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CITY OF MERIDIAN
MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING SPECIAL MEETING
AGENDA
Thursday, October 24, 2002 at 6:00 P.M.
City Council Chambers
1. Roll-call Attendance:
X David Zaremba X Jerry Centers
X Leslie Mathes X Michael Rohm
X Chairman Keith Borup
2. Adoption of the Agenda:
3. Consent Agenda:
4. Plublic Hearing: PP 02-023 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 2
building lots and 1 other lot on 39.23 acres in an R-4 zone for Education
Campus Subdivision by Joint School District No. 2 - 3800 North Locust
Grove Road: Recommend Approval to City Council
5. Public Hearing: CUP 02-035 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for
an educational campus consisting of an elementary school,
charter/professional technical high school buildings, and school
administration center in an R-4 zone for Education Campus Subdivision
by Joint School District No. 2 - 3800 North Locust Grove Road:
Recommend Approval to City Council
Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Agenda -October 24, 2002 Page 1 of 1
All materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian.
Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilities related to documents and/or hearings
please contact the City Clerk's Office at 888-4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting.
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1. Roil-call Attendance:
X David Zaremba X Jeny Centers
X Leslie Mathes X Michael Rohm
X Chairman Keith Borup
2. Adoption of the Agenda:
3. Consent Agenda:
4. Public Hearing: PP 02-023 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 2
building lots and 1 other lot on 39.23 acres in an R-4 zone for Education
Campus Subdivision by Joint School District No. 2 - 3800 North Locust
Grove Road: Recommend Approval to City Council
5. Public Hearing: CUP 02-035 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for
an educational campus consisting of an elementary school,
charter/professional technical high school buildings, and school
administration center in an R-4 zone for Education Campus Subdivision
by Joint School Distrct No. 2 - 3800 North Locust Grove Road:
Recommend Approval to City Council
Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Agenda -October 24, 2002 Page 1 of 1
All materials presented at public meetings shaA become propertir of the City of Meridian.
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Meridian Planning and zoning Commission Agenda -October 24, 2002 Page 1 of 1
All materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian.
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NOTICE OF SPECIAL MEETING
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NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the Planning and Zoning Commission of
the City of Meridian will hold a Special Meeting at City Hafl, 33 East Idaho,
Meridian, Idaho, on Thursday, October 24, 2002 at 6:00 P.M. The Meridian
Planning and Zoning Commission will hold a Public Hearing to discuss the
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CITY OF MERIDIAAN
MERIDIAN PLANNING AND 20NING SPECIAL MEETING
AGENDA
1,_ Thursday, October 24, 2002 at 6:00 P.M.
- City Council Chambers
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David zaremba ___~__ Jerry Centers
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~:: _ X~ Chairman Keith Borup
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`'`= The Special Meeting of the Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission was called to
order at 6:00 P.M., on Thursday, October 24, 2002, by Chairman Keith Borup.
Members Present: Chairman Keith Borup, Jerry Centers, David Zaremba, Michael
`~` Rohm, and Leslie Mathes.
~- Others Present: Bruce Freckleton, Dave McKinnon, Nicholas Wollen, and Sharon
Smith.
Item 1. Roll-call Attendance:
~" X David Zaremba X Jerry Centers
X Leslie Mathes X Michael Rohm
X Chairman Keith Borup
Borup: Good evening, welcome everyone to the Meridian Planning and Zoning
Commission Special Meeting for October 24th, 2002. We would like to begin with roll
call of attendance of the Commissioners. This is a special meeting so we have only two
items on the agenda.
'- ~ Zaremba: Mr. Chairman.
Borup: Commissioner Zaremba.
Zaremba: Would it be appropriate to discuss the minutes of the last meeting, October
17th meeting, or not? Its not listed on the agenda but we all have them.
~`' .~ Borup: No, it isn't. I think we got those minutes after the agenda was set, but we do
have them and they can be added if you would like to.
`' .~ Centers: I have not read them Mr. Chairman.
~~ Item 4. Public Hearing: PP 02-023 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 2
building lots and 1 other lot on 39.23 acres in an R-4 zone for Education
Campus Subdivision by Joint School District No. 2 - 3800 North Locust
Grove Road:
s'~`` Item 5. Public Hearing: CUP 02-035 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for
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a.~ administration center in an R-4 zone for Education Campus Subdivision
by Joint School District No. 2 - 3800 North Locust Grove Road:
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~~~ `~~~ "° - Borup: And you always read them real thoroughly? So lets wait until the next meeting?
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RS project. Public Hearing PP 02-023, request for preliminary plat approval of two building
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'~; by Joint School District No. 2 at 3800 N. Locust Grove Road. And also CUP 02-035,
request for a Conditional Use Permit to add several buildings on the same site. So at
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~.~ s .' get everyone familiar with the location. The area that is bolded in the overhead picture
t' . ~_ ~:: is the area we are discussing tonight for the preliminary plat. The schools would be
~~ ~:' shown on the subsequent slides. The site currently houses the existing Meridian
~., ~u. ,~ Charter High School. This is a picture of the plat. As you can see on the plat, there is
{ ~~ m ~ _`: along the southern boundary, a private road that leads back to the Hollister property.
~~ _` +~~ ~`~ That road will be abandoned. And you can see there is a new Herons Crossing Drive
tom: ~ that runs along the north portion of the property. You can see the existing high school
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._ ~ is a parking lot associated with that. The overall development of this site will also
`'~ ~' ~~'=k~4 r include a school administration building of which we do not have detailed plans at this
~` `~ ~`"~~`~ time. This is a conceptual conditional use permit as well so in the future we will see an
~;~ application come in for the school district building, the administration building. In
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from the record when making a motion tonight. It is explaining a cross access
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Zaremba: Dave, I have been given an October 22"d memo from the Fire Department
which is similar but adds a ara raph eleven.
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McKinnon: That is just fine. The note I refer to is note number ten specifically, it talks
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copies at the staff table. It is just - it would just be in the northern portion, centrally
located adjacent to the phase two parking lot area on the overhead. It would be for a
r~~~' safe house where the Fire Department can bring in elementary age children and other
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~~:.''` all received a copy of the ACHD staff report. In the ACHD staff report, there are two
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things I feel I should point out to you that I feel are of importance. The first would be on
page two of the draft staff report. It would be under item number three. With the overall
"''= build out of this project, there are two intersections that will go to a level service of F,
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schools and we felt as well as the Ada County Highway District that this should not be
~:._ ?~ an impediment to that, but we have to point out to you that this will bring an awful lot of
~~}'~ traffic into this area and will have an effect on the roadways. Then if you could turn to
page ten of the draft report, there is a special notification to the applicant and to the city
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of Meridian. I point this out to you because its not included in our staff report. We do
'' ~` not believe that this is something that necessarily had to come from staff, and we would
n~,;~, like your opinion on this tonight. As you can see, it talks about the internal parking lot
:.. configuration. You will see that if you start on Locust Grove, centrally located running
3 , .; through, that would be uninterrupted access towards the elementary school. Ada
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tonight. We didn't feel that this is something as important enough from staff or that we
r- had enough information on this at a staff level to require any block of that happening.
We feel that this is a site that has adequate access. We feel that cut through traffic will
~' not be something of major concern, however, that is something I wanted to bring before
you tonight in case you wanted to discuss that. With that, I would like to state that the
r';~ City of Meridian is in support of this. We realize that the applicant is under the gun to
":`~" get this done in a quick period of time and we want to support that as much as we can.
~'' I have had discussions with the applicant on the majority of the staff report. They may
have a few comments but I believe everyone is in agreement. It is going to be fast
y''~~ project. They want these schools open next year in the fall. So this is something they
.; J~J are going to have to go like gang busters on. The elementary school site is going to be
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`~ Zaremba: I am not totally clear - I would have some explanation between the
explanation of the difference between a charter school and a normal high school. In the
Comprehensive Plan it states that high schools would be - or a traditional high school
though it doesn't call them that -would be on 55 acres. These don't appear to be going
that way and I could stand some education on the difference between charter and
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~ry,~~ McKinnon: Mr. Chairman, Commissioner Zaremba, I believe that is a question best
`~'° answered by the applicant's representative from the school district tonight. He can jump
`~ : rr on that.
,'4 Borup: Would the applicant like to present their project?
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~5~: Thowless: Mr. Chairman, members of the Commission, my name is Wayne Thowless.
I am an architect with Latham Krohn Van Ocker. We are the architects for the project
~~F~ that is before you tonight. Briefly, relative to charter high schools -charter high schools
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are a public high school that is allowed under state statute. It does not need to meet, by
state statute, all the requirements for a traditional public high school. By state statute,
~'-`~~ the enrollment limit of a charter high school or charter school of any type is 200
students. The existing Meridian Charter High School presently has an enrollment of just
__~ under 200. The proposed second charter high school which will be a separate
autonomous entity from the first charter high school, will also have by state statute, a
maximum enrollment of 200. If the two other proposed charter high schools were
~x~ constructed, maximum high school enrollment on this site will be 800 students. That is
. _ well less than half of the enrollment of a traditional high school like Meridian or
Centennial where the enrollment is approximately 2000. So they are public entities but
there is an independent board that oversees them. They are an independent entity from
the school district. The school districts involvement is that of landowner and building
y~v owners. The facilities are leased to the independent entities that run the charter high
schools. Does that answer your question?
Centers: At tax payer expense?
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Centers: And I think you have missed what I have read, anyway, the real reason for a
charter high school, which I support, is that they specialize in certain curriculum.
Thowless: That is correct.
Centers: What is going to be the specialty here?
Thowless: The existing charter high school, Meridian Charter High School, their
°'~ curricular focus is computer and communications technology. The charter high school
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Thowless: I think Mr. McKinnon did a good job of giving an overview of the project, the
two requests before you tonight. But I would be happy to entertain any further
questions for further clarifications with regard to design issues or platting issues. We
also have a representative from J-U-B Engineers here tonight to answer technical
questions regarding the platting.
Borup: Questions from the Commission?
G> Zaremba: I do have a couple. The new drawing that was just given to us, indicating a
possible location for satisfying the Fire Department request for another educational
facility. You are in agreement with that, or you provided that?
`;~• ~: Thowless: We prepared that drawing ourselves. We and the school district are in
support of that request. We believe it w ill b e a good compliment to this educational
campus.
'`.'~ Zaremba: This may be too early in the planning process to ask this question, but would
it be just as useful to face it on this parking lot and not have the access from the street?
Thowless: I don't know if we, or the school district has a strong position on that. I think
~• ultimately it needs to be where the Fire Department thinks it is most appropriate, given
5"~: that it will be a facility that they run and operate. Thoughts on that, Wendell?
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~`' Zaremba: Let me ask one more question while you are on - on the Fire Department,
the newest Fire Department memo was October 22, 2002. They added a paragraph
eleven which was the request that you provide Opticom sensors at the - I imagine they
are talking signalization at Heron. Is that something you are agreeable to?
Thowless: To be honest, I don't know what Opticom sensors are.
Zaremba: It is something that allows their truck to change the light - an exciter kind of
thing that allows the truck to change the signal in their favor.
Thowless: To my knowledge there will not be a signal initially anyway at that location.
But I don't think the school district would have a problem with that upon such time that
one is developed.
Bigham: Mr. Chairman, Commissioners, two points of clarification -Wendell Bigham,
Meridian School District Supervisor of Facilities and Construction - a quick comment on
the Opticom. We entrust ACHD to determine where lights are appropriate and what
type of infrastructure needs to go into those lights. We are in support of the Fire
<4~ Department's desire to have the Opticom system put in. But that is a piece that is
partial to the highway district's signalization. So we are not opposed to that requirement
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~::: ti:; road. So at this juncture, we are in support of that position. Second thing I would like to
~ i`~ clarify briefly is the request by the Fire Department for the Fire Safety learning center.
~~ : ~~- This has come about very very quickly. This is before you tonight -please consider it
~~:,~ informational at this time. Monday night, the 28~', we will run the flag up the pole, if you
~G . will, with our board of trustees and seek formal blessing to continue that discussion. So
.~ rather than come back after the fact, please consider it as somethin that administration
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~~~ ~° center to be put in. So approval tonight needs to reflect that our trustees have not acted
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Borup: Wendell, any comments on the ACHD report?
~' ~ Bigham: Commissioner Borup, no. I have not particular case of heartburn on the
• P ACRD report. The only comment, and I think Wayne will address this in greater detail,
v ~` is whether or not the road will generate cut through traffic. It is a valid point, and we
"r ` would like to reserve t he right to consider that piece of road as we look at buildings
number three and four. But the point is well taken and is one we talked about. So we
w~ ; are pretty flexible with that. It is just that as those exact projects come in we would
Y`~ evaluate that. But other than that, no.
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°~~`'~ Borup: Thank you. Was there anyone else from the applicant at this time? Okay. We
would to open up at this time for any public testimony, questions or comments. Do we
r: have anyone here who would like to testify on this application? If so, come forward.
Moyer: My name is Jim Moyer, it doesn't show up there, but we are the eighth house
v~' from Locust Grove on the right hand side that borders the property under consideration
tonight. I guess one of the comments we would like to make is that originally we
-'~ understood it was going to be a campus situation for the zoning. Now it looks like it will
'~w be fire, elementary school and campus. If the specialized campus has four subjects
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high school. We are concerned with the - we wrote a letter in the first zoning process,
gathered signatures from most of the citizens on the northern border of that property,
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~,,:: created by this development. Also there is a Nourse Lateral that goes through, quite a
sizable ditch that goes, that is the property division between the school and the citizens
°`'' on the north. So we certainly would like to see something done in the way of tiling or
covering that ditch. We are concerned about noise. Certainly not too enthused about
~~<~~`_' watching school kids all day long. You know there is going to be a lot of activity and
guess I am concerned tonight about expansion of the original plan and also the
`'~~ involvement of the Fire Department. (Inaudible) another project where the Fire
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~~:~: there for the Fire Department. So those would be my concerns at this point.
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'~' Zaremba: Let me clarify the Fire Department involvement in this. They requested that
they be given an area to be built something like a home into which they can take
%_-< children for educational purposes about how to respond in case of a fire. This is not a
~_''` really, even though the Fire Department wants to operate it, it is a not a fire building.
` They won't be practicing - I am sure they won't light it on fire in order to tell kids how to
respond, i t i s j ust an educational facility f or c hildren. N of a n active F ire D epartment
thing.
``~ Moyer: They are planning a Fire Department house across the street, a couple hundred
yards away from this facility, so -
_~ McKinnon: Mr. Chairman, members of the Commission, and I am sorry, I didn't catch
your name - ~
_a>~ Moyer: Jim Moyer.
McKinnon: Mr. Moyer. The building that they are going to be building, is where they
are actually going to g et the building to be placed here. The existing manufactured
Y'~ home that is on the Locust Grove site where they will be building will be transferred to
this location, modified to meet ADA standards and be put on a permanent foundation
and landscaped at that location.
Zaremba: But I think the question that the general public doesn't have the details of
>h, what that facility will be. I can see that there would be some misunderstanding that this
is going to be a forty foot tower where the Fire Department is going to practice their -
'~-~~ Moyer: There is considerable activity in their education process -
Zaremba: But that is not what this facility is - it is to explain to children how to respond
in case there is a fire in your house.
Moyer: And will this involve other schools other than this one?
Zaremba: I am sure they will bring them in from other schools.
Moyer: So it seems to me there will be quite a bit of activity and scheduling for that.
Centers: Mr. Moyer, regarding your comment on the ditches, that is a requirement staff
has made to have those tiled. L
Borup: Is there concern about access to the water in the ditches?
Moyer: Well, there is a diversion for the subdivision. It would be at the northeast corner
_= of where our subdivision is supplied with water.
Borup: That will stay, that will not be interrupted.
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~`;~ Moyer: My concern was with the Nourse Lateral, it's quite a sizable ditch.
Borup: Right and also there will be a solid fence along that boundary. Six foot cedar is
what they are proposing on the plan along the whole boundary here. Here is a copy of
the fire project if you are interested, take that and show the others if you would like.
`~~ Moyer: Thank you.
Borup: Any other questions from the Commission?
~~ Centers: Just one other thing for Mr. Moyer, the way the Fire Department states that
~~_ building - it says a site for public safety education center. If we act on this, they will be
-s~ held to that verbiage.
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Moyer: I think that is quite broad. Personally I think it is quite broad.
Centers: A public safety education center. Depends on how you want to interpret that
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Borup: Thank you. Do we have anyone else?
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Steinbach: My name is Joe Steinbach. I live in the Heritage Subdivision. I am
concerned - we are on the north side - my family as well as these other people. Kind
of repetitive of what Mr. Moyer talked about, but I would start off with the inadequacy of
the road. You talked about ACHD and maybe kind of an inappropriate comment at this
time, but I thought maybe they were going out of business. But the road surrounding
the schools and all the schools in Ada County have been inadequate. This will be just
another inadequate road. When you first put this project in, you didn't have sewer and
water out there, but we were able to get them out there during this speed up process of
getting this charter school going. Which was quite a bit of a disappointment to me.
These are my tax dollars and their tax dollars that we are spending. And my income
level isn't as high as most of you guys that are paid public officials and I am not.
Zaremba: We are all volunteers sir.
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Steinbach: Anyway, I feel that these roads are extremely inadequate. Not only in this
target area, but also the rest. But the point being this situation right here. As far as the
extra bells and whistles with the Fire Department to getting there, that is more of my
money spent. When I went to school, they told us what to do in the even of a fire. So I
don't understand why we have to have a fire training facility now on this campus, which
was just to be a charter school, and now we are going to have a fire charter training
area. That is my comment on that.
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Centers: Let me interrupt Mr. Steinbach. I thing the theory is, there is going to be a lot
F;;= of students right there that they can bring to that building. The Fire Department, correct
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f ~< me if I am wrong, but I think that is the theory. I have seen this from the applicant. You
~` ~ have a lot students right there, it just makes sense to have an education center right
r ~~'- there at no cost to the students. They have the building now, they just want to move it.
.T: But go ahead, I am sorry to interrupt you.
~' ` = Steinbach: How much training do you need to get out of your home in the event of a
fire?
Centers: Well, I happen to be an adult. Some children need more training.
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Centers: Depends on the parent.
Steinbach: Point in case, I oppose the fire system.
-~ Centers: I see that.
Steinbach: Mr. Moyer talked about a fence. You have proposed a cedar fence. I would
request and some of these others, if there was a berm, that seems to be popular break
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~~~" for the noise pollution that we deal with. I would propose that to be of consideration as
well as a chain link fence and have that -where they put those bars in. What do you
call those bars in between?
~.~ Borup: You mean slats?
Steinbach: Yes. It seems they withstand the weather, the environment, they are easily
~~ repaired. Most of the wood, cedar fences, in a few years tip over and lean and require a
~r. lot more repair. So if this project is to go through, that would be my proposal, as a
request to you folks to please take into consideration.
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Steinbach: I am at 2065 Paradise Lane.
Centers: Am I getting warm or cold here?
Steinbach: Ninth house on the right hand side.
Centers: You are right in here.
Steinbach: That is correct.
Centers: Then the other individual Mr. Moyer is -
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_ - Steinbach: He is my neighbor. Then there is another neighbor a few houses down. It
ask was brought possibly to our attention that someone had requested an access from
Heritage Estates to access the school properly. Is that correct or incorrect?
McKinnon: M r. C hairman, members o f t he C ommission, l a m not a ware o f t hat, b ut
Wendell is signaling that he has some information concerning that. He can address that
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~~~ Borup: Okay, we will get an answer on that. That has not come to the city Mr.
k~ Steinbach. That request has not come to the city, sounds like someone has contacted
. the school district with that though. We will find out. Do you have a comment on that?
Steinbach: Like I said, it was mentioned to me that there was a possibility of a request
from someone or someones in our subdivision who would donate an access from the
3'' Heritage Estates to go into the school.
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Locust Grove -probably the reason for that request?
Steinbach: Yes. I would think.
Borup: We will find out about that. Thank you. Do we have anyone else who would
like to testify? Mr. Bigham, do you have some information on that?
Bigham: Commissioner Borup, a point of clarification, and I can't remember the lady's
name but she lives in the subdivision. I will say in the center lying eastern side,
somewhere i n t here. S he c ame i n i nquiring a bout t he s chools, t he I ayout, a nd t hen
brought up the discussion about the walking distance from the older subdivision to the
north o nto the school campus a nd wanted t o know how we had p rovided f or t hat in
newer platted projects. I told her we try to coordinate access in a plat into a
neighborhood. She asked if we would be interested in one into this subdivision, and
said absolutely yes, through support of the neighborhood. So what I left her with was
that if any of the property owners that are in houses five through nine or ten that come
onto the site of the school -yes, somewhere in that vicinity, if by some mechanism the
homeowners or a homeowner had a piece of land, I will say eight to ten foot wide, that
we could go in with a ten foot piece. We would put in a ten foot sidewalk and set the
chain link fence at nine feet and generally throw some landscaping on the homeowners
side and ask them to maintain it. To provide pedestrian access. We are nowhere
requiring that of the neighborhood, but if the neighborhood or someone felt that that was
advantageous to them, we would gladly work with that property owner or homeowners
association to acquire that land and construct that if that opportunity should present
itself to us.
Borup: So essentially you are saying the school district is open to that and they will put
it in, and you said landscape on both sides?
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property o caner w ho i s w filling t o s tep u p and c ontribute? We a re n of g oing o ut a nd
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slats out and they never look as good as the first 30 days they are put in. Our standard
fence as you are well aware is a six foot high chain link fence and I think we could look
}~;v.~, at those areas where slats would be appropriate. To fence the whole area off, I would
~ - like to reserve the right to consider that because we kind of create a concealed corridor
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Borup: As long as it's a six foot fence?
N_ McKinnon: We typically like to see something that is screened, site obstructing on
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- is not a berm proposed. One concern I would have with a berm, that is going to be
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Moyer: Commissions -Jim Moyer. I could envision something in the type that Lowell
Scott has along the highway, where the berm is offset from the fence a bit. Then the
fence is in better soil. I think the concern here is the property line as we know it, is right
- in the middle of that Nourse Lateral. If they the that -
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54' that is correct. But the site plan we have -well actually yes, right now it shows it about
about five feet from the fence. Then as it goes past the grade school, it cuts down on -
<~ right now its shown coming to this point and then crossing here and then the lateral
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Zaremba: I see Bruce nodding his head also.
Borup: Thank you.
Freckleton: Mr. Chairman, members of the Commission, the sewer will traverse down
the right-of-way and it will be fairly deep. It wouldn't be a problem, would not conflict
with the irrigation.
Borup: I was going to ask - I am thinking about this berm. Jim I may have another
question on this berm. If you have a fence there at grade and then put a fence along
side it, that enables the kids to stand on the berm, look over the fence and -which
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`` Borup: There is -David, would you put the landscaping design up again please?
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Freckleton: One other thought that popped into my mind. If you have a fence on the
downslope side, these folk's side of this berm -
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`- Freckleton: You are creating an area where kids could hide back there - or whatever
s ~',~ could go on on the backside of that berm. Just something to think about.
~= Borup: I think that is probably part of the concern about having a hidden area. Did you
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McKinnon: Mr. Chairman, members of the Commission, Wayne just brought to my
attention, a section of code that talks about cyclone or chain link fencing. It is in the
~~~ landscape ordinance and justifies the reason why the school district requested initially
`' " the wood fence. It has to deal with the fact that between land uses, it specifically
f ' prohibits chain link fencing. However, because we are dealing with a planned
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development. They have requested this approval as a conditional use permit for a
"`=' planned development. In addition to that, if the buffer material is requested by the
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~~- '~ are covered in both directions to say that people have asked for the chain link with slats,
w ''t the school district would like chain link with slats. So the buffer is agreed upon and
` ` ~' ` should be something other than wood is appropriate. Through the PD process, when
you make your motion tonight, please make sure there is a specific motion to allow for
that through the PD process.
~~ Borup: Thank you. Are those trees specified in the landscape ordinance or is that a
draft? The spacing looks a bit closer than even required by ordinance.
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Borup: Any discussion between the Commissioners? i'
~- Zaremba: Let me just clarify what we are being asked here. The preliminary plat is for
~~ the lots and the buildings we are approving tonight are the elementary school and the
second charter school. At this point, not officially approving arwy other buildings? Giving
the applicant of whether we agree or not.
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Borup: And is that also correct, David, that they are looking at a build out in 2012?
McKinnon: That is a projected build out, I don't think that is something we should tie
into an approval -
_~ Borup: That is something they are estimating, depending on growth?
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McKinnon: Growth is playing a big factor and one other thing to add too, that we need
to discuss a bit tonight, and I think we have discussed a few times tonight already,
would be the fire department request. You may want to make a specific finding or
~~~~ condition concerning that. I should add at this point, that Brad Hawkins-Clark and I had
~' some discussions today a bout h ow to h andle t he fire d epartment b uilding. Typically
when we deal with an educational campus, if we deal with an elementary school, a
junior high school, middle school -when someone wants to bring on a modular home,
we handle that as a staff level approval because its part of the educational campus and
`~ was already approved. We believe that this is something that would be best handled on
a staff level approval, and that when you make a motion tonight, you may want to
include that this be allowed through a staff level process rather than come back to you
at a separate time through a conditional use permit.
Zaremba: I probably wouldn't expect the Fire Department to conduct training in there at
'~ ~ 10:00 o'clock at night but should we ask for a limit on hours of operation so that the
<>~ neighbors are only disturbed mid-day?
'`' '` McKinnon: Mr. Chairman, Commissioner Zaremba, educational facilities such as
elementary schools, the high schools, typically are not prohibited from being used at
~~'~ different times or at night. If there an educational program that takes place at night, it
. may be the appropriate time to do that. Limiting it at this point without knowing their
~; curriculum or what type of services they will be providing I believe would be
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Borup: A ny a ducation u se w ould b e i nside t he b uilding p robably. Did t he a pplicant
have any final comments or anything? I think we have covered things as we went
along.
Thowless: Mr. Chairman, members of the Commission, just a couple final items and
then Mr. Bigham has a couple last comments also. With regards to the proposed
landscaping along the north boundary, we are proposing a variety of trees. Some
deciduous and some evergreen. We believe that what we have proposed is in keeping
with the requirements of the city's landscape ordinance. I just wanted to clarify that it
would be a mixture of species. Some would be green and provide screening year
round. Others would not. That is a very long property line a we feel variety is important
as opposed to one line of the same species.
Borup: These are the evergreen here, and deciduous here?
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~~~ Bigham: Wendell Bigham again. Mr. Chairman, Commissioners. Point of clarification
b~~ as to what the district understands the Fire department is going to propose Monday
night to our trustees. That it is in fact, I will call it the double wide trailer house - that is
r;F currently sitting on the proposed fire station site on Locust Grove. North of us here.
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Parking for three to four cars and possible one fire truck. The training is school districts.
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~ ~' good neighbor. Geographically this is a good location for central services for both the
school district, as an area that encompasses outside of Meridian City. Also,
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F'' ~ facility. Specifically as I understand it, it is fire safety training for K through 3rd grades.
They come in a bus from various schools. They are there fora 20 to 30 minute period
t', of time where they are educated with everything from dealing with grease fires to
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} '' cooperate with them to provide a geographically central cost effective utilization of both
our resources. So we are not sure quite what that partnership looks like. But that is
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R McKinnon: Mr. Chairman, members of the Commission, I have a question for the
~~` applicant. Wayne, can I get you to come up to the mike for a second? Bruce just
~~~ brought up a good question that needs to be answered while we are still in Public
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west, going east, there is a 30 foot wide -it's the Nourse Lateral, I am guessing its
_ Settlers Irrigation District. You show an awful lot of trees in that easement. Have you
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believe that we situated - (***End of Side One***) the easement for the Nourse Lateral
{`~~"~ ten f eet off the p roperty line so that the trees could be p lanted o n the edge of their
Y °~ easement and not encroach within it. Is that what the plat you are looking at indicates?
~° ~< There should be ten foot strip of land and then the 30 foot easement. ~'~
Borup: Our site plan indicates that, but he is looking at the landscaping plan I believe.
Freckleton: Wayne, does the piped ditch run on the north boundary of that 30 foot
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'~,F Thowless: No, the actual pipe would be located more or less centered in the easement.
Y .: ~:; Zaremba: So it's like 25 feet from the property line, the center of the pipe would be -
a' Thowless: That is our intent, correct? Yes.
Borup: Do you know what size that pipe is?
Thowless: I believe its 24 inch.
Borup: That is what I would have estimated. Why do they need a 30 foot easement for
a 24 inch ditch?
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Thowless: They are also requiring a paved access lane from East Heron's Crossing
along the north, on that portion of the easement that runs along the north side of the
elementary school. A grass playfield is not sufficient access apparently.
Freckleton: Mr. Chairman. Wayne, scaling this and looking at it, the piped ditch is ten
'~" foot from your north boundary. Then the 30 foot easement starts from that point and
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-~ Borup: While they are looking at that, any discussion from the Commission? Before we
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Freckleton: Mr. Chairman, it appears that there is a graphical error on the preliminary
~~ plat map. The applicant's engineers' representative has indicated that the north edge of
c- the easement will be ten foot from the property boundary. The ditch as piped would be
~'` an additional 15 feet or centered in the 30 foot easement. So it would be 25 feet from
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Borup: Plenty of room for landscaping and trees.
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~~ Borup: Mr. Bigham indicated that he -well if I understood him correctly, he felt that its
'~ ,~ better discussed when they plan on doing those next phases because that is when it
would apply.
Centers: And I don't think they want the cut through traffic any more than ACHD or
anyone else. I would like to move we close the Public Hearing.
Zaremba: Second.
Borup: Motion and second. All in favor? Any opposed?
'~ MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
~`Y~ Centers: Mr. Chairman, I have a question for our assistant city clerk, Sharon. How
many letters went out to neighbors on this project? I couldn't find it my packet.
~ Smith: If you will give me just a moment, I would be happy to take a look.
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Centers: And I guess while I have the microphone, there are subdivisions to the north,
to the south, to the east and to the west, all over the City of Meridian, are requiring this
,'4~ Commission to look at something like this application. We need schools. We didn't ask
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for the schools, they are required. The new high school on Overland. A beautiful site.
Traffic is going to be horrendous. But I understand that the ACRD realized that when it
F.°~~ went in. Now its set for widening I think, getting a shake or two of the head, I think it
should be completed by 2004.
Zaremba: Starting in the 2003 plan.
n~" Centers: It won't be completed when the high school is open, guarantee that. Which is
the fall of next year. I live in a neighboring subdivision, and I am thrilled, you know,
thinking boy the traffic is going to be severe. But the City of Meridian, growth, schools,
have to put up with it. If I don't want to put up with it, I have to move. I am happy
presently where I am at. As far as traffic, I totally agree with you. It is going to be bad.
~':,` But I have to think, the roads will come, the widening will come, as it always does. The
development has to happen first then the roads come to them. That is the nature of the
~'' ballgame. They can't put the roads in first and then hope to sell the land to a developer
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~'w~~ or a school district. So I think we need to move forward and get it moving so we can
x;~ ~ add some more schools. How many letters Sharon?
~'' Smith: Commissioner Centers, we had sent, on October 4~', fifty-one mailings to
surround property owners.
~:,:;:~ Centers: Single family homes.
Smith: Fifty-one individual addresses.
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Centers: You know the reason I wanted to see that was that I think we have five or
maybe four homeowners here. That is my point. Thank you.
Smith: You're welcome.
i `~;~ Borup: Comments from anyone else?
Centers: No comments, I want to make a motion here. This applicant and these
_~~ • citizens deserve all the time we can give them and should give, but there is a game.
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And I am a Giants fan. So I would like to make a motion that we approved PP 02-023,
_` ,= Request for Preliminary Plat approval of two building lots and one other lot on 39.23
acres in an R-4 zone for Education Campus Subdivision by Joint School District No. 2,
located at 3800 North Locust Grove. Including all staff comments and under preliminary
5 =' plat site specific on page three, strike item two. Fencing referred to shall be chain link
4~r, with the I believe they are plastic shielding material -slats. And I think a good non-
e offensive color, maybe green, I don't know. Including Fire Department comments -
..~ their comment number ten they would like to enter into a discussion and I don't think we
'N' have any problem with that. I don't have any problem with staff approving their proposal
'` if the school district and the city fire department work together on that. The school
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path. Is that the best way to describe that? And we are taking them at their word that
they have had one contact from a homeowner, I would include that.
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motion. Regarding item ten on page ten of the ACHD report. I agree with the school
district that they be allowed to address the cut through traffic in the parking lot as the
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Rohm: I will second that.
Borup: Motion and second. Any discussion? All in favor? Ayes. Any opposed.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Borup: That was the motion on the preliminary plat. We do have one more. You did
kind of combined -
"~ ~ Centers: The fence was not in the CUP, that was the plat. No I didn't really combine
~~`'~ ~" them. I would like to recommend approval to City Council for Item Five, CUP 02-036,
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elementary s chool, a charter p rofessional / technical h igh s chool building a nd s chool
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Zaremba: Second.
Borup: Motion and second. Any discussion? All in favor? Any opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Borup: Thank you. Thank you everyone who was here. So the fence was changed to a
chain link. We have one final motion.
Zaremba: Mr. Chairman, I move we adjourn.
Mathes: Second.
Borup: Motion and second to adjoum. All in favor? Ayes.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Borup: Meeting adjourned at 7:00 p.m. Thank you.
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 7:00 P.M.
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P P 02-023
MERIDIAN PLANNING 8~ ZONING MEETING October 24, 2002
APPLICANT Joint School District No. 2 ITEM NO. 4
REQUEST Public Hearing -Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 2 building lots and 1 other
lot on 39.23 acres in an R-4 zone for Education Campus Subdivision - 3800 North Locust Grove
AGENCY COMMENTS
CITY CLERK:
CITY ENGINEER: See Attached Comments
CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: See Attached Comments
CITY ATTORNEY
CITY POLICE DEPT: See Attached Comments
CITY FIRE DEPT: See Attached Comments
CITY BUILDING DEPT:
CITY WATER DEPT: "Ok per Meridian VYater"
CITY SEWER DEPT: No Comment
SANITARY SERVICE: No Comment
MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT:
MERIDIAN POST OFFICE:
ADA COUNTY WIGHWAY DISTRICT:
CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: See Attached Comments
NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: No Comment
IDAHO POWER:
US WEST:
INTERMOUNTAIN GAS:
OTHER: See Settler's Irrigation District Comments
Contacted: Date: Phone:
Materiels presented at public meetings shall become property of the CHy of Meddtan.
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CUP 02-035
MERIDIAN PLANNING i~ ZONING MEETING October 24, 2002
APPLICANT Joint School District No. 2 ITEM NO. J~
REQUEST Aublic Hearing -Request for a Conditional Use Permit for an educational campus
consisting of elementary school, charter/professional technical high school buildings, and school
district administration center in an R-4 cone for Education Campus Subdivision -- 3800 N. Locust GrovE
AGENCY
CITY CLERK:
CITY ENGINEER:
CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR:
CITY ATTORNEY
CITY POLICE DEPT:
CITY FIRE DEPT:
CITY BUILDING DEPT:
CITY WATER DEPT:
CITY SEWER DEPT:
SANITARY SERVICE:
MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT:
MERIDIAN POST OFFICE:
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT:
CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH:
NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION:
IDAHO POWER:
US WEST:
INTERMOUNTAIN GAS:
OTHER:
COMMENTS
See Attached Comments
See Attached Comments
See Attached Comments
See Attached Comments
°Ok per Meridian Water"
No Comment
See Attached Comments
See Attached Comments
No Comment
Contacted: Date: Phone:
Materials presented at pubUe meetings shaft become property at the City of Meridian.
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