zoned, where does the -- where does the DA come into play? Is that what we are --
Lucas: Yeah. Mr. Chair, Members of the Commission, just to clarify what the code
actually says, per the C-G zone properties that abut residential are already limited by
their hours of operation. So, it only applies to those lots that abut the residential. So,
seemingly -- seemingly it didn't seem like you need to make any additions to the DA due
to the fact that the code already covers C-G lots adjacent to residential, limited to -- I
believe Bill said 6:00 to 11:00. So, that would be enforced through and, then, the
building comes in, they apply for a certificate of zoning compliance. We would, then,
put that on the property based on the code and so that's already in place.
Rohm: That's the answer I wanted.
Freeman: Mr. Chair, I'm ready to make a motion if --
Yearsley: I would be -- I would be willing to entertain a motion.
Freeman: Let me do this slowly.
Yearsley: All right.
Freeman: Mr. Chair, after considering all staff, applicant, and public testimony, I move
to recommend approval to City Council of file number PP 13-031 as presented in the
staff report for the hearing date of November 21st, 2013, with no modifications. I think
staff did a good job with their recommendations and I fully support those.
Rohm: Second.
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Miller: Isn't the MDA --
Freeman: I don't believe so, because the modifications are something that City Council
actually has authority over, not us. That's why I omitted it.
Rohm: Good job.
Yearsley: I have a motion and a second to approve file number PP 13-031. All in favor
say aye. Opposed? Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Yearsley: Just for future reference, Scott, when you sign up you might want to check
that you're for the project, not against the project. Now that's on public record.
Rohm: Mr. Chairman?
Yearsley: Commissioner Rohm?
Rohm: I move we adjourn.
Freeman: Second.
Yearsley: I have a motion and a second to adjourn. All in favor say aye. Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Yearsley: We stand adjourned.
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Meridian Planning Zoning Commission Meeting
DATE: November 21, 2013 ITEM NUMBER: 4E
PROJECT NUMBER: PP 13-033
ITEM TITLE: Southern Highlands Subdivision
Public Haring: Preliminary plat approval consisting of 162 residential building lots, 12 common lots, 1
citypark lot and 1 lot forfuture re-subdivision on 123.45 acres of land in an R-4 zoning district by BHH I
Investments, LLC - southside of E. Amity Road, west of S. Eagle Road and north of E. Taconic Drive
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Meridian Planning Zoning Commission Meeting
DATE: November 21, 2013 ITEM NUMBER: 4F
PROJECT NUMBER: RZ 13-013
ITEM TITLE: Casa Bella Sub
Public Hearing: Rezone of 5.16 acres of land from the L-O to the R-8 zoning district by Providence
Properties, LLC - 5555 N. Locust Grove Road
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DATE: November 21, 2013
ITEM NUMBER: 4G
PROJECT NUMBER: PP 13-032
ITEM TITLE: Casa Bella Sub
Public Hearing: Preliminary Plat approval consisting of 21 building lots and 4 common/other lots on
14.69 acres of land in the L-O and proposed R$ zoning districts by Providence Properties, LLC - 5555 N.
Locust Grove Road
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DATE: November 21, 2013 ITEM NUMBER: 4H
PROJECT NUMBER: PP 13-031
ITEM TITLE: Knighthill Center
Public Hearing: Preliminary plat approval consisting of 5 commercial lots and 1 common lot on
approximately 9.11 acres in a C-G zoning district by Mason and Stanfiel, Inc. - SWC of N. Linder Rd and
W. Chinden Blvd.
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