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1. Roll-call Attend
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ING AND ZONING REGULAR MEETING
AGENDA
March 20, 2003, at 7:00 P.M.
ity Council Chambers
O David aremba X Jerry Centers
X Leslie athes X Michael Rohm
X Chairman Keith Borup
2. Adoption of the Ag
3. Consent Agenda:
`~' aring from February 6, 2003: AZ 02-031 Request
4. Continued Public H'
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for annexation and oning of 39.05 acres from RUT to R-8 zones for
proposed Castlebro k Subdivision No. 2 by Crestline Development,
~'- LLC - 4000 West Pin Avenue, east of North Black Cat Road and south of
West Cherry Lane: ecommend Approval to City Council
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I 5. Continued Public H aring from February 6, 2003: PP 02-032 Request
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proval of 148 building lots and 9 other lots on 39.05
ra- acres in a proposed -8 zone for proposed Castlebrook Subdivision No.
~~. 2 by Crestline Devel pment, LLC - 4000 West Pine Avenue, east of North
; Black Cat Road and outh of West Cherry Lane: Recommend Approval
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6. Continued Public H aring from March 6, 2003: RZ 03-001 Request for
:>~t a Rezone of 6.95 a~ res from L-O to L-O and C-G zones for Mallane
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Commercial Compl x by The Land Group, Inc. -north of East Fairview
Avenue and west of North Eagle Road: Recommend Approval to City
~~ Council
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aring from March 6, 2003: AZ 03-003 Request for
'f ~' annexation and zon ing of 14.31 acres from RUT to R-8 zones for
~; proposed Timberfall Subdivision by Dan Wood -south of East Ustick
Road and west of N rth Locust Grove Road: Recommend Approval to
_ City Council
Meridian Planning and ~ Wing Commission Agenda -March 20, 2003 Page 1 of 2
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acres in a proposed -8 zone for proposed TimberFalls Subdivision by
Dan Wood - south q East Ustick Road and west of North Locust Grove
Road: Recommend pproval to City Council
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230 West Pine Ave
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Sheridan - 230 West
2003 Meeting
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for proposed Paran
Meridian Road and
2003 Meeting
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building lots and 37 c
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13-003 Request for a Rezone of 0.35 acres from R-
Merlyn Schmeckpeper by Merlyn Schmeckpeper-
ue: Continue Public Hearing to April 3, 2003
~ 03-006 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a
approximately 30 children in a proposed O-T zone
Amy by Sharon O'Toole and Debbie and James
Pine Avenue: Continue Public Hearing to April 3,
03-006 Request for annexation and zoning of
~ and R-1 zones to R-8, R-40, L-O, and C-G zones
nt Subdivision by Paramount, LLC -west of North
th of West McMillan Road: Renotice for April 17,
04 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 764
lots on 392.17 acres in proposed R-8, R-40, L-O
ed Paramount Subdivision by Paramount, LLC
- west of North M~ridian Road and north of West McMillan Road:
Renotice for April 1 , 2003 Meeting
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Planned Developme
270 apartments, con
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Paramount, LLC -
McMillan Road: Ren
03-008 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a
for 764 single-family residences, 73 townhomes,
unity center, schools and churches in proposed R-
zones for proposed Paramount Subdivision by
sst of North Meridian Road and north of West
ice for April 17, 2003 Meeting
Meridian Planning and oning Commission Agenda -March 20, 2003 Page 2 of 2
All materials presented public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian.
Anyone desiring acco odation for disabilities related to documents and/or hearings
please contact the City Cle 's Office at 888-4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting.
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~~:`~ Thursday March 20, 2003, at 7:00 P.M.
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~`"~ 1. Roll-call Attendance:
{ ~.. ® David Zaremba ~_ Jeny Centers
~~:~ ~ Leslie Mathes ~T Michael Rohm
Chairman Keith Borup
~`" ` 2. Adoption of the Agenda:
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~{ _ 3. Consent Agenda:
K ~ ? 4. Continued Public Hearing from February 6, 2003: ~ 02-031 Request
-,,; for annexation and zoning of 39.05 acres from RUT to R-8 zones for
~'" proposed Castlebrook Subdivision No. 2 by Crestline Development,
:;< LLC - 4000 West Pine Avenue, east of North Black Cat Road and south of
;j West Cherry Lane: ~~,C®~n,rv~e,rn d~, ~pQ~-~v~,l ~-o ~ ~~
5. Continued Public Hearing from February 6, 2003: PP 02-032 Request
for Preliminary Plat approval of 148 building lots and 9 other lots on 39.05
'~" ''~ acres in a proposed R-8 zone for proposed Castlebrook Subdivision No.
x"~`}5 2 by Crestline Development, LLC - 4000 West Pine Avenue, east of North
r Black Cat Road a d south of West Cherry Lane:
6. Continued Public Hearing from March 6, 2003: RZ 03-001 Request for
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a Rezone of 6.95 acres from L-O to L-O and C-G zones for Mallane
~: ~~ , . Commercial Complex by The Land Group, Inc. -north of East Fairview
Avenue and west f North Eagle Road:
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annexation and zoning of 14.31 acres from RUT to R-8 zones for
~_ = proposed Timberfalts Subdivision by Dan Wood -south of East Ustick
~'`' Road and west f North Locust Grove Road:
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~ " Preliminary Plat approval of 50 building lots and 6 other lots on 14.31
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°~- Dan Wood -~s^ou_th of East Ustick Road and west of North Locust Grove
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~~ Meridian Planning and Zoning Commis on Age d -March 20, 2003 Page 1 of 2
AN materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian.
Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilitles related to documents and/or hearings
:, _ - please contact the City Clerk's Office at 888-4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting.
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9. Public Hearing: RZ 03-003 Request for a Rezone of 0.35 acres from R-
~ -" ~ 4 to O T zones by for Merlyn Schmeckpeper by Merlyn Schmeckpeper-
230 West Pine Ave ue:
~~ ~ 10. PubNc Hearing: C P 03-006 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a
~~ „ Child Care Facility for approximately 30 children in a proposed O-T zone
for Sunshine Academy by Sharon O'Toole and Debbie and James
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r Sheridan - 230 West Pine Avenue:
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`' '`~ ` 11 acres from RUT and R-1 zones to R-S, R-40, L-O, and C-G zones
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for proposed Paramount Subdivision by Paramount, LLC -west of North
Meridian Road a d north of West M Milian Road:
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Public Hearing: PP 03-4 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 764
~' building lots and 37 other lots on 392.17 acres in proposed R-8, R-40, L-O
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-west of North Meridian Road nd n rth of West McMillan Road:
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`:'~ 270 apartments, community center, schools and churches in proposed R-
x~:F<~~ 8, R-40, L-O and C-G zones #or proposed Paramount Subdivision by
Paramount, LLC -west of North Meridian Road and north of West
~_ McMillan Road:
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1. Roll-call Attendance:
''~ O David Zaremba X Jeny Centers
X Leslie Mathes X Michael Rohm
X Chairman Keith Borup
2. Adoption of the Agenda:
3. Consent Agenda:
'' 4. Continued Public Hearing from February 6, 2003: AZ 02-031 Request
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LLC - 4000 West Pine Avenue, east of North Black Cat Road and south of
,;'"~ West Cherry Lane: Recommend Approval to City Council
~,~ ` 5. Continued Public Hearing from February 6, 2003: PP 02-032 Request
=1 ~ for Preliminary Plat approval of 148 building lots and 9 other lots on 39.05
~.` acres in a proposed R-8 zone for proposed Castlebrook Subdivision No.
~``'' 2 by Crestline Development, LLC - 4000 West Pine Avenue, east of North
"~' Black Cat Road and south of West Cherry Lane: Recommend Approval
.: to City Council
6. Continued Public Hearing from March 6, 2003: RZ 03-001 Request for
~~--r: a Rezone of 6.95 acres from L-O to L-O and C-G zones for Mallane
'' ~" Commercial Complex by The Land Group, Inc. -north of East Fairview
~_ : Avenue and west of North Eagle Road: Recommend Approval to City
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;: Council
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7. Continued Public Hearing from March 6, 2003: AZ 03-003 Request for
~>~ ` annexation and zoning of 14.31 acres from RUT to R-8 zones for
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"~ Road and west of North Locust Grove Road: Recommend Approval to
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City Council
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Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Agenda -March 20, 2003 Page 1 of 2
All materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian.
Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilities related to documents and/or hearings
please contact the City Clerk's Office at 888-4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting.
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Preliminary Plat approval of 50 building lots and 6 other lots on 14.31
'`{ `~ acres in a proposed R-8 zone for proposed Timberfalls Subdivision by
Dan Wood -south of East Ustick Road and west of North Locust Grove
Road: Recommend Approval to City Council
~YT;~ 9. Public Hearing: RZ 03-003 Request for a Rezone of 0.35 acres from R-
' 4 to O-T zones by for Merlyn Schmeckpeper by Merlyn Schmeckpeper-
- 230 West Pine Avenue: Continue Public Hearing to April 3, 2003
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~'-~ ~ Meeting
ti 10. Public Hearing: CUP 03-006 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a
Child Care Facility for approximately 30 children in a proposed O-T zone
for Sunshine Academy by Sharon O'Toole and Debbie and James
~~~ Sheridan - 230 West Pine Avenue: Continue Public Hearing to April 3,
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2003 Meeting
11. Public Hearing: AZ 03-006 Request for annexation and zoning of
397.11 acres from RUT and R-1 zones to R-8, R-40, L-O, and C-G zones
:r- for proposed Paramount Subdivision by Paramount, LLC -west of North
Meridian Road and north of West McMillan Road: Renotice for April 17,
_~, 2003 Meeting
'~ 12. Public Hearing: PP 03-004 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 764
{`" building lots and 37 other lots on 392.17 acres in proposed R-8, R-40, L-O
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~'~'~` and C-G zones for proposed Paramount Subdivision by Paramount, LLC
- west of North Meridian Road and north of West McMillan Road:
'~ ~~ ~ Renotice for April 17, 2003 Meeting
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..y~ Planned Development for 764 single-family residences, 73 townhomes,
270 apartments, community center, schools and churches in proposed R-
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8, R-40, L-O and C-G zones for proposed Paramount Subdivision by
~'~~ Paramount, LLC -west of North Meridian Road and north of West
McMillan Road: Renotice for April 17, 2003 Meeting
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Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Agenda -March 20, 2003 Page 2 of 2
All materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian.
Anyone desiring acxommodafion for disabilities related to documents and/or hearings
please contact the City Clerk's Office at 888-4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting.
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~~ ~ MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING REGULAR MEETING
'_.k AGENDA
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Thursday March 20, 2003, at 7:00 P.M.
G_+'; City Council Chambers
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~~~ 1. Roll-call Attendance:
David Zaremba Jerry Centers
Leslie Mathes Michael Rohm
~~ Chairman Keith Borup
~~ 2. Adoption of the Agenda:
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3. Consent Agenda:
4. Continued Public Hearing from February 6, 2003: AZ 02-031 Request
'~~ '' for annexation and zoning of 39.05 acres from RUT to R-8 zones for
proposed Castlebrook Subdivision No. 2 by Crestline Development,
LLC - 4000 West Pine Avenue, east of North Black Ca# Road and south of
West Cherry Lane:
r- ~= 5. Continued Public Hearing from February 6, 2003: PP 02-032 Request
~~~ for Preliminary Ptat approval of 148 building lots and 9 other lots on 39.05
acres in a proposed R-8 zone for proposed Castlebrook Subdivision No.
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` 2 by Crestline Development, LLC - 4000 West Pine Avenue, east of North
~ Black Cat Road and south of West Cherry Lane:
` 6. Continued Public Hearing from March 6, 2003: RZ 03-001 Request for
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; a Rezone of 6.95 acres from L-O to L-0 and C-G zones for Mallane
~~~r° Commercial Complex by The Land Group, Inc. -north of East Fairview
~'{"s Avenue and west of North Eagle Road:
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Continued Public Hearing from March 6, 2003: AZ 03-003 Request for
~~ ~ annexation and zoning of 14.31 acres from RUT to R-8 zones for
proposed Timberfalls Subdivision by Dan Wood -south of East Ustick
~' Road and west of North Locust Grove Road:
fr}=' 8. Continued Public Hearing from March 6, 2003: PP 03-002 Request for
~' Preliminary Plat approval of 50 building lots and 6 other lots on 14.31
acres in a proposed R-8 zone for proposed Timberfalls Subdivision by
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~~: Dan Wood -south of East Ustick Road and west of North Locust Grove
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4 to O T zones by for Merlyn Schmeckpeper by Merlyn Schmeckpeper-
s` ~' 230 West Pine Avenue:
~: 10. Public Hearing: CUP 03-006 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a
~~`' Child Care Facility for approximately 30 children in a proposed O-T zone
for Sunshine Academy by Sharon O'Toole and Debbie and James
Sheridan -230 West Pine Avenue:
11. Public Hearing: AZ 03-006 Request for annexation and zoning of
397.11 acres from RUT and R-1 zones to R-8, R-40, L-O, and C-G zones
for proposed Paramount Subdivision by Paramount, LLC -west of North
`~~{~ Meridian Road and north of West McMillan Road:
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12. Public Hearing: PP 03-004 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 764
building lots and 37 other lots on 392.17 acres in proposed R-8, R-40, L-O
and C-G zones for proposed Paramount Subdivision by Paramount, LLC
-west of North Meridian Road and north of West McMillan Road:
13. Public Hearing: CUP 03-008 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a
Planned Development for 764 single-family residences, 73 townhomes,
270 apartments, community center, schools and churches in proposed R-
8, R-40, L-O and C-G zones #or proposed Paramount Subdivision by
Paramount, LLC -west of North Meridian Road and north of West
McMillan Road:
Meridian Planntrtg and Zoning Comm~sion /agenda -March 20, ZOai Page 2 of 2
All materha~ presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Mwldlan.
Anyone desirlrtg accommodation for dlsabilitles related to documents and/or hearlr-gs
please tmntact tl~e City Clerk's Office at 888-4433 at least 48 hours prior to the pubic meetlr~.
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** TX CONFIRMATION REPORT **
AS OF MAR 20 '03 22 41 PAGE.01
CITY OF MERIDIAN
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17 03/20 22 28 Laurel EC--S 00' 44" 002 026 OK
18 03/20 22 29 208 38? 6393 EC--S 00' 44" 002 026 OK
19 03/20 22 31 ADA CTY DEUELMT G3--S 01' 16" 002 026 OK
20 03/20 22.32 CHERRY LANE EC--S 00' 5?" 002 026 OK
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CITY OF MERIDIAN
MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING REGULAR MEETING
AGENDA
Thursday March Z0, 2003, at T:00 P.M.
City Council Chambers
1. Roll-call Att®ndance:
0 David Zaremba ~_ Jerry Centers
Leslie Mathes ~~ Michael Rohm
~_Chairman Keith Borup
2. Adoption of the Agenda:
3. Consent Agenda:
4. Continued Public Hearing from February 6, 2003: AZ 02-031 Request
for annexation and zoning of 39.05 acres from RUT to R-8 zones for
proposed Castlebrook Subdivision No. 2 by Crestline Development,
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Meridian Planning and Zoning Meeting March 20, 2003.
The regularly scheduled meeting of the Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission was
~'~~ called to order at 7:00 P.M. by Chairman Keith Borup.
Members Present: Chairman Keith Borup, Commissioner Jerry Centers, Commissioner
~~-~~ Leslie Mathes, and Commissioner Michael Rohm.
~~j`' Commissioners absent: Commissioner David Zaremba.
Others Present: Bruce Freckleton, David McKinnon, Jill Holinka, Jessica Johnson,
Sonya Allen, and Dean Willis.
~~~~ Item 1: Roll-Call Attendance:
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-`~ O David Zaremba X Jerry Centers
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X Leslie Mathes X Michael Rohm
_~ X Chairman Keith Borup
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~ ~ Borup: Thank you for your patience, ladies and gentlemen. We had a few items we
~'`~ needed to clarify. We'd like to open our regularly scheduled meeting of the Meridian
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Planning and Zoning Commission for March 20~'. Start with roll call of Commissioners.
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~` ' Item 2: Adoption of the Agenda.
y~''~: Item 3: Consent Agenda:
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~'' ~ Boru I'd like to discuss, first, that of ado tion of the a ends.
Centers: Mr. Chairman?
Borup: Yes.
Centers: I would like to move that we move Items 11, 12, and 13 to be acted on first on
our agenda and move all other items down.
~'"`~ Borup: Okay. Thank you. And that's what I wanted to hear.
Rohm: Second that.
Borup: Motion and second. All in favor?
MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
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„~~ Item 11: Public Hearing: AZ 03-006 Request for annexation and zoning of
397.11 acres from RUT and R-1 zones to R-8, R-40, L-O, and C-G zones
i'~` for proposed Paramount Subdivision by Paramount, LLC -west of North
Meridian Road and north of West McMillan Road:
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~~~ ~ Item 12: Public Hearing: PP 03-004 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of
764 building lots and 37 other lots on 392.17 acres in proposed R-8, R-40,
L-O and C-G zones for proposed Paramount Subdivision by Paramount,
t;. LLC -west of North Meridian Road and north of West McMillan Road:
Item 13: Public Hearing: CUP 03-008 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for
`~>:' a Planned Development for 764 single-family residences, 73 townhomes,
270 apartments, community center, schools and churches in proposed R-
8, R-40, L-O and C-G zones for proposed Paramount Subdivision by
Paramount, LLC -west of North Meridian Road and north of West
McMillan Road:
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~~~, Borup: I don't know if we need to do that. The problem with Paramount is it has not
had legal notification. The applicant has, of course, requested that if we could open it
~''~" and continue it, rather than re-noticing, but along that line, also, is the opinion of our city
attorney, which is probably something that we need to take a serious look at their
advice, s o, J ill, w ould y ou I ike t o p ut s ome i nput on w hat t he c ity o ffice - -attorney's
office recommends?
'ice"- Holinka: Yes. Members of the Commission, I have spoken with Nick Wollen, who --
`j'" and Bill Nichols, who also do work on city matters. They both have agreed that in lieu of
opening the hearing for minimal testimony tonight, that it would be in the best interest of
t,.: the city to not open the hearing at all, properly notice the hearing for a date at least as
~~ ' late as April 17th is probably the earliest date that it would be able to be properly
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Centers: Mr. Chairman?
'~ Borup: Commissioner Centers.
'`~- ~ Centers: And just coincidentally, (noticed this evening before I left, April 17th we had,
as of right now, no items on our agenda. In my box, anyway. But I would like to move -
~Y - make a motion that we postpone Items 11, 12 and 13 -- do I need to read each issue?
Holinka: Yes. I think that would be --
Centers: Item 11 would be the Public Hearing AZ 03-006, request for annexation and
-~' : zoning; item ~i c, rr u3-uu4, request ror preliminary pia a~~rvvai, ai w ~ ~c~ ~ ~ ~ o, ~~r- ~~-
~~``'~ 008, request for a Conditional Use Permit. I would make the motion that we postpone
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~~ Rohm: I'll second that.
Borup: Motion and second. Any discussion? All in favor? Any opposed? Thank you.
MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Borup: I might mention the other item on the agenda was some zoning amendments for
~{ ~ that night. We thought we would have a short night and just cover amendments, so I
guess that solves that short night problem. Well -- and those will be coming, I'm
assuming. I don't know if there are any questions from anybody in the public, but the
~`' ~ meeting will be noticed for April 17th.
Item 4: Continued Public Hearing from February 6, 2003: AZ 02-031
"w~„ Request for annexation and zoning of 39.05 acres from RUT to R-8 zones
_ for proposed Castlebrook Subdivision No. 2 by Crestline Development,
`` ` LLC - 4000 West Pine Avenue, east of North Black Cat Road and south of
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~~~'~~~' Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 148 building lots and 9 other lots
<a=: on 39.05 acres in a proposed R-8 zone for proposed Castlebrook
'''`''y` Subdivision No. 2 by Crestline Development, LLC - 4000 West Pine
~'~; . Avenue, east of North Black Cat Road and south of West Cherry Lane:
Borup: That brings us to the next item, which is a continued Public Hearing from our
February 6 meeting. This is a request for annexation and zoning of 39 acres for
Castlebrook Subdivision and also the request for preliminary plat on the same project.
I'd like to open both these continued hearings at this time and I think this was continued
``x because of the question on serviceability of sewer, mainly. We have a new staff report.
Is there number some additional things you'd like to add, Mr. McKinnon?
McKinnon: Yes, Mr. Chairman, Members of the Commission, I do have a few things to
add, if it would be okay at this time. Just to take care of a little bit of paperwork, if you
guys could just go to your staff report, there is a few things that need to be changed.
'~ < Upon making revisions by the -- the applicant making revisions to the plat, we have now
increased the subdivision from 148 lots to 158 -- 150, excuse me. The eight jumped out
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at me, one hundred fifty, rather than 148. So, if you could make that correction for when
you make your motion tonight. It's now at 150, rather than 148. And the second
~' ` paragraph of the applicant -- the application summary, still on a page one, it says that
'' ' the single family lots within the subdivision range from 6,000 square feet to
approximately 12,400 square feet and that's inaccurate. The lots are, actually, a
minimum 6,500 square feet. Lots 12, 13, and 14 of Block 9 are incorrectly labeled as
_ being 6,000 square feet. The dimensions are 65 by 100, but they have shown the lots
;;~~ as being 6,000 square feet in size, so the math doesn't add up. That's something that
,.x the applicant will have to revise, at least prior to the final plat.
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~- Centers: Are there lots 12,400 square feet?
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McKinnon: I think there is --there is one that's 12,430 --
Centers: Okay.
~1.:~~ McKinnon: -- square feet. If I could get you to turn to page six of the staff report. I'm
~~ z~- going to address the additional considerations with the block length. It states in the first
~=.T sentence that Blocks 3, 8, and 4 of the proposed subdivision exceed the maximum
"~' 1,000 foot block length. Please add Block No. 9 to that as well. On the second
,_, sentence it says Block 6 and 7 do not meet the minimum block length of 500 feet.
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e, Please add Block No. 10 to that as well. And this will need to affect one of the -- one of
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~~ the site specific conditions of approval, but I will get to that. All of these blocks will need
~~ - a variance. If the variance cannot b e o btained, the applicant will be responsible f or
~',- revising the plat. Down to the pathway and foot bridge at Ten Mile Creek. The
4, ro osed athwa it oes throu h talkin about afive-foot athwa it should be in
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~, a~ width and it's not shown to be on the MMID property or on the applicant's property at
this time. The revised plat does not show this. The applicant has stated -- and he's
~~` willing to address this tonight, the fact that Nampa-Meridian Irrigation Department -- or
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District has stated they will allow a pathway on their property and I will have him
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address that. Down to the issue of connectivity under additional considerations of the
~'''~ final p ortion o f t he a dditional c onsiderations, p lease s trike t hat entire c omment. The
~'~ applicant has provided the new street connecting Scott and Andover Court through
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~;~ Block 9, so, please, strike that. Page eight. In the site specific conditions of approval,
~~,,y Item No. 10 needs to be revised to be -- to read that drainage shall -- must be designed
~H` to insure that water is retained only during a 100 year -- not a 25 year as indicated.
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~''° That needs to be revised to 100 year. Item No. 14. This is the one that I mentioned
' "'~ earlier that would be reflective of the block lengths and the wording on that would need
r' ~ to be revised to state that the applicant is responsible for obtaining a variance for all
~ - seven of the blocks that have been mentioned and that if a variance cannot be obtained
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~~. from the city, the applicant shall revise the plat to conform with the Meridian City Code.
Centers: So, excuse me, Dave, would it be -- would it suffice to just say: Or obtain a
variance prior to City Council?
McKinnon: Yes.
Centers: Okay.
~,~= McKinnon: That makes it a lot easier. Down to general comments, number five,
~~ ~~ irrigation ditches, laterals, canals, exclusive natural waterways, just to point out that that
Fk;~~ excludes the Ten Mile. They are not going to be required to the the Ten Mile. Those
are the major changes that I had for you. This is a revised site plan that you have not
yet -- that you didn't deal with at the last hearing. This is a revised site plan. If you
~--f ~ remember, there was a small knuckle at this location and there was a cul-de-sac that
~~ ~ came back to here and they have added the small street for some additional
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interconnectivity through the subdivision. As I stated before, they are not showing the
~_~ pathway on their property, they are showing it on Nampa-Meridian Irrigation District's
property. One of the questions that I'd have for the applicant and for the Commission is
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-- to be answered tonight is when the pathway should be completed, prior to what point
~`T" of occupancy of the subdivision, and when you guys would like to see written
authorization from Nampa-Meridian Irrigation Department, if you'd like to see that before
~~`~ you pass this along, or if that would be something before the City Council. I have
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~~~- staff report to say that we are certain that we can provide sewer for this property and
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anything you want to add to that, Bruce? If you have any questions of staff at this time
"~~`~' we will take those and turn the time back over to you.
Borup: Questions from any of the Commissioners? Okay.
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F.: Borup: Thank you. Does the applicant have anything they'd like to add?
Amar: Good evening, Commissioners. My name is Kevin Amar. Address 114 East
Idaho, Suite 230, here in Meridian. Unless the Commission desires, I will just address
the comments from staff. I don't know that we need to go over the whole project again.
'`~~7 Borup: That's what we desire.
Amar: Okay. This project at the previous hearing there were concerns with respect to
_,; sewer and water. Bruce addressed those. We do have those issues resolved. We met
with the engineering department and we can abide by the Commission -- or the
conditions. We understand we will have to pay the 1,500 dollar Black Cat sewer
extension fee and that's something we also understand and we will do. With respect to
some of the questions that were brought up tonight for the pathway, this pathway -- this
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`~~;> property along the Ten Mile Drain is, indeed, owned by the Nampa-Meridian Irrigation
A'`` District. We did approach the Nampa-Meridian Irrigation District and they told us they
'`_°"` would get us a letter and we haven't received that letter yet, but their concern was that
we would build a pathway at a minimum of 16 feet off the top of their bank, so they can
still travel and maintain that drain. We told them that would not be a problem and that
-' we would maintain any spoils that they place up on that. So, the effect to them is
nothing. The effect to the subdivision and the surrounding neighbors is that it cleans up
~~~r~ the area and it provides a nice amenity for those neighbors. We will be providing a
y.~ pathway to connect with the park -- Fuller Park across the Ten Mile drain. That pathway
-- all of these pathways would be built, the subdivision will be phased in accordance
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with the fire department phasing and I suspect it will be something of this nature in order
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``" to have the two points of connectivity and each portion of this pathway that is in that
r ; phase, if there is two phases of the pathway, it will be built during that phase or at least
that's our proposal. I think those were the issues that were brought up by staff. The
variances -- we have submitted for a variance. On some of these we did provide --
_ actually, this lot -- or this block and this block needs a variance because of the
connectivity of those two streets. We have submitted for a variance on some of them
and, apparently, we omit a couple of the blocks on our variance. We will revise that and
~~ make sure that it does get in for the City Council meeting. I believe staff can -- or is
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willing to support this request for a variance. We have met with them and discussed our
~° ~ options and what we have before you, between us and the staff, I think is the best idea.
With that, unless there are other questions, I will stand for any questions. Ms. Wildwood
is here to address the -- I think you saw it the last time, but the housing -- or lot sizes in
comparison w ith o ther s ubdivisions, i f t hat's s omething y ou want t o s ee a gain, t hat's
something we are more than happy to do. It's up to you.
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Centers: This is a foot bridge you're talking about?
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`~~`' Centers: In my notes it says it's going to be replaced with aculvert. -
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pedestrian traffic across there.
,~:~ Centers: Okay.
Amar: But there will be a culvert.
~~~ ~ Centers: You didn't address staffs comments as to when you think that pathway should
be completed.
Amar: The pathway -- it's our intent that that pathway will be completed during that
phase of construction.
~~~~ Centers: Which phase? The first phase?
Amar: The phase that -- our first phase, most likely, will be in this area and that is to
deal with connectivity, having the two points of access. This pathway will most likely be
in the second phase. So, in the second phase that pathway would be built, constructed,
and we are happy to build it during the course of construction, obviously, weather
permitting, for the landscaping and the pathway. If we can pave the streets, we can
pave the pathway. So, that is something that can be addressed.
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Centers: So, what you're saying is you don't want to do the pathway until you start on
T the second phase of construction -- or second --
Amar: I want to do the pathway when that portion of that phase is adjacent to the
pathway. I guess if the -- if we do this -- let's assume we just split it down the middle,
we will develop half the pathway and, then, the next phase we will develop the other
. half. ~
~~~ Centers: So, when you're selling lots up in here, you expect to have the pathway done?
s ~~~ Amar: Yes, sir.
Centers: Okay. And what's that block number?
-~~~ Borup: Four.
Amar: Block 4.
Centers: Block 4. Okay.
Borup: So, the pathway will be done adjacent to the lots?
~'~'"` Amar: When the lots are for sale, the pathway will be done.
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Amar: Orin the process of being completed will be bonded for. Yes.
Borup: Well, yeah, the normal --
Amar: The normal procedure. We do not want to do construction behind houses while
people are living there. That creates a nightmare for everyone, I think.
Centers: Thank you.
~;~~ Amar: Thank you.
Borup: Any questions from any other Commissioners?
"~ McKinnon: Mr. Chairman? Mr. Chairman, I have a question for the applicant. Mr.
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;~„:~ Amar, on the maintenance of that pathway, is the maintenance going to be handled by
the homeowner's association?
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Amar: Yes, sir. The maintenance of that pathway and any spoils that will be placed
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there by Nampa-Meridian Irrigation District during the normal course of cleaning will all
``_`~ ~'"~ be handled by the homeowner's association.
~_~~ ~~ McKinnon: Okay.
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`~~~`°~'k Centers: Mr. Chairman, one other question, and I slipped over that, Dave. Thank you.
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So, you have read the staff comments and, of course, heard their revisions and you're in
~~~':~ total agreement with all their comments, I take it?
~„ Amar: Yes.
'~ Centers: And requirements and conditions of approval?
;,~.=' Amar: Yes, sir.
~'' Centers: Very good.
Borup: Thank you.
Amar: Thank you.
~~` Borup: Do we have anyone else to testify on this application? Okay. Any other
additional questions? Okay. Come on up, sir.
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Glines: My name is Mark Glines and I live across the street there at -- across the street
at Parkside Creek. I still have a couple of questions. Bruce, can you tell me what size
the sewer drain is that this is going to drain through? You said you had worked out the
~~ sewage. What's the size of the line that it's going to go through?
Freckleton: There are eight inch main lines that it's going to drain through. There is a
21 inch sewer interceptor line that is -- that comes from the pump station that is
currently at Coral Creek Subdivision. There is going to be a new regional lift station put
in up in the corner.
=~: Glines: When is that lift station going to be put in? Let me be blunt. I heard some
`` ` rumors that the capacity -- the sewer line capacity is not up to what it needs to be and
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~' `~` that a lot of additional capacity needs to be finished before this subdivision can have
proper flow. Told that it's enough just for the Coral Creek division and not much for
~'~`~' more than that.
Freckleton: This developer will be working -- as part of their design, they are going to
be going through and if upgrades need to be made to the lift station at Coral Creek, they
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will be making those u pgrades, as f ar as if they have to upsize pumps, t hey will be
doing that.
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~ Glines: Oka At the last meetin the last hearin ou talked about how there is
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t~ Freckleton: It will be -- the line that you're talking about is the Black Cat Sewer Trunk
"-~"""' Line is what we call it. It will be going through the development and it will be following
t~ *~Y the road alignment. It does not go along -- right along the creek.
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~ Glines: At the last hearing it was going to go along the creek. That's the way it was
~~. ~: ' explained. Okay. So, it's going to -- so, in other words, the 21 inch line that comes out
~~ ~~-' of Coral Creek is going to follow under some of the existing streets that are coming in --
"'°~°~~ Freckleton: Proposed streets.
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-: ~~~; Glines: Especially in number one?
,~ Borup: Mr. Glines, I'm not sure where you're going with this. What's your concem?
`.~ Glines: Well, my concern is I don't want to see what we said last hearing was that there
was going to be that 21 inch line going down along the ditch.
', Freckleton: That's not going to happen.
Glines: Okay. Because if that was going to go down along the ditch, then, we are going
to have the whole area torn up twice. Okay. That place gets torn up, gets torn up, gets
torn up --
Borup: Well, that 21 inch line is going in whether this subdivision goes in or not.
Glines: Okay. Well, Ijust -- the comment being is that that line was going to have to go
through t hat a rea t hat was g oing t o b e i mproved a nd, t hen, i is g oing t o g et t orn u p
again, then, we have it torn up twice and that is a negative impact on the Parkside
Creek neighborhood.
{ Freckleton: I think it is important to point out that that 21-inch line will go in, more than
`~ likely as part of the subdivision. It will go in at the same time. That is if -- if their phases
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march along, you know, prior to the city taking the project on.
Glines: Okay. Where is the irrigation water coming from? Do you know where that is?
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_~~ Borup: We need to -- let's get a list of your questions and, then, we will get some
answers.
Glines: Okay. Well, I'd like to know where the irrigation water is coming from. I talked
~~'~~~ with Nampa-Meridian and they tell me that there is not enough water available there for
~:~; that development, unless some additional capacity -- some substantial additional
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Borup: It's being irrigated now, isn't it?
Glines: It's the applied from the south end and the water supposedly is supposed to be
coming from the pump up between Coral Creek and Pintail.
Borup: Okay.
`'"~ Glines: One of the things is I'm working with the Parks Department such in trying to get
the t rail along T en Mile and T en Mile improved and cleaned up and every effort we
make to try to do something is going to have to -- is going to get undone by things that
have to get done later on. It's like you put in a new street and the next week somebody
comes in and starts digging up the sewers. It was nice to have a new street, but now
~a we have got sewer -- sewer digs all over the place. And so the idea is to bring it up, so
''" that we can get these things done in a comprehensive way, so that it's done once and
we have a nice result, versus done a second time and we have half baked result.
Borup: Okay. We will find out where the irrigation water is coming from.
`~~~ Glines: From what Nampa-Meridian tells me, there is not enough water coming out of
that -- out of the line that would come -- I thought the line was going to come down from
*i`` the Black Cat side through Castlebrook, over to Castlebrook II, but Nampa-Meridian
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tells me there is not enough water capacity that direction.
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Borup: Any other questions?
Glines: Okay. The other question is what do we know -- how do we know that the
~'_~ pathway that's going to be on the development side of Ten Mile is going to be
maintained by the homeowner's association? Is there a license with the parks
department? Is there a license with the irrigation district?
Borup: We will get that answered, too. Right now it's part of the covenants of the
subdivision and it will be maintained by the irrigation district -- or by the -- maintained by
the homeowner's association.
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{, Glines: My point being that when Corey Barton took over 40 lots for Coral Creek, his 40
~ ,~k, lots, his 1.4 million dollars, bought out the CC&Rs for Blackstone.
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°~ quorum in himself to change all the CC&Rs and so I'm concerned that we have
~' maintenance lined up in such a way that if it turns out the developers decide to sell 60
~ ~~~~ percent of their lots to Corey Barton, that Corey doesn't come in there and say, okay,
~~Yr=? have got 60 percent of the place, I can change the CC&Rs to anything I like. He has
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forget what it's called, the one above Coral Creek, negatively impacting those property
values.
Borup: So, he's not maintaining something that was originally part of the covenants?
~~~~~; Glines: Well, the original covenants were architectural and things like that and now all
°~~N' of a sudden all the fill-in is at the Corey Barton level of homes, not the Parkside Creek
~F -, style which is what was originally put in at Pintail and the --
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Borup: Okay. You're talking about two different subjects here, so --
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_'~ Glines: Well, t he C C&Rs, covenants, codes, a nd restrictions, aren't they --isn't that
~; ~ what we are talking about, that the --
Borup: Well, also, it's an agreement with them, the Meridian Irrigation District, too. We
will get some clarification on that. So, you're concerned about the maintenance of the
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~''~ Glines: Yes. Because i f t he p athway a nds u p n of b eing m aintained -- b ecause t he
t''r original pathway between Coral Creek and the lot -- and the development above that
t. :;; was supposed to be improved and, then, maintained and nothing's being done with that.
That's --
t:~'' Borup: That was my question. The homeowner's association was supposed to do that
or --
Glines: That was supposed to have been --
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Glines: It's i n no m an's I and. We don't k now w here i t i s. N obody c an s ay w hat i s
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speaking of or are they owned by homeowners?
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' '~ Glines: Every lot has been sold.
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~' "'~ Centers: My point is the new homeowners can amend their CC&Rs after the majority --
r,~~~~` if they have the majority, which sounds like they do.
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. Glines: Okay.
~~' `'~` Centers: So, it's up to the homeowners to take care of that.
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Glines: The park department and the City of Meridian had plans for what was going to
happen with the pathway north of this development through Coral Creek and
~-~` Blackstone. All of those plans got thrown aside. None of them got followed. The
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quality of the pathway was --
~~~ Centers: Well, I think that's a different issue.
~~-+~ Glines: Well, what I'm trying to find out is what -- how do we know that these plans for
<; the pathway are going to be kept with as they were originally approved?
~" Borup: So, there is not a pathway there now?
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side, so it's weed infested, it's still full of trash, it's full of -- it's muddy. It was never done
to the city specs. It was never -- the improvements were never finished -- in other
r''~ words, it was never finish graded, it was never landscaped, sprinklers weren't put in,
nothing was done to improve it, other than lay the strip of asphalt and now that strip of
?a_:~ asphalt is in an unimproved state that's going to fall to the City of Meridian, who doesn't
~~~°~~ have the funds to bring it up to an improved state that it can be maintained.
~"_>'` Center: And it's in Parkside Creek Sub?
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Centers: Which it -- so who is responsible for it?
-~P'~ Borup: Which property is it on?
Glines: It goes right through there.
~> Centers: It's Coral Creek Sub. Those homeowners are responsible for it.
Glines: They are all the same homeowner's association.
~ Centers: Yes. Well, they are responsible for it.
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Centers: Was it?
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~'. ~' ditch. My point being here is that the city approved things, but didn't follow through to j
~- ' make sure what they approved was carried through with and, now, we are left with a
~. mess that the city doesn't want to spend the money to do the improvements that were
~`''~` originally planned to be done by the developer and, then, the developer decides that --
' they d ecide to c hange a II o f t heir C C&Rs, s o t hat t hey a re n of g oing t o d o anything
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enforceable by the city people and what the city says, well, if you're going to do
>,.'; that,yeah, we will say okay. But that CC&R gets left to the --
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Borup: Right. I have got that.
Glines: The sewage. Those three things.
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Glines: Well, he didn't answer -- he said there is an eight inch, but he didn't -- doesn't
say where the eight inch comes from, how much flow is going to go through that --
Borup: Well, but what's the concern there?
,~ Glines: We are overdeveloping the -- we are overdeveloping with higher density than
there is any facilities for.
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Glines: Okay. But I'm concerned that these -
'~'' Borup: And you think that should have priority over the Public Works Department itself?
~p,~~`° Glines: Well, I'm just saying that -- I'm asking the question.
>"~ Borup: Okay.
Glines: So, that's a question that Public Works can come back and comment on,
because if it's there and said, you know, we didn't do this, I have seen too many things
~~~~ happen that the intention was great. The practical follow-through wasn't. You know,
there has been the issue of what's the drainage down there and they say, well, they
have done their water table studies. Well, in our neighborhood one lot can have a total
different water table than the one next to it. So, I have only seen one plastic pipe drilled
into the ground in that division -- in that subdivision area and so are we going to have
standing water problems in their big area or is it going to not -- do they have enough drill
-- test holes drilled to know for sure? My concern is that we are building too fast without
~~ enough information and it comes back to negatively impact the citizens and the
°" taxpayers of Meridian.
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~~ Borup: Okay. Thank you. We will get answers to these questions. Do we have
anyone else that would like to testify? Okay. Let's -- I'm going to -- Bruce, do you want
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~~. how to answer the question, other than that. We have the capacity, we have done the
_;~;~' analysis, we are continuing to do the analysis. This area is -- there is a major study
~~'~` being done right now on this entire area as part of the Black Cat, Ten Mile interchange
~'~ study that JUB is right in the middle of right now. That was one of the things that made
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~~ , = us nervous -- excuse me -- at the last hearing when this came up about going forward
iY `' ~' without having more data in place. We have done modeling. We are still doing -- we
~ ~ are still doing analysis, like I said. One of the biggest hurdles we have was trying to find
~~,~_'~ ' a site for the regional lift station. We have worked together with this applicant. We think
~~ '~~ we have got it worked out. You know, things are marching forward. So, if -- to address
°r~; his concern about digging streets up that are already paved, you know, if our project
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moves forward a head o f the p hasing o r timing o f t his p roject, w e w ill b e p utting that
~~=~~~ sewer in, they will be coming along behind and building roads over the top of us. If his
project goes ahead of our timing for putting the trunk line in, he is going to be putting the
trunk line in underneath the roads and so the roads won't have to get tore up again. We
~~ are very conscious of that and strive to prevent that from happening, so --
Borup: Okay. I think that -- let me just -- my experience sitting here is if the Public
Works Department had any question at all, the projects are delayed until there is an
answer and you have been comfortable and that's -- that's always been the case. Mr.
Amar.
Amar: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Commissioners. Again, for the record, Kevin Amar.
To answer -- I believe there are two other questions. One, irrigation, and the second
the pathway. I'll answer the irrigation question first. Could I get you to put up the
regional map? We met with Nampa-Meridian Irrigation District probably a month ago to
go over the location of the irrigation pump station not only for this subdivision, but also
for Castlebrook No. 1. It was their request -- there is an existing irrigation pump station
at this location. It was Nampa-Meridian's request that we upgrade that pump station, so
they only have to maintain one pump station and that would have capacity for both
Castlebrook No. 1 and Castlebrook No. 2. Our water right -- both of these comes out of
this lateral and we will have to the that down to that irrigation pump station or at some
point into the Ten Mile Creek, so it does get to that pump station, but there is capacity
for it and we are working with Nampa-Meridian Irrigation District to actually upgrade one
pump station, rather than two, and that was -- or build an additional one and that was at
Nampa-Meridian's request.
Borup: So, it sounds like the existing pump needs to be enlarged -- needs to be
upgraded and the water source that that existing pump is using would not have the
capacity as it presently exists, so that's why you're diverting the water you have, the
waters rights, to that same pump and that gives it the capacity for your subdivision.
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Amar: Correct. Correct. The in-take manifold, the -- well, it all has capacity, but the
~; ~-4~` water rights for this property currently coming out of this lateral are not -- and we will
y;o~~~ have to divert that. That's a fairly common practice within the different irrigation
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`~~~,;~ capacity. We can always -- if there is not capacity, we can always build an additional
pump station to provide our capacity. We do have water and we do have water rights
'~ " ~ for our property. The second question with respect to the pathway maintenance -- now
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obtain a license agreement. That license agreement will be with Nampa-Meridian
~~-~ ,~.: Irrigation District will spell out that the homeowner's association must maintain that.
Nobody, short of Nampa-Meridian Irrigation District, can change that. If a developer or
builder, all the homeowners band together and want to change that in the CC&Rs
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r, ~~~ maintenance of that pathway and the landscaping, all of that will be in our license
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=a=~ our own accord. The pathway on the other side was, actually, in the city park's pathway
plan and was put in and so I believe the city is maintaining that pathway or is going to
``' `~'' maintain that pathway at some point when -- I don't know what's been finalized or what
hasn't, I don't know if that's all taken place. I know on our side of the property the city
has no interest in maintaining a pathway just for a subdivision. That's an amenity that
we wanted to provide for our residents. So, I think the license agreement is a very sure
tool to insure that we do maintain that -- or the homeowner's association does after the
y~.= developer is gone. I believe those were the two questions or were there others?
Borup: No. Those were the two -- maybe I did write one other down. I don't know if it's
a specific question, but do you know how many test holes have been monitored here?
;. Amar: I believe right now monitoring -- we are monitoring two test holes. We initially
dug, I believe, ten. We located with our engineer where the low points in the ground
may be and where those -- the drainage would go to and we are monitoring those
"~ locations.
Borup: So, you're trying to monitor the worse case of the test holes?
'_-~ Amar: Yes, sir. One of the locations is right where that park is designed. Luckily, this
site could lay out to where the park and the low point can --
Borup: The same place?
Amar: -- be the same place. And as far as standing water, it's also one of the
`~ ` conditions of approval that our site drains within 24 hours. So, I believe we are abiding
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and staff can enforce any of those if they are conditions of approval.
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~~ Castlebrook No. 1 we are building Pine or EI Gato. In Castlebrook 2 we will continue
~t ~~~ that and, then, we will also have connectivity from this location in Castlebrook 1 and
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the fire de artment conditions will be adhered to.
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looking at one subdivision, without taking the other one into consideration.
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~~~. comments? Okay. Commissioners?
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Mathes: I make a motion to close the continued Public Hearing from February 6, 2003,
AZ 02-03 and PP 02-032 on Castlebrook Subdivision No. 2.
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'• Mathes: I make a motion to send -- to forward to City Council continued Public Hearing
from February 6, 2003, AZ 02-031, request for annexation and zoning of 39.05 acres
~ from RUT to R-8 zones for propose Castlebrook Subdivision No. 2 by Crestline
V ~ Develo ment, LLC, 4000 West Pine Avenue, east of North Black Cat Road and south of
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s, s,< Centers: I would second that motion to approve.
,,;,M. Borup: Motion and second. Any discussion? All in favor? Any opposed?
k%~-,w: MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
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Mathes: I make a motion to approve the continued Public Hearing from February 6,
2003, PP 02-032, request f or preliminary plat approval of 1 50 b wilding lots and nine
~~-~~~ other lots on 39.05 acres in a proposed R-8 zone for proposed Castlebrook Subdivision
F~r4 ~` No. 2 by Crestline Development, LLC, 4000 West Pine Avenue, east of North Black Cat
~''~``'' Road and south of West Cherry Lane, with -- including all staff comments dated
February 6. On page one of those, down in the application summary, in the second
paragraph, where it says the single family lots in the subdivision range from -- it should
'``',~ be 6,500 square feet, not 6,000. And on page six, under additional considerations, on
~'~-<~~~~ the block length, under block length it should read Block No. 3, No. 8, No. 4 and No. 9.
~~::~ And, then, in the second sentence it should be Block No. 6, 7, and 10 that don't meet
' ~``~ the minimum block lengths. Under -- by the pathways, they have to have -- with
~:;;"~' agreement Nampa-Meridian that there will be a -- it's okay to have a pathway. They will
allow it. Is that a license agreement?
Borup: Yes.
Mathes: Okay. And, then, the paragraph on connectivity we can scratch. On page
eight, number 14, the applicant is responsible to obtain a variance for the block lengths
before City Council. And on --
McKinnon: Mr. Chairman, Commissioner Mathes, they do --
`' ~ Mathes: Before City Council. Excuse me. No?
McKinnon: They can submit -- Commissioner -- Mr. Chairman, Commissioner Mathes,
they can submit concurrently, so that they come on the same night.
Borup: The application has to be made to City Council.
McKinnon: That's correct.
Mathes: Oh. Okay. And, then, under general comments number five. That excludes
the T en Mile d itch a nd, then, they have to h ave -- and maybe I a Iready said this, a
maintenance agreement on the pathway with Nampa-Meridian Irrigation to maintain it?
McKinnon: Correct.
Mathes: And I think that's it.
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Mathes: Okay.
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~ -~ not y et r eceived a p hasing p Ian for this s ubdivision. That w as i tem number n ine on
fir::' page eight, requiring a phasing plan. So, that's one of the things that we have to work
with on this, is we don't know what phase that would be, but I believe that we should
include that -- some additional clarification language concerning possibly the
construction of portions of Block 4. Block 4 is the large block that runs -- can I borrow
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that handle it, Dave, if we say before any of those lots are --
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'- ,V it from me. On page five, the availability of public services, down about five lines it says ~
~;~.. the Blackstone lift station shall upgraded. I'd like to insert the word be upgraded. Shall I
~~`'~~`' be. It was omitted. Thank you.
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Item 6: Continued Public Hearing from March 6, 2003: RZ 03-001 Request
for a Rezone of 6.95 acres from L-O to L-O and C-G zones for Mallane '
` Commercial Complex by The Land Group, Inc. -north of East Fairview
~::< ;I~ Avenue and west of North Eagle Road:
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~i~. to open this continued hearing and start with the staff report.
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';a~ continued Public Hearing. The last time that you heard this application the property was
"' not posted correctly and there were some issues with, I believe, a legal notice and some
~' issues concerning what piece of property was being rezoned to C-G and what pieces of
°: ~., property were staying as the L-O designation. If I could direct your attention to the
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Borup: Questions for staff? Is the applicant here? Come forward. Is there anything
you'd like to add to the staff report?
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`~ to clarify a couple things in the staff report. It states that -- the lot that would stay L-O is
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Hill: Hill. Dale W.
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property, I think. May I approach the map?
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Hill: Right. This is our lot.
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questions and we can explain that. This piece is staying as it is. It's been L-O -- it's
presently L-O and --
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L ~~~; Borup: Right. And that was why -- I think maybe they would have liked to, but this
~r:~ Commission said, no, it needed to stay the way it was.
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motion o n p age t wo, i tem D, w e a Iready - okay. D elete t he r eference t o t he p olice
``" station. I don't know if there is anything else to carry it over, unless I think that it carried
~`" over from a previous report.
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Mathes: Second.
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~~ Mathes: I make a motion to approve the continued Public Hearing from March 6, 2003,
RZ 03-001, request for a rezone of 6.95 acres from L-O to L-O and C-G zones for
t `~ Mallane Commercial Complex by the Land Group, Inc., north of East Fairview Avenue
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j changes on -- under application summary and background, it's, actually, Lot No. 4, Lot
-r,r, No. 3 that s remaining L-O and on page two, item D, where it says furthermore, to the
' °~`~ end of that paragraph, we are scratching that off. On page three, Item F, another
reference of -- it's Lot 4, not like Lot 3 that will remain L-O. That's it.
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Centers: Second.
Borup: Motion and second. All in favor? Any opposed? Thank you.
MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Item 7: Continued Public Hearing from March 6, 2003: AZ 03-003 Request
for annexation and zoning of 14.31 acres from RUT to R-8 zones for
proposed Timberfalls Subdivision by Dan Wood -south of East Ustick
Road and west of North Locust Grove Road:
Item 8: Continued Public Hearing from March 6, 2003: PP 03-002 Request
for Preliminary Plat approval of 50 building lots and 6 other lots on 14.31
acres in a proposed R-8 zone for proposed Timberfalls Subdivision by
Dan Wood -south of East Ustick Road and west of North Locust Grove
Road:
Borup: Okay. The n ext is also a continued Public Hearing, AZ 0 3-003, request f or
annexation and zoning of 14.31 acres for Timberfalls Subdivision and PP 03-002,
request for preliminary plat approval on the same project. Open this hearing and start
with the staff report.
McKinnon: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Members of the Commission. You should have
all received a copy of the revised staff report from Steve Siddoway. Steve has gone
through and made the revisions that were required from the last Public Hearing and he
stated that in this -- he added a new summary to that stating that the only remaining
substantive issue, in his opinion, was the hard surface pathways and whether or not
those hard surface pathways entering into the dinosaur shaped common lot, whether or
not they should be required to be -okay. It's a dinosaur. There are the feet. The tail is
over here. It looks likes a tyrannosaurs. There are three entrances into this open space
and there is some discussion as to whether or not those pathways should be just hard
surface pathways or whether they should be considered as micropaths and landscaped
and fenced in accordance with the landscape ordinance. There was a lot of discussion
in the original application that -- I should recognize at this time Sonya Allen, who
actually wrote the majority of this report. She is here tonight and this is her first time
here, so we welcome her here. And if you have any questions, we could probably
address those to her. There also should -- you all should have received a copy of the
land consultant's letter, dated March 10th, in response to the revisions that were
requested at the last Public Hearing and staff does not disagree with any of the
comments from the land consultants and the staff report, as revised by Steve Siddoway,
is reflective of the comments of the applicant's letter dated March 10th, so the only real
issue, I guess, that we have left from actually having read the minutes and reading
Steve's revised report is to whether or not those pathways going into the common lot
should be considered micropaths and handled as such. The applicant has received a
letter from the Nampa-Meridian Irrigation District allowing them to encroach within the
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~~ Centers: Yes, Mr. Chairman. I guess Sonya -- Sonya Allen. Why would we even want
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~`` ordinance we do have comments regarding micropaths and what micropaths are. They
are defined, but there is, actually, no threshold for the micropaths as to when they are
s~--~` required. There is a definition for them. The definition states that they lead from one
_'~`~' place to another and, typically, are between subdivisions or streets and breaking up of
blocks. There was no requirement, nor threshold, or a brink, as sometimes is defined in
"~"~' logic, to require one at anytime. The applicant has agreed to put in those pathways, but
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objects to the developer being required to install four foot fences adjacent to those and
~``'-' to install a tree every 35 feet on center in that area. Part of the reason for their
"'_ opposition to that, my understanding, is that --there is the landscaping. One more -- this
may show it just a little bit. On the plat that you, you can see that there is typically a
seven foot wide drainage lot that runs adjacent to these small areas that lead into the
park. These are between 15 --14 and 17 feet wide and seven feet of that is, actually, a
~x_,,_. depressed drainage swale. So, rather than having a large drainage swale within the
-M subdivision, they put those in narrower areas and made them longer and grassed those
and if they had to plant trees within that swale, it would create a problem, so they are
asking that they not be considered micropaths, but they would construct them as hard
surface paths, showing that there is access to the common lot.
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Nickel: Mr. Chairman and Commissioners, thank you. I do believe that is the only
~~`~' outstanding issue and it really isn't an issue. We are okay making them micropaths by
't~;' definition if you feel it's necessary. That was our concern was the drainage and the
't' ~ landscaping, because of how we have the -- as I say, the property does drain f rom
southeast to northwest and so the drainage would be along the sides of the common
park area and if we were required to meet the micropath standards, we are going to be
`:~` limited to a pathway -- a certain size pathway with a certain size landscape on either
side with trees. I think we can probably engineer around that, if you feel it's still
necessary to call them micropaths, otherwise, we will provide the path -- the paving to
meet that requirement, also the fencing along the portion of the paved pathway.to meet
k~, ~ those requirements also.
Borup: Commissioner Centers?
Centers: Yes. Well, I guess I'm not big on that. The way I look at it is they are not
going to connect, are they? What's behind the micropath is the connectivity to other
subdivisions. Correct?
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"'~~ connecting. You're doing them for your own benefit and you're taking advantage of the
sir drainage swales and making paths here. So, I don't see the need, personally.
;~~~; Borup: Well, I agree. And when I first saw this, I didn't even feel the necessity of paving
them, but w ith t he d rainage s wale t here I think y ou're c oncentrating t he t raffic a nd i t
`= makes sense, probably to pave them, but you said you were planning that anyway.
Nickel: Yeah. And, originally, when we had met with Dave and staff before, we thought
it was appropriate to have paving of a certain portion, so people would know -- would
know, okay, I can go back there, it's a paved area that --
~'?~ Borup: And that part makes sense, so they know there is something there.
Nickel: Right. And, then, as far as the fencing, our concern is we don't want to have to
-- the developer didn't want to have to fence the entire open space area. The micropath
requirements requires you to fence just the pathway portion of it. So, then, it got
confusing as to what portion you fence and what you don't. So, I'll leave that up to you
- if you want to -- we can revise that and not call it a micropath and, then, we do the
improvements that we discussed. That will be fine or --
=~:~ Borup: Well, did you ever call it a micropath?
"~ Nickel: We never called it a micropath.
Borup: No. I think Commissioner Centers said it very well.
Centers: Well, you made that in your notes, if you drew these up, Mr. Nickel.
Nickel: Yes.
Centers: These will not be micropaths, by definition.
"~ F~ Nickel: That's what I was proposing. Then, it kind of got confusing with everybody, so -
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~_ : go to another subdivision -- I mean the purpose is to access the park in the middle, not
' .~ break up a block length or anything else.
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~~~:,1 scheduling this for only the two weeks. Took a chance there, but it worked out.
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~~` Borup: Well, that was really, I thought, the major reason for the continuance was to get
`'.~~` that answered on the --
'='-~5 Nickel: I think everything else we are in agreement with or we can work out with staff on
what we talked about -- on the issues we talked about before and so I will stand for any
~~~:.~~ questions you have.
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comments from any of the staff? Okay.
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Mr. McKinnon, and, really, there were only two issues, item number 7 and number 8 on i
~;;w' their letter and you're in agreement with that? I believe they were saying okay on
everything else.
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number seven, they have provided us with a letter for that and that they have -- that
<~--~ they will revise the plat to reflect that. Item number eight --
Centers: Right.
McKinnon: I just had to read it out loud. Sorry. I'm not real familiar with just numbers.
~`~- Yeah. We are in agreement with number eight as well. ~~
Centers: Right. Okay. So, we are fine?
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Mathes: Second.
Borup: Motion and second to close the Public Hearing. All in favor? Any opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Centers: Mr. Chairman?
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Centers: I would move that we recommend approval to the City Council on continued
~'~"`~~ Public Hearing Item AZ 03-003, request for annexation and zoning of 14.31 acres from
x ;;-? RUT to R-8 zones for proposed Timberfalls Sub by Dan Wood, south of East Ustick
,~~:, Road and west of Locust Grove Road, including all staff comments from memo dated
»~~ March 11th.
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''~"=~~ Borup: No. I'm sorry. All in favor? Any opposed?
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~~;'~ MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
;;r-~ Centers: Continuing on. I would like to recommend approval for the continued Public
,S ~;~ Hearing from March 6th, specifically, PP 03-002, request for preliminary plat approval of
~~~ `'~ 50 building lots and six other lots on 14.31 acres in a proposed R-8 zone for proposed
"'~ Timberfalls S ub b y D an Wood, s outh o f East U stick R oad a nd west o f N orth L ocust
~`s Grove Road, including all staff comments from memo dated March 11th, and applicant's
f >°*'; .letter dated March 10th from Shawn Nickel, item seven, to be included in staff
~ ~~; comments, item eight to be included -- and I will give a copy of the memo to the
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`~ _ attorney. Second page. Micropaths shall not be the definition of the interior paths of
F^ `~> the subdivision and they would not comply with the micropath ordinance. End of
motion.
~,x~°i~ Rohm: I will second that.
~'"".~ Borup: Motion and second. All in favor? Any opposed? Thank you.
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~- ~ ~ MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Item 9: Public Hearing: RZ 03-003 Request for a Rezone of 0.35 acres from R-
4 to O-T zones by for Merlyn Schmeckpeper by Merlyn Schmeckpeper-
{ 230 West Pine Avenue:
Item 10: Public Hearing: CUP 03-006 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for
a Child Care Facility for approximately 30 children in a proposed O-T zone
- for Sunshine Academy by Sharon O'Toole and Debbie and James
Sheridan - 230 West Pine Avenue:
~~ Borup: Okay. We are finally to an original hearing. But, actually, that is the purpose --
normally, our second meeting is set aside for continued hearings and, then, if we have
~-;: others, we also put those on here, so we don't have to wait for the previous month. We
like to try to move them along as well as we can. So, Public Hearing -- I'd like to open
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,~ Public Hearing RZ 03-003, request for rezone of .35 acres from R-4 to O-T zone for
Merlyn Schmeckpeper -- excuse me -- at 320 West Pine Avenue and start with the staff
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McKinnon: Mr. Chairman, if I could interrupt at this time. If we could open Item No. 10
~''" as well, Sunshine Academy is for the same piece of property?
Borup: Oh, right. It is. I was planning on doing that earlier. And, then, also Public
Hearing CUP 03-006, request for a Conditional Use Permit for a childcare facility for
=~~~~; approximately 30 children on the -- for Sunshine Academy and that's for that same
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McKinnon: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Members of the Commission. If I could direct
=~` your attention to the overhead, just to give you some orientation as to where this piece
;;:~; of property is. Meridian Elementary School is to the north. There is one single family
~_ residential that's sandwiched between the proposed day care and the elementary
~~ti ~~` school just to the north of that. There is small alley that runs on the east side of the
proposed day care center and there is 3rd Street on the west side of the proposed day
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property. West Pine Avenue is an approved collector with a bike path. It does have a
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- aerial view showing what surrounds the property is residential to the east and residential
to the west. Some to the north as well, to the northwest, in addition to the elementary
school site. Across the street there are some commercial properties and some
^_ residential properties. This is the proposed site plan. It doesn't come out very clear.
;~: Let me orient you to what we are looking. This dark piece of property right here is the
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n . facility. It's a single family residential unit at this time. We don't have a picture of that
`'" for you in the site plan, but just for your knowledge, there is a small retaining wall
adjacent to the sidewalk and the property is raised. Currently it is a -- what is an alley,
but currently just looks like a driveway that comes in off of Pine Street. There is a small
irrigation ditch that runs along the western side of the property. It would have to be tiled
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`'~~ addition to the two parking stalls for the employee parking in the detached garage, that's
~'~ a total of five parking stalls. As we get into the staff report, you will note that the parking
becomes an issue several different times in the staff report. One, because there is no
handicapped accessible parking stall as required by federal law in the parking lot that
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to point out in the staff report, if I could have you follow with me. Under the application
.::: summary, the applicant is requesting a day care for up to 30 children and the way they
_~~ have arrived at that number is a number that's dictated by the state that allows one child
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number for 30. Parking is also derived from the number of children that are allowed in a
day care facility and one parking space is being required for every ten children, in
addition to one parking space for every employee. The applicant has stated in their
application that there would be three employees for this day care facility and, therefore,
they need to have six parking spaces, only five are provided on site. Either a variance
or a revised parking plan will be required for this site prior to approval. If I can direct
your attention to page three, item number F, the finding for the rezone states that the
findings that you have to make asks the question will the use -- will the rezone be
hazardous or disturbing to existing or future neighboring uses. I notice that there are
several people here tonight to testify in opposition of the requested rezone and the
Conditional Use Permit. Please consider all of their testimony, including their written
testimony that has been submitted to you. You should all have received a copy of the
petition in opposition of this tonight. Please consider that when making this finding on
page three. I direct your attention to page four. Item number A, as to whether or not
the site is large enough to accommodate the proposed use in all yards, open spaces,
parking, and landscaping. If reviewing the site plans, staff has found that the site could
accommodate all of the required parking and all of the required landscaping. However,
some changes will need to be made and a number of those changes are detailed further
on in the report under the additional considerations regarding landscaping and parking,
so -- which parking we have already discussed. Again, item number D on page five
asks you to consider all testimony given at the Public Hearing, as to whether or not this
proposed use will adversely affect other properties in the vicinity prior to making a
recommendation for approval or denial. Again, we just ask you to take into
consideration any testimony tonight. Special considerations on page six. Parking
modifications. I have included a number of different options. Those are not the only
options, but there are some options for providing additional parking on site. Some of
those options would include providing parking behind the garage in a tandem parking
arrangement with one vehicle being parked behind vehicles in the garage. The vehicles
in the garage are being used for employee parking. That would allow additional
vehicles t o p ark behind t he g arage, b ecause t hose v ehicles i n t he g arage w ould n of
leave until after the vehicles parked behind the garage leave. There are some safety
issues to consider when dealing with that, that these vehicles that park here diagonally
would have to back out of the alley. This is a small alley that would not provide for two-
way traffic. It's not quite wide enough for that. Typically, alleys are much smaller in
width. So, that's an issue to consider. Another issue that we could deal with to
accommodate additional parking would be this large unimproved area at the back of the
home. Access could be taken off of 3rd Street. There is a small irrigation ditch that
would have to be tiled. Additional parking could be provided off-street off of 3rd Street.
There are a number of other uses, residential uses, that have access off of 3rd Street.
There currently is no access off of 3rd Street to this property. It is an option that they
could take a look at. Furthermore, a handicapped parking space will be required on this
site plan. Alternative compliance with landscaping. The applicant has only provided a
five-foot w ide I andscape b uffer. I 'm s orry. A f ive f oot w ide I andscape b uffer o n t he
south side adjacent to the parking and staff can see that within rezone to the Old Town
there are some allowances in the alternative compliance section of the landscape
ordinance that would allow a change of use for a piece of property to have a decreased
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~~,;~~ amount of landscaping, but the applicant did not provide what type of landscaping would
'`~w'~~ - be back here and staff would suggest that that actually be widened to include the full
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feet. In order to do that, one of these parking spaces would have to be eliminated and
"'``' additional parking would have to be provided elsewhere on site. My written comments
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s'~;~ ~ location as the only thing the sidewalk would lead to was one residential house and,
r~A ~ then, into the back of a chain link fence for the elementary school site and staff agrees
with ACRD that that should be waived as a requirement for this, that the sidewalk would
serve very little purpose, if any purpose at all, and would very expensive. In addition to
' = ' that, the M eridian C ity C ode, Section 12-5-2-K a Ilows f or t hat t o be w aived i f t he I of
~x frontages, on average, are over 100 feet in length and that is the case for most of the
properties on Pine Street, so there is a section of code to tie that to allow a waiver. As
~° ; far as the conditions of approval go, there are a few things I would like to point out to
>~" you. Because this will be a change from a single family residential to an educational
use, there may be several changes that are going to be required per the International
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International Fire Code. And item number eight on the site specific conditions of
approval, the off-street parking plan, we did require the applicant provide a new off-
street parking plan prior to approval and we would rather have that brought back to you
'~°~~ for approval, rather than send it on tonight to the Council without you having an
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type of recommendation, that the applicant request a variance from the city, because
`~ ' there is on-site parking -- not on-site, but on-street parking on Pine Street adjacent to
this use. The recommendation is just reflective of what I have said. It does meet code
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;. for the City of Meridian. There are some issues with -- I know from reading through the
. opposition, there are some issues that will be raised concerning the amount of traffic on
w~ Pine Street. Again, Pine Street is a collector roadway that has been built and improved
to handle a large volume of traffic. It is not a local roadway, such 3rd Street, Broadway,
-~~. Idaho would be. It is an improved collector street to carry the amount of traffic on that
F'`~ and that's also reflective in ACHD's report. I think that concludes all of the comments
that I have for you tonight and I would ask you if you have any questions of me before
-~r'`~ we turn the Public Hearing back over to the public.
Centers: Mr. Chairman, yes. Where does -- can you point out Sniffles 'n Sneezes? Do
you remember that?
F McKinnon: Yeah. I do remember. Sniffles 'n Sneezes is actually, on the other side of
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McKinnon: It's Pine and 2nd, pine and East 2nd.
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-~~~~ have -- or it wouldn't be able to do a CUP?
McKinnon: That's correct.
Centers: Okay. In the R-4 it's not allowed?
`°' McKinnon: In the R-4 it's not allowed. That's correct.
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within it.
McKinnon: There are some areas that are not included in that.
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Centers: At the bathrooms, how did you verify square footage on this submitted
schematic?
McKinnon: The actual verification takes place with the state licensing.
Centers: Okay. Because there is no way I can calculate the square footage of this
schematic the way it's submitted. It doesn't have the breakouts needed to calculate it
out.
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McKinnon: It would have to be verified by the state and there is a requirement for the
state licensing to approve that. In addition to that, the application is based on an
`~ approximation of 30 -- to an approximate 30. The state would set a maximum limit.
,;;; Centers: Why would we -- why would we rely on the state to do our work? If we are i
saying we require 35 square feet per child, why wouldn't we verify that before we would
approve it?
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`;~~~;= McKinnon: No.
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Borup: We don't have anything saying that we adopt the state's standards or ask
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~f ``~ all the licensing requirements of the State of Idaho prior to the beginning of operation.
,;;"~~ Borup: That's what I thought.
~~= McKinnon: That's, actually, condition of approval number five on page eight.
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Borup: Any other questions?
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handicapped parking. Dave, do you have a proposed alternative for that parking?
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Rohm: Okay. Thank you.
`"~~ Borup: And that's where it needs to come from, but from reading the staff report they
would -- they would lose one of the present parking spaces there to accommodate that.
~~,,. Would the applicant like to come forward?
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{ ;~ Schmeckpeper: Well --
Borup: Go ahead and state your name for the record.
Schmeckpeper: My name is Merlyn Schmeckpeper, Mr. Commissioner. I think pretty
r:,, much it's been covered. As you can see, the dilemma, if it can be called that, with the
parking, can be resolved. As far as any other issues, I didn't really hear any that would
cause any problems or concerns. Day care centers or childcare centers are also
considered a good neighbor as far as neighborhood development. The city, I think, is in
need of a center like this. The location is excellent, close to the center of town, easy
``~' access to highways and freeways and, as Dave's mentioned, it is on a collector street
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access to 3rd Street, because of the irrigation ditch, but, as you can see, there is
4'°'~ adequate property there and I think this can be resolved without any problem. What
would like to ask you to do is judge on this tonight, allowing ourselves and the academy
and the Planning and Zoning, to work out adequate and acceptable parking with the
p'' Planning and Zoning Department. When these things are postponed, they not only
increase your agenda, but they also cause large delays. So, I would ask you to accept
z' that and allow us to work with Planning and Zoning to resolve the parking issue.
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it this evening and unless you have had some other concerns that I'm not aware of or
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`- Centers: You're named as the applicant -- that's fine. You're named as the applicant
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'~ ~ Centers: Who is going to be responsible here?
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' The rezone would give you an O-T zone. You're -- you know, I take it you're the
~° ; landlord and owner of the property?
Schmeckpeper: Yes. Yes, I am.
Centers: You're going to rent to the applicant?
~'"-` Schmeckpeper: That's correct. And we are working together with them. We will work
~`'~ - to ether. I will take the res onsibili for that, as the owner of the ro e
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~~` work with the Academy folks to accommodate whatever we can determine and make
`' "`' agreeable with the Planning and Zoning. We have got the property there to do it. We
arranged it this way -- I talked with Dave about it and he says, well, it's submittable like '
this, knowing full well that we may have to make some concessions on it. As far as the
buffer now, I do have a bit of a problem with that landscape buffer, because the five-foot
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Schmeckpeper: I'm sorry?
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~~~-~ Schmeckpeper: On the front side.
~~ =~~~ Borup: Well, a buffer between -- between uses.
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Schmeckpeper: No. No. No. On the -- on the north side.
~;'~ Borup: On the north side -- on the north side is the school, isn't it?
Schmeckpeper: No. There is one residential there.
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Centers: And code is 20 feet, another --
Borup: D avid, h ow i s t he s tall r eport delivered t o t he a pplicant?Are they c alled o r
notified or --
;r;~~. McKinnon: Well, it can happen one of a couple ways, Mr. Chairman. Typically, the staff
=$~~ report is e-mailed to the :applicant at the same time it's e-mailed to the clerk's office and
that way they receive it the same time the clerk's office does. If there is no a-mail that's
associated with that, it's sent to the clerk's ofFce and the clerk's ofFce, then, contacts
the applicant and lets them know that there is a staff report available for the applicant to
pick u p a t c ity h all a nd I h ave t alked w ith J essica, o ur c ity c lerk representative h ere
tonight, and she stated that she has tried to contact both of the applicants prior to
tonight's meeting to have them pick that up and there was no response.
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„ ,,` i would not be time for mailing to -- well, if it was mailed they would have got it by
yesterday.
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~" ~ Borup: Have an answering machine?
`Fi~'~~ Schmeckpeper: Yeah. And, usually, there is somebody there 90 percent of the time
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However, we did not receive it. I'm not concerned about not receiving it.
,`~~ Borup: 9494; is that the correct phone number?
~,~`~~ Schmeckpeper: Yes. That's correct.
Borup: Okay. Well, I'm a -- we'd like to have -- make sure the applicant knows what the
staff report said, so they are not surprised about something that we are going to --
Centers: Did the other people receive it?
O'Toole: Well, we did not and --
Borup: Okay. I still think that -- we are probably looking at two issues. One, the
~;rr landscaping buffer and the other would be parking. So, those are probably two things ~
°-~ that we ought to discuss. Now, have you -- have you played with the design a little bit
or is this the first -- tonight the first you knew about the six stalls?
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_' the impression it was going to be this big of a situation. Planning and Zoning accepted
this and said this should probably be adequate. Obviously, it's not.
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Borup: Should be or could be?
Schmeckpeper: Take your choice.
Centers: Mr. Chairman, could I make a suggestion, that the two applicants maybe meet ~ I
with staff for about ten minutes while we hear the testimony of the other people here?
Because there is not that much to the report and they could go over it with them and
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~= would suggest that we actually take a break, because if the applicant is here talking with
us at our table, we won't have an opportunity to hear the things to rebut on the final
comments. So, if we want to take a break, I'd be more than happy to meet with the ~
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Centers: I would be for that.
Borup: Yes. So, that would be -- take a look at a parking design and maybe discuss
the buffering. Is there anything else? That's basically it. That should be covered.
Rohm: I would like to hear your proposed parking after you've had an opportunity to talk
to staff, though.
Schmeckpeper: Sure.
Rohm: Okay.
Schmeckpeper: No problem.
Borup: Okay. We will take a short break at this time. About a ten minute break. Is that
what we are thinking?
Schmeckpeper: I think that's probably adequate.
Borup: Thank you.
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Borup: Okay. We are reconvening our meeting.
Schmeckpeper: I have just some --
Borup: Input?
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would also like to state as I depart here, this does fall in line with the new
Comprehensive Plan as far as zoning change to Old Town.
Borup: Right.
Schmeckpeper: And as we all know, that whole street is beginning to commercialize.
Borup: I believe the staff report --
Schmeckpeper: Stated that.
Borup: Stated that. Yes.
Schmeckpeper: The parking thing can be resolved.
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'~; ~~ Centers: Well, let me ask that question, Merlyn. To be resolved, the staff would like to
have that back to us prior to the City Council meeting or you apply for a variance
1~" through the City Council. What's your preference? I can't tell you whether a variance is
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`~'y' need the ADA parking stall, which we don't have right now, to revise the plan to make
them two short, rather than just one short. But a variance is an option that they do have
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should have talked to them about it. Mr. Chairman, Members of the Commission, the
variance would be for the applicant to have some on-street parking count for this --
- recognizing the Meridian City Code under the guidelines for child care facilities, one of
the things that they state in child care facilities it's not tied specifically to Conditional Use
~'~~ Permits or child care centers, but also addresses the child care facilities in the ~
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t~; So, it would be fairly hard to go against code and recommend approval of the variance
that says day care facilities should not have off-site loading on collectors or arterials.
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would be for employees.
~~ ;~ Schmeckpeper. I don't think we would want to go that route. We can discuss that
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Borup: Showing the six parking spaces and revising the landscaping plan.
Schmeckpeper: Okay. We are not -- you folks won't allow us to move ahead, so that
we can work this out with Planning and Zoning? That was my wish, because I mean
everybody can see it's a doable thing.
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.. Borup: It may be up to the Commissioners. I know City Council has requested when
we forward something onto them, that it be a clean application and that the details are
. worked out prior to their receiving it.
Centers: And don't forget the handicapped parking spot.
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"-' whatever criteria we wanted to recommend.
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x .; ~ of the requested site, between that and the school lot. Correct. Several of my
~~~ ~ concerns. I noticed in the staffing notes that they mentioned that this would not
"~' increase the traffic flow, noise, or pollution. Currently right now I live there, a couple
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Rokovitz: Essentially, Pine and/or the alleyway, depending on which way they may -- I
~'`f understood that they -- well, actually, I understood that Pine Street was addressed as
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alleyway.
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`_ ` there. One of my major concerns is, granted, this is a location near schools and part of
that is my big concern. I'm currently a father of two children and the kids do walk that
~. street v ery h eavily m ornings a nd a fternoons. I f y ou h ave 15 t o 2 0 c ars c oming a nd
going from a single alleyway of that nature, besides the possible congestion, that's 15 to
20 cars additionally coming and going in and out of that alleyway.
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the side of the --
Borup: Okay. I think I understand. I thought maybe the school might have had a gate
or a fence or something. There is a little button on the side.
Rokovitz: Okay. So, the sidewalk that is actually on the side here -okay. They are
~~ actually -- I don't know if they have closed it off at this point. There was one on 2nd.
Okay. That one is closed. So, at this point just the sidewalk here. Well, you have got
children that live all throughout this whole area and this is one of the main feeders ~
coming down this sidewalk to all the children that do walk to school and it is fairly
heavily traveled in the mornings and at nights, the kids, you know, they walk to school
and walk from school and we are looking at, you know, a considerable amount of traffic,
~~~~~ potentially, coming in and out of this alleyway, which could get considerably congested
as well, because it only allows for one vehicle coming or going.
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Rokovitz: Currently right now there is a fence running solidly all along here and all
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--~'='y4 access at this back corner and, then, the other accesses are right at the school area.
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-~~~~~ right here, which this is, actually, approximately, a parking lot for the school. So, the kids
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<~~ concern about the increase in traffic flow in and out of that alleyway with the kids.
Depending on how the issues are resolved, we also have, you know, potential for
increased traffic here. Currently, a lot of traffic flows into here, because they think it is a
through way. People just don't notice it. They come -- they come in here fairly fast and
<~~, notice, oops, dead end, turn around, pull back out.
Borup: Is there a dead end sign on that?
Rokovitz: There is, actually, and, believe it or not, people don't read. So, that's -- and it
a is a fairly small turn around there, so one car getting in there, they actually -- they
cannot physically tum around. They have to go in, turn a little bit and back up, and,
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`=2~, road, in and of itself. You know, I would have additional concerns about the flow. If you
get even half the cars -- you know, five or ten people showing up at one time to drop
kids off, which I would think would be fairly reasonable, that potentially this whole back
area where the proposed lot is going to be is going to be packed
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necessary to drop their kids off, so they potentially may look at parking on the street,
~~~ coming up into 3rd, and we have already had a considerable problem in the past with
congestion on 3rd Street. This opening needs to be -- there used to be a gate here,
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there was such congestion, people would literally park there, block our driveways so we
couldn't even get out of our driveways half the time without having to try to hunt people
.'.. down or potentially even revert to more drastic means to get them to move their cars, so
- we can just live. Those are just a couple of my concerns. Mainly, just the congestion
and that people will do what they need to do in order to drop their kids off to get to work
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course, we do have a guard, even just across this little area to drive into their lot. I just
kind of wanted to make that a concern.
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currently a dirt lot.
Centers: Do you use that alley?
~'~ Rokovitz: Do I? Not frequently, only on occasion.
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you have yard work to do, hauling out stuff of that nature. Other people have used it to
access the back of their property, cable companies, and things of that nature do access
that as well, because that's one of the main power poles is actually right here.
Borup: What was your comment on the dirt lot? I didn't catch --
~.~, Rokovitz: Oh, it's just right now currently -- this right now is just a -- it's a dirt lot on the
back and my property is right here.
Borup: Okay.
;~'„~ Rokovitz: And, then, this is the alleyway right there.
Centers: I got that after we were talking. Thank you.
Borup: Do you have any comment on the buffering between properties?
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`` planning on the operation, but --
Centers: When did you read the staff report? At break?
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accompanying that. I assume those are all things that you would like to see?
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try to cut down on the issues that that back buffer would do, we certainly want to see,
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Centers: What hours of operation would you expect them to have?
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morning.
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would expect something that early, because they are basically catering to people that
start, you know, fairly early in the morning, roughly 5:00, 6:00 o'clock into the evening is
just the norm and that's saying they are not looking at, you know, even additional hours.
Some places are 24 hours. But normal ones do open extremely early and, to be
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not get home until 2:00 in the morning and you start getting a bunch of cars coming in
there, doors banging, kids getting out of the cars, not exactly good peace for me to get
my rest as well.
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>p,~ Rokovitz: Do I have to get to work? Tonight? No. I, actually, traded the shift and
worked very early this morning, so I could be here, so --
Borup: Because the normal we have seen has not been that early, it's usually 7:00 --
usually 7:00 to 6:00, you know, time to get, you know, an hour before work and an hour
after.
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of the ones I found were as early as 5:00, 6:00 -- one even more. At least by 6:00 in the
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Borup: Okay. Anything else you wanted to comment on?
Rokovitz: I believe that pretty much was my concerns.
`.1, Borup: Okay. Thank you. Anyone else like to come forward? Come on up, sir.
~~~~ Crispelle: My name is Bob Crispelle. I live at 306 West Pine. I'm on the west side of
=~ ~ 230 Pine Street. And I -- I have lived there for 11 years and I'd like to keep it a
residential neighborhood. I don't know if you have acopy -- I'm sure you do have a
copy of my small petition.
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elementary school is already congested, the third, traffic and noise impact and keeping
this a residential neighborhood. Now, what I did when I got the notice of -- on the
rezoning is I got some signatures together, I got 12 signatures, ten of those are
homeowners in the immediate area on all sides, east, west, north and south, that
oppose this day care center. And afterwards I got the mail out list, in which there are 32
mail outs, people notified, and according to my calculations 12 of these are out of town
addresses or out of state.
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'~;~~ ~ school put in the fence and they gated the ends -- I think 3rd and 2nd Street, because ~
~~-~~~~ you couldn't park in your parking space before, people going off to ball games and all
~'`""`~ this, so we got that settled a few years ago. They just built a fence in it. But, anyway,
I'm opposed to this, for obvious reasons. I like the residential aspect. We do have a
~~`: business across the street a few doors down, Dr. Rutz's office. I don't see too much
else in that area of Pine Street that's commercial within a block or so. There might be a
-- you know, a hair styling place or something like that, but it's really still a residential
area and also on this application summary, which I just saw this evening, use of 3rd
Street for access parking, etc. That will really create a problem, because I know you ~
'~' people have been out, probably, to look at the property, but if you have lived there like I
do, you get probably 10 to 12 turn arounds a week, dead end, and all kinds of loading
,~''- and unloading and I think it would be a real problem. Anyway, I thank you.
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°3~~~ Centers: You did some numbers, too. I get 18 absentee owners.
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- - ~ decline and you would have a property that could sustain itself and not become another
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;:~~ Centers: And that's what I look at and I looked at 17 absentee owners. Seventeen.
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Centers: Yeah. You're right. You're right. But, then, you look at the neighborhood and
"_ rentals -- don't get me wrong, there are places for rental properties, there are, but that
'`'~~'' one that went to the HUD in Irvine jumped out at me, because that's probably a
"'~~~ foreclosure.
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''~" a day care center, as far as I know. Is that not -- no? Well, it was for the last two years
before these folks moved in, because I live there and I see a lot of cars coming and
going -- not 30 people, but maybe three or four kids -- taking care of three or four kids
for the last three years.
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~`' concerns here, too. I'm going to ask this to the applicant also, but I wonder what -- if
_ there was an access from 3rd Street to the alley where they could drive through, do a
<:~ drop off, and drive out, there would not be any backing up and trying to turn around --
'=Y` you said it's hard to turn around and -- do you think that would be a better traffic flow
situation?
Crispelle: Well, no, I don't. I'm against using 3rd Street, for the obvious reason it will
y'; become parking and not just because there will be people that won't want to drive in
there and they will just park on 3rd Street and we are right back to where we were when
the school didn't have the fence and it was pretty bad. People just going off to the game
~' and leaving their car parked in front of my neighbor's driveways, both of them.
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Borup: Well, I think that would help the traffic situation.
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they are going to do. I mean if there is parking in front, they are usually in a hung, they
4'=° will probably park in front. But I certainly don't want to see --
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The problem I have with this going in there --Ihave been fighting ACHD -- I bought this
house -- I was a partner as a -- I was originally going to use it as an investment and
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~_ ~~ up and sell it, but I couldn't sleep nights. I committed myself to make it a safer
f .~ neighborhood. It's absolutely nuts down here. From this street -- from this area right
a ,~ here you literally have, I kid you not, hundreds of moving violations a day. If you drive
25 miles an hour down the street, you're going to have people tailgating you. What they
are doing is they are coming down this street and they are cutting through here, they
are going down here, they are cutting like this, they are going all different ways in here.
Yesterday one of my neighbor's kids, a car came cutting down this street right here,
~~,=~-~~` came right around, missed him by five feet. In this neighborhood right here alone, not
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traffic is incredible down here. This intersection here, you have constant traffic backed
up. They are going around each other, which, as we know, is illegal, and you have
people going down this street here, which is 25 miles an hour -- how do you guys keep
that so steady? But, anyway, going down here, they are going 35, 40 miles an hour,
they are cutting back here to get back on there, and it's the same thing that's going in
here and it's this -- what I'm talking to ACHD is I want four way stops all the way down
here and I want speed bumps down there, a total of 18 stop signs I'm working on. I'm
meeting with them again tomorrow for like the 6th time.
Borup: On Idaho you're talking about?
Price: O h, I'm talking about -- yeah, I want them on Idaho and o n B roadway, even
though Idaho is the one that really affects myself. But this is just -- it's just as bad down
here. It's incredible that -- until this road -- and I talked to Dave about this. Until this
road goes south one way and this one goes north one way, it is going to continue to just
back up and you can sit out here and you can go out there -- I went out there with a
video, because I was going to send it to the Mayor. I had that thing so filled up full of
cars within 15 minutes it was a joke and it made absolutely no sense when I reran it and
ran it back. It's just it would be -- if you go in and you allow this to happen, I figure
you're going to have as many as 100 to 150 trips going back and forth here and this is
going to be increased -- the backing up of cars going -- and they are just going to force
more cars coming in here. I'm purely here just for the traffic. I can appreciate
somebody trying to start a business to make a better life for themselves, but at the
expense of the neighborhood back here, whether they are renters or not -- and, you're
quite right, the house back here was sold and closed within the last couple of weeks.
But it is primarily renters living back in there. You have a lot of apartment complexes
back in here and what they are doing is they are just -- it's not meant for this. When they
put apartments back in there and the paths, in my opinion, they are making mistakes.
These roads are not meant for that type of traffic. And if they'd just put stop signs, for
instance, here, just on these streets, it won't work, because it's just going to continue to
just go down and just scoot it right back in there. And if you're going to allow them to
have this come in here, it's going to back this up. You will see from Meridian sometimes
backed up to here at 5:00 o'clock and I suppose you drive out of here, you know, if
you're living over here and you see the same thing and what they are doing is -- it just
goes on and on and on. For some reason on this side of town they don't understand
you have to yield to the right. You go to this side of town over here, you go back on
those streets back there, it's just like the north end of Boise, people yield to the right, but
for some reason -- I tried to get ACRD to put a sign up there, yield to the right. They
don't make such a sign. The guy says at the last meeting I had, says you want me to
put 18 stop signs up? Igo, yes, if that's what it takes to safe these kids' lives, it's going
to happen. But you can go out there, there is no place for these kids to play, you put
apartments upon apartments back in there, there are no parks in there, these kids are
playing in the street and that's the way it works. They play in the alleys and they play in
the streets and that's what it comes down to. If you allow this to happen, you're just
going to add to the problem that's going on in there. And this is a big bottleneck that
you had. It kind of reminds me of my family's ranch, you have like an eight inch pipe
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and that's what we have here, we have a big bottleneck and it's risking our lives back
;, ~ there, it's risking my kids' lives. My kids are 11 and 14. I don't let them go outside and
cross the street to play with their friends unless I'm out there. It's that bad.
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' Crispelle: Bob Crispelle at 3 06 West Pine. A year and a h alf a go the lady directly
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`g across from 230 West Pine -- as I was going duck hunting and we were talking and she
was turning in some water at the irrigation ditch and she's an elderly gal and she walked
>`~ across the street, looked both ways, and it was about 10:30 in the morning, a gal that
was driving, because of the sunlight, didn't see her and hit her and, thank God she's
fi_ alive, but 400,000 later and about two years convalescing, but it -- you know, accidents
~- happen, but this is a very busy road. Thank you.
Borup: Thank you.
~,~~ Centers: Mr. Chairman, I would like to hear from the applicant for the Conditional Use
<rv Permit, the spokesman for the applicant.
Borup: Okay. I think she's coming.
O'Toole: Good evening, my name is Sharon O'Toole and I am one of the applicants for
the Conditional Use Permit for this property and I would like to address some of the i
~,~~`~, concerns that I have heard. I'm hearing that there are many, many children in that
~'~~' neighborhood and our intention is to be a good neighbor. Our intention is to provide a
'`~' place for some of those children to be. We talked about the traffic on -- w e live on
f~:~: Rosehan, which is just on the other side of Linder Road. We live in that Merrywood
addition there, and I come u p a nd d own Pine Street every day on my way to work.
There is traffic there and there is traffic every day, but I have driven by that house -- we
have been contemplating this for months and I have driven by the house every single
day going to work and coming home from work and I have never seen tons of ',
congestion in front of the building. Not ever. We talked about traffic flow and you
h: mentioned the exact time that we were talking about it, coming into the alley, arranging
the parking along the back of that property against the landscaping and providing
-' egress onto 3rd Street, which leaves an even flow so there is no backing up and there is ;
- no -- no confusion about getting in and out of the property. This is a very small facility in ~
terms of a day care center. Thirty children is a very small facility. It is intended to be a
good pre-school, a school that focuses on pre-reading and pre-cognitive skills and we
expect to set standards for parents. I don't foresee a situation in which we have people
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we measured. We are not sure exactly what the licensing people will say about the '
~~;~ kitchen area, because it's very open and there is -- there is a lot of space there and we !
;,~,, are probably going to use part of that space. Not as classroom space, but it's going to
.-x~y,- be a dining area and that is considered space that children use. Cooking space is not
considered space that the children can use. So, I don't know exactly where they are
` 'r going to draw the line there. So, I'm expecting the licensing to come in the area of -- I'm
guessing between 28 and 32. I think 32 is probably the max that we would be licensed
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O'Toole: There is a state agency that licenses pre-schools and this will be a licensed
`' ~' pre-school and they -- they physically come in and review the space and determine
`~"` what space they consider usable by the children.
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some children in the morning, different children in the afternoon?
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typically, most children begin to arrive at school between 7:30 and 8:30. That's the time
that most people drop their children off and go on to work for a full day. I have run
-~~~~ several pre-schools and most of the time they are open at 6:30, but most of the time
there is nobody there at 6:30. That's just for the occasional parent who needs those
``~ early h ours. And there m ay b e one or two o r t hree c hildren t here a t t hat hour, but,
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~~~~~~ Centers: I understand how they operate. W e have experienced them, too. You're '
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"'' `" the facility at any one time is determinative. So, what that basically means is that when
1-=~ we are dealing with a family childcare home, five or fewer, Mr. Centers, you're correct in
:~~"; your definition. If we are dealing with group child care homes, that's for six to 12
~'"~'~'` children throughout the day, that applies to your definition. When we are dealing with
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s~':;' 30 throughout the day cumulative, rather than just 30 -- it's up to you, but it does not
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'::~, McKinnon: It's, actually, just a little bit more than four per day per kid.
;`=~ Borup: You're dropping off and, then, leaving and picking up and leaving? That's the
four?
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Borup: That would be four per family, if you have more than one children -- child.
O'Toole: Right. You're counting coming and leaving as two trips. It's one car, b ut
you're counting it as two trips. I'm coming to school --
Borup: Yes. That's how ACHD --
O'Toole: That's one trip. I drop my child off, I'm leaving, that's trip number two; is that
what you're saying?
Borup: That's how ACRD counts it.
O'Toole: Okay. There is a difference between what is called a home day care, which is
what he was describing, day cares that are allowed to have five or fewer children, and a
commercial day care and we are talking about commercial regulations -- regulations
and commercial license. Okay. So, there is a distinction there. Like I say, in terms of
day care facilities, this is one of the -- this is about as small a commercial facility as you
will see. Any other questions?
Centers: So -- and you can stay there. Staff, we can put whatever conditions we like,
regardless of the state license? I think Mrs. O'Toole keeps referring to the state may
allow 32. If we want to put a max at 32 and a max at 30 customers, we can do that.
McKinnon: That's correct.
Centers: Correct. So, you understand that?
O'Toole: I understand. I understand.
Centers: Okay. I guess we override can state. Can you believe that?
O'Toole: Sure. I can believe that.
Borup: It's because it's a conditional use, so that would be a condition.
Centers: Do you know the use of the property prior to -- or right now or just prior?
O'Toole: I believe it's being used as a residence. At this point it's being rented.
Centers: They haven't been using it as a day care or --
O'Toole: Not to be knowledge.
Schmeckpeper: Never has been.
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O'Toole: You're welcome.
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Borup: Any other questions from any other Commissioners? Thank you, Mrs. O'Toole.
?,J,~ti~s' Merlyn, did you have any final comments?
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`~~ Schmeckpeper: Yeah. Just a couple, I will make them short and sweet. I wanted to
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f; just correct -- you asked just a moment ago if it had ever been used for a day care
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center the entire time --
Centers: Well, another individual referred to that, so --
'; ~ ~ Schmeckpeper: And that's what I wanted to make a correction on. Definitely. No, it
~~'~ has never been, during my ownership, which has been approximately three and a half
F, ,~<: i years. I think if you talk to the neighborhood over there, because I have had comments
' ^`~ from many of them, prior to my purchasing that property it was a mess. I think that
' ;''-,r there is many of you that have driven by in the last few years and you can see that it is
~'~~ now a presentable piece of property. That's the way we keep all of our properties. So, I
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think it was an addition to the neighborhood, an upgrade, if I please. We purchased it
and cleaned it up and presented it as it's presented today.
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'.~~ari ' Schmeckpeper: It has never been anything else in my ownership. The people I bought
"°"~J` it from -- I think that was the owner's brother or something that had lived there for some
time, but I can't go back beyond that, because I don't know.
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rezone and you're going to be the lessor?
Schmeckpeper: That's correct.
Centers: Okay.
'~ ~' Schmeckpeper: And we will be responsible for whatever conditions have to be taken
care of in the property, as far as the parking lot and things like that, bringing them up to
code. Another issue I'd like to address -- and I'm sure you folks are aware of this. 3rd
Street is now a dead end street. It was designed for through traffic, a standard
- subdivision of old day's traffic, so whatever traffic is there today is minimal, compared to
~~~ what t hat s treet w as originally d esigned for, b ecause i is n ow a dead a nd. The foot
traffic situation, those sidewalks are five foot and they are relatively new in front of the
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aware. So, it's very able to carry proper foot traffic or heavy foot traffic. And I think
~~~ that's about all I have, gentlemen, unless you have another question of me. I appreciate
e„~~'~ your time and the opportunity that maybe we can work through the parking with the P&Z
f~ '`: and get this thing on up to the Council. Thank you very much. ~
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~'~~~ Rohm: Well, I'd like to ask staff a question, if I could? The designation of Old Town,
'~'`'' which this piece property of falls within that area; correct?
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-:~ Rohm: At the time that that was developed, was the logic so that you could bring in
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~' McKinnon: Mr. Chairman, Members of the Commission, Commissioner Rohm, I,
.~ : ~' actually, did address that specifically in the staff report. I don't need to refer to that. But
the ability of changing the use in the Old Town is something that was brought up in the
b, .~y Comprehensive Plan and that was part of the intended use of the Old Town zone is for
the redevelopment of existing single family to other uses, other than single family
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though?
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~,`~ right over there, I will just -- there is a large brown area and it, actually, made the Old
*~ Town area much larger. Again, when you're dealing with the Comprehensive Plan, we
are dealing with a future land use, rather than existing land use. The current zoning for
t~'L the property is R-4. Upon receiving the request for annexation, we had to look to the
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should be and at the time of the adoption of the Comprehensive Plan, it was felt that it
should be Old Town zoned.
Borup: Has it always been R-4 since -- I mean not always, I guess since -- the other
lots around it don't look large enough to comply with an R-4 zone. This lot is, but a
majority of them don't.
McKinnon: Mr. Chairman --
Borup: I'm not saying that -- oh, wait a minute, here are the boundaries. Yeah. It looks
like most of them are probably 60 -- 60 foot lots, aren't they? This one is 120. Okay.
y So, half the lots would not meet an R-4 zone standard.
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McKinnon: Right. Mr. Chairman, Members of the Commission --
-'''`~ Borup: I mean the lots that -- go ahead.
`~:y-~, McKinnon: Mr. Chairman, Members of the Commission, when they determined the Old
~= ~_'_x Town boundaries for the new Comprehensive Plan, they, essentially, looked at the
,~~;~4~ original township of Meridian and set that aside as the area to be part of Old Town and
`` ~''~` that's where they came up with the kind of odd shape that the Old Town has on the new
Comprehensive Plan map. When this was developed, it wasn't developed to today's R-
,'_' 4 standards and so it was developed to different standards that were adopted at the
y time this was developed.
:°t ~~ Borup: So, that originally was designated R-4.
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Borup: They didn't have zoning, then.
McKinnon: That's correct. We didn't have the R-4 zoning. It may have been an R
zone.
>~ Borup: I was just wondering why it's called R-4 now.
F ~` McKinnon: Probably because that was what was the closest fit at the time when they --
they just tried to shoe horn it into the R-4 zone.
~~' Borup: It doesn't sound like it was the closest fit.
McKinnon: R-8 may have been more appropriate.
Borup: Yeah. I guess it doesn't really matter. I don't know why I brought that up, but it
just seemed an oddity to me that most of the lots are 7,000 feet or less or, in that range,
why it was even zone R-4. Okay. Did that answer your question, Commissioner Rohm,
on --
Rohm: Well, I guess it did. I guess my point was -- is if, in fact, you have a designation
of Old Town and this would be one of the things that could be -- the property could be
used for within that definition of Old Town, it almost seems like it falls within the intent
when Old Town was created. That was where I was going.
Borup: Well, I think it does. Maybe the difference here is this is more on the perimeter,
it's more on the periphery of what the -- you know, previously it was referred to as Old
Town. But it sounds like the present Comprehensive map plan boundaries of Old Town
:~=~ was, actually, the old town, hence the name?
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~~ °~` McKinnon: Hence the name. Mr. Chairman, Members of the Commission, just -- when
`;"'~ Commissioner Rohm just mentioned the intent, we do have in our code book the
`~~~~`~ schedule of use control, which says what uses are allowed as permitted uses and which ',
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Old Town zone. It's not permitted as of right, it's only if it makes sense in that zone and
F ~ ~ you guys sit as a quasi judicial body to determine whether or not it makes sense and
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conditional uses in the Old Town zone.
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``'1'r Centers: Right. Thanks. Mr. Chairman, I guess what I -- you know, I can understand
~;~; the applicant and time is of the essence and -- but I guess I would like to see a definite
parking plan, how they intend to come in and go out and, of course, I -- you know, I'm
~~`~' with the staff, that the ten foot minimum buffer. I would also like to know how many kids
e~~'~'' could be allowed in that house per the state requirements, max. It's 1,450 minus this,
minus that, and, then, you end up with 35 square feet per -- I'd like to know what that is '~,
and I guess I'm proposing that they come back to us with that information and with the
'.~ information on the parking and get it the way it's supposed to be before we send it to the
City Council.
Borup: I think maybe we can get some information -- or maybe some input from the
applicant on the -- well, let's discuss that, on the numbers, whether they have to have
the license people come out first --
Centers: Well, they are going to have to come back if we recommend that and, then,
they could have that at that time. j
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`~"!`<,~ Borup: You need to state your name, please.
Sheridan: Okay. My name is Debbie Sheridan. I would be the on-site director of the
'~~:."< pre-school. We measured the space ourselves and we, actually, only came out to 28, '
~`r~:~<<` so we put 30, because we weren't sure what the licensing agency would come out to.
r:"`~~ Borup: Okay. You previously said up to 32, possibly.
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couldn't be real solid on that, because the kitchen space is so open. They allow you to
_~'' use some of that space.
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~'`'"'' Sheridan: That was our calculation and we measured the area the first time.
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~~~`'-~ Sheridan: And that's, like I say, one of the reasons we chose that building and looked
~`~'`° long for a building, was we thought it was an ideal location, because it was a nice
'~ neighborhood and we thought it was a nicer place to put apre-school than say in a
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Borup: Okay. Thank you.
Sheridan: Thank you.
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~;4 Borup: Well, I agree with Commissioner Centers' statement. I think the buffering is '~
~~~ important and part of that would be perhaps some increased landscaping in that buffer
~r* beyond the minimum and one of the big concerns was traffic and that would be mine,
too, if we are talking about cars trying to pull in an alley and back around while another
hY" car is trying to get in, I can see some real congestion problems there. So, some type of
-- you know, either drive-thru in design or an easy turn around or something, so they are
not doing the backing. Is that what you were referring to Commissioner?
-~~ Centers: Exactly. Well -- and I think the applicant should be prepared to come back
~''' and show where they are going to do the landscape buffer.
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'~ ~° that, that you're going to get my vote. I haven't decided yet. I want that to be made
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~ Rohm: I also think that before we can really make a good decision, all of those
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;~_~` traffic congestion? What is your specific response to the buffer in accordance with the
~'1"` residential area, how will you try and maintain that ambiance. And if you can take care
~F; „ of those three things, then, you have at least addressed the concerns of the public and
~ ~'<< that would help a lot with this application. And we couldn't act on it without some sort of
~~ response in those three areas. It seems logical.
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~_ Mathes: I have another comment on the buffer. Since you might be parking that way,
~~`'``µ~` you might want to put some type of landscaping in where headlights aren't going into
h~: their house, since he sleeps weird hours.
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~~ ~ ~ McKinnon: Mr. Chairman, Members of the Commissions, Bruce and I have been talking
'`~ about that just a little bit and there may be a - I don't know how the applicant or the -- or
Mr. -- I'm sorry, I had the name written down. Mr. Rokovitz? Darrin? Sorry. A fence as
°'~`h part of the buffer may be helpful in reducing noise, in addition to the additional
landscaping.
«__=~ Centers: There is just a four foot fence there now, isn't there, Dave?
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'~~ Centers: Well, I think I read that on this schematic.
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;'~ Borup: So you're saying a solid six foot --
McKinnon: That's another option that you have for increasing the buffer and that may
r- be something that you might consider in addition to the additional landscaping.
Centers: Well -- and just a comment to the applicant's Conditional Use Permit.
~~ Conditional. I mean it's not cart blanche. And, then, you know, you apply for the permit
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~~'` five. You can't ask for a lot of concessions when you're asking for a conditional permit.
That's my view. The city has certain ordinances and they like them followed and, then,
to ask for exceptions sometimes doesn't cut it, so --
Borup: Well -- and another question is how much time? Was that discussed with the
staff? Okay. How much time does the applicant think you'd need to go through those
-;p items? Okay. He said probably the middle of next week. So, I guess our earliest
meeting would be available -one option would be the April 3`d. One tonight had asked
<_" about that, but we did not continue it to April 3rd, so we do have one subdivision
application that night and, then, other miscellaneous applications on the 3`d. Yes, I don't
see any of the others being real time consuming. We have got a full agenda, but --
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_ Rohm: Well, besides that, I think that we have heard the public testimony, for all intents
~~ ~ and purposes, and so long as the applicant responds to their concerns, it shouldn't take
along time to --
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testimony at that time we would, of course, accept it. j
;'~; Borup: Well, we would need to do -- we'd need to leave the Public Hearing open to
.~>><^ receive additional --
Rohm: Or for new testimony, not the same --
Borup: Right. You're saying the testimony should be based on the new site plan or
something.
Rohm: Exactly.
Borup: Okay.
Centers: Well, with that, I think the applicant knows what we would like to see. I would
recommend that we continue Public Hearing No. 9 on our agenda, RZ 03-003, and No.
10 on our agenda, CUP 03-006, continue both public hearings to our April 3rd meeting.
Mathes: Second.
Borup: Motion and second. All in favor? All right. Thank you. So, this will be
continued to April 3rd.
MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Borup: And we normally put the continued hearings first on the agenda. Okay,
Commissioners, a couple other items. Well, I may need some help from one of the staff
members. Okay. Two -- a couple of --
Mathes: I have a question.
Borup: Yes. Go ahead, Leslie.
Mathes: The ACHD report on Paramount, do you have it?
McKinnon: Mr. Chairman, Commissioner Mathes, yesterday the ACHD Planning and
Zoning Commission met to discuss Paramount and noted four to one in favor of
approving Paramount with staff comments. They did revise the staff comments
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':~ concerning some turn lanes and received that yesterday from the applicant, had not yet
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`~~ the City Council members wanted me to remind the Commission of a joint meeting and -
-only she didn't say what date that was supposed to be -- April 29th was the 5th
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,a,c: Tuesday and that was set for our P&Z Commission, City Council joint workshop. She
.~ wanted to know if we wanted to put anything on the agenda. I talked about the --
{ ~~~ maybe discussing a priority on amendments that we are working on and part of that --
' '~'- did any of the rest of you get the strategic plan list in your boxes?
'"~~ `~ Centers: Yeah.
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>f; if we ever got a real good answer. Okay. And let me ask -- David, on -- and I didn't get
"~"' out and review that, but I think as has been mentioned on proposed amendments, is the
block len th in one of those?
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'~^ McKinnon: Definition of block length and revising the block length minimums and
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difference. But -- and maybe it needs both. You're saying that also to increase the
`~ _'`~~ maximum block length would also be another area of discussion? j
yx~; McKinnon: Yeah. Mr. Chairman, Members of the Commission, I'm actually working on
>~~~~_~ that and a couple of the issues that we have in the Comprehensive Plan suggest that
we have maximum block lengths of 300 feet in our neighborhood centers, but our own
`'' Planning and Zoning ordinance says no more than 500 and so we need to get those two
_ back into agreement with each other. So, I am working on that. If you have any
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exceptions they were wanting on setbacks and -- wasn't it setback exceptions? A
number of exceptions.
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passed and the Council passed and they wanted exceptions to those? For the new
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" in my head when I was writing the report for that as to whether or not their requested
~'~ exceptions were actually permitted. Several of the ones that they were requesting as
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"`` Borup: That's fine. Actually, those are kind of nice. Then, we get to worry about it.
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'~ `~ McKinnon: Two items on the agenda. It's Callister Development for a Comp Plan
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know Brad is working frantically to get things together for the north Meridian area.
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Borup: Motion and second to adjourn. All in favor?
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AZ 02-031
MERIDIAN PLANNING 8~ ZONING MEETING March 20, 2003
APPLICANT Crestline Development, LLC ITEM NO. 4
REQUEST Continued Public Hearing from February 6, 2003 -Request for annexation and zoning of ;
of 39.05 acres from RUT to R-8 zones for proposed Castlebrook Subdivision No. 2 -4000 West Pine
Avenue, east of Black Cat Road and south of West Cherry Lane
AGENCY COMMENTS
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CITY CLERK:
CITY ENGINEER:
CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR:
CITY ATTORNEY
CITY POLICE DEPT:
CITY FIRE DEPT:
CITY BUILDING DEPT:
CITY WATER DEPT:
CITY SEWER DEPT:
CITY PARKS DEPT:
MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT:
SANITARY SERVICES:
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT:
CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH:
NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION:
SETTLERS' IRRIGATION:
IDAHO PQWER:
INTERMOUNTAIN GAS:
OTHER:
Contacted: Date: Phone:
Materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meddlan.
See previous Item Packet
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``'''`` MERIDIAN PLANNING 8~ ZONING MEETING March 20, 2003
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-~;~` APPLICANT Crestline Development, LLC ITEM NO. 5
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REQUEST Continued Public Hearing from February 6, 2003 -Request for Preliminary Plat approval
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CITY BUILDING DEPT:
CITY WATER DEPT:
CITY SEWER DEPT:
CITY PARKS DEPT:
MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT:
SANITARY SERVICES:
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT:
CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH:
NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION:
SETTLERS' IRRIGATION:
IDAHO POWER:
INTERMOUNTAIN GAS:
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MERIDIAN PLANNING & ZONING MEETING March 20, 2003
APPLICANT The Land Group, Inc. ITEM NO. 6
REQUEST Continued Public Hearing from March 6, 2003 -Request for a Rezone of 6.95 acres from
L-0 to L-O and C-G zones for Mallane Commercial Complex -north of East Fairview Avenue and
west of North Eagle Road
AGENCY COMMENTS
CITY CLERK: See previous Item Packet
CITY ENGINEER: See attached Legal Description
CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR:
CITY ATTORNEY
CITY POLICE DEPT:
CITY FIRE DEPT:
CITY BUILDING DEPT:
CITY WATER DEPT:
CITY SEWER DEPT:
CITY PARKS DEPT:
MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT:
SANITARY SERVICES:
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT:
CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH:
NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION:
SETTLERS' IRRIGATION:
IDAHO POWER:
INTERMOUNTAIN GAS:
OTHER: See attached Plat Map
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Materials presented at public meetings shall become properly of the City of Meddfan.
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MERIDIAN PLANNING 8~ ZONING MEETING March 20, 2003
APPLICANT Dan WOOd ITEM NO. 7
REQUEST Continued Public Hearing from March 6, 2003 -Request for annexation and zoning of
14.31 acres from RUT to R-8 zones for proposed Timberfalls Subdivision -south of East Ustick Road
and west of North Locust Grove Road
AGENCY COMMENTS
CITY CLERK: See previous Item Packet
CITY ENGINEER:
CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: See attached Staff Comments
CITY ATTORNEY
CITY POLICE DEPT:
CITY FIRE DEPT:
CITY BUILDING DEPT:
CITY WATER DEPT:
CITY SEWER DEPT:
CITY PARKS DEPT:
MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT:
SANITARY SERVICES:
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT:
CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH:
NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION:
SETTLERS' IRRIGATION:
IDAHO POWER:
INTERMOUNTAIN GAS:
OTHER: See ottached Revised Plat
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' of 50 building lots and 6 other lots on T4.3T acres in a proposed R-8 zone for proposed Timberfalls
Subdivision -south of East Ustick Road and west of North Locust Grove Road
AGENCY COMMENTS
`~~ CITY CLERK: See previous Item Packet
CITY ENGINEER:
CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: See attached Staff Comments
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MERIDIAN PLANNING 8~ ZONING MEETING March 20, 2003
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;~'~:' REQUEST Public Hearing - Reques for a Rezone of 0.35 acres from R-4 to O-T zones for Merlyn
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Schmeckpeper - 230 West Pine Avenue
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CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: "INe have No Objections to this Proposal"
NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: No Comment
„' :~j SETTLERS' IRRIGATION:
'-~'`'I~ IDAHO POWER:
INTERMOUNTAIN GAS:
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MERIDIAN PLANNING 8~ ZONING MEETING March 20, 2003
APPLICANT Sharon O'Toole and Debbie and James Sheridan ITEM NO.
REQUEST Public Hearing -Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a Child Care Facility for
approximately 30 children in a proposed O-T zone for Sunshine Academy -- 230 West Pine Avenue
AGENCY COMMENTS
CITY CLERK:
CITY ENGINEER:
CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR:
CITY ATTORNEY
CITY POLICE DEPT:
CITY FIRE DEPT:
CITY BUILDING DEPT:
CITY WATER DEPT: See c#tcched Comments
CITY SEWER DEPT: "NO Comment"'
CITY PARKS DEPT:
MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT:
SANITARY SERVICES: See attached Comments
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT:
CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: See attached Comments
NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION:
SETTLERS' IRRIGATION:
IDAHO POWER:
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AZ 03-006
MERIDIAN PLANNING 8~ ZONING MEETING March 20, 2003
APPLICANT Paramount, LLC ITEM NO. ~ ~I
REQUEST Public Hearing -- Request for annexation and zoning of 397.11 acres from RUT and R-1
zones to R-8, R-40, L-0 and C-G zones for proposed Paramount Subdivision -west of North Meridian
Road and north of West McMillan Road
AGENCY COMMENTS
CITY CLERK:
CITY ENGINEER:
CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR:
CITY ATTORNEY
CITY POLICE DEPT:
CITY FIRE DEPT: See attached Comments
CITY BUILDING DEPT:
CITY WATER DEPT: "Ok with Meridian Water Department"
CITY SEWER DEPT: No Comment
CITY PARKS DEPT:
MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT:
SANITARY SERVICES: "No Comment"
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT:
CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: "We have No Objections to this Proposal"
NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: No Comment
SETTLERS' IRRIGATION:
IDAHO POWER:
INTERMOUNTAIN GAS:
OTHER:
Contacted: Date: Phone:
Materlafs presented at public meetings shall become properly of fhe Cffy of fdleridian.
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`~ ~' REQUEST Public Hearing -- Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 764 building lots and 37 other
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west of North Meridian and north of West McMillan Roads
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CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR:
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See attached Comments
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:~`'~ ' CITY SEWER DEPT: °'No Comment"
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- MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: See attached Comments
SANITARY SERVICES: No Comment
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT:
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`'''Y NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: NO Comment
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