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2001 06-210 CITY OF MERIDIAN MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION SPECIAL WORKSHOP AGENDA Thursday, June 21, 2001, at 6:00 P.M. City Council Chambers 7. Roil -call Attendance: 0 Sally Norton X Jerry Centers X Bill Nary _ 0 Keven Shreeve 0 Chairman Keith Borup 2. 3. Adoption of the Agenda: Discussion: Initial Overview of the Draft Comprehensive Plan: Presented by Planning and Zoning Department Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Workshop Agenda — June 21, 2001 Pegg 1 Of 1 Ali materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilities related to documents and/or hearings please contact the City Clerk's office at 888-4433 at least 48 hours prlor to the public meeting. ('5t ^.Ak # 3,e 01*}M_ A y U` f P440 iiai ,41v Y y 3 $47 La a pt:�r A A F ALM _ k�#. Y e p g. 'R+u�' t w R Y �^4I9 �� Sy , 0 CITY OF MERIDIAN MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION SPECIAL WORKSHOP AGENDA Thursday, June 21, 2001, at 6:00 P.M. City Council Chambers 7. Roil -call Attendance: 0 Sally Norton X Jerry Centers X Bill Nary _ 0 Keven Shreeve 0 Chairman Keith Borup 2. 3. Adoption of the Agenda: Discussion: Initial Overview of the Draft Comprehensive Plan: Presented by Planning and Zoning Department Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Workshop Agenda — June 21, 2001 Pegg 1 Of 1 Ali materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilities related to documents and/or hearings please contact the City Clerk's office at 888-4433 at least 48 hours prlor to the public meeting. ('5t ^.Ak # 3,e 01*}M_ A y U` f P440 iiai ,41v Y y 3 $47 a A A F ALM _ k�#. Y g. 'R+u�' Y �^4I9 �� MAYOR Robert D. Corrie CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS Ron Anderson. Keith Bird Tammy deWeerd Cherie McCandless ® HUB OF TREASURE VALLEY • A Good Place to Live k>,= CITY OF MERIDIAN 'lk 'ST } � 5 33 EAST IDAHO k MERIDIAN, IDAHO 83642 y (208) 888-4433 • Fax (208) 887-4813 PLANNING AND ZONING City Clerk Office Fax (208) 888-4218 DEPARTMENT } r . a MAYOR Robert D. Corrie CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS Ron Anderson. Keith Bird Tammy deWeerd Cherie McCandless ® HUB OF TREASURE VALLEY • A Good Place to Live F CITY OF MERIDIAN 'lk t �t } � 5 33 EAST IDAHO r�t;x MERIDIAN, IDAHO 83642 h.. (208) 888-4433 • Fax (208) 887-4813 PLANNING AND ZONING City Clerk Office Fax (208) 888-4218 DEPARTMENT } r . a �s F g }� Y ti tl MAYOR Robert D. Corrie CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS Ron Anderson. Keith Bird Tammy deWeerd Cherie McCandless ® HUB OF TREASURE VALLEY • A Good Place to Live LEGAL DEPARTMENT CITY OF MERIDIAN 'lk t �t PUBLIC WORKS 33 EAST IDAHO r�t;x MERIDIAN, IDAHO 83642 h.. (208) 888-4433 • Fax (208) 887-4813 PLANNING AND ZONING City Clerk Office Fax (208) 888-4218 DEPARTMENT r . �s g MAYOR Robert D. Corrie CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS Ron Anderson. Keith Bird Tammy deWeerd Cherie McCandless ® HUB OF TREASURE VALLEY • A Good Place to Live LEGAL DEPARTMENT CITY OF MERIDIAN (208) 288-2499 • Fax 288-2501 t �t PUBLIC WORKS 33 EAST IDAHO BUILDING DEPARTMENT MERIDIAN, IDAHO 83642 (208) 887-2211 • Fax 887-1297 (208) 888-4433 • Fax (208) 887-4813 PLANNING AND ZONING City Clerk Office Fax (208) 888-4218 DEPARTMENT (208) 884-5533 • Fax 888-6854 NOTICE OF SPECIAL WORKSHOP MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission will hold a Special Workshop at City Hall, 33 East Idaho Avenue, Meridian, Idaho, on Thursday, June 21st, 2001 at 6:00 p.m. The Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission will be discussing initial overview of the draft comprehensive plan. The public is welcome to attend. DATED this 8th day of June, 2001. Or - O 11 -� - WILLIAM G. BERG, JR. - CITV CLERK F r. b t �t a F r. b t �t 5 �s g } r3 t s> } P S' t, OR The special workshop of the Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission was called to order at 6:00 P.M. on Thursday, June21, 2001, by Chairman Keith Borup. Commissioners Present: Keith Borup, Bill Nary, and Jerry Centers. Commissioners Absent: Sally Norton and Keven Shreeve. Others Present: Steve Siddoway, Bruce Freckleton, and Will Berg. Item 1. Roll -call Attendance: O Sally Norton X Jerry Centers X Bill Nary O Keven Shreeve X Chairman Keith Borup Borup: We'd like to begin our special workshop of the Planning and Zoning Commission for June 21s . The purpose today is to discuss the Comprehensive Plan, plan of action. Our first Public Hearing is the 2e. Nary: One week from tonight, Borup: Do we have a definite place? Is it the high school? Berg: Meridian High School Auditorium. Borup: Do you really think there's going to be that many people there? Nary: I guess we'll find out. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: Now, have you got any more information on a format? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: That's one thing that I'd like to do maybe just see what staffs got then maybe discuss how we would want to approach that. I've got a couple ideas. Siddoway: Why don't we maybe briefly talk about some of the logistics related to the meeting itself? Then we do have something that (inaudible) go over briefly which is my understanding from the last meeting. I wasn't here but there was some question about how the draft relates, the proposed Comp Plan relates to the 93 plan, what's been changed and why has it been changed? Brad and 1, P h k° �"I A� Meridian Planning and Zoninommission Special Workshop O June 21, 2001 Page 2 yesterday and today put (inaudible) together that addresses just that so, we'll go through that a little bit. The location is the High School Auditorium right Will? The time, I have down 6:00 and 6:30. (inaudible). Borup: Do you have a copy of the letter? Siddoway: I don't so I am wondering which it really is because I keep hearing different times. Borup: I'm not going to tell you what it is but I'll read what it is. Freckleton: 6:30. Siddoway: We have it reserved until like 10:30, actually 11:00 but quit at like 10:30 to get people out of there by 11:00. Talking with Shari, some of the concerns that her staff had at the time, they didn't think really that we should probably go a real late meeting anticipating that we're probably going to have to have another meeting to follow up. (Inaudible) four hours from 6:30 to 10:30 anyway. (Inaudible). Just cut it off at 10:30 then lead people out If there's still testimony, continue it. The continuation, (inaudible) determine location at that time. The auditorium at the high school is going to be under going some carpet replacement. (Inaudible). We may not be able to have it there at the next meeting but at least we'll get a feel for how many people are there. Borup: (Inaudible) know how much we need next time? Siddoway: Yes I'll be kind of getting with the district to see some options if we have to go to the middle school for a larger area. Freckleton: Assuming it is continued, do we have -- have you talked with the other Commissioners about dates that they would want to continue to because they usually are special meetings? (Inaudible) Borup: I guess in my mind, I was anticipating that it would. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: You can always decide at the meeting. Centers: What are they generally 30 days apart? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: It doesn't have to be re -noticed because its continued. Xp qSq .5 2f : s � Nq 8 _ TT� f: M: K r3 l*3Sttj h `i G . roP.r. Meridian Planning and Zoninommission Special Workshop O June 21, 2001 Page 2 yesterday and today put (inaudible) together that addresses just that so, we'll go through that a little bit. The location is the High School Auditorium right Will? The time, I have down 6:00 and 6:30. (inaudible). Borup: Do you have a copy of the letter? Siddoway: I don't so I am wondering which it really is because I keep hearing different times. Borup: I'm not going to tell you what it is but I'll read what it is. Freckleton: 6:30. Siddoway: We have it reserved until like 10:30, actually 11:00 but quit at like 10:30 to get people out of there by 11:00. Talking with Shari, some of the concerns that her staff had at the time, they didn't think really that we should probably go a real late meeting anticipating that we're probably going to have to have another meeting to follow up. (Inaudible) four hours from 6:30 to 10:30 anyway. (Inaudible). Just cut it off at 10:30 then lead people out If there's still testimony, continue it. The continuation, (inaudible) determine location at that time. The auditorium at the high school is going to be under going some carpet replacement. (Inaudible). We may not be able to have it there at the next meeting but at least we'll get a feel for how many people are there. Borup: (Inaudible) know how much we need next time? Siddoway: Yes I'll be kind of getting with the district to see some options if we have to go to the middle school for a larger area. Freckleton: Assuming it is continued, do we have -- have you talked with the other Commissioners about dates that they would want to continue to because they usually are special meetings? (Inaudible) Borup: I guess in my mind, I was anticipating that it would. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: You can always decide at the meeting. Centers: What are they generally 30 days apart? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: It doesn't have to be re -noticed because its continued. Xp qSq .5 2f : � Nq 8 _ TT� f: M: K r3 l*3Sttj k �F k 8'tq G . roP.r. i nT Meridian Planning and Zoninommission Special Workshop O June 21, 2001 Page 2 yesterday and today put (inaudible) together that addresses just that so, we'll go through that a little bit. The location is the High School Auditorium right Will? The time, I have down 6:00 and 6:30. (inaudible). Borup: Do you have a copy of the letter? Siddoway: I don't so I am wondering which it really is because I keep hearing different times. Borup: I'm not going to tell you what it is but I'll read what it is. Freckleton: 6:30. Siddoway: We have it reserved until like 10:30, actually 11:00 but quit at like 10:30 to get people out of there by 11:00. Talking with Shari, some of the concerns that her staff had at the time, they didn't think really that we should probably go a real late meeting anticipating that we're probably going to have to have another meeting to follow up. (Inaudible) four hours from 6:30 to 10:30 anyway. (Inaudible). Just cut it off at 10:30 then lead people out If there's still testimony, continue it. The continuation, (inaudible) determine location at that time. The auditorium at the high school is going to be under going some carpet replacement. (Inaudible). We may not be able to have it there at the next meeting but at least we'll get a feel for how many people are there. Borup: (Inaudible) know how much we need next time? Siddoway: Yes I'll be kind of getting with the district to see some options if we have to go to the middle school for a larger area. Freckleton: Assuming it is continued, do we have -- have you talked with the other Commissioners about dates that they would want to continue to because they usually are special meetings? (Inaudible) Borup: I guess in my mind, I was anticipating that it would. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: You can always decide at the meeting. Centers: What are they generally 30 days apart? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: It doesn't have to be re -noticed because its continued. Xp qSq .5 2f : � Nq { TT� f: M: y x r3 l*3Sttj + t„ qSq .5 2f : � W { TT� f: M: G . , xq �y, #Ai $ t ,moi. ��+:;: �n � t e�uwx x ai it A" Meridian Planning and Zoninommission Special workshop e June 21, 2001 Page 3 Berg: It just has to be continued and make sure at that meeting that we tell when and where. Centers: Maybe we can discuss it that night? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: i think it would be good if we have stuff already in mind. Centers: Yes, so we get it (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: The only thoughts I had were (inaudible). Centers: (Inaudible) any other ideas on how to handle it. I don't know why we couldn't go through and see if there are any questions on maybe Chapter 1 by itself, I don't know. Or it could be lumped in. Really Chapter 1 through 6 and any testimony on that stuff can be handled all at once. I'd be surprised if we got more than two people. Siddoway: Actually, let me jump in here. In terms of what I think you were asking, the time limit on the testimony, Shari had said that it was decided in the joint meeting with Council and Commission there would be 3 minutes per person unless they are (inaudible). Nary: I don't think we made that clear. Borup: That was discussed. My question on that is how do determine whether they're speaking for a group? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: You have to be clear up front that if they are speaking for a group they need to state so up front. Centers: The problem we have, sometimes, is they're speaking for a group and then everybody in their group gets up and talks too. Somebody in the group says well that isn't exactly the way I thought (inaudible). Borup: (Inaudible) and this guy stood up and started talking. I said you raised your hand that the other person for you -- why are you up here talking? He said I didn't understand what you meant. Siddoway: Depending on the size if its a really large size, it could be quite important to be pretty vigilant on that time. r �a rr C�= . . . . . . . . . . . ..... a * L y � Ln j y s.. f�a Vie;• �r Meridian Planning and Zoninommission Special workshop e June 21, 2001 Page 3 Berg: It just has to be continued and make sure at that meeting that we tell when and where. Centers: Maybe we can discuss it that night? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: i think it would be good if we have stuff already in mind. Centers: Yes, so we get it (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: The only thoughts I had were (inaudible). Centers: (Inaudible) any other ideas on how to handle it. I don't know why we couldn't go through and see if there are any questions on maybe Chapter 1 by itself, I don't know. Or it could be lumped in. Really Chapter 1 through 6 and any testimony on that stuff can be handled all at once. I'd be surprised if we got more than two people. Siddoway: Actually, let me jump in here. In terms of what I think you were asking, the time limit on the testimony, Shari had said that it was decided in the joint meeting with Council and Commission there would be 3 minutes per person unless they are (inaudible). Nary: I don't think we made that clear. Borup: That was discussed. My question on that is how do determine whether they're speaking for a group? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: You have to be clear up front that if they are speaking for a group they need to state so up front. Centers: The problem we have, sometimes, is they're speaking for a group and then everybody in their group gets up and talks too. Somebody in the group says well that isn't exactly the way I thought (inaudible). Borup: (Inaudible) and this guy stood up and started talking. I said you raised your hand that the other person for you -- why are you up here talking? He said I didn't understand what you meant. Siddoway: Depending on the size if its a really large size, it could be quite important to be pretty vigilant on that time. r �a rr C�= * L y � Ln j y Meridian Planning and ZoninlLftion Special Workshop June 21, 2001 Page 4 Borup: Well, I can do that. We've got a timer. We haven't used it much lately but it's been all right. Centers: How did the people receive notice? Siddoway: A lot of people have been tracking it through the process and have been on our mailing list to get it sent out. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Freckleton: We have a list of everyone who's been involved to date and has requested to be on it. They were all sent notice about the draft coming out 1 didn't see the latter that went to them. I think it went out before we had a specific (inaudible). So, I'm not sure how specific it was on the hearing date. It has definitely been noticed in the statesman. How else have you noticed? Berg: It's gone publicly, or published in the Statesman and in the Valley Times. We've faxed it out to a lot of different companies as well as our normal public buildings to have them post it. We're going to try to get it out to more people. Siddoway: Definitely out to the Chamber of Commerce. Berg: They're always faxed. (Inaudible). Borup: Has there been much response back? Siddoway: Surprisingly little frankly. I was getting more calls before the final draft went out than after. I was getting two and three calls a day before it went out asking when's it going to be out. As soon as it was out, we haven't had any requests to examine after I thought. The book in a three ring binder so it's a little bit easier for you to look at and compare the suggested amendments to the draft to the June 2& draft. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Centers: If they wanted a copy of the draft, how do they get it? Siddoway: We have copies. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: (Inaudible) that's what the letter said, if they wanted a copy they could come and pick one up. Meridian Planning and Zoninvommission Special Workshop • June 21, 2001 Page 5 Borup: Pretty much everything's going to be on Chapter 7 then? Is that your feeling? Siddoway: (Inaudible) what is Chapter 7? Borup: The Urban Service Area, the map and the Land Use. Pretty much everything that we think of when we think of the Comp Pian. Siddoway: Yes there will be some on six too, transportation and the roads. ft i (inaudible). Borup: I did have a lot of questions on transportation. Meridian Road (inaudible). Siddoway: Yes, Shari brought that up today. :v Borup: I asked her about that when I talked to her. Siddoway: My hunch is that its an oversight from when Brad was drafting that section. Meridian Kuna Highway is in there. He was thinking Meridian Road was covered. Borup: No the notes here specifically deleted it because it was already in the first, -- in the draft. It was deleted from the changes. Siddoway: The draft says to delete? Borup: No, it was included in the draft but the revision notes said to delete it, Siddoway: Wow, what page is that on? (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: On Page 5 deals with (inaudible). Here we go, (inaudible) arterials. Replace list as shown on Page 3. It doesn't say to delete Meridian Road. Borup: No, but that's what happened. It says replace the list with the following ' list. The list is the same except for Meridian Road. Siddoway: That is the same except for it? (Inaudible). Borup: It looked to me like it was all the same. There it is right here. Siddoway: A lot of what was taken out was east of Black Cat Road, (inaudible) Ten Mile Road, north of Victory Road. All of those references are out because 41' a, ?, r krEr `SE tto S XV 4 . P00, �g�.1k`yF x ,-ZE, Yry `fi�9 L .43 a f fit...: g,i;`U^#i , �5��,4� �'.� tu:+ j{`�}' av7'El'°fv`?b �i. ��`$'y"<_{+ t's€ y,:fi,n f i'h T F e rt NZ 4a ��Y`ti ^"3>:ro }rz, 4}`t.�a•e' 4'1 t 2 A - �a' 1 "� 7 ti .1Y,Yr sfi"€�,4' t�.7 �' M`4.°I`��?at i� .y d '$, �y� c`r4' �`i��# 9 ;P ".. i �3 r �z, k �� ,�, ��$%➢tar w'Sq$ X 'F t �x< rFS L+r�.,N�a'.4 iaR N .�� Ff'ya ?, r krEr c7pp �,3 S 4 . Meridian Planning and ZoninflLmission Special Workshop June 21, 2001 Page 6 we designating the entire road as an arterial rather than just Cherry Lane east of Black Cat Road. (Inaudible). All of those qualifiers (inaudible). Borup: I was comparing the wrong list. I was comparing — Siddoway: I'm on Page 50 in the book and Page 3 in the amendment. Borup: 1 was comparing the arterial list of the collectors. Okay. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: I'll make a note to look over that. Borup: Oh, it's the same. It just needs to say between Ustick Road and (inaudible). Really I just (inaudible) Siddoway: Yes that's really what it does. You have to delete the qualifiers. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: Then That Kuna Meridian Road thing just got abbreviated. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Centers: I was thinking Highway 69. Typically where does that start? At the freeway? Siddoway: I think it starts at the freeway, technically. Borup: When I saw that that's what I thought that meant. Siddoway: Maybe you should just add Meridian Road. Borup: Unless there's a reason to eliminate them. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: No, that was not the intention. I'll make a note. In terms of the hearing itself, the organization of how to take the testimony, you do it chapter by chapter. Kind of like you do (inaudible). It was also discussed whether to take the geographic areas of the City (inaudible) on actual land use information. (Inaudible) the other way would be to organize it by topic. Okay, everyone who wants to talk about the Urban Service Planning Area boundary. Everyone who wants to talk about neighborhood centers. Do it that way. All of those have faults for one reason another but, leaving it open (inaudible). We are actually going to talk with our consultant tomorrow. We have a meeting tomorrow Meridian Planning and Zonirkmission Special Workshop June 21, 2001 Mage 7 morning at 10:30. (Inaudible) talk about (inaudible) she's gone through several (inaudible). Get her input on how to structure the testimony taking. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: Are you going to have a (inaudible)? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: I don't know one by one. I just looking (inaudible) (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: The first 6 chapters I don't think we're going to get many comments. Just get that out of the way. Nary: If you want to decide and it doesn't matter to me. Most of the time, public, you know it's very hard for people to focus their comments in one area if they have three different (inaudible). If you want to not just take it all in mass. What we can do, since we didn't notice it up (inaudible)? We can use sign up lists and identify on the sign up lists, you can sign up more than once under different areas of topic. Whether its by geographic section, whether it's by subject matter (inaudible) you can sign up where you want then when you get done (inaudible) get those lists. Depending on how many people are there, if those lists are you know 5 pages each, you might be able to announce at the beginning of the meeting now that we've gotten this. We have this many on this subject and this much on this subject (inaudible) and decide at the beginning how do we want to do this. Do we want to simply have 5 subject areas that have 5 people a piece on it, one that has 100 people on it? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: I don't care but you can announce it up front. We're going to do these first. We're going to do this next. If you're here on that subject that's fine. If you're not it may be a little bit, we can't say how long its going to be. We're going to get through those lists. We'll ask at the end of each session is there anybody else that wants to talk about that subject matter that we were on. If not, great then we'll go on to the next list and we'll talk about that. That way the people will know right from the get go when they walk in the door, if they want to sign up, you know if we're doing it by chapters and they want to sign up for 4 chapters, or if we're doing it by geographics or whatever they can sign up on whatever ones they wanted to. Then there's some structure for them (inaudible). Then the other people are going to, hopefully, the first person that gets up and he's signed up on whatever subject matter list number one is and he starts talking about something else. You're going to be able to say, no all we're taking is this one right now and the other people in the audience are going to be going a � u: 4�A a Meridian Planning and Zoninfimmission Special workshop June 21, 2001 Page 8 they're doing that because I want to get my two cents in and you're taking up time (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: (inaudible) to structure it right from the get go themselves. Borup: My choice is for subject matter. I can't see any other way to keep order and for us to keep track of what's being said. Centers: (inaudible) I think you're right. I think you've got to keep it in the same subject matter for the recording purposes so you can see where people had concerns about so if you want to make more changes you can. Otherwise you're going to be just flipping back and forth (inaudible). (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Freckleton: Are you going to do an introduction that explains what a Comprehensive Plan is so the people know all the facets that had to be put into this and so they can understand why we're doing this? Borup: Just about word for word that Bill said at the last meeting. (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: That's on of things (inaudible). That's the place I was going for. (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: The next thing I was going to ask about was the initial (inaudible). How much you wanted to see and how to present it. Most of the public won't have the benefit of these meetings that we've been through. Our initial thought is that we would have our consultant Sherie Freemuth do the initial presentation giving an over view of the Comprehensive Plan itself and the different topics that are addressed using some form of on screen (inaudible). It would go through the plan, perhaps by chapter, I don't know (inaudible) but just briefly hit on each one, what's covered and make sure we hit on the main topics that we know are going to be controversial. (Inaudible) about why they are doing that. Then whether its her, whether its Keith, somebody then make the initial presentation about how the hearing itself will be structured in terms of giving testimony like we were just talking about. The time limits, the topics, the order — Centers: Keith explains it then (inaudible) why we're running it the we're going to run it. is r k F .. U01( .i � Meridian Planning and Zoninmmission Special Workshop June 21, 2001 Page 9 Siddoway: I would anticipate that presentation would be on the lines of 30 minutes. Freckleton: Wouldn't you want that presentation ahead of the people signing up? Nary: (Inaudible) I mean if we're going to do it by — (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: (Inaudible) chapter. Keith (inaudible). Borup: No, not necessarily. Siddoway: I have an idea what a lot of the subjects are going to be. Borup: That's what I was — maybe we need to go through that. I don't know, definitions is one subject by itself. Freckleton: (Inaudible) subject sign up sheet do you want to have? Borup: I think the map and the Urban Service Planning Area are the two big — Siddoway: The Urban Service Planning Area is part of the map. I'll go over with you tonight where we think most of the — Borup: Here's (inaudible) on the explanation. First explain to the people what a Comprehensive Plan is, how it's used by the Planning and Zoning Commission and the City. How its processed and developed and how the Comp Plan gets put together and give them a history. (Inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: Talk about what a Comprehensive Plan is, how the City uses a Comprehensive Plan, a little bit about the process that we've gone through to get here and then launch into the contents. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: Yes. Nary: Give them the state statutes. This isn't something that we just made up — Borup: The state requires. (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) � F f e'3 t � F f e'3 fy { 1 ¢ i3 Meridian Planning and Zonin#nmMlon Special workshop June 21, 2001 Page 10 Siddoway: I made some extras too. Borup: This is what you're saying would be the subjects what you've already got here? Siddoway: Yes that's why I gave you the original. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Freckleton: This is what Steve thinks will be the main — Borup: The main subjects? Siddoway: This represents what we see as the main changes to the 93 plan. Okay. Borup: This looks good. Siddoway: We've got 10 minutes so I will get them rather quickly. No. 1 is the Urban Service Planning Area. Most of the written comments that we receive are on this topic. The Urban Service Planning Area — (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: That's probably going to be a meeting all by itself. Siddoway: The original (inaudible) plan, there was no distinction between Urban Service Planning are and the impact area. The impact area was the Urban Service Planning Area. (Inaudible) the original Comp Plan (inaudible) this and the Urban Service Planning did that. (Inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: What the change is that we brought it in to a smaller, more (inaudible) area. It represents the area that either has urban services available today or will have in the immediately foreseeable future. (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: The definition would be that we already have a time line basically in place for the White Drain. You know its things that are definitely in process, happening. (inaudible). This represents that boundary. These areas of (inaudible) are providing urban services, have (inaudible) available or the white drain case — Centers: How many of these do you have? � r N1, AA t: r a t F.tis �s h`ry 1 s r.$ } 4 � ,cr• x. �V. x s�. Meridian Planning and Zonin#nmMlon Special workshop June 21, 2001 Page 10 Siddoway: I made some extras too. Borup: This is what you're saying would be the subjects what you've already got here? Siddoway: Yes that's why I gave you the original. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Freckleton: This is what Steve thinks will be the main — Borup: The main subjects? Siddoway: This represents what we see as the main changes to the 93 plan. Okay. Borup: This looks good. Siddoway: We've got 10 minutes so I will get them rather quickly. No. 1 is the Urban Service Planning Area. Most of the written comments that we receive are on this topic. The Urban Service Planning Area — (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: That's probably going to be a meeting all by itself. Siddoway: The original (inaudible) plan, there was no distinction between Urban Service Planning are and the impact area. The impact area was the Urban Service Planning Area. (Inaudible) the original Comp Plan (inaudible) this and the Urban Service Planning did that. (Inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: What the change is that we brought it in to a smaller, more (inaudible) area. It represents the area that either has urban services available today or will have in the immediately foreseeable future. (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: The definition would be that we already have a time line basically in place for the White Drain. You know its things that are definitely in process, happening. (inaudible). This represents that boundary. These areas of (inaudible) are providing urban services, have (inaudible) available or the white drain case — Centers: How many of these do you have? � r AA t: a t F.tis Meridian Planning and Zonin#nmMlon Special workshop June 21, 2001 Page 10 Siddoway: I made some extras too. Borup: This is what you're saying would be the subjects what you've already got here? Siddoway: Yes that's why I gave you the original. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Freckleton: This is what Steve thinks will be the main — Borup: The main subjects? Siddoway: This represents what we see as the main changes to the 93 plan. Okay. Borup: This looks good. Siddoway: We've got 10 minutes so I will get them rather quickly. No. 1 is the Urban Service Planning Area. Most of the written comments that we receive are on this topic. The Urban Service Planning Area — (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: That's probably going to be a meeting all by itself. Siddoway: The original (inaudible) plan, there was no distinction between Urban Service Planning are and the impact area. The impact area was the Urban Service Planning Area. (Inaudible) the original Comp Plan (inaudible) this and the Urban Service Planning did that. (Inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: What the change is that we brought it in to a smaller, more (inaudible) area. It represents the area that either has urban services available today or will have in the immediately foreseeable future. (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: The definition would be that we already have a time line basically in place for the White Drain. You know its things that are definitely in process, happening. (inaudible). This represents that boundary. These areas of (inaudible) are providing urban services, have (inaudible) available or the white drain case — Centers: How many of these do you have? AA a t F.tis �s 1 s } 4 � ,cr• Meridian Planning and Zonin#nmMlon Special workshop June 21, 2001 Page 10 Siddoway: I made some extras too. Borup: This is what you're saying would be the subjects what you've already got here? Siddoway: Yes that's why I gave you the original. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Freckleton: This is what Steve thinks will be the main — Borup: The main subjects? Siddoway: This represents what we see as the main changes to the 93 plan. Okay. Borup: This looks good. Siddoway: We've got 10 minutes so I will get them rather quickly. No. 1 is the Urban Service Planning Area. Most of the written comments that we receive are on this topic. The Urban Service Planning Area — (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: That's probably going to be a meeting all by itself. Siddoway: The original (inaudible) plan, there was no distinction between Urban Service Planning are and the impact area. The impact area was the Urban Service Planning Area. (Inaudible) the original Comp Plan (inaudible) this and the Urban Service Planning did that. (Inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: What the change is that we brought it in to a smaller, more (inaudible) area. It represents the area that either has urban services available today or will have in the immediately foreseeable future. (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: The definition would be that we already have a time line basically in place for the White Drain. You know its things that are definitely in process, happening. (inaudible). This represents that boundary. These areas of (inaudible) are providing urban services, have (inaudible) available or the white drain case — Centers: How many of these do you have? a s pY 4 � ,cr• x 'µ� e } 4 ftftftiti *- i( Meridian Planning and Zonl Ission Special Workshop June 21, 2001 Page 11 Siddoway: How many what do I have? Centers: The maps. Siddoway: I have as many as you want. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: We need something set up on the easels before the meeting. Siddoway: We were talking about that, actually having some in the back of the room for the people (inaudible). Borup: Probably at least one up front for us. (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: What's that? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: Yes big maps. Centers: Do you have a color overhead or something? Siddoway: We could have it on the screen. Nary: Yes I mean that's what we should probably have when they're talking about certain subject matter. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: For instance, leave it in the text if they want to talk about a definition we should be able to put the text that they're talking about up on the screen. Siddoway: Maybe you just need a copy of the Comp Plan on overheads? Nary: Or if you have any in your computer, PowerPoint. You'll be able to pull up a page. Siddoway: We could do that. We might just have it in Word. Leave it in Word. Borup: That's what I was thinking. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) i 4ib 3 r y s SA. 5�.Ial z. t .A �.; `.A z �f p. ( ` i Q Meridian Planning and Zonl Ission Special Workshop June 21, 2001 Page 11 Siddoway: How many what do I have? Centers: The maps. Siddoway: I have as many as you want. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: We need something set up on the easels before the meeting. Siddoway: We were talking about that, actually having some in the back of the room for the people (inaudible). Borup: Probably at least one up front for us. (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: What's that? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: Yes big maps. Centers: Do you have a color overhead or something? Siddoway: We could have it on the screen. Nary: Yes I mean that's what we should probably have when they're talking about certain subject matter. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: For instance, leave it in the text if they want to talk about a definition we should be able to put the text that they're talking about up on the screen. Siddoway: Maybe you just need a copy of the Comp Plan on overheads? Nary: Or if you have any in your computer, PowerPoint. You'll be able to pull up a page. Siddoway: We could do that. We might just have it in Word. Leave it in Word. Borup: That's what I was thinking. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) i 4ib 3 r y s SA. 5�.Ial z. t .A �.; lS ;�5 t "1}f� Meridian Planning and Zonl Ission Special Workshop June 21, 2001 Page 11 Siddoway: How many what do I have? Centers: The maps. Siddoway: I have as many as you want. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: We need something set up on the easels before the meeting. Siddoway: We were talking about that, actually having some in the back of the room for the people (inaudible). Borup: Probably at least one up front for us. (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: What's that? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: Yes big maps. Centers: Do you have a color overhead or something? Siddoway: We could have it on the screen. Nary: Yes I mean that's what we should probably have when they're talking about certain subject matter. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: For instance, leave it in the text if they want to talk about a definition we should be able to put the text that they're talking about up on the screen. Siddoway: Maybe you just need a copy of the Comp Plan on overheads? Nary: Or if you have any in your computer, PowerPoint. You'll be able to pull up a page. Siddoway: We could do that. We might just have it in Word. Leave it in Word. Borup: That's what I was thinking. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) i 4ib 3 r y s ZNI t .A �.; ':u "1}f� s x� t Meridian Planning and Zonl Ission Special Workshop June 21, 2001 Page 11 Siddoway: How many what do I have? Centers: The maps. Siddoway: I have as many as you want. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: We need something set up on the easels before the meeting. Siddoway: We were talking about that, actually having some in the back of the room for the people (inaudible). Borup: Probably at least one up front for us. (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: What's that? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: Yes big maps. Centers: Do you have a color overhead or something? Siddoway: We could have it on the screen. Nary: Yes I mean that's what we should probably have when they're talking about certain subject matter. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: For instance, leave it in the text if they want to talk about a definition we should be able to put the text that they're talking about up on the screen. Siddoway: Maybe you just need a copy of the Comp Plan on overheads? Nary: Or if you have any in your computer, PowerPoint. You'll be able to pull up a page. Siddoway: We could do that. We might just have it in Word. Leave it in Word. Borup: That's what I was thinking. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) i 4ib 3 y s t .A "1}f� s Meridian Planning and Zonl Ission Special Workshop June 21, 2001 Page 11 Siddoway: How many what do I have? Centers: The maps. Siddoway: I have as many as you want. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: We need something set up on the easels before the meeting. Siddoway: We were talking about that, actually having some in the back of the room for the people (inaudible). Borup: Probably at least one up front for us. (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: What's that? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: Yes big maps. Centers: Do you have a color overhead or something? Siddoway: We could have it on the screen. Nary: Yes I mean that's what we should probably have when they're talking about certain subject matter. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: For instance, leave it in the text if they want to talk about a definition we should be able to put the text that they're talking about up on the screen. Siddoway: Maybe you just need a copy of the Comp Plan on overheads? Nary: Or if you have any in your computer, PowerPoint. You'll be able to pull up a page. Siddoway: We could do that. We might just have it in Word. Leave it in Word. Borup: That's what I was thinking. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) i 4ib 3 x� t Meridian Planning and ZoninOLIssion Special Workshop June 21, 2001 Page 12 Nary: But, you know what I'm saying? That way the whole audience knows exactly where we're focused at so they're not all lost. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Centers: (Inaudible) from the public or the input that you've gotten between the, I guess the difference between the area of impact and the Urban Service Planning Area is that they're two different things. What's the basis for them? I mean I understand what — Siddoway: We haven't heard any confusion. What we've heard — (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: We just heard reaction to we want to develop. Why are you putting (inaudible)? Centers: I hate to interrupt Steve because (inaudible) but how many square miles or acres have you decreased it from the 1993? Siddoway: I would have to count. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine (inaudible) twelve, thirteen, fourteen (inaudible). It would probably be more than that. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Centers, (inaudible) some of them, I mean (inaudible) most of the comment is we want to be in the area that's developable and (inaudible) and services are provided. I guess I wonder are we going to have a lot of people saying why are there two different things? The area of impact versus the Urban Service Planning Area. Siddoway: Here's the why. Why was the change made? One, its an effort to establish priority growth areas where urban services are readily available. We're saying these are the priorities now. The City's position is we're still committed to providing services to the entire Impact area within the 10 -year time frame. We're still committed to that. Ail the way out is still anticipated to be part of the City. We're not saying we're not giving you services. We're saying services aren't available and we're prioritizing the area within services -- are because of the glut of development applications that have come in, wanting to develop helter skelter throughout the impact area without regard to continuity and things, this draws that line initially. Close in to the City limits then that line can be amended. It can be amended next year. it can be amended by the developers through a process which is outlined in the plan where they have to show that urban services are either now available or fully committed. �• 9 tn`i. �f' X � rs �N '.. .:� k tk , 1 } G 4 �yµ' IA ~r` a 3rS3 p "a. �• 9 tn`i. �f' X �N L } G 4 IA �s �• 9 tn`i. �f' Meridian Planning and ion LIsslon Special Workshop June 21, 2001 Page 13 Borup: Will there be discussion on changing that (inaudible)? Siddoway: Changing what? Borup: The time. (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: Right now its every 6 months (inaudible). (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: There was just some discussion last meeting. I think Shari was saying change it to 12 months rather than 6. (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: So, that's Siete Statute? (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: Okay that's what I was wondering. Freckleton: Steve is there some (inaudible) definition of Urban Service Planning Area? Could it be called the priority Urban Service Planning Area? I mean that might be part of the Confusions, people think that that dashed line is a line in the sand that we're not crossing. Siddoway: Right. Freckleton: But if we said priority Urban Service Area — Centers: I like that Bruce. Nary: Something like that. 1 guess maybe because that, at least some of the stuff I've seen so far, is that is exactly like Bruce said. The perception by people that this is it for two years and the other one's 8 years away. Siddoway: We're not saying we're not going to get services. We're saying services aren't currently available. Nary: Right. Siddoway: Before we bring you into it, show us that — (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) MIR v .. ,y 4 �$' _y y; '3 x5tpt 4 p S 4� s a �x a x � y f kMO 'A^i�r• ip 1P, Y w V7� fi4Y `F� i't" II �. yy�p, 4 s T, 10, a sase��a i y.3r hi y 85...,. ; i 15 ;0 11011, t �yyg 6 w h F S 4� s a a mv' 4 Meridian Planning and Zdn*nrdssW- Special workshop June 21, 2001 Paige 14 Freckleton: Since the terminology isn't statutory that might get away from that impression. Like I said, (inaudible) but if you have something like Phase 1, Phase 2. Something that shows that there's some continuity to what the intent is. That might take some of the heartburn (inaudible). Priority 1, Priority 2, something In that direction. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Freckleton: Where you've got the box that says impact area what if it said impact area slash build out Urban Service Planning Area. Or something just to show that this is our priority line, this is where our ultimate build out is. At least as of today, the impact area is the line in the sand because that's the furthest it can go. Siddoway: Right that is the line. Borup: I was going to ask that of everybody else stay until 9:00. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: i was anticipating this. I was maybe wanting to get to some of the other stuff. Maybe think about, maybe this is the only priority. I don't know if we'd want to talk about any of the ordinance changes and stuff. Freckleton: The other stuff isn't so maybe that's way to get that message across. ,w t (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) %i Siddoway: By drawing the line too and not allowing development outside of it until urban services are available is, the developer can actually work with the City '{ on the standard issues of park sites, well sites. Fire Station sites, those public � services that are needed to really make that area truly serviceable. Then okay, you know, you fully committed a park site in one form or another. You've either sold or something or whatever. Water, sewer is available, urban services are available now we say yes. Urban services are available we can adjust the line so � kR the development happens. After they meet certain criteria. z.; Centers: That's what my concern is about. (inaudible) 5 -acre subdivisions. Then how do you develop that? You don't. Freckleton: Will brought up a suggestion on just tonight's process because I � t 4 don't want to cut to short and -- appears that our agenda now, we only have one k,r item if you want to adjourn for a bit. When we get (inaudible) then we'll come back to this so you don't have to (inaudible). Borup: I was going to ask that of everybody else stay until 9:00. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: i was anticipating this. I was maybe wanting to get to some of the other stuff. Maybe think about, maybe this is the only priority. I don't know if we'd want to talk about any of the ordinance changes and stuff. �n �r y q � yv r :r � kR z.; � t 4 t .a f � Xx� t M a �Il°� �s y. lktr s n RF k t x �&s � J�R OO t f f� y 4 i, s9 t Moidian Planning and ZonALmis M Special Workshop June 21, 2001 Page 15 Freckleton: See, I was just talking to Bill. I just don't want you to get your mind focused on this and then all of a sudden you don't get all your questions answered, you're adjourning. Then it's the 28th. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: This is our last it's a week from today. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Freckleton: Just recess from this until after the regular meeting and then adjourn the regular meeting and come back to your workshop and refocus and get some of these questions and (inaudible). Nary: What I've looked at so far, I really like this memo. I think it helps (inaudible). Siddoway: What we hope is that this could be a reference for you. When you're being asked why is this done? Well, we have this section, why was this change made? We have that for each of them and hopefully that will help. Nary: Are the criterias explained too? Like what you were saying what the City's looking at (inaudible) progressive development and the City basically developing from the inside out. The time limits aren't necessarily fixed in 2 year, 5 year, 8 years, or whatever. They're fixed by the availability of the service. You know if we get the availability of the service out to that particular area within 2 years that's fine. Then it's available for development. If it takes us 5 years to reach it then its 5 years. It's not a fixed time limit because that's what the City looks at whether its annexation or any type of development (inaudible). That way I think it's another mindset to get people out of the mindset. You're not going to have to wait 5 years. If you help us get those things there and thars the way (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: The White Trunk line (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: I think this would be a good time to go ahead and adjourn. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: Thats what 1 meant to say. Centers: I move that we recess this workshop until after our regular meeting tonight. .a t y. lktr Moidian Planning and ZonALmis M Special Workshop June 21, 2001 Page 15 Freckleton: See, I was just talking to Bill. I just don't want you to get your mind focused on this and then all of a sudden you don't get all your questions answered, you're adjourning. Then it's the 28th. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: This is our last it's a week from today. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Freckleton: Just recess from this until after the regular meeting and then adjourn the regular meeting and come back to your workshop and refocus and get some of these questions and (inaudible). Nary: What I've looked at so far, I really like this memo. I think it helps (inaudible). Siddoway: What we hope is that this could be a reference for you. When you're being asked why is this done? Well, we have this section, why was this change made? We have that for each of them and hopefully that will help. Nary: Are the criterias explained too? Like what you were saying what the City's looking at (inaudible) progressive development and the City basically developing from the inside out. The time limits aren't necessarily fixed in 2 year, 5 year, 8 years, or whatever. They're fixed by the availability of the service. You know if we get the availability of the service out to that particular area within 2 years that's fine. Then it's available for development. If it takes us 5 years to reach it then its 5 years. It's not a fixed time limit because that's what the City looks at whether its annexation or any type of development (inaudible). That way I think it's another mindset to get people out of the mindset. You're not going to have to wait 5 years. If you help us get those things there and thars the way (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: The White Trunk line (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: I think this would be a good time to go ahead and adjourn. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: Thats what 1 meant to say. Centers: I move that we recess this workshop until after our regular meeting tonight. .a y. �&s 4 i, s9 Meridian Planning and Z0=V1barnmission Special workshop June 21, 2001 Page 16 Nary: I second that. Borup: Motion's second. All in favor? MOTION CARRIED: TWO AYES, TWO ABSENT RECESSED AT 6:58 P.M. RECONVENED AT 8:57 P.M. Borup: Okay, we're reconvening our Planning and Zoning workshop for discussion of our Comp Plan. I would like to start in with the presentation by Mr. Siddoway. Siddoway: Just for the record again we're going over the memo dated June 200', yesterday's date by Brad Hawkins -Clark and myself. This is a summary of the major changes in the Comprehensive Plan from the 1993 plan to the proposed plan that's going through now and where we expect the most questions. We are hoping this would be of use to you in answering some of the questions that will be asked as to what's changed and why. We've already kind of gone through the Urban Service Planning Area boundary. Do you have any questions about that before we move on? Nary: What did you think about the idea that was brought up about — (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: Yes, identifying some of them. Borup: That's essentially what (inaudible). Nary: Well, I think that's the intent I just think the way -- (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: (Inaudible) people all hot and bothered that you know — anti -development and it isn't intended to be an anti -development. Siddoway: Its too late to change it prior to the hearing. Nary: Sure. Siddoway: That certainly could be a recommended modification prior to going to City Council. I wont have a problem with that. z s � ,w x � k wrs rsL IM P ( Ssn�si£(, i � $ T F p a t � n r A` y # G w +y -x OWW41111 Meridian Planning and'Zoninomm"on Special Wofthop June 21, 2001 Page 1s (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: It doesn't have to. I mean it could function under the current system as long as there were clear guidelines for the Commission to use in evaluating the project. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Centers: (inaudible) to do what you're talking about, to create that neighborhood feel or that type of (inaudible). Siddoway: Also they comply with the plan that's in place that sets the design? Centers: Right. All of the development in that particular area goes through the design process of the Ordinances that talk about that. They try to create the (inaudible). Siddoway: Yes the specific area plan is the term I'm using. If the specific area plans were adopted for one of these neighborhood centers that could be adopted by Commission and Council. Then the development would be bound to standard Ordinances but also to this specific area plan that actually says (inaudible). Nary: 1 was thinking that's just kind of an after effect but you know we might encourage the residential growth in that area to also want that. Although it's a historical issue in the north end, and that was brought about by the people living there wanting to have that sole (inaudible) design criteria, those kinds of things. They're the ones that brought that forward. This may be the spur of that kind of thing (inaudible). It provides a neighborhood identity. Siddoway: (Inaudible) we researched this idea of neighborhood centers and (inaudible) a lot written about it. Centers: Shopping — Siddoway: What's that? Center: Shopping center? Siddoway: Not shopping center. Center: Is that what you were referring too now? Siddoway: The neighborhood centers? Centers: Yes. NIP 9sH u„h v,y M" Pm 24 P x� Meridian Planning and Zon^mission special Workshop June 21, 2001 Page 19 Siddoway: What I was referring to is to do this, i know (inaudible) in 5 minutes but like what i could do is 1 have an actual draft design guideline from another city that we intend to pattern our own after. What it is, is a higher density mixed- use residential area with a core commercial area that feels more like Old Town Meridian than it does like the Albertson's Shopping Center out on Cherry Lane and Meridian. It gets away from the strip commercial with the big parking lot and puts shopping out along the street that people can walk on and (inaudible). Centers: So that's your definition of the neighborhood shopping center? Siddoway: Yes. Freckleton: Do you think people will object to your words, shall be provided? Whereas in the all neighborhoods in Meridian should be encouraged to develop. But when you get down to neighborhood shopping centers — Siddoway: Well, these are pulled out of the 93 plan. These are the ones that we're getting rid of actually. These notes here are pulled out of the 1993 plan. I'm just showing you that the groundwork for these was laid in 93. We're now taking the next step. We're going farther in the 2001 plan. We're actually showing them on the plan. These half circle moons are the neighborhood residential, neighborhood center residential and then the red squares along the arterials next to them are the neighborhood center commercial areas. We've taken the next step. This (inaudible) partly there by actually designating some notes. One of the differences with what we're doing is these had them at the intersections of two arterials. We and all of the literature that's out there support this. Put them on the half mile for two main reasons. One would be this configuration really creates congested intersections at the arterials and we really want to promote as efficient traffic transportation as we can and allow easy core of movement along the arterials. That's what our arterials are supposed to be. Putting them on the half mile also allows them to be more integrated Into the neighborhoods that they're actually intended to serve. People can walk to them and use them. (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: Right exactly. This is the pattern that we are proposing. Centers: What has been the general flavor of the comments on that? Siddoway: We have not had many. When the 2000 draft came out, there was a little blurb in there that they called the Greenfield Concept which was the basis of this. It started out as just a very undefined concept. The comments that we received said what does this mean? Where does it go on the map? Show us what you mean, which is what we then did with this revision. There were also e t § �h $, r ,, � (I k k� t i k ax §0 1 Xik yy AF � d 4 • Meridian Planning and 2onlnlknmisalon Special Workshop 1 YUA'^ i June 21, 2001 Page 21 Nary: What I'm thinking is just that some of it when we talked about really the b < , intent that we're trying to get across to folks is the whole concept of this is that F phased in development phase and planning. That they may make some sense, I r mean if the development is going to sort of phase, like going south of town its 2, going to go from where it's existing further south to the area of impact boundary. You know maybe moving one of those further south might make some sense. If 151 = there's some flexibility to that, then I guess its fine. I don't know (inaudible) ' (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) a Siddoway: Where they are is where we think they belong. It can always be amended through a Comp Plan change (inaudible). �� ` Nary: Somebody comes in and wants to develop an area mile south of that and has the land and the property and he wants to do it, we're not going to change the Comp Plan but it's just like they said. Centers: They always refer to this as a blob map. Its not that particular parcel ` has to be that. Borup: That's what I said. It's not any different than the old map is it. You want something in that general area. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: We don't want it on the corners. Borup: But, maybe the parcels don't live right with the half mile. You'll move it 300 feet if it needs to be. ' of Siddoway: This is another letter with 11 signatures on it. In the original 2000 r plan, we didn't have any of these, you know no commercial notes designated. We just had strip commercial, commercial blob, commercial blob. Distribute commercial around the entire City and impact area (inaudible). Surround that by high-density areas and mixed planned use in the center at the square mile. Develop (inaudible) (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: Yes, its on Page 4 of the summary. Its letter No. 34. Anyway, M (inaudible). Just a history of bullets. Why did we make the changes? We talked about a lot of it. (inaudible). One I long term sustainability. Studies show that these types of development hold the best viability over time. Alternative housing choices for consumers would be the next one. Right now we get fairly (inaudible) housing types. This would really increase the envelope of housing types that are ' All" � d 4 i�'y 2, Meridian Planning and Zonin ftmnlWon special Wodthop June 21, 2001 Page 22 out there. Give them patio homes and townhomes. Having a note that is really some of those smaller high-density things that then transition, get more of the lower density things within the same neighborhood square mile so people have housing choices within what feels like the same neighborhood. Nary: The hardest thing with that though I think is this is a market driven type of field. We've encouraged that in the City of Boise and still don't have it except for Harris Ranch because they wanted to develop that way. They came form the get go and said we want to build this (inaudible). We've had those concepts for three or four years and still (inaudible). I think it's a good idea to have it. It just seems like it's such a hard thing to get done. (inaudible). (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Centers: Its kind of like its market driven. (Inaudible) 60 people come out of the box and say there are some other options (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: (inaudible). Its just l have this thing that i build and I want to build (inaudible). Nary: But I think we have a lot (inaudible). (Inaudible) house just like mine. Houses, I've lived in a subdivision and (inaudible). I mean I agree I just think (inaudible). Siddoway: And some of that would still be available. We're just saying increase the choices. Nary: i think its a great idea. I'm just saying it is a bit like a chicken and an egg thing. (Inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Centers: Tony Hickey's got one or two articles of paper about his thing. He sold one house in a year and a half. (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) preckleton: You're not going to be able to dictate development. Hopefully what you're trying to do is plant a seed. Centers: if you do dictate development you won't have development. Are you trying to dictate development because you just looked at mine? .Y Maddian Planning and Zonis MkWon Special Workshop O June 21. 2001 Page 23 (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: We are dictating, I think, I'm trying to see if I'm understanding you right. We want to set some very stringent design criteria and density standards for these centers. That is very much out of the norm — (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Centers: The City of Meridian doesn't have the dollars to develop. So, you may not get developed is what I'm saying. I firmly believe that. If you are real strict with and have no flexibility as Keith referred to earlier in moving that 300 feet or even a half a mile or even onto an intersection you know you don't have the money to build it. Its the developers coming to build it with his money. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: They would rather have nothing than status quo. Centers: I don't disagree with that. That may be the case. Borup: Some of these projects are talking about commercial area. They don't need to re -vamp what they're doing. They need to re -vamp us. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: The biggest change (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: Bridgetower's going to have to do some changing. That doesn't do it they're at an intersection. Centers: I don't know that I agree or disagree with the City (inaudible). What you're saying is if they don't have it their way they don't want it anyway. That's what you just said. Okay, if they want everything to be stagnate then so be it. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Centers: They started at a different stage. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Centers: Where they didn't have any growth. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) xp,y `' f 3` 4iy �' ill{i�li s�rw �s� y F t f FY py I i s' u, F Maddian Planning and Zonis MkWon Special Workshop O June 21. 2001 Page 23 (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: We are dictating, I think, I'm trying to see if I'm understanding you right. We want to set some very stringent design criteria and density standards for these centers. That is very much out of the norm — (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Centers: The City of Meridian doesn't have the dollars to develop. So, you may not get developed is what I'm saying. I firmly believe that. If you are real strict with and have no flexibility as Keith referred to earlier in moving that 300 feet or even a half a mile or even onto an intersection you know you don't have the money to build it. Its the developers coming to build it with his money. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: They would rather have nothing than status quo. Centers: I don't disagree with that. That may be the case. Borup: Some of these projects are talking about commercial area. They don't need to re -vamp what they're doing. They need to re -vamp us. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: The biggest change (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: Bridgetower's going to have to do some changing. That doesn't do it they're at an intersection. Centers: I don't know that I agree or disagree with the City (inaudible). What you're saying is if they don't have it their way they don't want it anyway. That's what you just said. Okay, if they want everything to be stagnate then so be it. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Centers: They started at a different stage. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Centers: Where they didn't have any growth. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) xp,y `' f 3` 4iy �' ill{i�li s�rw i ,F Y Maddian Planning and Zonis MkWon Special Workshop O June 21. 2001 Page 23 (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: We are dictating, I think, I'm trying to see if I'm understanding you right. We want to set some very stringent design criteria and density standards for these centers. That is very much out of the norm — (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Centers: The City of Meridian doesn't have the dollars to develop. So, you may not get developed is what I'm saying. I firmly believe that. If you are real strict with and have no flexibility as Keith referred to earlier in moving that 300 feet or even a half a mile or even onto an intersection you know you don't have the money to build it. Its the developers coming to build it with his money. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: They would rather have nothing than status quo. Centers: I don't disagree with that. That may be the case. Borup: Some of these projects are talking about commercial area. They don't need to re -vamp what they're doing. They need to re -vamp us. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: The biggest change (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: Bridgetower's going to have to do some changing. That doesn't do it they're at an intersection. Centers: I don't know that I agree or disagree with the City (inaudible). What you're saying is if they don't have it their way they don't want it anyway. That's what you just said. Okay, if they want everything to be stagnate then so be it. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Centers: They started at a different stage. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Centers: Where they didn't have any growth. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) xp,y `' Maddian Planning and Zonis MkWon Special Workshop O June 21. 2001 Page 23 (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: We are dictating, I think, I'm trying to see if I'm understanding you right. We want to set some very stringent design criteria and density standards for these centers. That is very much out of the norm — (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Centers: The City of Meridian doesn't have the dollars to develop. So, you may not get developed is what I'm saying. I firmly believe that. If you are real strict with and have no flexibility as Keith referred to earlier in moving that 300 feet or even a half a mile or even onto an intersection you know you don't have the money to build it. Its the developers coming to build it with his money. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: They would rather have nothing than status quo. Centers: I don't disagree with that. That may be the case. Borup: Some of these projects are talking about commercial area. They don't need to re -vamp what they're doing. They need to re -vamp us. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: The biggest change (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: Bridgetower's going to have to do some changing. That doesn't do it they're at an intersection. Centers: I don't know that I agree or disagree with the City (inaudible). What you're saying is if they don't have it their way they don't want it anyway. That's what you just said. Okay, if they want everything to be stagnate then so be it. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Centers: They started at a different stage. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Centers: Where they didn't have any growth. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) k a4 Yt a �x i ,F Y t f k a4 Yt a �x i u�ys t f I i s' u, F YP Meridian Planning and Zon*mmission Special Workshop June 21, 2001 Page 24 Borup: The only commercial growth area there is at the bypass at Eagle Road. 1 don't know that (inaudible). (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: (Inaudible) we talked about earlier is the concern of them applying (inaudible) these outlying areas. Although the County has (inaudible). I think what Commissioner Centers is saying is a legitimate concern. If its too restrictive then the developer is going to say fine just go ahead and deny me so I can go to the County and watch them approve me. All the ideas that we put behind it go down the tubes because we've got those 5 -acre lot subdivisions where we wanted the neighborhood centers. (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: The County, you know there you're subject to the same thing. (Inaudible) they don't have the same buy in and concerns to the Comp Plan as the City of Meridian. They have some but not the same and its their interpretation. I guess that would be my concern on too much restrictive ness with that. You're going to drive them away. You're actually going to drive them to another City. (Inaudible). (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Centers: The 93 plan was not adhered to correct? For the most part? Siddoway: Those areas where the dots are actually haven't — Centers: I mean in a loft of ways it wasn't. Is that correct? Borup: I don't think so. No, I think it was followed pretty close. If anything it's probably just the opposite. I think sometimes it was followed to close as if it was haw. (inaudible) didn't use flexibllity. Siddoway: (Inaudible) it's just that a lot of it is undefined. The Comp Plan doesn't define things very well. So, there's not a lot of guidance. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: But the boundary lines as we realized a month or so ago. Centers: I guess what you see -- you know you hold every year or two. (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) f V- z� %fit: t �an 9 1 3Y' Meridian Planning and Zon*mmission Special Workshop June 21, 2001 Page 24 Borup: The only commercial growth area there is at the bypass at Eagle Road. 1 don't know that (inaudible). (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: (Inaudible) we talked about earlier is the concern of them applying (inaudible) these outlying areas. Although the County has (inaudible). I think what Commissioner Centers is saying is a legitimate concern. If its too restrictive then the developer is going to say fine just go ahead and deny me so I can go to the County and watch them approve me. All the ideas that we put behind it go down the tubes because we've got those 5 -acre lot subdivisions where we wanted the neighborhood centers. (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: The County, you know there you're subject to the same thing. (Inaudible) they don't have the same buy in and concerns to the Comp Plan as the City of Meridian. They have some but not the same and its their interpretation. I guess that would be my concern on too much restrictive ness with that. You're going to drive them away. You're actually going to drive them to another City. (Inaudible). (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Centers: The 93 plan was not adhered to correct? For the most part? Siddoway: Those areas where the dots are actually haven't — Centers: I mean in a loft of ways it wasn't. Is that correct? Borup: I don't think so. No, I think it was followed pretty close. If anything it's probably just the opposite. I think sometimes it was followed to close as if it was haw. (inaudible) didn't use flexibllity. Siddoway: (Inaudible) it's just that a lot of it is undefined. The Comp Plan doesn't define things very well. So, there's not a lot of guidance. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: But the boundary lines as we realized a month or so ago. Centers: I guess what you see -- you know you hold every year or two. (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) f z� 1,^.e 9 1 Y s `3 .5 I (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Centers: I just want to say I totally agree with it. I would love this. I'm like that person in the small town. I would love it if that turned out that way 10 years ago, but I don't know, you know I don't know if you're (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: You know a lot of those apartments around the Albertson's store are close to the (inaudible) out there. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) }'.. x ' Meridian Planning and Zoninmmission Special workshop June 21, 2001 . Page 25 ry` Centers: (Inaudible) change induced by City Council because you have new f w"c u faces• Siddoway: Not to belabor this. The other reasons why we think neighborhood 4 } r 3 centers are a good idea. One is demographics (inaudible) basically that in a ; large population, around 36 percent (inaudible) the City doesn't drive and just z� develop a pattern (inaudible). Alternative transportation (inaudible) more friendly to transit, buses, et cetera. (Inaudible). A lot of people when you ask them what tA they like about Meridian talk about the small town feel. The opposite if that is sprawl and sprawl really is just endless subdivisions that are fairly (inaudible). (Inaudible) having segregated (inaudible) is what people are talking are about. i Borup: (Inaudible) what type of businesses? k TM4 � }Y f Siddoway: This does not. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: Doctors and dentists office gets brought up every time. ; k Siddoway: Sure. ` Borup: If everybody had that we'd have dentist's office every 100 feet. Siddoway: Barbershop, grocery store, and hardware store, Nary: You don't mean Wal-Mart grocery stores? You mean a small neighborhood low profile? 1 47 1 h #' (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) t. v� .. me Borup: You an more convenience store type things? I (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Centers: I just want to say I totally agree with it. I would love this. I'm like that person in the small town. I would love it if that turned out that way 10 years ago, but I don't know, you know I don't know if you're (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: You know a lot of those apartments around the Albertson's store are close to the (inaudible) out there. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) k 4 } z� tA i k TM4 � }Y f Meridian Planning and zoninommisslon sP6dal wofthap June 21, 2081 Page 26 Siddoway: You can incorporate an Albertson's Into one of these. You may not have one in every single one but even the size of the one down here at Meridian. They could, well, I was thinking the on at Meridian and Cherry. It can be incorporated. The way it works is I wish the concepts here -- you would have a couple of acres with that. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Freckleton: What I envision is you have the arterial out here. You have the collector street coming in on the half mile. You might have an acre, an acre and they might have some parking that is off the — they always want parking visible from the arterial so that people that are driving along it and wanting to stop at the Albertson's or whatever. Then lets say in here you've got a street and here are the other shops you know that might be more like the Old Town thing. They're up to the sidewalk and they have some associated parking as well but this street right here is very, very walkable. Something that people can come in from houses that are across the stmt and they feel like they have a (inaudible). Shopping centers that are very famous right around the (inaudible). 7 Meridian Planning . and Zonininrnission Special Workshop dune 21, 2001 Page 27 z (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: You can get Albertson's to develop because every other store in this market builds the stores too big for what you're talking about. Fred Meyer, . a WinCo, Wal-Mart all build their stores too big and none of the other ones want to compete because Albertson's has such a saturated market. Whereas if you (inaudible) there's lots of other competition. That's what I maybe a little problematic. Siddoway: I don't know Albertson's built the one on Ten Mile and it'sjust 2 miles from the one here. Nary: Now they're proposing to build a Sav-On at Linder. Siddoway: Right. x (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: Its every mile that Albertson's has one. (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: (Inaudible) they do draw radius and they draw radius of pretty good size, 2 to 3 miles out, is how big they feel that they're going to draw from. You know I think Albertson's, although they're only a mile apart between those two stores is really looking towards the north and the west and the south where there isn't anybody out near them. It wasn't that they felt like they were cutting into that much. I mean that's the only thing I see is that the (inaudible) may be a little harder to develop because there may not be that man Y y types of anchors that �a k. want to go in that area other than an Albertson's. z Siddoway: I don't know that we have the answers for that without knowing the market. Certainly we haven't done market feasibility studies. (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: We feel like the neighborhood enters are a great idea, I don't know if any of you or the Commissioners that aren't here if they listen to this tape have k questions and want to come in and look at some of the design guidelines that I have for these. Some of the things that we are really thinking about in terms of �Y detail I would be happy to go over it with you. Sally and (inaudible). AW!", (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) w Nary: Sally said she was going to it so I don't know if (inaudible). Nary: We had talked about how we were going to segregate the -- so we can try to create some order to the testimony, I was just looking through the table of contents. I came up with some proposed subject matter. The Urban Use Planning Area, I think obviously since its already got a (inaudible). We'may want to include that as a subject matter itself. It may have 500 people come and talk about. I don't know but at least that makes (inaudible). Looking at the plan of transportation I would think these categories are fairly broad. Transportation (inaudible) a subject matter that people may want to have some input on only because even though we aren't ACRD and we have to listen to a lot of things that we don't have any control over. I think people will still want to comment about it because you're also talking about alternative transportation and providing — Borup: Under that would be the pathways, bikeways — Nary: Yes those kinds of things. There's a pretty good section on schools, recreation, public service, utilities, those kinds of things. It may be a good some ways group some ones that may not have a whole lot of people but if you put three or four of them together. Public safety, I don't know but I would think that there would be some people who would want to talk about that. (Inaudible) public safety, something in that regards, fire stations, police substation, growth and personnel and those kinds of things. Then I just wrote growth and obviously that's a little bit broad but the last Chapter 8 talks about future growth and planned development in general those types of things. I don't know how we would break that into one or two subjects. I think you're going to want at least a catchall subject for someone who cant figure out which list they want to sign up or they're not sure and they had more of a general comment. So, you would have a general catchall type of sign up. Something in the growth future, development, something along that line. It does overlap some of the other ones g ? ani } q a � 4 s T 4 t r M } , Meridian Planning and 2pnIALmision Special workshop June 21, 2001 � k Pap 28 5 Borup: It sounds like we're all (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: No arguments, I totally agree. Centers: I was just going to say, have you thought about any incentives? Siddoway: We're always looking for incentives (inaudible). Centers: No, I mean offering incentives to the developers? Siddoway: Well we already have. h (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: We had talked about how we were going to segregate the -- so we can try to create some order to the testimony, I was just looking through the table of contents. I came up with some proposed subject matter. The Urban Use Planning Area, I think obviously since its already got a (inaudible). We'may want to include that as a subject matter itself. It may have 500 people come and talk about. I don't know but at least that makes (inaudible). Looking at the plan of transportation I would think these categories are fairly broad. Transportation (inaudible) a subject matter that people may want to have some input on only because even though we aren't ACRD and we have to listen to a lot of things that we don't have any control over. I think people will still want to comment about it because you're also talking about alternative transportation and providing — Borup: Under that would be the pathways, bikeways — Nary: Yes those kinds of things. There's a pretty good section on schools, recreation, public service, utilities, those kinds of things. It may be a good some ways group some ones that may not have a whole lot of people but if you put three or four of them together. Public safety, I don't know but I would think that there would be some people who would want to talk about that. (Inaudible) public safety, something in that regards, fire stations, police substation, growth and personnel and those kinds of things. Then I just wrote growth and obviously that's a little bit broad but the last Chapter 8 talks about future growth and planned development in general those types of things. I don't know how we would break that into one or two subjects. I think you're going to want at least a catchall subject for someone who cant figure out which list they want to sign up or they're not sure and they had more of a general comment. So, you would have a general catchall type of sign up. Something in the growth future, development, something along that line. It does overlap some of the other ones g ? ani } q a � 4 s T 4 t r M } , � k e {`t 5 Meridian Planning and Zonir immission Special Workshop June 21, 2001 Page 28 of course but something like that at least looking at it, those kind of made sense to me. Some subjects are (inaudible) those are too broad. Centers: That sounds good to me. Borup: How about entryway corridors? Would that be under transportation? Nary: I would think so. Borup: It's not really -- Nary: You're talking about like gateway streets and those — Borup: Yes, but that's more of a landscaping setback type of thing. Siddoway: Part of the transportation so that would have to be with it. Otherwise it's just a road. If It's an entrance, why is it an entrance? Location, whatever, then it's required to have some of these other things, landscaping, and other amenities to it. Borup: That was the only one that I saw. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: Maybe with recreation. I think most people would understand the term green space and a lot of these are talking about (inaudible). Borup: Well, we already got the last one. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: -- Ordinance In place. I mean, if you want, either one I think it's just that you want to make it fairly broad so that people can give us their input. If we make it too broad then we'll have everybody signing up for that one. 51, �x ry. .._. Meridian Planning and Zonir immission Special Workshop June 21, 2001 Page 28 of course but something like that at least looking at it, those kind of made sense to me. Some subjects are (inaudible) those are too broad. Centers: That sounds good to me. Borup: How about entryway corridors? Would that be under transportation? Nary: I would think so. Borup: It's not really -- Nary: You're talking about like gateway streets and those — Borup: Yes, but that's more of a landscaping setback type of thing. Siddoway: Part of the transportation so that would have to be with it. Otherwise it's just a road. If It's an entrance, why is it an entrance? Location, whatever, then it's required to have some of these other things, landscaping, and other amenities to it. Borup: That was the only one that I saw. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: Maybe with recreation. I think most people would understand the term green space and a lot of these are talking about (inaudible). Borup: Well, we already got the last one. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: -- Ordinance In place. I mean, if you want, either one I think it's just that you want to make it fairly broad so that people can give us their input. If we make it too broad then we'll have everybody signing up for that one. 16 Meridian Planning and Zonlrrn1SSion Special Workshop • June 21, 2001 Page 30 (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: Especially when you're going into the introduction then the explanation. You'd be looking at those lists saying okay it looks like we can do this. If we have a lengthy tum out then you'd have the ability to say look we have 150 people singed up for the Urban Service Planning Area. Then you can decide if you want (inaudible) hear them all tonight but maybe we have 50 on the other one. You can tell them, you know you can make a decision and say well, we're not going to hear the Urban Service Planning Area tonight. Borup: That's why we're going to ask. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: -- probably going to be too much to get into if we want to try to get everything else and then do that one. Centers: Do you think most people will check all of them or check four or five of them? Nary: They might but I am saying that if you took it by subject, you could say look we have a big sign up for Urban Service Planning. We're planning on having another meeting anyway. We're not going to get to that. Centers: Right I know what you're saying, Nary: If you're signed up on, we're not going to hear that one tonight. That way if they want to go home they can go home. If they signed up for other things as well, they'll stay anyway. Then they'll know we're not going to focus on that tonight. Borup: To do that we need a little bit of time. We've got to be able to collect the sheets. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: That's the other option that would (inaudible). I mean you — Nary: You know if you want to wait, (inaudible). What we've done a lot, what we do at all of our public meetings is we always say after (inaudible). Then you've got to wait until we're all done. Borup: Right. Siddoway: I don't think you can really shut people out. k ,. X44 ' q� M- �3i 16 Meridian Planning and Zonlrrn1SSion Special Workshop • June 21, 2001 Page 30 (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: Especially when you're going into the introduction then the explanation. You'd be looking at those lists saying okay it looks like we can do this. If we have a lengthy tum out then you'd have the ability to say look we have 150 people singed up for the Urban Service Planning Area. Then you can decide if you want (inaudible) hear them all tonight but maybe we have 50 on the other one. You can tell them, you know you can make a decision and say well, we're not going to hear the Urban Service Planning Area tonight. Borup: That's why we're going to ask. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: -- probably going to be too much to get into if we want to try to get everything else and then do that one. Centers: Do you think most people will check all of them or check four or five of them? Nary: They might but I am saying that if you took it by subject, you could say look we have a big sign up for Urban Service Planning. We're planning on having another meeting anyway. We're not going to get to that. Centers: Right I know what you're saying, Nary: If you're signed up on, we're not going to hear that one tonight. That way if they want to go home they can go home. If they signed up for other things as well, they'll stay anyway. Then they'll know we're not going to focus on that tonight. Borup: To do that we need a little bit of time. We've got to be able to collect the sheets. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: That's the other option that would (inaudible). I mean you — Nary: You know if you want to wait, (inaudible). What we've done a lot, what we do at all of our public meetings is we always say after (inaudible). Then you've got to wait until we're all done. Borup: Right. Siddoway: I don't think you can really shut people out. q� �3i Meridien Planning and Zoni*ommission Special workshop June 21, 2001 Page 31 (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: -- I wasn't planning on talking. I listened to those. You had 20 people and now I really have a comment. That's okay but they just to wait until the end of that — (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: Then at the end of each subject matter, say okay that's everybody that's on the list for transportation, is there anybody else that wants to make a comment on that subject. Okay now we're done with that one and we're going to go to the next one. If they want to sit through the whole thing and wait for 25 people to talk to get their 3 minutes in that's fine. Don't let them talk — Borup: I was talking to Steve. We're not sure what the facility is over there. We've got the little timer is that adequate? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: Is there a PA system? Nary: One of the things that — Borup: I think its good for the people to hear it Nary: One of the things that may be helpful too is to also tell people, you get to talk once so that way when you sit down and some guy says well that last guy didn't agree with me now I'm going to come back up again. We need to tell them right at the get go, everybody gets their 3 minutes or 5 minutes or whatever you want but you get one on that subject so you'll know that up front. So, that they don't keep walking back saying hey, I've got another comment now. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Centers: You mean, one spokesman for 20 people? Borup: Yes. Centers: Well, on the sign up they can indicate that. Borup: Oh, how about a separate sheet for spokesmen and list al the people they're speaking for? Nary: But it doesn't matter because you know what if they all want to talk — what you'll see, here's two things I can tell you. What'll happen is you will see the longer it goes on, there are a lot of people who will say fine. There's also, if you Merfdlan F48nnhg June 29, 2009 and Zonirommissfon Special werkshop Page 32 take a break, I guarantee it if you take a break every hour to hour and a half, people will leave every time. I guarantee it. If they miss their tum they can wait until the end but if you take a break lets say if you start at 7:00 and you take a break at 3:30 regardless of how many people you've heard, people will go home. People will just say okay obviously (inaudible). Centers: So, we take a breaks every hour? Nary: Or hour and a half. It really does -- it does tend to (inaudible). If you take a break for 10 minutes, some people will just go — (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: No I'm just saying it's a natural thing. It happens every time. People — Borup: Your time is up. Centers: Well, that's their microphone it'll be loud enough. If not — (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: See, we have that sitting up here and people ignore it even though you know they hear it. Centers: I've never heard it. Borup: We haven't used it lately. We had some periods there where we used it a lot. Nary: We're not trying to tell them that they Can't talk. We just want to make sure they understand one time. Give us your comment but we want to keep it brief. I don't think we need to worry in my opinion about the spokesmen because you know what if they want to sign up on the list and they all 20 want to talk that's tine. The whole intent is to let everybody talk. On the other hand you can tell them if you're speaking on behalf of a bunch of people just let us know that. That's fine. Sometimes, what people like to do and I think its more impact what they're trying to get across. They're getting up there and saying you know I'm talking for 75 people standing in the back. If you say who are those people? Okay great they feel like you're getting their two cents. Borup: So, do we have that in writing then somewhere? Nary: No. (Inaudible). Borup: I mean about the spokesman thing. 4 Lr t Meridian Planning and Zonin�omnssion special Workshop • June 21, 2001 Page 33 Nary: I don't know that's the Chair's call. You don't need an Ordinance that says that. Borup: I didn't mean an Ordinance. I mean just — Nary: I think those protocols are thing that -- 3 minutes — Borup: We had one time, I was supposing to (inaudible). He got up there and spoke for 20 minutes and it was two people that he was a spokesman for. Nary: But, I don't know that this is a subject matter. In Boise, we have it by Ordinance. If you're a neighborhood association, you get 20 minutes if you're a representative of the effected applicants or effected party you can get the same amount of time as the applicant. Here I don't think we want to do that. Borup: So, here its 3 minutes unless someone says I'm a spokesman then bring it up? Centers: You can ask who you're speaking for. Can you raise your hand? Nary: Then someone say you know what, you can have my time. Sir, what's your name? Great I'm going to cross your name off. Thank you. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: Yes, she says you know you can have my 3 minutes. Great, I'll just cross you off. Then when you get to the end of your list, you say anybody else? The guy says I want to talk now. Great, that's fine then at least when they're the spokesperson you're going to cross other people off. You're going to have a better way of controlling (inaudible). Borup: Okay, 3 minutes. Centers: I think I like that. In fact we might even have a chance for us to get together and look over the rest of the (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: How many of which subjects we're going to cover that night. Centers: I was trying (inaudible). My anticipation is (inaudible). Borup: That's why we wondered what facilities are there. A short stage or a tall stage? Siddoway: Its not real tall but it will do. r 4 i gexx '4 r 41 04 {s, fit"R � tiN4 r� €u � x4 5 ^5 � s r �'c 3 7i Meridian Planning and Zonin�omnssion special Workshop • June 21, 2001 Page 33 Nary: I don't know that's the Chair's call. You don't need an Ordinance that says that. Borup: I didn't mean an Ordinance. I mean just — Nary: I think those protocols are thing that -- 3 minutes — Borup: We had one time, I was supposing to (inaudible). He got up there and spoke for 20 minutes and it was two people that he was a spokesman for. Nary: But, I don't know that this is a subject matter. In Boise, we have it by Ordinance. If you're a neighborhood association, you get 20 minutes if you're a representative of the effected applicants or effected party you can get the same amount of time as the applicant. Here I don't think we want to do that. Borup: So, here its 3 minutes unless someone says I'm a spokesman then bring it up? Centers: You can ask who you're speaking for. Can you raise your hand? Nary: Then someone say you know what, you can have my time. Sir, what's your name? Great I'm going to cross your name off. Thank you. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: Yes, she says you know you can have my 3 minutes. Great, I'll just cross you off. Then when you get to the end of your list, you say anybody else? The guy says I want to talk now. Great, that's fine then at least when they're the spokesperson you're going to cross other people off. You're going to have a better way of controlling (inaudible). Borup: Okay, 3 minutes. Centers: I think I like that. In fact we might even have a chance for us to get together and look over the rest of the (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: How many of which subjects we're going to cover that night. Centers: I was trying (inaudible). My anticipation is (inaudible). Borup: That's why we wondered what facilities are there. A short stage or a tall stage? Siddoway: Its not real tall but it will do. r 4 i gexx '4 r 41 04 {s, fit"R iCi ^5 � s r �'c 3 7i Meridian Planning and Zonin�omnssion special Workshop • June 21, 2001 Page 33 Nary: I don't know that's the Chair's call. You don't need an Ordinance that says that. Borup: I didn't mean an Ordinance. I mean just — Nary: I think those protocols are thing that -- 3 minutes — Borup: We had one time, I was supposing to (inaudible). He got up there and spoke for 20 minutes and it was two people that he was a spokesman for. Nary: But, I don't know that this is a subject matter. In Boise, we have it by Ordinance. If you're a neighborhood association, you get 20 minutes if you're a representative of the effected applicants or effected party you can get the same amount of time as the applicant. Here I don't think we want to do that. Borup: So, here its 3 minutes unless someone says I'm a spokesman then bring it up? Centers: You can ask who you're speaking for. Can you raise your hand? Nary: Then someone say you know what, you can have my time. Sir, what's your name? Great I'm going to cross your name off. Thank you. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: Yes, she says you know you can have my 3 minutes. Great, I'll just cross you off. Then when you get to the end of your list, you say anybody else? The guy says I want to talk now. Great, that's fine then at least when they're the spokesperson you're going to cross other people off. You're going to have a better way of controlling (inaudible). Borup: Okay, 3 minutes. Centers: I think I like that. In fact we might even have a chance for us to get together and look over the rest of the (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: How many of which subjects we're going to cover that night. Centers: I was trying (inaudible). My anticipation is (inaudible). Borup: That's why we wondered what facilities are there. A short stage or a tall stage? Siddoway: Its not real tall but it will do. r 4 i gexx '4 r 41 04 fit"R ^5 � s r �'c 3 7i y� s v HY+k Meridian Plennhg and Zon*mntsion 3 • June 21, 2001 pec{al Workshop Page 34 (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Centers: I went there for a juvenile something and they had these (inaudible) judges or whatever they call them. I mean it was really nice. People just stood up and talked and they could hear them fine but they did have microphones. Borup: They stood up without a microphone and talked? Centers: The people in the crowd stood up and asked questions but, the judge and all, they had microphones. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Freckleton: They've got two aisle that run down each side. If you set a microphone on each one, they could just walk up to either side. That would work. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: Then they wouldn't have to waste a loft of time all walking up to the center, We could have it that way. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: One of the things that (inaudible) especially if there's a lot of people there and stuff, say the next five people or the next three people are (inaudible). So they move up (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: When they hear their name they move themselves kind of up close to the mike so when it's their tum -- (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: Like I said, depending on the number you might say three to five people. That way they'd all get kind of close to where they need to be. Nothing is more agonizing then to watch somebody walking form that end of the room all the way around. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: it's up to you. I've been to two out of four (inaudible). You could just read it if you want and just call me if you have questions. Meridian Planning and Zoninmission Special Workshop June 21, 2001 Page 35 Centers: Well, I would like to get in sometime in the next week (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: Does anybody want me to go through the rest of this item -by -item? Borup: You said you're still going to talk tot hat consultant? Siddoway: We're doing it in the morning at 10:30. Borup: Okay I would be surprised If she could (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: I guess even if she does recommend, I mean she'd have to have some strong reasons to me to make it (inaudible). Siddoway: Unless you're available. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: I probably would if I know I've got the Commissioners behind me. Nary: I think it makes more sense because that's the way (inaudible). Borup: Maybe she's got a good reason that would make sense. Siddoway: I think the subjects make more sense than the geographic. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Centers: -- in order of the chapters too as we go through here because some of those people bring these. Borup: Oh, re -arrange these (inaudible), (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: This is all pretty much in the summary isn't it? Nary: It kind of varies. When I looked at it, you're right most of them (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: I just think if we break them up that way it will be a ton easier to keep track of it all. X maridian Punning and Zon*M"*sion SpedW workshop June 21, 2001 Page 36 Borup: So, do we even mention, would that be one thing to sign up for Chapters 1 through 5? Nary: No because not everybody (inaudible) (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: Well, we put others. I think if we want to have any general comments or other comments or additional comments or something like that. We may just have somebody say you know what I didn't see on your subject thing but I really am more concerned about natural resources, hazardous areas — (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: How can anybody object to that? Siddoway: If somebody reads through it they'll find a typo or something. Nary: There may be things. They'll think oh, you didn't emphasize historic resources (inaudible). Borup: How do we address that then? Nary: I think you want to have an other. That way people can, if they think none of those really if the -- whatever they think their subject is, even though we might think its transportation and the one you brought up was a good one. The landscaping, we may think its transportation. They may think its really green space and open space. Maybe that's — they're thinking we don't have enough about that so I'm going to sign up on that part. (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: Transportation is czars. Nary: If they go to all the ACRD meetings (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: I think the pathways are recreation and parks. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: Well, read through this. If you have any questions at all or input, give me a call. k 37ic'c'"C :'SCinb bb.. t p FMpg v` .«ey a fi 3 i r w r 5 W r $ � R f i maridian Punning and Zon*M"*sion SpedW workshop June 21, 2001 Page 36 Borup: So, do we even mention, would that be one thing to sign up for Chapters 1 through 5? Nary: No because not everybody (inaudible) (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: Well, we put others. I think if we want to have any general comments or other comments or additional comments or something like that. We may just have somebody say you know what I didn't see on your subject thing but I really am more concerned about natural resources, hazardous areas — (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: How can anybody object to that? Siddoway: If somebody reads through it they'll find a typo or something. Nary: There may be things. They'll think oh, you didn't emphasize historic resources (inaudible). Borup: How do we address that then? Nary: I think you want to have an other. That way people can, if they think none of those really if the -- whatever they think their subject is, even though we might think its transportation and the one you brought up was a good one. The landscaping, we may think its transportation. They may think its really green space and open space. Maybe that's — they're thinking we don't have enough about that so I'm going to sign up on that part. (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: Transportation is czars. Nary: If they go to all the ACRD meetings (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: I think the pathways are recreation and parks. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: Well, read through this. If you have any questions at all or input, give me a call. k 37ic'c'"C :'SCinb bb.. t p FMpg v` .«ey a fi 3 i r w r 5 W r $ � Meridian Planning and Zonl6arnmiWon Spacial Workshop 9 June 21, 2001 Page 37 Borup: How about the grid system? Are we still exercising that? Siddoway: It doesn't necessarily have to be a (inaudible). The main issue is the block length. Borup: That's the way everything used to be. (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: I mean, (inaudible). (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Centers: I move we adjourn. Borup: Yes, we're adjourned. The meeting adjourned at 9:50. MEETING ADJOURNED AT 9:50 P.M. (TAPE ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS) APPROVED: /116 BORUP, , 91�sr Lh✓ WILLIAM G. BERG, ., CITY CLERK i 'Wo `w 'f x w 1 Yns^ 451 k�A r $13 '�i. d�� r^ �ka��Yt�i'•�i Meridian Planning and Zonl6arnmiWon Spacial Workshop 9 June 21, 2001 Page 37 Borup: How about the grid system? Are we still exercising that? Siddoway: It doesn't necessarily have to be a (inaudible). The main issue is the block length. Borup: That's the way everything used to be. (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: I mean, (inaudible). (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Centers: I move we adjourn. Borup: Yes, we're adjourned. The meeting adjourned at 9:50. MEETING ADJOURNED AT 9:50 P.M. (TAPE ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS) APPROVED: /116 BORUP, , 91�sr Lh✓ WILLIAM G. BERG, ., CITY CLERK yy '=F9 �vi4L p z 'Wo `w 'f f'1 y w 1 Yns^ Meridian Planning and Zonl6arnmiWon Spacial Workshop 9 June 21, 2001 Page 37 Borup: How about the grid system? Are we still exercising that? Siddoway: It doesn't necessarily have to be a (inaudible). The main issue is the block length. Borup: That's the way everything used to be. (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: I mean, (inaudible). (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Centers: I move we adjourn. Borup: Yes, we're adjourned. The meeting adjourned at 9:50. MEETING ADJOURNED AT 9:50 P.M. (TAPE ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS) APPROVED: /116 BORUP, , 91�sr Lh✓ WILLIAM G. BERG, ., CITY CLERK 'Wo `w w 451 r $13 '�i. d�� r^ �ka��Yt�i'•�i l k 0 -0-0 000 JUUb O 638 Lawndale Dr. Meridian, ID 83642 November 30, 2001 FAX: 887-4813 Mayor's Office 888-4218 City Clerk's Office RECEIVED The Honorable Robert Corrie NOV 3 0 2001 Mayor City of Meridian City of Meridian, City Clerk Office Re: Planning and Zoning Commission Dear Mr. Mayor, I have given a great deal of thought over the last several months and have decided to resign from the Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission effective January 1, 2002. I have been a commissioner for two years since you appointed me in December 1999. It is time for another dedicated Meridian citizen to take my place.- The Commission should be finished with the New Comprehensive Plan recommendations to the City Council in December. January should be a good time for a new commissioner to begin service. I have thoroughly enjoyed being a part of the planning process for the City of Meridian and have taken my responsibilities seriously. Thank you for the opportunity to serve my community. Sincerely, c..VLt Sally Norton Cc: Will Berg, City Clerk Keith Borup, Chairman Planning and zoning Commission Bill Nary, plug and Zoning Commissioner Jerry Centers, Planning and Zoning Commissioner Keven Shreeve, Planning and Zoning Commissioner NOV 30 '01 12.50 w ?CAR Trarac 0 0 CITY OF MERIDIAN MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING REGULAR MEETING AGENDA Thursday, June 21, 2001, at 7:00 P.M. City Council Chambers 1. Roll -call Attendance: O Sally Norton X Jerry Centers X Bill Nary O Keven Shreeve X Chairman Keith Borup 2. Adoption of the Agenda: 3. Consent Agenda: A. Approve minutes of May 3, 2001 Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting: Approve 4. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: PP 00-023 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 30 building lots and 2 other lots on 16.4 acres in an R-4 zone for proposed Autumn Faire Subdivision No. 2 by Gemstar Properties, LLC — east of North Black Cat Road and south of West Ustick Road: Continue Public Hearing until August 16, 2001 5. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: CUP 01-017 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for expansion of the chamber office and visitor center in a C -G zone for Meridian Chamber of Commerce by Meridian Chamber of Commerce — 215 East Franklin Road: Continue Public Hearing until August 16, 2001 6. Continued Public Hearing from June 7, 2001: AZ 01-008 Request for annexation and zoning of 12.71 acres from R1 and RUT to C -G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc — East Franklin Road west of South Locust Grove Road: Recommend approval to City Council with conditions 7. Continued Public Hearing from June 7, 2001: PP 01-009 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 10 building lots and 3 other lots on 12.71 acres in proposed C -G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc. — East Franklin Road west of Meridian Planning and Zoning commission Agenda —June 21, 2001 Page 1 of 2 All materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilities related to documents and/or hearings please contact the City Clerk's Office at 888.4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting. CITY OF MERIDIAN MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING REGULAR MEETING AGENDA Thursday, June 21, 2001, at 7:00 P.M. City Council Chambers 1. Roll -call Attendance: O Sally Norton X Jerry Centers X Bill Nary OKeven Shreeve X Chairman Keith Borup 2. Adoption of the Agenda: 3. Consent Agenda: A. Approve minutes of May 3, 2001 Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting: Approve 4. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: PP 00-023 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 30 building lots and 2 other lots on 16.4 acres in an R-4 zone for proposed Autumn Faire Subdivision No. 2 by Gemstar Properties, LLC — east of North Black Cat Road and south of West Ustick Road: Continue Public Hearing until August 16, 2001 S. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: CUP 01-017 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for expansion of the chamber office and visitor center in a C -G zone for Meridian Chamber of Commerce by Meridian Chamber of Commerce — 215 East Franklin Road: Continue Public Hearing until August 16, 2001 6. Continued Public Hearing from June 7, 2001: AZ 01-008 Request for annexation and zoning of 12.71 acres from R1 and RUT to C -G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc — East Franklin Road west of South Locust Grove Road: Recommend approval to City Council with conditions 7. Continued Public Hearing from June 7, 2001: PP 01-009 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 10 building lots and 3 other lots on 12.71 acres in proposed C -G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc. — East Franklin Road west of Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Agenda — June 21, 2001 Page 1 d2 r AU materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. Anyone desiring accommodation for dfsabllities related to documents and/or hearings Please contact the City Cleric's Office at 8884433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting. t 0 0 South Locust Grove Road: Recommend approval to City Council with conditions 8. Continued Public Hearing from June i, 2001: CUP 01-015 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a Planned Unit Development for mixed use Residential/Commercial in proposed C -G and R-40 pones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision — East Franklin Road west of South Locust Grove Road: Recommend approval to City Council with conditions Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Agenda — June 21, 2001 Page 2 of 2 All materials presented at public meetings shall home property of the City of Meridian. Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilities related to documents and/or hearings please contact the City Clerk's office at 88&4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting. Y PMY t' gg�� Az 0 0 South Locust Grove Road: Recommend approval to City Council with conditions 8. Continued Public Hearing from June i, 2001: CUP 01-015 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a Planned Unit Development for mixed use Residential/Commercial in proposed C -G and R-40 pones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision — East Franklin Road west of South Locust Grove Road: Recommend approval to City Council with conditions Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Agenda — June 21, 2001 Page 2 of 2 All materials presented at public meetings shall home property of the City of Meridian. Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilities related to documents and/or hearings please contact the City Clerk's office at 88&4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting. t' gg�� Az k Y . k I �n I eF y 316 1 0 8. Continued Public Hearing from June 7, 2001: CUP 01-015 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a Planned Unit Development for mixed use Residential/Commercial in proposed C -G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision — East Franklin Road west of South Locust Grove Road: Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Agenda — June 21, 2001 All materials resented at public 2 of 2 meetings s p meetings shalt become property of the City of Meridian. Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilities related to documents and/or hearings please contact the City Clerk's office at t188-4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting. �4 �tr f?iSFi . 'ter` �rt L yqh� Y 0 8. Continued Public Hearing from June 7, 2001: CUP 01-015 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a Planned Unit Development for mixed use Residential/Commercial in proposed C -G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision — East Franklin Road west of South Locust Grove Road: Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Agenda — June 21, 2001 All materials resented at public 2 of 2 meetings s p meetings shalt become property of the City of Meridian. Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilities related to documents and/or hearings please contact the City Clerk's office at t188-4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting. f?iSFi . sr �rt L Y: Y r S. Y $ h kA M4 t L a,'; =Yip Mer0m Planning wd Zmleg Commission Agenda –June 21, 2001 Page 1 d 2 ADmafriais Presented at pole meetings OW became PmPsrtY e1 the Cryy d Merltllan. P e contact Anyofte a CdY 433 st leant I t io �bor head" Prior to the public meeting, 4' .. n S`+'d'a`�$.fi . a5�:`s�,s% r § � Wr,' :- ** Tx co NF PION REPORT * AS OF JUN 21 '01 -3 PAGE.01 7k CITY OF MERIDIAN b S ,vx yy.� jp 20 DATE TIME TO/FROM MODE MIN/SEC PGS CMD# STATUS 06/21 22:40 PUBLIC WORKS 21 OF --S 00'27" 002 105 OK 06/21 22:41 1208 466 4405 EC --S 00'44" o002105 OK Pit x 22 23 06/21 22:42 8841159 EC --S 00'39" 002 105 OK 06/21 22:44 2088840744 # S 24 EC --S 00'38" 002 105 OK 06/21 22:45 2088845077 EC --S 00'38" 002 105 4 25 26 OK 06/21 22:46 208 898 5501 EC --S 00'38" 002 105 OK 06/21 22:47 8886854 -Ng�� 27 06/21 22:48 2083757154 EC --S 00'39" 002 105 OK EC --S Y 28 00'38" 002 105 OK 06/21 22:49 8950390 EC --S 00'37" 002 105 OK t s=" 1� 29 30 06/21 22:51 Laurel EC --S 00'39" 002 105 OK 06/21 22:52 CHERRY LANE EC—S ----- ----- 00'44" 002 105 OK ----------------------------------------------------- CITY OF MERIDIAN MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING REGULAR ._ MEETING AGENDA Thursday, June 21, 2001, at 7:00 P.M. City Council Chambers 1. Roll -call Attendance: Sally Norton (� Jerry Centers Bill ary Keven Shreeve Chairman Keith Borup 2. Adoption of the Agenda: 3. Consent Agenda: A. Approve minutes of May 3. 2001 Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting: 'r 4. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: PP 00-023 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 30 building lots and 2 other lots on 16A acres in u an R-4 zone for proposed Autumn Faire Subdivision No. 2 by Gemstar Properties, LLC - east of North Black Cat Road and south of West Ustick Road: 5. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: CUP 01.017 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for expansion of the chamber office and visitor center in a C -G zone for Meridian Chamber of Commerce by Meridian Chamber of Commerce - 215 East Franklin Road: PA-1c.� A lb � 6. Continued Public Hearing from June 7,2001: AZ 01-008 Request for annexation and zoning of 12.71 acres from R1and RUT to C -G and R-40 fi zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc - East Franklin Road west of South Locust Grove Road: 7• r2Gcr d dtVVVv4tr�y1r ` Continued Public Hearing from June 7, 2001: PP 01.009 Request for Preliminary Plat approvai of 10 building lots and 3 other lots on 12.71 acres in proposed C -G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by LC. Development, Inc. - East Franklin Road west of South Locust Grove Road: /'.QComr+lP�v�dJ va.Z. � �G Gu�I�C- Co+1Gfr�Zv�.! =Yip Mer0m Planning wd Zmleg Commission Agenda –June 21, 2001 Page 1 d 2 ADmafriais Presented at pole meetings OW became PmPsrtY e1 the Cryy d Merltllan. P e contact Anyofte a CdY 433 st leant I t io �bor head" Prior to the public meeting, 4' .. n S`+'d'a`�$.fi . a5�:`s�,s% r § � Wr,' :- 7k b S ,vx yy.� jp ,p3 Pit # S 4 ThY Y ' Y I" t s=" ** TX CONF I RN REPORT ** AS OF JUN 21 110,22:54 PAGE . 01 CITY OF MERIDIAN DATE TIME TO/FROM MODE MIN/SEC PGS CMD# STATUS 31 06/21 22:53 3810160 EC --S 00,57" 002 106 OK ----------------------------------------------- CITY OF MERIDIAN MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING REGULAR MEETING AGENDA Thursday, June 21, 2001, at 7:00 P.M. City Council Chambers I. Ralf -call Attendance: -Sally Norton �_ Jerry Centers Biit ary D Keven Shreeve Chairman Keith Borup 2• Adoption of the Agenda: 3, Consent Agenda: A. Approve minutes of May 3, 2001 Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting: Qprra v-e� 4. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: PP 00-023 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 30 building lots and 2 other lots on 16.4 acres in an R-4 zone for proposed Autumn Faire Subdivision No. 2 by Gemstar Properties, LLC — east of North Black Cat Road and south of West Ustick Road: S. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: CUP 01-017 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for expansion of the chamber office and Visitor center in a C -G zone for Meridian Chamber of Commerce by Meridian Chamber of Commerce — 215 East Franklin Road: f3• Continued Public Hearing from un ��p� AZ ZZ p, ppg Request for annexation and zoning of 12.71 acres from R1 and RUT to C -G and R-40 zones forproposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc — East Franklin Road west of South Locust Grove Road: t2 Gorr�r a," trot A6 C/C P;?-/— cvr►Q°a h L"' J 7. Continued Public Hearing from June 7, 2001: PP 01-009 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 10 building lots and 3 other lots on 12.71 acres in proposed C -G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc. — East Franklin Road west of South Locust Grove Road: rrtC°y .r V"'4 for MerWian Planning and Zoning COMM"M Agenda --.lune 21, 2001 Page 1 of 2 All materials Presented at public M86ftS shall become property cf the city of Mwidlan. anyone desiring accommodation for disaba&w related to dwmwts and/or hearings please ocmaot the City cle'WS office at ee"M at least 48 hours prior to ffm public meeting. IBM t r f �} 4 �j � xF �aF z ** TX CONF I RN REPORT ** AS OF JUN 21 110,22:54 PAGE . 01 CITY OF MERIDIAN DATE TIME TO/FROM MODE MIN/SEC PGS CMD# STATUS 31 06/21 22:53 3810160 EC --S 00,57" 002 106 OK ----------------------------------------------- CITY OF MERIDIAN MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING REGULAR MEETING AGENDA Thursday, June 21, 2001, at 7:00 P.M. City Council Chambers I. Ralf -call Attendance: -Sally Norton �_ Jerry Centers Biit ary D Keven Shreeve Chairman Keith Borup 2• Adoption of the Agenda: 3, Consent Agenda: A. Approve minutes of May 3, 2001 Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting: Qprra v-e� 4. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: PP 00-023 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 30 building lots and 2 other lots on 16.4 acres in an R-4 zone for proposed Autumn Faire Subdivision No. 2 by Gemstar Properties, LLC — east of North Black Cat Road and south of West Ustick Road: S. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: CUP 01-017 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for expansion of the chamber office and Visitor center in a C -G zone for Meridian Chamber of Commerce by Meridian Chamber of Commerce — 215 East Franklin Road: f3• Continued Public Hearing from un ��p� AZ ZZ p, ppg Request for annexation and zoning of 12.71 acres from R1 and RUT to C -G and R-40 zones forproposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc — East Franklin Road west of South Locust Grove Road: t2 Gorr�r a," trot A6 C/C P;?-/— cvr►Q°a h L"' J 7. Continued Public Hearing from June 7, 2001: PP 01-009 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 10 building lots and 3 other lots on 12.71 acres in proposed C -G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc. — East Franklin Road west of South Locust Grove Road: rrtC°y .r V"'4 for MerWian Planning and Zoning COMM"M Agenda --.lune 21, 2001 Page 1 of 2 All materials Presented at public M86ftS shall become property cf the city of Mwidlan. anyone desiring accommodation for disaba&w related to dwmwts and/or hearings please ocmaot the City cle'WS office at ee"M at least 48 hours prior to ffm public meeting. IBM ** TX CONFIRrIN REPORT ** AS OF JUN 2207:45 PAGE.01 CITY OF MERIDIAN DATE TIME TO/FROM MODE MIN/SEC PGS CMD# STATUS 01 06/22 0744 Walter R Johnson EC --S 00'38" 002 110 OK ------------------------------------------------------------------------- CITY OF MERIDIAN MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING REGULAR MEETING AGENDA Thursday, June 21, 2001, at 7:00 P.M. City Council Chambers 1• Roll -call Attendance: Sally Norton _A Jerry Centers eS Bill ary —� Keven Shreeve Chairman Keith Borup 2• Adoption of the Agenda: 3. Consent Agenda: A- Approve minutes of May 3, 2001 Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting: Agro fuer 4- Continued Public Hearing from May 17,2001: PP 00-023 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 30 building lots and 2 other lots on 16.4 acres in an R-4 zone for proposed Autumn Faire Subdivision No. 2 by Gemstar Properties, LLC – east of North Black Cat Road and south of West Ustick Road: 6~6-h�'AA A4,i& hAf, /6 �E S. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: CUP 01-017 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for expansion of the chamber office and visitor center in a C -G zone for Meridian Chamber of Commerce by Meridian Chamber of Commerce – 215 East Franklin Road: f i,6 27- 6. Continued Public Hearing from June 7, t01: AZ 01-008 Request for annexation and zoning of 12.71 acres from R1and RUT to C -G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc -- East Franklin Road west of South Locust Grove Road: toc,o�ira_ct ow"V4_t A4 C/C 7• Continued Public Hearing from June 7, 2001: PP 01-009 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 10 building lots and 3 other lots on 12.71 acres in proposed C -G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc. – East Franklin Road west of South Locust Grove Road: /"QCO7'`'►"�+�rLJ 41ayyvaz y4v c/G wig -C. cos�G�i�zv�.r t� S # pr j F. { i Oy ,gib 7 pH�k a. � 4 i;. , lt. W 4f i d sp =_kj - t } s° >w x� i 2" .k" K# ** TX CONFIRrIN REPORT ** AS OF JUN 2207:45 PAGE.01 CITY OF MERIDIAN DATE TIME TO/FROM MODE MIN/SEC PGS CMD# STATUS 01 06/22 0744 Walter R Johnson EC --S 00'38" 002 110 OK ------------------------------------------------------------------------- CITY OF MERIDIAN MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING REGULAR MEETING AGENDA Thursday, June 21, 2001, at 7:00 P.M. City Council Chambers 1• Roll -call Attendance: Sally Norton _A Jerry Centers eS Bill ary —� Keven Shreeve Chairman Keith Borup 2• Adoption of the Agenda: 3. Consent Agenda: A- Approve minutes of May 3, 2001 Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting: Agro fuer 4- Continued Public Hearing from May 17,2001: PP 00-023 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 30 building lots and 2 other lots on 16.4 acres in an R-4 zone for proposed Autumn Faire Subdivision No. 2 by Gemstar Properties, LLC – east of North Black Cat Road and south of West Ustick Road: 6~6-h�'AA A4,i& hAf, /6 �E S. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: CUP 01-017 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for expansion of the chamber office and visitor center in a C -G zone for Meridian Chamber of Commerce by Meridian Chamber of Commerce – 215 East Franklin Road: f i,6 27- 6. Continued Public Hearing from June 7, t01: AZ 01-008 Request for annexation and zoning of 12.71 acres from R1and RUT to C -G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc -- East Franklin Road west of South Locust Grove Road: toc,o�ira_ct ow"V4_t A4 C/C 7• Continued Public Hearing from June 7, 2001: PP 01-009 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 10 building lots and 3 other lots on 12.71 acres in proposed C -G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc. – East Franklin Road west of South Locust Grove Road: /"QCO7'`'►"�+�rLJ 41ayyvaz y4v c/G wig -C. cos�G�i�zv�.r t� # pr { i Oy ,gib 7 pH�k a. � 4 , W 4f i d sp =_kj - t } ** TX CONFIRrIN REPORT ** AS OF JUN 2207:45 PAGE.01 CITY OF MERIDIAN DATE TIME TO/FROM MODE MIN/SEC PGS CMD# STATUS 01 06/22 0744 Walter R Johnson EC --S 00'38" 002 110 OK ------------------------------------------------------------------------- CITY OF MERIDIAN MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING REGULAR MEETING AGENDA Thursday, June 21, 2001, at 7:00 P.M. City Council Chambers 1• Roll -call Attendance: Sally Norton _A Jerry Centers eS Bill ary —� Keven Shreeve Chairman Keith Borup 2• Adoption of the Agenda: 3. Consent Agenda: A- Approve minutes of May 3, 2001 Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting: Agro fuer 4- Continued Public Hearing from May 17,2001: PP 00-023 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 30 building lots and 2 other lots on 16.4 acres in an R-4 zone for proposed Autumn Faire Subdivision No. 2 by Gemstar Properties, LLC – east of North Black Cat Road and south of West Ustick Road: 6~6-h�'AA A4,i& hAf, /6 �E S. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: CUP 01-017 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for expansion of the chamber office and visitor center in a C -G zone for Meridian Chamber of Commerce by Meridian Chamber of Commerce – 215 East Franklin Road: f i,6 27- 6. Continued Public Hearing from June 7, t01: AZ 01-008 Request for annexation and zoning of 12.71 acres from R1and RUT to C -G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc -- East Franklin Road west of South Locust Grove Road: toc,o�ira_ct ow"V4_t A4 C/C 7• Continued Public Hearing from June 7, 2001: PP 01-009 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 10 building lots and 3 other lots on 12.71 acres in proposed C -G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc. – East Franklin Road west of South Locust Grove Road: /"QCO7'`'►"�+�rLJ 41ayyvaz y4v c/G wig -C. cos�G�i�zv�.r Meridien Planning and Zoning Commiselon Agenda —June 21, 2001 AU materials presentedat public meetings � 1 of 2 phot to he Anyone desiring accwmodaion for di&WHIes mkiwd todm enb of the ndf r hearings CilyMrd. Please contact die cey Cleft's Office at 888-4433 W 4W 48 hours o the P public mea". t� { i Oy ,gib 7 pH�k a. Y s qATi a } 4f i d sp =_kj - t } x� 2" .k" K# �r Meridien Planning and Zoning Commiselon Agenda —June 21, 2001 AU materials presentedat public meetings � 1 of 2 phot to he Anyone desiring accwmodaion for di&WHIes mkiwd todm enb of the ndf r hearings CilyMrd. Please contact die cey Cleft's Office at 888-4433 W 4W 48 hours o the P public mea". { i Oy ,gib 7 pH�k a. Y s qATi a } i d sp =_kj - Y , x� 2" .k" 9 , t �L0 0!.� ¢N'st' '4 $ 4 i� erg. s� k r' , s 3i >�it� ��&z�� i�,,..� IY 7 t, t j 5 0 0 CITY OF MERIDIAN MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING REGULAR MEETING AGENDA Thursday, June 21, 2001, at 7:00 P.M. City Council Chambers I. Roll -call Attendance: 0 Sally Norton X Jerry Centers X Bill Nary 0 Keven Shreeve X Chairman Keith Borup 2. Adoption of the Agenda: 3. Consent Agenda: A. Approve minutes of May 3, 21001 Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting: Approve 4. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: PP 00-023 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 30 building lots and 2 other lots on 16.4 acres in an R-4 zone for proposed Autumn Faire Subdivision No. 2 by Gemstar Properties, LLC — east of North Black Cat Road and south of West Ustick Road: Continue Public Hearing until August 16, 2001 5. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: CUP 01-017 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for expansion of the chamber office and visitor center in a C -G zone for Meridian Chamber of Commerce by Meridian Chamber of Commerce — 215 East Franklin Road: Continue Public Hearing until August 16, 2001 6. Continued Public Hearing from June 7, 2001: AZ 01-008 Request for annexation and zoning of 12.71 acres from R1and RUT to C -G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc — East Franklin Road west of South Locust Grove Road: Recommend approval to City Council with conditions 7. Continued Public Hearing from June 7, 2001: PP 01-009 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 10 building lots and 3 other lots on 12.71 acres in proposed C -G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc. — East Franklin Road west of Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Agenda — June 21, 2001 Page 1 of 2 All materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilities related to documents and/or hearings please contact the City Clerk's Office at 888-4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting. } 5 1 Y' M �d yuv ' .F~ }u i�. ie s �"`a'„ F 1- 0 0 CITY OF MERIDIAN MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING REGULAR MEETING AGENDA Thursday, June 21, 2001, at 7:00 P.M. City Council Chambers I. Roll -call Attendance: 0 Sally Norton X Jerry Centers X Bill Nary 0 Keven Shreeve X Chairman Keith Borup 2. Adoption of the Agenda: 3. Consent Agenda: A. Approve minutes of May 3, 21001 Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting: Approve 4. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: PP 00-023 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 30 building lots and 2 other lots on 16.4 acres in an R-4 zone for proposed Autumn Faire Subdivision No. 2 by Gemstar Properties, LLC — east of North Black Cat Road and south of West Ustick Road: Continue Public Hearing until August 16, 2001 5. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: CUP 01-017 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for expansion of the chamber office and visitor center in a C -G zone for Meridian Chamber of Commerce by Meridian Chamber of Commerce — 215 East Franklin Road: Continue Public Hearing until August 16, 2001 6. Continued Public Hearing from June 7, 2001: AZ 01-008 Request for annexation and zoning of 12.71 acres from R1and RUT to C -G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc — East Franklin Road west of South Locust Grove Road: Recommend approval to City Council with conditions 7. Continued Public Hearing from June 7, 2001: PP 01-009 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 10 building lots and 3 other lots on 12.71 acres in proposed C -G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc. — East Franklin Road west of Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Agenda — June 21, 2001 Page 1 of 2 All materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilities related to documents and/or hearings please contact the City Clerk's Office at 888-4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting. } 5 1 Y' yuv ' .F~ }u i�. ie 5*?r' F l j C, a .- # }r . South Locust Grove Road: Recommend approval to City Council with conditions 8. Continued Public Hearing from June 7, 2001: CUP 01-015 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a Planned Unit Development for mixed use Residential/Commercial in proposed C -G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision — East Franklin Road west of South Locust Grove Road: Recommend approval to City Council with conditions Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Agenda—June 21, 2001 Page 2 of 2 All materials presented at public meetings shall became property of the City of Meridian. Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilities related to documents and/or hearings please contact the City Clerk's Office at 8684433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting. 4 i {� a �§ 9 t •� 4 C � y R tij t � m� i ? t y} ,t. . 3 e` J s 4t.k r„, n South Locust Grove Road: Recommend approval to City Council with conditions 8. Continued Public Hearing from June 7, 2001: CUP 01-015 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a Planned Unit Development for mixed use Residential/Commercial in proposed C -G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision — East Franklin Road west of South Locust Grove Road: Recommend approval to City Council with conditions Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Agenda—June 21, 2001 Page 2 of 2 All materials presented at public meetings shall became property of the City of Meridian. Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilities related to documents and/or hearings please contact the City Clerk's Office at 8684433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting. 4 i {� a �§ } u� Yr m� i ? t y} ,t. . 3 lC�"-". n� +9 South Locust Grove Road: Recommend approval to City Council with conditions 8. Continued Public Hearing from June 7, 2001: CUP 01-015 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a Planned Unit Development for mixed use Residential/Commercial in proposed C -G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision — East Franklin Road west of South Locust Grove Road: Recommend approval to City Council with conditions Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Agenda—June 21, 2001 Page 2 of 2 All materials presented at public meetings shall became property of the City of Meridian. Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilities related to documents and/or hearings please contact the City Clerk's Office at 8684433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting. 4 i {� a �§ Vk r u� i ? t k 3 lC�"-". Vk r �i. ® 0 _Wridian Planning and Zoning Meeting June 21, 2001 The City of Meridian Planning and Zoning regularly scheduled meeting was called to order at 7:00 P.M., on Thursday, June 21, 2001, by Chairman Keith Borup. Members Present: Keith Borup, Bill Nary and Jerry Centers. Members Absent: Sally Norton and Keven Shreeve. Others Present: Bruce Freckleton, Steve Siddoway, David Swartley and Will Berg. Item 1. Roll -call Attendance: 0 Sally Norton X Jerry Centers X Bill Nary ,0 Keven Shreeve X Chairman Keith Borup Borup: The Planning and Zoning meeting for June 21st. We are getting started a little late. Commissioners in attendance are Commissioner Nary, Commissioner Centers. Commissioner Norton and Commissioner Shreeve are both absent. Commissioner Borup is here. Item 3. Consent Agenda: A. Approve minutes of May 3, 2001 Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting: Borup: The first item on the agenda is approval of the minutes from our May 3`d Planning and Zoning Commission meeting. Do we have any questions or comments from any of the Commissioners? Nary: Mr. Chairman. Borup: Commissioner Nary. Nary: I would move that we approve the minutes of the May 3, 2001 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting. Centers: I would second that. Borup: Motion is second to approve the minutes of May 3rd meeting. All in favor? MOTION CARRIED: TWO AYES, TWO ABSENT t 3 ® 0 _Wridian Planning and Zoning Meeting June 21, 2001 The City of Meridian Planning and Zoning regularly scheduled meeting was called to order at 7:00 P.M., on Thursday, June 21, 2001, by Chairman Keith Borup. Members Present: Keith Borup, Bill Nary and Jerry Centers. Members Absent: Sally Norton and Keven Shreeve. Others Present: Bruce Freckleton, Steve Siddoway, David Swartley and Will Berg. Item 1. Roll -call Attendance: 0 Sally Norton X Jerry Centers X Bill Nary ,0 Keven Shreeve X Chairman Keith Borup Borup: The Planning and Zoning meeting for June 21st. We are getting started a little late. Commissioners in attendance are Commissioner Nary, Commissioner Centers. Commissioner Norton and Commissioner Shreeve are both absent. Commissioner Borup is here. Item 3. Consent Agenda: A. Approve minutes of May 3, 2001 Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting: Borup: The first item on the agenda is approval of the minutes from our May 3`d Planning and Zoning Commission meeting. Do we have any questions or comments from any of the Commissioners? Nary: Mr. Chairman. Borup: Commissioner Nary. Nary: I would move that we approve the minutes of the May 3, 2001 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting. Centers: I would second that. Borup: Motion is second to approve the minutes of May 3rd meeting. All in favor? MOTION CARRIED: TWO AYES, TWO ABSENT �e t. V Meridian Planning and Zoning amission Meeting June 21, 2001 Page 2 4. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: PP 00-023 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 30 building lots and 2 other lots on 16.4 acres in an R-4 zone for proposed Autumn Faire Subdivision No. 2 by Gemstar Properties, LLC — east of North Black Cat Road and south of West Ustick Road: Borup: Okay. Item No. 4 is a Continued Public Hearing from May 17th. It's a request for Preliminary Plat approval of Autumn Faire No. 2. We do have in our packets a copy of a letter from Earl and Associates requesting a continuance due to the fact that there is a sewer study going on now that'll effect their project. Mr. Freckleton, we did have a question for you on this. They stated that they anticipate that study would be completed in early August. Is that a realistic date do you feel and what does early August mean? Freckleton: Mr. Chairman, members of the Commission I'm sorry, I don't have a good answer for you tonight. Brad Watson has been handling this project totally. I haven't had any involvement in it at all. Borup: Our reason for asking is just to determine a reasonable date. Freckleton: I know Scott Stanfield, the Engineer for the applicant has worked closely with Brad on this and I guess I have to assume that the date that he's got mentioned in his letter has probably been coordinated with Brad. Borup: Well, he didn't mention a date. Freckleton: Early August? (Inaudible) thing would be to take your mid -month meeting in August. Borup: That's what we — well, our first meeting's August 2nd . I mean I think in realistic that would be — Freckleton: Probably the 2nd meeting. Borup: That's what we wonder, if the second meeting is realistic. I guess the short answer is you have no idea. Freckleton: Short answer, the final short answer. Borup: Well, Commissioners? Nary: Mr. Chairman. Borup: This is too far out. We don't know what our agenda — how full it is. Centers: Do we need to set a date? d tMi s* Ft 3fit-, v= � a h U+ �a Q .3 & n .: ✓ a �a 5- k § "r n= rf. 7 c# $ 6, t .� t vEV "4"T b { ra H ,. tom' d d q ys r t sty Meridian Planning and Zoning amission Meeting June 21, 2001 Page 2 4. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: PP 00-023 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 30 building lots and 2 other lots on 16.4 acres in an R-4 zone for proposed Autumn Faire Subdivision No. 2 by Gemstar Properties, LLC — east of North Black Cat Road and south of West Ustick Road: Borup: Okay. Item No. 4 is a Continued Public Hearing from May 17th. It's a request for Preliminary Plat approval of Autumn Faire No. 2. We do have in our packets a copy of a letter from Earl and Associates requesting a continuance due to the fact that there is a sewer study going on now that'll effect their project. Mr. Freckleton, we did have a question for you on this. They stated that they anticipate that study would be completed in early August. Is that a realistic date do you feel and what does early August mean? Freckleton: Mr. Chairman, members of the Commission I'm sorry, I don't have a good answer for you tonight. Brad Watson has been handling this project totally. I haven't had any involvement in it at all. Borup: Our reason for asking is just to determine a reasonable date. Freckleton: I know Scott Stanfield, the Engineer for the applicant has worked closely with Brad on this and I guess I have to assume that the date that he's got mentioned in his letter has probably been coordinated with Brad. Borup: Well, he didn't mention a date. Freckleton: Early August? (Inaudible) thing would be to take your mid -month meeting in August. Borup: That's what we — well, our first meeting's August 2nd . I mean I think in realistic that would be — Freckleton: Probably the 2nd meeting. Borup: That's what we wonder, if the second meeting is realistic. I guess the short answer is you have no idea. Freckleton: Short answer, the final short answer. Borup: Well, Commissioners? Nary: Mr. Chairman. Borup: This is too far out. We don't know what our agenda — how full it is. Centers: Do we need to set a date? d An x YY s* Ft 3fit-, v= � a h U+ �a Q .3 & n .: ✓ a �a 5- k § "r rf. 7 c# $ 6, t .� t vEV "4"T b { ra H v 3fit-, v= � tom' d q ^, Meridian Planning and zoning assion Meeting June 21, 2001 Page 4 Centers: I would second that. Borup: Motion second. Any other discussion? I guess that probably does make sense. The only thing that would change my mind is if we knew how full our agenda was and we don't. Okay did staff get any other input from the chamber? Freckleton: I talked with them — Borup: Is another two weeks going to make that much difference to them? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Freckleton: I don't know about that. I don't know why it would. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: That's what I was concerned about. Centers: Mr. Berg had just mentioned there that they are very anxious to try to get moving. Borup: Well that was a motion. All in favor? MOTION CARRIED: TWO AYES, TWO ABSENT Item 6. Continued Public Hearing from June 7, 2001: AZ 01-008 Request for annexation and zoning of 12.71 acres from R1 and RUT to C -G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc — East Franklin Road west of South Locust Grove Road: Item 7. Continued Public Hearing from June 7, 2001: PP 01-009 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 10 building lots and 3 other lots on 12.71 acres in proposed C -G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc. — East Franklin Road west of South Locust Grove Road: Item S. Continued Public Hearing from June 7, 2001: CUP 01-015 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a Planned Unit Development for mixed use Residential/Commercial in proposed C- G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision — East Franklin Road west of South Locust Grove Road: Borup: Items 6, 7 and 8. We'll want to address all these at once. They are also Continued Public Hearings from the last two months. Item No. 6 is a request for v `itA44 ' 1 6 i `•# �'`ifi' At rc 01 At U f 3 .51 oix . . . ' Meridian Planning and Zoning Comission Meeting June 21, 2001 Pages annexation and zoning of 12.71 acres from RUT to C -G and R-40 for Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development. Related to that is also the same project request for Preliminary Plat approval. Item No. 8 is a request for a Conditional Use for a Planned Unit Development. I would like to start with a staff report on these items. Siddoway: Mr. Chairman, members of the Commission. On the screen in front of you is an aerial photo of the area. The proposed location of Baltic Place Is in within the red circle. This is Franklin Road and Stratford Drive coming down this way. You can see the landmark of the Meridian Speedway here. This would be the cemetery and Medimont Subdivision on its east boundary. North of it across Franklin Road is Meridian Business Park. This application is for 12.71 acres. There are two zones requested, C -G and R-40. The C -G portion would be along Franklin Road. You can see the existing surrounding zoning on this plan and the subject parcel is crosshatched. The existing zoning in Medimont is light industrial. Baltic Place also industrial, although the frontage was recently rezoned to commercial and that's not yet showing up in our database. The cemetery is in the County and so is the parcel that's just on its west boundary. I don't know the name of it but it's a juvenile — it's not a detention center but it's a home for juvenile kids on probation. This is a copy of the plat that's on the screen. You can see there are several lots wrapping around the northern portion of the site that would be the commercial lots. Behind it would be the large R-40 portion which will be developed as apartments as you'll see on the site plan shortly. It would be a 228 unit apartment complex. Here it is north is to the right. This is Franklin Road and north would be to the right, the commercial buildings in this location right along Franklin Road with parking and then the ring of apartments and their associated open space and parking south of them. There are 9 commercial lots, 4 common lots and 1 residential apartment R-40 lot. This is before you as a Conditional Use Permit and as a Planned Development. It is in the mixed Planned Use Development area of the Comprehensive Plan. So, it is a Planned Development as well as a Conditional Use Permit. That's where I want to end. To take you through the staff comments briefly and just point out the issues that need to be discussed tonight. I'd just like to point out that annexation site specific requirement No.1 a Development Agreement will be required as a condition of annexation. Item No. 3 at the top of Page 3 is one that the applicant desires to discuss with the Commission tonight. That is the staff requirement that in these commercial areas only office and retail uses will be permitted outright. Other uses would have to be through a Conditional Use Permit. No problem with the annexation and zoning standard requirements. No problems with the plat site specific requirements or the general requirements. On the Conditional Use Permit requirements, go to Page 8, -- let's see, 1 skipped over one didn't I? Oh, I skipped over annexation and zoning standard requirement No. 1. That would be back on Page 3 where we just were. The first item under annexation and zoning standard requirements, the tiling of ditches. The applicant would like to discuss the need to tile the Hunter Lateral. Their desire is to keep it open. So, it would actually require a waiver from City Council AN Pt n„ x `t k r� ' Meridian Planning and Zoning Comission Meeting June 21, 2001 Pages annexation and zoning of 12.71 acres from RUT to C -G and R-40 for Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development. Related to that is also the same project request for Preliminary Plat approval. Item No. 8 is a request for a Conditional Use for a Planned Unit Development. I would like to start with a staff report on these items. Siddoway: Mr. Chairman, members of the Commission. On the screen in front of you is an aerial photo of the area. The proposed location of Baltic Place Is in within the red circle. This is Franklin Road and Stratford Drive coming down this way. You can see the landmark of the Meridian Speedway here. This would be the cemetery and Medimont Subdivision on its east boundary. North of it across Franklin Road is Meridian Business Park. This application is for 12.71 acres. There are two zones requested, C -G and R-40. The C -G portion would be along Franklin Road. You can see the existing surrounding zoning on this plan and the subject parcel is crosshatched. The existing zoning in Medimont is light industrial. Baltic Place also industrial, although the frontage was recently rezoned to commercial and that's not yet showing up in our database. The cemetery is in the County and so is the parcel that's just on its west boundary. I don't know the name of it but it's a juvenile — it's not a detention center but it's a home for juvenile kids on probation. This is a copy of the plat that's on the screen. You can see there are several lots wrapping around the northern portion of the site that would be the commercial lots. Behind it would be the large R-40 portion which will be developed as apartments as you'll see on the site plan shortly. It would be a 228 unit apartment complex. Here it is north is to the right. This is Franklin Road and north would be to the right, the commercial buildings in this location right along Franklin Road with parking and then the ring of apartments and their associated open space and parking south of them. There are 9 commercial lots, 4 common lots and 1 residential apartment R-40 lot. This is before you as a Conditional Use Permit and as a Planned Development. It is in the mixed Planned Use Development area of the Comprehensive Plan. So, it is a Planned Development as well as a Conditional Use Permit. That's where I want to end. To take you through the staff comments briefly and just point out the issues that need to be discussed tonight. I'd just like to point out that annexation site specific requirement No.1 a Development Agreement will be required as a condition of annexation. Item No. 3 at the top of Page 3 is one that the applicant desires to discuss with the Commission tonight. That is the staff requirement that in these commercial areas only office and retail uses will be permitted outright. Other uses would have to be through a Conditional Use Permit. No problem with the annexation and zoning standard requirements. No problems with the plat site specific requirements or the general requirements. On the Conditional Use Permit requirements, go to Page 8, -- let's see, 1 skipped over one didn't I? Oh, I skipped over annexation and zoning standard requirement No. 1. That would be back on Page 3 where we just were. The first item under annexation and zoning standard requirements, the tiling of ditches. The applicant would like to discuss the need to tile the Hunter Lateral. Their desire is to keep it open. So, it would actually require a waiver from City Council AN Pt n„ >fi `t k ' Meridian Planning and Zoning Comission Meeting June 21, 2001 Pages annexation and zoning of 12.71 acres from RUT to C -G and R-40 for Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development. Related to that is also the same project request for Preliminary Plat approval. Item No. 8 is a request for a Conditional Use for a Planned Unit Development. I would like to start with a staff report on these items. Siddoway: Mr. Chairman, members of the Commission. On the screen in front of you is an aerial photo of the area. The proposed location of Baltic Place Is in within the red circle. This is Franklin Road and Stratford Drive coming down this way. You can see the landmark of the Meridian Speedway here. This would be the cemetery and Medimont Subdivision on its east boundary. North of it across Franklin Road is Meridian Business Park. This application is for 12.71 acres. There are two zones requested, C -G and R-40. The C -G portion would be along Franklin Road. You can see the existing surrounding zoning on this plan and the subject parcel is crosshatched. The existing zoning in Medimont is light industrial. Baltic Place also industrial, although the frontage was recently rezoned to commercial and that's not yet showing up in our database. The cemetery is in the County and so is the parcel that's just on its west boundary. I don't know the name of it but it's a juvenile — it's not a detention center but it's a home for juvenile kids on probation. This is a copy of the plat that's on the screen. You can see there are several lots wrapping around the northern portion of the site that would be the commercial lots. Behind it would be the large R-40 portion which will be developed as apartments as you'll see on the site plan shortly. It would be a 228 unit apartment complex. Here it is north is to the right. This is Franklin Road and north would be to the right, the commercial buildings in this location right along Franklin Road with parking and then the ring of apartments and their associated open space and parking south of them. There are 9 commercial lots, 4 common lots and 1 residential apartment R-40 lot. This is before you as a Conditional Use Permit and as a Planned Development. It is in the mixed Planned Use Development area of the Comprehensive Plan. So, it is a Planned Development as well as a Conditional Use Permit. That's where I want to end. To take you through the staff comments briefly and just point out the issues that need to be discussed tonight. I'd just like to point out that annexation site specific requirement No.1 a Development Agreement will be required as a condition of annexation. Item No. 3 at the top of Page 3 is one that the applicant desires to discuss with the Commission tonight. That is the staff requirement that in these commercial areas only office and retail uses will be permitted outright. Other uses would have to be through a Conditional Use Permit. No problem with the annexation and zoning standard requirements. No problems with the plat site specific requirements or the general requirements. On the Conditional Use Permit requirements, go to Page 8, -- let's see, 1 skipped over one didn't I? Oh, I skipped over annexation and zoning standard requirement No. 1. That would be back on Page 3 where we just were. The first item under annexation and zoning standard requirements, the tiling of ditches. The applicant would like to discuss the need to tile the Hunter Lateral. Their desire is to keep it open. So, it would actually require a waiver from City Council AN Pt n„ Meridian Planning and Zoning #mission Meeting o June 21, 2001 Page 6 although the Commission can certainly make a recommendation on that issue. The staff comment currently reads that it is to be tiled. The question is, is whether it may remain open. Okay back to the Conditional Use Permit site- specific requirements. On Page 8, Items 5, 6, 7 and 8 are wanting to be discussed. Five would be we are requesting that the applicant state the hours of operation for the uses. Item No. 6 is related to a 10 -foot landscape buffer along Baltic Place. Item 7, this is dealing with the landscaping and the planter islands. The applicant actually has a color graphic that will help show you the landscape better than this plan does. The written comment on seven says that no more than 12 spaces in a row without an internal planter island. That's straight out of the Ordinance. The applicant is proposing that, that be stretched in a couple of places to allow for 13 in a few places and I think 14 in one or two places. In the meetings that I've had with the applicant, from my perspective I don't really see a big problem with that. This is a Planned Development and as such, those types of conditions can be altered without actually filing a variance. I would just have the applicant make the presentation to you and have you make that decision. Item No. 8 is dealing with fencing. I'm not really sure what the issue is there so I'll let the applicant tackle that one. With that I will stand for any questions. Borup: Any questions? Centers: Mr. Chairman. Steve, without me going through and totaling it, what was the total amount of open space in the percentage? I didn't read it. Siddoway: I don't know that it was ever presented to us. Its certainly more than the 10 percent. We'll have the applicant address that. I don't know. Borup: Anyone else? Okay, I'm sure we'll have somemore staff questions. Would the applicant like to come forward and make their presentation? Nickel: Thank you Mr. Chairman, members of the Commission. Nice to see you all again this evening. My name is Shawn Nickel. I'm with Land Consultants Incorporated, 52 North Second Street in Eagle. I'm representing L.C. Development this evening. Mr. Lee Centers is present and also I brought with me Matt Munger from Hubble Engineering, the Project Engineer. If any specific engineering questions do arise tonight he'll be able to address them. Are we going to take all three applications at once? Borup: Yes. Nickel: Good — Borup: — just go down through your — Nickel: I can do that. The staff did a good job explaining the merits of the project. We do want to thank staff for helping us because we had a lot more z z en , ' a #!i k µay rys I �+r 4 It x f kta ka t� �s 5J3 s. M, k Meridian Planning and Zoning #mission Meeting o June 21, 2001 Page 6 although the Commission can certainly make a recommendation on that issue. The staff comment currently reads that it is to be tiled. The question is, is whether it may remain open. Okay back to the Conditional Use Permit site- specific requirements. On Page 8, Items 5, 6, 7 and 8 are wanting to be discussed. Five would be we are requesting that the applicant state the hours of operation for the uses. Item No. 6 is related to a 10 -foot landscape buffer along Baltic Place. Item 7, this is dealing with the landscaping and the planter islands. The applicant actually has a color graphic that will help show you the landscape better than this plan does. The written comment on seven says that no more than 12 spaces in a row without an internal planter island. That's straight out of the Ordinance. The applicant is proposing that, that be stretched in a couple of places to allow for 13 in a few places and I think 14 in one or two places. In the meetings that I've had with the applicant, from my perspective I don't really see a big problem with that. This is a Planned Development and as such, those types of conditions can be altered without actually filing a variance. I would just have the applicant make the presentation to you and have you make that decision. Item No. 8 is dealing with fencing. I'm not really sure what the issue is there so I'll let the applicant tackle that one. With that I will stand for any questions. Borup: Any questions? Centers: Mr. Chairman. Steve, without me going through and totaling it, what was the total amount of open space in the percentage? I didn't read it. Siddoway: I don't know that it was ever presented to us. Its certainly more than the 10 percent. We'll have the applicant address that. I don't know. Borup: Anyone else? Okay, I'm sure we'll have somemore staff questions. Would the applicant like to come forward and make their presentation? Nickel: Thank you Mr. Chairman, members of the Commission. Nice to see you all again this evening. My name is Shawn Nickel. I'm with Land Consultants Incorporated, 52 North Second Street in Eagle. I'm representing L.C. Development this evening. Mr. Lee Centers is present and also I brought with me Matt Munger from Hubble Engineering, the Project Engineer. If any specific engineering questions do arise tonight he'll be able to address them. Are we going to take all three applications at once? Borup: Yes. Nickel: Good — Borup: — just go down through your — Nickel: I can do that. The staff did a good job explaining the merits of the project. We do want to thank staff for helping us because we had a lot more en , ' #!i µay rys It kta a t s. M, rcl f ,- y . r't n; ✓ a Wirtz �n44�` 3 •� , oy Meridian Planning and Zoning Gornission Meng o June 21, 2001 Page 7 issues that we did get to resolve before we came here this evening and we narrowed it down to 6 or 7. Some of them are just more or less questions than contentions. Item No. 3 on the annexation site specific requirements. Borup: I assume by that, that you do not want it limited to those two uses, office and retail? Is that the concern? Nickel: Yes I understand why the City likes to review those applications and there are some uses within the C -G zone that I believe that Planning and Zoning Commission and staff should review. In looking through the Zoning Ordinance in the C -G designation, you do require a Conditional Use Permit for a service station and the laundromats and convenience stores things like that. We would just like to maybe the principal permitted be principal permitted with the C -G zone. It's very similar to what we did out at the Hubble Engineering plat a couple years ago where we actually put in our Development Agreement that we limited certain uses that were outright prohibited. You know service stations were one of them. The applicant would like to just have the flexibility. He doesn't have any intentions of having those extreme uses in the commercial part of the subdivision. Those are Conditional Uses now and they would remain that way. So, we would just like to have the principal permitted uses be principal permitted within the C -G zone. Borup: Which includes service stations — Nickel: Service stations, I believe are Conditional Uses listed. If for some reason someone wanted to come in and do that it would have to go through a Conditional Use Permit and come back through you. Borup: Not on my chart. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nickel: Let me double check but if its not on your chart we would agree to make that a Conditional Use. Nary: The one I have. The 11-81 shows it as a permitted use. Borup: Okay 1 didn't think those had changed. Nickel: Under the C -G zone? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: Service stations and car washes. 4 �s �� xY 9i xX 4 t% r ��z 3 Meridian Planning and Zoning Gornission Meng o June 21, 2001 Page 7 issues that we did get to resolve before we came here this evening and we narrowed it down to 6 or 7. Some of them are just more or less questions than contentions. Item No. 3 on the annexation site specific requirements. Borup: I assume by that, that you do not want it limited to those two uses, office and retail? Is that the concern? Nickel: Yes I understand why the City likes to review those applications and there are some uses within the C -G zone that I believe that Planning and Zoning Commission and staff should review. In looking through the Zoning Ordinance in the C -G designation, you do require a Conditional Use Permit for a service station and the laundromats and convenience stores things like that. We would just like to maybe the principal permitted be principal permitted with the C -G zone. It's very similar to what we did out at the Hubble Engineering plat a couple years ago where we actually put in our Development Agreement that we limited certain uses that were outright prohibited. You know service stations were one of them. The applicant would like to just have the flexibility. He doesn't have any intentions of having those extreme uses in the commercial part of the subdivision. Those are Conditional Uses now and they would remain that way. So, we would just like to have the principal permitted uses be principal permitted within the C -G zone. Borup: Which includes service stations — Nickel: Service stations, I believe are Conditional Uses listed. If for some reason someone wanted to come in and do that it would have to go through a Conditional Use Permit and come back through you. Borup: Not on my chart. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nickel: Let me double check but if its not on your chart we would agree to make that a Conditional Use. Nary: The one I have. The 11-81 shows it as a permitted use. Borup: Okay 1 didn't think those had changed. Nickel: Under the C -G zone? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: Service stations and car washes. 4 n001- lAl 9i xX 4 t% r ��z 3 ter Fx3'i: sz � Y41 f Meridian Planning and Zoning Gornission Meng o June 21, 2001 Page 7 issues that we did get to resolve before we came here this evening and we narrowed it down to 6 or 7. Some of them are just more or less questions than contentions. Item No. 3 on the annexation site specific requirements. Borup: I assume by that, that you do not want it limited to those two uses, office and retail? Is that the concern? Nickel: Yes I understand why the City likes to review those applications and there are some uses within the C -G zone that I believe that Planning and Zoning Commission and staff should review. In looking through the Zoning Ordinance in the C -G designation, you do require a Conditional Use Permit for a service station and the laundromats and convenience stores things like that. We would just like to maybe the principal permitted be principal permitted with the C -G zone. It's very similar to what we did out at the Hubble Engineering plat a couple years ago where we actually put in our Development Agreement that we limited certain uses that were outright prohibited. You know service stations were one of them. The applicant would like to just have the flexibility. He doesn't have any intentions of having those extreme uses in the commercial part of the subdivision. Those are Conditional Uses now and they would remain that way. So, we would just like to have the principal permitted uses be principal permitted within the C -G zone. Borup: Which includes service stations — Nickel: Service stations, I believe are Conditional Uses listed. If for some reason someone wanted to come in and do that it would have to go through a Conditional Use Permit and come back through you. Borup: Not on my chart. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nickel: Let me double check but if its not on your chart we would agree to make that a Conditional Use. Nary: The one I have. The 11-81 shows it as a permitted use. Borup: Okay 1 didn't think those had changed. Nickel: Under the C -G zone? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: Service stations and car washes. 4 n001- lAl xX 4 t% 3 ter Fx3'i: sz � Y41 f IN p Meridian Planning and Zoning Gornission Meng o June 21, 2001 Page 7 issues that we did get to resolve before we came here this evening and we narrowed it down to 6 or 7. Some of them are just more or less questions than contentions. Item No. 3 on the annexation site specific requirements. Borup: I assume by that, that you do not want it limited to those two uses, office and retail? Is that the concern? Nickel: Yes I understand why the City likes to review those applications and there are some uses within the C -G zone that I believe that Planning and Zoning Commission and staff should review. In looking through the Zoning Ordinance in the C -G designation, you do require a Conditional Use Permit for a service station and the laundromats and convenience stores things like that. We would just like to maybe the principal permitted be principal permitted with the C -G zone. It's very similar to what we did out at the Hubble Engineering plat a couple years ago where we actually put in our Development Agreement that we limited certain uses that were outright prohibited. You know service stations were one of them. The applicant would like to just have the flexibility. He doesn't have any intentions of having those extreme uses in the commercial part of the subdivision. Those are Conditional Uses now and they would remain that way. So, we would just like to have the principal permitted uses be principal permitted within the C -G zone. Borup: Which includes service stations — Nickel: Service stations, I believe are Conditional Uses listed. If for some reason someone wanted to come in and do that it would have to go through a Conditional Use Permit and come back through you. Borup: Not on my chart. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nickel: Let me double check but if its not on your chart we would agree to make that a Conditional Use. Nary: The one I have. The 11-81 shows it as a permitted use. Borup: Okay 1 didn't think those had changed. Nickel: Under the C -G zone? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: Service stations and car washes. n001- lAl xX 4 t% 3 H 4 a IN p o t� f, OilVtiJ AV t +n y �omllm 01 4 � J y-, �"'�,`� �S�ai✓ �?NPk� INT i�, 'Al a Meridian Planning and Zoning Anisslon Meeting e June 21, 2001 Page a Borup: The only reason I brought that up is because you specifically mentioned it. Nickel: Right, okay. Nary: Bus stations. Nickels: If there are specific uses that the Commission would like to put in the Development Agreement that they would remain a Conditional Use Permit that would be fine with us. Nary: Like a bus station? Nickels: Yes bus station, service station anything like that. If you want to go down the list we could do that, or you can just make a recommendation to the City Council and we would provide a list for them. However you would like us to handle that. Borup: Yes, Commissioner Nary. Nary: I guess, Mr. Nickel, what I'm curious on this point is that what they're saying is retail. I don't know whether or not what the planning staffs preference to sort of define what it means when it says retail and residential, office and retail I'm sorry are the only ones allowed because there's other things that I don't know. Certainly sometimes certain types of car washes have a retail attachment to them or something like that. I'm not sure. It certain seems to me that office and retail is pretty broad. Nickels: Right. Nary: It would only eliminate certain things like probably a gas station. I'm not going to assume there's going to be a bus station there anyway. Borup: But, isn't a gas station retail? Nary: That's what I'm saying is some of them do, most of them do anymore. I'm not sure but my assumption was that there would probably be some further discussion as to what that means once the actual agreement gets drafted. So, I think they are kind of giving you what you're asking for. I don't know how much more open ended you can make it. Nickel: One use, if 1 may, one use that does pop into my mind would be a day care center for example. That would be required to do a Conditional Use Permit under the Development Agreement that's currently proposed. That would be one we would like to have remain a principal permitted use. Not subject to go back through the Conditional Use process again. We feel that right now, we're going � 1 Ort =50444 f r arz. iN� fk » e gra{ , it z sy S,y { c � . Meridian Planning and Zoning Aission Meeting June 21, 2001 Page 8 through a Conditional Use Permit for the project, for the apartment complex and also for the commercial office buildings that were part of our design. Nary: Mr. Nickel, a childcare center is a Conditional Use in a C -G zone. Borup: Right. That's what I was going to say too. Nary: You're saying you wanted a permitted use? Nickel: I believe there are some day cares. Centers: Would it be easier to list the ones that you prefer, rather than the ones to delete? Sorup: It'll probably be easier to delete them. It depends on — maybe staff could give some Input. Were there some specific uses that you were concerned about? I assume matter of fact, heavy manufacturing and anything else? Siddoway: Heavy Manufacturing would be prohibited in C -G anyway. Borup: Okay so what uses were you — I think maybe the question would be like Commissioner Nary mentioned. What's the definition of retail? I mean there is no definition in our ordinance is there? Would that be up to staffs interpretation, or whose? Siddoway: It does get a little airy in that I'll just pull an example off of here. Okay bakery stores, we do have retail listed. Retail stores, if they want to do a bakery and it's not — (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members Siddoway: -- then does it have to go through a Conditional Use Permit? That could be a problem in my mind so I don't think we would really have a problem with a bakery going in. I honestly don't know where the requirement came from to give an exact response. A lot of the concern goes with convenience stores q� and things but they're a conditional use in C -G. Nary: 1 don't see day care as defined as separately than childcare. Siddoway: Cay cares definitely require a Conditional Use Permit and I think it should. Nary: And a childcare center requires it already. Nickel: If it does require it I'm not going to sit up here and say bring it back down to principal permitted use. You can keep it as a Conditional Use Permit. I would v S xC }k f y ` F YY!!lA 5 �«t Meridian Planning and Zoning Assion Meetlng June 21, 2001 Page 10 just like to stick with the principal permitted uses in the zone. What we find is that a potential business will look at the code, see that it's principal permitted. Then they have to now go through the four-month process to get a Conditional Use Permit approved for what they feel is a principal permitted use. They might go over to Boise where a principal permitted use is just that permitted and they can get a Building Permit and go through design review. Then they're off in a month. That's kind of where the concern originated from. I do understand and appreciate the need for the Conditional Use approval process and I don't want to get around that. Nary: So, if I understand you, Mr. Nickel, then there wouldn't be a need for a Development Agreement if you could already have all the permitted uses in a C- G zone (inaudible). Nickel: I would ask that of the attorney. I guess not I don't know what else we would be — Nary: So, if we think a Development Agreement is appropriate with some limitation, then you would just like us to not be too restrictive on those limitations? Nickel: And if you see some uses within the C -G zone that are principal that you feel uncomfortable with, then by all means we can discuss those and you can add that to the Development Agreement to go through the Conditional Use process. I think that's kind of where we're headed with that. Borup: I think maybe we could handle that in a couple of minutes. I just went through the list. I don't know if these are necessarily -- the bus and rail, the sites not big enough to handle that anyway but I assume that's not an anticipated use. That could be excluded. How about hotel? That could be -- those are the only two 1 saw other than maybe, there's one under the industrial, where did it go? Heavy farm equipment sales and repair. I don't know why that would necessarily be an objection either. Nary: I guess, Mr. Chairman — Borup: Not in this location. Nary: -- my only thought would be if there's a specific concern that the planning staff has to what type of uses in this particular location. That's probably what we would want to include. Those require a Conditional Use. The ones that already require it, that's not an issue. So, it's just the permitted ones that you have some concern that we need to. That's fine. Certainly (inaudible) the ones that are fairly obvious and if there are some of the other ones that aren't. Nickels: I think what I did is when I was reading over for day care, I skipped down a line and saw P instead of C. �.ya �r I N i Meridian Planning and Zoning Assion Meetlng June 21, 2001 Page 10 just like to stick with the principal permitted uses in the zone. What we find is that a potential business will look at the code, see that it's principal permitted. Then they have to now go through the four-month process to get a Conditional Use Permit approved for what they feel is a principal permitted use. They might go over to Boise where a principal permitted use is just that permitted and they can get a Building Permit and go through design review. Then they're off in a month. That's kind of where the concern originated from. I do understand and appreciate the need for the Conditional Use approval process and I don't want to get around that. Nary: So, if I understand you, Mr. Nickel, then there wouldn't be a need for a Development Agreement if you could already have all the permitted uses in a C- G zone (inaudible). Nickel: I would ask that of the attorney. I guess not I don't know what else we would be — Nary: So, if we think a Development Agreement is appropriate with some limitation, then you would just like us to not be too restrictive on those limitations? Nickel: And if you see some uses within the C -G zone that are principal that you feel uncomfortable with, then by all means we can discuss those and you can add that to the Development Agreement to go through the Conditional Use process. I think that's kind of where we're headed with that. Borup: I think maybe we could handle that in a couple of minutes. I just went through the list. I don't know if these are necessarily -- the bus and rail, the sites not big enough to handle that anyway but I assume that's not an anticipated use. That could be excluded. How about hotel? That could be -- those are the only two 1 saw other than maybe, there's one under the industrial, where did it go? Heavy farm equipment sales and repair. I don't know why that would necessarily be an objection either. Nary: I guess, Mr. Chairman — Borup: Not in this location. Nary: -- my only thought would be if there's a specific concern that the planning staff has to what type of uses in this particular location. That's probably what we would want to include. Those require a Conditional Use. The ones that already require it, that's not an issue. So, it's just the permitted ones that you have some concern that we need to. That's fine. Certainly (inaudible) the ones that are fairly obvious and if there are some of the other ones that aren't. Nickels: I think what I did is when I was reading over for day care, I skipped down a line and saw P instead of C. �.ya Meridian Planning and Zoning Almlon Meeting June 21, 2001 Page 11 Siddoway: I did find the service station that is permitted. t is confusing because we do have service stations listed but before it — under the As we have Automobile Service Stations. Automobile Service Stations are permitted but service stations are a Conditional Use. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: I don't know what other kind of service stations there are. Borup: That's what I was going to ask. Tell us the difference. Siddoway: I cannot. So, if we restricted Automobile Service Stations — Borup: That was a concern too, service stations? Siddoway: I think so. Borup: Okay that — bus terminal and hotel. Do you see anything else on the list? Siddoway, I'm scanning. I haven't — Borup: — I went by them one at a time. Other than heavy equipment — I think we could use some logic here too. I mean there are certain things that are just not going to be accommodated there whether they are allowed or not. Siddoway: Maybe while Mr. Nickel has the rest of his stuff to speak to. We (inaudible). Borup: Yes because we're approving the plat to have some of these other more intensive use they'd have to redesign the plat. Nickels: I apologize for •- I didn't want to make it so — Borup: You're saying the same thing other applicants have said in the past. Nickels: It's just allowing that flexibility. I do really believe that if a potential owner does see that P on there for principal permitted if they're required to go through a Conditional Use process, it could make or break the deal so to speak. We just want that flexibility. Whatever you're comfortable with I believe we can agree to. Borup: Those three items, do you think that would cover things Steve? rail i. aft �. , &Zv w� 1 Y 3� J Meridian Planning and Zoning #mission Meeting June 21, 2001 Page 12 Siddoway: Just scanning through, I'm not seeing any others that are of concern to me. Borup: Anything else from any of the Commissioners? So that would be acceptable if we exempt those three items? Service station, bus and train terminals and hotel from the permitted use? Siddoway: Yes. Borup: That would it — those three items? Nickel: Yes sir. Borup: Then that would leave — so then for the Commissioners that would -- Item No. 3 in the staff comments that would delete the necessity of the Development Agreement. Is that what we're saying? We still need a Development Agreement? Nary: Right. Borup: But, it just won't have the condition on the office and retail as only? Nary: Right. Borup: Rather than saying those would be the only uses, we'd be saying the other three are not allowed and would be deleted from the permitted uses or however. (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: Talking about this, the permitted uses allowed. Wholesale facilities is that a retail outlet? Is that a concern as a permitted use it also indicates truck stops — Borup: Which Item is that? Nary: In the C -G zone, wholesale facilities, truck stops are allowed as a permitted use. Siddoway: There you go. Nary: Storage facilities — Borup: We missed — what page was that on? Siddoway: Its in the industrial section and it does list them under the C -G zone. k�, IV' p,x q', V 'R . . . . . . . . . . .......... Meridian Planning and Zoning #mission Meeting June 21, 2001 Page 12 Siddoway: Just scanning through, I'm not seeing any others that are of concern to me. Borup: Anything else from any of the Commissioners? So that would be acceptable if we exempt those three items? Service station, bus and train terminals and hotel from the permitted use? Siddoway: Yes. Borup: That would it — those three items? Nickel: Yes sir. Borup: Then that would leave — so then for the Commissioners that would -- Item No. 3 in the staff comments that would delete the necessity of the Development Agreement. Is that what we're saying? We still need a Development Agreement? Nary: Right. Borup: But, it just won't have the condition on the office and retail as only? Nary: Right. Borup: Rather than saying those would be the only uses, we'd be saying the other three are not allowed and would be deleted from the permitted uses or however. (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: Talking about this, the permitted uses allowed. Wholesale facilities is that a retail outlet? Is that a concern as a permitted use it also indicates truck stops — Borup: Which Item is that? Nary: In the C -G zone, wholesale facilities, truck stops are allowed as a permitted use. Siddoway: There you go. Nary: Storage facilities — Borup: We missed — what page was that on? Siddoway: Its in the industrial section and it does list them under the C -G zone. k�, IV' p,x q', V Meridian Planning and Zoning #mission Meeting June 21, 2001 Page 12 Siddoway: Just scanning through, I'm not seeing any others that are of concern to me. Borup: Anything else from any of the Commissioners? So that would be acceptable if we exempt those three items? Service station, bus and train terminals and hotel from the permitted use? Siddoway: Yes. Borup: That would it — those three items? Nickel: Yes sir. Borup: Then that would leave — so then for the Commissioners that would -- Item No. 3 in the staff comments that would delete the necessity of the Development Agreement. Is that what we're saying? We still need a Development Agreement? Nary: Right. Borup: But, it just won't have the condition on the office and retail as only? Nary: Right. Borup: Rather than saying those would be the only uses, we'd be saying the other three are not allowed and would be deleted from the permitted uses or however. (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: Talking about this, the permitted uses allowed. Wholesale facilities is that a retail outlet? Is that a concern as a permitted use it also indicates truck stops — Borup: Which Item is that? Nary: In the C -G zone, wholesale facilities, truck stops are allowed as a permitted use. Siddoway: There you go. Nary: Storage facilities — Borup: We missed — what page was that on? Siddoway: Its in the industrial section and it does list them under the C -G zone. k�, p,x q', I I yl� ¢y 4 �n Meridian Planning and Zoning Simian Meeting June 21, 2001 Page 13 Nary: (Inaudible) commercial and a C -G zone. Those types of things do sometimes get people, well truck stops certainly do. Wholesale facility, depends on the size of it and the storage facility. Again, it depends. There are certainly people that have some concerns about those types of things on occasion. Again another reason that may have been listed as (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: You could simply exclude all industrial uses from the permitted list. Nary: Which is I think the reason that it was written more in the affirmative of let's allow these uses rather than let's exclude the others. So that we didn't get into this laundry list of trying to use it. I could see that there would be some concerns about some of those types of uses, or could be at least in that particular location. Laundromats, I don't know if people have a concern about those kinds of things there. That's another listed permitted use. I don't know if the City has a concern in allowing that outright at this juncture. I don't know. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: It sounds like maybe we ought to pass on this for right now. While the meeting is going on is there someone who can compile a list that we can come back to? Nary: In the industrial section it lists, automobile wrecking yard. Not that you're going to do that there but it's just another thing — Siddoway: I'll do the list. Borup: You'll do it? Siddoway: I'll write one up. Borup: I was going to say, Mr. Centers, would you want to look through this too while he's doing that while we go on? Would that help you? Centers: I think it's these two pages here so why don't you take those (inaudible). Borup: Okay let's go on to the next item. Nickel: Thank you. The next item was annexation and zoning standard requirement No. 1. That's your standard requirement stating that all irrigation ditches, laterals or canals intersecting, crossing or laying adjacent and contiguous to a parcel shall be tiled per City Ordinance. In our discussions with staff early on, I thought we had come to the conclusion that we were going to be 2 FX YL # tt f}N { k ,..ms's, .� i P b +�. F YtP,u35i+�*?i3�5� .7`t e�h fi .ua ft :P �`, 4 ,{ .G � ✓ .SSW �'�a�`�� 0 4 � sr� c r &�rFAp tk�� + i 51 Meridian Planning and Zoning Sission Meeting June 21, 2001 Page 14 allowed to fence the Hunter Lateral which is on the south boundary of our property. It is completely off of our site. The easement is all that lies adjacent to our property. Borup: Adjacent or part of your property? Nickel: No, its adjacent. (Inaudible) the easement comes onto our property. The lateral itself is off of our property. Borup: Right because your plat shows — Centers: Part of the easement is on your property? Nickel: Part of the easement, correct. But the entire lateral is off of the property. Our intention was to provide a six-foot chainlink fence along the easement line of that canal but leave the canal open. For obvious safety reasons, it would be solid. There wouldn't be any access points within the canal. Borup: Do you understand the reason that's there is because that's a City Ordinance? Nickel: Correct. I do know that we have been able to apply for waivers in the past on that and I guess that's what we'd be asking for tonight. Borup: We'd be in a position where we could make a recommendation but City Council would be the one to grant the waiver. Nickel: Right and I would hope that —that's what we would ask for tonight is that if you could make that recommendation. Borup: Now, can you tell us the status of that ditch on both sides of you and through other developments? Nickel: I believe there's a proposed pathway along the south side of the ditch. Steve, could you verify that? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nickel: The south side of the Hunter Lateral does have a designation for a future pathway I believe. Siddoway: I don't believe there is a pathway along that Hunter. Pathways follow all the natural drains. Hold on one second let me go get the map. Nickel: Maybe it's just something that's used as a pathway — r ra "s "11F, �t w. a 4't 6 Ni. rn z i; `w Meridian Planning and Zoning Sission Meeting June 21, 2001 Page 14 allowed to fence the Hunter Lateral which is on the south boundary of our property. It is completely off of our site. The easement is all that lies adjacent to our property. Borup: Adjacent or part of your property? Nickel: No, its adjacent. (Inaudible) the easement comes onto our property. The lateral itself is off of our property. Borup: Right because your plat shows — Centers: Part of the easement is on your property? Nickel: Part of the easement, correct. But the entire lateral is off of the property. Our intention was to provide a six-foot chainlink fence along the easement line of that canal but leave the canal open. For obvious safety reasons, it would be solid. There wouldn't be any access points within the canal. Borup: Do you understand the reason that's there is because that's a City Ordinance? Nickel: Correct. I do know that we have been able to apply for waivers in the past on that and I guess that's what we'd be asking for tonight. Borup: We'd be in a position where we could make a recommendation but City Council would be the one to grant the waiver. Nickel: Right and I would hope that —that's what we would ask for tonight is that if you could make that recommendation. Borup: Now, can you tell us the status of that ditch on both sides of you and through other developments? Nickel: I believe there's a proposed pathway along the south side of the ditch. Steve, could you verify that? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nickel: The south side of the Hunter Lateral does have a designation for a future pathway I believe. Siddoway: I don't believe there is a pathway along that Hunter. Pathways follow all the natural drains. Hold on one second let me go get the map. Nickel: Maybe it's just something that's used as a pathway — r ra "s "11F, Siddoway: Mr. Chairman the City does not require a pathway along there according to the Comprehensive Plan. If they are proposing to leave it open, 1 would say at the least it should be improved somehow to become an amenity not just the fact that its being left open. I mean, you certainly could do a pathway along it as part of their development but the City is not requiring one that will connect to other places in the City. If it is left open, it would certainly at least be an amenity. Nickel: i guess our concern is that we don't own the canal. It's off our property. If it was on the property I could understand maybe requiring it to be tiled. Nary: Mr. Chairman. Borup: Commissioner Nary. Nary: I'm looking at the Ordinance here though, Mr. Nickel and it does require it if its adjacent to your property. It does require under the Ordinance to waive that e Meridian Planning and honing Omission Meeting June 21, 2001 Page 15 - a is iY w Borup: Maybe it is. LFY.. . 'z Nary: Mr. Chairman. 1 Borup: Commissioner Nary. Nary: What's the reason you want to waive it? r� N° Nickel: Just to leave it natural. That's one reason to have the chainlink fence as opposed to a solid cedar fence is to allow part of the apartments — Centers: It's on the far left end of the drawing? r Nickel: Right. Borup: Has there been any — (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) - Nickel: Just more of a visual. Borup: Has there been any discussion with the Irrigation District? ,. Nickel: The fence that we provide would be on the easement line. Borup: I mean, you haven't talked to them about this then? Nickel: No, we haven't. Siddoway: Mr. Chairman the City does not require a pathway along there according to the Comprehensive Plan. If they are proposing to leave it open, 1 would say at the least it should be improved somehow to become an amenity not just the fact that its being left open. I mean, you certainly could do a pathway along it as part of their development but the City is not requiring one that will connect to other places in the City. If it is left open, it would certainly at least be an amenity. Nickel: i guess our concern is that we don't own the canal. It's off our property. If it was on the property I could understand maybe requiring it to be tiled. Nary: Mr. Chairman. Borup: Commissioner Nary. Nary: I'm looking at the Ordinance here though, Mr. Nickel and it does require it if its adjacent to your property. It does require under the Ordinance to waive that s� J 1 is iY w LFY.. . Siddoway: Mr. Chairman the City does not require a pathway along there according to the Comprehensive Plan. If they are proposing to leave it open, 1 would say at the least it should be improved somehow to become an amenity not just the fact that its being left open. I mean, you certainly could do a pathway along it as part of their development but the City is not requiring one that will connect to other places in the City. If it is left open, it would certainly at least be an amenity. Nickel: i guess our concern is that we don't own the canal. It's off our property. If it was on the property I could understand maybe requiring it to be tiled. Nary: Mr. Chairman. Borup: Commissioner Nary. Nary: I'm looking at the Ordinance here though, Mr. Nickel and it does require it if its adjacent to your property. It does require under the Ordinance to waive that J 1 is iY w LFY.. . 1 T Zoning fission Meeting Meridian Planning and June 21, 2001 Page 17 M, (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) = Borup: There should have been a notice sent to them, whoever it is. A.' Nickel: You guys sent the notices. The City would have sent the notice. There is a pathway along the cemetery side of the canal. I do know that. Borup: There is, so it would be on the north side. Nickel: I guess one reason that I thought that we were on the same page with staff as far as fencing the ditch is if you look at the Preliminary Plat requirement No. 2 which is actually No. 1. Again it states that all fencing located adjacent to the Hunter Lateral shall be built on the easement line. That's where I thought that we were on the same page as staff as far as not having to file the ditch. You do have to make that recommendation to the City Council. I would like to ask that if you could make a recommendation and if we could place on that recommendation that, that would be contingent upon getting with the Irrigation District, getting with the property owner along the south and seeing if we could get permission to rehabilitate that portion of the canal. Then we could have a chainlink fence along the easement line. Also I guess you would add what Bruce stated about finding out the flows and things like that for the canal so we could present that to the Council with your recommendation. Would you like me to continue this? Borup: Let's go ahead. Nickel: We're almost done here. Under Conditional Use Permit site specific No. 5, staff had asked for hours of operation for the retail commercial uses. At this time, the developer was not going to have any designated hours of operation considering where on Franklin Road this piece of property was at. Then the fact that he's surrounded on three sides by industrial and commercial and the foster care would be on the west. That would be the only residential on those three sides and there's question on whether that falls under the category of residential because of the type of care facility it is. Borup: I guess the applicant will be retaining ownership of the apartments? Nickel: Yes. Borup: Steve, could you clarify on Medimont, if you remember? It seems to me, like there were hours of operation on the east side but on the west side there were not. Or am I thinking of — (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) M, A.' ri .S: t 'e, FLEE i t Meridian Planning and Zoning Alssion Meeting June 21, 2001 Page 18 Borup: Maybe it was Conditional Use was on the east side and on the west side was any permitted use, or both perhaps? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: No, the east had the restriction because it had the neighbors there. The west didn't have -- Siddoway: Mr. Chairman my recollection is that it was a Conditional Use requirement like you said on the east — Borup: e and the west was any permitted use with the zoning? Siddoway: Yes. Borup: Do you recall whether even any hours of operation were mentioned in that? Siddoway: Not that I recall. Nary: Mr. Chairman. Borup: Commissioner Nary. Nary: Steve was there a concern about 24-hour operation on that location? Is that the concern? Siddoway: That obviously is the concern. I was thinking through you know, who it's going to impact. It'll impact their own project. Nary: Would it be reasonable to agree that the condition that there not be a 24- hour operation without a Conditional Use but other than that? That would give you a lot of flexibility but if you wanted to have an all night convenience store type of operation, then it will just have to have a Conditional Use Permit. Siddoway: Or even not more than 18 hours. Nickel: What I believe is that, Mr. Commissioner, in the case of the convenience store we've agreed that we're going to do that as a Conditional Use Permit anyway. So, that would have to come back and the hours of operation could be discussed at that time and then placed on the conditions for that saying that the service station or even a bar would have to come back as a Conditional Use, as we already established. I remember that when Mr. Centers went through his Locust Grove project that the concern you had for the hours of operation was because of the neighbors immediately to the, I believe it was the north. t d P �u 9 } Meridian Punning and Zoning commissiarn Meeting June 21, 2001 Page 19 Borup: North and south. Nickel: North and south of that. Nary: These will have neighbors and I recognize that its a PUD but there will be neighbors to this project. I guess that's still the same concern. I guess 1 don't know why that would impact you in a negative way if we simply said that there wouldn't be a 24-hour operation without a Conditional Use. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nickel: I don't think it would be. That's easy enough for me to put that on there. Let me jump down to the next one while we (inaudible). No. 6 was in regard to — (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nickel: We probably should wait for staff here. The question from the Commission was if we would agree to a Conditional Use Permit if we were going to have an establishment with a 24-hour operation such as a convenience store or something like that. Could you, Commissioner —? Nary: You couldn't have a 24-hour operation without having a Conditional Use Permit because I don't know what type of 24-hour operation that there may be. You're not going to have an all night doughnut shop out there without at least having a Conditional Use so people have the opportunity to provide some input if they have any. I don't know I know there aren't a lot of houses out that way. I know there aren't very many. I don't know exactly the kind of facility that's next to it. It appears to be a residence of some sort and it appears to have people living there. I certainly would have some concern that they would have a concern about having a 24-hour operation whether it's a 7 -Eleven or something else, a coffee shop or whatever. I don't know that that seems very limiting, to me, for your operation. Nickel: l don't think it does. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: I think (inaudible) saying rather than you need to pronounce specific hours just a statement that there would be no 24-hour and not have to list specific hours — (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nickel: I'm not concerned. Like I stated, the uses that I'm thinking of are bars and convenience stores. They're going to be a Conditional Use Permit anyway. 1 do agree that they need to be looked at on an individual basis. r r 4iklk Meridian Punning and Zoning commissiarn Meeting June 21, 2001 Page 19 Borup: North and south. Nickel: North and south of that. Nary: These will have neighbors and I recognize that its a PUD but there will be neighbors to this project. I guess that's still the same concern. I guess 1 don't know why that would impact you in a negative way if we simply said that there wouldn't be a 24-hour operation without a Conditional Use. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nickel: I don't think it would be. That's easy enough for me to put that on there. Let me jump down to the next one while we (inaudible). No. 6 was in regard to — (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nickel: We probably should wait for staff here. The question from the Commission was if we would agree to a Conditional Use Permit if we were going to have an establishment with a 24-hour operation such as a convenience store or something like that. Could you, Commissioner —? Nary: You couldn't have a 24-hour operation without having a Conditional Use Permit because I don't know what type of 24-hour operation that there may be. You're not going to have an all night doughnut shop out there without at least having a Conditional Use so people have the opportunity to provide some input if they have any. I don't know I know there aren't a lot of houses out that way. I know there aren't very many. I don't know exactly the kind of facility that's next to it. It appears to be a residence of some sort and it appears to have people living there. I certainly would have some concern that they would have a concern about having a 24-hour operation whether it's a 7 -Eleven or something else, a coffee shop or whatever. I don't know that that seems very limiting, to me, for your operation. Nickel: l don't think it does. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: I think (inaudible) saying rather than you need to pronounce specific hours just a statement that there would be no 24-hour and not have to list specific hours — (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nickel: I'm not concerned. Like I stated, the uses that I'm thinking of are bars and convenience stores. They're going to be a Conditional Use Permit anyway. 1 do agree that they need to be looked at on an individual basis. r Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting June 21, 2001 Page 20 Unidentified: So, it'll only be open 23 hours. Centers: That one was easier wasn't it? Nickel: Then No. 7, unless Steve — I'm song 6. The commercial building on lot 3 block 1 shall provide the required 10 -foot landscape buffer along south Baltic Place, when we went through ACHD. Their condition was that we tum Baltic Place into a private driveway rather than a public right-of-way. They do not want to maintain it. On our revisions I believe you received, we have turned that into a common driveway, private drive common driveway. I don't believe that that landscape condition would apply. Siddoway: It doesn't apply to driveways, just public streets. Nickel: So, I just ask that that one be modified through (inaudible) understanding that South Baltic Place is no longer a public right-of-way. Shall I continue? Borup: Yes. Nickel: Item No. 7 is the item that Steve had discussed regarding the linear grouping of the parking spaces. We have four areas within the — let's put it this way, we have four areas within the development that have 13 spaces in a row. This area up here. These two rows right there. This area right here. We already added some. We worked with staff and we added some where we agreed that they were too long. I guess our contention is that, and I understand that it's part of the code and we have to ask for the waiver on it, is that — ***End Of Side One*** Nickel: — all the landscaping that he is providing along the entire subdivision, we have an excess of I believe 23,000 square -feet of additional open space above the 10 percent required. We believe that we provide enough landscaping along the parking area. I believe what the intent of the code was not to have a sea of asphalt. I believe that we have provided that. Once again I know its part of your code and we would have to ask for a waiver to that. We could come in here and add on to these islands, make these islands bigger and bring it down to 12 spaces. All that would do it would eliminate a needed parking space within the development. Parking spaces are kind of gold in apartment complexes these days. Nary: Mr. Chairman. Borup: Commissioner Nary. r A f$ t t e, s00 41 s a� r S Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting June 21, 2001 Page 20 Unidentified: So, it'll only be open 23 hours. Centers: That one was easier wasn't it? Nickel: Then No. 7, unless Steve — I'm song 6. The commercial building on lot 3 block 1 shall provide the required 10 -foot landscape buffer along south Baltic Place, when we went through ACHD. Their condition was that we tum Baltic Place into a private driveway rather than a public right-of-way. They do not want to maintain it. On our revisions I believe you received, we have turned that into a common driveway, private drive common driveway. I don't believe that that landscape condition would apply. Siddoway: It doesn't apply to driveways, just public streets. Nickel: So, I just ask that that one be modified through (inaudible) understanding that South Baltic Place is no longer a public right-of-way. Shall I continue? Borup: Yes. Nickel: Item No. 7 is the item that Steve had discussed regarding the linear grouping of the parking spaces. We have four areas within the — let's put it this way, we have four areas within the development that have 13 spaces in a row. This area up here. These two rows right there. This area right here. We already added some. We worked with staff and we added some where we agreed that they were too long. I guess our contention is that, and I understand that it's part of the code and we have to ask for the waiver on it, is that — ***End Of Side One*** Nickel: — all the landscaping that he is providing along the entire subdivision, we have an excess of I believe 23,000 square -feet of additional open space above the 10 percent required. We believe that we provide enough landscaping along the parking area. I believe what the intent of the code was not to have a sea of asphalt. I believe that we have provided that. Once again I know its part of your code and we would have to ask for a waiver to that. We could come in here and add on to these islands, make these islands bigger and bring it down to 12 spaces. All that would do it would eliminate a needed parking space within the development. Parking spaces are kind of gold in apartment complexes these days. Nary: Mr. Chairman. Borup: Commissioner Nary. k;: Meridian Planning and Zoning comm~slon I~ting Juts 21, 2001 Page Z1 Nary: Are those areas you identified, Mr. Nickel, is thafi landscape sort of grass buffer right next to that? Nickel: Yes. Nary: Are those black dots trees? Nickel: Yes. Nary: Oh, okay. Borup: So, you have four areas with 13 each? Nickel: Right we're over by one space. Siddoway: Shawn, excuse me, Mr. Chairman. I guess I should address you. Aren't there a couple of spots in the commercial parking lot that are 14? Just to make sure its clear. Borup: In my mind,l mean, the Ordinance says that many (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: The intention was being more of a visual thing. People driving down the street don't see a big sea of asphalt. Siddoway: That's exactly the intent. Borup: So, I don'# have as much concern back where the apartments are because you're not going to see any of that. Nary: Right nex# to that there's grass and trees. Borup: I think it's the stuff up in the commercial area that to me would be more of a concern than back in the apartment area. Nickel: We're okay on the commercial. We don't have any that are over 12. Borup: So, there's been a redesign for the one that we have then? Nickel: What is the date on yours? Borup: It was received June 8~' . I've got the wrong one. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) r~ ~_ _ .. $~ ~~~ Merkiian Planning and Zoning Commission Meting Jun®21, 2001 Page 22 - Nickel: I didn't see any that were over 12 in there. If you just want to make that - as a condition then the commercial portion of the project not exceed the 12, we ~'~ ~ will agree with that. That's not a problem. It only gets easier from here. No. 8 tr - just has to do with fencing. Basically, I just wanted to explain to the Commission .~:~ what we plan to do for the fencing. We're not in opposition to any of the conditions with the exception of the Hunter Lateral. Our intention is to have the ~; 6-foot high chainlink fence along the south boundary on the easement line provided we get the waiver with your recommendation. Along the cemetery, we = would provide a 6-foot chainlink fence to the point of the parcel that has the group care, the delinquent care, whatever its called. At that point, we have a 6- ~~~ foot high cedar fence with the steel posts. There's an existing fence along the eastern boundary of the project. Borup: Could you elaborate then on, is there any other landscaping? What have we got between the fence and the garages? Those are garages aren't they, on _ the west? ~'4~ -, Nickel: Right. Borup: And the east? =~ Nickel: That's a 5-foot. That goes into the next one, which is the buffer issue. Borup: Okay. ~~ (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) .. , ,r: ~ Nickel: Is that the onty question on the fencing? Should I go to the next one? Nary: Mr. Chairman. Borup: Commissioner Nary. ~~A Nary: Yes I had a question Mr. Nickel. Why is there chainlink fencing along the ,y cemetery and just the cedar fenang along the rest of the house? Why is that? ~~~ ' ~ ~ Nickel: (believe that zoning is still residential on that front parcel. It was just to ~ ~: act as a buffer to them. Nary: What I'm thinking is there are garages and there's probably some activity -, . > in these apartments and common spaces something like that. There's probably { .~ going to be some noise and light spillage and those types of things right onto that :. cemetery. Is there any reason why you can't put cedar fencing, solid fencing all r'~ ~ along the cemetery side? -; ~: ;. ;: r, ~~~ -_~, _. ~~ f._ ~. t; .i . ~ ~ _ _. ~: :~~. Meridian Planning and Zoning Cd}1~Imissi~ AA~etirtg June 21,21101 Page 23 Nickel: We could. The only reason we didn't is because we have the row of garages along the side of it. You know with the few gaps that you would have - I mean we could put cedar along there. Borup: Commissioner Nary, are you concerned about disturbing the occupants? .: ~~ . ~~. ;~~_ ~:, +3~ J Nary: I'm concerned with disturbing the people that go to see the occupants. 1 mean there are people that go there. You know, if you're sitting there seeing your loved one and there's a volleyball game over there and all the noise and the stereo and everything else. I know it's not all going to be shut out by the cedar fence but 1 guess I didn't see any reason why you would put chainlink there and not just have a solid fence. Nickel: I actually wasn't even considering the cemetery. That's a good idea. We would have no problem with that. I was - Borup: The other thing to consider then with a solid fence, you've got an enclosed area that's out of view. With some potential problems kids getting back in there. i ~' ~. :;; ;. ,.~ .~ ,_ ~, N'3 i'C'~ r :a. ~:~; Nary: Which part? Between the - Borup: Yes, between the garages and the fence. Nary: Which is why they have a 20-foot landscape buffer. Borup: Well, they don't there. Nary: They don't but then wasn't that part of the concern is they were supposed to have a 20-foot landscape buffer? Borup: No t think that's on the commercial part of it. Nickel: Actually, I'm going to address that next. n the next one, we are going to talk about the buffer waiver that we're asking for. Nary: Okay. Nickel: Can Mr. Centers address the issue regarding the fence -- Borup: On the fence? Sure. L. Centers: Lee Centers, 325 Meridian Street. We'll do whatever you want. I just thought with the metal fence you could see it. Right now there are no headstones right in that area. They're farther over. It's all green grass. It just seems more open. With the garages there, there's your buffer. We can certainly ® Meridian Planning ark Zoning C fission Meeting s, `~~ June 21, 2001 Page 24 .:; `~~ landscape between the garages that would help buffer sound, light. But, ~~"` { ` ~ ~ whatever you want to do, we'll do, Nary: My only concern Mr. Centers, like I said you know people using the cemetery, going there to see them. There's activity in this apartment complex which I think you know just may be a disturbance. You know I just see conflict. <~< A fence certainly may help avoid some of that conflict but t think Chairman Borup r is right. The only other concern would then be sort of creating a sort of dead ;~ -r ~. zone that's a good hiding place. Borup: The reason 1 said that. We've had a lot o f testimony on that with these `' access paths with the fences. We're not allowing that anymore for that reason. `: Nary: There are ways to do that. I mean you can fence off the edges of the ~~r garages so that they aren't accessible far people to walk through. I mean there are ways to curb that as well if you're going to have it that close. I was just ,~~ concerned about e it is going to be a place -- you know there may be a lot of younger people. I don't know what type of folks are going to be living there. It ,t just seems like a place that may have some incompatibility or at least some '~ conflict that could probably be avoided. -. ~ Borup: I don't think you've got a lot of evening conflicts. People just don't ga there that late. Nary: But in the summer and on the weekends. - Borup: It's light pretty late. L. Centers: Excuse me. I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill .4' because if you have the cedar fence, they're going to look at a cedar fence. If . , s_, ~~ ~ = you have a chainlink they're going to look at the back of a garage, Commissioner ';~ Nary. What is more aesthetic? I don't know. They're not going to be able to see ~~ ° ~~~~ out anyway. Those people going into grieve for their loved one aren't going to be able to see out, they'll be looking at the back of a garage. ,'' Nary: !think the distance from the property line to the apartment buildings themselves is a pretty good distance. You've got the garages, you've got the e~= row, and you've got the parking lot. You're going to be able to see the cars and '~` that other stuff but probably not much as far as people. The way the layout is. ' ~° ~ Nickel: Commissioners one thing that t could suggest that was just kind of whispered to me in the back. Since we are asking on the next one for a waiver on the setback for those garages we could, if the code will allow it, place the ~~`~ garages on the property and then have a solid fend in between the garage .' ~= building. Then you wouldn't have that, pardon the pun, dead zone back there. I# ~~ would be one solid wall and fence next to the cemetery. <:~~rp3. Fik4., J fwr'+, „ . l ii ~. i ,~~r _ 5}:- y,n.,... ~ ; i'~ ~' 4 `. .. 'F Meridian. Planning and Zoning ~ Ission Ming June 21, 2009 Page 2ii Nary: Then we would need to simply recommend a zero lot line for that side. Then the Council could approve tha#. Nickel: 1 believe that we could do that through the PUD process. We're asking for a 5-foot right now. I guess we could modify that just to ask for a zero lot line on that. Borup: How do you get back there and maintain the - ,_~:. ->,z .x Nickel: There wouldn't be anything to maintain back there. Borup: Oh, so, it's going to be vinyl? If it's painted you've got to get back there and paint. I mean, I'm saying the building itself. Nickel: Right. . ,. ~~F ,,. , ~, ,,, ,_, 1~. r.; "t; .;:, x~ , .~~,, e`h ;;.. c;~, .E :}~< ~f:y 2 ~.;; `~ .~~ ' ; ; ~ , z, Borup: If you've got an overhang, you're not going to be able to be right on the property link but real close, you're saying? Nickel: Yes within that 5-foot - Borup: Well, you can get it down to one foot or two feet. Then there's still going to be some maintenance there for weed control and that kind of stuff unless it's paved. I guess that's the other option, yeah. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: Shawn, as he mentioned, that could be another option. You could go ahead and plant grass in there and let the cemetery mow it. Nickel: Yes what we could do is we could stick with the 5-foot setback, have the fence setback 5-foot as well and then do as you stated have the grass back there and have it maintained by the cemetery. I don't think they would mind. Borup: (Inaudible) Nickel: (Inaudible) in No. 9 why we're asking for the waiver on that It's very similar to the Locust Grove where you're going to have a visual and noise buffer with those garages from the cemetery and also from the commercial to the east. I will (save it up to your recommendation how you'd like to see i#. If you want to do a 5-foot, we can get with the cemetery and agree to work out that strip. I think that would be a lot better than having us try to maintain something back there having to get back there. You're going to have some weeds back there and that gets back to Commissioner Nary's statement about people that are coming to the cemetery having to do that. ~j ,.~ 'i} ~h ~F ~.;:. ;~;~; W~., .-~. ;.~... ,~ x, ?.' ~:° ~~ r~~, ~4_ :r~ } ~° -::~~ ~, ~., ~~ ~~~' . p ip??f.. ;~~~ 1 ~2 !:;_T ;'..; ~z~` ,~, - ._~ s :,~.: xti',: ~~~~ , Meridian Planning artd ZonMg ~ lesion AAeeting Jura 21,2001 Page 26 Borup: ! mean, a little narrow strip. tt's a problem to maintain everything else. I don't know if the Commission then has any concern about which way you go. It's probably what you'd work out with the cemetery. Nary: It appears there's enough flexibility Mr. Chairman, (inaudible). We can recommend in the lot line variance that the way eight is written that its really pretty much between you and the city to work out where the fencing is or how the fencing has to be. Nickel: Okay. Nary: It can certainly include some of our thoughts and recommendations but really the way its written it says its for you and the city to decide. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: That's about a good a buffer to do it, Is a long row of garage buildings. Nary: Sure. Nickel: I guess what your recommendation would be then would just be the waiver from the 20 to the five for the garages on that portion? Borup: I don't even know if we've discussed that yet so let's go into that. Nickel: That was No. 9 and that was the last one. The Landscape Ordinance does require a 20-foot landscape buffer between different land uses. That being, we'll just call it residential for right now, on the west and the commercial on the east and the cemetery. Proposing the 5-foot setback for the garage structures because we believe that's a good visual and noise buffer between the uses and also the office setbacks up front. Nary: Mr. Chairman. Borup: Commissioner Nary. Nary: Mr. Nickel, on the area that's next to that house right there, you want that to be a 5-foot buffer as well? Nickel: That is correct. Nary: Have you spoken with those people? ~F.. ,, `,~ ~. ~: . ~, u,~. ,;->,w s, ~~ ,.~` .*, F~ s~ , ,r ~~q ~, ,; ~, :., ,w >:~ ,{ :_ F.R. ~~ ~~t~. -~:~ :.Q.. :~ ,, ,;~: E :~,~. .} `~` <~. :a ,~; .~ r _~ ,° -~~'~ r~: .;~3: t,a ~: ; ;~;-. Meridian Planning and Zoning Omission Meeting June 21, 2001 Page 27 Borup: No. 9 talks about a reduction just in the commercial area. That's why I was getting a little confused on why you were talking about reduction in the apartment complex. What is the zoning for the cemetery? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: Oh, it's in the County? Meridian Cemetery is in the County? Nickel: Yes it's an RUT zoning. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: I guess, Mr. Nickel, just so you know my concern would be again I don't know that we all know very clearly what use that property is but it certainly looks like a house and it looks like people live in it. Borup: You mean the one up there on the -- Nary: Right. Borup: Isn't that the one that he said was a youth care facility? Nary: Steve said the same thing. I don't know that any of us know exactly what it is. I'm just concerned with putting a building 5 feet from these people's property line. Unidentified: I am too. Nickel: Let me correct something. The waiver that we're asking for actually on those is a 10-foot waiver rather than a 5-foot. I apologize for that. From the 20 to 10. Let me just read what the staff analysis says regarding that use. The applicant has proposed a 10-foot buffer between the single-family home and the undeveloped (inaudible) County-zoned property based on the fact that the home is not being utilized as a typical residential home. The existing home is being utilized as a group foster home otherwise known as a transitional treatment center for juveniles who are on probation. Up to 10 juveniles ages 13 to 16 are allowed in the house along with house staff. Your staff does recommend approval of that waiver. It would be 10 feet, not 5. Kind of a side note, my client does have a letter from the center. He didn't bring it. I would ask that if you want to put it in your recommendation for the waiver that we present that to the City Council. He's got a letter from the owner of the property who reviewed this plat and was fine with the 10-foot setback. I'm sorry we don't have it. If you were to make a recommendation with that waiver, we would agree to present that to the City Council. Borup: So, you're saying that neighbor is okay with the 10-foot? ~.. r`~ >, Via: ",~~,;~ `~° ..}. <, ,_,;;. =x n`y { _l ,. •, ;:-s ~. "r:''~ `. '='-~~ {`, r~- Sr'~i~-1h'. V~ h~.;.,. Meridian Planning and Zoning C~mission Meeting June 21, 2001 Page 28 Nary: Where was the section that you were reading from? Nickel: I'm sorry, Page 7, oh I'm sorry again page - Nary: Oh, it is Page 7, I see the first full paragraph? Nickel: Yes. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: Mr. Chairman I guess I'd ask the staff, if we agree to that I certainly think we should amend that. I don't think we want to base a waiver on the fact that it's not a typical family home environment. I mean if people sleep there, I don't think we need to make that judgement as to whether or not that's typical and therefore it's okay, its not typical therefor it is okay. I guess that would be my concern is how that's drafted. If you're saying that you can submit a letter that shows that they have no objection to it, then that's fine. I'd hate to base the reason we did is because you don't fit the criteria of what's typical therefor it's okay if we waive the requirement. Nickel: I agree I don't think that's fair to - I was just trying to define what the use actually was. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: I think that would be good. Nickel: Then the second part of that waiver, Mr. Chairman is regarding the front setbacks on the commercial lots. I believe we were asking for -let me find it here. Do you see that requirement, or that staff analysis Steve? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: Of which? I'm sorry I was amending the wording. Borup: Is that what you're referring to is lot 3? Nickel: Part of our waiver is that the front setback on the commercial lots. Borup: You're saying setbacks from Franklin? Nickel: No each of the lots in the subdivision that are platted would be required to have a, I believe it's a 20-foot front yard setback. Typically you'd have a front setback on something like Franklin Road. In our situation, we're fronting onto our parking lot, so within our waiver we're asking for a reduction in the front yard '~' ~~ J~ 5 ~,; ,:f. :; , w;~ _ . ;, '~~ ~= ~~: ~~~: ;.=s. z: -.: F~~ ~': ~~,= $ ~9F ,. `g~. -J.r'.f~ ~~~ `'714 `~ ~4 ~~ :'_ '" I , ,~ ~~ =.,- L: ,:::z- _,z~~ µ~. r~; r;~~ Meridian Planning and Zoning Omission Meeting June 21, 2001 Page 29 setback through the PUD process to expand that building envelope of those structures. Borup: To 10 feet? Nickel: To 10 feet. That is correct. As I stated in my letter in my packet, all the lots with the exception of lot 11 front on a parking lot. If we had a scale the building on lot 11 and the building on lot 12 would have a 20-foot buffer between the buildings, which would be appropriate for fire protection. Nary: It's on Page 5 in Sub B, third full paragraph in the staff (inaudible). Nickel: Right, we're asking from a 15 to a 5. Borup: I thought you said 10. Nickel: I did I'm getting confused with our own waivers. Borup: The site plans are drawn at what setback? Nickel: What scale? Borup: Yes that does not look like 5 feet. It looks closer to 10 to me, on the one I have anyway. Nickel: It's a 50 scale I believe it is. Borup: Our site plan doesn't have any dimensions but it's definitely not 5 feet. I don't know. I shouldn't say that. (Inaudible discussion amongsf Commission members) Borup: These setbacks here? This one may be either way, it doesn't matter what it is. I guess the question is you're requesting to be reduced to 5 feet? Nickel: To within 5 feet of the front yard setback. Borup: Any discussion on that from the Commissioners? The one, maybe I would have concern on is on lot 3. I mean that was kind of already addressed. It's not a public street but it still has the appearance of a public street and having those two buildings to me is probably a little bit close to that street. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: The rest are more interior type buildings. I don't know that it would matter. a` ~t ~~ ~. ~,~~.: ;~: ~~~~ .~ . ~ ;~- ~~ .°,t.. a~ ~, , ~.~~: ~; ;. >~y' >_~;.~. ;~.~ }, .,~ k.~;:: ;:. ,.~~, ~~ ;~~~ r::~.. ~, - ~ b= ~~ T ~" ~ ~-: `- < iY. ~; -; ~~ ,~: ~~; Meridian Planning and Zoning C~imission Meeting o June 21, 2001 Page 30 Nickel: I guess it would depend, on lot 3 on what you would consider to be the front property line and the side. Borup: I'm looking at the side property line is what I'm really looking at, not the front. Okay, so that would be 10 feet on the side. Oh, you mean all of it would be 10 feet tdgether? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: You mean the gutter on Baltic Place? Is that the gutter you're referring to? Nickel: (Inaudible) might be able to explain that a little clearer. Borup: Okay. Munger: Matt Munger with Hubble Engineering 71 Allen Street. What we're looking at there is the setbacks that we're asking for are from the property line. That's where I think some of that's coming in. There's a curb and gutter along the side of south Baltic Place there and then a 5-foot sidewalk. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Munger: From the roadway itself, we would have more than 10 feet. It's from the side lot line that we are requesting the 5-foot setback. That's the same on the other ones where the parking lots are. You can see where the lot line is it runs along the back of the sidewalk on the parking lot. Borup: Yes. Munger: That's a 5-foot sidewalk. I believe the buildings right now are drawn at 60 from that. That's the reason for the request for the 5-foot. Nary: Mr. Chairman. Borup: Commissioner Nary. Nary: Are we talking about condition No. 6 on the Conditional Use Permit site specific? Is that the one? The lot 3 block one 10-foot landscape buffer? Borup: Yes. Nary: Along south Baltic Place? Borup: Well, which page is that on? _ ~ < . :, ,~- -;~~. - ~ . .. `w. i. fem. f ;. ;TAP; ,~ ~ ~F '= .j ;f'I -~~: ~. ~; '~; ;y: .,: A; t}:y,?, '" `.qy rL . I;ab Meridian Planning and Zoning G~Rimission Meeting June 21, 2001 Page 31 Nary: Page 8. Nickel: No we're actually talking about No. 9. No. 6 doesn't really apply anymore because Baltic's no longer a public right-of--way. Nary: It's a private street. Nickel: It's No. 9 that we're trying to handle the setback. I think Steve just scaled off the plan and it shows a 10-foot --. Siddoway: In almost every case, the setback on the plan, if you look at those building footprints, they are 10-foot setbacks from the property line. On some of these lots like lot 2 and lot 3 it's unclear which would be the front. You know, it has parking lots on both sides, which one is the front? Can the other one go to zero, which is what the C-G actually allows in the C-G zone? We would just looking at this I propose just requiring a 10-foot setback on all sides. Which would give you the 20 feet between buildings which is what t he fire department wants for fire suppression and fire protection. I'll let the applicant respond to that but that would be my recommendation is just to say 10-foot setback on all sides. That gives you 10 foot from the front, 10 foot from the parking lot in the rear and 20 feet between buildings. It just seems to make sense on all sides. Borup: So, did staff just overlook that in their comments then? Siddoway: Yes. Nickel: I apologize again for having this be so convoluted. Steve's right. There are a couple on lots 9, 10 and 11 on the north side of those, those only scale out at 7 and a half between the building and the (inaudible). Siddoway: So, you've got a big back yard. Nickel: The other ones that aren't, are over on Baltic over there. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members} Borup: Some of them have more than that though. Did you comment on the Fire Department's request to have 20 feet between the buildings? So, you're saying you're asking for a waiver of that? Nickel: No what I was just pointing out was that if you did grant the waiver for the front yard setbacks, I was just pointing out that lot 11 is the only one that does not front onto a parking lot. Therefore - Borup: The 5 feet is just for the front, not for the sides? - .. .5 ,ln A'~ "J _ ~~ . iy. i T F... - ;~; zsl ,,. ~ 'ti CHt ~~~' ~.> ;~_r 'E', .,~} L',: .` ~y ~, :w '{ ~. {~F< ~~t ~z;j; ~~.; XF ~; ~~' it' ~:~~: .,, t: ~'~ ~, : w. .: _~ ~.; z' «~;,- Meridian Planning and Zoning mission Meeting June 21, 2001 Page 32 Nickel: That's correct. Borup: The sides stay at 10? Siddoway: The Ordinance allows, I'll look this up to be sure, but I believe it allows it to go down to zero. Borup: On the sides in the front or where? Which side is zero? Siddoway: 15-foot front, zero rear, zero interior side, zero street side. Borup: So, what's this thing about the Fire Department and their 20 foot between buildings? That's separate from the Ordinance? Siddoway: Yes that's just their personal desire. Unidentified: That's uniform fire code. Siddoway: It's uniform fire code. Borup: So, the fire code and the allowance don't jive? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: If they go less than that they have to do more fire suppression, longer hour walls, things like that. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: Sb, would that come into play when the Building Permit's applied for then? Would that automatically take care of itself? Siddoway: If you just make it 10 feet on all sides, it's taken care of because you'd have a 20-foot separation. You'd have 10 feet from this building and 10 feet from that building. Borup: Mr. Nickel. Nickel: Could we just simplify it by stating that what the Fire Department or the fire - Siddoway: Uniform fire code. Nickel: -- dictate what the setbacks would be on those structures I guess? That way we would have the - Meridian Plannin and Zonin fissi n Meefan '''k~' g g g o June 21, 2009 F Page 33 "~° ~" Borup: Well, they're saying the setbacks can be reduced if you construct your building in different methods. _% (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) ~. , ~; ,u Borup: With fire suppression or whatever _ " h • ~ , (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: It allows you to go less than that. Borup: That might bean appropriate statement, comply with uniform fire code? { ar r_ ~~ ~~ Nickel: I just want to try to simplify it. I think we all understand it. It's not a bad ~ -~", ` idea to do it, it's just how do we word it and not make it a problem later to `~ , ``~ -T interpret. Borup: I still have a IittJe bit of concern with lot No. 3 with the building right up to Baltic Place. Yes, it depends on the type of building and what it looks like. You could have a big blank ugly wall there right up against the street almost. The ;~:?' way it's designed. The way it potentially could be. Perhaps maybe lot 5 too. ~, ,, t~"~~; Nary: Mr. Chairman, if we do the recommendation of the 10-foot buffer then this a wilt be 10 feet from the street. ,"{ "~`'~ Borup: But the 10 feet is around everywhere. My concern is just on Baltic Place, not the parking lot setback. '~" Nary: It would be 10 feet from the street which isn't a lot different than -'' (inaudible). Some offices, the front faces the street on the side of it or a drive or ~~ a circle. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members)) Borup: I would like to add that in there 10 feet from Baltic Street. 10 feet from ,~:_~~ the property line on Baltic. µ . s~ " Nickel: That would be up to you Chairman but, just so you know that lot 3 and 5 ~ ~' currently meet the code considering that Baltic Place is not aright-of--way. °<- ,r Borup: That's the only reason that it does is because it's a private street. Nickel: It's at your preference. ~~ - ~ ;Y? Gi_. r a x .^s~i` x~n;, :,:,, ; , ~~. f>; x~~ r ~~ ~,~' <; ,~. .{~t -. ,> `'4~. ~ '.~` .1V 4,' ~:'f~F'hf:: ~~ ~'S ~. ;.~_ < :,,~; ~~_; ~~~f ;t;~; .; ~;: ~_ .r{~ :; ~~ -~~' ~: ti ~: _:: Meridian Planning and Zoning mission Meeting e June 21, 2001 Page 34 Borup: No matter what you call it, it still serves the same purpose. It's still the entrance in there. I would think you'd want that just for a nice entrance into your project. Okay, are we -- Nickel: That's all I have. Borup: Mr. Siddoway, does the idea of stating to comply with uniform fire code, is that appropriate? Siddoway: Uniform fire code will let them go to zero with firewalls. If you're fine with that, then - Borup: I don't think that's the intent of the applicant on this project. To have a large - Siddoway: The applicant said they would be fine with the 10-foot all the way around. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nickel: Let's just do the 10 feet all around. That would take care of Baltic Place - - let's just simplify it and say 10 feet. J. Centers: Well, not all the way around, three sides on some of them. You're not going to go 10 feet on the back are you? Siddoway: Yes 10 feet all sides. Nary: I thought it was five on the front? Siddoway: We're saying 10 all the way around. J. Centers: All four sides? Borup: That's not a fire concern though. {Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: It eliminates it. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: Right I mean between buildings it does. I guess that parking lot it has no effect on that. .~ ; ;~~s - ,, Iw"d. ,, t, s, sa, =~`-~ RL .~3 ft ~; ,..; ~~ ;~~:~ .a. 1_ F~, ::. ;,.= r : ~: .~ Meridian Planning and Zoning Cmfimission Meeting June 21, 2001 Page 35 Nary: I guess, I thought what we had discussed was a 5-foot front on the parking lot in the front of the building and 10 feet on the other 3 sides (inaudible) ensure they weren't closer than 20 feet to each other but 5 feet from the parking lot. Nickel: That was the original intention, -- Borup: That was the original intention? Nickel: To have the 5-foot in the front - Borup: And 10 everywhere else. Nary: I don't think we ever understood that. Nickel: (Inaudible) it looks like there's a problem with the site plan because in some places it's 7-foot, 7 and a half feet. There are some 10. Nary: Mr. Siddoway what I think I heard you say earlier is because of the way the plan is drawn it's not clear where the front of the building is. Siddoway: That's (inaudible). Nary: So, if the front of the building is facing the parking lot, the 5-foot isn't a problem but if the front of the building is facing another building, the 5-foot would be a probelm. Right so, if we said that, we'd be fine. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: It would be clear that the intent was that the buildings be no closer than 20 feet apart, no matter where the front of the building is as long as the buildings aren't closer than 20 feet that should be okay. Borup: This plat is showing an entrance into what I think we would consider the side of the building. On 9, 10 and 11. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: If we felt that was appropriate and said of the front of the building faces the parking lot, then a 5-foot buffer would be allowed. That there be a 10-foot buffer on the remaining three sides of the building and no building shall be closer than (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: I like that. Js 3e l' J ~: a k`' z:«.: ;,:. ,. ~, ;' V . : -ri kit :. . ~,~ ~ T F~. <t. ,~,ti~ 9 Y !~a~ ~' f, ~.~xi F F ~ , `~' `V~~. ~:~;~ ~; r~ , ~t;. Meridian Planning and Zoning mission Meeting June 21, 2001 Page 36 Nary: It seems to cover all of the concerns - Nickel: That's kind of what we were originally asking for. If you look at lot 11 and 12, you'd have the 20-foot gap between the buildings. Borup: Okay back to -did that get - do you want to go back to the items to remove from the permitted list? I don't know if Mr. Centers met with Steve on this list. Is this a list that you have already reviewed? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nickel: This list is fine. There was one, restaurants was put on it but then it was crossed off. We would agree that these uses right here are Conditional Uses within the C-G zone. We would like them to remain as Conditional Uses within the C-G zone. Then everything else that is principal permitted now would remain principal permitted without a Conditional Use Permit. Borup: Those you said we switched from permitted to conditional? Nickel: I think I confused myself when I said that. Borup: I think Mr. Swartley had, do you have a copy of that? Swartley: I do. Borup: He's got a copy. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: Okay any final comments from staff? Any discussion from the Commission before we -okay. Thank you. We have three separate applications. Do we need any discussion or anything? Or are we ready too close? Nary: I would move that we close the Public Hearing. J. Centers: Yes, I second. Borup: Motion second to close the Public Hearing, All in favor? MOTION CARRIED: TWO AYES, TWO ABSENT Borup: Was that motion for all three? Nary: Yes, I'm sorry. .,~;~ YE= +f~~. : Meridian Plannin and Zonin ~i i i g g ss on Meet ng June 21,2001 Page 37 Borup: Item No. 6 is a request for annexation and zoning. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) ,~;_ 1 Borup: There were two items on that. r ~ 1- i~. Nary: Mr. Chairman. Borup: Commissioner Nary. ' '~ u~ ~_. Nary: I would move that we recommend the approval of AZ 01-008 the request -~; for annexation and zoning of 12.71 acres from R-1 and RUT to C-G and R-40 ~ ' zones far proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development incorporated, ' ' ~' East Franklin Road west of South Locust Grove to include all staff comments from the June 18, 2001 memo. With the following amendments, on the annexation site-specific requirement No.3 that the Development Agreement shall be required as a condition of annexation. That the following uses that are permitted in a C-G zone will only be allowed with approval through a conditional ,~ ~~ use process. They would be Automobile Service Stations, automobile washing `'~'~ facilities, bus and rail stations, greenhouses and nursery hotels motels storage ~~~ ~ , , , facilities, service stations, truck stops, wholesale facilities, equipment sales and :`' ~ repair. On the annexation and zoning standard requirements No. 1 that the staff . ~ ~ comment as written would be adopted but we would recommend that the - applicant could request the City Council to waive the requirement of 12-4-13 to - not file the Hunter Lateral that runs adjacent to the property if they can either :.~ rehabilitate the ditch, or as long as they can gain access to the ditch to file it or if '~~` ~: they have the ability and the approval of the Irrigation District to rehabilitate the '` ditch. Then not have to file it. That they would be allowed to put a chainlink 4 {r fence along the (inaudible). I think that was all that we had on the annexation .; and zoning. Is that right? ~. Borup: Yes. Those are the only two items. J. Centers: Do we need to clarify that the only items that they would need a °~ Conditional Use Permit on would be the items that you just read? s- ~ ,~: Nary: Any others that are already required by C-G zone. ~,, =- ~~ Borup: The ones he just read were changed from permitted to conditional. J. Centers: Okay. .~` >~' Borup: Everything else would stay per Ordinance. '~ ~~ 'T~' J. Centers: I would second that motion. ;; :`~~ ~, ~~, ~~ ~; .; ~. , ..: -~~ , ,~a . ,f ., y +: :, r. + ~~ ~t. .r,. ~~aE '; .~~; ~~: _ x ~;F sin ; y~~', Y ?y!; y ~_ 4?. ,5 ~: r ~W ~~~€ - ;~: -;Y• <~ fr~%>s ~:,,: ;.>; ,: rK~: ~s~;. ~1; Meridian Planning and Zoning Omission Meeting June 21, 2001 Page 38 Borup: Motion second. Any discussion? So, in your motion you did make a recommendation on Item No. 9 on the tiling of the ditch, I mean Item No. 1. Nary: What the recommendation is, is that stays as it's written unless they can show - Borup: Okay. Nary: -- the Ordinance requires a public purpose. That is a legitimate public purpose if they can rehabilitate the ditch and then chainlink fence and leave it open. That's fine. Borup: All in favor? MOTION CARRIED: TWO AYES, TWO ABSENT Borup: That's something that I just recommended, you might want to talk to the property owner on the other side. We're assuming it's the cemetery. See what their future plans are or work something together. I guess in my mind with an apartment complex there, I would be a little concerned about liability with an open ditch too. I don't know if you've thought of that. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: Item No. 7 is a request for Preliminary Plat approval for 10 building lots and 3 other lots. Nary: I guess one question before we make a motion on that one. It's just a clarification because we haven't talked about it. If we need to re-open the Public Hearing then we can. No. 4 Commissioner Centers has made note to me too that it indicates that there's a potential that water is not available for this site. No. 4 is contingent upon that. Is there any more information that we need to put on the record about that? Siddoway: Just let the comment stand. Nary: Okay. Mr. Chairman. c 9~s Meridian Planning and Zoning fission Meetlng June 21, 2001 Page 39 Centers: I don't either. Borup: They were in agreement with all staff comments. Centers: I would second that motion. Borup: Motion is second. All in favor? MOTION CARRIED: TWO AYES, TWO ABSENT Borup: Item No. 8 is - (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: -- a request fora Conditional Use Permit fora Planned Unit Development. Nary: Mr. Chairman. Borup: Commissioner Nary. Nary: I'd move the approval of CUP 01-015 request for a Conditional Use Permit for a Planned Unit Development for the mixed use residential commercial in a proposed C-G and R-40 zones for the proposed Baltic Place Subdivision at East Franklin Road west of South Locust Grove to include all staff comments from the June 18, 2001 memorandum. To include the following amendment. The standards for Conditional Uses I guess we would recommend to the City Council. They've requested a waiver of the Zoning Ordinance for the setbacks from 15 feet to 5 feet for all 9 of the commercial building lots on the frontage that face the common parking lots. We recommend that the City Council grant that waiver. That there be a 10-foot buffer setback on the other remaining three sides of the buildings and that no building would be built closer than 20 feet from another building in the commercial portion. There is a request for a waiver in regards to the 5-foot, a 5-foot buffer between the properties on the west, which is the Meridian Cemetery. We would recommend that approval of that and that there and that between the City and the applicant here they determine whether fencing between the buildings would be necessary. Whether it be chainlink or wood fencing. That with that 5-foot buffer that they work with the western property owner the cemetery in making sure it's maintained in that area. They can fence between the buildings if they're that close to the property line. That the Page 7, I guess it's beginning on Page 6, Subsection D that the 10-foot buffer between the existing home to the west in the R-6 County Zone property a waiver from a 20-foot to a 10-foot be approved. That we amend the comments in the staff report to delete the phrase that the home is not being utilized as a typical residential home and delete all the reference of what the character of the home is b ~. ~~, ~~; ~~; ';: ~, _~. r~`i F~, ~~ ,~, ~; ~~ ~a <~, `z _'. -- :: ~; :.; `~xr ;sA+ ,.. ~ ~:-' ,; ~:.-', ~t ~~ ~~ >=> F~;. -_1:' ~;' ~~t y KY ..:- ~r=., , " Meridian Planning and Zoning C~ldFnission Meeting June 21, 2001 Page 40 because I don't think it matters. That the applicant will provide a letter from the property owner indicating agreement with the waiver down to 10 feet. That in the site specific requirements No. 5, that it will state that there shall not be any 24- hour operation in the commercial portion of this property without a Conditional Use Permit. That 1 guess would we delete No. 6? Siddoway: Correct. Nary: Since it's a private street? Borup: Well, 1 think we've answered that same concern because we added in the previous portion, we added 10 feet on the side anyway. Nary: Okay. That we also recommend that in Item 7 that the City Council grant a waiver to allow the extension of the parking area to 13 spaces without an internal planter island - Nickel: In four areas. Nary: -- in four areas. Borup: Okay, dci you want to just say in the apartment area? Nary: In the apartment, in the R-40 area. Borup: Right but not in the commercial. Nary: No. 8 I think it does pretty much just give some pretty good flexibility. I don't think we need to amend that. It just says they have to work it out and provide a plan and approve it by the City. I don't know that we really need to do anything more with that. In No. 9, I think this is still just the same thing we talked about before. That would include that we would recommend an approval of a 5- foot buffer for building frontage on the parking lot in the commercial area. That there be 10-foot buffers on all the remaining sides of the building and no building is closer than 20 feet together. 1 think that covers it. Borup: No. 9 I think is talking about different land uses so it would be talking about adjoining properties. We already addressed that. Nary: We talked about the 10-foot in regards to the (inaudible). I think we've covered all of that. Does that sound righl~ Mr. (inaudible)? ~~ ~4, Y' r 4y -;~ _' V!J ~+r"+':: "~`z~` °~; ~:,' .',K~. _R t;~, . ~~ ~.Y: ,x, .~ ~r}~ ;~~; y y; . ~~ ~~. ~t >~. ~; ,t k ~,+>' { y .'', ,. x~~ s. r~~_ N~~. ~_,_ ~. Meridian Planning and Zoning C~mission Meeting June 21,2001 Page 41 Borup: VVe didn't miss anything? Oh, we already closed the Public Hearing. I was just looking for a nod. (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: Did it look like there was anything else Steve? Okay. Siddoway: The only thing buzzing in my head and I don't want to belabor this but the whole 5-foot setback. You defined the front as the (inaudible) facing the parking lot. Some of them have parking lots on two sides. The plan has actually the 5-foot setback along Baltic and not on the parking lot. I don't know if you want to define it as pre the plan or if you really mean the parking lot - Borup: Can we add in there that anything on Baltic would be 10-foot? (Inaudible) Nary: Well, because I think (inaudible) I didn't look but isn't the front yard setback defined? I mean, (inaudible) the front of the building? Borup: The front entrance. Nary: The front entrance of the building or something? If we say the front setback, that's already defined. If it fronts the parking lot it has to be 5 feet every other side of the building will then have to be 10. It could be closer than 20, wouldn't that cover that? Siddoway: (Inaudible) really will have two fronts from the plan - '""End Of Side Two*** Borup: - (Inaudible) on each half. Nary: Okay. Borup: Doesn't that still cover it? Now, we're #alking 5 feet from the parking lots and 10 feet between buildings. Nary: Then it wouldn't matter if the front -- if they split the building in half and one front door is on one side that doesn't front the parking, they'd have 5 feet on either side if it's on a parking lot. If their parking lot's on both sides and they split the building in half east to west - Borup: Still have 5 feet. Nary: It wouldn't matter that it was 5 feet on either side. It wouldn't matter to us does that make sense? Meridian Planning and Zoning mission Meeting June 21, 2001 Page 42 Borup: I guess I can't understand where your concern was. Siddoway: Do you have a plan? Can 1 approach? Borup: Yes. Siddoway: I'll show you. Nary: If it's building three, split it this way, here's the front door and here's a front door, it doesn't matter to me that the 5 feet is here and the 5 feet is here if it's split that way. Just because they could do it that way. If they only have one front door, then there's only one front setback (inaudible) because your Ordinance says what (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Siddoway: If it does have two fronts, it doesn't matter (inaudible). Borup: Yes. Nary: Yes. Borup: Because it'll be 10 everywhere else. Nary: Right because it'll be 10 on the remaining sides. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: We can add to that there that there will not be a front on Baltic Place. That there will be a 10-foot buffer on Baltic Place. Nickel: If it's a front. If it's the front of the building. Borup; I don't care if it's the front or the side - (Inaudiblediscussion amongst Commission members) Nary: There will be a 10-foot buffer on Baltic Place. Siddoway: That is how Conditional Use Permit requirement No. 6 is written. So you're basically just keeping that as written? Nary: Yes. Borup: Yes. Meridian Planning and Zoningmission Meeting June 21, 2001 Page 43 (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: So, No. 6 stayed? Nary: Yes. Borup: Do we have a motion? Wait for a second? Centers: I second that, I think. Borup: Any other discussion? All in favor? MOTION CARRIED: TWO AYES, TWO ABSENT Borup: Was there any question on that Mr. Swartley? Swartley: No. Borup: That was a long motion. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: Do we have a motion to adjourn? Nary: I move we adjourn. Borup: All in favor? MOTION CARRIED: TWO AYES, TWO ABSENT Borup: That was seconded by Commissioner Centers. MEETING ADJOURNED AT 8:54 P.M. (TAPE ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS) APPROVED: i • 7 I2 0 / 0 KEITH BORUP, CHAIRMAN ~~j~~~ o WILLIAM G. BERG, JR., C RK item Packet Pickup ~~2, ~~, ~~~ m~ ~~ .. 5.-. r'; .- ~ ~, _ -.. i ~ ). _!i L I ~ ..1.,_.,_ .. ~ r4~. I d .. ~:. ~:,; ~, fir. Y~ i SF- " { f :.. sit:. i June 18, 2Q01 MERIDIAN PLANNING 8~ ZONING MEETING June 21, 2001 APPLICANT ITEM NO. ~-A REQUEST Approve minutes of May 3, 200) Planning and Zoning Commission meeting AGENCY COMMENTS CITY CLERK: See attached minutes CITY ENGINEER: CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: CITY ATTORNEY CITY POLICE DEPT: CITY FIRE DEPT: CITY EUILDING DEPT: CITY WATER DEPT: CITY SEWER DEPT: SANITARY SERVICE: MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: MERIDIAN POST OFFICE: ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: ~" NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: IDAHO POWER: US WEST: INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: OTHER: Contacted; Date: Phone: MWerials preseM~ at pubnc meetings shat! become properly of the C~- pt Meridian. r ~~_ Mrs ~s 5.~,.~: z- 3i~t-. ~~ _. ~ ;:,;: r .. -# ~~ -' ~~; ~t~.; :~, fi ':tip; {~,, ».> ~~ ~~.~, :.~-, :.~ .,~~ ~'.;ti E,~;, • ,' June 18, 2001 PP oao23 MERIDIAN PLANNING & ZONING MEETING June 21, 2001 APPLICANT Gemstar Properties, LLC ITEM NO. 4 REQUEST Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001 -Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 30 building lots and 2 other lots on 16.4 acres in an R-4 zone for proposed Autumn Faire Subdivision -east of North Black Cat Road and south of West Ustick Road AGENCY COMMENTS CITY CLERK: See previous Item Packet CITY ENGINEER: CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: CITY ATTORNEY CITY POLICE DEPT: CITY FIRE DEPT: CITY BUILDING DEPT: CITY WATER DEPT: CPTY SEWER DEPT: SANITARY SERVICE: MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: MERIDIAN POST OFFICE: ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: IDAHO POWER: US WEST: INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: OTHER: See attached evaluation sheet Contacted: Date: Phone: Materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. e ~= ~~ ; ~~., :::. ~~` x, : June 18, 2001 SR CUP O1-OT 7 _ ~ MERIDIAN PLANNING 8~ ZONING MEETING June 21, 2001 ~.~~ ~^ ~. j, ~~ APPLICANT Meridian Chamber of Commerce ?y';.5. ITEM NO. 5 " . . REQUEST Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001 -Conditional Use Permit for the expansion of the chamber office and visitor center in a C-G zone for Meridian Chamber of _ Commerce - 215 East Franklin Road AGENCY COMMENTS _-,;; CITY CLERK: See previous Item Packet r -y"~`~ CITY ENGINEER: CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: CITY ATTORNEY "' :~~ CITY POLICE DEPT: "~ CITY FIRE DEPT: ~~,~~: ~t ~ ~ <_. CITY BUILDING DEPT: CITY WATER DEPT: CITY SEWER DEPT: ~~~ ,, SANITARY SERVICE: 4;;,~° MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: gip, .~';~~ MERIDIAN POST OFFICE: ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: See attached comments CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: ~~_' >: NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: . y .;~~ IDAHO POWER: _ US WEST: INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: ~~ OTHER: . ``"'~; _ Contacted: Date: Phone: ~ ~~ Mdt®rials presented ct public meetings shall become ro e P P ~tY of the City of Meridian. ',~ C' ' , , _~. ~~ 1~ F. ~P~ ~+: - . ~ 1 ~ 1~~~.: .. ~` ~~, ~: u- ~`~;- ;. :r; n :r:~- ~~1 ;': <'~: ~~- _- ~,t ;k' ~'L'";~~ rt. ~:..: . rM...., ~f~ !: June 18, 2001 MERIDIAN PLANNING 8~ ZONING MEETING June 21, 2001 AZ 01-008 APPLICANT L.C. Development, Inc. ITEM NO. REQUEST Continued Public Hearing from June 7, 2001 -Annexation and Zoning of 12.71 acres from R1 and RUT to C-G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision -East Franklin Road west of South Locust Grove Road AGENCY CITY CLERK: CITY ENGINEER: CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: CITY ATTORNEY CITY POLICE DEPT: CITY FIRE DEPT: CITY BUILDING DEPT: CITY WATER DEPT: CITY SEWER DEPT: SANITARY SERVICE: MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: MERIDIAN POST OFFICE: ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: IDAHO POWER: US WEST: INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: OTHER: Con#acted: Date: Phone: f+Aaferiais presented at public meetings shall become properly of fhe City of Meridian. COMMENTS See previous Item Packet ;y r;r, :: y~ ~ qL i rl'~;:., M.. ;~~'~,~ ~~: ~. Y z: r ~' ~:;sy ~ ;~, r ,;-_; ,y~ ,fit ~; ~ , s.~ ~~ ;;ate ~ x . ~ * r~ = ' ~ ~ ~ ~;: `~ _. ,ti, ~ _ }~ ;~--. ~~:: ~tf,.„ .. June 18, 2001 • PP O 1-009 MERIDIAN PLANNING & ZONING MEETING June 21, 2001 APPLICANT L.C. Development, Inc. ITEM NO. 7 REQUEST Continued Public Hearing from June 7, 2001 -Preliminary Plat approval of 10 buildln' g lots and 3 other lots on 12.71 acres in proposed C-G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision -East Franklin Road west of South Locust Grove Road AGENCY COMMENTS CITY CLERK: See previous Item Packet CITY ENGINEER: CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: CITY ATTORNEY CITY POLICE DEPT: CITY FIRE DEPT: CITY BUILDING DEPT: CITY WATER DEPT: CITY SEWER DEPT: SANITARY SERVICE: MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: MERIDIAN POST OFFICE: ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: IDAHO POWER: US WEST: INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: OTHER: Contacted: Date: Phone: Materials presented at public meetings shall become properly of the City of Meridian. • ;~~.' n,. ;~ ~ June 18, 2001 s~. CUP Ol-O15 ~ ~`~~` MERIDIAN PLANNING 8~ ZONING MEETING June 21,2001 APPLICANT L.C. Development InC , . ITEM NO. $ REQUEST Continued Public Hearing from June 7, 2i~1 -Conditional Use Permit for a Planned ~ Unit Development for mixed use residential/Commercial in R1 and RUT zones for proposed Baltic - Place Subdivision -East Franklin Road west of South Locust Grove Road ~: AGENCY COMMENTS ~, ~ CITY CLERK: See previous Item Packet CITY ENGINEER: ;~.~'~ CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: CITY ATTORNEY ,~ :~ CITY POLICE DEPT: CITY FIRE DEPT: CITY BUILDING DEPT: ~' , CITY WATER DEPT: ~ ,~ ^ ;~, CITY SEWER DEPT: SANITARY SERVICE: MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: y' `. MERIDIAN POST OFFICE: „ '.°re' ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: ~~-'~` CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: ~' NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: IDAHO POWER: .a US WEST: ~''`` INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: N) ~' F; OTHER: Contacted: Date: Phone: Materials presented at public meetings shall become property of file City of Meridian. ~.F~ +L:' .~';'' Y. ~ ~lY t~~ 1 .- - ~F