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2001 05-29~ ~ CITY OF MERIDIA.~T MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL 8 PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION JO/NT WORKSHOP AGENDA ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION Meridian City Hall Council Chambers Tuesday, May 29, 2004, at 6:30 P.M. Roll Call: X Tammy deWeerd X Cherie McCandless X Ron Anderson X Keith Bird X Mayor Robert Corrie Roll Call: X Sally Norton O Jerry Centers X Bill Nary X Keven Shreeve O Chairman Keith Borup -ssue #1 Discussion concerning Comprehensive Plan update, procedure and process: Shari S. discussed -- update -ssue #2 Discussion of Future Topics Meridian City Council / Plannig & Zoning Commission Workshop Agenda -May 29, 2001 Page 1 of 1 All materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilities related to documents and/or hearings, please contact the City Clerk's Office at 888-4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting. .~.~, w~. 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MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL r:~ & PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION JOINT WORKSHOP r ~~: AGE~AIDA ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION ` k ~ {` ~' ~~' ' Meridian City Hall Council Charnbe-s Tuesday, May 29, 2001, at 6:30 P.M. °~~ Roll Call: X Tammy deWeerd X Cherie McCandless ~:~ .~; ~'~~' X Ron Anderson X Keith Bird ,~ 'r~~ X Mayor Robert Corrie ti '?' Roll Call: X Sally Norton O deny Centers X Bill Nary X Keven Shreeve O Chairman Keith Borvp ;:~~~,: Issue #7 Discussion concerning Comprehensive Plan update, procedure and ~~ f~~ process Issue #2 Discussion of Future Topics :,~~ ,~; „~~ ,.. .:~ :1 ~Yi l+~ _. S. -' Meridian City Camcil / Plannig 8~ Zoning Commission Workshop Agenda - May ~, 2~1 Page 1 of 1 All materials presented at public rr~ings shall become property of the Cry of Meridian. ., ^~ ~` Anyorre desiring accanmodation for disabilities related to documents and/or hearings, ~ pose corrkad the City Cleric's 08ice at 888-4433 at I~st 48 hours prior to the public meeting. I ~ ~~ , *~ ~. _,k `-~,' hh 3~qq i r: ,. _~~~~ „- x:~; >f ,:_ ;z .,F,:. ~a:;z:,,: -,,~; ~~ . z~F '.~ ~u ~~,'^~,~. .t <:~; Y: ~:~: r7` ,, j. ,~~. ~~ ~~ n~~; fi ~ . ctFti: ~~-~~ } Meridian Citv Council /Planning and Zoning Workshop May 29, 2001 The joint workshop for Meridian City Council and Planning and Zoning Commission was opened at 6:30 P.M. on Tuesday May 29, 2001 by President Keith Bird. Members Present: Mayor Robert Corrie, Keith Bird, Ron Anderson, Tammy de Weerd, and Cherie McCandless. Others Present: Shari Stiles, Bill Nichols, Gary Smith, Brad Watson, Will Berg, Ken Bowers and David Swartley. Bird: Okay. We'll start the special workshop, Meridian City Council and Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission on May 29, 2001 at 6:30. The Mayor and all 4 Council Members are present. I believe we've got 2 of the Planning and Zoning, Keven Shreeve and Sally Norton. We've got Shari Stiles from Planning and Zoning. Mr. Bill Nichols from the law firm. Will Berg, the city clerk and Brad Watson from I'm having a senior moment here I can't even -City Engineer - rememberwhat I'm suppose to say. Roll Call: X Tammy deWeerd X Cherie McCandless ~C,_ Ron Anderson X Keith Bird X Mayor Robert Corrie Roll Call: X Sally Norton O Jerry Centers X Bill Nary X Keven Shreeve O Chairman Keith Borup Issue #1 Discussion concerning Comprehensive Plan update, procedure and process Bird: Anyway, we'll open it up and we're going to discuss the comp plan, the new Comprehensive Plan. Shari Stiles, do you want to take that over? Are you the one that's going to do it? Corrie: Mr. President, if I may. A point of order. Would you tell us what you're (inaudible)? Stiles: I didn't. The Powder River, did you talk to (inaudible)? De Weerd: Well, I can give an update on Powder River if you want me to. We're going to have on our agenda next week the memo that the City is going to send regarding Powder River so that Council and the Mayor can all be on the same page with it. Once we have our comments or add anything to it, the Mayor and Shari can send that out within a day or finro of next week's meeting so that they L~ ~ i 7". ~Y' Me~ldian City Council / Planning~Zoning Commission Jotnt Workshoty/ Meeting May 29, 2~1 Page 2 can get it into their information packet. That's kind of what Scott and I have talked about as far as timetable. Cowie: It has been tabled - De Weerd: Until the 20"'. Stiles: I just wanted to get an update on actually what happened. Cowie: Okay. Stiles: Whether we have any testimony at all. De Weerd: He told me he wasn't going to allow testimony. Stiles: We did fax Brad and Gary's letter to them right before the meeting. Bird: That's the one we've got fight here. Stites: We just wanted to make sure they had something in front of them so that they wouldn't get up and say well the city hasn't even responded. Bird: Any more updates or should we go on with our comp plan? Stiles: The comp plan, today was my 30-day deadline to get it into the county. It's going to be 1 or 2 days late. We're working on final staff report and the actual modifications to the plan. We do have a new draft of the land use plan that, this is the only copy I have right now or I'd give you one. We have a few tweaks left to do to it. This is what Steve did if you want to look at it. Steve did a really good job on that. He was very thorough in it. For the public Hearing we wanted to know where you want to meet or where some possible locations are, schools don't have any Idea how many people are going to be there. I think there's, more than likely it would fill up this room. We could go to the convention center, try one of the schools. Any ideas? Bird: How about the middle school's auditorium? That's so big. It would be huge. De Weerd: The high school has a smaller one we did a crime prevention one in. They have a stage. The sound effects, You get an echo in the room. (inaudible discussion) Corrie: The high school auditorium? ~~ ~~, ~~~.: ~~: yy. •:.kY ;: ;~' °"`? s { { ~~~: y ~y :~44 ~ ~w ~ni~, :~. ^ Ys ~, +` ~ ~ ~i'.ti ~"~ ~: ~- :+ ~r ~y,, ti .:~+-~, ~- ~r::: Meridian City Council / Planning~Zoning Commission e Jain wc~,shop/ Meeting Mey 29, 2~9 P~e3 De Weerd: Yeah. Cowie: Is it smaller than the middle - Bird: Yes. It's just a little one. De Weerd: About a quarter of the size. Stiles: Probably holds about 1300 or so. Cowie: Oh, well then we should probably get the high school. (inaudible discussion) Cowie: I don't know. I can check with - Stiles: (inaudible) can get us a deaf. (inaudible discussion} Stiles: So, you want to try the high school auditorium. Cowie: Everybody knows where it is. Bird: They'H be out of school. De Weerd: Plenty of parking. Bird: Yeah, we don't have to worry about parking. (inaudible discussion) De Weerd: You know who schedules it? Well, it's the one (inaudible) It's Jim well, what is his last name? Bird: Jim Reid? De Weerd: Jim Reid, yeah. (inaudible discussion) Stiles: Maybe Witl should be in charge of trying to get that (inaudible). Bird: I'd let him. ~; ,,. . , -,~; , ~ t ' ~~. aa _~' 1 X£P'+ ~_ ~r a; :,~ ,~ . ~,~ ?: :{ p ;~~ ;,; ! !ii _. :r ~~f ~A "'. S .;; ,~.: , ~i ~: ,. r.~~y. .: C; `. ~.°)^- 1 Meridian Gity Council / Pianning~Zoning Commission .faint Workshop/ Meting May 29, 2001 Page 4 Stites: So, (inaudible) the high school. As we learned during the open houses, most of the people that are going to be commenting are concerned about their own little half-acre or whatever it is throughout the city. They're not real big picture people. They just want their comer 2 acres to be commercial or whatever it is. That's was the extent of their concerns. We'll be hearing from a lot of those people about their own property. Or some of them might be upset about the designation of property even within 1 to 2 miles of theirs because of the potential for traffic problems or. We'll probably hear from Valerie Heights neighborhood quite a bit more t'm sure because we have designated that, you know its already zoned now as (inaudible). One thing that we had talked about is we want to deal with the geographical areas as part of this testimony. We want to say here's Old Town, all the people from Old Town that want to get up and testify. I'm just not real sure how to try and keep it a little more focused so it's not just everywhere. If we could maybe have the southwest quadrant or you know set up designated areas of the city that people could sign up. Then if there's general sign up for you know like the urban service planning area. There's going to be a lot of testimony on that. Cowie: You'd think we'd want some kind of continuity. People to sign up for different sections of town. Some people don't care about some sections. They should but they won't. (inaudible) Stiles: Do you think we should have sign up sheets that say you know, if you live in southwest Meridian. Maybe even have a map up there that if they're in this area and they'd want to comment on something in that sign up on this sheet? Cowie: That would be a good idea. Bird: That would be a good idea, Shari. If you'd make a big map and zone it off and call it zone 1, 2 and 3, however many zones. Cowie: Otherwise, we're going to get hit from all sides and they're not going to be able to keep them all together. They might. Norton: (inaudible) for Planning and Zoning Public Hearing, not City Council? Stiles: If it were sweetie, you'd hear (inaudible). Norton: It looks like June the 2g~' is the first Public Hearing, is that right? Stiles: Yes. If that works for Norton: And Bill's not going to be here for that one but the rest of us wiA. Stiles: Does that concern you? ,. ~;.,, ; ~. __ r =«v ~ ~~ ,~. ,;:~.. ~ ~, `' ,° :,, , 4. .;'aft,„~ ~..:,~ f ~'_.~: Q« n z'~ ~F ~. . $r +~ 3~A~ r~ ;~x;~ . =' ~~: ;.~: 3 ~~ ,`~ '~`' ;_~, - ;.,.. ._~~; 3. ~~ ; . orb::; ,;~; . "` Meridian Cry Council / Planntng~Zontng Commission e Joint Workshop/ Meeting May zs, 2~1 Page 5 Norton: No. It would be nice to have Bill in on that but you know the summer, we're all taking vacation and it's hard to get everybody. What you said I think makes a lot of since. If we could have (inaudible) We need somebody (inaudible) ~~s: Smith: Somebody that's rude and bold. Anderson: Couldn't you ask someone from the city cleric's ofFce? Norton: Oh, l could ask. (inaudible discussion) Norton: One minute sign and then. Shreeve: Then, you make an example of the first 2, the rest will get the picture. Stiles: (inaudible) embarrass (inaudible). There's going to be several attorneys I'm sure that'll be testifying and probably saying they're representing - 9°° Bird: And they're the worst. Stiles: -half the planet so. Cowie: If they're there and they're representing somebody give them 6 minutes. Norton: Six minutes? Nichols: And no more. Bird: And no more. (inaudible discussion) Cowie: Then you're going to have more than one workshop, are you not? Just have one for them and for us. Bird: You just have one Public Hearing, don't you? Stiles: Well, there's another - (inaudible discussion) Stiles: This was intended as just kind of an opening discussion on it. June 7~', ifiey're talking about the first hour would be a workshop. June 29~ another workshop for Planning and Zoning. <,~ 5 Meridian City Council / Planning Zoning Commission O Joint Worl~hop! Meeting May 29, 20D1 Page 8 (inaudible discussion) Stiles: At 6:00 P.M. prior to the regular meeting. Is that what you've decided on? IS that what you want to do? Shreeve: I didn't get to my box. Thank you. Nichols: Shari, do you have in there? The comp plan has got some general policies in ~, some definitions and those sorts of things. The thing where you're talking about specific testimony, it only really relates to the (inaudible) ~ Stiles: No. It's policies, objectives, action items. Nichols: Because I can see where somebody might have some. Maybe you do have somebody that'll be big picture (inaudible). They don't have a specific interest (inaudible). Stiles: Well, that's why I said there would have to be a general overall because some of them might just want to talk about the urban service planning area. That's not related to any specific quadrant so we do have to have general comments on the plan to the people that wanted to comment on that. Of course some people might sign up for very sec~on. (inaudible discussion) McCandless: Whatever makes you think that? Anderson: (inaudible) The developers are going to be looking at generalized so there's going to be overall throughout the city. Bird: Can't you have one of your sections just as overall? Bill can't you do something like that and then zone it? Nichols: Yeah. I guess that's what I was wondering about. in terms of how to structure the hearing. Somebody that's got general comments that does not own this specific piece of property or doesn't have comments with regards to a specific piece of property maybe (inaudible). Stiles: You mean, general comments first? Nichols: You might try it. Think through it though because a lot of people have both. Stiles: Yeah. ~~.,:_ „;y,,; .t. ;: ,~ ssa ~, -: :. 4 i~ ~ , ~sz ;, ~; `:~~~: Meridian City CouncH / Plannira~~Zoning Commission Joint Walcshap! Meeting May 29, 2001 Page ~' Nichols: So, they get up and start talking about general policies and then they'll lapse into something that has to do with their particular piece of properly. There need to be some pretty clear instructions at the beginning of the hearing about how that will ga. Maybe even a sign up sheet for the general (inaudible). Please agreement not to address a specific, treatment of a specific piece property unless they're also signed up some place else. De Weerd: On specific pieces, could you not (inaudible)? (inaudible) enter it into the record. Then they're submitting the right comment. (inaudible) (inaudible discussion) Corrie: You're going to have to set the ground rules. (inaudible) Publicize it too that they can do it in writing like she said. Then submit that and it would be read in the record. (inaudible). Norton: What is the extra (inaudible)? M'~~. ~~ =~~.~: :s;: ~;*,, ~ri~;; w ~ r' a, u Stiles: If they want a copy of the draft plan. We're not redoing the plan at all. I mean as far as,1 will have, -- !need to get Sonya to rewrite my comments in here. But, we'll have one copy incorporating all the changes only at the Planning and ,Zoning pepartment because it has even little things. You know little typo things, everything in there. A lot of the census data says it wasn't available when this was done. I mean we're not going to really address specific census data. We'll have this and that'll probably be the first of next week before we get the redone version. Then we'll have a staff report and it's kind of an overview of where we've come from and what we've been doing. (inaudible). It's about a 3- page memo. Following that, will be a detachment which will be, 1 of the attachments will be a summary of all the written comments we've received so you can look at that We'll have the full set, the actual comments and letters. If you want to look at those we can get everything to you or just ask for a specific letter. We just tried to summarize kind of the gist of what their letter was about. That will be one attachment. The other attachment will be fihe actual, a page by page of major issues. We're not going to have the glossary done. We're not going to have the list of acronyms done. We'll do that just before it goes to City Council. Do you see a problem with that, not having that cx~mplete? Nichols: Are the glossaries more important than the acronyms. I think you're going to have to have the definitions even if you've just got a draft. Then add some to it before you give it to Council. Take what you can do and have it. Stiles: Ada County Association of Realtors was the one that wanted the definition. It was a good idea. l was hoping they wouldn't - I got a listing before now. Because I told them, you know, if there's things in there that -because to me it's jusfi, oh, okay everyone knows what that is. I thought if he'd give me a list to help me know just what the troublesome phrases were and we could do that. 1 ~~. ~.. ~4.. i{~'~:' r~ ` Meridian City Council 1 Planning~Zoning Commission e Joint WoricshaaJ Meeting May 28, 2001 Page 8 do have a short one so even if I had just a little list, it would be better? Then we can add to it. Nichols: Yeah. De Weerd: Just use the short one (inaudible) come up, just add to it. Stiles: Yeah. I don't have - De Weerd: Maybe you can call Mark and ask him by what date (inaudible). Stiles: Even if we had them -What if we had them before the Public Hearing? Like a week before the Public Hearing? Nichols: I think as long as there's sufficient time for someone to give me a (inaudible). (inaudible discussion) Stiles: The list of acronyms is what I was saying. (inaudible discussion) Norton: Will that be available for people? Stiles: It will. We've completely redone that. Norton: You've redone it? Okay. Then with (inaudible) Stiles: It won't have street names. It won't have parcel numbers. It's a general plan. It's the intent of it so people don't go and pick out their piece of property and say well mine's green and I don't want it to be green. (inaudible discussion) Stiles: tt'll probably be like this one. (inaudible) (inaudible discussion) Nichols: (inaudible) Fairview Stiles: It'll probably just tike this with just the secondary roads. (inaudible discussion) Stiles: Anybody else - ? x: ;~~~- ,s?h'.-_ t'~ :. :. .., 3 ~! N ~ x ~ - " ~ ~ ;. ~;~ A h -~~ „ ~y~"` =Y ~: ~f... - Merfdi~n City Council / Planning~Zoning Commisslon Johd workshop/ Meting May 2s, zoos Psg® s (inaudible discussion) Stiles: So, we wi11 go by geographic areas. Another suggestion that Brad had was to take testimony on each chapter. I'm not sure how useful that would be because a lot of, like the first three chapters are just information. It's not really, doesn't have the goats and objectives and the action items that the rest of it has. We might, the neighborhood general concept, I don't know how controversial that will be. The plan (inaudible) but in this new map and what we've added to this draft plan based on the input we got from people because in the draft plan all of this was shown as pretty much single family residential, everywhere. Just like this. A lot of the comment that we got was that there needs to be some services available for those people. We (inaudible). It was (inaudible). We like the overall concept of having the neighborhood centers but they want to make sure that we have some plan to implement them soon. You know, get an ordinance (inaudible) to actually be able to implement those because otherwise we just may have intersections. Every comer's going to try to be commercial. So, there may be some commen# on that. This was in response to public testimony and the letters that we received that they want to see some kind of services out to compliment those residential areas.. There might be testimony on that. We all know that the urban service planning area, I think everybody knows. The urban service area is going to be the biggest issue for people. To give you a little a bit of history on pulling that urban service planning area back. It was actually suggested by Ada County stafF that, that would help them to be able to deny projects. What it's done in the year since the draft came out is showing that the urban service planning area has had a glut of applications submitted to the county. In what would be outside of our urban service planning area, still in our area of impact because they think they have to get in there now so they can get something approved. They think that the way this is drawn is going to prevent them from ever developing. Even though we've explained to them, it's not to prevent you from developing. It's just trying to grow from the inside out and try to prioritize the growth areas. That was the intent. IYs not that we never intend to serve that area. That is probably 80 percent of what people are going to be upset about. De Weerd: Are there any questions about that? Does everyone understand what Shari is referring to? Stiles: The original urban service planning area (inaudible) everything that was in the area of impact was also in the urban service planning area. It went clear up to Chinden and clear down to (inaudible) past Amity. You know it took in the whole entire area of impact. What they've done on the draft, is bring the urban service planning area back down to McMillan and just. You know, we're going to be pret#y busy just working on that white drain and the south slough area. De Weerd: Pretty much following the priorities that Council set a year ago. ~. ~:, 4* .. .. Vii. Sr.{f',' Meridian City Council / Planning~Boning Commission Johrt Workshop) Meeting May 29, 2001 Page 10 Anderson: Does it go up at Chinden there at Locust Grove? Stiles: It does. It goes up so we can serve that area - Bird: We already have - (inaudible discussion) Bird: we've already got it in there. (inaudible discussion) Stiles: It is hard because it overlaps there. Yeah, because Council said that they would let that flow into that white drain once that was constructed. So, maybe we could put that in there (inaudible). We did from the draft, 2000 plan, we didn't like the way the map looked. For one it didn't look very professional and it looked like everybody just came out and pointed to #heir piece and said I want that colored red. De Weerd: Which they did. (inaudible discussion) Stiles: We'd get comments like, we'd get a letter, oh we see that you've shown our parcel as office, please reaone immediately. That was our whole thing. (inaudible discussion) Stiles: We're seeing such a huge amount of commercial out along Eagle. We really didn't like that. Not just for the aesthetics of the plan but, just to think if that much commercial and all tied up along Eagle Road we just cringed. We have shown a lot of those commercial areas back into a mixed use areas in trying to set some policy that we require more than one use. So you"re not stuck with - Unidentified: Mixed use, like office and commercial? ~ (inaudible discussion) Stiles: Both. k'~~:~.. r5A'i i~ - De Weerd: There's going to be 2 different types of mixed use. You can have kind of a mixed use with single family and neighborhood typo of services and a mixed use with multi family and maybe industrial and commercial use. So that we don't just have a single use there. There can be a little bit of diversity (inaudible). Now when you guys listen to both the Landscape Ordinance and the Sign Ordinance, staff (inaudible) get a hold of you with the PowerPoint presentation and ~, . , , . , hs,. .~~, _. °~' . ` : cr S Meridian City Council I Planrdn~ Zoning Commission • Joint Workshop/ Meeting May 29, 2tMi1 Page 11 {inaudible). That kind of helped educate the people. You know, for one it's (inaudible). That's the best way to introduce that. You know, maybe Shari on the best way to present it would be by area that you think that you will get the most comments in. ieighborhood centers, urban services area. and mixed use. {inaudible discussion) Stiles: So, we should get a presentation maybe, you think? (inaudible) De Weerd: 1 know even with the mill levy thing, you know, 1 guess it's first to get an educational overview and try and anticipate what questions or comments might be and try and address them in that presentation. Maybe in our publicity about the next Public Hearing, say the frst 45 minutes will be a overview presentation on the comp plan. Focussing on these areas. (Vary: That was actually the intent of the June 7~' and June 21~ i thought. When we talked about it was that for that exact thing. That overview because we did feel that, to try to have a hearing the same time you have that, it ends up putting the hearing at 3:00 in the morning. That overview not only helped us to grasp what all the different things staff thought was very important. It also did educate the public on what was important and what staff wanted to talk about. I meant they have, everybody has their ovm issues but that did at least give that type of information out. That's really what (inaudible) is to give use that opportunity. That's why we're going to start the meeting early is for us to have that overview opportunity involved. At least if they want to be and giving them that information. We're taking testimony (inaudible). De Weerd: You may even want to separate land use out and put that. Have June 7~', everything but land use. Then the land use map, have on the 21~. Stiles: Why do you say everything but? De Weerd: That would be - (inaudible discussion) De Weerd: (inaudible) about your neighborhood centers. That kind of urban service areas. I know but it's not the specifrc (inaudible). Anderson: I think you ought to even back up even further than that. You ought to first explain fio people what a Comprehensive Plan is. How it's used by Planning and Zoning Commission and the city. How the process is developed. How the comp plan gets put together before you ever get into any of the specifics. Give them a history. Give them another (inaudible} Just as if you walked in there and didn't know what a comp plan was. I think you could spend ~` ~, f3'~`- ..`d~~'. ~~~ ~Q3{:~.j..:. h~'~•. s,, 3 ~- ~ ~ ~~'-~ ;..;;;- ;t -~< ..Y; -~` - =- ~~ ~ }~ ~~~; ;~,k ~, ~. } ~ ~ -~1~ ';, ~;~ >: _ ;; _~s ~,~ ar ~~: ,ti<` ~_ t i~h ~~ ~` .~ Ttii r;_ x ~~w ~~ ~1~~ ;~~ .. ~y ~~~ :. ~, . y. -: Meridian City CounGl / Ptannin~d Zoning Commission • Joint workshop/ Meeting May 29, 2~1 Page 12 probably at least 30 minutes to an hour just on educational background about how you got to that point. Nary: 1 think that would be beneficial. I mean although (inaudible). I think it's a (inaudible). if the message to them is (inaudible) they may or may not. I mean, we're trying to provide them a service. (inaudible). I think that's very good information that probably should start off our meeting (inaudible). (inaudible discussion) Nary: I think they do need- to know this really matters and it's important. Realistically, I'm certainly not speaking for everybody ellse on the commission but I think that's the one most people are going to show up at. (inaudible discussion) Nary: The other one's more informational and some will be there who're interested and follow it all along. I think that's exactly what the public showed lead off (inaudible). This is very important. (inaudible discussion) Norton: My only comment is that when we went through the sign and f think it was the landscape, it was an hour and a half presentation. That was too long. Then we had public testimony after that. So, carefully (inaudible) informational session that we could keep the meeting to (inaudible). It has to be very carefully scripted so you (inaudible). Again going back what is a comp plan and what it's used for. Then the highlights of it. (inaudible) I can see this Public Hearing (inaudible). I know there's no time on the (inaudible). W-e usually start at 7:00. If we start at 7:00 have ydu know a half hour, 45 minutes education. Then start the Public Hearing. That would be the way to do it. Stiles: VNe can start it anytime you want. (inaudible discussion) Nary: We can set a timeline and say you know we're not going to take any more testimony after 90:00. Just understand when you sign up if we get up to number 25 - Norton: (inaudible} I know at legislative committee meetings you can have the secretary sign you up to testify before you get there. That means then that you make sure you're on the list. Nichols: Then the chairman would say, those out of town get to speak first. . ~, ~ , .:'7,;. ;,,_t >= ~ ~~ _~ w '~rr -,U ~A~ > ~ :~ ~: .; \ h,{: f ~ ~_ ~ ` ;~~. ~ j {~ ~;- ;: r- r~'ss t~t ' ~y ~:~ ~; ~ ;~ .T; ,y ~ ~~`'~~ '"3. fi'', t~~~~ Meridian City Council / Plannirt~ Zoning Commission e Joint Wodcshop/ Meeting May 29, 2001 Page 13 (inaudible discussion) Nary: This is more than one meeting. I think you know there'll be plenty of opportunity to comment. If people didn't get frustrated. I think that part of the chair's responsibility is going to make sure that people understand that they have. You know if we only get to 25 on the list tonight in the 3 or 4 hours or whatever #hat we're doing, We are going to have another one (inaudible). We just don't want the same people coming and saying the same thing both times. Then somebody else doesn't get a chance (inaudible). That's what would be helpful and you can use the list. Then people who sign up (inaudible). You can also have a new one each meeting. Bird: Just like all the other public testimony. Everything you hear, we'N hear identical. (inaudible discussion) De Weerd: On June 21~, though it (inaudible) be advantageous to have an orientation or discussion on the land use map. You know, before the Public Hearing, informational to discuss what the mixed use is, the urban service area even the pathways and the parks and the schools. A lot of the stuff that`s integrated into that, that landowners might have (inaudible). Okay, well I did notice mine's a mixed use, maybe if I knew what mixed use was 1'd feel a little bit better about it and I won't go there to testify. Or, I felt very comfortable just writing my comments and submitting them. You cyan even go through the (inaudible) and explain what the written testimony can be used (inaudible). be Weerd: t don't know. I think that anything that can help reduce your Public Hearing and the amoun# of testimony is good for. (inaudible}. Stiles: We'll be able to tell by the audience at those 2 meetings (inaudible). Maybe there won't be a need to address (inaudible). When you get my memo that accompanies the modifications, it is just kind of a summary of the process. tf you want me to elaborate on some of that as part of your workshop let me know and I can make sure that (inaudible) if you see something else that you want me to talk about because I'll be at both of those meetings and probably have either Brad or Steve with me. (inaudible discussion) Stiles: Yeah. Norton: Shari, I'm not going to be here. 3;~ ~• ,~. tX ~; a~ '- ~nA. I_ ,.~; ..~ f s .r ~~~.,, ~~ ;t ~~~. . _~ ~~~M' ,~ ~y~ ~a _. ~~°- ~~ ~. ~3 ~ ~ '~~5 ,r Meridian City Council / Plannin~l coning Cammissian e Joint worlu3hop/ Meeting May 29, 2001 P~qe 14 Stiles: Oh, your not? Well maybe you need a private meeting at our office to go over some things. Norton: Maybe I do. Yeah. That would probably be good because I will be there the (inaudible). I'm (inaudible) Stiles: Yeah. Why don't you do that. We want everybody to be as informed as they can be. I know a lot of you are fairly new. (inaudible) I mean just new to the process anyway. Nary: I think to echo what Sally said earlier, You know (inaudible). If the presentation (inaudible) tries to incorporate the highlights of what we're talking about. Maybe the 21st talk about (inaudible) the land use map. That (inaudible) the opportunity for questions. That's 2 hours. I don't know if that's too long or too short. That's about 2 hours to try to comfort those things. That might help it along and at least give us some sense of presentation on how you want to structure it. That way on the 21st, we can really hold back on questions and really just ask them on the 21st and concentrate on this. I think this is good because I think that we do want to hear that. It may help with some folks with a feeling like I don't really need to come or 1 just need to come and watch. I don't have any come and participate.l'm comfortable with where this is at or what that looks like. (inaudible) Stiles: These will be available. We're not going to charge anybody for these. We'll just have a bunch of them made just like we did draft plans. They'll be available for anybody to pick up. Also, the report that I'm doing for you will be available. At first we'll (inaudible) to pass those out. We've got such a huge mailing {ist now and it's getting to be kind of a big document of changes #hat we're probably not going to mail all of those out to everybody. Let them know that it's available if they want it. Norton: So, they'll be ready before the (inaudible)? Stiles: Yes. That report to you, you should have in your boxes by Thursday. Norton: Okay. Stiles: What else did I have? Nichols: Is there any possibility this stuff would be pu# in the (inaudible)? Stiles: There is. I don't know how that would translate into a website. (inaudible discussion) Stiles: Yeah. That could be. (inaudible) k.. ~~.; n~~~ _,~Y~t d~ ';i: ~~ t ~~ >~ ~:_ -~`'K .~~~.,~r~.ej ,, ;,; :x _ :-~.~~, ~ 4 ,,_-~. .r ~~ ~ . f 7. _~ ,.:~ :;~ ~ ~ '`=~ ;, .: ~~;_ R;~..w'r -' ~ ~ ~;' =;;7: RAeridian City Council ! Plannin~ Zoning Commission • Joint Workshop! Meeting May 29, 2001 Page 15 (inaudible discussion) Nichols: ®o you have a written statement (inaudible). Stiles: That would be good to have it on P&Z's si#e and WiIPs site. (inaudible discussion) Nichols: That way when your talking about this lengthy report (inaudible). Mostly the developers or Council (inaudible). (inaudible discussion) Stiles: Okay. So, we're good to (inaudible) with the (inaudible). Then the plan (inaudible). I'll kind of go through (inaudible) on June 7~' and if you want more or less. I'll try to make it short and sweet. I'm not about to go for an hour and a half. Cowie: Shorter would be good. A lot of people that came really are thinking about what they're going to say and what they want to get across not what you're telling them. (inaudible discussion) Gorrie: They're going to want to say what they want tai say. They're thinking about how they're going to get it across. That's what I've found. I mean, in 1970 it was 93 (inaudible). They were telling us the things that we already said before hand. (inaudible) Stiles: A designated meeting contact, is that Kendra still at the Statesman? Corrie: Yeah, It's Kendra but she'll -1've got a whole list of (inaudible) on my computer and I'll get it to you. Stiles: We should probably put it on the radio. Corrie: Yeah. (inaudible) (inaudible discussion) Come: and everything for that. I'll just send you over the list. (inaudible discussion) Stiles: We had another item on here. Level of finality of draft plan should (inaudible} ~~z r~~~ , v~ . -~<-;;` ;; ~; ~- n . f: `.ti ~: `~~t{ .~.: ~~, ~ '_ ~- ~yp~.~ ~~_ r: <. ~; y,z~. ~~'4. • T' ~fy,-~ ~_; t-: ¢. >~} ~~ .' : L..~ Meridian City Council / Plannirt~d Zoning Commission Joint Workshgp/ Meeting May 29, 2~1 Page 16 (inaudible discussion) Stiles: The glossary and the definitions and stuff. It depends on their comfort after they see the staff report. If they think we reaAy need to work these over and these policies aren't quite working for us, or need some more action items to really back up this neighborhood center concept. Nichols: Part of Brad's comment (inaudible) as part of the state statute. Stiles: Or the recommendations. Nichols: IT talks about the recommendation for the commission (inaudible) and if the governing body coordinates a material change in the recommenda#ion or alternative options contained in the recommendation then there has to be a Public Hearing. (inaudible) What comes to the Council swill most likely will be with material change or something that could be argued was a material change which would require a second hearing. That's (inaudible) 67, 65 on 9 subparagraph B. Stiles: That's going to be kind of impossible to determine though. Cortie: I don't think (inaudible) get 100 percent. That would be great if ypu did. (inaudible) Stiles: When it goes to the City Council, they're holding a Public Hearing. Bird: Yes. Stiles: Doesn't that count as - Nichols: No. It says further notice of hearing shall be provided (inaudible). Stiles: So, we could give further notice even just before the Council got it? Nichols: No. Stiles: No? It has to go back to P8~Z then? It doesn't say that here. ,.. ~< <<~: ~:;~; ~, ~~ ~~, ~~.> ,q~i :.:. iCgir Nichols: It doesn't say that. (inaudible) If the governing body makes a material change, that presupposes that they've had a hearing and they've decided to make a change. Then they can't adopt that change without further notice. You have your hearing, then the Council say, yes the commission recommended x but we're going to do y. Then they need to have another hearing and I would think you're probably limited to adopting y instead of x. Just a narrow focus area (inaudible). . ~f11~ , i. ~ ~ F x i'2, _ __ _' ~ . t ._ -~ i ~ ~.I~ 'zL ii ?a= ~~ ~,~;;__; -;; r:~, ~. ;, ;,_<a r. {:;. a .:,µ~.. ;~. -~. .:;~s, t~~~F _. ~~' ;; -. ~; Y. ;;~r ;~;~;:° r:y ~;~~~ s _. ~+4~ ~. ,,~~~ ;~;<<~:: ~~}: Meridian City council / Planning~d Zoning Comrnlssion Joint Worl~hop/ Heating Hay 29, 2~1 Page 17 Stiles: So, the Planning and Zoning Commission is really going to have to come up with a pretty definitive recommendation or give them a list of options to choose from? (inaudible discussion) Berg: It kind of depends (inaudible). De Weerd: (inaudible) he thinks it is. (inaudible discussion) Nichols: The easy thing is if you just schedule another Public Hearing, you've precluded an itam for attack. (inaudible) will cure it by having a hearing. Stiles: So, you're not (inaudible) right? Will you be able to get some feed back to us? (inaudible) (inaudible discussion) Nary: (inaudible) probably going to have more. Stiles: I would be really surprised if we got through with the Public Hearing on the 28"'. (inaudible discussion) Stiles: Now, i# we would invite Jim Johnson to be back, (inaudible). We would be done. (inaudible) Bird: i think if you limit your time. (inaudible discussion) Stiles: I guess on the 28~', we'll be able to look at what our ultimate meeting times. Should it be the 28~', 29~', 30~'? We might be thinking about some other good dates. (inaudible discussion) Stiles: Then we can continue it without giving notice though. (inaudible). That's about all we had. Bird: Any questions for Shari? Anything else you'd like to bring up regarding the meeting for the comp? Okay. Planning and Zoning Commission, have you got any other items you'd like to discuss real fast? ~•~ _~~: •4: _.s ~i, ..~, .° ,~ >} ~~~,. .,, f ~, 4~ ~r E ;<. ;?>~~~~ .,w~~ ~; ~ ~~' .. '~~'~Y~~~. -:, ;~: .. fir`. .4a": F >? `:~;~+ .~:,: .. ~ ,. Meridian Cry Cajncil / PNanning oning Commission Joint Workshop/ McHtirtg May 29, 2~1 Page 18 (inaudible discussion) Shreeve: I have a question. This is probably totally an ignorance question. Just kind of being new and the whole thing. ACRD, of course I understand their authority, the roads and everything like that. What authority or influence do (inaudible) recommendations Bird: Don't get me started. (inaudible discussion) Shreeve: Just in my short time - I'm a civil engineer as well. I've got a project being done in the county and I just came from dealing with ACHD totally frustrated. Norton: Hopefully it wasn't in our area of impact. Shreeve: No. k was in Boise. (inaudible discussion) Bird: We really don't have much power at all. Coate: No. We just make recommendations and they just either accept it (inaudible). Shreeve: In my personal opinion, there've been a couple of developers came along. t can't be a traffic engineer by any stretch of the imagination but I haven't agreed with some of the things. Quite frankly 1 think GCHQ is taking the easy way out and really hasn't evaluated the situation tb my satisfaction anyway. Of course I denied the project based on that. I mean there were a couple of other things but that was one of them. I was pretty concerned about a particular intersection. I just (inaudible) ACRD really looked at it. I don't know if that's grounds forme to vote against it. If that's just out of my control or our control. Bird: ACRD, like the Mayor said, we can recommend something. I don't know they just don't seem to look at the impact fees we've paid and see what projects we've got in the city of Meridian. This is my personal saying, the tail don't wag the dog. The dog wags the tail. They're the dog in Ada County. ACRD in Meridian or Kuna or Eagle. '''`End Of Side One*~'* Stites: (inaudible) Was it an intersection that you think that their design criteria was ~,. ~~~~:,_ ry (~i~. -, -. ~ ` ~1. 7 -r., ~. Y ::.::, _ _ .. ~ ~ S ;; :~~ ,~ ~ ~~~, ~~ . -~ Meridian City Council ! Plarming~fd Zoning Commission O Joint VI(ortcshop/ Meeting May 29, 2~1 Page 19 Shreeve: I could give a specific but yeah. They basically, and "tt was just. I guess that point that I took was I just wasn't convinced that it was the best option (inaudible). I guess not to be specific but I guess I'm just speaking generally. Generally speaking, 1 guess it's just up to ACRD. They're human. They're engineers. You know nobody's perfect and sometimes I think that they could (inaudible discussion) Shreeve: -that's right. Don't ge# personal. Brad will sick you right? De Weerd: That's who I was looking at. Shreeve: Sometimes I don't think potentially in the future and it sounds like it's happened in the past that they just really haven't taken our issue to concern like they should. I just (inaudible) any weight (inaudible). Apparently not. Cowie: In all areas, even Boise gets frustrated with ACRD. I know we (inaudible) De Weerd: Mr. President. Bird: Yes. De Weerd: You know I think there are certain things that ACRD cannot ask for. If they're not asking for things that the city feels strongly should be asked that there's nothing wrong with the city asking it. Of course then it has to go back to them and they have to approve i#. If they don't you have to leave clear instructions on if that doesn't happen that is a condition. Therefor it would be denied at that phase. I think that if you feel strongly about something and the rest of the commission does, that recommendation should come forvvard to Council as such. I like you guys have gotten a lot more specific in your conditions and attached to that you know that this is something that specifically the city Council should visit and really highlight that. I don't think there's anything wrong with finding it out and putting it in your recommendations and leaving it up to Council for that final recommendation that based on your position, if it's not agreed upon by ACHD this project will be denied. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Anderson: I have a question for Bill. You know with that last meeting with ACRD or anything tike that. As we're approving projects and the project is on a major arterial or a collector road and we know that that road is going to be widened someday to 4 lanes, 5 lanes or whatever. If we require them to give us an easement, why can't we, or could we start requiring the right-of-way too. I guess I'm a little bit unclear on the State Statute and the taking of law. When you consider that a taking. It just seems silly to me to turn around and grant this project, make him do the easement. Then we've got to turn around in a few years ~w~ , €'; ry~'$( .: ~ ~. _ } i~ 4~ ~'~ Meridian City Coundl / Plannirtg~rd Zoning Commission i M «~~ Jolnt Workshop/ eet ng 2001 M 29 ,.~ ~~+ ay , Pie 20 `` That's part of what holds up some of the roads that we and buy fight-of-way . want to build and widen is because we don't have the money to buy the right-of- way back or it takes longer to save up the money to buy that right-of-way. It would seem easier to go ahead and ask for the right of-way to be donated at the f;`~ time when we're approving these projects. ~;E t r ~, ~~: Nichols: The difference has to do with what is the road. If it's an arterial, (inaudible) should serve more than just that particular project. If it's a collector, if _ `~ :; the need for the collector is generated by the project then requiring the right-of- `~ ~: way donation in connection with that project is not really a taking because it's directly related. It's (inaudible). If it's an arterial on the other hand, maybe it's an 80-acre easement (inaudible) subdivision but it's on Ustick Road so we want to :J } ~~' have enough right-of-way. We want to have that 96-fit wide right 4f-way in that section. It's not that this project by itself requires an arterial It's this project and µ ~ .~,~ several others that would make the need for an arterial. That's why in most - cases, ACRD is buying that extra right-of-way along there because it's an arterial ~-~ nofi a collector (inaudible). That's when you get into (inaudible). We have taken the position that, on annexation and zoning, we can have a whole bunch of conditions that go beyond just the rough proportionality. The carrot that we've ~~ had is City water and sewer. You have to be annexed if you want it. In order to ~= be annexed you have to keep us happy. If you want to keep us happy, you have to meet our conditions. i think when you get to the right of--way for an arterial then '~ ~~' ~ you're really pushing it because it's not so much related to the specific ;.r development as it is to overall things in the city. "= ~ Anderson: Then should we have something in a policy that says on these - projects that are on these collector roads that we ask for that. I know there's been projects on collector roads that we don't ask for it. ~, ,«~ Stiles: Can you think of one in specific. ~~_ `'=~ Anderson: 1 can't think of one right now. Nichols: I thought we'd been pretty good about asking. The key is for ACRD to ' -~ figure out what they need to pay for and what no# to. (inaudible) See how we can ~~ (inaudible) through the conditions of the annexation process. Require aright-of- ~~~~ way without having to give them credits or purchase (inaudible). n ~ ~ ~~ - Anderson: I talked to some people from both Idaho Fails and Twin Falls and they said they've never bought right of-ways yet. That they ask the developers ~" '- - for it. Is it just a difference in how their city attorneys are interpreting that or --? °~ Nichols: I can't answer the question. I'd be glad to talk to somebody (inaudible). #{ ,: Maybe (inaudible) c ~ ~~ ` (inaudible discussion) r .~ j~s `.;A~-„~ i~ ~. ,~-. h ~ ~r ~~: ~, y a ~ ~ ._ ~~ ^„: . , ~., ,. y ~ ~; ~w~, ~x ~ - :.~• ~~~ :;. i.jl~ ,~,, ~«: ~ :~~ ::; .{_ ~~ =~v -~. fa :_ f< ~, },~ ~a~ ~:; ~~; rr.~,,,l!.~ M~a'idian City Council / Planning~fd Zoning Commission Joint wodcshop! Meting Mmy 29, 2~1 Page 21 Nichols: Still the same concept. (inaudible discussion) Bird: Yeah, but you can do a tot more (inaudible). I think you can look at Canyon County and Caldwell anymore. When they want to do something with their streets, they get it done. They (inaudible) they want to do. When you're countywide you don't have that say. You get in line and wait. Nichols: Gary, is Gary still here? Didn't we run into a situation with ACHD? They weren't doing their own traffic studies. They were relying on the developer's traffic studies? Stiles: They still are. Nichols: And that's one of the things, Keven that I think. I don't know the city will have an influence over that but if ACHD will increase their application fees so that #hey (inaudible) the payment and reimbursement of ACHD traffic study. That might be one way of gefiting the information the planning commission and Council need to make a decision. When the developer wants a traffic study that shows a low traffic count, we know who's signature is on that (inaudible). Sfiles: They also have a policy that has driven us insane about the collectors. If they get a traffic study and if the Highway District agrees that it's a collector. Then their policy is that they have to also share in the cost of building that road because it's going to collect so much traffic. Weld, what their staff was instructed to do, and I've learned this form staff that no longer works there, was that they were told to designate them residential collectors. Thereby negating the Highway Distric#'s need to contribute any money towards it. That's why they came up with this new term residential collector. Even though it has the traffic of a full-blown collector, they're calling it a residential collector so they don't have to pay for it. What we've asked the Highway District to do, they said if you've got a thousand homes coming into a square mile make them build a collector. It's their project that's requiring that to be built. A good example is through Woodbridge Subdivision off of Locust Grove. That is eventually connect to Eagle road out there through where the Chevron. It wiH be a collector. There's no way anybody can tell me that's going to have less traffic. Shreeve: So, it's just not done because they don't want to put money into it? Stiles; Right. Shreeve: Can't they, somehow through the impact fees, get that. I mean isn't there - or are they just electing not to do it? ~~~~.-; z~~ „~~,: -o:; ~, x: ~, ~~S . :~:t,r. 1 ~r H r~. Meridian Clay Council 1 Planning Zoning Commission Joirrt Workshop/ Meeting May 29, 2009 Page 22 Stiles: Apparently their policy is to cause them to pay for the additional width of the roadway. Isn't that right Gary? They have to pay for the additional width and the construction of that additional width. That's their current policy. Bird: Don't their impact fees pay for that? Stiles: (inaudible} it doesn't. (inaudible discussion) Bird: 1 beg your pardon, Gary? Smith: 1 believe their impact fees are for widening (inaudible). Stiles: To add capacity. Shreeve: Well, see that's just another example of, in my opinion, ACRD has the authority. Clearly they have 1 guess, it's not right. (inaudible discussion) Corrie: (inaudible) Would that not give the city the authority to say you will have to be part of this cost? Nichols: 1 think that's what we need to explore with fihem. Their nervous about (inaudible) and they were proposing some increases in their impact fees. They had to sole them back because of assault by developers. I mean we can -It's kind of easy for us to say well we're going to do this. You're the one that (inaudible) it's you that could get stuck with the violations of the constitutional and all that stuff. (inaudible). If we can use the, what we have done with annexation is some how help them out. (inaudible) De Weerd: So. Bill are you going to explore how these other municipalities get their right-of-way donated, not just dedicated? Stiles: They don't have Highway Districts. Nichols: Even so, the concept is the same Shari. De Weerd: Yeah. It's still the same and it's something that we could do, that ACHD can't because of their policies. What we can do and not be considered a taking. Then we should be considering doing that. Then I guess at our next meeting with ACHD, I think that's in July, is that when the next one is? Corrie: June the, when is Will, the next meeting with ACHD? It's on the calendar. ~~ ~;~; p .:. s; ,. Meridian City Council ! Planning~rd Zonis Commission Joint Workshy! Heating May 29, 2~1 Page 23 (inaudibte discussion) De Weerd: I guess that's when we can ask them about the collectors and what the difference is and what the developer covers 100 percent versus (inaudible). Nichols: Whoever sets up the agenda with them can ask that they explain the right of-way acquisition policies (inaudible). (inaudible discussion) Qird: Should it be arterials and collectors? (inaudible discussion) Stites: Now they're saying that they can't even (inaudible) the right of-way (inaudible) let alone (inaudible). They don't even have it in their budget to even acquire the right-of-way let alone expand the roadway system. Did they ever get back to you, Keith after you asked them point blank about the impact fees and stuff? Did they get a come back with a report to you on that? They were saying, at fiirst they tried to tail us that they were spending more in Meridian than they collected. I mean, they're not even taking into account haw they're spending their discretionary funds. What are they doing with all the Mures they get? Bird: They give us the 5-year thing. You know they have stuff tike north Locust Grove on the 5-year thing that hasn't even been touched. That's been on the 10- year thing. It's like anything, like any accountant will tell you, they can take numbers. You can do with numbers however you want them to tum aut. It's really frustrating to me though. (inaudible). I think 1999, our one project was the overlay on Ten Mile from Cheny Lane to Ustick. I'm not joking. That's the truth. (inaudible discussion) De Weerd: That's because that's the only thing they've done out here. The only thing they can talk about. Shreeve: So, I take it I'm the only one with the problem with ACRD, right? i (inaudible discussion) Bird: They've got their hands tied a lot like ali people do, like you guys do. (inaudible) De Weerd: Yeah they have their requirements (inaudible). Meridian City Council / Planning Zoning Comm~slon Joint worl~hopl Meeting ~Y 29, 2~1 Page 24 Shreeve: Simply because a development comes in and whatever reason my opinion is that cooks a little fishy. But if they see Steve says they approve it. (inaudible) Bird: Yeah. You know, who are we to argue with them? They're the experts on the roads. De Weerd: I don't see there's any reason why we cannot (inaudible) (inaudible discussion) Shreeve: Of curse that's my opinion, totally unfounded (inaudible). Bird: Have you got any other questions concerning Planning and Zoning? {inaudible discussion) Nary: I just (inaudible) you know feedback for us. There's a lot of project suppose to be approved and denied. We don't always have (inaudible). Denials are always I guess the ones #hat 1 would like some feedback on. Is there something that we didn't cover that we could cover better so that you have better information? Is it something unrelated to our process? That's. what I (inaudible). Something I guess I was just thinking of. VVe see projects and (inaudible) see where it went one way or the other. I'm always curious. Norton: Is there a way that we can get feedback on projects (inaudible)? Onoe we send them on that's it. (inaudible) Bird: All you have to do is get our agenda and Will writes passed or - Nary: I was just curious on a feedback level as to what things process wise that we do that would be either isn't helpful or things that we do that are helpful in whatever your decision that you folks make. We don't hear that part, even if we get a deasion back that says approved or denied. The hotel was a good example, the Ameritel. We had recommended, (inaudible) you folks had also denied it as well. It got a lot of press so that's how we found out what the result was. Just getting the results sometimes doesn't give us any feedback on how we could either improve our process wise. Having shorter meetings would be a number one improvement to our process. Also how the information's gathered. How the information gets transferred. What would be helpful to you in what we do and then maybe we can try to at least make (inaudible}. Anderson: I think the process works fine. I think as a genera; rule, the Council tries to be supportive of the decisions that are made by the P8~. I think occasionally there'll be new information or a different twist or something that might be presented on a particular project when it comes to Council. We may just 'k' ~,~"; ,t ,,~: ~; =s F~ ~ ' ~~- iF ~~ j .~ ~,, ~ ~~ r ~,r, ~, ~~ ~" }L` ;; >;rv ~~~_ Meridian City Council / Planning ~kf Zoning Commission Joint Workshopl Meeting May ~, a~~ Page 25 take a different path than what you guys did.1 think you guys are doing a fine job for the most part. We agree with a majority of your decisions. Occasionally there'll be something that we don't. We're just like you guys, we're human and we're going to make errors and we're occasionally have a little different slant on things than you might. I think aA and all the process works pretty good. Come: Generally speaking, you do great. I think what really hangs the Council is that they get different information than you got. They'll bring something else in. Sometimes we sit there and we say, what's this? Probably, a number of times, we should have just sent it right back to you. They try to save time and time is money to (inaudible). A lot of the things they hear differently than (inaudible). Normally if it's about the same thing, (inaudible) that needs to be done. (inaudible). Anderson: (inaudible) like the Mayor says too. Especially when ifi s denied. They look at the reasons why you denied it. Then they come in loaded with all of their arguments for that particular issue. Sometimes we hear that completely different than what you heard it. Bird: We can tell who walks in here to make a presentation how you guys treated him. If it's a certain lawyer or a certain engineer, we know you weren't too nice. De Weerd: Mr. President Bird: Yes. De Weerd: 1 think you have a good point though Bill. I have heard comments staff said that there's questions as to whether City Council and P&2 are on the same page with things. 1 know that P&Z has gotten a lot better at saying this is not a decision that we can mak®. It needs to be made at Council. That clarity has helped, There are some areas that we set growth priority areas and we are sticking to it. Springdale was probably one. I think you guys passed it and we denied it. It was not in our growth area. You know we just are trying to stick to that plan. That's probably one of the few places we really do not follow the recommendations. (inaudible discussion) Stiles: Maybe you and Ron can fill them in maybe on more the philosophy maybe where you're coming from. I think that Council is sick of seeing 8500 lots everywhere. They want (inaudible) diversity. Somebody comes in (inaudible) 80.00 by 100.00 lots, every lot you can stick them. I think they're just sick of that. De Weerd: I think they are #oo. (inaudible discussion) ti u a r rte" '~ r.: ~'`°_~~' Meridian City Council / Planning'i~d Zoning Commission Joint Workshop! Heating , 2~1 ~29 ~ ~s~, Y. ®e Weerd; One thing that really stands out is with Stanton Island and the one ~~ ~ ~~ on Lpcust Grove. They have their 5 percent open space as a pathway along the ~ ~~'~~~ canal that wasn't going to connect to anything. It was just, kind of their open space stuck in the very back. Then it's like, how usable is that? I mean, it just did _ not fit (inaudible) idea of why you have the open space. (inaudible) Shreeve: I would agree. l think it would be helpful because we are, I guess I see y~ that part of our role is that citizen oversight. I think it would be more helpful to have some recommendations from staff. A lot of times there isn't really a `~~ recommendation. It says it meets the requirement. If it meets the requirement I '" ~~ ~~ ~' have a hard time denying it because that's what the ordinance requires. If the r ~ staff says it isn't usable space and they aren't recommending it. That would be more helpful. That would give us the ability to tell the developer that doesn't work _ for us (inaudible). ~~~~ De Weerd: The staff did tha#. I reaAy like in the Packard Estates (inaudible). ~~~ You know they had some questions on the parking. They had some questions on ~ ~ ~ _ the hours of opera#ion and you sent some of those into us and some of those questions still carried forward and the findings that those were issues that (inaudible). Those recommendations went up too. I like that. I like to see what you don't agree with staff on and that you would like to have that specifically discussed. I don't think City Council should have to rehash everything you've r., `` already hear. You guys do a good job of getting the technical and all of that stuff settles. The only things t believe should come up to us are the items that area ~` ~ There's either a conflict with your opinion and the developer's or still unresolved s.~~~4 ~ - . your opinion and staff or what have you. I would like to see more that be the , . . focus of our hearings. Then we don't get (inaudible) as much as (inaudible). It's just a waste of time. You guys have already done all that. There's no reason why we should do it too. I like that idea if staff could do that. 1 don't see that there should be any reason why staff (inaudible). ;;*;: ;~` Stiles: VNell, (inaudible) we're feeling like we're going to get backed up more by ,~~, ~~ Council too because when you're dealing with annexations it's a whole different ~ ~ ~~~~. ballgame than somebody coming in. They've got the property annexed. it's zoned. They come in and they meet the ordinance. They come in and ask for annexation. Well, is it in the best interest of the City of Meridian? That could -= ~ ~ include a whole lot of other things besides, are their lots 5,000 square foot ` minimum? Are they meeting some of the goats of the Comprehensive Plan by ,;~ ~~ providing diversity? I guess that's where it comes in. The people come in and say ~ well, you've got to approve it because we meet the comp plan and we meet the ~_ ordinances. They can't use that as an excuse because if the city doesn't want it, ~ ~°~ it doesn't matter, we don't annex it. Wichols; Which is why the urban density subdivisions in the county in the area of ~~' -~ impact represent such a threat to our ability (inaudible). It's in those (inaudible). -{~ti 4. ~,. ., 1 ' ~.l ~~ i ~~, - T :' ;'~. .~ n~;, . :-;, - 1 r fly.. : ; .-,, r a ~ << ~.-`. -'.. r- ~: s" ~: ,~ ,,.. :~ c~ ;~~ r ~~_;: f :~~~ ;~~-~ _~ ,~- ~x ~: _:-. .~ `~:a ~~ y .. ~, bap L,, ~,~_~~ ~,.: is ~' ?~ , '`, .~ '>: ,~" .~ .; r'r ~ *' a~, ,t~, ~. ;~.; ~~ 'n~~' Mgrid~n City Council / Planning~ffd Zoning Commission Joint Workshop/ Meeting May 29, 2t~1 Page 27 Try to get that plan (inaudible) would really just say no to (inaudible). One thing that I'd point out is P&Z Commission and the City Council will get enough information to make the decision. The recommendation (inaudible) to the Council. (inaudible) The city is successful (inaudible) All of those things the has been able to show that there was substantial evidence in the record to support the decision. That's (inaudible) The things that you do (inaudible). Anderson: I have kind of a little different slant. I mean 1 look at a project and I say well it may meet all of the city's ordinances but I still don't particularly care for this design. I look at design as kind of more kind of like art. What's appeasing to one person may not be to another. I try to be really flexible with that part as far as, just like the open space and where it's located. I'm kind of like Tammy if that think looks tike there's absolutely no use for it. I mean, you have to somewhat use your own judgement there on those kind of cases. I've denied some that even though they meet atl of our ordinances I just don't like the design of them or the layout or 1 think they could do a better job. That's tough because at that point you're thinking these poor guys, really all they need to do is just tweak a few things but if I deny them, they're going to have to go back through this process again. If you guys would do some of that a little bit more and maybe tweak some of those things. Then they wouldn't even be any problems when they get to us and they wouldn't have to go back through that whole process. 1 guess I'm, 1 differ a IittJe bit with Tammy on the fact that the developer disagrees that he's denied. Then he can come to us and present different arguments. I want to see the developer. I would like to have the majority of the issues ironed out by the time that it gets to the City Council. IF you guys have issues with the project, then i think that developer ought to be in there working with staff to try to get those issues resolved. Then if it's just aclear-cut thing that it won't work. We need a variance for this or that. Not just because they got denied with you guys, oh I'll just fake it to the council and I'll see if I can smooze (sic) them over or something. I'd like to see them work out all those issues. (inaudible discussion) Bird: I was going to say I don't think Planning and Zoning (inaudible discussion) Nary: I agree with what you're saying (inaudible). I don't (inaudible) have enough in them to face that. (inaudible discussion) Nary: That might be something in the long range to took at I do think i#'s very important. That type of clutter is the thing, at least I see the public has the biggest heartburn with. The first thing they don't like is compacted commercial. How many times do we hear I don't want another Fairview Avenue? The next thing r~":'; ~'~~~ ~~;~~. ;; ~1=L. ~~ ~;:;. . fr ,, :~, ,:~ ~~~; ;. ,, -,, ~.- ~;~ . -„ . b ~ ~ <., _~~~ :;'~a .,;. ,~ ~~ ~L ~ ~~ ,F~ ~~: ~~~ F ,.~~ ', 3~. ~~~:~ ~~ ~ v ~;:~ ~~• Meridian City Council / Planting Zoning Commission Joint Wo~ricshop/ Meeting May 29, 2~1 Page 28 that they have (inaudible) the ugly gray buildings. That might be something that Shari's department could work, design districts. De Weerd; I think that Stanton Island or Stanton Park and the Locust Grove one Englewood. With Stanton Park it was (inaudible). Maybe the lot sixes are smaller in Ashford Greens. They were keeping the same lot sizes and having small houses and lower scale. That was complimenting that. In Englewood, they were almost limiting the properly owner next door. What they could really do with their property. (inaudible) There were also other things in addition to that. (inaudible discussion) Nary: I guess the point I hear from developers in all of this right now, there's not a not a tremendous amount of growth in Mer+dian. They've denied a whole lot of them. (inaudible) Anyway, has there been any thought from the Council on the moratorium statute that allows that (inaudible)? The statutory method and to put the developers pff and to allow you the time to get -. I think that's part of the reason that some of these cpncems are out there that the folks have said. I think that (inaudible) there's a statutory method to do that. To hold them off and it's not like their not going to complain but at least you've got the authority to do it. Is that something that you would maybe want to think about. At least save some complaining because it puts everybody on notice, here's the rules. We're going to get this plan passed if it takes us 6 months (inaudible). They're not going to have to pay their fees and get sent back like you were saying and start over again if you deny them. That way you can get on with (inaudible). Nichols: Moratorium is, Bill I can't remember the length of time - Stiles: 180 days. Nary: Not if there's a plan. There's an indefinite period of time if there's a plan. It's a moratorium from development of application that you have 120 days (inaudible) The other code section (inaudible). The legislature assumes that you're going to have a number of hearings in the development of your Comprehensive Plan. It's not the (inaudible). It's an open ended time period. It gives you that authority when you, especially when you develop (inaudible). We may have 4 or 5 Public Hearing on the comp plan. Maybe more maybe less. You folks may have as many or more. So, it might be 6 or 8 months until you get a comp plan you're comfortable with. I think (inaudible). It just makes them angry. That gives you the statutory mechanism in which to do that. Say look we're going to just make you wait. That way, you're not sending them back after their (inaudible) and all this hassle because you really want to make (Inaudible). Anyway, it's just something to think about. Stiles: Well, can Council decide to do that one night. The next morning that it's - ;;~;: Y6~' ,,,((.~}} '' 1~ SK 3 ~. F ~ '` ;' -- . _, . p A' ~~ti. . ~.. `3 .r . __. ~s~.. ::; 'I; ~~7 f?w.r:. !~:1'~. i~:li~. ~.. Meridian City Council ! PlBnning~Rd Zonis Commission Joint Workshop/ Meting May 28, 2<~1 Page 29 Nary: They can decide to do that one night at a hearing and decide if there's enough - Bird: There'$ so many days - Nary: There's still emergency language in the statute that requires that. We looked at that a few months back and some other issues that we had. It's a mechanism to at least look at. There may not be enough information. (inaudible) At least it's an option that would give you the ability to say we're going to hold off on this development. (inaudible} (inaudible discussion) Bird: Any other topics? Anybody else have any other questions? Nary: You guys are looking at the clock. We're used to going late. (inaudible discussion) Bird: But when we don't have to, we're not going to. We meet every week. (inaudible discussion) Norton: (inaudible) this laundry list (inaudible). We haven't gotten to them at all. I thought maybe that's why we're going to 2 meetings a month is so we can have some time to {inaudible). Is there anyway that we can (inaudible). So that we can have time (inaudible). (inaudible discussion) Bird: That's kind of (inaudible) beyond the call of duly. (inaudible discussion) Bird: Yeah. We were hoping the 2 meetings would do that. Stiles: We got kind of fouled up in January because those meetings weren't noticxd. Then we had a big flood of them on the next meeting. That kind of snowballed. Now we're only taking 6 new PubNc Hearings per meeting. If we have a little bit of overflow, we might have 1 or 2 on the second meeting. Hopefully that's going to ease off a tittle bit. Norton: We're still going 13 or 14 Public Hearings per meeting. Stiles: Not new ones. They're continued. ,~„„<~:. Meridian City Council /Planning Zoning CommG~sion ~~ ~, ~~~s kt~ t~~: S -•rt7i ]f- 1~ -; { 3 ~ P k} `~ ~~~ -4 Y ^Yi ~, xf, t'~ ~. ~ ~a.S ":~; ~~; ~~~ ;~ :,; o~~~ 'pF~« doirrt Wormhop/ Meeting May 28, 2~1 Page 3U Norton: Th®re's some of them that are continued. We still (inaudible) Stites: We should not have more than 6 or 7 (inaudible). Is that right Will? the Mayor and I had met on that. (inaudible discussion) Corrie: Not to speak in specific, I'll tell you later. Anderson: You can limit your time frames on Public Hearings. Nampa does it. You can say, we're going to do Public Hearings from 7 to 9:00. Then we're going to do other business after 9:00 or whatever time frame you want to set. You don't have to take the whole meeting and do Public Hearings. (inaudible discussion) Anderson: You can't wai# until you get to the meeting and decide to plan this. You have to notice it properly (inaudible discussion) Bird: Your time limit on your deals will --. I'll tell you what, you limit those people because you'll get people up there and you'll have 5 of them run up there for 15 minutes a piece or you allow. We are bad on that. We allow guys to get back up. Then we spend and hour and 15 minutes listening to something we've heard 2 weeks before from a developer. That's our fault. (inaudible discussion) Anderson: You explain the rules up front and then you follow the rotes. It's that simple. Nary: I think that sometimes if we could remind the folks that every time (inaudible). He gets the last word. The longer you take, he comes back again Bird: Nampa sets a time. I've been to 2 or 3 Council meetings (inaudible). They set a time and they bang through like that. (inaudible discussion) Bird: Base does too? (inaudible discussion) Bird: You guys do that on your Planning and Zoning. Set a time. ~ a~- ~_ ~ } >; y~~:; U, S.1~; F ~~+' v ~ n=. ~7 ~:w; --f ~.~~ .,._~~ ~ ;: . ;;~, { ~~ . ~; u.t~ ~`-~ r .._ :~ ~J .Y~ ' yit t.:,z..ia r .° ~.. „. ~~~ ~ f f ~~~~_ Meridian City Council /Planning and Zoning Commission Joint Workshop! Meting May 29, ZQ01 Page 31 De Weerd: Yeah. Get them trained so - Bird: Before they come to us please. Anderson: The Mayor's too big hearted. He doesn't - (inaudiblediscussion) Bird: We are too. It's not just the Mayor. Norton: He wants to be the good guy. Anderson: He's the controller of the meeting. Come: (inaudible) (inaudible discussion) Bird: w® need to (inaudible) Corrie: There is more than (inaudible). Bird: Any other deals? IF not I'd entertain a motion to adjourn. (inaudible discussion) Bird: All in favor? MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES MEETING ADJOURNED AT 8:OU P.M. (TAPE ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS) APPROVED: G.a4, ~.~ ~~~ ,G~:;~;:,;& fir. ;~_' ~' >, a ~yr.'.;r.F`~ ~~u;', . ,r,,,,,. ', . ,. 1'.,R'. rvar~~.-' Meridian City Council /Planning an3 Zoning Commission Joud Woricstwp/ Meeting May 29, 2001 Page 32 APPROVED: e KEITH BORUP, CHAIR AN r 1 ~`~ ~~ WILLIAM G. BERG, JR., I CLERK 0 Will Berg From: Brad Hawkins-Clark [hawkinsb@ci.meridian.id.us] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 12:22 PM To: Shari Cc: Steve; Sonya; Dave MclGnnon; 'Keith Borup ; 'Will Berg ; 'Shelby Ugarriza'; Tammy deWeerd ; 'Sheri Freemuth' Subject: Comp Plan Dates At last night's P8Z meeting (5-1~, the Commissioners decided on the following dates ngarding the Comp Plan amendment process. I've elaborated on the topics of each meeting a bit, based on the Commission's initial discussion in March. .,-~-. May 29 -Discuss the overall Comp Plan hearing process with City Council at their joint meeting. This will include such issues as: * Hearing location (Cornention Center?, school?) * How public testimony should be received and "managed" (i.e. amount of time allowed per testimony, focusing testimony into geographic areas to r' ,.~ ~~~~ keep it focused, how written testimony will be reviewedCncorporated, ~- ~ f etc.) * Level of presentation detail the Commission and Council expect from 4 Staff at the hearing t * Designated media corrtad person throughout the Comp Plan hearing process * Level of "finality" the draft plan should have before P8Z Commission fon+vards their final recommendation to City Council June 7 -Begin the meeting at 6:OOpm. The first hour (6:00 - 7:00) will be a Comprehensive Plan Workshop for Staff to do an initial overview of the draft and introduce the neighborhood center concept and other significant changes from the June 2000 version of the Plan to the Commission. This workshop will be publicly noticed but no public testiimony will ~ received. June 21 -Begin the meeting at 6:OOpm, if necessary, for another Workshop. Depending on the Commission's level of comfort after the June 7 meeting, this meeting may be necessary to continue an overview of the Plan and allow for more exchange between Staff, SAIC and the Commission. Notice the same as June 7. June 28 -First public hearing on the Comp Plan. Notices for this meeting will, of course, need to include the location, assuming it will not be held at City Hall. (Bill Nary will not be available for this first hearing.) I think that about covers it. Keith or Shelby, please correct me if I got any of these times/dateswrong from last night's meeting. 1 ~~,~.> .. %~' ` ,' . ~,; : ~.~ ~ y.: r,- >~ .~~:~t~,~ . a. ' "11 ~..'. 'C'Y +,< ;~ .,: ,.-s 4. <~ '~:'` p ',%:t;. ~,. _~;_ ~< HUB OF TREASURE VALLEY MAYOR Robert D. Come A Goad Place to Live CITY OF MERIDIAN CITY COUrrCII. MEMBERS Ron Anderson 33 EAST IDAHO Keith Bird MERIDIAN, IDAHO 83642 Tammy deWeerd (208) 888-4433 • Fax (208) 887-4813 Cherie McCandless City Clerk Office Fax (208) 888-4218 NOTICE OF SPECIAL JOINT WORKSHOP MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL 8~ MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION LEGAL DEPARTMENT (208) 288-2499 • Fax 288-2501 PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING DEPARTMENT (208) 887-2211 • Fax 887-1297 PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT (208) 884-5533 • Fax 888-6854 NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the City Council of the City of Meridian . and the Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission will hold a Special Joint Workshop at City Hall, 33 East Idaho Avenue, Meridian, Idaho, on Tuesday, May 29th, 2001 at 6:30 p.m. The Meridian City Council and the Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission will be discussing processes, applications, policies and procedures relating to planning and zoning issues. The public is welcome to attend. DATED this 24th day of May, 2001. f,~~ ~~i 4 r~o = ~ ~ _ a WILLIAM G. BERG, JR. - I CLERK Z ~ n, g '~ a~ a'!',~`r ~FJyd).Sr 1~ t~~gl;3bl~~tt`,~. i? Y~~P 11'~ >r Idaho Statutes ~ ~ o Idaho Statutes TITLE 67 STATE GOVERNMENT AND STATE AFFAIRS CHAPTER 65 LOCAL LAND USE PLANNING 67-6508. PLANNING DUTIES. It shall be the duty of the planning or planning and zoning commission to conduct a comprehensive planning process designed to prepare, implement, and review and update a comprehensive plan, hereafter referred to as the plan. The plan shall include all land within the jurisdiction of the governing board. The plan shall consider previous and existing conditions, trends, desirable goals and objectives, or desirable future situations for each planning component. The plan with maps, charts, and reports shall be based on the following components as they may apply to land use regulations and actions unless the plan specifies reasons why a particular component is unneeded. (a) Property Rights -- An analysis of provisions which may be necessary to insure that land use policies, restrictions, conditions and fees do not violate private property rights, adversely impact property values or create unnecessary technical limitations on the use of property and analysis as prescribed under the declarations of purpose in chapter 80, title 67, Idaho Code. (b) Population -- A population analysis of past, present, and future trends in population including such characteristics as total population, age, sex, and income. (c) School Facilities and Transportation -- An analysis of public school capacity and transportation considerations associated with future development. (d) Economic Development -- An analysis of the economic base of the area including employment, industries, economies, jobs, and income levels. 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(a) The planning or planning and zoning commission, prior to recommending the = plan, amendment, or repeal of the plan to the governing board, shall conduct at least one (1) public hearing in which interested persons shall have an opportunity to be heard. At least fifteen (15) days prior to the hearing, notice of the time and place and a summary of the plan to be discussed shall be published in the official newspaper or paper of general circulation within `~~= the jurisdiction. The commission shall also make available a notice to other papers, radio and television stations serving the jurisdiction for use as a ``' public service announcement. Notice of intent to adopt, repeal or amend the ~~r~~` plan shall be sent to all political subdivisions providing services within the planning jurisdiction, including school districts, at least fifteen (15) days prior to the public hearing scheduled by the commission. Following the commission hearing, if the commission recommends a material change to the - proposed amendment to the plan which was considered at the hearing, it shall give notice of its proposed recommendation and conduct another public hearing `" concerning the matter if the governing board will not conduct a subsequent '~? public hearing concerning the proposed amendment. If the governing board will conduct a subsequent public hearing, notice of the planning and zoning `'~~` commission recommendation shall be included in the notice of public hearing ~~~~~~~ provided by the governing board. A record of the hearings, findings made, and actions taken by the commission shall be maintained by the city or county. 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