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LDS Church at Cherry Lane / Ten MileWILLIAM G. BERG, JR., City Clerk JANICE L. GASS, City Treasurer GARY D. SMITH, P.E., Clty Engineer BRUCE D. STUART, Water Works Supt. JOHN T. SHAWCROFT, Waste Water Supt. DENNIS J. SUMMERS, Parks Supt. SHARI L. STILES, P & Z Administrator PATTY A. WOLFKIEL, DMV Supervisor KENNETH W. BOWERS, Fire Chief W.L. "BILL" GORDON, Polioe Chief WAYNE G. CROOKSTON, JR., Attorney TG: FROM: DATE: SUBJECT • HUB OF TREASURE VALLEY A Good Place to Live CITY OF 1~IERIDIAN 33 EAST IDAHO MERIDIAN, IDAHO 83642 Phone (208) 888-4433 • FAX (208) 887-4813 Public WorksBuilding Department (208) 887-2211 Motor Vehicle/Drivers License (208) 888-4443 ROBERT D. CORRIE Mayor and City!Council Mayor Shari Stiles ~~~'~'~ " ~5~' November 1, 1996 COUNCIL MEMBERS WALT W. MORROW, President RONALD R. TOLSMA CHARLES M. ROUNTREE GLENN R. BENTLEY P & Z COMMISSION JIM JOHNSON, Chairman TIM HEPPER JIM SHEARER GREG OSLUND MALCOLM MACCOY Proposed Remodel of/Addition to EXisting LDS Church at Cherry Lane/Ten Mile The LDS Church is planning an expansion to their existing facility. When a building permit is to be issued, I have to verify that the building meets Ordinance requirements. The church is currently in an R-4 zone, which does not allow churches as a permitted or as a conditional use. Therefore, I asked their architect to make a request of the City Council for permission to construct the addition. Attached are reduced plans showing the proposed addition. If Council allows the addition, I would request that the Architect ensure that the additional needed right-of--way is dedicated on Ten Mile Road (a minimum of 45 feet from centerline} prior to obtaining the building permit and that setback requirements will still be met. If Council does not grant their request, the only option would be to go through the rezoning process. Thank you. MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING: November 6 1996 APPLICANT: ITEM NUMBER; 5 REQUEST: REQUEST APPROVAL FOR PROPOSED REMODEL OF EXISTING LDS CHURCH AT CHERRY LANE AND TEN MILE ROAD AGENCY CITY CLERK: CITY ENGINEER: CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: CITY ATTORNEY: CITY POLICE DEPT: CITY FIRE DEPT: CITY BUILDING DEPT: MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: MERIDIAN POST OFFICE: ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: ADA COUNTY STREET NAME COMMITTEE: CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: SETTLERS IRRIGATION: IDAHO POWER: US WEST: INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: BUREAU OF RECLAMATION: COMMENTS ~ ~i~~ f~~ a~~~ a~ OTHER: All Materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. • RECEIVED 0 C T 1 11996 C~'Y OF ~[F.R1DUlN October 10, 1996 Mayor Robert D. Corrie City of Meridian 33 East Idaho Meridian, ID 83642 Dear Mayor Robert D. Corrie: Lombard-Conrad Architects have submitted plans for a proposed remodel of an existing church for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints located at Cherry Lane and Ten Mile. We are writing to request that this project be added to the agenda of the October 15th City Council meeting. Please feel free to call me with any questions you may have. Sincerely, ARCHITECTS, PA LOMBARD-CONRAD, ARCHITECTS, P.A. • 1221 SHORELINE LANE, BOISE, IDAHO 83702-8880 • (208) 345-8877 • FAX (208) 344-9002 1119 IDAHO STREET, ELKO, NEVADA 89801 • (702) 778-9494 • FAX (702) 778-0495 19800 VILLAGE OFFICE COURT, #103, BEND, OREGON 97702 • (541) 382-9887 • FAX (541) 385-8816 Since 1972 Steve Simmons AIA-CSI Associate Principal • HUB OF TREASURE VALLEY • WILLIAM G. BF_RG, JR., City Clerk JANICE L. GASS, City Treasurer GARY D. SMITH, P.E., City Engineer BRUCE D. STUART, Water Works Supt. JOHN T. SHAWCROFT, Waste Water Supt. DENNIS J. SUMMERS, Parks Supt. SHARI L. STILES, P & Z Administrator PATTY A. WOLFKIEL, DMV Supervisor KENNETH W. BOWERS, Fire Chief W.L. "BILL" GORDON, Police Chief WAYNE G. CROOKSTON, JR., Attorney A Good Place to Live CITY OF MERIDIAN 33 EAST IDAHO MERIDIAN, IDAHO 83642 Phone (208) 888-4433 • FAX (208) 887-4813 Public WorlsBuilding Deparanent (208) 887-2211 Motor Vehicle/Drivers License (208) 888-4443 ROBERT D. CORR~ Ma}ror October 15, 1996 Steve Simmons Lombard-Conrad Architects 1221 Shoreline Lane Boise, ID 83702-6880 Dear Mr. Simmons, GOUNGIL MEMBERS WALT W. MORROW, President RONALD R. TOLSMA CHARLES M. ROUNTREE GLENN R. BENTLEY P 8 Z COMMISSION JIM JOHNSON, Chairman TIM HEPPER JIM SHEARER GREG OSLUND MALCOLM MACCOY The City of Meridian has received your request to be on the City Council agenda for approval of a remodel of the existing church at Cherry Lane and Ten Mile Road. City Clerk Will Berg .contacted Jim Mihan on October 10 by telephone and informed him that the request will be placed on the November 6 City Council agenda as per my decision. Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions. Sincerely, ~~: obert D. Corrie Mayor ~~ 10-10-1996 2:51PM FROM LOMBARD-CONRAD ARCHI 3449002 n ~~ ~~ @¢:04- Ca ~b °,~ ~ ° ~ ,,~ v~ ,..~ Octoti~er 10, 1996 Mayor Robert D. Come City of Mexidian 33 East Idaho Mericlian, ID 83642 Aear :Mayor Robert D. Cowie: ~lqU. ~° Lombard-Conrad Architects have submitted plans for a proposed remodel of an existing church for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints located at Cherry Lane and Ten Mile. 'We are writing to request that this project be added to the agenda of the October 15th City Council meeting. Please feel free to call me with any questions you may have. Sincerely, ARCHITECTS, PA P. 2 LOMBARCi-CONRAD, ARCHITECTS, P.A. • 1221 SHORELINE LANE, BOISE, IDAt10 83702-6880 • (208) 345.6677 • FAX {208) 344-9002 11191DAM0 STREET, ELKO, NEVADA 89801 -(702) 778.9494 • FAX (702) 778-0495 19800 VILLAGE OFFICE COIdRT, >V103, BEND, OREGON 97702 • (541) 382-9867 - FAX (541) 385-8816 OCT 10 '96 15 52 3449002 PAGE.02 Sinoe 1972 Steve; Simmons AIA-CSI Associate Prizacipal 10-18-1996 2:51 PM FROM LOMBARD-CONRAD ARCHI 3449002 FA~-CSIMILE COVER SHEET DA"TE: to 11~~ ~T FA:K Number. / ~3g~I • ~-Qy(~ ,~ T .~ ERC,)M: ~ \ ~ P. 1 LOMBARD-CONRAD ARCHITECTS 1221 Shoreline Lane Boise, Idaho 83702 PHONE: 208/345-6677 FAX NUMBER: 208/344-9002 RE:; PROJECT NAME: LCA PROJECT# Q .~I SUBJECT: j~ _ 1 I _D~R ~1/~ ~L~s? P~ ~ 1 r1G 'I IS~Iv~A r ~Cl _ !~ o~l.~ TO'N'AL number of pages being transmitted, EXCLUDING cover sheet: If the total number of pages are not received, please advise as soon as possibl LOMBARD-C'ONRAD, ARCHITECTS, P.A. • 1221 SHORELINE LANE, BOISE, IDAHO 83702-6880 •(208) 345-6677 • FAX (208) 341-9002 OCT 10 '96 15 51 3449002 PAGE.01 • i MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING: December 3.1996 APPLICANT: ITEM NUMBER; 8 REQUEST: REQUEST FOR A TEMPORARY OFFICE BUILDING FOR THE LDS CHURCH AGENCY COMMENTS CITY CLERK: CITY ENGINEER: CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: CITY ATTORNEY: CITY POLICE DEPT: CITY FIRE DEPT: ,Q Oj~ CITY BUILDING DEPT: MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: MERIDIAN POST OFFICE: ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: ADA COUNTY STREET NAME COMMITTEE: CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: SETTLERS IRRIGATION: IDAHO POWER: US WEST: INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: BUREAU OF RECLAMATION: o~~L ~ U~ VE ~. (~ ~ Ishl ~R OTHER: All Materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. ' 1p • THE CI--~U'1~CH OF JESUS CHRIST of LATTER DAY SAINTS PHYSICAL FACILITIES Meridian ID PM Group 10740 Fairview Avenue Boise, Idaho 83713 Phone:i-208-376-8272 November 25, 1996 City of Meridian Attn. Honorable Mayor Bob Corrie 33 East Idaho Ave. Meridian, ID 83642 RE: Temporary Office Building - LDS Church Dear Mayor Corrie: ~~~~~~ ~ O 1P 2 ~ 1'06 CITY OF 1~ERlI3IAN After a discussion with Shari Stiles, Planning Director and Zoning Administrator, I am requesting approval to locate a temporary modular building to house ecclesiastical officers for the LDS Church. The facility will be needed for a maximum of 18 months beginning in January of 1997. A site plan and floor plan are enclosed for your review. If you have any questions, please feel free to call me either at work #376-8272, or at home #376-9239. I appreciate your prompt attention to this request. Sincerely, ~~. Kent L. Brough PM Supervisor Enclosures cc: President Jerry O. 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SCA ~.E : ~~g ~~ ~'-per ~T~M~o~~~.Y T ~~ =~ ..~( 0 ~: 1' ~: o I~~ y ~ b ~ ~ Meridian City Council December 3, 1996 Page 22 MOTION CARRIED: All Yea ITEM #8: REQUEST FOR A TEMPORARY OFFICE BUILDING FOR THE LDS CHURCH: Cowie: Is there a representative form the LDS Church that can give us some information on what is being requested? Balesten: Mr. Mayor and Council I am a pinch hitter, the fellow that was supposed be here called me and said he couldn't make it tonight. So 1 don't know all of the particulars but 1 have been involved in some of the discussions. Cowie: What you are asking here for is a maximum of 18 months beginning in January 1997 for a modular building to house the offices for the LDS church is that correct? Baelsten: That is correct. Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I would direct the question to our standard for what we have done for every other church or every other organization that has asked for this type of thing is it is one year grant with a renewal right (inaudible). So that would be in my mind the same standard, that you would need to come to also. Do you have any problem with that? Balesten: I don't believe that would be a problem. There is another building that is going to be under construction I think that anticipated date is going to be about 18 months but I don't think it would be a problem. I am glad we don't need any water or sewer. Rountree: I think that answers my question you would be looking at 12 months and then if you need an extension you have 12 more months assuming that we go with this. Morrow: And you do need to make that formal application to the City for an extension. have no other questions Mr. Mayor. Cowie: Council, any further questions? Questions of staff? Morrow: Shari and Gary any issues with this? There being no issues, I would move that we grant the temporary office building to the LDS church for a period of 12 months beginning January 1, 1997 to run to January 1, 1998 with the option of a one year extension upon application of the church at that time. Bentley: Second Come: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Bentley, any further discussion on the Meridian City Council December 3, 1996 Page 23 motion? All those in favor? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All Yea ITEM #9: DISCUSSION OF LANDSCAPED BERM FOR MORNING GLORY N0.2: Corrie: Shari? Hunnemiller: Mayor and Councilmen I am Russ Hunnemiller, I guess I have to get it clarified on my subdivision, how to fd that berm in with the City ordinance. Do you have a plat there? (Inaudible) and to fit the City ordinance. The way my engineer did it we have got, we will have a berm easemenrt here on the back of these lots then we have our easement, utility easements in front of that. So that keeps anybody {inaudible) 30 foot of the back property line. My idea is I have no problem landscaping it but I want it to be part of the homeowners lots even if the association through the CC&R's has to maintain it. But I can't see fencing it out toward the tracks where it benefits nobody and then (inaudible) to maintain it at their expense for what (inaudible). I can understand City ordinance on pine or that (inaudible) thousands of people going by everyday (inaudible) back of the tracks I can't see where it is of any use. Corrie: Shari when did the ordinance go into effect? Stiles: I believe that ordinance was in effect in 1984. Hunnemiller: Okay, if the ordinance (inaudible) Rountree: I believe a condition of the final plat item 7 in one of the letters of conditions it says there will be a 20 foot planting strip along the railroad corridor should be designated as a common area and the planting strip is required by the ordinance. That is a condition of the final plat approval. So if you want final plat approval that is a condition you have to meet. Hunnemiller: Mr. Councilman we can meet that and the way I look at it (inaudible) Morrow: I think if 1 might, the discussion in teens of item 7 was and we have talked about in the conditions of approval where the common lot concept has been adopted by the City because we have had nothing but failures every time it has been an easement situation or an individual lot owner maintenance situation. Now I think that also although when this ordinance was adopted I wasn't part of any of that but I do know that the railroad track right of way the 200 foot right of way has been protected by the City of Meridian to be u~imately used for not only normal passenger and rail freight usage but for a mass transit corridor • Meridian City Council November 6, 1996 Page 4 requesting that the Meridian City Council defer consideration of the amended findings of fact and conclusions of law until November 19, 1996 so that they can meet with the City Attorney and go over some of the items that they had discussed in the letter. Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I would move to table to November 19 Rountree: Second Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree that we table the findings of fact and conclusions of law for the conditional use permit request until November 19 meeting, any further discussion? All those in favor? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All Yea ITEM #4: REQUEST APPROVAL FOR PROPOSED MERIDIAN PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH: Corrie: Council, I believe you also got a notice that they would like to have this tabled to a later date. They did not give any time so I guess it is up to you to do that. Morrow: Mr. Mayor I would move that we table until the 19th and in the interim have the City Clerk make contact with those folk and see if there is another tentative date other than the 19th to table to. Rountree: Second Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree to table until the 19th and have the Clerk contact them and see if a later date would be better then do so, any further discussion? All those in favor? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All Yea ITEM #5: REQUEST APPROVAL FOR PROPOSED REMODEL OF EXISTING LDS CHURCH AT CHERRY LANE AND TEN MILE ROAD: Corrie: Is a representative from the Church here today that would like to give us some information? Would you please come up and state your name please for the record? Simmons: Thank you Mr. Mayor and members of the Council my name is Steve Simmons with Lombard Conrad Architects in Boise, 1221 Shoreline Drive. I appreciate the opportunity to discuss this project with you this evening it is a little bit of an odd one in the Meridian City Council November 6, 1996 Page 5 sense that trying to find records as to how the building came there in the first place is a little bit odd. The best we can figure it was perhaps annexed but we are not sure. So it is existing in an R-4 zone which Ms. Stiles letter and recommendations outlines is prohibited in that particular zone. But tonight we are asking permission to add on approximately 1248 foot addition to the end of the facility to accommodate some of the growth that the Church is experiencing at this time. Ms. Stiles has requested in the letter that we received this evening that the additional 45 foot right of way be granted. I have discussed that with the Church representative Mr. Garth Jenson who is here this evening as well. There is not a real problem with that except it does impact a few things and we would need some clarification on setbacks particularly as far as the front setbacks from that street. I have outlined a few things here. I can show you in regards to that if you would like. I believed you received (Inaudible) according to the survey that we have -since obtained the jog that they are talking about, there is a 45 foot right of way granted over to about 1/3 of the addition over in this direction over and then it jogs back to less than that on this direction here. So the 45 foot that we are requesting is not a problem to extend it just impacts a little bit of the setbacks in that area. Right now the building is sitting about 32 feet from the right of way which at least in the ordinance we have shows that (inaudible) the front setback in an R-4 zone. If taken to 45 feet at least in the worst case would be about 25 feet that setback would be reduced to instead of 30. We don't foresee that as a problem and that is something that I think needs to be addressed and clarified (inaudible). Other than that, there is no other impact for the project. I would be happy to entertain any questions or anything else from Ms. Stiles or the Council. Rountree: I just wanted to clarify a point you made that with the 45 foot from centerline right of way the buildings still has how many feet? Simmons: Twenty five, which is, and correct me if I am wrong but that is in compliance with a street side yard but not necessarily a front in that particular zone if we read that as an arterial or a collector street. Bentley: I have a question on if the proposed addition is encroaching on the setback requirements, would we be required to have a variance? Stiles: I would say yes that they would need to have a variance if it didn't meet the setback requirements for that zone. If you will excuse me one minute I will get the book and make sure of what it is in that zone. Simmons: I guess Mr. Mayor and members of the Council we would also like clarification perhaps on the height in that zone. I believe it is 35 feet for the building height but since we are looking at variance or definition of perhaps we can have some clarification on the steeple height falling under those same guidelines or not. • • Meridian City Counci! November 6, 1996 Page 6 Stiles: The setback in an R-4 zone is 30 feet for an arterial or collector and the maximum building height would be 35 feet.. Morrow: So Shari the question is do they need a variance for the (inaudible) you said the maximum building height is 35 feet. How high is your steeple Mr. Simmons? Simmons: It would certainly be in excess of 35 feet for the Steeple Councilman Morrow. Morrow: So I guess the question is are we cutting hairs here, is the steeple classified as part of the building or is it classified as something else? The building is less than 35 feet in terms of height but the steeple takes it over the 35 feet. So do we have, do we have classifications Stiles: I don't believe a steeple would be considered as part of the building height. The building height is defined as the vertical distance measured from the average elevation of the proposed finished grade at the front of the building to the highest point of the roof for flat roofs, to the deck line of mansard roofs and the top of the buildings walls for gable hip and gambrel roofs. It doesn't say anything about projections such as a steeple. Simmons: Mr. Mayor, with the, if the owner agrees to grant the 45 foot right of way then we would in fact be in violation of the setback as defined in the ordinance under those criteria. Corrie: That is correct. Simmons: The only other option that Ms. Stiles outline would be a rezone which wasn't the intent but I am not sure what would be the lesser of the two evils the variance of the rezone. I am assuming a rezone would be much more difficult, it normally is. Since this is right across the street from a commercial venture Albertson's I believe is going in right 2~.ross the street or has gone. Corrie: Shari would that be a better way to go? Stiles: I don't know if it would be a better way to go. Rountree: Mr. Mayor, 1 can remember this project from a long time ago on Planning and Zoning. I don't know if any of the rest of you remember it from Council but it was my understanding that the zoning was appropriate at that time and the setbacks were applicable at that time. If they have changed with Ordinance changes or comprehensive plan changes is there a grand father function here that would come into play? I thought the area was rezoned with the annexation and the approval to build this. • Meridian City Council November 6, 1996 Page 7 • Stiles: It probably was it would be in the same classification as the 7th day adventist that got rezoned seven years ago and at that time it was a permitted use but since then it is no longer even permitted with the conditional use seeing as it is a 4 month process to rezone I don't believe on the setbacks there would be any grandfather clause that was applicable because they are building a new portion that is encroaching in that setback. So, grandfather rights would not extend to new construction. Tolsma: (Inaudible) Morrow: Well so in order to move this along then in order to clean all of that up then the easiest way for us to do that would be the variance from the setback and be on down the road. And then these folk can be timely about their construction. Four months seems to me is a little too long and also from the standpoint Ron raises a good point the Stonehouse Church we dealt with we dealt with the LDS church and we dealt with the Seventh Day Adventist Church and did we also not deal with that (inaudible) that is vacant and is on the corner there in some manner of zoning? Rountree: I don't think so, I think that is still residential isn't it? Stiles: Yes, the southeast corner, yes it is residential R-4. Tolsma: (Inaudible) Rountree: There was one parcel in that, that fronted Cherry at one point in time that was approved for a garden shop or nursery tree farm. I don't Stiles: (Inaudible) that was a little closer to that was a little further east and it was right adjacent to Haven Cove. I don't know that Ada County Highway District is going to request that 45 feet I was just stating that 45 feet from the centerline is what is typical that we have been requiring for all section line roads. Rountree: I think at the time of this it was 40 feet we were looking at an 80 foot total. Tolsma: What is ACHD's plans on widening Ten Mile? Morrow: Well Ron those plans (inaudible) Rountree: I think what you see is what you get. Morrow: The plan was is for the 90 foot right of way on all section line roads and ultimately the five lane build out. And so I think that right where this church is, is that not where the Meridian City Council November 6, 1996 Page 8 transition begins between the build out section that was done with the Albertsons issue and transitions back to the old (inaudible) right in this area. So the answer to the question is ultimately it will probably match the section (inaudible) where the Aibertson's thing is. Rountree: I have no difficulty looking at a variance on this. I think it is reasonable (inaudible). Morrow: Is there a (inaudible) Simmons: We certainly appreciate your time and efforts. We are not .opposed to going through the variance procedure if that is what it takes. We can also if you want work from both sides to get a feeling from ACRD as to their requirements. Since we haven't gone through the formal variance or they have not reviewed this other than our discussions with them. So we can certainly do that and get a fell (inaudible) if that is your request. Morrow: To give you the benefit of my feelings on this I think a variance is appropriate for the setback and I would support the variance. Simmons: Thank you Mr. Mayor and members of the Council. Corrie: So I guess Council we need a motion for approval of their proposed remodeling and let them go back and (inaudible). Morrow: You can't have a motion (Inaudible) no variance and no guidance. ITEM #6: DISCUSSION OF PROPOSED ANDERSON LUMBER PROJECT AT THE OLD IFA BUILDING ON FAIRVIEW AVENUE: Corrie: They have, Shari do you want to share with the Council what they have done there, what their request was? Stiles: Mr. Mayor and Council I received a phone call from a gentleman at Wright Brothers Construction who apparently was working with Anderson Lumber. His indication to me was that the cost had exceeded their budget at this location and that they may pursue just having a contractors yard at a parcel they purchased that would be near the Locust Grove extended and Pine Street. But unfortunately at this time they didn't think they could afford the remodel and all of the site improvements. Morrow: Okay, I guess the question would be is that since we are not asking for they are not asking for any formal action here we don't need to have a letter from them asking to be removed from the agenda.