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2001 06-07• • -~ '~ CITY OF MERIDIAN MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION SPECIAL WORKSHOP ~~_,; ~: AGENDA ,, Thursday, June 7, 2001, at 6:30 P.M. x:~ City Council Chambers 1. Roll-call Attendance: O Sally Norton X Jerry Centers X Bill Nary X Keven Shreeve X Chairman Keith Borup 2. Adoption of the Agenda: 3. Discussion: Initial Overview of the Draft Comprehensive Plan: Presented by the Planning and Zoning Department `N4 Y.... k' ~~'' ~1 ~, i,~ t-~ ~~Y_ .~ ~. 3Y '41. 1 F .,X ..~TT ' _ ~i~ !:1 J ~` ~ Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Workshop Agenda -June 7, 2W1 Page 1 of 1 ~ ~ All materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. ~ __ ~, Anyone desiring acxommodation for disaL~liges related to documents and/or hearings ,,~~ please contact the City CIeHc's Office at 888-4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public. meeting. W;, s ~, ~ . . 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Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilities related to documents andlor hearings please contact the City Clerk's Office at 8$8433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting. . ir.. ~ ~ ~ - - .. . ,. .,. ~~- : F . ~:. ~:, ~°~' ..~ MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING SPECIAL, MEETING JUNE 7, 2001 The City of Meridian Planning and Zoning Special Meeting was called to order at 6:30 p.m., on Thursday, June 7, 2001, by Chairman Keith Borup. Members Present: Keith Borup, Jerry Centers, Bill Nary, Keven Shreeve Members Absent: Sally Norton '.' Others Present: Shari Stiles, Brad Watson, Brad Hawkins-Clark, Will Berg, - y David Swartley f ~ Borup: I'll call to order this Special Workshop for discussion of the proposed ~" Meridian Comprehensive Plan. Do we need to say who alts here? For the ` ~ ~~` Planning and Zoning Commission, Keith Borup, Jerry Centers -let's have everybody just yell out their name. We're going to start with a staff report - or a - staff pre-(inaudible) and then a chance to (inaudible) personal questions and answers. I don't know if -one of the things that I would be interested in is maybe t-j ~ some of the stuff that had, it's been awhile now but some of the stuff that ~~ _. ~~~ ~ , changed from this draft. Is that probably some of the things they did or especially ~ =~ things that are different from the previous one I guess. ~ ~{ ,,.. r ,~~~ ~,I Nary: Our previous Comprehensive Plan? Borup: Yes our 93 Comp. Plan. ''~ Stiles: The biggest change the Urban Service Planning Area (inaudible) been ~~ ~~~ reduced. I'm not sure we have our policy (inaudible) clear maybe if we need to, 'i~! to avoid the panic in this community. We wanted to have some priority areas for j~ growth and that's the reason for the Urban Service Planning Area being reduced F-r~;, the way it is. It doesn't mean that we don't intend to serve that area it's just that ~:_~ the time frame set by the County is not very realistic. When we got our Comp. h d 10 ears to serve that area and Plan approved by them in 97 they told us we a y we had to provide technical assurances that we could. It's not that we couldn't it's just we don't need to serve the entire area of impact within 10 years. It's not ~ ~` a very realistic planning period. That is going to be a big area where people are ~ going to come out and testify against that. Especially if they have property outside of that area. Also the new map shows pathways and those are based on the draft Comprehensive Recreation System Plan which hasn't been adopted. _ They haven't put it up for Public Hearings yet. That's basically what they tried to follow when this map was prepared. Another big change is the neighborhood center concept. You'll see on the map it's kind of - in some places it's a full circle and in other places it's a half circle. That's based on smart growth policies a~ (inaudible) been going to so many workshops in the Treasure Valley Futures and ~` ~" Treasure Valley partnerships everybody's trying to go toward more smart growth ~~ concepts and there's another little graphic in here that has a better depiction of z .,,. ., ecial Meeting C~ission S nd Zonin in idi Pl M p g ann g a an er June 7, 2001 Pg. 2 where that neighborhood center is intended to be but I guess it's right behind (inaudible) to have a little bit of core commercial to provide some services for the neighborhood, transit stops, some open areas, elementary school, some higher density around this core commercial and then go to a lesser density as you go =_k ~~ out. The grid system is probably going to be another area that people are going - to resist because they love the endless cul-de-sacs and can sell them fast. If ' t ever find you've ever been through some of these neighborhoods here you can ~' your way out half the time because it's just a maze of cul-de-sacs and no clear _'`-' ~~.~, direction. t Borup: Are we - is the staff trying to encourage the grid system now? '.: Stiles: Yes do you guys not like it? `,'%a Borup: No I like it. I mean (inaudible) the City was forcing a number of years ago. Stiles: They were forcing cul-de-sacs and dead end streets everywhere? f ~ri~' , ?t. - Borup: Yes I was involved in (inaudible) 20 years ago where the City Council flat . _~; turned down the subdivision and it was a straight (inaudible). So they went back °~'~ and had to them build something (inaudible). ~~ ~ f,- Shreeve: Don t you think that s the Chamber of trends . I think before It was we =e don't like all of the traffic coming back and forth through our subdivision. We ~~; r a ~~~ wanted a private street. We wanted to keep our little neighborhoods together. Now it's kind of (inaudible) shift the other way that the grid system an easy way to find in and out. ~~' Hawkins-Clark: You're also seeing high grid subdivisions nationally when you - ~~ actually have both within the same subdivision. They can kind of serve -they r;;' can serve two different purposes really in some ways I mean you - ._,,_ ~,. some of the kind of big subdivisions (inaudible). '`'~f'' Borup: I like what I'm seeing , - ~:~ ~~ - Shreeve: Personally, as a resident I know there is a lot of things (inaudible) developers that cul-de-sacs save money but we purposely shop for cul-de-sac i location. We're on the cul-de-sac in (inaudible) because our kids - I'm a big proponent of cul-de-sacs although granted of course the reason of transportation and neighborhood traffic. We intentionally shop for cul-de-sac homes, Stiles: Well it's not to just deny all cul-de-sacs it's just to -yes. I can imagine there is probably going to be quite a bit of opposition to this because they're just °' not used to doing it. They don't (inaudible), they claim there's no market for it that there's - ~ 1-_ _ ~~~ ,;. -' +X ::. i y 1 Meridian Planning and Zoning mission Special Meeting e Jt ~., #~;. 77F 'T~- t r:y r~ ? •' ~_. ,> ;;: .-:n~. ~~' ~: :~` ~~~, .A^~ ~ ~~,= y ,= __ ~~ :~_ >~ ~~' ~-> ~~, ,; June 7, 2001 Pg. 3 Borup: - I don't know if that's necessarily true I think I don't know maybe we it's been forced that way. Like 1 said it used to be everything but the grid. Some of the - Centers: -that's the way the engineers designed it. Once the Police Department - Borup: - in Meridian specifically - Stiles: -grids, oh I'm sure they would love it. They can't find anything now. Nary: they haven't commented at this point? Stiles: No. Borup: How was -some of the (inaudible) things been working? I don't know if Meridian's got -100 point is that what (inaudible) do? Actually that was the land that was laid out on the grid system back in 70 -the 70's. Centers: It's next to Sportsman. Stiles: That turns (inaudible). Borup: (Inaudible) no it's off Locust Grove. Hawkins-Clark: And also off Ustick. Borup: Yes this was in like 76 or something, 77 or 8 you know (inaudible). I know there was a sewer problem there (inaudible) but that one now does it. I'm not thinking like - Stiles: -it's not really (inaudible) though. Borup: No it isn'fi. Hawkins-Clark: They had originally submitted for it though. Stiles: Oh and they didn't like it. Borup: Right. No but they've got a little bit of a (inaudible) that's what I was referring to. Something like Columbia Village as Bridgetower's not in theirs although they don't have a lot of (inaudible). Does that solve some of the same concerns with collectors? (Inaudible.) Stiles: It helps and that - • cial Meetin mission S nd Zonin Pl i idi M g o g ann ng a an er June 7, 2001 ~, ~ Pg. 4 . ° Borup: -that traffic flows through the subdivision -~ 3 «:;. ~ Stiles: -there's another graphic in there showing the collectors - .. . , ~~ ' Borup: -- Chateau Meadows is that way partially. They don't have any houses _ facing on any of those streets. Nary: I think you're always going to have the both sides of the argument too. With the grid system access it's obviously a lot easier in and out but also you encourage more vehicular traffic through it. That's the reason for cul-de-sacs. ^~# That's the reason that that type of development is popular is exactly what h ' e s saying is that people do like that sort of self-contained nature of t Keven neighborhood of the self-contained - I guess the feeling of safety that exists in having cul-de-sacs with dead end streets in areas like that that provides some of that buffer. Probably why what you're saying Brad is true is that nationally they're trying to do both things because there are people that would rather live in . amore accessible area closer to the collector road and closer to the main streets. Then there are the people who would rather live as far away from the ~~ main street as possible. They want to go to the City (inaudible). I can see both sides of what people are going to want. I don't know that one size fits all so - ~- ~a°~ Borup: -that's probably why I mean can you handle some of both. j`=:' Centers: I think you're going to have to have both because of the way our ,,~~j geographic land is graphed. First of all you're not going to the every waterway ~ there is. You're not going to cross it either. You're going to have these parcels `~ ~ `' '' that -you're going to have maybe a cul-de-sac or something incorporated within ~~ >;; (inaudible). ~ >~? Stiles: Yes this isn't getting away with cul-de-sac we're doing away with them. `` r ~:; It's concentrating more on these neighborhood centers that are actually on the .~~,~; map. _~' ~ Hawkins-Clark: Yes you're only talking about ahalf - ` „ (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) ;~ ,_;, ti Stiles: Yes. alij { ~~~~I _~; Centers: I have a question Shari. r ~~'~ Borup: Well then that's not - I was wandering if you were trying to encourage p:;' more access to the (inaudible) - ,~ ~, :; - ~ Hawkins-Clark: -this really only represents - !.~. ~ ~ ~~~ w s •., ,~' ,:,; 1 Meridian Planning and Zoning Omission Special Meeting S June 7, 2001 Pg. 5 Borup: Three fourths of it? Hawkins-Clark: Three, yes -well not even that. Borup; Sorry Jeny go ahead. Centers: On Page 10 of your memo? Stiles: Yes. Centers: How do those acreage - yes I took (inaudible) I checked your map though. How do those acreages compare to the 93 Comp. Plan? Stiles: I don't think they were even designated. Centers: You didn't have any numbers at that time? Stiles: I don't think that - Centers: -- that's too bad. Stiles: I don't think that Comp. Plan map showed anything. By looking at it is like 85 percent of its single-family residents. Centers: Right but I found this very interesting that was -good that you put that into the (inaudible). Stiles: That's -was that existing (inaudible)? Hawkins-Clark: This was existing in 1993. Stiles: But they didn't have the future Land Use Map did they -calculation in here? Hawkins-Clark: No, I don't think so. S#iles: So 3,430 acres were residential? Centers: 4, 430? Stiles: 3,430. That was back in 1993. Borup: That was existing. Stiles: Yes, 4,700 acres. Do you have any idea how many - ~~~~ ~: ' ''+ a. 4 -~~~? 5<~,~ ~ y _ ~j, ~ r ~'. $ S , _ :; k ,. .F,} G,. _ :~: .. r :~~ ~:;,- :; ~$ .,..~ .,}:~, ,~,. ~~ ~ d ,:2 '. Vii: r ~Fr ~~ . x~~: =; ~;. s r ~4 n =~'' ~.~. ~_ ~~ ';~: ~. 'r "'~~: ,,. ~t~: ~.~: ~; ~~ ,;f;, ., Meridian Planning and Zoning mission Special Meeting e June 7, 2001 Pg. 6 Borup: -well this was build out. Stiles: - no acres in the City limits? Borup: This is build out though? Stiles: Yes that's what the future Land Use Map -that's supposed to be based on those future Land Uses. Centers: Yes that's your map. Stites: Yes. Centers: Right. Stiles: Yes (inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Stiles: --and it is duplicated - I mean the acreage for residential and the percent of the total residential then it's broken down into different (inaudible). Same with the public - Borup: -these acreages are within the area of impact? Stiles: Yes that's the entire area of impact. The map also -you were talking about the circulation. This is kind of roughly based on what J-U-B did for Ada County Highway District. They came up with a little circulation plan. What Brad and Steve did was expand it so it wasn't just this one area that did show. A big problem we have is with Ada County Highway is their reluctance to designate anything at collector street because if it's designated to the collector street they're responsible for participating and paying for the additional right-of--way and also constructing the additional road width. What we've been trying to stress to them is - Borup: -you mean flexible in a subdivision? Stiles: Yes, if it's a designated collector. Even if the subdivision itself creates the need for the collector (inaudible) in their policy says. What they did conveniently for them is quit terming them collectors (inaudible) them residential collectors. That's how they got around paying for any improvements within that subdivision that we told them you know if somebody's doing asquare-mile with 1,000 homes and they're creating the need - I mean it's 2,000 trips yes they ought to pay for their own (inaudible) collector. Borup: What's wrong with calling a neighborhood collector then? Meridian Planning and Zoning mission Special Meeting e June 7, 2Q01 Pg. 7 ~;, ~~; ~;; ;, 1 Stiles: Well the residential collector they allow -some plan on housing and times. We don't have the street buffer requirement that (inaudible) regular urban collector. We just want some way to get through somewhere you can get through the entire mile and to designate that so it's - Borup: -- use ahypothetical - on a future thing. Bridgetower, how did that fit into something that you would like to see? Stiles: Probably too many cul-de-sacs. Borup: I mean but as far as the collector item? Stiles: The collector is nice but it doesn't go to McMillan it doesn't go through. Borup: I mean the things that we talked about there. Stiles: But to have acollector - Borup: -but the road width and the buffering and all of that. Stiles: Yes we would like to see that. Borup: Are they -what they propose to comply with. What would it be the buffering on normal collectors? Stiles: It seems to me the last one, well Woodbridge. They didn't designate that a collector that goes through (inaudible) of that eight years. It's only a residential (inaudible). So when that nets through to go to Magic View, the Law Enforcement people are going to go through there, the J-Bill people are going to go through there. If Greenhill Estates had an access to it they would want to go through there. The person that did the report for Ada County Highway District that didn't work there anymore said his superior's told him not to designate it a collector even though he knew it was. Borup: What difference does it make what it's called? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: 1 think that's good. The developer should be paying for it. Stiles: Well I think they should too but that - Borup: - or do they need another definition then? ~~, Meridian Planning and Zoning ~ission Special Meeting £: ~~ °.~ ~ 4: ~~.~; ~_ ~. Cl e z¢j ':-1 ~ ~~ -' ~Y•;--'v ~~~ ,:;. ,. ~ = :~~ s Q F ~.. ,~,L Y r~: `~~ V 4 ~: __ `;' i~ ~Yw 4, ,.~,,~ fv ~~, s w ~. ~>~ ,a, ; ~,~: ~; ~z~ ~~ R ~~ ~~; June 7, 2001 Pg. 8 Stiles: -- for some reason that has prevented them from calling them colleators. If they're collectors in our plan - Borup: -- so some of our City Ordinances have pertained to frontage on collectors can't be applied to, is what you're saying? Stiles: We don't have anything that prohibits frontage on collectors that's the Highway District. The biggest point was we wanted a collector. There needs to be a collector at least at the half mile that goes from this point to this point. It doesn't have to be a straight shot it can just be as long - Borup: -- can't that be handled? It looks like a collector it smells like a collector as long as it serves its purpose what difference does it make what it's called? If it meets all of the criteria? Stiles: But they're not requiring it. If we put this in our Comprehensive Plan we can say we've got this in our Comprehensive Plan you're required to have a collector through there. Hawkins-Clark: The alignment is - Borup: -- but you know why? I think one of the problems why - I'm probably a minority on this because -and it's never going to go away when you develop these little 10, 20 and 30-acre subdivisions you can't do something like that. Stiles: But you can design it so it can accommodate the next development to continue it. Borup: Well but you've got to plan ahead. It's these big ones that can do that though. Stiles: That's why you have (inaudible). Borup: That's part of planning. Nary: What is the -what's the conflict going to be or is there any, you designate a collector street and they're responsible (inaudible) Ada County Highway District (inaudible)? Stiles: Then we'll say the Ada County Highway District is not the final authority and we are required. Borup: They are the final authority of the road. Stiles: They can be the final authority on the road but when it comes to a design of a subdivision that's the City. Meridian Planning and Zoning t~mission Special Meeting e June 7, 2001 Pg. 9 Borup: Then see when you do these (inaudible) you run into the stuff like - they've had it happen twice in the last six months with people tying in. They don't want to use the stuff (inaudible). They don't want to use a stub street. The stub street ends up being vacated or just closed off with a garbage collector. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Stiles: They ought to be denied. Green Hill Estates should have been denied when they came in with their bridge. Borup: (Inaudible) they're going to regret it. Stiles: Oh, yes. They're going to be begging us to have that go through. They're not going to be able to get out on Eagle or Franklin. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: Well, they still can. It's not being (inaudible). Stiles: Yes, they could (inaudible) in the future. Borup: But, we've had some others that have been that way too. They put the apartments in over here. Center's deal. Nary: Lee Centers. Borup: People in the subdivision said no way. The neighbors didn't want it. I don't blame them in that situation. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: We're always going to have that when we do these subdivisions. Centers: But that was a nice development. Nary: Wasn't that the one with 50 percent open space? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: I like that though. It's not going to be perfect but at least we can - Stiles: It's an attempt. Borup: If they know what they need to do before they buy the land or whatever, they know what they need to comply with. Then they can design it (inaudible). ~~~ <: '~; ;,•~~ f.z ;_:. :z ~~; ~F,r~,` ,F. :.' ~`._ .S ~ 1. ` ~;" }~ ~: M. '~ ~' y"fj fix, ~: ~~~ ,,`, f ', ~, ~~. t ,~ ~T.~ ,~ :~: ~. g t~~! ~-k~~ ,r} ~~ ~~ ~. ;,:~. ,. .w :, l.r. z_ ;~ a f 4 ~`: Meridian Planning and Zoning CI,ITfmission Special Meeting June 7, 2001 Pg. 10 Stiles: It's also been when we have these drains, creeks, sloughs and whatever running through that's always been a natural barrier. For some reason you can't build a bridge to cross. You know, The Landing Subdivision, if you've ever been out in that mess of a subdivision the entire creek for that entire mile is not one crossing. So, it's bisected the whole section so that neighbors on this side can't bike or walk unless they go out to Linder Road. Then when they (inaudible) that Linder Road -when they redid that Linder Road bridge they had to create some temporary access going down that old Waltman Lane to get to Meridian Road because that's the only way in or out of their subdivision at that point. The access has just been kind of a pet peeve of ours, I guess. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Stiles: Well, The Landing south of there. Borup: You're talking this ditch here? Stiles: Yes. Borup: Those are two separate subdivisions. Stiles: Well, even if it were two separate subdivisions we should have required at least one of them to have (inaudible) bridge and (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Stiles: Fenway Park wasn't that long ago. Nary: No, it wasn't. Fenway Park is where it should have happened. There should have been a stub street from Fenway. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Watson: Any other questions that popped out? Nary: I guess one of the things that I would like to see is, and it doesn't have to be real long, (inaudible). At least the significant bullet changes between the old and the new. I don't care much from the draft up until now. It doesn't matter. We're not dealing with a draft. I mean people are going to raise those issues that you folks are aware of that there's been a significant change from the draft that you think people are going to come to the meeting saying wait a minute in the draft it was this. Now it's this. We don't feel like we have the right input for it. Then maybe that would be nice to know. I guess one of the things I would like to know when we're listening to the testimony is which of the things in here really -- you think the City needs to have some real buy into? Which of the things that Meridian Planning and Zoningmission Special Meeting June 7, 2~1 Pg. 11 are, I hate to use such a cliche, but what sort of sacred cows that you have in here that you really don't really think you have gotten enough input, you really don't want to see a whole lot of change to, Something you really want us to look at when we're listening to the testimony as to whether or not -we're looking down the road to recommend changes, which is one of the things that you folks really want the Council to buy into. That you think long range, or at least 5 to 10 years, Meridian needs to really buy into the concept of it. The Urban Service Planning Area and some of the things I've heard you say is what I am assuming would be those types of things. That would be real helpful. Stiles: Those are probably the last - if you get on Page 2, the last paragraph, and full paragraph on that page. Then the following paragraph and the next paragraph that talks about circulation. That talks about the new figures. Those are really the major - Nary: The final planned development - Stiles: The major changes to the 93 plan. Nary: Okay. Stiles: If you want more detail on that or if you think that doesn't answer what you're looking for, we'd be glad to get more information. I mean, we're prepared to get you whatever you want. Nary: I guess when I look at this I mean what I was looking for and maybe this does it to everybody else. What I was looking for was a real executive summary. Here's what we're all about. This is the input that we got. This is what we came up with. This is all the people that participated in it. This is where we see the City of Meridian going for the next 5 to 10 years. This is what we'd like to see. That's what I assume you would be wanting to convince not only this commission and the council to include in the Comprehensive Plan. When I looked at the attachments of comments, that's humble to agree. Attachment B though, talks about I mean specific changes so I have to go pull the thing out and look at that. You know, some of its miniscule ministerial stuff and some of it is some meaty stuff. I guess what I'm concerned is when we're listening to that testimony and if all these people that testify for example, say every person that comes up there thinks the urban service planning area is a bad idea for 45 different reasons. I guess I would have liked, I wanted to know ahead of time, what was the thought process that went into that development of that being a part of it because it's a significant part of this Comprehensive Plan. So that I have some way to at least rationalize both their negative concerns as to why do we develop this. Because I think one of the things that we sometimes sit up here when we're reviewing ordinances because we weren't part of the development process, it's real hard to know well why did we write it that way? Because I have no idea. I don't know who's input that was and why conceptually we chose this over that because I'm ~:,.-: ,~ :. ''f '-'' u Y- -~r1j W ~' ~; ~ ~_~ , ~: ,~ ~;: . ~ ,.,- ;._ ,~ ' , her ~ } ~~ a.~°`r: 3 ~- s rr: 4 ~F, i ~ tr°* ~tZ_ ,- L,;.; ~,r:}; ;t:~ ;:fit z.;~:~..:~: ~. ~_ ~: ,~,: H s l - >'~ 5~ ,,,`tom- Meridian Planning and Zoning fission Special Meeting June 7, 2001 Pg. 12 going to guess. Most of the people that will come, at least the ones that are developers and builders and those kind of folks. Those folks that have a little bit more knowledge than the layperson, they're going to come up with other alternatives. They're going to say well you shouldn't have done this. You should have done this. You know, why didn't you look at this? Well I don't know the answer to that. So, it would be helpful to at least have some idea of how did we get to these concepts? What were we looking at (inaudible) long-range objective here? I think we've got a lot of information. I just kind of wanted some of that. I just wanted a little bit more of how did we get here with some of those things? If I missed that in just my reading through it, then just tell me where to look because I just didn't - Stiles: I didn't probably go into a lot of detail about the change. I mean it was a very short paragraph about it. What the history of the Urban Service Planning Area and changing that is we were getting the pressure to develop every single square mile within the City of Meridian's impact area. The suggestion initially came from Ada County Employees because we were concerned that these proposals were being presented to them in our area of impact. We didn't want them to be approved and their response was well, that's in your area of impact, it's in your Urban Service Planning Area. It's contingent to be developed. Regardless of the timing or being contiguous or anything like that. So, that was their suggestion to curb the development outside that area. Well, what it did was exactly the opposite. Since it's been so long since we've had the Draft Plan which was presented people are panicking. They optioned off this property and they want to develop it today. So, they're submitting all these applications. Borup: Not all of them are that situation. I got phone calls from people that say hey, we optioned this property six months ago, now we're outside the Urban Service Area. (Inaudible) Stiles: Who was that though? I mean, where, what area? Borup: In the north. I mean they already had it before the thing came out. I don't know what stage they're at or what. I didn't want any detail. I didn't ask them (inaudible). Stiles: I think that if you'll look at (inaudible). They actually purchased it long after we came out with this concept. They may have optioned a lot of it. They optioned everything - Borup: Well, yes. The options take place long before they purchase it and that's all it was is just an option two years ago. Stiles: But then they went ahead and purchased it. ~. r~ ~ Borup: Yes. f ,w ;, S s F ~~- L c r' ~': r::.,. :~ '~`~~` ~~r ~~ ~ t.-. °~_; .; ~_ -~: -~ ~.- _. _~~y t~; ~~~ *, . 4, MlU.~ '; ~f:- 4 1{ ~iy~ ~ ~ "I1. 1 ' ~Y+: ~ ~ ~ s~ ',z~ t ~: ::~~: ~.:;, ~, ~ ~,r _,~i, ,. ~~ ly y~.~ . iq~ {F f..lihF ~;. ..~~~,; -, ;~~ ~} :rt ,,, r.. , r rv ~ ~ ~~ :, ;fit:}: . ~~~. , Merfdian Planning and Zoning mission Special Meeting June 7, 2001 Pg. 13 Stiles: And a lot of them have purchased it long after this. Borup: Probably a lot of them have. I got the phones call (inaudible). Stiles: We can understand that they're concerned if they've got a lot of money tied up in it. You've got a lot of money tied up in some land too but you're not in here pressuring us to (inaudible). Nary: One of the questions I get asked a lot and because I wasn't part of this commission before and I've said (inaudible). One of the questions I seem to get asked a lot is why did the City push it's area of impact out so far if we were going to turn around in a year or 2? Then want to pull this Urban Service Planning Area back, not provide development opportunity to those outside? Why did we even bother pushing it out that far? I think that's the way the County looks at it. They say you wanted that area of impact that's the way it goes. I guess I don't know how we answer that question and it's the Council that really has to answer that question. You know the City's area of impact is not something they can surprise on the City. They choose to do that. Borup: I know how I'd answer it, maybe not publicly though. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: But, you know what? You can't buy half the cake and then not get anybody to have any of the rest of it. That's exactly the reason and I think that's wrong. You can't have both. That's what they've tried to do, is they've tried to have both. I think the members of the public have a pretty good beef in saying wait a minute you wanted the area of impact out here south of town all the why out there and north of town to where it is. Now you don't want to allow the development of it? I mean, I think you can't have your cake and eat it too. That's what they're wanting to do. Borup: (Inaudible) and nothing's going to happen on the three sides. It's just coming from the east with the big (inaudible). I mean I have probably lived in Meridian since 65 and we had a proposal of Boise City Limits coming up to the corner of our subdivision. This little chunk right here. The City limits of Boise, they were trying to run this line straight on down and straight on over. I think we needed to draw a line on this side. I don't know, if we didn't have Chinden, would Eagle keep coming? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Stiles: Boise would go all the way to Star if they could. Have strip commercial all the way up. t,. .~ ,,, _ ~,- _. ~~: =~ :, x~r ~~:,~ a. : ; ~_ --<~ :, ,,, _ '; ,a;, ,~'~r Meridian Planning and Zoning mission Special Meeting June 7, 2001 Pg. 14 (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: Right. If they can serve it, they'd serve it. If the City of Meridian can't serve it, then tough then they shouldn't put it in their area of impact. They shouldn't put it there if they can't serve it. If the City of Boise can serve it, then let them have it. Stiles: Even if it creates an enclave, Meridian will be a little island surrounded - Nary: Like Garden City. Stiles: We don't want to be like Garden City. Nary: Then serve the area. Stiles: We are serving the area. Nary: Well, but I don't think your comments fair. I think was a petty kind of comment that developers get in the way of the City and feel like they're not getting supporting when we have a big area of impact that we don't want to annex. We don't want to put property -- we don't want to let them develop anything. Then we want to say oh we're going to change the boundaries. Borup: We need to go. I meant to close this in five minutes and go. (Inaudible) Shreeve: I make a motion to close this meeting. Nary: Second. Borup: All in favor? MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT MEETING ADJOURNED AT 7:00 P.M. (TAPE ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS) APPROVED: .~ ~ / o! KE H BORUP, C AIR r WILLIAM G. BERG, JR., C ERK <,~. ~~~~,; , ~:~•;: i~<; CITY OF MERIDIAN MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING REGULAR MEETING AGENDA Thursday, June 7, 2001, at 7:00 P.M. City Council Chambers 1. Roll-call Attendance: O Sally Norton X Jeny Centers X Bill Nary X Keven Shreeve X Chairman Keith Borup 2. Adoption of the Agenda: 3. Consent Agenda: A. Approve minutes of April 19, 2001 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting: Approve 4. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: AZ 01-008 Request for Annexation and zoning of 12.71 acres from R1 and RUT to C-G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc. - Franklin Road west of Locust Grove Road: Continue Public Hearing to June 21, 2001 meeting 5. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: PP 01-009 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 10 building lots and 3 other lots on 12.71 acres in proposed C-G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc. -Franklin Road west of Locust Grove Road: Continue Public Hearing to June 21, 2001 meeting 6. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: CUP 01-015 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a Planned Unit Development for mixed use Residential/Commercial in proposed C-G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc. -Franklin Road west of Locust Grove Road: Continue Public Hearing to June 21, 2001 7. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: PP 01-010 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 18 building lots and 2 other lots on 11.57 acres in R-4 and C-N zones for proposed Cherry Crossing by Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Agenda -June 7, 2001 Page 1 of 2 All materials presented at public meetings shall become property ar the City of Meridian. Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilities related to documents and/or hearings, please contact the City ClerKs Offoe at 88&4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meting. ~, ,fd _ - :.. n .~, ~~~,,: rig'` ~ ~ Albertson's, Inc. -northwest corner of Linder Road and West Cherry Lane: Continue Public Hearing to June 21, 2001 meeting 8. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: CUP 01-016 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for single-family dwellings and drug store with drive-thru, fuel pumps, office/retail and fast food in R-4 and proposed C-N zones for proposed Cherry Crossing by Albertson's, Inc. -northwest corner of Linder Road and West Cherry Lane: Continue Public Hearing to July 19, 2001 meeting 9. Public Hearing: AZ 01-009 Request for Annexation and Zoning of 8.15 acres from RUT to R-4 zones for proposed Staten Park Subdivision by D'Alessio Building Development -southeast comer of North Black Cat Road and West Ustick Road: Recommend approval to City Council 10. Public Hearing: PP 01-012 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 23 building lots and 5 other lots on 8.15 acres in a proposed R-4 zone for proposed Staten Park Subdivision by D'Alessio Building Development - southeast corner of North Black Cat Road and West Ustick Road: Recommend approval to City Council 11. Public Hearing: CUP 01-018 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a continuation of a 3-year Conditional Use Permit granted in January of 1997 for modular buildings in an L-O zone for Meridian Assembly of God by Meridian Assembly of God - 1830 North Linder Road: Recommend approval to City Council for 5 years 12. Public Hearing: CUP 01-019 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a free-standing bank building with. adrive-thru window and ATM machines in an I-L zone for Meridian Crossroads Shopping Center by Dakota Company, Inca -south of East Fairview Avenue and east of North Eagle Road: Recommend approval to City Council 13. Public Hearing: PFP 01-001 Request for Preliminary/Final Plat approval of 4 building lots on 4.94 acres in an I-L zone for Seven Gates Industrial Subdivision by Dakota Company -southwest corner of Commercial and Machine Avenue, east of North Nola Road: Recommend approval to City Council Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Agenda -June 7, 2001 Page 2 of Z All materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the Cdy of Meridian. Anyone desiring accommodation for disabil~ies related to documents and/or hearings, please contact the City Cterk's Office at ~8-4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting. NSC ~ 1 '`.~k~ ~~ =~.~;_ ,~~{Y - ~~ ~?~~ ~ try; ,;, x; rs ~~: py „' s ~ ~, '->" _; ., ,. ^~fTt 4.., ~ ±~~ ,~ r ~? ~; F.: `Y ~:`.. ;' e CITY OF MERIDIAN MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING REGULAR MEETING AGENDA Thursday, June 7, 2001, at 7:00 P.M. City Council Chambers 1. Roll-call Attendance: O Sally Norton X Jerry Centers X Bill Nary X Keven Shreeve X Chairman Keith Borup 2. Adoption of the Agenda: 3. Consent Agenda: A. Approve minutes of April 19, 2001 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting: Approve 4. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: AZ 01-008 Request for Annexation and zoning of 12.71 acres from R1 and RUT to C-G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc. - Franklin Ro2ld west of Locust Grove Road: Continue Public Hearing to June 21, 2001 meeting 5. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: PP 01-009 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 10 building Tots and 3 other lots on 12.71 acres in proposed C-G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc. -Franklin Road west of Locust Grove Road: Continue Public Hearing to June 21, 2001 meeting 6. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: CUP 01-015 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a Planned Unit Development for mixed use Residential/Commercial in proposed C-G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc. -Franklin Road west of Locust Grove Road: Continue Public Hearing to June 21, 2001 7. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: PP 01-010 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 18 building lots and 2 other lots on 11.57 acres in R-4 and C-N zones for proposed Cherry Crossing by Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Agenda -June 7, 2001 Page 1 aF 2 All materials presented at public meetings shah become properly of the City of Meridian. Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilfies related to documents and/or hearings, please contact the City Clerk's Office at >~8-9433 at le~at 48 hours prior to the pubNc meeting. _ :;~~r ,: r~; ~s <~t ._,,.; .~~ ~~ ~,~ -~a. ~ ~7' ~~ ; ; <~;: ~- ;. .~ k!. .t ~~~ . -, ;~ :~, . X:,>: w ,~ ;. ~t:b;, K _~S ;_~: ~~~ ._.., F,`,~. •j$i~.: - ~ ~ Albertson's, Inc. -northwest corner of Linder Road and West Cherry Lane: Continue Public Hearing to June 21, 2001 meeting 8. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: CUP 01-016 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for single-family dwellings and drug store with drive-thru, fuel pumps, office/retail and fast food in R-4 and proposed C-N zones for proposed Cherry Crossing by Albertson's, Inc. -northwest corner of Linder Road and West Cherry Lane: Continue Public Hearing to July 19, 2001 meeting 9. Public Hearing: AZ 01-009 Request for Annexation and Zoning of 8.15 acres from RUT to R-4 zones for proposed Staten Park Subdivision by D'Alessio Building Development -southeast corner of North Black Cat Road and West Ustick Road: Recommend approval to City Council 10. Public Hearing: PP 01-012 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 23 building lots and 5 other lots on 8.15 acres in a proposed R-4 zone for proposed Staten Park Subdivision by D'Alessio Building Development - southeast comer of North Black Cat Road and West Ustick Road: Recommend approval to City Council 11. Public Hearing: CUP 01-018 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a continuation of a 3-year Conditional Use Permit granted in January of 1997 for modular buildings in an L-O zone for Meridian Assembly of God by Meridian Assembly of God - 1830 North Linder Road: Recommend approval to City Council for 5 years 12. Public Hearing: CUP 01-019 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a free-standing bank building with adrive-thru window and ATM mabhines in an I-L zone for Meridian Crossroads Shopping Center by Dakota Company, Inc. -south of East Fairview Avenue and east of North Eagle Road: Recommend approval to City Council 13. Public Hearing: PFP 01-001 Request for Preliminary/Final plat approval of 4 building lots on 4.94 acres in an I-L zone for Seven Gates Industrial Subdivision by Dakota Company -southwest corner of Commercial and Machine Avenue, east of North Nola Road: Recommend approval to Citj/ Council Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Agenda -June 7, 2~1 Page 2 of 2 All materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilfies related to documents and/or hearings, please contact the City Clerr~s Office at >~S-ai433 at least 48 boars prior to the pubr~c meting. ~, ,. ,. '~ ~y., o- '$~ ~ , >Y1 ~~~ A; ~,. CITY OF MERIDIAN ~,~. ` `"` MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING REGULAR MEETING ~a;~ AGENDA - Thursday, June 7, 2001, at 7:00 P.M. City Council Chambers ,~.. ~~} ?` 1. Roll-call Attendance: ~ ~~~ ~ Sally Norton Jerry Centers ~ Bil ary Keven Shreeve ~: ~Chairrnan Keith Borup 2. Adoption of the Agenda: ~; 3. Consent Agenda: ~ '~ ~ ~ A. Approve minutes of April 19, 2001 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting: ~ ~ - 4. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: AZ 01008 Request for Annexation and zoning of 12.71 acres from R1 and RUT to C-G and R-40 ~, zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc. ` -Franklin Road west of L c st Grove Road: `'~ ~r~f, 5. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: PP 01-009 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 10 building tots and 3 other lots on 12.71 '` " =~ acres in proposed C-G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place - Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc. -Franklin Road west of Locust t= Grove Road: ''~~'~ 6. Continued Public Hearing front May 17, 2001: CUP 01-015 Request '~J~ ~ ~ r for a Conditional Use Permit for a Planned Unit Development for mixed use Residential/Commercial in proposed C-G and R-~0 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc. -Franklin - ~ Road west of Locust Grove R.of d: ~ ~ ~~ C~-~"~~- /~/fl p~ ~ /~.e ~Sl ~.°t,° 7. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: PP 01-010 Request for s ~~'~` Preliminary Plat approval of 18 building lots and 2 other lots on 11.57 ;" } acres in R-4 and C-N zones for ;proposed Cherry Crossing by ,~,.~ ~..~~ Albertson's, Ina -northwest corner of Linder Road and West Cherry Lane: ' ~'3' ~ Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Agenda -June 7, 2001 Page 1 oP 2 Atl materials presented at putrlic meetings shall become prap~ity of the City of Meridian. ' `~ Anyo ne desiring acxommodation for disabfliHss related to documents and/oh~hearings, please contact the City Clerk's ,;-~?,s Office at 888.4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting. -Y~ . ~ r ~~'' " , ~s~i. ,: ,, ~ .: f?~h . ~. ,,- "`~ .'° ~ , ;w sir: - <as ;T;~: ~` ~ ;`' 8. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: CUP 01-016 Request `T ~{ for a Conditional Use Permit for single-family dwellings and drug store with drive-thru, fuel pumps, office/retail and fast food in R-4 and proposed >j~ C-N zones for proposed Cherry Crossing by Albertson's, Inc. -northwest ., : ~ corner of Linder Road and West Cheny Lane: ~ "' 9. Public Hearing: AZ 01-009 Request for nexation and Zoning of 8.15 }~ ~ acres from RUT to R-4 zones for proposed Staten Park Subdivision by "~ D'Alessio Building Development -southeast corner of North Black Cat Road and West Ustick Road: 10. Public Tearing: PP 01-012 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 23 5 _ - building Ipts and 5 other lots on 8.15 acres in a proposed R-4 zone for '~ proposed Staten Park Subdivision by D'Alessio Building Development - - southeast corner of North Black Cat Road and West Ustick Road: ~ ~~~ ,~ G ~~ I-~ ~ ~r ~ ~ - 11. Public Hearing: CUP 01-018 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a continuation of a 3-year Conditional Use Permit granted in January of 1997 for modular buildings in an L-O zone for Meridian Assembly of God ~ '' ` by Meridian Assembly of C3od -1830h I~inde r ~ ~~ ~ -'"~' ~ 12. Public Hearing: CUP 01-019 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for ' ` ~° ~" afree-standing bank building with adrive-thru window and ATM machines in an I-L zone for Meridian Crossroads Shopping Center by Dakota "`'~ ~° Company, Inc. -south of East Fairview Avenue and east of North Eagle r, Road. '` ` ,~ 13. Public Hearing: PFP 01-001 Request for Preliminary/Final Plat approval ~;` of 4 building lots on 4.94 acres in an I-L zone for Seven Gates Industrial ~µ.~ Subdivision by Dakota Company -southwest corner of Commercial and ~~~ ~_~.~~ Machine Avenue, east of North Nola Road: ~~?C (- ~ lra~ ~ ~f ~ -: } .~: ~;,~ 1 ~~'~ 7 ': '?}z it aY.' .„r ~y~%; '~~` ~ °`~,~' Meridian Planning and zoning Commission Agenda -June 7, 2~1 ~~ ". Pag®2 of 2 All materials presented at public meetings shall become property aF the City of Meridian. Anyone desiring ~commodation for disab~ihes related to documerrts and/or hearings, please contact the City Clerk's - Ofr~ at 888-4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public m~tlrtg. ;y-,.. j~~~~F ~~: :.' >: \ •' A _ t. ~)~. - ~ „ ~s ;, e 1 ~ TX CONE' I Rt~N REPORT *~ DATE TIME TO/FROM 18 05/18 12.47 PUBLIC WORKS 19 05/18 12 49 1 208 466 4405 20 05/18 12 50 8841159 21 05/18 12 51 2088840744 22 05/18 1253 2088845077 23 05/18 1254 208 898 5501 24 05/18 12 55 8886854 25 05/18 1256 8950390 AS OF MAY 18 '01~ PAGE.01 CITY OF MERIDIAN MODE MIN/SEC PGS CMDi# STRTUS OF°S 08'35" 002 006 OK EC°S 01'00" 002 006 OK EC°S 00'46" 002 006 OK EC°S 00'46" 002 006 OK EC°S 00'46" 002 006 OK EC°S 00'45" 002 006 OK EC°S 00'46" 002 006 OK EC°S 00'45" 002 006 OK CITY OF MERIDIAN MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING REGULAR MEETING AGENDA Thursday, May 17, 2001 * at 7:00 P.M. City Council Chambers ^t~`4 - fir, 1. Roll-call Attendance: ~ Sally Norton ''' Jerry Cerrters Bill Nary >r Keven Shreeve / Chairman Keith Borup 2. Adoption of the Agenda: 3. Consent Agenda: A. Approve minutes of April 5, 2001 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting: p~ 4. Continued Public Hearing from April 5, 2001: AZ 01-005 Request for annexation and zoning of 28.59 acres from RUT to R-8 for proposed Macaile Meadows Subdivision by Hillvitw Land Development, LLC - sou~~thoQof~j;Fafrview and west of Cloverdale Roads: 5. Co trnue ublic Hea " g from Apri15, 1: PP 01.006 Request far Preliminary Plat approval of 115 buflding lots and 15 other Tots on 28.59 acres in a proposed R-8 zone for proposed Macaile Meadows Subdivision by Hillview Land Development, LLC -south of Fairview and west of Cloverdale Roads: ~.2C+ornmehal aPpr6v~.l -~-n G`Iv~ Co~.nr.~$, 6. Continued Public Heanng from Apri119, 2 1: PP 01-005 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 336 building lots and 513 other lots on 175.91 acres in proposed R-4 and C-G zones for proposed Bridgetower Crossing Subdivision by Primeland Development, Co. LLP -north of Ustick and east of Ten Mile Roads: r2ZGomvhP.-td Gt~'rdYa.~ ~o ~ Gt~wv~.u:Q, 7. Continued Public Heanng ftom April 1 , 2 1: CUP 01-006 Request for Conditional Use Permit for 692 single-family lots, 59 townhomes, 17 office lots and 10 commercial lots on 370.55 acres in proposed R-4 and C- Gzones for proposed Bridgetovrer Crossing Subdivision by Primeland Development, Co. LLP -north of Ustick and east of Ten Mile Roads: Meridian Plarming end Zo~pg Cotmniasion P~genda -May 17, 2001 M materials presenter at public m~tln~ sl au become property d the CRy d Merlalan. Myone desiring accommodation for dsatrit0ev reacted to documems andlor hearings, please eorrtact the City Clerk's ONke at ~8-4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting. ~t `f: > ;,_ -t ~; .~ ~Y~;c :' ~:._,:r ~4 ~' ..,}, ~w. 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Adoption of the Agenda: 3. Consent Agenda: A. Approve minutes of April 19. 2001 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting: q/~~~.¢~ 4. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: AZ 01-008 Request for Annexation and zoning of 12.71 acres from R1 and RUT to C-G and R-40 zonc3s for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L,C. Development, Inc. -Franklin Roa west of L st Grove Road: 5. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: PP 09-009 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 10 building lots and 3 other lots on 12.71 acres in proposed C-G and RN40 zones for proposed Baltic Placa Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc. -Franklin Road west of Locust Grove Roa~~-- ~l ~ ~ ~-,-C ?.~~ ~ f~~ 6. Continued Public Haring from May 17, 2001: CUP 01-015 Request for a Conditlona! Use Permit for a Planned Unit Development for mixed use Residential/Commercial in proposed C-G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdrvislon by L.C. Development. Inc. -Franklin Road west of Locust Grove Road: 7. Canbinued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: PP 01-010 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 18 building lots and 2 other lots on 11.57 acres in R-4 and C-N zones for proposed Cherry Crossing by Albertson's, Inc. -northwest comer of Linder Road and West Cherry Lane: AAeridien Plarming end Zm~~ing Commission Age~a -Jerre 7.2001 1411 meterlef6 preaeMed et public ~e 1 aP 2 Anyone dssinn9 exommode6on for disabil~es retaMd to dxumenb andrlrearirg~,Cp~s~ om~aCt Rye City ClerKs ~Oftke et t188~44xi et 48 haws error to the publk meeting. B® _. , ~k ,r =m, =E, ,~.~~ ;_~ A~ _ ~a,i LZ ~I ~~` IVY ~'•, ;T;' ~ ~( £p ~fi `,~~' H r.; a4 ~<<. ~, ~~ x ;, ,;h .: r y.;~; ~~:> ~' . ~_ ~., '{ ^ ~wtc TX CONF I RMAT~ REPORT talc DATE TIME TOiFROM 29 06108 10 50 3810160 AS OF JUN 08 '0~10~51 PAGE.01 CITY OF MERIDIAN MODE MINiSEC PGS CMDtI STATUS EC--S 01'16° 002 10? OK CITY OF MERIDIAN MERIDIAN PLANNING AND 20NING REGULAR MEETING AGENDA Thursday, June 7, 2001, at 7:00 P.M. City Council Chambers 1. Roll-call Attendance: Sally Norton ~ Jerry Centers BII ary Keven Shreeve Chairman Keith Borup Z. Adoption of the Agenda: 3. Consent Ag®nda: A. Approve minutes of April 19, 2001 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting: ~~ ~ 4. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: AZ 01.008 Request for Annexation and zoning of 12,71 acres from R1 and RUT to C-G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Piece Subd'nrision by L.C. Development, Inc. - Franklin Roa west of L s# Grove Road: Co hrc.~ /0 ~ ,~~i~-~e- 2l ~ S. Contir~usd Public Hearing from May 97, 2001: PP 01-009 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 10 building lots and 3 other lots on 12.71 acres in proposed C-G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development. Inc. -Franklin Road west of Locust Grove Road: 6. Continued Public Hearing from May 97, 2001: CUP D1-015 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a Planned Unit Dev®lopment for mixed use ResidentiaUCommercial in proposed C-G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Dev®lopm®nt, Inc. -Franklin Road west of Locust Grove Ro d: G~i'hu.~.. p/}~ r~ cT~•,~ 2! ~6 `may 7. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: PP fl1.010 Request for Pr®liminary Plat approval of 18 building lots and 2 other lots on 11.57 acres in R-4 and C-N zones for proposed Cheery Crossing by Albertson's, Inc. -northwest comer of Linder Road and West Cherry Lane: e~~ A~~r ~~a~y ~~, Bpi ~~. Meridian Plermin9 and Zoning CommisslonAgenda,=June 7, 2~1 Page 1 oP 2 , Ap materiak presented at public meetir~ga shall become ProAenY O/ the Clly ~ Mel'Idlen. A^Y°"8 destn^9 acaatm~oda6on for disenpRfea -alated W dor~un~ta and/oHd~aringa. the Cry C1erl~s at 8884433 at least 48 hags Prior to the public meet ~:v:;, ~~~~ 3. Consent Agenda: A. Approve minutes of April 19, 2001 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting: Approve s `.~~ T' ~~ ~£ ~ ~ kw..; ;: ' 3' s ,;` r 4 a~~ , ~ ;: ii:' .`y'lL " T f+, ,. L a ,,~; ,,- ;i y~~.: ,: CITY OF MERIDIAN MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING REGULAR MEETING AGENDA ~.. Thursday, June 7, 2001, at 7:00 P.M. City Council Chambers 1. (toll-call Attendance: 0 Sally Norton X Jerry Centers X Bill Nary X Keven Shreeve X Chairman Keith Borup 2. Adoption of the Agenda: 4. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: AZ 01-008 Request for Annexation and zoning of 12.71 acres from R1 and RUT to C-G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc. - Franklin Road west of Locust Grove Road: Continue Public Hearing to June 21, 2001 meeting 5. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: PP 01-009 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 10 building lots and 3 other lots on 12.71 acres in proposed C-G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc. -Franklin Road west of Locust Grove Road: Continue Public Hearing to June 21, 2001 meeting 6. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: CUP 01-015 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a Planned Unit Development for mixed use Residential/Commercial in proposed C-G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc. -Franklin Road west of Locust Grove Road: Continue Public Hearing to June 21, 2001 7. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: PP 01-010 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 18 building lots and 2 other lots on 11.57 acres in R-4 and C-N zones for proposed Cherry Crossing by Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Agenda -June 7, 2001 Page 9 of 2 All materials pr~errted at public meetings shall become property of the city of Meridian. Anyone desiring acxommodation for disabilities related to documents and/or hearings, please contact the City Clerk's Office at 888-4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting. { 3~<:' `•s; :; o a Albertson's, Inc. -northwest corner of Linder Road and West Cherry Lane: Continue Public Hearing to June 21, 2001 meeting ,";f ti `~ ` 8. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: CUP 01-016 Request ~~~~ - for a Conditional Use Permit for single-family dwellings and drug store with drive-thru, fuel pumps, office/retail and fast food in R-4 and proposed C-N zones for proposed Chevy Crossing by Albertson's, Inc. -northwest ' ~ corner of Linder Road and West Cherry Lane: Continue Public Hearing ~` ~` to July 19, 2001 meeting - ~`, ' ~~~ 9. Public Hearing: AZ 01-009 Request for Annexation and Zoning of 8.15 acres from RUT to R-4 zones for proposed Staten Park Subdivision by ~~ ~`~' '' D'Alessio Building Development -southeast comer of North Black Cat ~~~~~ Road and West Ustick Road: Recommend approval to City Gouncil `t' ~ 10. Public Hearing: PP 01-012 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 23 building lots and 5 other lots on 8.15 acres in a proposed R-4 zone for ~~~= proposed Staten Park Subdivision by D'Alessio Building Development - ~~~ southeast corner of North Black Cat Road and West Ustick Road: f. Recommend approval to City Council i. - .~F,~~~. .. • `~`~ 11. Public Hearing: CUP 01-018 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a continuation of a 3-year Conditional Use Permit granted in January of ~~ 1997 for modular buildings in an L-O zone for Meridian Assembly of God by Meridian Assembly of God - 1830 North Linder Road: Recommend ~,-~~ approval to City Council for 5 years :~; -:;. _:~, ~,~~°~~ 12. Public Hearing: CUP 01-019 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for "~~ afree-standing bank building with adrive-thru window and ATM machines ~- ~' in an I-L zone for Meridian Crossroads Shopping Center by Dakota . i } • Company, Inc. -south of East Fairview Avenue and east of North Eagle • ``~~ Road: Recommend approval to City Council Y'~~: 13. Public Hearing: PFP 01-001 Request for Preliminary/Final Plat approval ..~~,~.: is of 4 building lots on 4.94 acres in an I-L zone for Seven Gates Industrial ,~,:~ Subdivision by Dakota Company -southwest corner of Commercial and Machine Avenue, east of North Nola Road: Recommend approval to City Council 3i': ' ~ ;;;;' ~~ ~W; ~: ` Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Agenda -June 7, 2~1 Page 2 of 2 s }' All materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. «~. ` Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilities related to documents and/or hearings, please contact the City Clerk's h-L~,} Offioe at 1388-4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting. rrP~?jj 5` _3 .} ~ -t } .. t1 : .. .. - ~. a _. ~ .. „3 r .. ~~ ~i ~~~ ~'. ~~rr; P.;. ~:.} :,r yr; ;•~-' µ_ ~`~~. ~~- ~_~:~ - ~:~:u >' _~: „~ ~ ~a~~ rrc a <n,~ ,~ ~ :~ _ ,~ . .-:.,~;` ;~'~?4 ~~~r;; r ~t ~~x }, <~~: iY A^ti ~, ~,'~~i. .,.,t_ a~~:~. ,:~ n .~~~ t~}- „y~rsYj3~yyx ?kk ~r'S 2y.=~~,:..... 0 0 Meridian Plannins~ and. Zoning Meeting _ June 7, 2001 The City of Meridian Planning and Zoning regularly scheduled meeting was called to order at 7:00 P.M., on Thursday, June 7, 2001 by Chairman Keith Borup. Members Present: Keith Borup, Jerry, Centers, Bill Nary and Keven Shreeve. Members Absent: Sally Norton. Others Present: Brad Hawkins-Clark, Brad Watson, David Swartley and Will Berg. Item 1. Roll-call Attendance: O Sally Norton X Jeny Centers X Bill Nary X Keven Shreeve X Chairman Keith Borup Borup: -- and start our meeting. I apologize for being a little late. Our workshop -- we kind of lost track of time. I'd like to open the regular Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission meeting and take a roll of those in attendance. Sally Norton is absent. I#em 2. Adoption of the Agenda: Item 3. Consent Agenda: A. Approve minutes of April 19, 2001 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting: Borup: The first item is our minutes from April 19~" meeting. Are we catching up on minutes, any at all? Trying to, any comments - Nary: Mr. Chairman. Borup: Commissioner Nary. Nary: I did notice on that 1 didn't note when we changed items. I was present for item, which is one item, Items 10, 11, and 12. At that meeting, if you read the minutes I sort of just appear out of thin air because it noted that I was absent, so we can at least make sure they note that I was present for that. This was only the second hearing that night. Borup: Did I not announce you when you came in? Nary: I didn't see that. I didn't notice that. ' , ~ 1 y # r; e ~ ;.. ` Meridian Planning and Zoning ission Meeting 7 2<m1 J une , Page 2 ~~ t° ~ (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) ~ti,d~°'~ Borup: He came in half way through Tuscany. ..;;, Nary: I sat out of the Tuscany hearing but 1 did participate in the -about 10:00 yes. That's about when we took over. x *i^s'_ ' `~~ Borup: Item No. 10. ;ri ~. - Nary: I just want to make note of that. r ~? . ~tk ":,,~: Borup: Okay, Thank you. I didn't notice when you came in. We should have called you up because I think we had just barely started. Nary: I didn't realize you had just started. w~; ~~~ Centers: Mr. Chairman. ~. _' .:~: Borup: Commissioner Centers. Centers: With that modification I would move that we approve the minutes of the April 19~' meeting. ,. ~~~ Shreeve: Second. ~~ ~` •`'~ Borup: Motion is second to approve the minutes. All in favor. ~;t{ :~~ - MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT "u' r~,:. Item 4. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: AZ 01-008 °;~~ Request for Annexation and zoning of 12.71 acres from R1 and „ ~r:~µ RUT to C-G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place °' Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc. -Franklin Road west of ~~'~~ Locust Grove Road: Item 5. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: PP 01-009 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 10 building lots and 3 other lots on 12.71 acres in proposed C-G and R~0 zones for proposed • Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc. -Franklin ~~ Road west of Locust Grove Road: ~r'~~ Item 6. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: CUP 01-015 Request fora Conditional Use Permit fora Planned Unit Development for mixed use Residential/Commercial in proposed C- ;~-; :-~ ~, ~~~ ;~ ~:r~~;, ,. , , , .r. s ~,,._ , _, ~• • ,~..:; ,x~, .. ,. ~, .~, ~: . ~', 4. ~~ . . L •5 {.t ~~; ;~: ru~~. ~~~ ,:>: Meridian Planning and Zoningmission Meeting June 7, 2001 Page 3 G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision by L.C. Development, Inc. -Franklin Road west of Locust Grove Road: Borup: Okay. This is quite a sight. I've got to tell you folks we haven't seen a room like this in four or five years really. I don't think since I've been on here. Next item and the first of the Public Hearing are Items 4, 5 and 6 are Continued Public Hearings from our May 17~' meeting. We do not have a written statement but I understand we have an oral communication from the applicant. Brad, would you have any? Mr. Brad Hawkins-Clark do you have any comments? Hawkins-Clark: Thank you. Yes, Chairman Borup, we did have a communication from Shawn Nickel who is with the firm that the applicant Lee Centers is with. They have made some modifications to their site plan. They were prepared to submit that to you tonight. We as staff said that we would not be recommending the Commission act on it if they could not submit prior to that. So they are intending to submit a revised plan for that mixed-use project there on Franklin Road in the next couple of days. You should have that in your packets. They've asked that the Commission continue it to your 21St meeting of this month. Borup: Did they indicate how much of a change they were looking at? Hawkins-Clark: In terms of the conceptual layout really not significant. There was, as a result of their meeting with the Ada County Highway District, there was a slight change I believe to the right of-way. They are now proposing strictly a private drive entering off of Franklin. On the plan that you have, that was a public right that extended a few hundred feet into the site. They have proposed to take away the public right of-way and replace it with a private drive. Borup: Mr. Berg, what (inaudible) we got scheduled for the 21~t? Have we got anything? That was areal -very few on that meeting too I think because that's supposed to be our carry over meeting. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: From before because we didn't have time on this agenda. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: It was a question. Do we have room on the agenda for -- (Inaudiblediscussion amongst Commission members) Borup: It'll be the first hearing. Even though it's continued, we've not had any testimony or presentation or anything on it. So, it'll be a full hearing. ~! r 4 .~x,y;E A~:Yi ~ ~ ~~~ ,.. :~~ ~' _,t, ~~~ w~ -, ~~~; x x~; ~;~;_ ~d~'E~~ ~;; ~° ~{: 1,: .;~v tR. ~~ ~N F ~ Y <;.:: ,-, ~4 k ~,j ~ ~'~~= ;~~ .., `'f~,ia =wa ~F~`' 7'd.. Meridian Planning and Zoningmission Meeting June 7, 2001 Page 4 Hawkins-Clark: I don't believe it's even been opened has it? Borup: No. Hawkins-Clark: So, it's just been - (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: Yes, we opened it and then continued it. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: I didn't continue on that as far as the changes. It doesn't sound like they're to the extent that it's got to go out with new submittals, transmittals to everybody and have them reviewed or anything. If it's just aright-of-way change and just some distances changed a little bit. Things maybe just either got smaller or slid down a few feet. Hawkins-Clark: Correct. I don't think that it would be considered significant enough to warrant new agency submittals. It's similar square-footages, similar number of dwelling units, and same number of lots in general. Borup: So, then really the only question is if there's room on the agenda at this point. It looks like - Nary: Mr. Chairman. Borup: Yes, Commissioner Nary. Nary: This was continued previously. This hearing tonight is the second it was set? Borup: Yes. Nary: So, this is now the third time it's being set. Borup: I think the first one was, they didn't quite make it -- they had submitted it and there wasn't quite time to get on the other agenda. Then it got moved and then they were out of town last time. Nary: I just hate to keep continuing it for lot things. This sounds like something - I don't know whether this was a last minute thing or something like that. I'd rather put it on July 19~' and at least -- whatever problems they've got. They should have it resolved. If there's questions that staff has, they don' t have to hurry up and review it. I know there's some staff time that sometimes may take -- I know July 5~' we've already got quite a few set for that. I know they wanted July ~, . ~'> ,., r: ~ -. _ r. ~,. _ .. . ~. ;fit ~ A' .. t~ ~ ~y"'~ , ' t-\ +~`5~x ,.c<- :;. ~'~. r ~,~~- ;i.,:, r .`,': ~z_ ,r:~; ~: =, e;: :~. :~< ._ , ,_, w~ ~.> ' ~M1s: ~_ ~~ ~~.:rr __ _y; ~ ~ -`~ .;~;` %_ -~_>'. ,;, . `~~_ 'T ~2 :F ~~~~~ :;~°F ~~ ~; ~>~ >;. ;; s. y F~:A <. ;~`; ~a_ ~~ :.~ Meridian Planning and Zoning f~miseion Meeting June 7, 2001 Page 5 21st, but they had tonight and they didn't get it done by tonight. I think they're subject to whatever they can get. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: At least 1 would feel like if we set it to July 19th then maybe we'll hear it. Rather than set it on June 21st and you know it puts the planning staff or the Public Works staff in a bind hurrying to get this accomplished as well when they're not the ones causing this timetable change. I guess that would be my preference, rather than just trying to push (inaudible). Borup: Has the staff already done their review of the project with what you've got now? Hawkins-Clark: Yes you have not received the staff report - Borup: But, it's completed? Hawkins-Clark: -but it is complete. We were waiting for this revised plan to possibly tweak some conditions in relationship to that right-of-way change. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: (Inaudible) a lot of time that you would need then? Hawkins-Clark: No. Borup: Commissioner Nary, my only concern is, unless we've got a trend going here. If we push too much too far out, we're going to get jammed up down the road. Nary: We11, that's true. Like I said, if we come in two weeks and something else is a miss then we've got to start off another month anyway. Borup: It doesn't sound like - I mean the staff report was essentially done at last months meeting. Nary: Yes I guess if we just check to see how heavy it looks. Borup: Then the next item is in the same situation. Nary: Right that one's been set over a couple of times as well for I think similar types of issues. Borup: It seemed like from the testimony - ~~K: n;, ~- ~~~; ~:. N~~~ ~~;1:i Meridian Planning and Zoning ~ission Meeting o Jurte 7, 2t~1 Page 6 Nary: We can't put them both on the 21St anyway. Borup: Will is double-checking - Nary: Oh, okay. Borup: If I remember right the one on Baltic Place they were -- even though they made some changes. They were a month ago on the first date that we thought it was going to be scheduled for. Is that correct? Hawkins-Clark: That's correct. Hubble Engineering, there was a scheduling conflict I believe. They were not able to be here because of a vacation schedule. They were ready the two weeks prior to that. The Cherry Crossing 7, 8 and 9, they have specifically requested a July 19t" date. Borup: All right. I didn't -- let's see what we've got here. We've got two items on the 21St. One is a continued on Autumn Faire and the other one is a Meridian Chamber. That's the shortest agenda we've ever had so far. Nary: We'll see how the rest of the night goes. Then I guess, Mr. Chairman - Borup: That's true the night's not over. Nary: I guess Mr. Chairman, I would go ahead and make a motion then to reset Items 4, 5 and 6 the Public Hearing for the Baltic Place Subdivision, both the annexation, the Preliminary Plat and the CUP request, that we move those three items of that project to our June 21St meeting. Centers: I would second that. Borup: Okay motion is second -- just a matter of information, the July 5t", we've got 15 items. SO, if we have any continuation from that they would go to the second July meeting (inaudible). Any other discussion, comment? All in favor. MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: Yes, that was to continue the Public Hearing on Items 4, 5 and 6 to the June 21St meeting. `x,,. ~ ri - ; ;:` ~.: ~,.,. ~~;w ~~~;;' ~~ `~~w;irg3 r'~. .~ Kr „~h ~.>~: 3- ;;:,4 =z= ~..: =x :~; { ~~ ~ ~'~- _s.; ;: ~r ~;~: ~r., ~. , ~~~ `t' p .,~, ~.,~4 ,~ ~ r: Meridian Planning and Zoning C~ission Meeting S June 7, 2001 Page 7 Item 8. Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001: CUP 01-016 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for single-family dwellings and drug store with drive-thru, fuel pumps, office/retail and fast food in R-4 and proposed C-N zones for proposed Cherry Crossing by Albertson's, Inc. -northwest comer of Linder Road and West Cherry Lane: Borup: Next items are also Continued Public Hearings. Request for Preliminary Plat on Cherry Crossing and Conditional Use Permit on Cheny Crossing, Items No. 7 and 8. They have requested to be continued until July 19th (inaudible) a fetter that just came today. Nary: And, we're okay on the 19th? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: That's quite a ways out. Borup: The 19th should be small at this point. Centers: Mr. Chairman I would make the motion that Items 7 and 8 Continued Public Hearing PP 01-010 and Continued Public Hearing on CUP 01-016 be placed on our July 19th agenda. Shreeve: Second. Borup: You meant continued to that? Centers: Right. ~. Borup: Motion's second. All in favor? MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT Item 9. Public Hearing: AZ 01-009 Request for Annexation and Zoning of 8.15 acres from RUT to R-4 zones for proposed Staten Park Subdivision by D'Alessio Building Development -southeast corner of North Black Cat Road and West Ustick Road: Item 10. Public Hearing: PP 01-012 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 23 building lots and 5 other lots on 8.15 acres in a proposed R-4 zone for proposed Staten Park Subdivision by D'Alessio Building Development -southeast comer of North Black Cat Road and West Ustick Road: ~ 4 j~r ;. ~`~=. R^~;;. ...~°: Meridian Planning and Zoningmission Meeting e June 7, 2001 Page 8 Borup: Okay, Item No. 9 is a Public Hearing request for annexation and zoning of 8.15 acres from RUT to R-4 zone for proposed Staten Park Subdivision, southeast comer of Black Cat and West Ustick. The accompanying Item 10, Public Hearing request for Preliminary Plat. Approval of 23 building lots and 5 other lots on the same project. I'd like to open both these Public Hearings and start with the staff report, Mr. Hawkins-Clark. Hawkins-Clark: Thank you Chairman Borup. A first note, you have received believe, in one of your packets a staff report dated May 7~'. Just so you know, it should be replaced with a June 4~' report. They are essentially the same staff report but just for the record, it is the correct date for the staff report on Staten Park, the June 4~'. I won't go into significant detail on this since you have seen both of these applications priors. On the screen is just an aerial to give you a sense for the overall topography out here. There's a red outline around the subject parcel here on the south side of Ustick Road. The golf course and Ashford Greens to the south. Wilkin's Ranch, Dakota Ridge here to the east and Black Cat Road here. The crosshatched pieces on the screen there that's the application and then some site photos. As you can tell, not taken yesterday. In terms of the annexation request, our staff report dated June 4~' does give a little bit of a summary. The City Council did deny the same application earlier this year or last fall. The bottom of the first page of the report kind of hits a couple of the highlights why. They felt there was an abundant inventory of R-4 zoned subdivision with 8,000 square-foot Tots. They mentioned the 1,400 square-foot house sizes were not comparable with those in the area. Also, the minimum 5 percent open space shown on the previous plan was not considered by a couple of the Council People as usable or logical. The request for the zone is the same as the earlier request last fall. It is for the R-4 from the current RUT. One of the changes to the staff report on this new one is, on Page 2 Item No. 4 due to the fact that the applicant is asking for minimum house square-footages that are greater than those required we feel a Development Agreement should be required whereas previously it was recommended not to have a Development Agreement. I think on the annexation and zoning comments, that's pretty much the highlights. Moving on to the plat comments, on the screen is the original plat that was - by original, the one that was denied by Council and I don't know if you can see too well on there. I mainly wanted to give this to your attention to point out that they did remove one lot here on the east boundary of the subdivision. Here's the proposed layout that you have before you now. On the Preliminary Plat requirements in the staff report, I don't think there's really anything of significance to point out. Most of them are standard comments. They do need to submit a variance for the requested reduction to the minimum block length. Minimum block length in our code is 500 feet and they are below that. Item No. 13 on Page 4 does say that they will need to have a variance approved prior to City Council action on the Preliminary Plat. I think I'll just leave it at that and stand for questions. ;~~. ~: i. --~~ ;~ ., Ir'.i i ~ <~ t ,rF~~ ,.:r -, ~ .y~ :~ ~~ ~~~,: ~k~ ;~« dry; ._ ~ ~,,'- '. ~Zk~~ ~'~~z - ,,,. ,~: ~ r ;~_~. .~~e ~~. "- Is ~, ~ .s' Y' ``' `$5; ,:~-=;~ L ~4t z. ~~ ~ 1~ ~„ Meridian Planning and Zoning L~ission Meeting June 7, 2001 Page 9 Borup: Any questions or comments from any of the Commissioners? The only thing I fpund interesting were a couple of comments on City Council's reasoning tonight. I don't know if I understood much behind their reasoning. That's Dakota Ridge, directly to the east? Hawkins-Clark: No I think that's Wilkin's Ranch. Borup: Okay that's R-4 with 14,000 minimum, or 1400-foot minimum? I mean it's exactly the same as that subdivision, isn't it? Hawkins-Clark: Well, there's a Wilkin's Ranch Subdivision and then there's a Wilkin's Ranch Vllage. There are actually two and, Brad do you remember which one is adjacent? One of them does have a variation of lot sizes. I believe it's Wilkin's Ranch Village. They do have - Borup: It looked like from the comments that they're saying that this is incompatible almost with adjoining subdivisions which I couldn't see. The comment on the abundant lot inventory. Do they have a list of all the inventory? Centers: I was wondering the same thing. Did they have a survey? Hawkins-Clark: That's not the comments I've heard. (Inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Centers: Mr. Chairman. Borup: Yes, Commissioner Centers. Centers: I have a question for Brad. I guess a stupid question is no question. Why are you getting the Development Agreement when they're agreeing to exceed the minimum? Is it that you want it in writing? Their minimum is more than what is required. Hawkins-Clark: Correct. I think it is somewhat of a call for the Commission and the Council -you know if they were to go below, I would require a Planned Development. So, they couldn't do it. I think anytime there is a feature of a subdivision that is different than the ordinance, there's really no way for us to have that run with the land. Borup: The covenants could be changed. Hawkins-Clark: What could be changed? Borup: The covenants. :::y- .:r~ ~, P~;v ~ ,,Tr ~~;:. ~; ~~: %'f` ~, 'a ,•.':~ Y :, ~r, ~~ ;.;~~ ~'~. 't~~ ~~ ~ r 'F~,',s~,~i ._. ~. ,e, ,, ., r _;.~ ~,, .,~~ ~` o- r ~ ;~ ~~ ~F 1 ' .: f~i #': ': is ~~~ ~tF'r ~t «4~~ : ; ..' -;^, ~, `~; n, ~ ;° :;~: ,~~ -.F~i { -.~ 1 tom': Meridian Planning and Zoningmission Meeting June 7, 2009 Page 10 Hawkins-Clark: Which is not something the City can enforce. Centers: So, that's the only way to enforce it. Isn't that what you're saying, is to have a Development Agreement? Hawkins-Clark: Right if it was a Planned Development application it would probably not be necessary because the Planned Development would run with the land. You could just say that this is a condition of the Planned Development but, it's a plat which, house size really is not a subdivision type condition. It's more related to the zoning ordinanos. I think that's - Borup: That is why the applicant applied for (inaudible). Anybody else have any other comments? Would the applicant like to come forward? D. D~Alessio: Hi my name is Dan D'Alessio. I reside at 6314 North Park Meadow Way in West Boise. I am the applicant for the proposed Staten Park Subdivision. It's basically the same plat that you've seen previously except, like you said we eliminated one lot, raised the minimum square-footage of the lot sizes and raised the minimum square-footages of the homes which is what I think the City Council wants. I basically am here to try to get it before them one more time. Shreeve: Could you repeat your first name? D. D'Alessio: Dan. Borup: First of all, have you had a chance to read the staff comments? D. D'Alessio: Not the one dated yesterday. I haven't received that. Borup: You read the one from the previous? D. D'Alessio: Yes. Borup: I will need a clarification on what was different. In eliminating the lot, did the street also move forward a little bit or did the street stay in the same spot? D. D'Alessio: The street is the same it was like that originally. Borup: Okay so, the lots just got bigger? D. D'Alessio: Yes (inaudible) offset. Borup: But, then the lots along Ustick got wider also? r"k; ;, . ; '; -.:~r i :,_. ~x, ,, ;:,,~ T ~ { 5; _~ -~ .~ h ;} ~~ ,. ,, >.t5 `.; r.-af> ~, ,, ;.: ~:, ~~~. r ;fin? ~~: ~~ ~, x jS ~ ;'~~' . < ~.3 ~, ~,: ~, r/, t~ '~w ~ gar '' fi,:. ~~ :;W'; 1 Meridian Planning and Zoning C~ission Meeting June 7, 2~1 Page 11 D. D'Alessio: The lots along Ustick got wider and the lots along the east boundary of the property. By the way, along the east boundary of the property that is Wilkin's Ranch. Borup: Okay. D. D'Alessio: Wilkin's Ranch Village is a little further east and a little further south. There are some - a lot higher density in Wilkin's Vllage than there is in Wilkin's Ranch. There isn't a lot on there that's 8,000 square feet. I think the smallest lot there is 8,500. They go up to 14,000. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: Mr. Chairman. Borup: Commissioner (Vary. Nary: Is it D'Alessio? D. D'Alessio: Yes it is, perfect. Nary: Okay Mr. D'Alessio, it appears that one of the other things that City Council had a problem with before was this walking path that had no connectivity. It says now, it's going to connect back to (inaudible) street? D'Alessio: It always did. Nary: Okay so, there isn't any change to what they didn't like? D'Alessio: No, there is. We eliminated one lot. Their biggest concern was an overabundance - Nary: I understand about the one lot change. I'm saying with the green space, there isn't any change to that part of what the City Council also commented that they didn't like? D. D'Alessio: I think their biggest comment about that walking path their negative comment was the fence. They wanted a solid fence and that will give them a 4- foot solid fence. Nary: But correct me if I'm wrong. Does it connect to the other subdivision on the east side? D. D'Alessio: If you look at the southeast border of the property that corner there is a path that goes all the way back up to West Campfire. That was on the original plat. ~...; Meridian Planning and Zoning fission Meeting e June 7, 2t~1 Page 12 Nary: Okay I guess maybe I'm not asking this very clearly. That walking path is not connected east and west to any other subdivision. It is a totally island like path, correct? D. D'Alessio: It leads out to West Campfire. So, West Campfire - Nary: I understand. That's north. D. D'Alessio: Right. Nary: But, it doesn't connect on the east side or the west side to anything. It is just a green space in the middle of next to a canal. D. D'Alessio: Definitely on the west side it doesn't connect to anything. Nary: Right so, right now -- so, the green space, to meet the 5 percent requirement, what you've done is you've created a green space that doesn't connect to anything. It just wraps around that comer and goes north up to Campfire Street. Is that green grass walking path up to the campfire street as well or is that just a gravel path? D. D'Alessio: It's an asphalt path. Nary: Okay so you have a green space path along the canal for, how long is that? About half a mile? D. D'Alessio: I'm not sure. Nary: About aquarter-mile. There's no other green space in this subdivision at all just because it's next to the golf course, right? D. D'Alessio: Well, you've got the, up in the - (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: Okay. ~' Borup: Is Campfire an existing stub from the other subdivision? D. D'Alessio: From Wilkin's Ranch. Borup: Okay that's why it has to stay at that location. D. D'Alessio: I have a copy of Wilkin's Ranch plat here and I could show you guys where - ,_, .; J Yi - t p7: t3: :>' },' '_ ~ z, ~. ~: ,. ~T.° ,,,, -~ y; x- +, ~~~. x ~~ i, -;~; ;r ~:I ~f`,i ~.~ ~ ~ ~, ';:,~. ~.=:. a_«, ~_ -~~~, ~r~~,~ ~~, _<; r ,• ~~ t * r' ~.~ir r~ ,,;: :'~„ ,..1 ,~ dt~. dill ~~'f ~~~- FN . j'k~.: (~~i r Rti~; ry Meridian Planning and Zoning CaRRhission Meeting June 7, 2~1 Page 13 Borup: But, it doesn't have yours on it though? D. D'Afessio: No it doesn't do you want to see it? O (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: But, the question we were talking about here was Campfire Street, that it was offset from the other. That was one of the discussions last time. Staff preferred that it would be lined up straight but the problem was that - (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: -- right, there wasn't any choice to have these lot depths. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Shreeve: Mr. Chairman. Borup: Yes, Commissioner Shreeve. Centers: Can I ask a question of Brad? Brad, I believe the Eight Mile lateral was to have a pathway along that. Is that correct to your recollection? Just because I concur with Commissioner Nary in terms of, or at least what I believe what he was implying that you know it doesn't really serve much of a purpose. Yet in the future it actually may serve a very good purpose. Hawkins-Clark: Commissioner Centers I do not believe the Eight Mile is designated in their pathway plan. They've selected natural drainages primarily which would be, in this general location, would be the Five Mile which is a little further east. Centers: Okay. Borup: He's talking about in the parks pathway plan. Hawkins-Clark: Right. We have taken the parks pathway plan which has not been adopted by Council yet but is proposed and used that on our draft Comprehensive Plan and it's not shown. 1 think there's a small piece of the Eight Mile south of Victory that it does go along but nothing on the north end of the Gity. Centers: So, the other subdivision has been developing the Eight Mile lateral on the south side, or southwest side. However you want to call that. Is that what I read by your statement? In the summary? That was one of the City Council's 1~~' } . - ,f . 1 f rt vii ,'., t Y . _ °.~ "„+^Y `. ~~ ~ "r` `~~^ ~~ ~, `~` r ;: ~ ~,:t..~; '; ~,-' . ~~, ~ '~,. ~=- ;'l~%~~< <. 4 x~ y ~:: nom, ~ ~ ~r ~: `~N }~ °~= -r ~. Meridian Planning and Zoning C~ission Nesting June 7, 2001 Page 14 reasons for denial is because the pathway is on the opposite side? Your last sentence on Page 1. Hawkins-Clark: Right I believe that's true. I'm sorry Dan may be able to speak to that better than 1. I wasn't at the City Council meeting. I believe that, I don't think that's the City Council's concern is there was no head bridge across the Eight Miie to connect with the pathway. Borup: So, is that what they were saying? D. D'Alessio: I really don't recall anyone mentioning a bridge going across. Borup: No, but they were saying that the other subdivision is developing on the opposite side, is that how the other -- D. D'Alessio: Cherry Lane The Lakes at Cherry Lane? Borup: No, the other side of the canal. The other side of the Eight Mile. D. D'Alessio: That's Cherry Lane. What was the question? Do they have a walking path on their side? Borup: Yes. D. D'Alessio: I don't know I believe they do. Nary: Mr. Chairman. Borup: On which side of the Eight Mile? D. D'Alessio: On the south side. Borup: Okay Mr. Nary. Nary: Mr. Chairman I guess I recall we just had a meeting with the City Council about two weeks ago. This is one of the ones that they commented on that this was a walking path that went nowhere. That was at least significant enough for them to mention it again as the reason they didn't like it. I think the perception was, and I understand what they're saying and maybe I agree with it. Who's going to use it if it only goes a quarter of a mite and it doesn't go anywhere else? If I'm on the north side of that lateral and I can see there's walking path over there on the other side and I can't get to it, why would I use this? What would I do with it? D. D'Alessio: Because it can, if you look at it a little different light, if I can maybe show you this. There's a possibility that it can. (Inaudible) Meridian Planning and Zoning Csion Meeting June 7, 2001 Page 15 Borup: Do you have an overall of the adjoining subdivisions? You don't have anything that shows the adjoining subdivisions do you? D. D'Alessio: -- come back up to West Campfire and it leads it into here. There are also walking paths through here that can lead to the school. Nary: So, what you're saying is that, that when it turns north along the walking path up on the dirt path to Campfire it connects to some other walking path and this is somewhere along Campfire or is this just a sidewalk that goes on North High Dessert Way? Then it connects to the school that is where? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: Let's be realistic. At this point it doesn't connect to anything. It connects to itself and that's it. It doesn't connect across the lateral. It doesn't connect to some other walking path that's immediately adjacent. No one in their right mind is going to walk down there, walk north, walk all the way through some subdivision and use that. I mean, walking paths - (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: Walking paths. People at least in this subdivision are only going to be able to walk one quarter of a mile from one end to the other next to the - Unidentified: Let me correct you. It's not a quarter of a mile it's 428 feet. A quarter of a mile is more like 1,200 feet or 11. Borup: Are you leading to why even do it? Nary: Right I mean it sounds like - Borup: There's a lot of expense there that's serving any purpose. Nary: The purpose of the green space, usable green space is to have space the people can do something with it not just to have it. Otherwise you could put a little strip of grass on the edge of each block. It's not a usable space. I think that's the problem. I guess, to me it's the 5 percent that you are trying to meet the 5 percent requirement with is the spaces aren't usable. Isn't going to be used by anybody really. D. D'Alessio: I don't think we need to have a long path. Nary: I don't think you do either. I think you need to have something better than that. ~. - h 1: r~~ {'C .j' ~ issi~ Meeting Meridian Planning and Zoning ~-~ ~ ~ June 7, 2009 Page 16 (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: Right you need to talk on the record but, yes, I guess my opinion is that it's =~~ not usable space for anything. ;.-~: 1~~4 ~ Borup: V11ell, the other thing is, we've got vacant property to the west. If that's . '' ~ continued on then you've got access from Black Cat down there and on into the other subdivision. Nary: Maybe I mean if that's what they decide to do with it. I mean, today all we have is this. y~ ~~~ }?~ Borup: On doing pathways, you're always going to stretches that don't go wf~ anywhere. Unless the development starts atone end of the mile and goes -- :rte Nary: I would agree but looking at the plat of the immediately adjacent to the east subdivision, there's no way a path is going to go that way. Center: Can I object a little? ~:.; ~ (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) ,,_ ~, Centers: Did they include that in the open space, the pathway? It doesn't appear to be. I mean is that square-footage in the open space? That's where Commissioner Nary is coming from here I think. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) -~"*r'v? `:,~~£ Centers: Is it? ~ ~, :rt (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: How much of it do we have a breakdown? n,~, '' '" Borup: Yes it's about 10,000 square feet. ,~, ~_ Nary: I mean, I would agree with you Chairman Borup that sometimes you will ~ ' =~ have that but it would appear to me at least based on the parks plan of pathways, they're not intending to make it a pathway. So, they're not going to come, when somebody wants to develop a piece to the west, come to this Commission. They're not coming to the Commission for this one saying please makes this a pathway. They're not going to say it for the next one because there's no "' ~zfi2 (inaudible) a path on the other side of the lateral. They have no interest in it. I _. >. ` ~ ~`~ guess my opinion is that this thing is going to be a patch of weeds in no time ~., because no one is going to want to maintain it because no one walks on it. ""1 ~ ° ° ~ =r; mean, it's a nice idea but without the connectivity of the other ones, it's wasted. ~~ .. , _ .. ., , <~: ~, ,t ~a ~. . . .... +: ,~~,_ ,, ~~ t., _ .. <<~,, ,':: .. ~, ., _ ~~:~. Meridian Planning and Zoning mission Mee#ing June 7, 2~1 Page 17 I'd rather they spend the 5 percent somewhere in the subdivision so that people would actually gain some benefit out of it. That would be better than just a strip of grass that no one is going to use. 1 would rather have the green space they have created bigger. Borup: Have you looked into that at all? I know this is kind of late in the stage for you. Maybe redesigning, but have you looked at trying to do something different along that line? D. D'Alessio: I don't know if that's feasible. It can certainly be looked at. Borup: Is that pathway on a separate o it's not on a separate lot is it? Hawkins-Clark: No it's an easement. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) D. D'Alessio: I think the pathways are on a separate lot. Hawkins-Clark: Oh, I'm sorry yes. Nary: I'rn looking at the wrong site plan then. Which one have I got here? Hawkins-Clark: Look at the bottom left. There's a note outside of the subdivision just south of the Eight Mile lateral that calls (inaudible) (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: There it is. Borup: Any other questions from any of the Commissioners? They're trying to double check and see if there is a path (inaudible). I don't know on that. I'm pretty sure, further to the east there was a path on the north side. (Inaudible). I'm thinking, I don't know where, like over in here somewhere. There was a path along this area right here. Does anybody else remember that? Do you remember anything about that Brad? Like over in this area somewhere? Where does it keep going? Does it (inaudible) and tum over here? Where does this go after it leaves this point? Hawkins-Clark: Wilkin's Ranch. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Hawkins-Clark: That's all part of Wilkins. Borup: This is the Eight Mile lateral here isn't it? ;; ~~,.; ~;. ~: t,~', ar ; :~~, of i~_ ~- p.* y E` ~,. ~~, , °'~;:: ~F-, +~ ~` ~'~ -.,~, j.; ~, °:k1 1''~l?~ s; ! ~1 z...7..: ~F 's ~Jg,,., Meridian Planning and Zoning ~iasion Meeting June 7, 2001 Page 18 Hawkins-Clark: Correct. Borup: Where does it go after it leaves this point? Hawkins-Clark: Straight south. Borup: Oh, straight south. Okay then maybe that was right here I'm thinking - and Imay be wrong. It's been a while but it seems like there was a path on the north side of that somewhere. Nary: Even if there was, you couldn't get through Wilkin's Ranch to connect to it. Borup: Well that was part of Wilkin's Ranch. Right now, you're saying, as far as you know, there's no pathway right here? D. D'Alessio: 1 don't know that there is but it sure does look like it (inaudible). Borup: Did you ever go out there and look? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: Oh, the Wilkin's Ranch stuffs not finished? Okay that would take a phone call to the Engineer. Hawkins-Clark: Let me see that again. No what it looks like, it doesn't look like there's a path to me. It just shows a 25-foot easement, Eight Mile lateral easement. I don't see that there's any indication of a pathway but it does seem to illustrate the Eight Mile easement but not necessarily a pathway. D. D'Alessio: Even though it doesn't connect to something it could still be considered an amenity to the subdivision. Something where people can go by, you know it's by the water. It is only 8.14 acres and there's a limited amount you can do with it. Borup: Do you know how much green space is in that area? D. D'Alessio: No I don't but it is on the plat. In fact, could I see that please? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) D. D'Alessio: The total open space is 20,478 square feet. Borup: It looks like you needed 17 something. You've got about 12 in the other 2. Are there any more than the 2 up there near Ustick? You've got the two lots near Ustick plus the - q s $ -„!~s ..~ .~~, ll~L~ :x ~', M tin " i Z g on ee oning m fiss Meridian Planning and June 7, 2~1 Page 19 I. =3~' Hawkins-Clark: There are just three lots, the pathway and the two entry lots. Those are the only open space lots. ~ , Borup: That s what 1 meant, the two up on Ustick plus the pathway. s .~; ;; D. D'Alessio: There are a total of 20,478 and the required is 17,750. ; ~~ , Borup: And you've got 12 up there on the other two. So, you've got a little over , , '~~~~ 5,000 of the required - I mean you've got eight or more down there. (Inaudible) .,' required area. ~~- ~ ~:< ? D. D'Alessio: 8,651 on the walking path. ,,, ~~~ Borup: I think Commissioner Nary's question was you know if that pathway could be eliminated and you could get the green space some other area. It looks like ~µ realistically probably the only way to do that is to reduce the size of your lots, :~ s, ' ~ which gets you right back (inaudible). ~~ ~ `. ` D. D'Alessio: Even eliminating another lot, I don't see how. ,~ ~; ~'. ~_ Nary: You don't see how, what? ~:~'. Borup: You're only 5,000 feet short, 5,500 or something. F~~ (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) '~ ~'~` Nary: Maybe I (inaudible). kr; (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) ., Nary: You've got to have 17. You've got 12 at the entrance lots, those drainage k ~r ~ lots there. So, you still need 5,000. You have it in that walking path. My opinion, ~, :. ~'~ and 1 maybe the only one that thinks this, but 1 don't think it's usable open space. ~~ I think it's pretty green grass but no one's going to walk on it. I think they would ~* ~ $ ~~' :;: need more viable open space - (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) ~~ r Nary: Somewhere else. °:: ~~`~ Borup: Go ahead. You need to state your name. ~~ P. D'Alessio: My name's Paul D'Alessio. I live at 3604 West Potell Drive in ~.. Meridian. I live behind probably 25,000 square feet of unusable open space in Dakota Ridge. People find a way to walk through the path and get there when ~~. ~, ~a`-p~; ,' ~r`t t k :i.n; ~ ,`~~i. Hi1~ r~i'- ti~+ic i *!d 1 ?;:.~; ~~t~= .,~8 `: 5' r ~~ M1.z~ -.r may; ~~~ aE, ~'_ :~ti._ ~.~,=: ~'' ~r°~'."' ~~ „ -z ~.~i ~'.,~~. =~ ,; ~~~ ?~>>' ~:; ~~Y};. ..~ j~Y ~'J~; . .,~ `~r ~~j~': ~t jy~~'.~.. ~. 1N,1~~. Meridian Planning and Zoning Lissia~ Meeting June 7, 2001 Page 20 they want to just have a picnic or relax some place. That's what open space is for. It doesn't necessarily have to be a path. It doesn't have to go to a school or a street or any place. It's a place where someone can get off the street. Kids can ride tricycles there. It's 400 feet, instead of riding them up and down a busy street. It's useful space. It's something that's not on the street something that's behind the houses and it's on the waterway. Of course, from that, would be the open space for Lakes of Cherry Lane No. 9 and there is some connectivity. We approached Nampa Meridian Irrigation District on a footbridge and they won't allow it. Like he said it's only 8 acres, 8.14 acres. There's only so much we can do with it. We tried to make some changes to make the lots bigger than the minimum and we've made the houses bigger than the minimum. Even though right next door, Wilkin's Ranch, it's straight minimum. We're just trying to make some useful space of this parcel. Nary: Your last name is also D'Alessio? I understand what you're saying I guess I am not a builder. I don't agree with what you're saying in the sense that you're only Limited and it's only a little piece. We've seen other developments that are smaller than this that are more creative on how they try to make that open space usable so it's really something people can use and will use. In my opinion, and it's just my opinion, this is not usable open space. No one is going to a ride tricycle next to a canal. No one is going to ride a tricycle on a gravel path. So, it isn't very usable for anything. What happens when you don't have usable space is you end up with weeds because no one walks on it no one cleans it up. No one cares because they don't use it. The City Council, at least it appears in our staff report thought that the last time when you brought this to them you didn't seem to have addressed that. You've addressed the lot size, which is fine, but you didn't address the open space question. That's what I'm asking. If I don't think it's usable open space, if we don't count it, If it was just only me, then you haven't met the requirement. The requirement is that it be usable. P. D'Alessio: Actually, (inaudible). The City Council did not at all, on the record address open space. As far as the open space was concerned at that pathway there their only concern was the type of fence that we were using. We originally submitted chainlink because that's what all the other subdivisions around there have. They wanted something nicer. That wasn't the reason that they gave for denying it. The reason they gave for denying was clearly, and abundant inventory of 8,000 square-foot lots and there was no other reason. We've tried to address that issue by making the lots larger. We spoke to some of the descending voters in the Council about what would they want. Some of their comments were 12,000 square-foot lots. We had originally done a plat on 12,000 and it doesn't work. You have a bunch of pie shaped lots on 8 acres. We offered a tot lot. They had the same comment you made about the open spaces. Who's going to take care of the tot lot when it becomes a maintenance problem? There's a Homeowners Association that's going to get dues and is going to be responsible for maintenance. I have a landlocked parcel behind me that the Homeowners Association takes care of. It's their responsibility and it's up to the a,~. +,r. { r ,~" f ~ ~ :~ .. ~:'~f, i:t5 ~-i x S ' ~'ki st . ~, _~~, :~~~ .. _~ r._~r ~. r< -; ~a -. Y~~~; ;~: ~,_. try„_ Meridian Planning and Zoning Cission Mewing June 7, 2~1 Page 21 Homeowners to see that it's done. They're not going to want their property devalued by a lot of weeds, especially when they're paying 125, 150 dollars a year to have that maintained. It's going to be maintained by the Homeowners Association. It's not going to be a hazard. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: Commissioner Nary's comment on yours I think (inaudible) a little bit of a catch 22 situation here. Unless, there's one you're thinking of that I'm not remembering. The ones that have had some real creative open space stuff have been smaller lots. It's usually been in the Planned Unit Development site. At least that's what I'm thinking of. (Inaudible) down to 50-foot wide lots. When you do that, you do have a little more flexibility. They're trying to comply with the City Council and get larger lots. I mean that was my thought the first time Isaw ***End Of Side One't''"r Borup: -- type of development. You know, it's got subdivisions on two sides of it and a road on the other. I think they've done a good job with what the (inaudible) some large lots. You know they may have a marketing job to try to sell that price range home as it is. P. D'Atessio: I'd like to say one more thing about the larger lots. There have been many comments made about larger lots in Meridian. How it doesn't lend itself to efficient use of City services. How do you know the 12,000 square-foot lot makes it more difficult, makes the space between distances further? Makes it harder to provide City services? As this lot stands right now, it's a patch of weeds. It's 8 acres of dead grass, which is surrounded by nice new developments that are going to have 150 to 170,000 dollar homes in it. Of course in Cherry Lane they're going to 6e up to $200,000. When the (inaudible) decides to start burning those weeds, the wood fences in everybody's back yards are going to get squished as they did on Cloverdale and Fairview last summer. The landowner there on an infill lot burned the weeds and almost set the houses on fire. I think this adds to the community. I don't think it takes anything away and I think it's a really nice use of those 8 acres. Borup: You had a comment, Commissioner Centers? Centers: Yes thank you. I've just got to say this. I take exception with the City Council and their opinion of too many R-4 lots. Like we said at the outset, where are they getting their statistics? Even if they were right, 1 think it's irrelevant where they're getting their statistics that the 1,400 square-foot minimum house size is not comparable. I think it's irrelevant. If the homes adjacent are 161,800 square feet, so be it. 1,400 square-foot homes sell but if what you plan to do -- that was just my comment. 1 had to get that out because I don't agree with where ry; ± ~ ~^~; Meridian Planning and zoning fission Meeting ;!~ .;~. June 7, 2~1 ~~ Page ?2 ,~, ' they're coming from there. What do you plan to do with that 25 feet before you ~_ give it to the Homeowners, briefly? ~.r r~ <~ ~: D. D'Alessio: The walking path? It will be a paved, asphalt walking path. :- : Centers: Okay you're going to pave it. ~~` ~- D. D'Alessio: Correct. '~ ~~ ` Centers: Black top? -~=~ - D. D'Alessio: Black top. Centers: Great Commissioner Nary, I totally agree with you. If you're going to ~~- put nothing in there or if it just turns into weeds. . " ~~ (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) } .~ Centers: Great I think of my subdivision. Recently, last weekend, I took my - granddaughter down to the park area. You have all these teenagers on their `` roller blades and there wasn't any place for them. This would be great and that ,~ was going to be my suggestion. You black top it or pave it and give that area to r,~~ ~, those teenagers for their roller blades and their skateboards. t~~ D. D'Alessio: Sure. ;~~F;; Centers: They're out of the road. - Borup: Any other comments? Any final comment? W,~~~~ D. D'Alessio: Just a reference to the over abundance of 8,000 square-foot lots. If ~`~~~ I tried to buy one today, I'd be hard pressed to find one right now. F~x~?. ~ ~K'f `.',h Centers: Yes and you ought to know. D. D'Alessio: That's just about it unless you have any further questions. If not, thank you. .~ y} ~~ h£ Borup: Thank you do we have anyone else here to give testimony on this .,~ application? ,~ y, ~. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) - - Borup: Any final comment from staff? .=~~'~ Hawkins-Clark: No. ~.<' - <<x :~ : - F _ ._ .. .. <' r G?fibi . ,. ;.. ~„~. ; ^~ , _ ,~ ::'~ :~ -~a ~~:{ -~ ~ ``x ,. ,r,. ,r° in _' z m; k ~ :.~ ; •. ~fi .,-.n.~ ~~ - - µ „tis .~. ~;1,~_ , . r° ,~.., ~a~., Meridian Planning and Zoning Omission Mewing June 7, 2~1 Page 23 Borup: Commissioners, what would we like to do here? Nary: I move we close the Public Hearing. Centers: I second. Borup: Motion is second to close the Public Hearing. All in favor? Centers: Are we closing both? Nary: Both. Borup: Motion is second. All in favor2 MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT Borup: Okay we have twro applications here. One is for annexation and zoning and the other for Preliminary Plat. Do we have any discussion on the annexation and zoning? Zoning is for R-4. Nary: Mr. Chairman. Borup: Commissioner Nary. Nary: I would agree with what Commissioner Centers said. I think an R-4 zone is compatible. If the City Council doesn't want it I guess they can deny it. I think what they've done on the lot sizes is trying to address those concerns. They are a little bit bigger. I think it's probably a good way to go. It's a little bit better than what was here before. I think the walking path -- I think Commissioner Centers is right. If it's going to be paved, it'll be maintained it can be used. I guess the Gity Councilmen decided they don't think it's usable. Commissioner Genters convinced me. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Centers: Based on that I'll make a motion. Nary: See how easy I am. Centers: My comments about my subdivision are so true. Just last weekend, those kids needed a place. Nary: I hear you. Centers: I'd like to make a motion Mr. Chairman. ~.. _ ~~ t .., ,.,- ;: 3.:: p ,~: .. ,, _ -4t y, ~' r ~" :' ': Meridian Plannin and Zonin G~Rfmi i M ti o . g g ss on e ng June 7, 2001 ~ Page 24 ~~'~ Borup: Commissioner Centers. ,... ::,.~ru! , ~~ _ ~' f Centers: I would like to recommend approval to City Council AZ 01-009, request ` `- for annexation and zoning of 8.15 acres from rural to R-4 for proposed Staten ,- ,:~ Park Subdivision by D'Alessio Building Development and if I messed that up excuse me southeast corner of Black Cat Road and West Ustick Road. .~ Nary: Second. ,, ~~' Borup: Motion is second. Any discussion? -::r; Centers: We should include all staff comments and the fact that the applicant =:'_:- knows that they must enter into a Development Agreement. Correct? Hawkins-Clark: Commissioner Centers would you also amend that to specify the ' ,r- 11 » June 4~' staff comments rather than -- just so we're clear. We've had these .~~ : ~~ problems before. {: ;rs~ `~ ~ Centers: Correct. `~ ` ' Hawkins-Clark: Thank you. ~~ . k' Borup: Any other discussion? All in favor? '•'iat: ~~ MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT ~ ~, Borup: Item 10. i~ Centers: I guess it goes hand and hand. Mr. Chairman. ~~ Borup: Yes I'm sorry, I was discussing with the City Clerk. Were you ready to Y make a motion Commissioner Centers? ~ ;:~:' , ~ "~';: Centers: Yes I would like to make a motion that we send to the City Council and recommend approval for PP 01-012, request for Preliminary Plat of 23 building lots and 5 other lots on 8.15 acres in a proposed R-4 zone for proposed Staten Park Subdivision by D'Alessio Building Development, southeast corner of North ' ~ Black Cat Road and West Ustick Road including staff comments of June 4~'. ~' 1 ~~ " =1~j i Nary: Second. ~° fir, ~~ ~ Borup: Motion second all in favor? { ~". ,p _:; MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT ~`~l+Ki ~¢~. J~ ~}t.~.'yh - X .. . _ , ... .,;, ~ - c_ , ~ _ .h:.. l ., ~~ .. '. <x= ~~' ,~ „~: _.Y~ y*.: e ~ y. 's.. i' M~ ,. {: :~~~ ;, w: ~~`w f _:~ :~~ ~~"~ ,. ,.,r ... 4 r ~a; ?•9F; '`:,L `: ~:; 4~}~l~ - :z. /~d ~r ~3'~q W =~; ..5. 4',2~i ,p 4i ~~_ €a ~:~..~ ~- ~~~; Meridian Planning and Zoning Coion Meeting June 7, 2001 Page 25 Item 11. Public Bearing: CUP 01-018 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a continuation of a 3-year Conditional Use Permit granted in January of 1997 for modular buildings in an L-0 zone for Meridian Assembly of God by Meridian Assembly of God - 1830 ' a North Linder Road: Borup: ttem No. 11 is a Public Hearing on a Conditional Use Permit 01-018. Request for a continuation of a 3-year Conditional Use Permit for modular buildings in an L-O zone for the Meridian Assembly of God. I'd like to open this Public Hearing and start with staff report. Hawkins-Clark: Thank you Chairman Borup. Here is an aerial photo to give you a sense. The very bottom left corner is the subject site where the church is here. Crosshatch portion here. It is zoned to limited office. On the east side of Linder Road right here are some site photos of the site as it currently exists. The back of the modular buildings there. These are taken from Linder Road the right one is taken internal there. So, you can see there is existing sidewalk landscaping, trees on the site as it currently stands. Here's a site plan showing the existing facilities. There are comments from staff dated June 4"'. We ask that you incorporate those. Just in summary, the reason that you're seeing this is the Conditional Use Permit that the church had received about 4 years ago did expire approximately 15 months ago. This is an attempt to basically renew that and get the site back into compliance. Most of the comments are standard and staff is supporting essentially the renewal of this Condifional Use Permit for modular buildings. Thanks. Borup: Thank you any other quesfions for staff? Nary: Yes, Mr. Chairman. You're supporting the indefinite permit? Borup: That's what they are requesting. Hawkins-Clark: Yes that's correct, indefinite time period. That's for an enforcement reason. Borup: Okay, is the applicant here? Wilson: Yes. Borup: Would you like to come fonn~ard? Did you have a chance to read the staff comments? Wilson: Yes I have. Borup: Please start with your name I'm sorry. ~.' ~:Y ~ r~ 'w .~- f . F: r~: ~~~ ;, ~:, -~ r a _ _ . _..>r L ~R: ~~.s ~:t:: ~. ,~ ~ ~; ~, =.y F ';i ,, =.4 ~e`-~' ;~r .~~ CY ~,9v ~_ _ ~z~- ~_ ;:~~~T' .-r.~;; ~ s ~~ Meridian Planning and Zoning mission Meeting June 7, 2~1 Page 26 Wilson: Nate Wilson. Borup: Address? Wilson: My address is 1799 South Blacksmith in Meridian. Borup: Any comments on the staff report? Wilson: The only thing that I saw I believe was the sanitary service had some comments there. No waste enclosure does that say, plans identified? There is a waste enclosure on the site. Borup: It's just not on the plat? Wilson: Welt, I don't know which (inaudible). This picture here, that's an old one. That's pretty old there this is the waste enclosure right here. Borup: It's just not labeled. Wilson: But it does exist. (Inaudible). Borup: So, it looks like the waste enclosure is a colored cinder block, colored block walls with a solid gate. Wilson: Other than that, you know there is some, two ways of looking at that. When we first became aware of this, the thought was to get another Conditional Use Permit, another 3 years. After we got to looking into it, it became aware that we could apply for unconditional or how is it worded there? Indefinite, undetermined? Indefinitely rather than being tied to a specific time frame. That is obviously our desire. Our desire would be to have this for an indefinite period of time as opposed to limiting it to 1 year or 3 years. Borup: It's been four years ago and I may not remember it. My memory is that one of the reasons for is that you were planning on leaving it temporary and building permanent buildings there, was the testimony that I remembered at the time. I assume that, that's maybe changed? Wilson: I wasn't in the position that I am in now, four years ago. It could have been that the talk at the time was a new building was going to be built and that these would just be temporary. I said this is an okl picture. Anew building has been built to the east there, where that existing parking lot is. That area is a new building. It was built strictly as a new sanctuary, restrooms, and nursery. So, there were no additional classrooms put in that. Those two portables are used quite heavily. Centers: They're not on foundations or anything? ~~; r-~ri~ . '~ T~'> ~`4ti .~ ~~ 1 ~ i'~~ ~ ission Meeting Meridian Planning and Zoning C June 7, 2001 Page 27 ~' ~' Wilson: They are not on foundations. My understanding at the time they were installed, they did excavate out the three or four foot that's required so that in the ~~,, ~` future should they become permanent rather than having to remove them and ~~- put the foundation in. They could be jacked up, a foundation put in and ease that { ~ ~~~ - process a tittle bit. So, there s a three or four-foot clearance underneath. f.z Centers: Has that got a pressure treated wall all around it now, or something? Wilson: Yes it does. -~; ~.,~. 'a - ~ Centers: Because it's landscaped right up to it I would think probably the other .. , ;~~ ~~: reason at the time for a Conditional Use Permit. 1 don't know that anyone knew , - exactly what the completed buildings were going to look like and how the landscaping was going to turn out and everything. I mean it's landscaped on a - pretty permanent looking situation now. -f~ Wilson: Yes sidewalks, trees, and grass. He had a nice picture there, a shot or ~` ~ iwo back. There you go. . 2 ~- ~`"~ Centers: What are the long-term plans or have you looked into that? -,:: Wilson: I would say that the long-term plans for those, again I wasn't in this capacity when they were constructed but I know they were constructed -- they're not a shabby construction there. They are built well. I can see them being used ,~~j in their permanent capacity for 10 to 15 years. The church doesn't at this time '"'fY does not have any plans to do anything different with that area. The long-term V ~~ ~ plans for the new building would be -- the next phase would be for an addition, , ~~' ~ '~~' again continuing to the east of that new building. That would be a classroom complex. ~~ ~ (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) ~~:, ,;~-~nE , Wilson: I'm sorry? a ~~,;~. h ~ ~ Centers: Do they back up to the parking lot, the church parking lot? . ~"'~" Wilson: No. Centers: The picture on the right is - Wilson: This is the Lutheran's property back behind us to the south. ;, ~~~ Borup: The front of the buildings do face the parking lot. Isn't that correct? ~, ,..w, ~:,~ Wilson: Actually, they -can you go to that next shot? ~~, ' s r'~~t ~:., {~ ~~~ -- - h. ,. , , . ;~: a ~, ~.. ~.. ; , . :.:. :. ~.. 3 -. ~ ~ - ~~i< ~ - ~~ r. ~ - ±;ii? Y~ .': i 5:- ~fi3~~i ., r Meridian Planning and Zoning ~Rfmission Me~ang June 7, 2t~1 Page 28 Borup: That bottom shot is from the parking lot. That's the parking lot right there. Wilson: This is Linder Road out here. This is just an entrance (inaudible). There is (inaudible) parking spaces right here but the main parking area is out here on the east down beyond the buildings. Borup: I guess what that pavement there Commissioner Centers was an entrance between this and the other main buildings. That shows it right there. ,:,, ~~. ~~~~` ~' >r~. ~', ~~~u :` t: ~. ~, . -r~ z.~,. ~~ ,~ ~: ,~. ...~~; Wilson: Yes this is just the entrance in off of Linder. Again there are four or five parking spaces right in here. (Inaudible). Borup: Okay any other questions from the Commissioners? Nary: Mr. Chairman. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: t guess maybe this one's for Brad initially. There's a statement here in your staff report that says modular temporary buildings are not encouraged. I guess my concern would be that if we were to approve this for this indefinite, forever period of time, what standard, if any, would we have for any other business that wants to put temporary buildings forever and ever next to it? Whether it's Maverick or it's Jackson's, Texaco, any of them? What standard are they going to have if we never have any ending date? We just let everybody have them forever? How do we prevent a glut of these types of things? Hawkins-Clark: Commissioner Nary. I guess the answer is that they all require a Conditional Use Permit. The only temporary trailers you can have under the Zoning Ordinance are construction trailers that ere moved in strictly for the period of construction. Otherwise all other trailers have to have a Condition Use. This body will always have the authority to determine when and where and how long they go. Typically we do see occasionally the offices that use them for extra space. Schools of course use them. Part of it I think is services. I don't know, maybe Nate does it there. Are there water and sewer to these modular buildings? ~Ison: Yes each of the two buildings both have two restrooms. Hawkins-Clark: That is unusual for temporary modular buildings. Centers: Wouldn't there be a concern though? I mean we just have a bank down here US Bank had a temporary building that they used for a long period of time. I guess what I'm afraid of is the encouragement to establish your building ~.- ~: ..::., f~ ~R ~~ y' _`~ rL~ • k _ Meridian Planning and Zoning Coi11'Riissia~ Meetirx~ ~' `' June 7, 2~1 Page 29 ` using a temporary building. Then leave it there long enough that you say well, ''=,~ we put grass around it and put trees on it so now it's not really an eye sore anymore. Is there a reason that we don't want to have modular buildings or not? It seems to me that if we allow this, with this sort of open-ended we're really ~~~` saying there is no standard like this. You can build temporary buildings and ;~ 3) make them into permanent buildings. I guess it doesn't seem like a whole lot of ~ .a~~ structure as to why don't we allow it to begin with without having limitation if we're , going to just eventually just allow them to have (inaudible)? Hawkins-Clark: I guess I do agree with you. I think it's a good point. I think = aesthetics is certainly probably you know and storm I'm not a builder I don't know in terms of the -- they do have to be manufactured to uniform building code. I ~"~ don't think it's an issue of safety, in terms of public safety. I think it probably is ,~,, mainly an aesthetic argument. Certainly you have the privilege to make a ~ ~'~ '' statement to that affect. To say we don't want modular buildings. Centers: Excuse me technically, they've been in violation for a year and now we're going to reward them with an indefinite time period. `~~ ~ : Borup: 1 can say those three years went really fast because I can remember this ~ y ~`~ application. ~~~~ ~ ~''` ~ (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) ` ~" `' Centers: And, I'm not trying to pick on this applicant I'm just concerned that by granting these extensions or granting it to be an indefinite, there's no intention. If we revoke this permit, you're going to have to build a building there because 7~~~~ - - you'd tike to use that space for whatever you're using it for now. Would that be y`'~t rights ~~- ~ ~ `~ '~ 1Nilson: I don't know that -- if these were revoked and we were forced to remove ,~t, them, we would not be in a position to replace them. We would have to -- Centers: Your next phase may incorporate whatever those uses that the 7 buildings are for now or something else. Would that be what you'd have to do? . ~Ison: Again, that next phase is years down the road. ~4 Centers: I'm not a builder, but I think personally I think the Building Department "" ` may allow you to jack them up and put a foundation under them? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) .a ~ .. ~Ison: That was the conversation that Thad - r~ ~-.5=~i Centers: Meridian doesn't have that in R-4 zoning. °A,~_ .: - - - ,~ - 'E ~. , ~ t ` 1. ... - - _ . ~ ~ - - ~ ~ (~ dry;; ;.., _.. .... - ~, .. - r V ~ rt - _ Y~*i ,,, +' E'+'; ~4m91: ~,. .. ~I F• .. Meridian Plartnirtg and Zoning C~ission AAeeting June 7, 2001 Page 30 Borup: Commissioner Shreeve. Shreeve: What are the buildings used for again? Wilson: They're classrooms. They have Sunday school classrooms in there for Sunday mornings and then Wednesdays we have activities for kids there. Currently, we've got an AA group from the community that meets in there on Saturday nights. to fact, there are two groups like that that use those buildings. Open them up for different organizations in the community to use. Shreeve: One of my comments would be, I don't think the buildings are offensive. They're landscaped very nice and maintained very nice. They're certainly different than a permanent structure would be architecturally. I'm thinking along the same line as the comments from Commissioner Nary. When this was presented to us, it was presented as three years or so then a permanent building was going in. That's the way the original application was. That's what was presented to this Commission and I assume to the City Council. If it was not able to foresee that far ahead then it probably should have been stated different in the initial application. I don't know what a reasonable time is. I think having to come back every three years is probably a nuisance. I would think that something could be done better than athree-year renewal. I guess Pve got some concern on it being perpetual. Likewise it can also be called in on 30-day notice. Is that the standard thing, Brad for Conditional Use? Hawkins-Clark: Right which is not included in the staff report. Shreeve: That's what I was looking for. Hawkins-Clark: You certainly have the right to add that and I would encourage you -- Shreeve: Either that or get some type of time frame in there. Nary: That's what I was thinking Mr. Chairman. I mean certainly we have the right to reconsider granting that at any time based on that kind of notice. Like I said, Pm not rea!!y bothered by this one. It looks like iYs very nice and it looks like it's maintained and I don't if anybody's here to speak against it. I'm more concerned that we have a reason to think that we don't want temporary buildings all over town. Then if we grant it to you, then we have a hard time telling 7- Eleven we just don't like it there. We just don't like those kind of things. They can always make them took nice. That doesn't mean we necessarily want them ail over the place. I guess that's what I'm a little tom about. If you had come three years ago, and I know it wasn't you particularly sir but if the church had come three years ago and said, we'd like to have this forever and ever 1 don't know, the Commission may have granted or not. They would have considered it s~~ ~ :~' ~~;~ ~`l ~~~x~ ~~ ~,',; ~ ':3"! ''.4 Ci }f,5 1, kr ~~ ~ ~5'S• rrL~~ __1N,.' Meridian Planning and Zoningmission Meeting S June 7, 20D1 Page 31 differently than knowing that the intention was that it was temporary. We're going to build another building in three years and it's just temporary. Because that's wha# we generally hear is that it's just a short period of time that's what we anticipate in approving that. If it's forever, which is what we're asked to do today, then I have a little harder time with because like I said 1 think there's a reason that we have those kind of regulations or that kind of desire from a planning perspective of not having these type of structures all over the place. Wilson: Are there regulations that forbid these units? Hawkins-Clark: ido. Wilson: You just say temporary buildings are not encouraged? Borup: Temporary buildings are not even allowed. That's why a Conditional Use Permit was applied for rather #han a Building Permit. I assume a Building Permit was also, but in addition to the Building Permit, a Conditional Use Permit. Is there some time frame tha# will work in that you'd be comfortable with? Ten years or something like that? 1 don't know which way the Commission is going or thinking but, something along that line? Wilson: I could be comfortable with that. ::, a a t~.: -;.~: ~; ~...`... Pr~ L.. , ~~:' Borup: Is that a time frame that you think you would have some plans more concrete maybe. Wilson: Again, there are existing plans for that future expansion. Borup: No future plans for this area though? ~. Wilson: When that new phase will be built on the east side of the new building, the classroom unit that I spoke of, that would eliminate the need for the portable classrooms. I would imagine that they would be removed and just used as grass ~ area. Borup: Maybe that's what I'm remembering them talking about 1 don't remember specifics but that might have been (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Wilson: Again, depending on how long we were able to keep them. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: Any other questions for Mr. Wilson? Meridian Planning and Zoning mission Nle~ing June 7, 2~1 Page 32 Nary: No, thanks. Wilson: Thank you sir. Borup: Do we have anyone else here to testify on this application? Thank you, Commissioners? Centers: Mr. Chairman. Borup: Commissioner Centers. Centers: t think the key words were they're not allowed. I couldn't bring myself to give this an indefinite time period when they're not allowed now. I guess I'd Pike to maybe split the difference. They've been in violation for a year. Give them two more plus three. That's 5 years, something like that and have them come back. In that time frame, they can check on jacking them up and putting a foundation under them. Check with the City of Meridian Building Department and check the expense to do that so that at the end of five years -and just forget about us. You've got your Building Permit and it's passed. That's the way I feel. Shreeve: Mr. Chairman. Borup: Yes, Commissioner Shreeve. Shreeve: !feel the same way. 1 think 10 years is too long. Indefinite is not at all. Certainly it's a good use at this point and time. Then give them basically five years to regroup, get that other phase put together, get the financing, whatever it takes then that way we're not stuck with something permanent. (Inaudible) on something permanent I also understand staffs comment on not wanting to worry about this every few years. Nary: Mr. Chairman. Borup: Yes_ Nary: Is there a need, because I heard Brad say this before that we either make it clear in the motion or make it clear in the language, or is that Ordinance clear enough that also any Conditional Use Permit? 1 think the Ordinance is clear enough, but any Conditional Use Permit could be reviewed or revoked with 30 days notice. 1 guess I'm with what Commissioner Centers and Shreeve said. 1 think the applicant here, no different than any other people asking for these types of uses, needs to know there is some finality here unless they want to come back and probably some of us will all be sitting here in 5 years. The incentive is to get these out and get real buildings on there or to make these more of a permanent structure. i guess without having an ending date at sunset of some sort, there's no incentive to ever do that. I think we should have some (inaudible) here. That Merman Planning and Zoning C~ission Meeting • June 7, 2009 Page 33 would be what we would like to have, is these not necessarily be temporary structures because we're not really going to encourage that for any of them around town anywhere. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: Okay I guess we didn't - no we didn't close the Public Hearing. Nary: I move we close the Public Hearing. Centers: I second. Borup: Motion second to close the Public Hearing. All in favor? MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT Borup: Does someone want to make a motion then (inaudible)? Shreeve: I will Mr. Chairman. I'll make a motion that we approve CUP 01-018 the request for Conditional Use Permit for continuation of a 5 year Conditional Use Permit granted today I guess for modular buildings in an L-O zone for Meridian Assembly of God by Meridian Assembly of God 1830 North Linder Road. Centers: Commissioner Shreeve would you be (inaudible) adding the factor just reiterating the fact that there is a 30-day revocation clause on a CUP? Shreeve: So stated. Of course, also any other applicable staff comments and requirements in their June ~~' memorandum. Centers: 1 would second that. Borup: Motion is second. Any discussion? Seeing none; all in favor? MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT item 12, Public Hearing: CUP 01-019 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for afree-standing bank building with adrive-thru window and ATM machines in an I-L zone for Meridian Crossroads Shopping Center by Dakota Company, Inc. -south of East Fairview Avenue and east of North Eagle Road: Borup: item No. 12. Public Hearing CUP 01-019, request for another Conditional Use Permit for afree-standing bank building, a drive thru window and ATM machines in an i-L zone in Meridian Crossroads Shopping Center by Meridian Planning and Zoning C~ission Meeting June 7, 2~1 Page 34 Dakota Company Incorporated. I'd like to open this Public Hearing and start with the staff report Mr. Brad Hawkins-Clark. Hawkins-Clark: Thank you Chairman Borup. Again, here is an aerial photo. It's somewhat dated. It does not show much of the new construction and I'm sure you're all familiar with this site. As shown on this screen, they're proposing a Red Cross Building here on, I - no 1 think it is a bank. There are, f believe, three pads, I could be corrected there by the applicant that are yet to be leased from Dakota Company in this project out on Fairview Avenue and this is one of those. The original Conditional Use Permit that was approved a few years ago requires that drive thru facilities come back before the City as a Conditional Use Permit. That is the reason why they are here. The pad is shown here. There is a drive entrance off of Fairview. It's the one immediately west of Records which has the signal here. The Texas Roadhouse Restaurant is here on this comer. This would be the next pad to the west. Our comments of June 4~', I believe you have, we ask that those be incorporated into any motion. I don't think there was any unusual conditions or any conditions that the applicant has disagreed with staff on so I'll just leave it at that. Borup: Okay would the applicant like to come forward and make any statements? Paulson: Hello I'm John Paulson with Dakota Development Company, 380 East Park Center Boulevard Suite 100 Boise, Idaho. Borup: Thank you. Mr. Paulson, I guess you notir~d staff recommends approval of this application? Paulson: Yes. Borup: Any comments on any of their conditions that you have any concern or question on? Paulson: dlVe totally agree with the conditions and we totally concur with the recommendation to approve. Borup: Okay thank you. Do we have anyone else here to testify on this application? I thought maybe we might have had the person from the public for that. It's on the other one 1 guess Commissioners? They did a good job of siting it. The drive-thru is facing Fairview. Yes, far away from any possible neighbors. Nary: There appears to be adequate traffic flow for that area as it is. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Shreeve: You can do your banking while you have breakfast too at IHOP so. Meridian Planning and Zoning mission Meeting • June 7, 2~1 Page 35 (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: I guess I move to close the Public Hearing. Borup: Okay motion to close the Public Hearing. We don't have a second. Shreeve: Second. Borup: Motion is second to close the Public Hearing. All in favor? MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT Borup: Okay. Nary: Mr. Chairman. Borup: Commissioner Nary. Nary: I would recommend approval of CUP 01-019 a request for a Conditional Use Permit for afree-standing bank building with adrive-thru window and ATM machine in an I-L zone for the Meridian Crossroads Shopping Center by Dakota Company south of East Fairview Avenue and east of North Eagle Road, including all staffs comments of June 4~'. I don't think there's any (inaudible). Centers: I second. Borup: Motion is second. All in favor? MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT Item 13. Public Hearing: PFP 01-001 Request for Preliminary/Final Plat approval of 4 building lots on 4.94 acres in an I-L zone for Seven Gates Industrial Subdivision by Dakota Company -southwest comer of Commercial and Machine Avenue, east of North Nola Road: Borup: Item No. 13. Public Hearing PFP-01-001, request for Preliminary and Final Plat approval of 4 building lots I-L zone, Seven Gates Industrial Subdivision for Dakota Company. I would like to open this hearing and start with the staff report, Mr. Hawkins-Clark. Hawkins-Clark: Thank you Chairman Borup. This is a re-subdivision of an existing platted industrial subdivision. The crosshatched lots are shown here on the south side of East Commercial Street. Again, Nola Road here is adjacent to the railroad tracks. There are these three existing lots at the extreme east • Meridian Planning and Zoning mission Meeting June 7, 2~1 Page 36 (inaudible) of Commercial. The dashed lines represented here show the current lot lines. The crosshatched buildings are shown there. As you can see they are proposing to maintain the existing three buildings here on the east end of this and create a 4~' lot here on the west end of this. Here are some photos of the site. As you noticed in the staff report dated June 4~", there are some existing issues with code enforcement in terms of parking problems, storage problems that are not fenced. This is the unpaved existing lot that they are proposing to place a new building on in the future. That 4~' lot here, they do currently have this existing temporary office building. speaking of temporary buildings that is currently in use, all of those issues were addressed I think by Dave McKinnon in his staff report. The main issue is that they be resolved. That the parking on Commercial (inaudible) the parking lot. I guess we don't have a slide of the parking, I think your packets have a site plan that they submitted that showed parking. There is a parking lot dedicated here on the south end of this lot I believe that they can take some of the automobiles mat are parking on Commercial here and pot back here. The applicant can talk about that more. Borup: Is that area paved presently, on the side? Hawkins-Clark: I believe it is, yes. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Hawkins-Clark: (Inaudible) the conditions in the staff report addressed that all parking must be retained on site and that will be prior to a signature on the final plat. VVe don't see these too often but this is a Preliminary Final together. ~o, if you recommend approval of this, you are recommending approval of the Preliminary Plat and the Final Plat together to City Council. I think the only other item to point out there will be a need for getting approval from this last new property owner as far as the drainage. All the drainage for these is proposed to be drained I believe here to the south end of this new lot. There must be a drainage operations and Maintenance Agreement between all the owners to take care of that. That was addressed in item No. 7 on Page 3. I think that's it. Borup: Okay thank you. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Durkin: My name is Larry Durkin. My address is 3~0 Bast Park Center Boulevard Boise. I'm with Dakota Company. I'm here tonight on behalf of the owners of this plat. This is - Borup: You were not representing the owners the first time. Isn't that correct? Durkin: That's correct. Meridian Planning and Zoning mission Heeling June 7, 2001 Page 37 Borup: Do you have any idea why they didn't go ahead and just have the plat recorded a year ago? It looks like it would have saved them a lot of troubles. Durkin: I think that one of the main problems was they couldn't, while they got the plat approval, they couldn't accomplish what they were trying to accomplish with the Ordinances that were in place at that time. Borup: On the landscaping? Durkin: On the landscaping and certain setbacks. There have been some clarifications to the Ordinance that now this application is in full compliance with those setbacks. I'll be honest with you on the record tonight I think there was a personality conflict with one of the applicants. They stepped back and said what do you recommend? They followed all of our recommendations and we're here for them tonight. Borup: See on this one too, staff also recommended approval. Durkin: Yes. Borup: But, there are a few in the site-specific comments that would probably be (inaudible). Durkin: Only two things in the site-specific comments that I'm going to ask for a minor modification because 1've got like a chicken situation. I also want to just talk on thc~ record #or the applicant with their permission specifically on this issue different comments at the last Public Hearing and at the Council about off-street parking. What we're proposing to do will solve the on street parking problems caused by these three existing tenants. We would also encourage whoever the entity is that's responsible for signing asire--et for parking, we would waive any rights to complain about that or object to that. This is a situation where there are three e~dsting buildings. It was a rather unusual 4~ansaction where the City of Boise actually bought this property, built these buildings and did an exchange with the owners for some airport property. Borup: This properrty here, you're referring to the City of B®ise owned it at ore time? ®urkin: Well, they bought it to facilitate an exchange for sorne property out along the airport. Borup: Three-way exchange? Durkin: Yes obviously the buildings were built over the property lines and s®me people didn't check. There wasn't any financing. 1 don't know how it got to where it is today. Our desire is to clean up some property lines and some IVferidian Planning and Zoning ~rnission Heating June 7, X001 Page 3i~ compliance issues and also the them-dawn and the moving company are located in this project. They've outgrown the facilities and the new lot which will be owned by the same group, will accommodate their needs and will get the temporary office out of there. 1lVe'll get the outside storage out of there and put that in a new building. ~orup: Then we're not looking at new tenant here? Durkin: We don't have a new tenant i3orup: l mean other than, it's the same tenants in one of those buildings will 6e expanding so employee parking would not increase appreciably? Durkin: lyo it would not increase appreciably_ The staff did an analysis on that_ 1nle've been out to the site with Steve Siddoway, walking through. Fle's talked to the tenants and looked specifically at what they have outside and what their needs are. Fle has talked to them. I do have a minor problem and that a condition, site-specific conditions ~ and 5_ I can't build this building and solve this problem until I get the plat signed and until I can get a building Permit, until I can get moving. So l'm asking you to allow a minor modification to those t~vo conditions unless the developer can demonstrate that the new buildings and the development will accommodate a!l of the on site storage and parking for the rest of the plat within six months. That gives me time to get the plat recorded, get the E~uilding Permit, build the building and then move the stuff. ~thorv~ise I'll have to move it somewhere far away and get the plat recorded then move it back. Then build the building and then move it into the 6uildings_ That's the intention of the family that owns this, to build a building on the site to put and clean up and clear up all of the site issues. Tm do all that before l get the plat signed, it's a burden. ®n the other hand if that is not something that you can bring yourself to do, I c~bviodasle~ will agree with these ronditic~ns_ !fie aa~ree with all the other conditions. Sc, the point, I'd like to make is we waive any objection to any off street ~arkin~ si~na~e. I'm sorry street si~na~e rplat~n~q to oarkin~, any enforcement of that. ~Ne will come into full compliance ~°~ith al! the code issues. ~e would like tc clean up the area and get it cleaned up as soon as possible. Sorup: So, you're saying that the concern is on Items ~I and ~+? C~e~rkin: dell, Items ~ and ~ specifically say we have to solve these problems pr icr t® the signing ®f ~e plat. - - - - Sorup: you can't solve them ~sntil you get the building built with the new parking spaces and more storage space? Durkin: l~i~ht reneRr, l'~'~ get the m~vinn ccmpan~ - is ba.~rsting at the seams in one building. They're stacked on top cf each other. I can solve it but it would require taking everything, moving it down the street to another vacant lot, walk in, Meridian Planning and Zoning mission Meeting JWIt3 %~ 6W 1 Pie 39 ~~~ ~~a~ =i~~~~s~r~ rsra f~~ ~l~~~ _lh~ae~~r ~~e~ ~ir_f~ar~ €~ayir~a~ ~e~^~~~F~iei~'~ gr:ng si-i~r~ i could grove it ail back - ~``errd tat fide Tv~o~.~. ~r~rkin: - ~i~ r~tnnths after this fiat is recorded, we'll clear all of that. The location is irl this ne~5 building. ~o if you can find a •~~ay and a motion, if you were inclined to a~rprove this to give me, to get rid of the chicken egg prn~-lem that would be ~°erg~ heipf@ai. if yoaa can't, ~~e ~~ili make arrangements to mo•~e things down the street. ~orr~~: l count abrrr.~t ?~ ~arkin~ spaces newly created. ~c~es that sc~r~nd abr?ut right? ~ - - - C3ur~Cin: i have the exact nur~iber here. That's c®rreet. Rlary: l~lr. ~'hairman. ~orup: Commissioner S'2ary. ~lar~: one of the ~ictr~res Free saw ~~ there. l+/lr. ~sarkin, with the -- ~shat's now that ~~' lot, that empty lot. It hod a bunch of trailers on it and come cars. l guess i'rn nit clear. Hew is breildin~? a bl~ildin~ o¢? it ~oin~ to alie~iate ~onno of the parking of the vehicles that are on there no~v? 'here aro they going to go? l~r~rl~in: ~Jka~ l'm ~oin~ to ~sal>~ over. Thar~k~ John. I~i~ht nc~vu, we have Chem- Lawn that occupies this building. l'~er'sdian's boon good to them and it's boon a terrifrc facilit~+ fc;r them. There is a crass ~asernent ~~reernent fc~r this overall parcel. Hov~sever, this building is occupied by a moving company and ~Jleridian's ~~~4i ~r~~A@ nor tliei'ri. ~~~ tlie~ li~~e ~ l6lg ~'0 t~@~~r tr@~~k~ e~fi4~ @lilrtl~~ ~~41~~H~ oi~t hero, pallets, loading boxes and relating to their business which doesn't thou pr~rvide f~~r true Cheri-~aw-rt people tgB pair Isere. Trig ~fie€gi-t_ar'r p~«ple are parking out on the street more often than ~oe're comfortable with. !~'Ve don't have the right, the H~v~i•,ers €lo neat have the ri~lit irr their lease be~r~`e it's a ~ic~~ied lease that they purchased to limit that ability from them. ,As far as the oor~ners are H;=~~4=4~'l~Ha ~iit:~ ~li~lri-~~~/Fi'~ c:Q~t~c=H~rri~E~, f~~~'r~ ~EBt i~r ~i~-l~E9H~r~l. C'<li~~"rB-~~~3~i has agreed to pork on site if use con make room for them. l can't make room for tlie~rr until l ~jr~rlc~ a view l~r~rldirr=~, whia~ir tl~reze ~eo~D1e will oc~=r-~~v anH~ the va~o majority of everything that's stored outside here will go into that ne~v building, rE~E-~-9~r°_~ ~~~ ~~~l~.iii~ !di E.h4~ ~@~~ BQ~~ ~er~rfi-~i~r~. mss, $13~E'~ 4~~1~ ~! ~h~ ~F~~~l~Iri-~~' that's addressed in the staff report. Mary: ~o, the moving company's going to have tiro buildings? ®~rki~=r: "hat's correct. Meridian Planning and Zoning mission Meeting June 7, 2001 Page 40 Nary: Do you have a signed lease? Durkin: I don't know, but I'm almost positive that they do. I can tell you, Steve Siddoway has been out and met with them. I can't say for certain but I am fairly certain that there's a signed agreement. Frankly, it's embarrassing there's a bunch of junk on this lot. Some of it belongs to the moving company and some of it belongs to other industrial people in the area because it's just a vacant lot. A couple of the trailers that are parked here are extra trailers that the moving company owns and they have stuff stored in them, which is, I don't believe against the rules in Meridian for an industrial lot. It's not something that the family is happy with. By building a new building, those trailers all go away, what's in those trailers goes in the building. What's out around this building goes into this building. There are no additional new employees as a result of this. Now, our parking for Chem-Lawn and this rent me office building goes away because their office will be here. Those employees will be moving down. It's just a great improvement for the two major people that are in the facility. Nary: Mr. Chairman what's in the second building there then? Building number two, or lot number two there? Durkin: There are a variety of small tenants that are in there. Nary: It would seem to me that if you build another building so that moving company will now be in two buildings, doesn't that give them the ability to expand their business somewhat so they'll have more employees? I can't imagine they're building another building to tread water and just maintain the same size company that they have. Durkin: I'm trying to keep it clean here. There's a saying about 10 pounds in a 5-pound bag. There's more stuff in these three buildings than these three buildings can accommodate. The Forsythe family owns all of this land. In an effort to accommodate their existing tenants with their existing needs, their desire is to build a new building on the site they can't now, build a building here because there's an Ordinance in Meridian that they can't have two buildings on the same lot. In addition, there's a lot line running down this building. This application is 100 percent clean up of a lot of different problems that were purchased on purpose by the family without doing their research. Nary: Mr. Chairman. Borup: Commissioner - Nary: I would agree with what you're saying Mr. Durkin. Certainly, cleaning up the lot lines makes total sense to me and even creating the 4~' lot makes sense, That seems fine. I guess, and I know you didn't create this problem, but it would appear to me by what the City is asking for is some enforcement mechanism. ~;~;:; , ;:;:J:' ~_ ~; {dr ~_:} t ~~:~~~. :~~_ .< .<;S• f:__ :~~ .. .~S}.4ie; ~~7 _ ~ . ,:~ ~t '~F: >r ~z~ ~~~ h r ~; ,, y'': ;'~~; ^f ~_ t;; _,ti, m ~~s :, r;;~; ~. r ~}~x i sl __~.: ~; r:~,; e Meridian Planning and Zoningmission Meeting June 7, 2001 Page 41 What's happened is they granted a Conditional Use Permit and a Preliminary Plat that never got recorded. I guess a Preliminary Plat that never got recorded. Otherwise, if they had we wouldn't be here and there's a whole big mess over there that nobody has any real enforcement mechanism to get cleaned up. So, I think that's what the City's looking for, is some enforcement mechanism to be able to make sure we don't just keep perpetuating this problem that I know you didn't create. Durkin: I have a suggestion that we've done on other plats. You know, when we've done plats with the City of Meridian. The Wal-Mart parcel at the beginning one of the requirements was to build the wall and do all of these improvements. Our desire was to get going and do it all at once. So, we bonded for it. So, there's a bonding mechanism. We could make it incredibly painful that's one suggestion. 110 percent of the value of the land and all of the improvements in a letter of credit from Farmer's and Merchant's Bank to the City. They have every intention of doing it. Their offices are here, they live here and we can make a financial penalty. I don't know legally what the City of Meridian or with the County or whoever controls this plat, how you can. You can put a condition on a plat that you have to do certain things and those conditions don't go away after it's signed. It's very difficult for us to solve the problem. I can make it go away for three days, no problem. I don't want - I'm telling you that's the remedy for us. I can move it across the street and move it back. Meridian doesn't have anything to gain out of it. Have me put a half a million dollar letter of credit with you that i# it isn't taken care of in six months, the City can cash. There are penalties and there are a lot of different things that we can do. I'm only making a suggestion. I definitely am not trying to take away any enforcement provisions that you have. I'm just telling you what our problem is and I'm trying to figure out a way to get around it. If you can't see your way tonight to get around it, then I'll live with this condition and I'll move the stuff down the street and rent a piece of dirt from someone for a couple of weeks so I can get through that process. I do a lot of applications with the City of Meridian and I'm completely and truthful with our applications and what we're trying to do tonight. Centers: Mr. Chairman. Borup: Commissioner. Nary: As follow up to that, Brad, 1 mean, did I misread this. That was what I assumed was the intenfi of having something like that is to make sure that we don't have this continued problem. The way I read this right now, we don't want to perpetuate this problem any longer. I think that what Mr. Durkin is partially correct. I don't know if using the plat as the mechanism is as effective as maybe other tools. I don't know if some other considerations were made or this is what you thought was the best tool. Could you give us some of your thoughts on that? + '" ;' ~; .-;; ,,j: F ~ t~ A' ,:: ,; -_>t. x~~.. fij ,. ._ :rr f . .~~~: ?"~~° ;: _;~, ~j :~ -: :~ „; j .. ~ ~ ~ ~_ -~t iy ~~ <; "r `: } F F~ ~~:>: Meridian Planning and Zoning mission Meeting June 7, 2001 Page 42 Hawkins-Clark: Yes Commissioner Nary. My apologies for not having been more familiar with this. Just on the front end of this, I'd have to agree. I think the letter of credit idea, 1 don't see why that wouldn't be your main tool. They would have to basically bond #or the off street parking. . Centers: Mr. Chairman. Borup: Commissioner Centers. Centers: I think that's excellent. What we could do tonight, we could approve this with all conditions as submitted. You come back to the Council with your substitute for Item 4 and 5. This is what we want to substitute for it and have it in writing. Durkin: I could do that. Centers: 1 think, tonight's not the time. 1 think the time to do that is when you take it to the Council. Durkin: Commissioner Centers, my intent tonight is to just be complete with you so you know what we're up against. So that if it comes back from Council you hear about i# from Council in another way, you'll know that I brought it up tonight. That's my intent. Nary: What we could also do, Commissioner Centers, is also include that because Council does try to look at what our recommendations are. We could include that as part of the motion that we would maintain the staff comments as written but we would also recommend other alternatives which may include a letter of credit or something else. You may think of something more creative and more feasible between now and then. That gives you some flexibility and lets the Council at least be advised that we've looked at that and we consider really anything reasonable because it think all of us on the Commission have the same objective the staff does. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Centers: Kind of a monetary guarantee for your six months that you want. Borup: Mr. Durkin, I have a couple of questions. The present site plan shows parking between the two buildings is that used as parking presently? You said that's storage mainly at this point? Durkin: It's striped. Borup: It is striped but not being used? .. 5; ~k..:~ - ~ :~ e ~«~ ~af~ Meridian Planning and Zoning mission Meeting June 7, 2001 Page 43 Durkin: It's not being used to it's fullest. °R;~ Borup: I was just looking at the - I mean I counted about 23 created on the new ~'` lot. It looks like a lot of parking places are being taken up with storage is the other problem. The staff report says 18 to 20 and 5 to 6 on the lot. That's 23 lots ~ ,~.~~ "~~~ taken on the low end plus everything else is going to be freed up back there. Re- reading No. 4, and Commissioner Nary maybe (inaudible). I don't see where there's a problem with item No. 4 - Durkin: It's only 5. I was just trying to -it's addressed in both of those. ~~, -t_ ~,, ~~< z° Borup: Yes because in 4 it says that you just need to demonstrate and I think the ~-` - `` plat will demonstrate that. Really the whole thing is just item No. 5. They're ~ ° ` going to have to remove the stuff off the lot to construct the building and develop °, -: - the lot so that part takes care of itself. The really only question is where do you -~~` park the cars while the things being built. It's a dead end street. Is that still <, correct? Shane Avenue does not go anywhere? ~_~~: Nary: I guess Mr. Chairman, I think at least what I was reading is that what the , staffs concern was is that we really stop this flood now. The assumption is that ' ~`` i .b . when it's all done and constructed and things are put where they belong that they will have (inaudible). They're wanting to stop it now just because it seems like it's gotten out of hand. I guess the compromise is, we're not trying to reward bad behavior but we're also trying to be reasonable as well. So, we're trying to find (inaudible) because, obviously it's not a big heartburn. (Inaudible). =w Shreeve: I've got a question. You know, as we talk about doing this ~'`` improvement now you mentioned in the Lease Agreement that you have no way ~s .~ of enforcing it. How do we know that it just won't go back to what it is now? Durkin: if the City of Meridian or the Ada County Highway District or whoever is "~ controlling - it's a public street. Right now you could ddve over there park your , car there anytime you want. There's nothing legally that we can do now to say `. n you can't out on the street. The reason they're parking on the street is there's n ~~~ nowhere to park on site because there's too much junk stacked all over the ~~: ~ place. We are going to demonstrate to you throughout this whole process that . ~ 1y ~ .~ we are going to get rid of that junk and provide striped, lined completed parking stalls in accordance with the plat and in accordance with all of the City requirements. , Shreeve: But, there wouldn't be any other assurance that there would be '~~ r ; storage? ; s~ ° Durkin: We'll be in full compliance with all your codes. All your outside storage ,~, .,~ codes and everything with this application. - ,r,~,°~ ~~~; „~` :~~: Elan, ~r'~._,,. i ~ y ~ , ~.. 1 ~ti :~c y; .~~x ° zpi ~;,~°~ ~_ `: ~ `i -._ ;z ~~~= ~.~~ ~'r:: ,~~ tE: -, °~' -- ~; ~. ~` ~ ; "'F:: :.' ~~,_ ~,. ~.G Meridian Planning and Zoningmission Meeting June 7, 2009 Page 44 Shreeve: To work with you initially to clean it up is one thing but then to make sure that it stays. Borup: Probably looking at things like, I assume fire code with an access around the building and the temporary trailer that's there. Those things should be in the code now and can be enforced. Durkin: They are. You could go out today and say - Borup: The other stuff is, things are going to happen running a business. I don't have a big problem with parking on the street that's what it's there for, but not -- Durkin: That's the thing I don't have control on the lease. In the lease I can't know go back and say - Borup: But, they're using handicap spaces on a (inaudible) basis and that's (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Shreeve: (Inaudible) the parking as much as it just having a bunch of junk or (inaudible). Durkin: I have complete control over that in the lease. I've read the leases. We have - Borup: Oh, you do? Durkin: We have control over the on site storage. Borup: Okay I thought someone said there wasn't. Durkin: What I said before is I don't have any control in the lease, I can't make a restriction in the lease now that their employees can't park out on the street. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: Because this is not a CUP situation where we could add those kind of conditions. I mean this is a little different but you're right, it's a street they can park there that's fine. They probably won't park there as much if there's not storage out there in the middle of the parking lot. Borup: They're going to (inaudible) where it's convenient for them. On site's going to be more convenient because you don't have to worry about - Centers: Just control the storage. ~;~~:' z;'; =: -~? ~, ;'.,~s .';;, -, m~•s ., F ~ ,` ~.;: _'. ~' Mari >. ~T~=: Meridian Planning and Zoning C~ission Meeting June 7, 2001 Page 45 (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Durkin: The Forsythe Family asked me to stand up in front of you tonight and commit to you that they will control the storage. Their desire in life is to clean it up and clean it up as soon as possible. Borup: It sounds like, we're saying in No. 5 that the storage - (Inaudiblediscussion amongst Commission members) Borup: -- that was my other question. You said, you give a six month time period. Is that reasonable? Durkin: Yes. Borup: You're going to have the building built and the streets paved in that time? Durkin: Or, I'll have it out of there. Everything's finished. There was a question about the back of this lot being paved it is paved. This (inaudible). I can do all of these improvements in that amount of time. Borup: Get the buildings up. I mean it looked like that was just maybe cutting you a little tight. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: Those are some large buildings and you know a big project to be doing. Six months from what time approval of the Final Plat? Durkin: Final signature on the plat. Borup: I mean that's enough time if the bids are out and it's ready to go. If not, you know, you don't have plans? Durkin: We have plans. Borup: Okay. Durkin: We have plans and specs ready to go right now. Borup: Okay that would be the only thing. (Inaudible) No. 5 rather than worded as such rather than prior to signing the plat that there would be a bond. Durkin: Mr. Chairman, I'm happy to address that at the Council. I just wanted you to know about it because that is the only thing I will address there. ~~ A M idi Pl i d Z i ~ : er an ann ng an on ng C ission Meeting " = ~ June 7, 2009 Page 46 ;.`ti;; ''~° ~~ Borup: 1 think we could make that as a recommendation. Can't we get some H~, ~ ;y~ ~r~~ sample wording in here? ; - Nary: Couldn't we put that as prior to issuance of a Building Permit instead of ~~ signing the plat. .;~~ Borup: Oh, prior to issuance of the Occupancy Permit? -~'~ 4~~' Nary: Before the Building Permit? Before they get the Building Permit, they're ~~~~ ~~rt going to have to provide a bond. That way it goes hand and hand and you don't have the time problem because you're going to pull a Building Permit when you -~ `,u get ready to build it so you should be able to provide the bond at the same time. `'' Borup: Item No. 5 could also be stated as prior to the issuance of the CO, ~ f" Certificate of Occupancy. t , ~+'r ~y1 (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) K .f~;~,- Borup: Right wouldn't that accomplish the same thing, if all these conditions 'F; were complied with by the time -- fV Durkin: I wish I could go off the record, but I can't. I would just remind you that t ~~~ s~; the desire from the City - T~ (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) 2 Durkin: (Inaudible) to tie it - would tie it to the time of the signature of the plat if I were you. I don't think my clients would like to hear me say that but, I know you're looking for protection. s~~; Borup: So, does this do it then? Any problem with removing the office, the `~ ~ temporary trailer office? y. r, ~' ~; (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) k `-~` Borup: Is that included in the six months? s~ Durkin: That's included in the six months. ,;, j„ .., Borup: All storage and parking lot shall be removed within six months of the '~ signature of the Final Plat. Is that -guaranteed by bond? Is that all we're trying to say? ~. >. ,; :.,. ~3~f~ +. r. .~'_;~C~;_ yy..y~~ `~~ .- .. - ~_ [ ~ .. i ; ' f,y ~,~\ , - .. ., . - ~ ~ ;:_.~ ~T :r m Meridian Planning and Zoning ission Meeting ~ June 7, 2001 ;~;~~ Page 47 Durkin: I think, just to help Will as we go down the road on this later. I think Will :. tip likes letters of credit. Having done them before, you're not a big bond fan. He's ~' the guy that has to -- he's a much (inaudible). It doesn't matter to us. f. ~ ~.`; Centers: If it's signed by a Banker. ~~,;< Durkin: It's also good to put in a local bank. Borup: Then all we need to do in our motion -- make that as a recommendation ;~ - :~. ~; (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) ~~ `_j Borup: Are we ready to move on then? Durkin: That's the end of my testimony. ~~:~~ 'r~~ Borup: Thank you Mr. Durkin. (Inaudible). `:~, '~ ~~ Nary: I move we close the Public Hearing. Hawkins-Clark: Chairman Borup I'm sorry I was raising my hand up here. I did have one question which I just saw on the site plan. The staff report didn't address -- it shows that there's actually a proposed building four and a proposed Y building five. Two buildings on the new lot. If that's the case then that requires a aa,-~~ ,, ~~. Conditional Use Permit. Not that it precludes you from grouping on this tonight. ,~ _' ~~ (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: This plat shows it attached, but they're numbering finro buildings. Did we ~.~ ~~ close the Public Hearing? '' ' (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) ,;;~ `'"'` Durkin: Building No. 1 on there is that -- V, (Inaudiblediscussion amongst Commission members) ~~ ~.. Durkin: The highest number of that would be an addition to the one building. It wouldn't be a separate Building Permit it would be one building. The front part of it would be built immediately. The back part of it would be built as an addition. In ~~`~~ fact, they're going to do it all at the same time. You're welcome to put that in as t a condition. When this application was very first done, several years ago, that ~ ~ ~ .,V was what their plan was. z~,v ;, ~; ~, ,~~,; ~. 7S ~.: ~~ ,. :. s ~1K, _ ...,; _._a ~yi° LT'S. ,_ ,, ~. _# `~ ~' '~` e ~ Meridian Planning and Zoning C ission Meetlng June 7, 2~1 .t ~.., ,,; Page 48 Nary: Would they need an amended plat to reflect that it's two buildings even though they're obviously attached to one another? Or, at least pretty close to ~_~ one another in the plat but, would you need an amended plat? r ~ Durkin: The plat shows it's all one building. Y - (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) - Nary: They just need it amended? I was just asking. ~~ Hawkins-Clark: I think we would like to see a correct and they already have the =~:r condition to change the date to 2001 from 99. Then of course they're also gong ~ ~ to have to modify note No. 4, which says that they're asking for a variance, which " :~~_ they don't need to do now. Durkin: The plat doesn't really - my experience in this, the plat won't have buildings on it. The plat is just showing lots. The plan that you're looking at is :' ° the plat showing lots and the buildings are drawn on there. _~~ .k~` (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) ,~~ ~ Nary: nny experience has been, it's just on one single case that we had a - problem with. Once you put the buildings on the plat and that's what the public theoretically has seen. To change it, then we're supposed to have a Public Hearing about it. ;_ f' Durkin: Then can I suggest an easy way to flx that is just to have, in reference to .f ~ that as what building what four and five on lot one, be one building. f~ ~ =' r-. ~~:, Borup: Or, ignore the building on the plat. Nary: Well, I think they did it because it shows clearly why the lot lines are being ~~` adjusted essentially which is fine. Like I said once you put them there, I think j ~~s you've got an issue with just changing it without making it clear. That's the (inaudible) 1 ~~'' Borup: To me that's not a big concern on this in an industrial - ~`k" Nary: I would agree - : (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) - f~ ;r~, , ~~~~` ~; Durkin: One building all at once. We're happy it was - ~ : ;,~,; _:'r~' "~: '',''_ _ ~~ a r + -~~'~ ~..'ro LAY.,;, y P~ '>; , 3:F~: ~ idi M Pl i d Z i Ci i RA ; ;: er an ann ng an on ng ss on eeting June 7, 2001 rye ,~.,~~ ., _ Page 49 ~~.: Nary: I think it just needs that we would include that we submit to the Council or r- before Final Plat approval the corrected site plan so it's just correct in what it is. I don't think it's a big problem. ~r Durkin: May I, just for the record, answer that drainage issue? There was a ~~~ drainage question before. '~'' ~' ~~' ' Borup: I think the question was, it shows it on lot one and we want to make sure and I guess that answers the question. Same owner on all. Durkin: The same owner and there's an agreement that will be in place to that effect. ~r1 r -~ ~~ Borup: Because theoretically they could sell those lots now separately. Wasn't ~ ~~ that the concern Brad? That if the lot was sold at a later time that there would be some agreement there? Hawkins-Clark: Right. u - ~.~ Borup: You did say that would be included in on the plat. ~~~f r ~Y Durkin: Just again, to clean it up a little bit. We're inheriting some work that was ~ a~ ~ previously done. You might include in your motion to have the applicant note on ~: ~= the Final Plat the drainage area to service lots 1, 2 and 3 noted on the plat and it's recorded (inaudible). Borup: Add note on there. Okay that will be included in the motion. ~~~~ {~ f Durkin: Does that make the - ~, ~z Borup: Thank you Mr. Durkin. Anything else Brad? ~~~ ~ ` --. ~ Hawkins-Clark: I'm sorry just for clarification, you're not saying to omit our = ,~ • recommended Condition No. 7 or are you saying that? That says they still need a separate agreement. Are you saying that you're going to take off the ~~ requirement that they need a separate agreement and just put it on the note as a -f;~~ note on the final plat or do both? That's the main concern that we have. r `~ (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: I don't think we're striking 7, just to have them add it on the plat. (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) `{ ;~ ~~ ,,. Nary: 1 move we close the Public Hearing. :L.'~i~ Y T4j' ~. rn V~ t:~ ~)~~ ~~~ 7~ K~~V .. ~y _ _ 3' i`M1 T -1:~'. =: ~x c 4 ~, ties ~~~_ ~:~: ,. `- ... Meridian Planning and Zoning C3rRfi~ission Meeting June 7, 2001 Page 50 Shreeve: Second. Borup: Motion second to close the Public Hearing. All in favor? MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT Borup: Okay are we ready? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Borup: I was going to say, do you want to go ahead and do it, according to discussion or do you want to discuss it a little bit first? (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) Nary: All right Mr. Chairman I would move that we approve PFP 01-001. The request for Preliminary Plat and Final Plat approval of 4 building lots on 4.94 acres in an I-L zone for the Seven Gates Industrial Subdivision by Dakota Company at the southwest corner of Commercial and Machine Avenue, east of North Nolan Road to include all staff comments of June 4~' with the following amendments. That we add, I guess to site-specific comment 5 that the applicant may propose a letter of credit from a local bank as an alternative that within six months of the signing of the Final Plat to remove all of the existing storage and existing temporary office trailer from the site and the letter of credit will grant assurance that, that will be completed or the City will have the funds in which to make that removal. They can propose either one of the City Council to consider whichever one they feel is most appropriate in this approval. That they add an additional comment, I guess it would be No. 12, that there be an amended site plan of this plat to reflect the proper buildings on lots 1, 2, 3 and 4 and that also site specific comment I guess it would be No. 13 that there be a note on the Final Plat I guess defining all of the drainage for lots 1,2, 3 and 4 and the location of that drainage. I think that was all the amendments that we discussed, unless anyone else (inaudible). Borup: I don't really follow your comment on the plat. Nary: VNell, because the building has a plat that was submitted for this application reflects buildings on lots 2, 3, and 4 and 2 buildings on lot 1. That they for the Final Plat for the City Council they simply amend that plat site plan to reflect what the buildings are. The intention was that the building on lot 1 would be one building, not two buildings that look like they're abutting each other. Borup: So, re-label that - Nary: Just re-label it. ~~: ,:~: -~ ::~ - ra~Mt( E .t f -~ ~ Meridian Planning and Zontng fission Meeting :' ,:`~, June 7, 2001 'r~R n c~y~~' Page 51 _~~~~~ Borup: Either that or remove the buildings. ~' i Nary: Well, it looks like they want to build that building. They just want to build the one building and not make it look like two buildings. I think that was all- ,;; . ~~s ~s~ ` Centers: I would second that motion. ~: . ~~'' ~~ ~~~" Borup: Motion is second. Any discussion? All in favor? MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT ~,} - (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) t .s '~~~ Borup: Do we have a motion to adjourn? ~ r ~ Nary: It's only 9:15. I think we could (inaudible). t Centers: Don't we have something more? ~' (Inaudible discussion amongst Commission members) s~:~ ;~,, ~~ Shreeve: I'll make a motion to adjourn. ~~~~ ~ .:;~.~ Nary: Second. Borup: Motion is second to adjourn. All in favor? k~' E MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT ;' ev„% ,'. !. ';h ~' _~~. MEETING ADJOURNED AT 9:18 P.M. ~, '' ~; (TAPE ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS) ~, APPROVED: ::-,~. . a ~x~ ~ -iA!~ 1 ~ ~~,®~ fL.~l "" ~~" ~~~'' ~ KEITH BORUP, CHAIRMAN ~~~ <~,; ~x ~ ~~ - WILLIAM G. BER , JR., CITY LE K ;*~A ~#:y J1 ~., ~.. • June 4, 2001 AZ O 1-008 MERIDIAN PLANNING 8~ ZONING MEETING June 7, 2001 APPLICANT L.C. Development, Inc. ITEM NO. REQUEST Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001- Annexation and Zoning of 12.71 acres from R1 and RUT to C-G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision -- Franklin Road west of Locust Grove Road AGENCY COMMENTS CITY CLERK: See previous Item Packet CITY ENGINEER: CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: CITY ATTORNEY CITY POLICE DEPT: CITY FIRE DEPT: CITY BUILDING DEPT: CITY WATER DEPT: CITY SEWER DEPT: SANITARY SERVICE: MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: MERIDIAN POST OFFICE: ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: IDAHO POWER: US WEST: INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: OTHER: Contacted: Date: Phone: Materials pr®sented at pubtlc m®etinys shall become properly of the CNy of M®ridian. • f j~i-£~:; .. ~..~,'"rt June 4, 2001 PP 01-009 ,~:: ~' _,„ ;.~yj ,~ k `' .~ ~_ .~ i~ r.,~, ,f ~,, ~~ '%; ~,;: i ~ ;" ~, `~ ,;~~ ~: ~; ~ ~'-a' -:, R~~:: MERIDIAN PLANNING 8~ ZONING MEETING June 7, 2001 APPLICANT L.C. Development, Inc. ITEM NO. `) REQUEST Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001 -Preliminary Plat approval of 10 building lots and 3 other lots on 12.71 acres in proposed C-G and R-40 zones for proposed Baltic Place Subdivision - Frankling Road west of Locust Grove Road AGENCY COMMENTS CITY CLERK: See previous Item P®Cket CITY ENGINEER: CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: CITY ATTORNEY CITY POLICE DEPT: CITY FIRE DEPT: CITY BUILDING DEPT: CITY WATER DEPT: CITY SEWER DEPT: SANITARY SERVICE: MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: MERIDIAN POST OFFICE: ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: IDAHO POWER: US WEST: INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: OTHER: Contacted: Date: Phone: Materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. ~~~.~ x' `t i 2001 CUP 01-015 June 4 Y ~ 'T ~.' , MERIDIAN PLANNING 8~ ZONING MEETING June 7, 2001 _ APPLICANT L.C. Deyel©pment, Inc. ITEM NO. REQUEST Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001 -Conditional Use Permit for a Planned °:` Unit Development for mixed use residential/Commercial in R1 and RUT zones for proposed Baltic ~''"`" ~ Place Subdivision -Franklin Road west of Locust Grove Road ~ ~ - AGENCY COMMENTS CITY CLERK: See previous Item Packet ~: '~~~ CITY ENGINEER: 3 >tr CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: 1 U L . ~~~ CITY ATTORNEY ~', ; CITY POLICE DEPT: CITY FIRE DEPT: `~ ` ~~~ ' ~ _ CITY BUILDING DEPT: , ~, ~ ,., ..- `.4? °`~= CITY WATER DEPT: CITY SEWER DEPT: 1, SANITARY SERVICE: MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: ;:~, w`;~ MERIDIAN POST OFFICE: ~~ " ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: _1 CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: .~` NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: ~~at~ _ IDAHO POWER: : ~, , US WEST: z INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: OTHER: Contacted: Date: Phone: y 4 w~a Materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the city of Meridian. "'" .. :r3i .:~yy ~~ ~~ " h t ~,~' ~ ., y; k ,. ... ~~;~ .. ~, _ Yu •j;, _., p: ,~. c- . ~- ,, ,; c~: ,. s Err 1 4 -,};~, ; ~~ ~~. ~ .~ k ~. ~~.... -, +C, ^:rr ~~~ ~s~> ,.~ ... y~~a ~xF'=;; ,.: ~~t=-... 7;~~'~. ® o ~~~ June 4, 2001 PP 01-010 MERIDIAN PLANNING 8~ ZONING MEETING June 7, 2001 APPLICANT Alberfson's, Inc. ITEM NO. REQUEST Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 20Q1 -- Preliminary Plat approval of 18 building lots and 2 other lots on 11.57 acres in R-4 and C-N zones for proposed Cherry Crossing -northwest comer of Linder Road and West Cherry Lane AGENCY COMMENTS CITY CLERK: See previous Item Packet CITY ENGINEER: CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: CITY ATTORNEY CITY POLICE DEPT: CITY FIRE DEPT: CITY BUILDING DEPT: CITY WATER DEPT: CITY SEWER DEPT: SANITARY SERVICE: MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: MERIDIAN POST OFFICE: ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: IDAHO POWER: US WEST: INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: OTHER: Contacted: Date: Phone: Materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. k , ,:..< ,i ,.. ~ ~. } - •'<5 } 0 0 June 4, 2001 CUP 01-016 MERIDIAN PLANNING 8~ ZONING MEETING June 7, 2001 APPLICANT Alberfson's, Inc. ITEM NO. REQUEST Continued Public Hearing from May 17, 2001 -Conditional Use Permit far single-family and drug store with drive-thru, fuel pumps, office/retail and fast food in R-4 and proposed C-N zones for proposed Cherry Crossing -northwest comer of Cherry Lane and Linder Road AGENCY COMMENTS CITY CLERK: See previous Item packet CITY ENGINEER: • ~ CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: CITY ATTORNEY CITY POLICE DEPT: CITY FIRE DEPT: CITY BUILDING DEPT: CITY WATER DEPT: ~`~ CITY SEWER DEPT: SANITARY SERVICE: MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: ~;_; MERIDIAN POST OFFICE: ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: IDAHO POWER: US WEST: INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: OTHER: Contacted: Date: Phone: Materials present®d at public meetings shall become property of fihe City of Meridian. ?~:~;,: ~~~f ze .,: ~e. 'mow ,_. :f~f ~: ; '*~~,. kA ] ~; _°``+ ~~ ~ a:, :: <~ Rr ~y x ~~1' -s 0 June 4, 2001 AZ 01-009 MERIDIAN PLANNING & ZONING MEETING June 7, 2001 APPLICANT D'AIC:SSIO Building Development ITEM NO. ~/ -~~ REQUEST Public Hearing -Request for annexation and zoning of 8.15 acres from RUT to R-4 zones for propose Staten Park Subdivision -southeast comer of Norfh Black Cat Road and West Ustick Road AGENCY COMMENTS CITY CLERK: CITY ENGINEER: CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: See attached staff comments CITY ATTORNEY CITY POLICE DEPT: No comment CITY FIRE DEPT: MFD will not have a problem with this Annex. CITY BUILDING DEPT: CITY WATER DEPT: No comment CITY SEWER DEPT: No comment SANITARY SERVICE: 4k. No comment of SSC MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: MERIDIAN POST OFFICE: ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: See attached comments CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: No comment NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: IDAHO POWER: US WEST: INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: OTHER: Contacted: Date: Phone: Materials presented at publle meeflngs shall become property of the Clay of Meridian. ~~;,;;; ~:.. ;~ ,~w:_ ,~ ~3 ~ti~ '~~. t.~ ..rz. M.k . „,: s,=~,,. a ,' ~~:. ~ii ~~ ,. a, ~;fie'~ s, ~~; ~F E Uzi x ,~. ;~: ~ r: ~'~ ~x,; :-, ~, ,:~: ~;;, .~;s~~: >~, -,~:, ~° ~,- CIS June 4, 2001 PP 01-012 MERIDIAN PLANNING 8~ ZONING MEETING June 7, 2001 APPLICANT D'AIeSSion Building Development ITEM NO. REQUEST Preliminary Plat approval of 23 building lots and 5 other lots on 8.15 acres in a proposed R-4 zone for proposed Staten Park Subdivision - 4625 Ustick Road, comer of Black Cat and Ustick Roads AGENCY COMMENTS CITY CLERK: CITY ENGINEER: CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: See attached staff comments CITY ATTORNEY CITY POLICE DEPT: No comment CITY FIRE DEPT: See attached comments CITY BUILDING DEPT: CITY WATER DEPT: No ccsmment CITY SEWER DEPT: No comment SANITARY SERVICE: No comment MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: MERIDIAN POST OFFICE: ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: See attached comments NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: See attached comments IDAHO POWER: US WEST': INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: OTHER: See attached Evalua#ion Sheet Contacted: Date: Phone: Materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian 0 '.~; ;,, .: y, {7> ~~~ ffi~ti .r= ,: -.~,. °a~~ y;~ ; r„ June 4, 2001 CUP O1-018 MERIDIAN PLANNING & ZONING MEETING June 7, 2001 APPLICANT Meridian Assembly of God ITEM NO. ~, REQUEST Public Hearing -Request for a Conditional Use Permit for continuation of a 3-yegr Conditional Use Permit granted in January of 1997 for modular buildings in an L-O zone for Meridian Assembly of God - 1830 North Linder Road AGENCY COMMENTS CITY CLERK: CITY ENGINEER: CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: CITY ATTORNEY CITY POLICE DEPT: CITY FIRE DEPT: CITY BUILDING DEPT: CITY WATER DEPT: CITY SEWER DEPT: SANITARY SERVICE: MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: MERIDIAN POST OFFICE: ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: IDAHO POWER: US WEST: INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: OTHER: Contacted: Date: Phone: Materials presented at public meetings shall become properly of the Clty of Meridian. No comment Mf D will not have a problem with this No comment No comment See attached comments See attached comments No comment ~; r~a~ . ~" `.#~~; ,~~~, , , kF c ~; 3: n,,;, ~` ~; ~3~- a~~j a ~,.'~a :;: _. ~. ,:,.. 'i F , .*~ :;,.,; ~:; ; ~~ t' , f .; ~~ t~,y:~;,:,;~. ~,~ 4a`+fi; 'aH June 4, 2001 CUP 01-019 MERIDIAN PLANNING S~ ZONING MEETING June 7, 2001 APPLICANT Dakota Company, Ir1C. ITEM NO. REQUEST Public Hearing -Request for a Conditional Use Permit for afree-standing bank building with adrive-thru window and ATM machines in an I-L zone for Meridian Crossroads Shopping Center -south of East Fairview Avenue and east of North Eagle Road AGENCY COMMENTS CITY CLERK: CITY ENGINEER: CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: CITY ATTORNEY CfTY POLICE DEPT: No comment CITY FIRE DEPT: See attached comments CITY BUILDING DEPT: CITY WATER DEPT: No Remarks CITY SEWER DEPT: No comment SANITARY SERVICE: See attached COmm@nts MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: MERIDIAN POST OFFICE: ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: See attached comments CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: See attached Comments NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: No comment IDAHO POWER: US WEST: INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: OTHER: See attached letter from Dakota Co. Contacted: Date: Phone: Mat®dals pr®sented at public me®tings shall become properly of the City of Meridian.