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2006 03-30~_ ~ ~~ ~i'c~ L~' z ~'~; ~.~:,. ;`r.` CITY OF MERIDIAl~T ~~ ~. ~r .7 ~~M MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING SPECIAL MEETING ~`. `~ AGENDA ~. ,,. Thursday, March 30, 2006 at 6:30 P.M. -.. - City of Meridian Police Station ~` ''. Public Meeting Room ~F:=~ 1401 East Watertower Street Meridian, Idaho "';" .. ~'~ 1. Roll-call Attendance: ~} ,. Keith Borup David Moe , Wendy Newton-Huckabay David Zaremba ~' Chairman Michael Rohm ~~~ ~~; "~~~ 2. Adoption of the Agenda: 4 ~' 3. Presentation by Joe Canning regarding "Eudgeting a Development: ~ The Costs of Subdividing": ~ ~ ~ 4. Presentation on Access Management by Patricia Nilsson and Sue ~t ~~ ,- Sullivan: ~~_ '~ 5. Presentation on US 20-26 (Chinden) Corridor Study Patricia Nilsson ~~ ~ and Sue Sullivan: ~` 6 Discussion with Sue Sullivan from ITD about the status of SH-16 ~ ~°' ''~ . alignment /studies and Highway 20/26 right-of-way preservation, ~ - ;~ potential design and timing for road widening through Meridian: ~` ~,;:~ 7. Update on ITD projects in the Meridian area, including the SH-16 ~~"`" alignment study by Sue Sullivan: ,x, ~ r ~; ~ 8. Update "Studies that are in the Process" by Steve Siddoway and ~~ ~~~ Matt Ellsworth: '~~ 9. Discussion about a possible consent agenda for the Commission - ~~ hearings: ~~~~ ~~ :,; Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Special Meeting Agenda -March 30, 2006 Page 1 of 1 All materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. ~5 ~ Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilities related to documents and/or hearings please contact the City Clerk's Office at 888-4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting. ~; CITY OF MERIDIAN ~: MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING SPECIAL MEETING AGENDA ~~ Thursday, March 30, 2006 at 6:30 P.M. ,, ~. City of Meridian Police Station Public Meeting Room 1401 East Watertower Street Meridian, Idaho }~~ 1. Roll-call Attendance: ,~ ~~~: ~~ Keith Borup X David Moe ~' C" _ Wendy Newton-Huckabay ~ David Zaremba _~Chairman Michael Rohm ' ~ 2. Adoption of the Agenda: „~J~ rCU Y_;: ' ~` 3. Presentation by Joe Canning regarding "Budgeting a Development: °> ~~= The Costs of Subdividing": ~~~~~~,~~ ~ ~ 4. Presentation on Access, Management by Patricia Nilsson and Sue Sullivan: ~~~j~iv~~-C~ ~.: ~~ ` 5. Presentation on US 20-26 (Chinden) Corridor Study Patricia Nilsson e~;, and Sue Sullivan: ~ ~~ ~~ ~..~,r- ~~, 6. Discussion with Sue Sullivan from ITD about the status of SH-16 alignment /studies and Highway 20/26 right-of--way preservation, potential design and timing for road widening through Meridian: ~~ d'L G I_.~ OL s! < 7. Update on ITD projects in the Meridian area, including the SH-16 alignment study by Sue Sullivan: ~~~0~1,~~,~,-(~• .._i;,;. 8. Update "Studies that are in the Process" by Steve Siddoway and Matt Ellsworth: ~~~ ~, Vl:~c~:. 9. 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Discussion with Sue Sullivan from ITD about the status of SH-1~ alignment /studies and Highway 20/26 right-of way preservation potential design and timing for road widening through Meridian: 7. Update on ITD projects in the Meridian area, including the SH-1(~ alignment study by Sue Sullivan: i 8• Update "Studies that are in the Process" by Steve Siddoway and Matt Ellsworth: i 9. Discussion about a possible consent agenda for the Commission hearings: II Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Special Meeting Agenda -March 30, 2006 Page 1 of 1 All materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the Clty of Meridian. Anyone desiring acccrommodation for disabilities related to documents and/or hearings ~ please contact the City Clerk's Office at 888-4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting. !~ ~~a µµ ` "` ~' y ~`~ ~ 4 J ~ ,~i~ ~t~~~~~ ~~'~~ ~ ~ TI i S~~ 'W-K :.k` ~ a f+~ _ _ 1 lam. 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Presentation on US 20-26 (Chinden) Corridor Study Patricia Nilsson ,y.;:~ and Sue Sullivan: I: a ., `' 6. Discussion with Sue Sullivan from ITD about the status of SH-1 alignment /studies. and Highway 20/26 right-of--way preservation potential design and timing for road widening through Meridian: ~x F` `~ ` ` 7. Update on ITD projects in the Meridian area, including the SH-1 alignment study by Sue Sullivan: ~~; ; 8. Update "Studies that are in the Process" by Steve Siddoway an~ Matt Ellsworth: 9. Discussion about a possible consent agenda for the Commission ~~ hearings: !~ Meridian Plannin and Zonin Commission S ecial Meeting Agenda -March 30, 2006 Page 1 of 1 ~"`~~~', 9 9 P All materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. ~ Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilities related to documents and/or hearings ~., please contact the City Clerk's Office at 888-4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting. 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Rountree Shaun Wardle CITY DEPARTMENTS City Attorney/HR 703 Main Street 898-5506 (City Attorney) 898-5503 (HR) Fax 884-8723 Fire 540 E. Franklin Road 888-1234/fax 895-0390 Parks & Recreation 11 W. Bower Street 888-3579/fax 898-5501 Planning 660 E. Watertower Lane Suite 202 884-5533/fax 888-6844 Police 1401 E. Watertower Lane 888-6678/fax 846-7366 Public Works 660 E. Watertower Lane Suite 200 898-5500/fax 895-9551 - Building 660 E. Watertower Lane Suite 150 887-2211 /fax 887-1297 - Wastewater 3401 N. Ten Mile Road 888-2191/fax 884-0744 - Water 2235 N.W. Sth Street 888-5242/fax 884-1159 NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the Planning and Zoning Commission of the City of Meridian will hold a Special Meeting ati City of Meridian Police Station, Public Meeting Room, 1401 East Watertower Street, Meridian, Idaho, on Thursday, March 30, 2006 at 6:30 P.M. The Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission will be discussing the following agenda items: Presentation by Joe Canning regarding "Budgeting a Development: The Costs of Subdividing"• Presentation on Access Management by Patriaa Nilsson end Sue Sullivan: Presentation on US 20-26 (Chinden) Corridor Study Patricia Nilsson and Sue Sullivan: Discussion with Sue Sullivan from ITD about the status of SH-~6 alignment/studies and Highway 20/26 right-of-way prase 'oration, potential design and timing for road widening through Meridian: Update on ITD projects in the Meridian area, including the'~SH-96 alignment study by Sue Sullivan: ^' Update "Studies that are in the Process" by Steve Siddow~y and Matt Ellsworth: Discussion about a possible consent agenda for the Comrmission hearings: The public is welcome to attend the special meetin~°°~°~~ ' ~ ~'°y,'® ~~ A ~ 4 DATED this 27~' of March, 2006 ~ ~ = ~fm WILLIAM G. BERG, J ,. - rp~q~ ' CL~[~ERK 4 ryAdd J ~~'1qg ~°,~®,,a pj~~t~~l-i1-10-I Rt1 01q~'a~~~v~ 1 Meridian City Planning & Zoning Commission Speaal M®etfng -March 3Q 2d06 All materials presented of public meetings shall become the property of the C~7y of Meridian. Myone desinng accommodation for disabilities related to documents and / or hearings, please contact the C G®rk's OtFice at 888-443 at least 48 hours r to t pu G meeting. CITY HALL 33 EAST IDAHO~VENUE MERIDIAN, 1DAxo 83642 ~~~8) 8~~ 44~~ CITY CLERK -FAX 588-4218 FINANCE & UTILITY B[LLING -FAX 887-4813 MAYOR'S OFFICE -FAX 884-81]9 Printed on recycled paper }j ', ..:. `° ~ ** TX CONFIRMATION REPORT ** AS OF MAR 2? '06 17 40 PAGE. ~~:; ~_ CITY OF MERIDIAN ` DATE TIME TOiFROM MODE MINiSEC PGS CMD# STATUS ~r = ~: 0? 0312? 1?~03 8848?23 EC--S 00'46" 002 083 OK ~;.:; 08 0312? 17 04 WATER DEPT EC--S 80'46" 002 083 OK 09 0312? 1?~06 2088840?44 EC--S 00'48 " 002 083 OK ~rr~., 10 03/2? 170? POLICE DEPT EC--S 00'46" 002 083 OK 11 03127 17 08 8985501 EC--S 00'46" 002 083 OK ~ 12 0312? 1?~09 LIBRARY EC--S 00'47" 002 083 OK ~ ~ 13 0312? 17 11 20837?6449 EC--S 00'46" 002 083 OK 14 03127 1?~12 3886924 EC--S 00'4?" 002 083 OK f` ' 15 0312? 17 13 P-AND-Z EC--S 00'47" 002 083 OK ~~ ' 16 03127 17 15 ALL AMERICAN INS EC--S 00'46" 002 083 OK `, 1? 0312? 1?~16 FIRE DEPT EC--S 00'46" 002 083 OK ~ ~ 18 0312? 17 18 208 888 2682 EC--S 00'4?" 002 083 OK ti:.;~k, 19 0312? 17 19 208 38? 6393 EC--S 00'4?" 002 083 OK 20 0312? 17 21 2088885052 EC--S 00'4?" 002 083 OK ~ 21 0312? 1?~22 LAKEVIEW GOLFCOU G3--S 01'21" 002 083 OK f ' ~? 22 0312? 1?~24 IDAHO ATHLETIC C EC--S 00'46" 002 083 OK =__',~ '~ 23 0312? 17 25 ID PRESS TRIBUNE EC--S 00'4?" 002 083 OK . 24 0312? 1?~2? 2088886701 EC--S 00'45" 002 083 OK ~~ ; _ 25 0312? 17 32 PUBLIC WORKS EC--S 00' 46" 002 083 OK 26 0312? 17 33 ADA CTY DEUELMT EC--S 00'46" 002 083 OK ~., 27 0312? 17 40 VALLEY TIMES ----S 00'00" 000 083 BUSY .y,° ~~~ THIS DOCUMENT I S STILL I N MEMORY ~ ~k CrT`Y OF MFRXDIAN w ~'. MERIDIAN PINNING qNp ZONING SPECIq~ MEE AG~Npq TING Thursday, March 30, 2006 at 6:30 P.M. '' City of Meridian Police Station Public Meeting Room 1401 East Watertower Street Meridian, Idaho 1 • Roll-call Attendance: Keith Borup ` , ~_ Wendy Newton-Huckabay ~- David Moe >';~: ~ ,Chairman Michael Rohm - David Zaremba ~' 2• Adoption of the Agenda: ;F 01 c ,~,, _~:eyr ~r ~ ~..4 ~ 4~~ Yx~~ .` r :, sir. ,~ A e~~2Yf t ~ 1 t,~. Sx S ~'~ r ~f 471P:, ~ t -0~ !r i, a.t _ e i t rT. ? ~~ ~~ h. ~~ F s-:..i 4e.~Fst~~ f ry ~ 3 ~ yy t -Y~4 r1~~4. ~ F.~L 4 ~~~. :h.- 5 ~Y y 7h.~FR N'~ '.~~t . ill r l ~i ~_. f ti 4Y~ ~ ,t~ T` ~ t~ ti: t l +y 51``~a:~ ~~~ ~~ ~ •t....7 ~ .i:~ ~ rj ,,1~ ~Pl b _1 .~ ~~ { ~~ a Q os~ ~ ~ ~ P v ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~-~ ~. -~-~ l~ks ~e ~. ~ 1~ CITY OF k~~ 1 `~~ ~4, ~e ~ IDAI-10 y N®T~~~ ®~ SPECIAL 6~EETINt3 '~ y~ 0 ~/ ®B ® ~~qy a (/~~ `/~_ M ~/y~ i C~~FR ~~TRE,iSURE VN-~Y 0 M r\~~I~!® A~D ~®~I~V tl®~OS~IM~I®~ 61ttCE 1993 MAYOR Tammy de weerd f\1®TICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the Planning and Zoning CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS G®rrlr~ission of the City of Meridian will hold a Special Meeting at Keith Bird Gity of Meridian Police Station, Public Meeting Room, 1 01 East Joseph W. Borton Charles M. Rountree lNatertower Street, Meridian, Idaho, on 'Thursday, March 3A, 2®®6 at Shaun Wardle 6030 P.M. The Meridian Planning and Zoning Commissio will be CITY DEPARTMENTS discussing the following agenda items. City Attorney/HR 703 Main Street 898-5506 (City Attorney) ^' Presenfation by Joe Canning regarding Budgeting a Dev ~opment: 898-5503 (HR) The CoSt'S Of SUbdlvldinQ"." Fax 884-8723 Fire ~ Presentation on Access Management by Patricia Nilsson a~-d Sue 540 E. Franklin Road Sullivan: 888-1234 /fax 895-0390 a Presentation on US 20-26 (Chinden) Corridor Study Patrici Parks & Recreation Nilsson and Sue Sullivan: 11 W. Bower Street 888-3579 /fax 898-5501 ~ ®iscussion with Sue Sullivan from lTD about the status of SH-16 Planning alignment/studies and Highway 20/26 right-of-way preser~ Lion, 660 E. Watertower Lane potential design and timing for road widenin throe h Meridian: Suite 202 9 9 884-5533 /fax 888-6844 ^° Update on ITD projects in the Meridian area, including the H-16 Police alignment study by Sue Sullivan: 1401 E. Watertower Lane ~ Update Studies that are in the Process" b Steve Siddowa,~ and 888-6678/fax 846-7366 y Malt Ellsworth: Public Works 660 E. Watertower Lane Discussion about a possible consent agenda for the Commission Suite 200 hearings: 898-5500 /fax 895-9551 ~+~~~~~ti~~t,+ I aaalll~eapoAd~~,~~, - Building 660 E. Watertower Lane TI'1e public is welcome to attend the special meetin.~:``~~~; ~~,~~~.~, Suite 150 ~ ,~ 4; p~~ °;, 887-2211 /fax 887-1297 DATED this 27~' of March, 2006 ~'~ ' ~ - Wastewater ~~' ,r'T-" °`~ !;a __ 3401 N. Ten Mile Road V1/ILLIAM G. BERG, JT . - J ~~ LERI~ 888-2].91 /fax 884-0744 .„ ~ , ~~ ILA -'e~'y~. p.~;,t; , t" - Water 2235 N.W. 8th Street ~fP~i ~~,~.~~~ , ~~9~V,~~ 888-5242 /fax 884-1159 t°ae~r~ra~a aaaaaa`'`"' ' Meridian City Planning & Zoning Commission Specie/ M®eting -March 30, 20i All mat®rials presented at public meetings shall b®come the property of the Cfiy of N Anyone d®siring accommodatio_nQfor disabiliti3e.~s related to documents and / or heap CITY HALL ~33SEAST IDAHO ~ ~NUE~NI)~ BDISA~N, 1DAlIaIO 83642 ~ ~~~~)to8 h8 p~u~b~{i3c CITY CLERK -FAX 888-4218 FINANCE & UTILITY BILLING -FAX 887-4813 MAYOR'S OFFICE -FAX 884-88119 Printed on recycled paper -: s Er ~, .2< ~~ F ~-- ;, ~~ 4 :; ;~ :~ '~: ,H.'. 1.. ~'~~~~ -: ~y ~,~ ti '."i4 ~~ Meridian Planning and Zoni I I Special Meeting of the Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission of March 30,1 2006, was called to order at 6:30 p.m. at the Meridian Police Department by Chairman Michael Rohm. Members Present: Michael Rohm, Wendy Newton-Huckabay, David Moe, Keith I Borup and David Zaremba. Staff Present: Anna Canning, Steve Siddoway, Caleb Hood, Matt Ellsworth and ~haron Smith. ', Rohm: Good evening everybody. We are now going to have this Special Meting of Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission and I think we will start with the roll call of attendance. Item 1: Roll-Call Attendance: '~ Roll-call X Wendy Newton-Huckabay X Keith Borup X David Moe -Vice Chairman X David Zaremba X Michael Rohm -Chairman Item 2: Adoption of the Agenda: Rohm: I would like to have the adoption of the agenda and I don't know if there a'~~re any changes to it, so can we get a motion? ~ Zaremba: So moved. Moe: Second. Rohm: It has been moved and seconded that we adopt the agenda. All those ir~ favor say aye. Opposed same sign? I, ~i ALL AYES. MOTION CARRIED. Item 3: Presentation by Joe Canning regarding "Budgeting a Develop~~ment: The Costs of Subdividing": I, I Rohm: We will start next with the presentation by Joe Canning. J. Canning: That is me. i Rohm: That would be you. ~ ,~ ~~ $; i, k 9 , ham., ~, , ~ PEix e~.-; ~~y~ ~ } ,.. ~.s~ , ~: ~ ~ ~~; e F.F^~. ape ~, f'{ 3t ~ ~+jt w 2 f f ~.. ~ , 5 ~I:l t^ fn a ~A': .. ~ .z h~.a t i rL . '~" ~ rx' ~ ~;,'rn i ~} ~ ~. ~ .r '~`t d 1~1~~. Ya'~ F ~.:. , yr} ftif 3 ' ~' t ~' r: ,E r - _ ~ ~, 7~ .7 ~ j ~ ~~ '~'.~ ~ a. ~ J '` ° x~ 7 ~` r " ~. "~ ° ~ K r a+~< ~ . , ..,. t~ ~s~~1~ ~«~ ,u~ ~ r, ?; fi at - ., `~~ ~ r7` ~~ ~ '; a.. y ~ y ,2 'E','.~ pn?'.r KH _^S t.,. .~ II ~ ` ~,; ;: a_ ~; `u i } ~'. A _- _. i i :r r ;. _'! 4' ^,: 'F ,~~~' - ;~.r Meridian Planning & Zoning Commis~n Special Meeting March 30, 2006 Page 2 of 60 a %~r~ r J. Canning: Just want to say that I think I have been hoodwinked. I didn't realize his was a presentation per se. Rohm: Lucky you. ', '~ J. Canning: I do have a handout. I guess I will just pass that around this w~ y and { whoever needs to have one of those can take one and I thought it was more or le, ~s just ~~ I~4 , answering questions. Quite some time ago, I had a client contact me that is in th south Meridian impact area and they were just purchasing land or looking at purchasinl g land } with the idea of just investing and holding onto it. Basically, banking it for a whi le and request do we do a feasibility study on development on that site? It is a small sit s. It is but we went ahead and did the analysis -there was a little mo ;'' only five acres ~e to it , u:; :'{= than just this. This is just more or less the cost site - we looked into some other issues '° as far as density, (inaudible) perhaps he could do. Tried to project some timefra es on "' `" what they might be looking at as far as getting the site developed and kind of thin gs like x, ~ ~ that. But, I gave kind of a stripped down copy of this to my wife, Anna and I thiq ~k she presented it to some folks at Meridian. Maybe you folks saw it about ayear - th is was r `` done about 18 months ago, I think is when we first looked at this project. I unders tand it generated some interest and it also is rather timely because the client just contac ed me about three weeks ago and asked if we would update the figures. So, these are brand new figures as of about one week ago -from what we have seen going on in th costs ~~..;; of projects in the area. So, I was invited tonight to kind of give a quick presenta ion on ~_~:;~~;, this and of course I am more than happy to answer any questions as we go thr~' ugh it. Now, this is a five-acre site. It is fairly efficient little site. The internal roadway ystem ,,; on it, the lease that we were looking at is not the most efficient, but it is not un pical projects. It does have a cul-de-sac in it. There is a frontage road, essentially that is only single loaded, we have to put it in because the property on the other side would ~~ ~~ have to have access, so there is some additional costs that wa to the develo Y P ~r that ~; isn't ideal, but it's not unusual. That is fairly common on developments. In fiv'~ e-acre ;n pieces it is not uncommon at all. There are no off-site costs in this at all. We ma' a the "~~~ presumption that these folks are going to wait until all of the services were avail ~ble to the site. So, there are no fees in here for city water and sewer to this property. ~ r o, this _ is essential) what would ha en on that five-acre iece and then the frontage r -~ ~ Y pP P N ~ oad as far as existing public roads that are not - I am not at liberty to say specifically whd _ re this site is, but it was kind of a good example. So, what we did is we kind of broke iil down into various categories and I can just out here at the top. Site development usu Ily go ~`~ ~ . in first, just use some general site grating, and get set up for erosion and se invent ~' control management. So, there are some fees involved in just getting the site p epped ''~"" and ready to start for construction. Then the sanitary sewer is usually next - s art up some costs projects in there. Once again this is assuming the sewer is to the sits . I do ~~'" have a possible reimbursement sewer fee on there. Usually developers _. didn't (inaudible) to public roads (inaudible--) the sewer along the frontage into their p ojects - and of course if someone comes in on the other side of the road then typically th late- - comer's fees would pay for half of that and have to come back to that develope j . The `~° '~ next one is a (inaudible) fire protection (inaudible). The same type of thing, w ater is ~. .. ~ ;" Meridian Planning 8~ Zoning Commis3Tbn Special Meeting "',:.'js ~_ March 30, 2006 '~' `' Page 3 of 60 already to the site, but there would be some extensions and existing public roa s and '.~ so there is usually reimbursement possible on that also - I don't want to call it ff-site, ~~ ~~~_ but it is adjoining site development (inaudible). At this particular site they are due to ~' ',~ ~`-.{, ~; have some gravity and drainage facilities on it that need to be piped; however, th se are not substantial. Those are pretty small ditches. So, those are not a significant ost at ` ; all. Those are kind of fairly normal with whatever projects. A pressure irrigation ~ystem "} ~ -- we looked at installing a pressure irrigation system in for the project and then on the next page is public utilities, which (inaudible) Idaho Power, Intermountain Gas, west, Cable T.V. and currently, of course, all those are typically installed at joint redge ~` " installations, so there is a projected fee in there. There is reimbursement that I omes ''` back on that from the utility companies and that varies a little bit from project to roject, >:~~ but on this particular one it worked out to about $16,200 and then I have of the ~~~-" frontage public street improvements and of course those would be the existing b sic "c" =:r.: streets, so that was about $17,000 - (inaudible--) when you put in curb, utter, sidewalks, street widening, etc., and then the internal public street improv ments connects -that is just for the (inaudible) and side project and we projected some street lights to go in and so that accounted for a total construction of about $446,000 ~n that ~~ five acres. Obviously, the things that are missing in this are some of the things a call some ornamental entry wo k and amenities such as landscaping (inaudible) sensing ~~`'~ , , , those kind of things that are not typically true engineering items, so it is up tow at the Y ~ developer wants to do on that and that is usually a separate item. So, at this point and ~ ~~ time we usually had a contingency fee and 10 percent is really pretty tight at thi~ point and time, we don't have construction plans or anything, so it is just kind of a gues . So, ' we have got about $490,000 for our total construction costs, which that in itself is a cost ~~' of almost $33,000 per lot on this particular site. I can't remember if I - yeah, I t ok all that part out too - a number of lots we had. I think they are projecting on this ones about ''~`~~, three or three and one half units per acre - ~I Canning: Fifteen. " .~ J. Canning: Fifteen? So, about three then. So, anyway that equates about $ ~ 3,000 per lot. The total reimbursement is about $51,000 that could possibly come back to the developer, so it ended up to about $29,000 as a net cost. Now, this does not i elude ~ ' any of the soft costs that are involved in the project. That is kind of the next ite~rn that ~~, ~> we plugged in some budget figures for the developer, which are essentially engineering, legal, entitlement costs as far as review (inaudible) and those kinds of things. Sq, I put rur:; ; some numbers in there. I do not include financing costs. Financing varies quit a bit from project to project -how the developer does it -how strong he is and al~o the length of the timeframe of the projects. So, we really don't know what that is. ~o, we have got land surveys, concept entitlement, project design, construction and c ntract p. administration, (inaudible) erosion control, construction surveying, const uction observation, legal consulting and then submittal and review fees. So, the tot I soft ~~~~~ costs are about $42,000, ten percent contingent on that so about $47,000. So, tf~e cost per lot is about $3,100 just for the soft costs. None of this includes the land eithe . The ~ .r land plan is obviously extra (inaudible) above this. So, all that comes into about $32,400 for net costs after reimbursements. Then just for information for the dev~loper, I ~. ~,~ ~~#• '''..; a:;~' r• •~, y§a ~:4i' 'r s "Js s t, r y~ ,4 r a'. ~ r ~ . z'~; •I r~$i:.~~tk:a.. :~." ~,~ '~:., ~,tl~`~ i~.'%~•=~ _~~'~c "~s~ .,y~ ::'xa`~~' ~ k '.&-. s .h K;~ a~'s af; ~~'. :. Y ~' ~3" ..E.i..l: Y '• w ~' "~ Z'E 3 : ` 9"~ ~ ~ } ` ~"' ~ " ~ ~ ~ , • ,~ r. y ~'~ i~ „ ;+ s:;~ r. 4 >.,.n",,~, :i~ r_. y r': ~ , +^i4:3-1+.%S »: . I ':i i -YS r t t 1 ~ { - 4 ': ~'a ~:.Fx. 3:`x+• e~4'z~ ^"` YiA ;~. •:.:} ~ ~i.;- ... i. .. ~:~. ~ 3 Y ~t. F .'',.~~. 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That was kind of back when it was originally do ~e. Of course, the developer wouldn't necessarily pay those, usually the builder does. But, I wanted -- this particular client could be aware that those were responsibility of so eone in the area. So, that is about it. Rohm: Would you say that that is typical for larger subdivisions, too, or oes it incrementally go down as your subdivision size -take those 20-acre subd'vision (inaudible--) per unit cost (inaudible) better? '~ J. Canning: Possibly. I mean, if I had somebody that has called me cold on the hone, I would just tell them $25,000 a lot. Rohm: There you go. 'I J. Canning: I figure that about upfront and then I always caution them that that then also requires extras because the main problem with larger developments is it never fails that if it is a small site, you know three to five or six acres it has got some major pr blem it is not going to develop until something happens. Maybe the land is free and I am talking about major situations such as a major canal going through it, a drainage f cility, something that is going to really impact the value of that project. Now as the size~of the project increases, I mean you can almost guarantee on a 200 to 400 acres site, y«~u are going to have some major entity or major item on there that has got to be ha died, whether it is a canal, a drainage facility, you know something -you are gong to encounter something that would increase the cost. So, what I usually tell folks is figure $25,000 a lot plus the extras. I don't know what the extras are at that point an time. We have to look at them. Maybe there is an arterial that goes through the middle of the site that someone put on the traffic plan to be done, well, they are almost useless to the developer as far as the costs -direct costs out of their pocket (inaudible) particul rly to collectors and little advantage as in providing perhaps some access to it's com ~ ercial property and sometimes that helps. All those things are just extra. So, usually tf~ere is something in there that is going to drive the cost (inaudible). i Zaremba: I guess one of the questions I have is -and this is very helpful and ~ hat was looking for and I appreciate that. One of the things that always challenges m is an applicant brings in a project and maybe it's for 20 units on something (inaudible) a d we discuss some various things that we think need to be changed, probably sugges ed by staff, some of them by us and we think it ought to be 19 models and they have all~these numbers in their head and we don't see any of this, but they say I can't afford t~ do it with 19 models. Well, my thinking is the lots are going to be a little bit bigger, can't you charge more for a bigger lot and you come out (inaudible) anyhow and usually they don't seem to think that way. Am I off base or --? ,` 3 ,~.,~ , , ytiL. 4 ; , r:.: L ~.; ~ ,:,.. yL rt. M 'I ` H ~~-' ~ ~ 37~' ~ 1, ~~ 7 ~ 9 r ~ 3 '~ .~ ~ w~ a ::. _ ... . ,, .- ,, ^ ., • ~ ~ . ; y . .; ¢ :.e', ,. ~ sue.'.: ! ~ y~ !b. .... .. R .. .... ... . r ..... ~ , .x: .. -~. , ... .. ......... .. .... . . ' : " ~ ... ..~... ~;'.... ..~~' ..9 .,. ;.:.... . ..:. .. .. 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Canning: Yeah, there might be some incremental added value to a little larger lot, but h t ~ ~ it is really more of a function of the size of the project. Can you control your own ~estiny inside the boundaries of what they are doing or are they impacted by their neighb ~ rs? If _~~ ,= it is a smaller site, then their neighbors are probably going to drive their price poin more _ than what they are doing internally. They can do some things that screws it up, ut it is really their neighbors that are going to be driving the value back. !, kr'_ ~ Zaremba: Just blowing smoke. J. Canning: Well, and just as kind of a side item, the other thing is at this point a d time ~~_~ all we can do is - we just made a quick layout of this project, took some limited f ~ otage ~~'~. <' of roads, that threw on costs for asphalt, curb, gutter, sidewalk and all that stuff but - ~' and everything in here is cost per lot, but in this particular project if you take a lot out of here, these development costs are going to drop maybe $2,000 or $3,000 ollars ~~`' because all you are really doing is saving a couple of water services, maybe a sewer ~' , service. The street is probably identical and almost all of your costs (inaudible) sheet. ~'' Rohm: Can you talk a little bit about some of the reimbursements that are availa le? Is that like sharing in that -what was the road that you were talking about, the single ~~ ~; ~:~~~_._-: (inaudible)? ~~~, ;;;~ (Inaudible discussion) Rohm: Would that be one of the reimbursed rules that -? J. Canning: No. ~~ ` ~ Rohm: -- when the adjacent property develops? '~ ~~,~;; J. Canning: I mean, it would be nice, but there is not a mechanism to do that. I~ it is a public road, it is going to be under the requirements and basically under the jurisdiction of ACHD. ACHD has no mechanism on local road to make an extraction oln that adjoining land order. Rohm: Okay. I always wondered about that. J. Canning: Yeah, they have no mechanism to do that. The only thing that you an do ~~~ ~~ is -and it depends on the developer is putting as little as you can, which is curre i, tly 24 feet of asphalt plus curb, gutter and sidewalk, (inaudible) through on your side, yy ~. (inaudible) 24 feet of asphalt. Now, if you are talking a 32, 33 foot road section, you know you put in two thirds of the road. Plus, you probably put in all the infrastructure under as far as water and sewer goes. Now, the water and sewer, usually these is a fix, ~ '~ ~ ~4~~.I x r ~ ~,~+'? ' r _ ~• ~f i ~ r.r - a ". .vt .. ~r~ v + ! f~ a lY~ ,. ~ r. i '~ ``r ~' ~ 'y,; ,~. ..y , z <a ~C.'~ ~ ~ y ; / }', ~~ {;~~ ~. ~ ~ ~ c, ~Q'; ~~~;, .. a `~ v #. ~ A~ ` }~.. .. :.- u; [~ ~ ~. ~~; ~` i (~' f ,ri ~ S to ~ t 5kr jj_ ~,7' ~ 11y~E .. ~ I~.N A J. rt ~ ~ d{~' f'ty~ j~ F _.. tk i r n w4 ~ 'i ~ , ~ ~' f, F~ ~.~ ~%, r~ Meridian Planning & Zoning Commi~ Special Meeting ,~ ~;,- (~ ~~< ~.; ~:;:; ti , .,, ~~.:, ~:~ . ,: it II March 30, 2006 Page 6 of 60 reimbursement mechanism in place, but it starts to get a little bit iffy on whether they use it and those kinds of things. Now, those are some of the risks you take wh n you go in there. Currently, almost all collectors in the county are not on th~ track improvement plan or at least a lot of them aren't, especially when you come into the larger development. If you are putting in your own collector you probably are g ing to pay for it all. So, those can get pretty pricy to do. So, I don't know if I answere all of the questions. But, those are the three main areas we have is in sewer, water a d then the public utilities, they are the reimbursements that is allowed in there. ~ Rohm: I don't have much of a feel for what a residential lot goes for right now. Ills that even - (Inaudible discussion) Rohm: It has doubled from last year. Have they? J. Canning: Yeah. j Borup: It is more of a supply and demand. I don't think, not because of - ', J. Canning: It's not because of cost. '~ Borup: These figures are how old? ~I J. Canning: I did these about two weeks ago. 'I Borup: You updated these? ~,I J. Canning: Oh yeah. This is a considerable increase. I, Borup: I noticed the date, but when you said it was done a year or so ago, I tf'I~ought maybe - J. Canning: No, I was rather shocked when I got done with this of how much an increase in the construction cost there was over just 18 months ago. Borup: You can't get anything under $120,000 that I know about. ~', (Inaudible discussion) J. Canning: Yeah, what are our kids going to do, huh? Borup: That's where (inaudible-). Those last prices that are somewhat familiar ~rvith -- that won't come (inaudible), but that was prices a month ago. ~, Zaremba: They will change next week. Ti i t 1 T ~ ~ LE ~ . '~ a~"; I ? ` 1 r ' ~ T ] ~ , 4 3i f. y ~' h ,. .,u iz ~ .ri,_ C:± f y FF ~ .,. .. ~..,~,,~ ~.f. t n W ?~ .,w.~ 5 > ~ +1~~ ,~ t ~ ~S- i 4' ~''~ %~S S u '' ~ r. k Y ~~"' fi 5 } ~"~S ~ - a'"C 5F~ ~ S i- "~ 5 .Y :L q ~ L, 1 : ~:~~ ~ .~ 4 0~' Lid i f'. :: ~ I, i Meridian Planning & Zoning Commis~fbh Special Meeting March 30, 2006 Page 7 of 60 ~, ~~ ~ I I w: : (Inaudible discussion) ~, i ~~,:~ Borup: But, that particular subdivision prices might (inaudible--). ', J. Canning: It definitely is a high demand, low supply situation. I mean the Fast 12 ~a : months or so, we just had an unusual number of builders calling our ofFce won!,dering about projects and preliminary plat phases that they were trying to get tied into a~d that -- is kind of where - ~," . Rohm: They could tie up lots and have something to build on? ~, ~.,,, . J. Canning: Right. Yeah, it has been rather unprecedented in that way. `' Canning: So, now $3,000 isn't enough. '' Zaremba: Would it be reasonable to assume that most of these costs are upfront costs ~~~ that the developer is going to spend that before he even sells a lot? ~', ~,;~ .> J. Canning: Yeah, I think all these are. Either you are going to put it in or you ar going to bond for it. So, either way you have got the funds committed and you know a are seeing timeframes increase on these. You know we used to be able to get projects done maybe in six to nine months, if they are smaller like this five acres, now We tell everybody a year at least and part of that is just the construction times, not necessarily ~~ entitlement process just trying to get contractors lined up. It is hard to find contrao~ ors. I Canning: -- for a small property. Moe: Actually (inaudible) more right now, (inaudible) you are good. You are (inaudible) right now, where most everybody is booked up as far as subdivision work, utiliti sand whatnot -most projects that are up on right now, those are utility contractors or `~ (inaudible) contractors don't have any slots open for anything for a good year. J. Canning: Then last fall - I bet we had a couple hundred lots sitting for at leash 60 or ;x.. 90 days because they couldn't get piped and it didn't help with that early winter either. It all seemed to roll into one and many threw up their hands and went home. I ~~` ' ~ Siddoway: Cost you $30,000 a lot and sell it for $120,000 you are still making $0,000 '~"'` J. Canning: Well, it is not costing $30,000 because you can almost guarantee double '' that just in your interest charges and land - if the land rezones. ', Siddoway: Oh yeah, plus the land and you mentioned the landscaping and fencing - `~' J. Canning: Yeah, if the land is rezoned and we are seeing that (inaudible--). ~I ~. ~° I ,.> ~,.. x ~1~ r 1yT `~ . T q,it i ~ [ F rY~~ ..2 ~-7~ i ~:s ~~ f~ ~~~ f~ f it ~ ~. U. l~~ k ~:j u /~~~ S ~' k~.-...___. _. .. n~J c i - m ~{~ 7 ~ ~fJ r a ~ ..;,~. ~ r., ~ .. ~-. n. r.~:. _ ~ M .may y v •~ ~~. +. ~ i '.' L~: ',.. ~~ ~ t A y f ~ v ~1 ~ ~~~~~ . ~~ h 5~.,-'. i 5 I t~ i ~F ~~{G~' Meridian Planning & Zoning Commisl8n Special Meeting II *' March 30, 2006 ', ~ ~'' Page 8 of 60 (Speaker unknown): So, Joe do you have an estimate on what developers are making r ;>`,' as far as net profit (inaudible)? J. Canning: You mean before they pay the engineer or after? (Speaker unknown): Well, land costs are well over a hundred now aren't they? !, r' -°`' J. Canning: They are running around a hundred we are seeing. Starting to ge~ three per unit, $33,000 right there. That is no interest. '~ fL (Inaudible discussion) ~~ ": y ~~ Borup: So, $33,000 on the land, roughly $30,000 on the development that is $3,000 and that doesn't have financing or landscaping (inaudible--). r~` - ', ~- (Inaudible discussion) '~, '~ J. Canning: You know just some observations that we have seen in our office ha~ been ~~' ~ that a lot of our particularly smaller local developers are -well, number one it is either "~ "" impossible to find land and that is the biggest problem they are facing, but they s em to ~ ~"~' be pulling back. They are withdrawing a little bit from the market perhaps and a are - . seeing quite an influx of out of state people, of course, that are coming in and ,that is ,.,...: ~~~-' `~~ driving these costs up and at least as far as the smaller guy that sometimes w~ work with, I think are a little bit nervous about those costs and I guess part of why thley are N,~ ;,, withdrawing. They are going to wait and see what happens to all of this. '~ ~~ ''- ~.~ :. Borup: I heard there have been some that have picked up their options just rejcently. -_~:a' ~- Are you hearing that too? w? ; ~.~ ~ ;: J. Canning: I have been hearing that, too. i (Inaudible discussion) Siddoway: The land prices must be over-inflated. ~;. '~~~ J. Canning: I am not sure they are over-inflated, I just think it's a whole differen~~ mind ;' set. I mean, it is like Keith said a year ago and things have almost doubled. I thithk that ~_~~ : takes a while for the people that have been here for quite a few years for that to s~t in. I think that is a lot of it. You just have to get used to that. When I bought my first house, ~ think I paid $27,000 for it. A nice little house on the north end, shoot, probably ~- _' $400,000 for that thing. k- ~' ~' Siddoway: I remember when I started here seven years ago that there was ots of ~` fervor and discussion going on about the cost of raw land had just doubled to $ 0,000 ~~ an acre, no one could believe that it was that much and now we are three times th ~t. ~~ +~, ,~ , ~- ~ ,i ~`:! s ,.:. „~ ,~~,;, °~ r r ;: ~L 1 r ,;I `,. ,;i f,~: . ~,,.. ::r ~a v '' ,~ ~`'~ ~~ :y 1.,. ~ z ~~~_; Meridian Planning & Zoning Commis3T8"n Special Meeting March 30, 2006 Page 9 of 60 Zaremba: What you really worry about is when they stop talking about acres arrd start selling it by the square foot. It happens. J. Canning: I don't know how much profit there is. It depends, you know, on how, long it takes. Your interest rates can really chew you up. Borup: I am sure they are making at least double (inaudible--). These ~ artner subdivisions, where they bought the land four phases back and when they are jumping $20,000 or $30,000 per phase - it J. Canning: That is very good. (Speaker unknown): So you say it is 33 percent gross margin just on the numb~rs you are allowing earlier at one point? Borup: I could see that on - it may not have done that well on the first phase, bud there is a lot of developers where they are making money now. I mean 20 years ago, II used to hear they would say well a three phase subdivision, they would at leapt one developer he would carry out his prices, what he made average and the first (phase would be under priced, the second phase would be where it needs to be and th~ third phase would make up for the first phase and hopefully try to come out verall. Anymore, it takes them (inaudible--). J. Canning: Very true. II Borup: With a 15 to 30 day closing, so they are not sitting on their money one it is completed. J. Canning: No, they are not. Zaremba: Let me ask another scenario to (inaudible) through and I have forgot name of it, but we had a week or two ago (inaudible) and I don't know if you ren the details. Something like -the project that came to us was 40 acres, but corner there is like an acre and one half or two acres missing, where there is a on it with people living there and the developer, apparently, doesn't want to k house. They bought raw land, all the rest of it and I can see the developer's buying raw land is a lot cheaper than buying something with a building on it tl' have to tear it down because it not only costs you more to buy the building, but th are going to waste all that and spend money to tear it down besides. In somethin don't remember if this was the exact ratio - if the whole project is 40 acres and i be 42 acres, wouldn't the cost of tearing that house down be miniscule spread o the whole 40 acres? J. Canning: Not if the owner of that 2 acre piece is reasonable, yeah. ~n the amber i one souse y the pint - ~t you n you and I could t over i I ~~ ; ~ ~ i y tit ' ~ of y s ,~ .. ~". i ~~ ~~ ~ H+~.~ s L .-1~ t x ?Y ~ ? F „t,~c k '?3' h ( w ~~F ~`c~e ~L~' r ~.r a ,e`.:, r _ a ~ ,~ i r, ; [ ! ~`~ "• •~. t1 t-t: .rf~~~3 $~~ ~ t .. -a.r~~`. ~. 1 f i'~f.To-^, "~"4~.a5.An~~y'xig~•Y`~'1~• ~I ~~ f 1 :'I~'~~ f~.~ k;.f\ ~f. ~ 7~~~~ S k_.- - u -~~ n :~_'` Meridian Planning & Zoning Commis~T6n Special Meeting ', March 30, 2006 ~ :r . Page 10 of 60 I, Zaremba: The didn~t want would want to sell it for th e with a house on it but the ri _ ` y , y e p c ~ ~ to sell it for the price of bare land. I think that is where they are having the snuggle. <:,3 t,. is The developer would buy it if it was bare land, but they don't want to give it up fclr bare i~.E:'Q;' land because they have a house they are living in and would have to move somewhere u =, else. Do you think that would be enough to kill a 40-acre project? I J. Canning: I don't know. It is hard to tell. It may not be just the cost. It could b~ other ' issues. So, it is hard to tell. I am surprised it wasn't with the 40 acres in the first place. -;s: s::~; Y _ Zaremba: Hmmn? I J. Canning: I am surprised it wasn t with the 40 acres in the first place. Canning: We tried. (Inaudible discussion) ,{ `. r „~ J. Canning: So, he is sitting on a legal piece of property in his own house and ,y~s,k4, r (inaudible--) value right there. -: (Inaudible discussion) i . ~: _ Zaremba: So, it is not just the raw land approval (inaudible) difference that th~y are ~,, ~~ ~ asking for? I, ~ > V Canning: Well, it also might depend on how easy it would be to incorporate that a~d get ~~-~i~;~ a lot more lots out of it. I mean, (inaudible--). `- 4 .; Zaremba: Okay. That helps me. ~~~ ~. . Rohm: Thank you, Joe. !, ~= J. Canning: Thank you very much. ~, '`~`~'I" Item 4: Presentation on Access Management by Patricia Nilsson an~l Sue Sullivan: '~I ~,~ _ Item 5: Presentation on US 20-26 (Chinden) Corridor Study Patricia Ni!Ilsson and Sue Sullivan: I Nilsson: Yeah, I will just go through both presentations and if you could just in errupt r ~~ me if you have any questions at any time. I haven't done a double header before these two, so there is a little bit overlap when you have them back to back. But, it might be worth the while to just go through them. 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We has ~~~`,,,°' ~ several decades experience with Colorado DOT and co-author of the book on access '' ~ . management that was put out by the Transportation Research Board (inaudible--~J. Phil ~ = is really an expert of access management and really has assembled a lot of goo data. The Transportation Research Board is part of the National Cabin of Sciences, ~o they o are very (inaudible) on research throughout the United States and this is a topic where ~~~~, after many years a lot of the research results are coming in. So, that is kind of what I -_ want to share with you. I will try to keep it at maybe 10 minutes. I think (ina Bible) ~'~~,-; ~ talked at our regional technical committee for maybe 30 minutes. So, actually si ce the ' ~ { Oscars I was going to call this crash, but I don't think there is an Oscar for Pow rPoint (inaudible--). I want to talk about the safety aspect of access management. You know, ~s - you are at Planning and Zoning and the developers who (inaudible) get their per it from ~:, . ~~ ~~ ITD, we always talk about the process. We want to talk about why it is important. ~~~ Access is - we are finding this on 20-26, you see that PowerPoint and you sees me of ~` -~ that data that the consultant put together -over half of all traffic crashes re at _ intersections and driveways, so it is access related. There are factors that go in o that, ~ ~<~` but that is why designing a number of access (inaudible) -primary importance is ~afety. -= - The public sector that is kind of -the three things that you worry about - (inaudible) safety and welfare -big safety issue in terms of managing access. In fact y u see ,~X: higher rates in the urbanized area. (Inaudible) national statistics it's a quarter of all the ?~, reported crashes at intersections (inaudible--) half of all traffic injuries for Gras es at ~~. M~, ~~ f4t intersections. This is Phil - I am calmer than Phil is. He really gets excited alking , about that. I get a little bit excited. This is what he actually gave to the ~ACHD i ` ` Commission (inaudible--) the most dangerous public facilities on the face of the arth, 4;y.,`~"'~ F:. , mean and they are. Every week people are killed in the United States, (inaud ble--). ~' -:: ~ Now when you look at the fatality rates and statistics that is the leading cause of death of a child between the ages of one and 14. Some worry a lot about drugs and we worry „ ;.;; a lot about access and you know trying to keep people safe. Six out of every t n kids ~;~ ,,N., will be injured in a highway crash over their lifetime, some of them more than once. ~~:t.;=Ewe. Very sad and one of 84 today will die in a crash according to these statistics. phis is ::, actually something (inaudible) looking at for 20-26 and 44. As a number of access ~,` points per miles increase, you see a four percent increase in your accident rate - such ~- as a composite index from data around the United States. So, that is why when a talk about spacing of access there is an issue in terms of traffic progression, butt ,ere is ~~~: ? also existing safety issue that you are trying to deal with as well. This is a gre t little '~,' graphic, I mean it is just there to just show what a typical intersection, five lanes ction, which is typical of several roads here and all the possible points of conflict. Th re are ~*'<~ many and so at designing intersections at an access and with goals to minimise the ., number of red dots there. You know you guys just talked about having to be in '~ new `: ,;. ,; mind set in this area, well, this is an area when you are working on the major a erial, t~~ you are going to see things that you haven't seen before. When we talk about (inaudible) and 20-26 being an expressway - I know Steve has had a (inaudible--) -just ~ hard getting your head around that, but thinking long term of what our roadway s, ystem ~~' is r,G. needs to be, it is - (inaudible) working on the five lane road. It is just not in the icture ' when we are talking about 20-26. Center turn lane there were 24,000 cars a da . Is it F f ~{~ V ., safe? (Inaudible--). It is bound to come up in a statement with (inaudible) (traffic -- - - >~~ ~, ~ t p~ _ ~, r, ~ r r„'. r ;; yy}R} y. J ~ ~1 '~~~ fir,; t ~.Y { s s, r e r ~s~ ,p; 1'~ .hr:a~ :, ~,.;; , ;r 'a ,F:: I! ~ Meridian Planning & Zoning Commis3T5n Special Meeting i March 30, 2006 ', Page 12 of 60 ~: ;k volume. The negative impacts of not managing access - it is just another thinlg, you ~~a.~~ know access management? If you don't do it or choose not to do it, you are going to lose the roadway capacity much faster, we will have more frequent improvement, more ,~ ~; ~? ~ fixes that have to be made constantly to the corridor - as your arterials congest yr'ou will ~~..,, increase cutting through traffic in neighborhoods and nobody likes that, so y~u are = actually broadening the impact of negative aspects of no access manageme t to a ^ n broader area than just the particular roadway. You will have to 200 to 400 percent more ~~~'~ `• traffic accidents on other inaudible-- . This is more ettin into the desi nin for afe ( ) 9 9 9 9 tY ~. Basically, like I said it is eliminating those red dots, limiting points of conflict b tween ~~~" drivers and pedestrians. We could reduce that with a good access management and you are going to make it a safe road. So, that is why Sue and I when we me t with ~ developers or pre-ops and that is why we are working with COMPASS to get a , (inaudible) agreement with ITD and other agencies and that we all need to be doing this better because it fundamentally is about safety and it is also about (inaudible) capacity. `- The (inaudible--) about speed differential -the engineers will say that speed doe n't kill, ~ speed differential kills and we often have notice intuitively when we drive -the speed _{ :' `'"~ differential is the speed of the through traffic (inaudible) the speed of the turning vehicle. _. - ~~ ~ ~: You know it is, I guess my personal experience (inaudible) my absolute terror of nvmg • ' on the capital beltway around Washington, D.C. and I was probably going 60 and it was r."` probably 55 miles and coming upon a little old lady driving 35 and this is an anglinig road and one direction and that is scary. What they find in terms of statistics is they ave - J you are traveling 35 miles per hour and so the other traffic -you are 90 time more . ,, ~' Ilkely to be In an accident. So, when we think about this and we look at a road I ke 20- 26 (inaudible--). If you look at the short - as the lines increase and you see the length ~~.«~~,, of the left turn lanes in either direction -totally inaccurate for the volume, so as y' u are u t into humming along at 55 mph, you got someone with their rear end literally stuck o r.~~1 ; ~t the thru lane, you stopped and that is not a safe situation. So, part of the study Wve are looking at how much storage volume do we need at this intersection? It is a lob. You are also looking at grade separations maybe in the future for some of I, these ~~ intersections. Yes, Sue? ~, b Sullivan: I just wanted to add a comment that I didn't (inaudible) ask or add wh~n Phil ~~~;<<r~ gave it back, but these short turn lanes that we have out there aren't by design, t ey are :~ ;';;t mostly because they (inaudible--) projects where we just - we don't have an more ' _` right-of-way, we are just trying to fit in what we can (inaudible--). k ~4 ''- Nilsson: As I told (inaudible) ITD is rolling in dough, just choosing not to sp nd it. t Again, these are probably individual fixes we talked about and not managing accesses. t, ~_ You are trying to keep people moving through the arterials, but we really don't °~ (inaudible) big work done (inaudible). This is just some synthesis of findings Find of $~ I'~ before and after various roadways around the United States for people who have ~ooked at the before and after situations. The (inaudible) crashes are reduced by 30 to 60 ~' percent. Capacity increases 20 to 40 percent and we get a lot of noise about w~ need to widen roads, widen roads, and widen roads. We need to widen 20-26 torr~'orrow. Well, I can get you the capacity if you can get me a truck load of jersey Carrie s with !. close off access and you will get a ton more capacity on that road. But, that is no~ really ~: ~;: " ~ a.. t.;:~' ::1:~'' •.~:Si,: r,~ ; .:n ~~ ~ 1~ ,a ;i.' ~:; -:4:.~;wi+y,„ •mrr "'~+t~*'w,'~ "•`; ~x. ~ ~*„~"Y a -'a~° ~ ibr. '~ 'E{ ~ XY= F'9 ~ y~' IA ip. l ,~¢5 H:~-,K.y~'E })x'~'~f iS d c,~• •:'^~~ ' ' ' '' f~ . ,y i ~;i~: , i' I ,> t I l ~~~.~ ~•t., _k• ..1 ll~~., `^t ~,~ ~2 .hl~••'S~t.~..L44<. S • a ~fyi , i~,, v ~::. '!. '6 i{~.-N «{ ~i~e,7 a r . - ., .i ",v r S: :c"~ ~ t ~ 1 ~u• ' °i " . ~ .;x:}. '~~ N R r .I , °I ~,.~ W , f # ~` , . r @ (;N ~ .~ .Fry~@. . ;' ;" r+e' ,~ .. .• -- .. , i < . • e• . - •. 3• ti.^ ~ .. +iG~ F. Y{ .`. .fL~ ,<x.,.., 7 E i , , .,.c 's ~Y '.' ~~! ~Y I ~ ;. v. Vi ~i l : .L~~e . 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' ' l" l . i , ~ ; ... . r r .. .1 74 .Si,~ ' ~F~,.i '•. ~:~ t:,,, :i ~ .: ~ ~:~.•,..~ : s , ~ ti ~ ~ e F = ~ .. k.. . ~am ~ ~;y~ . ~ s ~ ~~.i•~Fi #~ (p 'I9 .1 a c.d }' n' ?' } • M1 `f . , ' ',~- •i ~ a ~ ,e 4; ~ ~~ ~~~ ' y i ;E . ~ : 5 ;Y ~31: t • .?T.~'• _ F ~ ~ ~~ ,,~~~.- f P. i a $ ~ ' r ~i. ~`` s~'' w ~ #' > _ I `Ir. + ~ { ~~ ' .y X43'! ~ ~ 'i'~ .: . .. : : ; .. , s ~ xcv ... ~~ I ~ SF i a. v 8 . .. .~. ~.. t i'" ~~ `~F Meridian Plannin & Zonin Commis316fi S i l M ti ',' :; , , g g pec a ee ng March 30, 2006 ~ Page 13 of 60 -people aren't going to swallow that. The point we are trying to make is that c can be increased in managed access and in this day and age when we are _~~ about $100,000 an acre to widen a road and that is what the taxpayers are g '~'' ~' have to pay and that we just have to be more efficient with our public investmei rya,4s we have today. I don't know how better to say that. This is a study that was ki before and after. This is in the old Georgia (inaudible). This had been a a~ , , M (inaudible) and they went in afterwards and they put in the medians that you seE -: ~ °~ Typically Phil talks about - he deals with a lot of Public Works Directors aro~ ;~_ country and they get very nervous when they start trying to search (inaudible) rc ~; 1 bout and they are really, really -when the data comes in after that. So, this in tE ~ ~ safety and what they found after the project was constructed - a huge safety incr~ ' ~ won t go through each number, but a lot of the things (inaudible--) has calculi ~~ probably saving 15 lives. How much do you (inaudible--) as a P&Z Commissionf "~~ ".; .~:._ a little tanner and ou sa p y y, you know we could have saved 15 lives. ,~~t k tremendously satisfying for folks in the (inaudible) center and bureaucrats like n ,_ s (Inaudible--). This is we will say emerging items and this is what we are lookinc Fr "~~ corridors in Ada County onto 20-26 and 44. No driveways unless it is a necessifi ~~ mile urban (inaudible) signal spacing and that is really a minimum. On 44 and 20 are going to try and at least maintain the speed locals and not increase them. It i. 4 to be tough (inaudible--) even have the half mile progression but that is somethi fir."y'~: , we are going to have to be really focused on is the signal time and the real operas <-" the corridor and that is from the access and the driveway controls to really makE ~`~$ ~ , ~ mile work. (Inaudible) to medians and those are all arterials and did get some i~° ` volume issue after a certain volume, but that length just isn't safe anymore. The k" '` the suicide lane and there is a reason for that. Then this is really kind of technic ~ complete network hierarchy -this is really what you are all more famili~ ~ - '~> (inaudible). We talked -you know Steve and Matt (inaudible) functional classi~ *Y,~,~ maps in the area and has spent several days of their life on that particular toK basically it is having a complete street network and having the streets be design functioned for their purpose -you know, residential streets, collectors (inaudible) y'~`;" ~: t have more of a minor arterial in our arterial classes of roads that (inaudible--). the North Meridian Plan is good where the city really looked at filling x ~~ transportation grid, then normally you will find some city comprehensive plans a~ i h t ll s w we rea a y need to -you provide a transportation system that is suited lane you said it is going through, it is really what that means. I just sort of wal ~N.;~;.r touch on this a bit, you know, but (inaudible) do establish crash rates. I mean i seem somewhat abstract when you are approving a rezone or a subdivision, but r~~,; what really determines how the road is going to function. Where the access poir r £'`'" ~ the frequency, the types of access if they are a driveway or a commercial or resi or public street and that really establishes how many points per mile and in esta~ ~~ the crash rates for those corridors. I think we have gotten a lot better at least in t ~ '' ears that I have had the career of trans ortation and the awareness of that -- tl Y p ~~ probably more -kind of the transportation planners, maybe a little bit ACHD whe Y?"~ and I did a tech review on subdivisions and really try to constructively get our .I~``, away from more access points, seeing more ordinances around the area - M ~~'~` '' :' ,~ ado ted that chan a recent) to limited access on State Hi hwa s as Kuna has P 9 Y 9 Y y. , 4 -' :a~Kmg ling to is that ~dofa typical there. ~d the and-a- rms of ase. I ted to or as hat is y self. at the - half 26 we going ~g that ins of a half ~f that call it al, but with cation c, but d and gut we think n the d that or the ted to might that is s are, lential fishing le two rough e Sue ;radian done, +':~ ~'f n~.?X., o,, ". ,, ~~ ~, Y ~t " ` .i ~h': _ ~S „n e3 i, r t 5>. ~. :,E ~ ~~ {J * jai.; ~:.i.1 .?~ ~. a :+z-1~$~s~s ~ tra} i : t u!¢ ~ '°` ~ 5 ~ f i ~, ~' `-` f ~i n ~.k t -"• t' t J' f- ,4 ,.'Syr <4 "~ tom. -e , a K'~ .y, y~-,~y~... ''~ ~ f S se >: ~~ ~ e i ~ ~ ~~ ~ . {~,~ Y 4"•Y Wi` s ~ w } ~~ '~c i ~g. r . _ x ~ ~.`'_ ~~`: ,~; }>. ~. -~a' . -~~ :.A '. ~' i ii ~~" ~: ~; ~, ~_ ~r r ~~.:,,~~ .. :; ;, ;~.i'.i. ;,:~.~ .} _~:,: ~: 3; ~'- ,; ;. Meridian Planning & Zoning Commi~n Special Meeting March 30, 2006 Page 14 of 60 Caldwell has done and you have seen that. This is almost a worst case scenarid, there isn't an interchange and that is why the Ten Mile Interchange study will be a gre~+t thing for Meridian to get done. (Inaudible--) and how that and the customers ofd, those businesses trying to get in and out if that was a really busy (inaudible). This is alnother - pulled the access points back from the on and off ramps and provided more of ~la local circulation system parallel, so this is (inaudible) visibility when you don't have, direct access close to the interchange. You know that stuff is so easy to do. It really is-- with a little more thought, it is really easy to accomplish and the benefits Tong term, wjhich is the (inaudible). '~ (Speaker unknown): Notice that the road infrastructure is preceding the development. I guess that is just what strikes me - we don't have that here. Nilsson: That was 20-26 out in the Caldwell area and I guess you could look a~ the - those are the things you look at when you have the frontage along the highway aid one thing we encouraged the (inaudible--) is to really make that deep enough to get irk some back-age roads, which Meridian has done through the North Meridian Plan. that is pretty shallow. You just (inaudible) gosh, what is that going to be used for? o you think they will want access to the highway? You don't have any (inaudible there (inaudible) obvious, so those are the -that is how we spend our time day in and ~ay out trying to get some quick fixes as (inaudible). So, that is pretty much it. Why tlon't jump to the 20-26 - do you have any questions on that? A lot going on and we wi I have our - I will talk a little bit about our public meetings on 20-26. We will have a stati n just on access management. There will be some (inaudible) education about th topic (inaudible--). (Speaker unknown): You had mentioned on some of these extra (inaudible) for tf~e turn lanes and not being able to get to the driveway -how -what has transpired vu~orking with developers on paying some of that right-of-way? And when it is over - I kn,pw - guess you need to pay for it, basically, but that seems like the time to mayb~ work something out. Say, yeah, you need to be reimbursed, but we don't have them ney to reimburse you, so because of that we can't approve the projects, here a~e the (inaudible) and is going to have to wait until we have the money. We will let them work out the solution. Nilsson: Well, be careful not to be specific. I think some of the conversations that we have had are still in the (inaudible) for the (inaudible), but we have had the - w have had some folks twice now in tech review and I walk in and they see me now an they are like oh, do you want to stay for ours and (inaudible--)? Twice that has hap ened. We have 200 feet and we are not taking any access to the State Highway. I a like, that is all I wanted to hear. That is great. I guess now two cases now where peo le just don't want to do that (inaudible--). (Inaudible--) quickly in the study that Sue a d the consultants developed a typical cross section. We really had to understand - we ~iad to put the numbers to paper -how wide the road we really need to have it to meet the ITD standards, which are really based in safety? So you have -Sue can probably T I will (inaudible) but you can correct me if I screw up at all. Basically, you are going to Have a 4 .`Y: "nM .~~%.~ .:"~, ..~~, 3 z ~~. •e~ ~ ~ s4 ~ ~ K. ~`- y~~`~ . ~?r~ -~~~yY .~y,~- " . r'u r~`~r ` ~" `''~;{~ ` ~' ' , .--~~•' 8 rTf t L.~ a ~ n'':3;;•.~t . u"~,#}. ~~{• Tke , $ ,T' ~ i, S `~ ~ `n. S.R w Y: ry,a r i ~' . 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' • ~ Y l~ -ty. ~ ~ ~ w r.r Yy4 ~` ~:~ ,~zs-,,~ ~~ ~ ~._ ~vtik:.~'h~€ efrt h h .+~y 2`fi.1 ~~ . ~.. . ~.L ` ~ . ~L '~ ~~ lti - ~ ~ ~~~', 4 M V (a~i 4r 3 F 1 ~ * {. , ',W i" "' i r R TT t t i ~ f ~~I "~~ ~r' y 3 ~ i y~ 3' ~ - ~+NS'.7.~ t. r Meridian Planning & Zoning Commis?;16'n Special Meeting ~_'~ ~ ~' March 30, 2006 Page 15 of 60 ~~~ ` median and at intersections you are going to have turn lanes and you are going to ~.. - ~v ,_ account for that space. You are going to account for traveling, two in each directi~n. ref., _,fi ~'~'~'""~ (Tape turned over -side two) ~ ~ "' Nilsson: -- you are going to have utilities and (inaudible) and I guess on the edlIge. Is that --? So, I don't know how many iterations, but Sue and (inaudible) and Wasflington Group for Highway 44 did, but it all came out about 200 feet total. So, that is w at we `` are asking for. The study will nail down exactly what that road is going to look lik We ~~~ , will get aright-of-way plan will do - it is actually project development to widen rads - `"` ' '' does not show exactly what that picture is going to be along each segment of th road, ~,-:.: < - ~ " but just (inaudible--) is what we need, so we try to get it or we try to at least say lease -~ ''~ don't put any structures within 100 feet of the center line. The landscape is an issue, ~'' but the are not oin to ive us the 100 feet from center line inaudible-- that i~ Y 9 9 9 (~ ) going to take out some of the landscaping along the (inaudible). '~ s~ Canning: Are they giving you flax still? I mean, our code now says right-of--way shall be ,`:';,x as determined by ITD. ', ~, . +, ~ Sullivan: (Inaudible) got some push back on it. ~ ;= ~' `!~ ~ , Canning: I think we have been requiring them - we can't make them dedicated, ~ut we , are making them provide the -start the landscape buffer - we put it in a separate lot for '__ "~~,- you to purchase and then their landscape buffer is beyond that. ~, ; - ~~ Sullivan: One of the concerns, in fact I think I just wrote this in the letter (inaudible), but "~ one of the concerns that they have is that they think it should be an urban secti nand _ that it should have storm sewer, curb and gutter to help pull in the right-of wa with. '~'~-~ Quite a while back when I started to look at what do we need and I did. I went t ,rough - iterations trying to pull it in, but for one I don't know - I have done storm sewer Design and it can be very challenging to try and find, especially now where you are g ~ ing to drain that water to and the cost of the storm sewer was very comparable to the ~ ost of ~' the land and then there is an additional cost for future maintenance, you know, or the service life of that system. So, in my mind something to balance, the only reas n that ~~.~~. you would put that storm sewer in is for the benefit of the development, which ce ainly I suppose there is a case for that, but not on an individual basis that maybe for 'ia city. ~~``' Another thing I wanted to keep in mind is (inaudible) is that it also allows and th~s isn't really the main idea behind it, but it does have a certain level of comfort for flexibility for the future because if we tighten in that - I mean we are not going to be in there gain, so let's get what we need and make sure that if you need six lanes someday, v~ye can ~" , squeeze in six lanes. (Speaker unknown): For your presentation on the 18th for the Council, I would ~ make sure that (inaudible--). ~~ ~~.- •7:•,, s_ f. F h S~,t. ~ ~ ~ ~, f a ~.a rte: ter; :~ ~ ~. ~:, ~~~ 1 C; r i F w. r ~ '+' i ~~ ~ ~ f - ~~".. 1 ~ ~ >S ' x>y y~ ' a ~ r 7 ~ %ws t 1 Y~,t .. ... - 44 ice.. 'Z L.~f ~ ~ ~I! T . 1- ~~ ,t } ~ ~ i S:v ~ s~ W' ~''' i 3 d'_'- ~ ~ i ~` ~ ~+^ _ 7' i f 7+ sfT i ~a ; ~ ~` ~ ~ r~r~+„~~~+ t ,; ~ ,. ;,b ~~ r: `~ ~"k ~ ~ i v: ~ r.. P~,. K R .. ~ ~ .i .Iry,y #~~ ~'"~" f~~'~~ .. 'f,y b .~.: r_ ('' c: rE ,. .. g, „'. ~~`• `i ~r;'N ~y tS '~~ ~< fi 4°-, ._ F: L ;. '`- d `: ~~ z ~; 5y ,: ~`°~`` ~; °'~~: Meridian Planning & Zoning Commis3lb~i Special Meeting ~" March 30, 2006 Page 16 of 60 ~, Canning: And maybe show a cross section, the one with the rural cross secti ~'~ n and then show -- okay if we kept this rural section, but then somehow we needed tog back through and do a third lane, this section fits in there. Siddoway: Twenty, thirty years from now it wouldn't surprise me one bit to say w need a third lane in each direction on 20-26. (Inaudible discussion) Sullivan: That is Eagle Road at Pine, yeah. Nilsson: I just want to - I have to do this just for my own education because w en we don't manage access well, combine that with high volumes that are forecasted, gosh, does that sound familiar? Eagle Road? So, what is going to happen in their fut re the decision has been made, the signs aren't up yet. The speed is going down on th~ road to 45 mph and the full traffic model that COMPASS maintains is based on sped and how many trips are going into the system and then do a metrics, how many lanes? Is it to capacity? (Inaudible--) models is just a bunch of calculations and it is trying o find the fastest path for people to point "a" to point "b". So, the (inaudible) of speed has a huge effect on the capacity on the roadway and so I said (inaudible) this scenario. Let's take Eagle Road down to 45, then let's screw up Highway 44 and drop it to 35, which most people I talked to seems like a reasonable thing, you know? Highway 44 is ind of complex. There is a lot of development that goes through those towns, so you k~ow a lot of volume on 44, seeing a lot of growth coming down on 16 and all of that. So, okay, let's do that to Highway 44. Let's really screw up and drop US 20-26 to 35 mil s per hour. We did our iterations and oh, we screwed up 44 and basically said eve body was trapped (inaudible--). (Inaudible--) pretty much all the capacity is gone. Wh n you (inaudible) 20-26 you do a model run. It is like an 11 x 17 maps (inaudible--) a~d we are staring at it and actually I had him do a big one, so it took me all the way put to Caldwell and the Interstate and down Victory Road and (inaudible--) were with m,'~e and we all sat around and looked at it. It doesn't seem right (inaudible--). You ca 't just look at 20-26, realize that doesn't make sense to me and trying to understand what the model is doing because you know, I was actually (inaudible) at a regional scale li a that and then it dawned on me they had to (inaudible--) before. The system was s over capacity, the model was refusing to assign cars to the network. This actually as a pretty generous capacity. It probably goes, I think, at least 30 percent over, maybe 50 percent over capacity. But above a certain rate, it is so congested that people won't drive; they can't get out on the (inaudible). That is what the model was doing. It ~-rasn't assigning trips. So, it is that whole area I-84 North to Eagle Road that we looked ~t was totally over capacity, so 6,000 cars load up next to (inaudible) in Caldwell. W~ saw thousands of diversions south of Interstate. So, that is pretty much all I nee~ed to realize we just have got to go gang busters on 20-26 and not that fail because it ~s just like Southern California, like any other place when you are just stuck. These rent peak hours, these were 24 hour volumes and that is really bad. That is really ba We talk about all this growth that comes into town, people are out there and they are riving and all of our household estimates and everything goes into model and really pretty I ~. ~~ >, ~~ h 2 '' ~'. ~ -±.. '~~'.`, tir,5 :S :7~- x }4~i.: ;j x !fir ~ 't"' ~S~p~!Ci I, ~ ' d II i f~~ vr~'~:, ~ f. j , pr '. r . ° r~~,. ti s ~ sja,~tt.~," ~ y` ~.:~ r 4~L'n7 c ~k *, t ~` '~lj wn i { y:' E 1~ : a ~ a~ .. :_ h-~. M ., ~ 4.i ~~~ ,~ ~i 4~1~4 r;;i 1 r~ _. r Y.6. ~ Srt~~y ~~IM:. ~ H. {~ ~ rL+ 1 ~~. ~~ y4~k;_A 1 ~~~3, ~~,~ ;~ } " '~ '~ r 4 3 ! '~x Y' •( 4 ~~~ ~ ~ S-J .~ ~ u R . ~. pgyW ly ~ ~ ~ r i ' . ~ r~ • ,-.~. y , .< ; _ Meridian Planning & Zoning Commis3R5n Special Meeting March 30, 2006 ~; ;~' Page 17 of 60 ~: ~' ~ much represents our behavior and the types of housing we have. That is by the demographic committee is really important. So, if you think our numbers are I ~ w it is ~ g' oin to be worse. It is not re So, that is wh these re tonal rmci le arteri ~- 9 9 P ttY• Y 9• p• P Is are ~~ ~Q just so critical for the entire region that we keep moving traffic. That is why w ~ ~ ~ don't ' ~~ ~'~ '~ want the speeds to degrade and they probably will have to on 20-26. I don't kn w, just ,~ the volume and what we can afford to do, but if we can at least keep it to 45 m h, we ~^F will have our neck above water, but it could really fail - I am just glad I live in so theast ~ ~' Boise. It is bad for Meridian and it is bad for a lot of people at this corridor ~~ , scale. ~? ~'~ Actually we talked at the North Meridian workshops -when was that? ~ , ^'~. ~' ~~:. ', Siddoway: That was back in -- September? °' a Nilsson: Yeah, I think it was last fall and Sue and I - it was one of those weird m ~ etings where it was like a public meeting, but it was really (inaudible) developing the p operty ~` for there. You know, you guys were there. Some of you here were there, I know. ~~,1;~: ~~ David you were there. So, I had some really good conversations with (inaudibl y and ~`' they understand how important it is to not (inaudible) because it hurts them an when ~~~~~ (inaudible) out of state developers, they get it. (Inaudible--) and you know J e was talking about the impact fee. Well, we have colleagues at ACHD who call it (inau I ible--) #' well, we have this impact fee here -where these people are coming from is they pay a r lot more into it actually. They are quite happy with pay - (inaudible) is cheap the ., re. As . you all know the whole premise for Blueprint is trying to get some concurrency ar ~d that ': our road dollars are just not adequate for the task and we will see. I will just tell yo u that . ~ this capacity speed issue on 20-26 is big. If we have to assume a four Ian ,then :~„~,: (inaudible), might need a six lane - we have probably what we need, but we h~ ve no >- money. ITD has no money to build a six lane. I am just the princess of darknes s and ~' gloom tonight, but that is the reality that Sue has to work in. Let me go back to s me of - the processes. I wanted to show you the map of the corridor. This I actually c ; ;.: t and ~ , ~f ; ~, pasted out of the Communities in Motion. I had to really encourage your particip tion in ~; that process. This is the draft plan. (Inaudible--) street and now (inaudible) involv ement ~.. ~. and I know Steve is just going to have Meridian - we ought to have a contest f or the :~' most (inaudible--) by jurisdiction. ~ ~ g~ ~~~ 1 Siddoway: I did ask Carrie to send a (inaudible) bag for this too and the Plannin g and °_~,. Zoning Commission. So, if you are interested in having your own internal disc ssion ~'`' about the regional long-range transportation plan, there is an opportunity corr# ing in early May (inaudible) right? ! I ': Nilsson: Yep. This is 20-26. This is the Communities in Motion 2030 plan, th~ ; draft ~z , - plan. You see Highway 44 up here and the Interstate is over here. You see thi ~T s blue ~ `4~ line here, which is 20-26 and you see this blue line which is Highway (inaudible). I It is a ~-` ~ new category that we are planning for and it is called an expressway. That is som ~" thing ~ -you know talking about changing your mindset, this is probably pretty new in Id ho. 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I „ ^ q,tx ~ z •°„clh.~f6:4 .;sli:.•~~;Y: 'KS j~j 4 ^~bl ,'" l~r r ~ ~ ~ ' f )•: f I.'. i i~ } ~ ~ ~ .. l~ r r%:` ,' " ., .. ., e S . ~ x "iG `..5'~ hliy~ A1 %~'S~ ' ~ f ,'rrwt ~~ , ~ ~S Meridian Planning & Zoning Commis316n Special Meeting ~, : ~ March 30, 2006 I }~ ,.; "' ~} Page 18 of 60 s:; at interchanges, possibly at the mile. I mean, definitely we talked about Highway 16 and I think you see some of that replicated in the North Meridian Plan along 2~-26 at `~ least here and I think you see interchanges on 16. We also look to evaluate a need for interchanges along 20-26. :.:~ Zaremba: Can I ask a question? Did you say that this is a future map? ', ` `' Nilsson: Yeah, this is what is being proposed in the Communities in Motion plan. i • ,;% Zaremba: For how many years from now? ll ~' i'6 ~5 Nilsson: 2030. I -~ ~. ~ ~. ~ Zaremba: So it is already kind of what is already happening? We are becoming that iY`5 ;; ~ map already in the North Meridian area? I Nilsson: Well, I am not sure about the interchanges, but it definitely in the fui~ure of y; volume in this level of service after we widen 20-26. II ~' ~ : '~~ - Zaremba: I am looking at the land use. We already (inaudible--). ~~.;~, ~`k `: ~, I (Inaudible discussion) i ~~~:, Nilsson: This is just city limits. 'I Zaremba: Well, our city limits are over (inaudible). I ~~y ~~ ~; Siddoway: They do have - I 'k (Inaudible discussion) ~~ I',' Zaremba: Well, what I am saying is we are talking about whether this is goring to °` happen in months when theirs is 30 years away. ~~ '~ ~ (Inaudible discussion) ~ 3•:' I Canning: I think those are city limits. There are a lot more subdivisions out them' but Y .," , think those are pretty close to our city limits right now. Zaremba: Yeah, but not 30 years from now. ~, I ~h '~" ~ ' Siddowa Inaudible-- future ci limits. y~ ( ) tY . g~_~s>~~ ~ Nilsson: Yeah, future city limits, but the plan to show our urban development a d - mean our assumptions going in (inaudible) in 20-26 (inaudible). It is an urban ro dway 5 ~ and there is no rural. (Inaudible--1 transportation - as we are lookina ~t the ~~ ; ~,~ : '> ; I ,y( ~ ~ _ y' s g ~ x ~~ ~}. . R # ` 3 ' ~ ~'t ' ~ ~ ~ ' n •,u Y ! -~ IF 3 r`i ., 4: . : ~~ y~ ?}.i:+e~ p ~ . + '~~.', y, w"%~~i~ ',:P .:fat 'Y ~.,f •ri. ..;i°. ! i -9t ~ K ~~, • : 4 1 `` ~ ^ z " ~ ' ^ ~fi ~ I I , T ~y~5x, ~; »~ a $ . k - kar l.. •av,e-r # s~5 .L ~~: k : gr S ~ ,#, tl t ~q. cc ,h 'L + a ~ ' 'G s ={{~ e i } ~ ~ . ~ ;e +. w t ; 1 ` ~~ ' ~ ~ ` " JV .. ~ •~ j . ; J';` ?r k µR ~ " ` ,•'yws 3 ~5;Y . ~ : ~~,? Z~ k ,~' '?~ ~x, ~j a"s~µ~; ^ ~ ~>9 .. y,~4; h' ..v yA ~ y i. y1 4 I ~~'J. ~ r 1~ 1 11 , ~ .h~,."- g ff.. .. •'R~ ~ 'p' ~.~~~ ~ : ' . ~ ~ i . F. 105 . 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It i The (inaudible) scenario for Communities in Motion is the community choices s~ and does target all these roads within cities and urban areas and that is what dealing with (inaudible--) corridors. So, it really wouldn't matter, just different levi everybody is going to get that principle arterial on the way. They really are enco~ your participation. The shaded area is a study to look at a river crossing b~ Middleton and Star. We are going to have the six or so mile gap between Mir Road and Star and looking for (inaudible) for that because - well, I am here about 20-26, but (inaudible). The City Clerk called me after I talked to Star anc can't believe you got their attention. I said we are going to be talking about a around Star. Yes, Steve. tF, Siddoway: On the expressway design for 20-26, my understanding is that it is lik ly that Y`' the half-mile access may not be there, we just have a one mile. At least that is j ist one ,~ ~t.,a;~ of the options for expressway. ~:.f F,' Nilsson: That would be an option, yeah. Siddoway: I don't know if the Commissioners know (inaudible) discussion to hake it at Council in the North Meridian plan, but just throw it out for discussion - we talked about 20-26 through North Meridian from Eagle to McDermott and the idea of having a great separated expressway that interchanges at the mile. I know access at the half-mi!~le, but they are pretty committed to those half-mile accesses and we have been - Zaremba: --given them away already, so - Siddoway: -- and the back-age road network that we have approved with Meridian plan functions as long as there are half-mile accesses, but if those go and it goes to the mile then that back-age road network would have to do som different. So, I released on the record through Communities in Motion and this is "~~~' I have somewhat of an internal struggle because I understand that restricting it t accesses provides greater capacity and we just talked about the dire needs for ca improvements and maintaining that capacity, but right now we are moving towarc ITD calls type four accesses, which is half-mile accesses. I don't know if - "' 1 ~ry~ i~~" r~y~ x ;,i S!~'1 .~ ,~i; >j~~ L *~:f': i~~ Nilsson: I mean, (inaudible) is a minimum access, but the volumes and I mean th~ that will rule other full access at the half-mile is going to stay full access or it is g~ become a (inaudible) -from the (inaudible) and the right of ITD to maintain roadway. I don't know, this is again getting out of your mindset of today and pro, into the future what that (inaudible) might be and it is going to be a lot differer other roads that you are going to see -that you typically see today (inaudible) a~ the word expressway. (Inaudible discussion) traffic a lot. enario re are Is and raging dleton to talk said I North away ething where ~ mile what thing ng to safe acting from i it is th~~ ~ ;-x .- t ~ ar x. rs F. r~ ~ ~ ~ ~ y Y ~~ Lt 1i l.~F T { 4 ~ 1 V K T '~ ~, yy~'~ ~ ~ !t~ .w ~.~ ~L dE49 ~ t. t ~ ~ 11wr 4'~ .N .i:a 7t a-vi:r~ srlY{` t ~' ~~, ~ ~ ~ , ~- y _f ~!1-:., fi` -y.,.,,~~ t.,d 1 7a~~ `t ., ~~ x ~~ ~~ .IY~F 3 ^ Y ~ ..~.: ~ t> ' 4 '~? ~~ $ ~ ~~ \< ~~ ~ ` E 4h ~+k ~'~ _ ,'.~ II ` M ridi Pl i & Z i C i $ i ® II ' ' ° ~ ~ e an ann ng on ng omm ss Spec al Meeting March 30, 2006 Page 20 of 60 I Siddoway: (Inaudible) do we -are we committed? Do we - >,, Nilsson: Yeah, you know what - it is tough and as we go through the - th~l~is is a ;~.. federally funded study and it is going to go through an alternatives analysis and that is going to be one of those alternatives. I mean, I don't know how -lines on it and ~~, , different cross sections will be alternatives. Think of a new Broadway or three cities, we `'''~ have got all these lines on the map and those are the alternatives now (inaudi~'le) the ' study of 20-26 is going to be what the line looks like. The line is going to be prett~ much ~. in the same place. It might be a little bit off center in places, but - ~.. i '; :~. r° '`'~ Siddoway: And if those alternatives are analyzed and then compared in to ms of '~~~~;~ progression speeds and congestion or whatever, you know, performance in safety :' measures then that is the kind of data that the Commission and Council can use to say ~:~:~ we stand by what we did or we rethink what we have been doing, but at least t en we °' have something to base it on. i ~~' ~~~ ~' Nilsson: Right. '~ '~ ' '~ ~ Zaremba: The difficulty is how do we rethink what we have been doing? Wc~ have ~q'~;"~_ ~ already recommended approvals on the (inaudible) half-mile access. That is dons. ~ :` ° Borup: Does it make a difference if it is urban area or a more rural area or you just kind ~~ ' ~- of (inaudible--)? I I Siddoway: That's what (inaudible) talking about. 'li ~r;>, __:.,~ Borup: I'd have more words -highly commercialized and dense -maybe the traffic lights there. It makes sense. I mean, you have got a lot of businesses; you are g ing to - w`°~ need the access. Canning: That is what (inaudible) and engineers ultimately had to compare thole two p} t>; alternatives (inaudible--). s ~ Borup: I don't see 20-26 quite the same as Eagle Road and Fairview. , (Inaudible discussion) ~,- ,.,;; Borup: I mean as far as the commercial development around. !I ~ .~` Nilsson: Well, yeah a different scale, but still - I, ~: I Siddoway: 20-26 west of McDermott even it seems in the future that it is still is di~ferent '~` , than 20-26 east of McDermott in terms of urban verses rural. ~ ra:'i'.c, ~. ~_.',, _. ti _, • i~ ~.Y'_ ` $l 4~v i . _ ,., ~~ "' ~s JF ~ ~,[~ S g~,4&'3. .` '".. ~ ~ I 1' 1. _~'~~.. _~~1 45r1i'Yr~; y¢¢~~ C r_i~ ~I~R~~ fit' 3.i _4~ .~^^ +~ iY ' k: j .C~`k' N .` tT~ 2W~ ~3,, ~ 4 !r ~a A+ Y. ~, Stf~ i 4 ~ C, N 1 ,y. ~r tl?.:, ~` } . t t:~~tr ~ l ~~ s5. ..:<}'r. ... .. 4, ;y~ ~ _ ~ ,~.~ r,~ ~ '. tiu ~1 ~~~~ ,~~::-. 3' ~r~'~ ~ ? 7 fi'• ' LL 8, ... .. y '~: - ._k r T{ ~`i '~$~~Sk. 4 3 °. k'' 5 ~:.,,c `3~.. V i ~ 3 6'' 2 'r -1: S~" I ' ~' Meridian Planning & Zoning Commission Special Meeting March 30, 2006 ?:ri;;w r Page 21 of 60 ' 'i Sullivan: It is not so much as maybe long term it will look the same, but the difference is °':~`' ~ that we have the opportunity now west to get that one mile spacing if we can figy~re out ~~ how we get there. But, this area is pretty much platted for the most part. ~, ~.~ ' Y (Inaudible discussion) ; °` y ~. Borup: I just want to comment on signalization. (Inaudible) on basically this ype of ~ road and some of them seem - I mean, if the lights are synchronized you mo right ~t . ` `, ~ alon Others ou are sto in at eve li ht and I don t see ve man laces round 9• Y pp 9 rY 9 rY Y p _ ` Boise where the lights (inaudible--) because the traffic makes a difference? ~. ~;a ,;; Nilsson: There has been quite an investment by ACHD and ITD in int Iligent transportation system components. (Inaudible) actually 20-26 is a corridor at Fast at ~ the (inaudible) is vibrant, but pretty much downtown Boise synchronized, but wf~at will ~~ ,~, >>~-~~" set it off, though is an ambulance, emergency service and really screw ~p the V; w ~- synchronization up for over 10 or 15 minutes sometimes, depending on the time Iof day ~ t. !, and the signal timing. But, the others there is a regional intelligent transpq~rtation `~ system plan that was done through COMPASS back in 1999 and right now it isl being updated by ACHD and a whole group of people laying out what they call the ystem j architecture, which is a fancy word for basically the infrastructure that you n~ed on ~~~ certain roads. .:,, ~`` ` Borup: Well, that is what I was wondering if that is done and having ahalf--mile ~ccess Y=~' points can be minimized fairly quickly (inaudible--). ~: F; (Inaudible discussion) <':; Nilsson: But, actually what I was going to say (inaudible) with ACHD (inaudible-) and single regression volumes and I know they sent that one email and -and ITD for Eagle ~,,~,~ Road improvements we worked part of that (inaudible) Eagle Road is that int Iligent transportation system and getting those lights and a vibrant intelligent system in to enhance progression and that is really a high volume of (inaudible--). I haven't se n too n""'~~'~ much details on that, but there is a lot of attention being paid to that comment c~n that " . ~ Eagle Road construction, it is not just widening or not widening, but conscious of landscaping and all that that (inaudible--). ~ ~. .,` Stiles: I just had aquestion - well, I just noticed that the city has improved a co I ple of ~~ variances or access to highways. Do they have control over that and if they don' have ~, ~~ the political will to say no to that, I mean in the planning world and the reality wor d and ~ z~°~, that is two different things. ~ r~: '~ Nilsson: (Inaudible) took it well, but on March 10th we had a corridor preservation committee meeting (inaudible-) and Monty McClure of the ITD Board attended and ~' Monty got an earful from Meridian, then Eagle and Caldwell and Ada County about ~~~ access permitting and Monty learned a lot in that meeting about the process. before ;~~ }'~~~ then it had been an issue and I am actually working on a cooperative agreement with Y' ._ ~,..` ~ ,b :. ~! ~' `` + ___ 4, ~.,~ ~i i GFf~p ~'~l . T' ~ ~ -+~ ~ ~ I ~~ 3T~ ~ N n~ ', ~ % Y fie. ~ y `~ a ' ~ . . ; ,... ~s: i' .. 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''~`~ F ~ ~~ ~ x iJ~ N.k nom" .-w i Fgt 3 Meridian Planning & Zoning Commission Special Meetin g s March 30, 2006 I, Page 22 of 60 ITD and the COMPASS member agencies on how to better integrate th e land ~ development process with the access permitting function of ITD. Now (ina udible) "~~~''' probably shoot the moon for it, but at least I talked to enough people and I was telling ~` ~ ~ Sue today that before I put pen to paper, I am going to be doing a lot of interviev~ rs with ~' ?!;°~ different agency people because there are different perspectives on the process t }~ at we ~~ : need to understand first before we say this is really how we need to make it work) . I am not sure how - I mean, I will have to get some options from the very impr essive ' r'. coordination to business as usual, which I think is not acceptable to most eople. ,~`' Basically, the purpose of the corridor plan is to make the access permit decision snap `"~ (inaudible). No maybes. No, let's just talk about it or we will appeal this ~ - to the A-: s; executive permits committee at headquarters at ITD and you know we have got t have ~': from bottom to top full support and this is the plan for support. That is it. Monty got an h'` "''~ earful about how the cities are trying to help ITD and ITD is not helping the citi~ s with y.:.; - their decision, so I think hopefully the cities will feel the need to -will have lei s of a need to grant these (inaudible). But, I think they are doing it following ITD's dec isions on permits. ;~ p ~_ Siddoway: Yes. I ,_': ~,~~ Sullivan: I would like to flush out that conversation a little bit. One of the issues that is in locations all over the Valley and in particular on Eagle Road is that they are d eded access points on the highway that were negotiated when they went to wid n the highway and in purchasing the right-of--way - Siddoway: -- years ago. Sullivan: -- yeah. They are all over the place. Right now the legal advice is that a r'~°~'~ ~' concern that if we take away deeded access rights we have to pay for it. We don' have the money to pay for all of these access points. There also is even an issue to some degree about existing access and what implied right they have there. I am riot an ~s '~ attorney and I -there are some things that I, you know, can't quite understand, but ;' guess I would encourage you guys if you see something that is happening th t isn't '' sitting right - I mean, feel comfortable using your land use authority to restri t that ^~~~ access to the best of your ability if you feel like that is what is best for that site location because there is some places where it is really kind of constrained by some of li those property right's issues. Borup: I think we have had some of the past troubled access points -now before)-and the designing that we cut it down to two, as long as we get these two. That seenhs like a good compromise sometimes. '~ 9!°..t ~~; ~~I ~: Sullivan: Yeah, that is happening a lot. ~, ' ' Canning: (Inaudible) says none. ~,: . ~ ;. ~ > . s •R~,., ' _ _ it-f'.:. W .4j" jai `. S F~~ ~i. i 3 ~. ~ Z ~ r " ~i' ~ ~ ,, ~ ~ `f~i{ r!...._.r .. . ~ ~,. '~zv ~. - v ~, 'd r hi', ~f, . -' i L ~~ :~5S~ ` ~ 1' 1 1 ' ~~ Y c, 'V y1 ~_ {'~ { 1 ~'$ ~. ~. I 71 ~ :. l ~ ~ 1~.~ ~1 1 +Yvi ..rte tits ~ .i. o ~. 1p 6 ~ ~ ti _ I~r ^4d h~ *~ ~~ y.;'. ( v [ -~: ~ ~;~. 3 ~y ,7:~ ,. ~~?~. ~. ._ F- ~, y y -" ~. ,rr~ ~~ . F< ~f z3 -!:~ }., ;~; !'-'S: ~,; r 4 Meridian Planning ~ Zoning Commiss~Special Meeting • March 30, 2006 Page 23 of 60 Sullivan: You know I believe myself and I suppose you can get into these discussions where the developer has perspective, but I think they can function without those if the infrastructure is set up right to allow them to do that. In some places, maybe w~ can't get that infrastructure set up, but it is a learning curve and it is a bit of a struggle, but honestly you guys are, I would say, have been the cutting edge on that in Idaho., Kuna had the ordinance first, but really I think in your case in Meridian we have really pulled together just to a more comprehensive package a little double system, you know, including the parallel collectors and the berms and the whole deal. I mean, often hen I am in other places I talk about your ordinance and that I would like to s e that implemented in other parts of southwest Idaho. So, I think there are some g owing pains happening, but I would encourage you to - as I told some of our staff, I sai what happens then and I can understand how you guys would feel like, well we don' have the transportation expertise to make those kinds of decisions on what the ramifi ations of that access or no access are. That is where I can see that maybe there mi ht be some discomfort on the city's side, but if we can find a way to work through that, ven if it is just getting together at staff level and giving some advice. Zaremba: I think the thing that I find discomfort with is we get to a public hearing` know what the Meridian ordinance is and it has been well pointed out to the applicant or the developer and they try and put us in between kind of what they want. I gue~s the difficulty is we have a Meridian ordinance that says you can't do it, but there is rho ITD regulation that we could point to and say "aha" that says the same thing. 'I Sullivan: We do have a policy. Zaremba: Well, I know there is a policy, but the developers say it is just a polio. It is not a rule and I have this application in front - ', Canning: In the letter from the access management folks says we will grant yob three access points, if your variance approves and the way Council reads that is oh, these must be okay then and I think that your conversation with them will help a lot on ithese. They are not hearing from - to give the Commission an update -they approved it (inaudible--). They denied the Sadie Creek one. They approved the one on Hi hway 69 at Overland, but I asked them to reconsider that action and so that will be b ck up before them on the 18th. That is the only time I have ever done that and they did 't yell at me, but there is some confusion as to what they approve and I am just asking that they reconsider it in it's entirety and they will approve the (inaudible) by then (inaudible) and hopefully they will maybe better understand what ITD is saying. They think thi~at hey the transportation engineers are saying this okay, we should just grant these. SI'o, it is dlfflCUlt. Zaremba: Well, I guess the situation I am describing is like when a kid goes t~ and asks a question and it doesn'.t get the answer they like then they go to dad a the same question. We need to be able to say everybody, ITD and ACRD, ME the County and COMPASS somewhere all have to have the same rule. So tl mom ~d ask ~idian, at we ,~-,, - - 1 '~ h '~l, ir'. ~ 1 S.~ ~ Y i,~ ~ th_ i ~ fe. ~ ifry aH'~11.'S ~ 1 ~' .k~~~'. r °~+ ~~ ,-< ~ s ti.~-~`~ ?n t ~ X d ~`" h `~+ti~' ~; ~~ ~ .. ;~- ~~ a a ~ ~ t ~ L'~t r : r~ r , ,~?~ 41«E '6 r ~ ~~. ~ .. ~ hl ~.~-E PI ? t y, it 1~d1S~ {i; i ~ T T f _ 'T ~+ h ' 6 r~ i A ~ ~ ~ X.. .x ..•.~mr: ~fq t ~ Gx k tc-:: +Fb '~ ~ e r.. s ~t ~e.,., t }~ ~n, ,,''t4 { ^ ~,~71, t F r , ' r.~ N .~... Meridian Planning & Zoning Commiss'14Yi Special Meeting March 30, 2006 Page 24 of 60 ~. ~:~:~ ~, ;3 ~:" . ~ ,> z; ~a ~~ N~rfl* { a~, e. ~. ~. - -:. ~` ~' ,. don't go to a public hearing in front of all the public and act like people are putting off against each other. I Sullivan: We are having it changed to our access management policy and theey are going to try and get an interim, temporary rule change which I think starts right a er this session is over. So, I am not entirely sure what that will look like, it is just so ething that the conversation has just started, but hopefully that will tie up some of the gaffs. Canning: What will it say? I Sullivan: I don't know. I just know that it was - Zaremba: You are welcome to use our ordinances when - Sullivan: When it came to a point where it was pointed out by those who wo!,uld be interested in going to court over it, it said that it is just a policy it is not a rule an~ so as far as property rights go, you can only -only the rule applies and so we are going to have to try and get that into the rules ordinance. Nilsson: That is what we want to sort out in these (inaudible) agreements (inau~ible--) and legal authority for (inaudible) meeting not just with the agencies, but w~th the attorneys (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion) Hood: We are talking about State Highways and along the same line we run into n just arterials with ACHD and I don't want to go down that road too much, but keep iri mind what I try and tell folks is we don't have strict policies of what your off sets nee to be and things like that, but we do have policies that we can't limit those access ' oints. Sometimes ACHD they -you can have several access points, but the numbe~s that Trish showed earlier are going to be the same on any arterial street (inaudible) the highway. You are going to have more accidents. You are not going to be as e~icient on the roadway system and what I tell applicants when they are showing every p ssible access that ACHD will give them, where they have got existing accesses now; w~ have the land use authority. You want to be annexed into -you like your existing ho 'e now and in 48 years and you like your access that much, keep it then. If you ant to develop it though this is what our ordinance says and even if ITD or ACRD is g ing to get the access points, we don't have to grant it. This is where you develop, not wi h ITD or ACRD, but with you guys. It hurts when the City Council says well you can ifiave it anyway, but at least here and that is what I am trying to do is say we are trying to'~~-you know and they know that I am (inaudible--) and go up and get it (inaudible). ', Canning: The Council has upheld all the ones that are residential. It is the comnhercial that they are most reluctant to - I t ;a, Z i w1c Y m ~ ! ° '' ,$+ ~v N` 5.55 :r +15- «t ,> ", ~.,~~y „,y , > < " ~ n ' '~ ` ' ~ ~ ~ ,~ 7 ' p q 4a.:' .:yy."~ .*~ ;:. . "l:tr ~ !~ ~ Y sI r ;. . ,. ~. • e f ~ 5 S :. io ~'~' ~` c w!- 4j ~ ~S s~"tH-~ : ~ a <• :'1 ~f ~ ; Y!xd i ; ei F ~1` w ~#~ ~ ~ ~ , x .i . . .,. .ft > a - ~t .. 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' ~. } m=g:.F~`a c~ _.. .~rLl Y~~~ `sl it ~ i ~ [E r}•~~;•'..'~ w, ~,,.;..,,~ r ... ~' i' -- ~x~ I ~sv~:~ I Meridian Planning & Zoning Commiss';an Special Meeting ® ~i "_' ~~ ~ March 30, 2006 Page 25 of 60 Hood: If they approve it, but you still have the authority to say no. Well, then (inaudible) if you really like it that much, then you know, we don't want your proje t. Get ~` -; something that maybe you like that has access. ', ~. Nilsson: Well, if you think on 20-26 and you know you work on the project, bud when ' ~ you see those (inaudible) results, you know I don't really care about the project.) They l.: ~ ~` , - have their needs I guess. But, to be fair to new developers, you can t just say no to the access, you have to have an alternative and that is looking at that local network a I d that is why at least in North Meridian we kind have that already. Other places it is to much ~" of a (inaudible). Now they if they have reasonable access to another street t ere is `'~ really no need to have it on that State Highway. You don't have to give it to them. <•~~, There is the 67 6509, you know giving the authorities to zone; access is specificdlly set in there (inaudible--). Always have to look at a perspective if you are evaluating the ~. ,,'~ access from the land to the highway and ITD is in the highway looking at acre s, you know, that way, but you have that authority. I mean you shouldn't think of your elf as secondary to ITD or ACRD. n Fa r~l ,.< ,~ ~t ~3 E: '~. ~~, . _ .,Y- ~,~ Ef ,,; :; ~, Sullivan: And part of it is expectation and I think that I read this somewhere in~ some report about how so much - I mean, nobody ever even thinks about coming nand asking for an access to the Interstate. I mean it is obvious and we have - 'I Zaremba: Well, we are at Ten Mile. Sullivan: But they are on - on 20-26 the half-mile access has been going pretty smoothly for the most part. I think one developer might be trying to sneak in a uarter mile, but and we will see what happens there, but it's been going pretty smoothly, I think because the expectation has been set. We talked about it enough. It is in the ordinance. I think Eagle Road has a bit of a this loss cause ambiance about it an even when the engineers submit their traffic impact study, they even say things like tha . Like well it is basically already at capacity, so it doesn't matter. So, hopefully, a can continue to at least take strides on the corridors that we can protect and as we g south on Meridian Road - (Inaudible discussion) Zaremba: Well that is why we are so concerned about 20-26. I mean, you men'Itioned 16 and Meridian Road south, knowing that Eagle Road was behind the curve to begin with and we want to make sure we are ahead of the curve. Canning: And if 69 is going to go expressway, we need to know by yesterday o~ Kuna needs to know. Sullivan: If you ever feel like there is a development that you want me to be herd for to ask questions, I can do that. I can't come to all of them just out of a -but, if you f el like there is something on the related that is special that I can bring the transportatio piece ,. ,~ ,~;' x ~~ ~;~exi~c At t a~. ~ ,t i t .~~~ ~ ~ • -s ~= i v a ~ ~~ ~ t7: ~ t ~.'~- ~' ~ i yh ~ .a 2 ~ ~~h x 1 av f H~ r Z '. r.~,.yl ~`. ~~ L Y ~ 1m ~ ;r, ~ 4 /~, _ ~~ a. n ;Nk~ r , t+1G ~_ ' y~ w+ T i y ti l 54~ l ' r ~ - ~ 4R1'~'~~ , ~ yc t~ ~:~ ,:.i n i ~-[ 5 ~~ } i { .Zy. } { ~ 4 4 t y.~ ^+l~ - 3 ti ty A:ti ,~~ r }~ t F: ~~ . +~s~ ~. t ] ~ dA}`Mr. ~ 7 ~ 5 ` ~ ^G*3dt ~5t y~ ~ R F { ~f 4T^T. . ~ x. f Meridian Planning & Zoning Commissi'Sfi Special Meeting March 30, 2006 "1' Page 26 of 60 ~~.~~ :. ~:. E' ~, w 3 k` s ..~ ~>~,; ; s ~' r i r1; s ' ~:: 1 1' to say well, in other words we are going to have to approve that because it is needed, but it is not something that we think is a good situation if you need to hear that. i i i Borup: Could we just have that as a memo (inaudible). Sullivan: You know I have asked our attorney (inaudible). I have asked, can I say is anybody going to have heartburn if I say annexation like you are talking about t at it is in the best interest of the public to have this access spacing and we would reco mend that this development relinquish all access points between there.. I really didn't et an answer out of him. Zaremba: One of the things that we have to work around is that maybe a de eloper should just (inaudible) five acres and the acreage around them is not developing, where we would put aback-age road, so at the moment they don't have any other opp rtunity for access, but the one that are in need for. Is there a way that we could perhap in the development agreement or whatever you can use this access now, but when eve tually an alternative comes, you must give up this access? Sullivan: Yeah, we have had a few of those where we have had it on the plat, ~ut it is temporary and will be removed when alternate access is available and it has been on some plats and we haven't yet been to the point where we have taken one away, but yeah that is kind of the way we are - 'I Zaremba: (Inaudible--) plats that can be (inaudible). Sullivan: Yeah, we are handling it that way now. Nilsson: I want to quickly go through the process. Sue, see those handouts right there? Could you start those around? Some people don't like these words "study" and t ey are like oh, all you do is study and I feel like it is really project development on 20-2 The process going through the National Revenue Policy Act Requirements for fe erally funded study and kind of where we are right now is just before step three. We h ve got numerous stakeholder interviews over last fall (inaudible--) the whole length of it with the property, owner and developers and the Mayor, ACHD, anyone with a~ utility company, UPS, anyone who has an interest in traveling on 20-26. I learned a I ~ t from those and that is where we really learned almost to a (inaudible) that they ant to maintain the speed on that (inaudible) that highway as an alternative to I-84. Hi hway 44 was more a variety (inaudible--), 20-26 was just keep it a highway, you know I want to be traveling on that, I don't want to be stopping at lights all the time. I don't ant to be on another Eagle Road. The other thing we are doing is by technical da a and preliminary traffic analyses have been done, an environmental study has bee done and the handouts you have - we have some first that we call scoping (inaudib~e--) to make sure we really understand all the issues out there. So, there is two meetin s that are scheduled one in Ada County and one in Canyon County and I really enc~urage your attendance on that. It will be somewhat of an open house format. I aven't worked at all the specific logistics and we probably would opt for small discussion as • ,. ~ •,>~•:' ..,:~ ~r •..t,.a=-, i t~ r a ~ i, ~ N:: .o .3;~:.rt~az'S'~~.~. •r;:6s;1>~..~.*~d,n.}fix: .~., V~t- ~~rz~''Y' .# t>r' ~y T .y t '~ F ,rkM'~ .ck ~h ~^~"'P ' ~s? .ffiz4 ''~, . ~..',TC: .t' w~Ry~.~c. ~' .':.p~'.:N,~+''~•,~~S~y ' H~ m } WK'S ~i' ~5'v ~ 1'`F~ .` ~ k N"t J, fx ; ` .:~: ~ ~ - ~;f:. ~~ ~~A ~ .•~~ Y L~ ~i 1 l• 3 S. „x, {.9y ~' i ~~ ~ j I ~~i ! ~4 ~"' r r; ~~r 444 ~ ~ ~¢•; ~ r i ~ Y~7+y ~tfi ~ ~ ry ~ ,~M < r~ .. ~~ Y is ~ 1,.,i s-; ~=}t t , i Y ;:.~ F ~r:E ~ J' F~: M -.; r ~~ fi h. ' I . 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They are familiar with EIS, Environ ental Impact Statements that really impact (inaudible) not as a real bust investigatio We just feel that there is really -after the environmental (inaudible) there really aren' going to be some major impacts that would require an EIS. (Inaudible--) pass round Middleton, they have got 450 storage structures, and of course it is going to be EI We (inaudible--) do an EA and then have to go to court like (inaudible) and be force to do an EIS. Highway 44 has EIS written all over it. Alternatives of evaluation, they will go through the evaluation process based on the public values and the agency ne ds are for that (inaudible) could reach from the roadside features and into a road (inaudible--) to speed, safety performance, and a variety of criteria that then the alternatives (will all be (inaudible). Take the third alternative in terms of how all the alternatives rate out to the public and then have a public hearing, which is a need for requirement in the process. Then the deliverable (inaudible--) environmental document, which ederal highways will have to approve before I can even purchase right-of-way -nation I right- of-way plan, which is kind of a survey document and I also want to (inaudible-!-), but you want to get the locals a quarter plan. This is your 20-26 Comp Plan, basica~ly and that picture they will hang on the wall everywhere just like the (inaudible) and other jurisdictions. This is the corridor that we are going to have here in the future a d how each individual property plays into that. That will be the highway, but also be th~t local network as well. So, you really are going to - it had engaged ACRD (inaudible--~ came out of district and (inaudible--) and then adoption of that. Siddoway: Where are we now? ~I Nilsson: Just before three. We have done the interviews. We have done a lot of the technical data gathering analysis. We really have gotten a good understanding of the corridor, what it is now and what is going to really meet the (inaudible--) in the fut~re. Siddoway: Do you think adoption is a year away or is further than that or is it (closer than that? Nilsson: I think it would be really (inaudible--) considered in a year a one half. Tf~e one thing about 20-26 is we just don't see a lot of controversies. I mean, you kn w it's (inaudible--) it's a difference of a 30 feet right-of-way, or a little more than that, ut it is not like we have people saying don't widen the road or stay away. People hav - we even interviewed (inaudible--) a property owners wife at Ada County and they bwn a home on 20-26, just west of Black Cat and (inaudible-). It is an old house. (Ina Bible) and he is now a judge. Those are kind of the stakeholders and those are r asons (inaudible--) and we are going to have to move the house or we are just going (inaudible--) hopefully they can just do it on the north side of the road, but I mean it was already so noisy there that they had put up a fence as a necessity and they had pit a lot of money in that house, too. Right off the bat, they said yeah, we understand yo guys have got to widen that road. But, they have seen personally so many accidents that it ~;:: r . ~ ~ *s f f Lr r. ,;; ,;~ ~ -;: ~~; ;:s 1 5~l ~+>. as , ~ }~+~~`~ r; :,~ '~";i ~~ ~,_~ i'' s +' ,,: .F, ~ } ~~~~; y `:,a' '4'+j? >~ ::'~; s -1 ,:` ;~,,. #r `' Meridian Planning & Zoning Commiss~Special Meeting March 30, 2006 Page 28 of 60 ', affects their enjoyment of living there. They get it. I don't know how much more you want to go. This is the crash history. I just wanted to show you briefly and vurith the consultant I got all the crash records from ITD - 500 crashes, 8 fatal. The crash rate, look at that, 67 percent? Wasn't that like the national average in that first line' Isn't that amazing? Thirty-three percent injury crashes were access related. Sixty-two percent of the fatal were access related (inaudible--) section on driveway. Borup: How long of a section? Nilsson: That is for the whole corridor (inaudible--) Gem County to Eagle Road in Ada County. ~, Siddoway: Tricia if you could send me the PowerPoint, I can email it ~o the Commissioners. Nilsson: Yeah, I actually sent it to (inaudible--) just because it had some morel slides because of (inaudible) strengths and there is some hidden slides that you can u hide if you want, even more pictures of bad accesses. But, I thought the crash -and that is something they will do (inaudible) of safety analysis (inaudible). Do you ha a any particular questions on 20-26 as we move forward on work? We are really upto our eyeballs right now (inaudible) all of the change along the corridor. Like Sue aid, it helps to be in a hearing or any information, you know I am a poor substitute for S e, but I can always show up. I show up for tech review. I just like the imagery. (Inaudible--). (Tape turned over) Nilsson: -- if you tried to travel that intersection, through that interchange it is ~, really, really bad. Rohm: What are they going to do specifically at that area? ~~ i Nilsson: (Inaudible) do you know what the design looks like? ~~, Sullivan: I don't handle it. It is major improvement to the interchange and than other side all the way into Caldwell. There is actually -Caldwell has a couple of projects that are tied to it. Nilsson: It will be at least a four lane cross, where it is two lanes now. I, Siddoway: I think we have got the access management on all of these; we jus~~ don't have the 20-26 one. ' Nilsson: I will try cut - it is a big design. Siddoway: Yeah, if we could just get a big printout, we could just get copies. Ni',~ ~~.'~\ k+, r -'S~ ~.T1 R `~ , f`t l~ C N~~~ ! l,i Y~,' -~ .:+a. rz..i ~- ~ a ~':~:~ 4 i ~ .~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~ 7~ .$ h.31t i'~ t '; :y. xa' h ~r ~£ ~^ '..y h~ r r; ~ ~ ,_a I~ Y^`p': a aa~; ~ Y" ~ E l ~ ~;~,$ ~ ,, 7 Fw is rt,r~ JT ~., r* W. ~.~ 4.. P .§Tp r, ~-+3 ~h: r ~ <~.., ~ , ~ ~.. IA. I .' r "' Meridian Planning & Zoning CommissiBTrSpecial Meeting ® '~ ~~:}~~~ March 30, 2006 ~, ;; Page 29 of 60 E, ~ Nilsson: I guess I could burn it on CD's for you guys, if you want me to. Siddoway: Would you rather have it on CD or would you rather have it printed out? -~. i ~` (Inaudible discussion) ',:~ '~ "' ''' Nilsson: We could do both. Dave wants it printed. ,. '~~~ ~:~: Zaremba: I could do it on CD. i~ Nilsson: Just as long as it is not an email. II ~_, r~ Boru Do ou have an ro ections on the inaudible-- Interchan e? Ea ~e had p~ Y Y P 1 (~ )~ 9 9 ,;,,;r; several - r~ PY ~{yK~,• Nilsson: That came up in the 2015 plan and I think they called for urban interchange, ~~ `'~~ think, between Eagle and Fairview (inaudible--). ~- Y- ~? _ Borup: That probably would have been the Fairview to Eagle and Franklin? ' ~ Nilsson: I don't know. I don't have it - I am trying to think. I can't imagine CHD ~y!~~~~ (inaudible) that interchange. I think the first interchange is going to be Highway '~6 and ~; 1 Highway 44 (Inaudible--). What did you say? ~`¢ '." I, ~.; ~ '. Sullivan: Yeah, the first arterial interchange would probably be out there. For o e, our funding, we really are in a crisis if we don't get something turned around in th near e ~ future. I think that transportation form is going on to some public workshops and I don't . ;, know the dates on that, but it's on our website and so for one, there would be no money :r_~ ' ~ in the next 20 years anywhere to build those interchanges. Borup: (Inaudible--) could probably preserve the right-of-way. r. Sullivan: Yeah, and that is -part of the thing is we need to preserve that right-~f--way. ' It is a discussion that we have talked about a number of times and we need to probably 6~' " sit down and worksho it out. It takes u gement, y'IOU put p p -you talk about access mana on there at Fairview and Eagle, your touchdown point is going to be way, way beck, so ~~, that you will have obstruct all the access into that commercial area for quite a way. ~`. Borup: I thought that would modify the interchange plan (inaudible). I mean, the first - ,., at the one corner the buildings were set back to allow for that interchange and I t ought that that other corner to the west didn't allow (inaudible) but they said it did. We ~hould have two more corners there. I, Sullivan: I have always asked for a copy of that. I have always asked for a copy cif that. ~~;1~ I have never seen that interchange design and I have asked a number of times. I think they get that from (inaudible). I 3 ' ~~ ;..,: { ~~ t ~.. `~ t .. t ,~. r a r G y~ :, ,~ ~ ,i',~~Y,r?~Sr ~~J ;ice .y~ ~ ~~ ti. ;St, E st ~>>.x ~,. c ~- ~,~. ,z ~ : , .. ~. ~~ 4.~~ .:~ _ ,. ,i t S; ' ~ a ~ ~ ~:; r irS ~-~ ~ ~ n ~ y ~ ;~~, "~~ ~~ ~~ ~~4 ^ra,at~ , ,s F 3 '~~ ~ r ~ ~ # ~,y ' µ F 11'x ~ ~ } iY~'{~ ~ -q Ir ~. ~1 .' ?' ~~ ~ ~4 Meridian Planning & Zoning CommissiSa"i Special Meeting ' March 30, 2006 ~, 4 Page 30 of 60 t. ~: Siddoway: (Inaudible) are at the family center down Crossroads did setback - x~. ~`F~' ~~ • (Inaudible discussion) 'I, I > ~ L ' ~ • Siddoway: -- because it was off the table when (inaudible). ~I -_ , I Sullivan: So, there is a couple of issues. One is the setback for a building like ~ lot of `' ~. ~- people are talking about Chinden and Eagle and okay there might be room thee, the , . t 1~ target is way over there, but when you imagine the gray that you have to get up to and ~ `~ ~' ~ ' !~ how far back - I mean, the next time you drive and think I would have to drive ~p and ~ ' ~ - ~_,. _ ~ over that traffic signal, you know and it goes out so far and then you have to have the access control back from that. It is a major impact to that commercial corner. S ,why ~~~ ~, x' . you might not take a building, you might have a takings because it impacts the p operty r' so much. I am not saying it's not doable or it is not something we should consi er as '~ s; things redeveloped, but I think it is a little bit more challenging than just callin I it an ~. ' urban interchange like it is a little (inaudible) and just plop it in there. ::. ;. ~~:~ Siddoway: Okay, at our last Communities in Motion meeting last Friday, th y did },,, identify the top ten heaviest and highest volumes of intersections and weren't the going ~;x;, to study those further in terms of treatments? I +V,,., Sullivan: We have in the program $200,000 next year to do what we call a high volume ~a intersection study. I put that in there when I had the opportunity because I got si k and ~:~ :~ tired of going to the state and local meetings with ACHD and ITD and have spe t a lot t~ of time on how do we fix Eagle City Market at Chinden and Eagle Road? The `~~' fundamental problem is that that property was never subdivided correctly. t was -: nobody's fault. You could trace it all the way back, but there wasn't adequate fr ntage °~ in a major intersection to provide access into and out of that property. It is not re Ily the 3 ' r~ developers fault, I mean I am not going to pin blame. It just wasn't really thought head of time how that intersection needed to function and then the land use be de~gned ~~> : appropriately for that. So, you have access points into that market. It is not so much '; the agency time; it is also one of the highest accident rates. It is a poster c ild for ~~' access and measure and why that is a good thing. So, we put money in there soil it is a ~``~~ ;: study, but it is actually going to hopefully compliment efforts that ACHD has done, look r; at the high volume intersections, but don't identify the ones that where you are fixing. "~'~ Where can we get ahead of it, where things really haven't been platted there and get a concept design done, so that the developers and jurisdictions know really ow to subdivide that corner and how to maybe do a small little circulation plan f~r that {` ~ ' because the delay in the system and there is so much delay at this intersection and if ~' `' you can help keeping traffic moving through the intersections, you have got a much ~,~,, greater benefit system wide. So, that is what that is about. We also, throug their update of the Capital Improvements program, ACRD has really looked and anal zed, ` '` ~ think all or 100 more intersections. We are not going to (inaudible) or use that, b t take ~. , :. ~-`=`~'I it to that next level of what does that picture -what does that have to be in the f ture? ?`' That will be an effort that will look at what is called the functional area of the inter lection t , in terms of the volume and speed and really what are the critical points? 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I ~ •' . ~ •'R 1:~ >~. :Y F'a. r m ~ { ~ { f ~+3eg~. • 5..':1 ::., "'S+; ~;, er bbb~ ~ :~{'.°..., ^v~ `' i 1• ~ 1 , ?• vs" S h ( 5 .rte ; ? " f , "•g ~. Y .~~' ;~" ~I`.~'c~i' ; may;:' , S , ~ ,. , ' .. i t ~ ... ? } . dr . ~'z. e.: ..a•..YE.~i.# ~.r 9+ ' ::a....f!. r t i. ~ s ,y . '.. is ~,. :... :.. . 1. l_s .~:: ''s ~k.. . i~ ~y: ~'! ., F^ ~'; ~°~,: t:_. ~;° ~~ '; N Meridian Planning & Zoning Commissi ri Special Meeting March 30, 2006 Page 31 of 60 longer area -- on the main road shorter, where you should not allow any access -~Ithat is really what that is. We will see how many we can actually get done with the money and I am not sure if any of these are tacked to really help identify those candidates fo~ that - it would be consulted time, basically right? Borup: (Inaudible --). We had the first people (inaudible--) studying. I brought f~hat up on one of the hearings a year or so ago and no one even had a copy of it. They vreren't even aware of it. (Inaudible discussion) Sullivan: I drew it, you know, Linder because Linder is shown as an interchange~n the Communities in Motion map and I was okay what do we do now that it is comi g up? So, I kind of drew out a really, really rough area that if you had what would be a type diamond interchange and the kind of area that that would take. I have that draw~ng for Linder, but - Borup: For where? Sullivan: Linder and Chinden, but one of the things - ~, ~ (Inaudible discussion) Sullivan: -- I haven't. i~ (Inaudible discussion) Sullivan: But, then there is also if you don't have it - if the route itself is not ma~~naged and then you have this nice interchange there, you would invest quite a bit of mo-~ey on this interchange, but the rest around is entirely congested, it is - I don't know th~y kind of have to go together. It has to be system (inaudible) within a spot. It is a conversation that we need to have and make sure as we redevelop that we don't lose those opportunities. ~, Borup: You know Franklin still has two intersections undeveloped yet, but that s~~ounds like (inaudible--) and Fairview still has possibly two on the board. Sullivan: It probably needs buying the property because there is nothing to build i~. It is not like they could (inaudible). ~~ Borup: Well, (inaudible) either way. I mean, if we can preserve it and (inaudible--~. Canning: Do the frontage or back-age roads alleviate the need for the i urban interchanges? That is what I heard recently. '~, - ~- .: r ~:: _ h ; ~ {-~ 6 7f L i o-4 ~i ~~ r 1 a H~I~tiS~~ i.~~ .4~ ' ~ ~~ ~Y' ~ C. k j"- f~ f ,.~ `~~ ~. _ 4;i sae, ~:, v'- ~'q ~~~ y ~. }~ <~ t7 ~ 7i- ; :.i: ~~ ~ i f .,.n_~ .., {fin c' }. ~_.>, z:, , ,~~~.~; i ~ ,r ~i y ~`; Meridian Planning & Zoning Commission Special Meeting • March 30, 2006 '~, Page 32 of 60 ~, ~ ~ ~,' - Sullivan: They help because they keep the short trips on that road. I mean, it just helps '' the volumes on the highway itself. So, it alleviates people at those points and I made a Y comment in one that you will see soon, where the collector road could be better end if it ?4~ was it might be better in the future. As we talked about with Steve before Sund y with ~~ the volumes that are out there maybe the left turning movement would be restrict d and ~.+,~ there would be no left outs and that way you get more green time for the thru mo ement and then what happens when you shut off that left out, you know where those ~eople ~, r ~ ~ are going to use this little parallel collector and if it winds through a neighborhood E°' (inaudible), so that is why those parallel collectors are important, but then you ado get into the discussion we had earlier about the impacts of that on the developmen and I ~; ~ know you guys have sort of moved to -you are really strong where it is commerc al and ~ ., then it lightens up a little bit when you get into residential. ~'' ~~ Siddoway: Whereas residential we haven't required parallel collectors, we do in~gend to =t:- ~ _ require connectivity (inaudible) allowing the front of the house - II; '~ ` ~..~,, f:- ~ Canning: Not on the arterials, on the interior section. ~' ~~ Zaremba: I would ask kind of a sideways question. There have been several times ~' f, already (inaudible), we essentially know what the right thing to do is, but we don t have `~ ' ~ ' the money to do it and therefore, it probably is never going to happen because it will ~ ~' never be cheaper than it is now, of course. Is there anyway for ITD at least in a area ~~ '' =,` that is growing as fast as Meridian is, to have an (inaudible) fee like ACRD does? ~ E ,. "` Sullivan: Yeah, it is being talked about right now. They think it will probably ta~Ce two years, maybe three by the time they would be able to pull a package together an ~ get it ~ to the legislature. So, I don't know. They are talking about it. I am not really in tf~at mix , that would be directly privy to that information, but I think it is something that ne' ds to ~n;:~ happen. It is a little harder. We can't really use ACHD's structure, our roads re so regional and that is a little bit of the argument that we get into with the developers all the r ~~>~ time is the background traffic. This isn't my development, this is the background racks. ~~ ~'''`" It is coming from Mountain Home. It is coming from whole other towns. So, don't know, but I think it needs to be worked on and I think there will be other propos Is too ~~ ~ like gas tax (inaudible--). '~ ~, ~ -'' Borup: That is where it should be coming from (inaudible--). We are way behn other a<~,.;r,: ~, r states (inaudible). ,: z Nilsson: I think the meeting this week with ACHD (inaudible) because I had to say it more bluntly than her district engineer would. There isn't any state money for rods. It ~`- `' is all going pretty much into maintenance of the existing system. So, if ACHD wants to ~~..`..': partner with ITD on some signal projects, there isn't a state money to partner. It would have to all be federal money that would take three to four years (inaudible). think }' "`'' ACRD has finally - I don't know - it finally is sinking in that there is no state mone . It is a great idea; we have done it in the past. There is no state money. w. v. ~~ ,; ~ . ,; y k~G .. =F. ;tom -r i r: ~~, ~ '` .. 3'.,Cx ,..~ h S' Y 4 ¢ ~' I sl '?. ! i ~'1~3J ~k11 ~~~~ T ^'.l Y x y it K. ' ~ ~ f 3: Y ti..~. _ r H~}°y spy. ~' ~ t ~ k. .. v` ' ~+6 ~i t ~ '' <~` ~~. ... ., ~ r;~~~~ ;;u,x ~ ~~~=;;.T .~ ~ I, ~' Meridian Planning & Zoning Commission Special Meeting March 30, 2006 j ~, Page 33 of 60 '; ~.' Sullivan: Not only is there no state money, there is not a lot of federal money eith~r. ~,~. (Inaudible discussion) F,,' . ~ ~ s Borup: Our state legislature wants the federal government out of our hair. The want the federal government telling the states (inaudible--). ' `` ` Siddoway: There are a lot of discussions going on for local opt in taxes, more in egard `'"' ~~ for ways to fund transit than for road, but there are many discussions ongoing or the ~.~u~;~ low dollars to the (inaudible--). ~;. z. =~_ r `~. 3" Borup: It would have to be voted on, right? Siddoway: Yeah, it would have to be voted on. (Inaudible discussion) Siddoway: It would give us the authority to at least ask our citizens. Zaremba: Let the locals decide if they want to pay for the improvements. Canning: I have no idea where we are on the agenda. I think we are - Zaremba: I think we are ending six and about to talk about seven. Nilsson: I have a husband and a child to pick up at the airport, so I have to leave. ~~, Siddoway: I imagine you would want to hear about (inaudible) and some other (things from Sue. Item 6: Discussion with Sue Sullivan from ITD about the status of ~H-16 alignment /studies and Highway 20/26 right-of-way preserviation, potential design and timing for road widening through Meridian Item 7: Update on ITD protects in the Meridian area, including the 1~H-16 alignment study by Sue Sullivan: ~, Sullivan: Okay, Highway 16, it looks like they did leave a little money in High ay 16 because of the GARVEE and I don't know that it will all be settled until that f t lady sings as the saying is, but there is enough to get that study rolling and if not a co plete NEPA document, pretty close to it. So, I anticipate and everything I say right no is - I don't know it is in this - Siddoway: Contingent on the GARVEE being finalized. f~ .,~- q~ M V- ry~r S l .;. ~~~YyT,~r~ ~~ T-~~ ~T ~ ~T' '~'~ C~ r^ ti,. S ~~~ ~~Y f /~}:~ a >i ~. ~, 1 F'e'y ,,,;.r x~ ~q, ~ ~~ ( ~ ~' ~,.~ ~ ~ ~a r~ :. t t, y~. ~ ~ ~~ Yly , ' ~~ N~' ~, M. sy yea} iV~L~~ {..~~ ~ 4 ]T[j y~ L ~. 1 r F~ 1~;~ ,;_ ~ ,. xlr j f' ,M. ~r M ~ F t ~ . rM f ~L nHH td' t 4 ,.~, ~ ~ .~. . y, njL', 7 P ~J t'1 ~ ~, 'I~LIY t ~ ~ ~ tC'' ~-~ ~ S TK „ ~ M S~1 , r. ~ .~ __ ~ 1 ~ 4;{ 1`' Meridian Planning & Zoning Commission Special Meeting ~ 'i March 30, 2006 ', Page 34 of 60 i "' Sullivan: Yeah. I think that there is a good chance that the study will start ~y fall, maybe sooner. I think as soon as the dollars are settled it will start going. District Three has asked to have some property owner meetings because we need t~ start k~`~` letting people know what is happening. It has been a little hard because we don' know what is happening. I think we at least need to go out there and say here are some `-" things we know, here is what we don't know and here is when we will know it a d give them at least a rough idea of what they are looking at. So, right now if this NEPA document was completed in five years, you would have a corridor defined. i (Speaker unknown): It takes five years for a --? I, rtt ~} Sullivan: Well, we are actually much faster than the national average here in Idaho - i ~`~'~; i Rohm: At what? 3. ~; ~: ~~ tK4.~~ ~~ ~~:_; ~,:~ ~~ ::., i ,Y'1.... '~~~ Y t ~ 4 Sullivan: -- at getting it through the environmental process. I would say it woul ~ be a three year process anyway. But, I don't know. There has been talk about using streamlining, they always throw that word around like it is - I think people w'~I rking harder or faster. ~ i Borup: That stuff is going from where? From 84 to --? Sullivan: All the way up north to Emmett. Borup: That is what the study will --? Sullivan: Yeah, but I think we look at it in the two segments. They are pretty di Brent. So, north to 44 or even north to really to Eagle, the urban segment and then th rural segment is there. i Canning: So, it would be three years for the southern portion? Sullivan: Yeah, I think they - I mean there will be stages to this where maybe y~ u will start getting a pretty good idea of where it is going to go, but to get through the whole EIS, you have to go through the process. ', Canning: I just worry because I think sewer is going to be available probably around that time and we can only hold them off for a while. Borup: (Inaudible--) big part of the discussion, you know back was McDermott and Highway 16 and why do we need a one mile corridor? (Inaudible). Sullivan: I think we could and this is just my opinion - (Inaudible discussion) S S• Y }fin: ~.~ ~~~ .. i~ r ti. ~ ti ~r Y", y r r_~4k .? r ~i Vf ~' '=q, t ~'' ~~ ;a ,~ ~, ~. - ~s. ,,, ~~~ .-r i ~ t d.1S'z. t 2 f y R •~ f ~ { i Kr • ~ ~: j ~ ; ~ q~: r. ~ ~~yy yy ' ~ 1}E z~y n-~ 4Y 'IDpl ~ ~~ ~~ Y 4 :~ W t~Y? ._.. .. l .. ... ''S'.v.~.. ,y ~~. 1G Fhg F ~ ~ 4 ~. C} .: s~ T Y ~ ~ ~ F} ~ o ~~~ 'Si ' ; {~ ~.x~~k ~, , rte Ix ~ ~~ ~~, irk f~` ~ r ~~ S ~ ( 1+ . ~'S ~:~ ~ y--'sx~ ~x ~ gaa3 ~ z ~. i a ~1.~~v ~ .,~ t f4~~"FS"-, : iy.~~. ..,~ r.! 1 I~ A~ 1 7 ~ ~ G.~~y 't iii ~ "srrc' i I `^ ~ ~ r,. Meridian Planning & Zoning Commission Special Meeting ~: March 30, 2006 m_.. Page 35 of 60 f.,:; ;' .__ ~~.. ~: ~~ i:~~ ~.~. L.. n ~'% ~~; ~~ ~=;1: ~~~, .,~ ~~ M ,, . ~,- ' ~: ~•~~ . ;~~ L. . ; ~~ ;i Zaremba: Well and Steve may have given you some of this background, but wf~en the last North Meridian Comprehensive (inaudible) change came before the city, bef re the Commission to make our recommendation to City Council, it had a very strong a ement of corridor preservation, not essentially along with McDermott, but understandi g that we don't know exactly where it is originally written to preserve like a half mile on either side of McDermott. It was a very emotional public hearing. The (inaudible) of it was and what I think the Commission recommended to the City Council is that w very quickly get together, property owners and ITD and us and get their inpu in a cooperative discussion about where do we want to steer where this corridor sho Id be, so that we aren't taking a whole mile wide swap and making everybody on pi s and needles until we hit the helmet on sensitivity. But, I think the homeowners ~ and I expected that activity to be starting about now and in the study process, stage thr~e, the first public discussions should be happening pretty soon. Siddoway: That was on 20-26, though. Zaremba: Well, it was on the intersection of 20-26, but the discussion was McDermott. Borup: The discussion based on the stakeholders -well, most of them haves been waiting for three to five years just on if they are acceptable, when it seems logical that it should be just right down McDermott anyway. (Inaudible--) you can plan f r the (inaudible) or whatever needs to be and design around it. i Zaremba: The difficulty I have had is the way that we forward it. In order not to hold the whole Comprehensive Plan changed up, the Commission recommended taking that section out and the difficulty is that we need to be doing something. It is like I was saying, we would be hearing the curb on Eagle and maybe in the right place or Tightly behind on 20-26, and we need to be way ahead on 16. ', Sullivan: Yeah, I agree with you. Zaremba: And that stakeholders meeting needs to be happening about no~ and (inaudible) six months ago that we were (inaudible) public hearings. Canning: Well, the Council just adopted it last month and it took us a while Igo get through the past plan. Zaremba: Well and with all the studying and it is my feeling that we need to be at study stage three, but first public meeting involving us and you and (inaudible--). ~, Sullivan: I agree with you. Part of my challenge has been that the project hasn't been funded and so that has been a part of the problem and then the managing of it is being done by somebody else, a consultant program manager, not that this is a problerin, but they haven't been in the mix yet. They haven't been on contract yet and so them have been three big projects - 4 ~~ t ~ ,~ x"~ :y "`~ky~~ ~ ~ S ' ~^ r ~x• ` ~ i• 4 i ~~ f'r , ~ k~ s ~ cs ur P~{ .c ~~ d 7 r_ ~~ 4 ~ ~,, r, k ~~ ~; ~ K+ ~ .' t ; 3 ~7a~1 ~; ~ ~, ~:,~a ~ :.:4 t . ;~ ., `n,~ i ..L r _ ~ 4 j .S ~. 3 , N ~~ S'~ F } <r i ~ ~, i t v"' t; ~`~~~ ?-1;? nt ~ Q- ',~'<sL xr~ Y.~ ~ rF t } r't ~r~. ~ ~: 1. 1 - }`: f r E i ',r r ! '. ~E_ e c ' 3 _ '. . 1 :. ;,*~ ~% ~ ~. .~ Meridian Planning & Zoning Commission Special Meeting ~°" ' . March 30, 2006 ~' ~' ~ ~` r Page 37 of 60 ,. Zaremba: Just because it is old, not because it is on the national register. '{' tr.;:,: Sullivan: Well and there is more to it than that, but that is the threshold to start I oking ~ at and then I took all the residences and kind of highlighted all of those and wh n you do that you can see a little bit of you know, the corridor starts to -probably not g ing to ~'~ go right here because you can just look at all the dots and all the houses you t ke out and that is what I think could happen early is a more refined - I mean it is si filar to what we do when we sit down and drag out our maps and we just put the dots there - a ' ~ very more refined version of looking at what the constraints are. I almost thought it ~~ would go west of McDermott, looking at that -that was at a very cursory lance ~~~~~-~: because there is more development on the east side. ~ _ ~~: r Borup: That is through Meridian? From the freeway to Chinden? Sullivan. Yeah and there is advantages to not building it right down McDermott, ~o that ~~- ~ ~~:~ will be something that will have to be weighed too to be offsetting it from McDer ott, so r ~ SY that maybe these houses that there on McDermott could be salvaged if Mc D ermott operates as a frontage road and it goes you know back behind it , , . Borup: (Inaudible--) if they are sitting on an 88 acre piece of property, th~y are '~ ~~ (inaudible--). I ` (Inaudible discussion) .' Sullivan: Well, I think we need to have something, but we just really haven't h~d the ~:,_z;.; resources to start doing that process and now one of your planners is on the GA~RVEE ' team and I am sure we will jump right in on that. II ~; $'=~. ' I Zaremba: We could hope. ! ~ ;~ :, Canning: (Inaudible--) for those of you that haven't met Matt. This is our ne lone ranger Comprehensive Plan associate and his name is Matt Ellsworth and he ha been ~; , ~,, , working how long now? Ellsworth: (Inaudible--). ~. ~. ~'a~ 5 :~ ~: ge.;•i~ ~`-kikf 1 F' ~ ~' FF' ~;. ~~e-~ I~ ~°,~n ~: Canning: He and Steve have just been cranking out (inaudible--) and they will share with you all those things. You will notice that Josh and Joe are not here. Josh ook a position with the City of Boise with the Design Review and will start April 21St ar~d Joe took a position with CH2M Hill and on the GARVEE stuff and he will (inaudibl~) until April 28t" or something like that. We have got another position funded and a~hother Associate City Planner position so right now I have three openings. Rohm: I don't remember them asking permission. f~~~. ~5 1~ y~ y ~~+ ~ tir 5. ~~~ ~ ,,r ,:` ~"~ fi~ ~; ~ 1 N > v ; ~< ~~ ~ - a r ~~+ ~d ~~r ~;~: x ~~ tF `'~' ;;ate ..@~' NL - x L ~ ~ r t `~,ry~ ty ~- ~ L i `~ i .. ~ '_ ~ ~ ' . r ~ ~ _ 4- T ~ ~'~ r. ~~ rtP ~~ fi ~ 2~ _ - {4AM5~-.. i p{. i f ^ a:r ~ ~ t ~ _ ~ ~ ti ` ~ t ~F ~ 3 "• ST"~ 4 1~'ib~_ ~' ~ ~~, ~; ~ 1 ~ ? .}~ !w e ~ l~a ; ~~ ~~.. , ( ~ . K {:~:z i:` ~;,, ~t~ ;; _z . ~ ,, zr` ~~ f'+ ~~ Meridian Planning & Zoning Commission Special Meeting March 30, 2006 ~, Page 38 of 60 i Zaremba: So, Caleb is doing all of the - Canning: Bless his heart, Caleb has not quit this week. Zaremba: We appreciate you. Canning: You will see light agendas in May. You will have to make up for it irk June. June may be horrific for you all, but we are just going to have to make them light ~n May so that we can through it. We are going to strategize on Monday on how ~ve get through May. Zaremba: It may not be my place to offer, but we do want to start looking at ~'~a third meeting in June. i Canning: It is probably -now would be the time because we may get some -I Comp Plan amendments are due in June and we may get some huge applications, ~athom ably huge. (Inaudible discussion) Canning: So, a third meeting in June would be very wise. If you wanted to try and start scheduling it now that would be good. Actually, the Comp Plan amendments - tf~e stuff that is (inaudible--) to you in August. Newton-Huckabay: So, I guess I missed that. Josh and Joe are both gone? Canning: In April. j Hood: They are going to stay on through April (inaudible--) San Antonio ~~at the (inaudible) conference, so luckily Anna will also be at that meeting and both Jo$h and Joe at least plan to be here through that. ~, Canning: They are physically in the office. Zaremba: But short timers. !, i Canning: They are at least physically in the office for a while. I~I, Zaremba: Giving all the developers everything they want. ~~~ Canning: We had some really good phone interviews with some master's candidates that are looking to move to the area. So, that is exciting, none of them had any experience, so it could be training talent. j (Inaudible discussion) ~ 1`. ~,.` f ~ . k ~ ~ ~ ~, YF. ij ~ ,.r d., i M1t .l,'• ~n ry;'. _ . c t ~ ,. '+r ~"'~ ~t +~^l ~ t + ~ v ~ . .. FMk~ ~ ^~~ , ~ 6 'r n} ?ty. ~ ~ ~i i t`ti . .. .: S• _ :. i`;+:: i ~,~ is -si y ~ ~ +~ t ~' if ; s gy~?1~7-. T ~, FI t iirM' ~5 i t ~ uGe a ~ ~,.o- ~ t; N~^dq. ~~~F ~ r ~.= ~ ~~ ~~ } d :~ ~ ~ '~' Y ~ ~~. ~ - -- :~~J r.: ~ ~«, r ",~:. x,: ~ ~"~r kc ri~`~ `~ ~:~, ~ ~-s v tn~ , a:' rr ~ .:,i3`w ti._ ` Meridian Planning & Zoning Commission Special Meeting • March 30, 2006 r- . , -. r Page 39 of 60 `~ -;? Zaremba: Well, you can mold them they way you want. ~` 4 ~h' Rohm: I guess Caleb could just work 24 -7. Canning: Caleb was wishing he got paid overtime at this point. II ., ~ ~s . i '~ ' w : (Inaudible discussion) ~_ Canning: I talked to Diane about helping out in May, so we may see her at some ~oint. r' e.~~},k Zaremba: Kushlan? ~, ~~ ~'~ Canning: Yeah. We will make it through. Somehow it will all work and somehpw we will maintain our sanity. Newton-Huckabay: And maybe this isn't a very politically correct question to a k, but : why are people leaving? I mean, more people have left - ~: ~'~~, Canning: I would like to think it is not because they hate me and I am a horribl~ boss. ~~ No, it is pay. Both of them are leaving for -they are both getting about a 30 percent f' increase in pay. Zaremba: Sue it looks like you both are preparing to leave right now. Have we~ asked °~ ~' all of the Highway 16 questions we were going to ask? f ,:; ;: Sullivan: I think you can expect to see something coming out pretty shortly here. I, i t.~ ~~ '' Zaremba: Well, I just got the feeling that the people that live along McDerm ~. tt are ~j "~~' looking for a meeting very soon. Even if it is totally (inaudible--). (Inaudible discussion) ~, ~~ " Sullivan: Yeah, they are draft. I am kind of - we do have the draft talking points nd we y,,T will finish them, wrap them up and getting the mailing list together for all the ~ wners . there. That is in progress now, you know, pulling together everybody that lives ~ ~n that ~; ~~~, ; swab and start pulling a meeting together. We will have one meeting for you kno~' w I-84 to 44 and then one Ada, Gem Counties and that will be our first step. Then CH2M Hill, believe is going to be the lead on Highway 16 piece of the GARVEE (inaudibl ~) and they are going to act like another district. I mean, they will have that level of (ina dible) I don't know to use the word authority (inaudible). It will be like district and will ha~ e that same decision making structure. It won't be (inaudible). Thank you. `~~ ~, ~;~: Newton-Huckabay: I didn't get my question answered. Zaremba: I am sorry I didn't mean to cut you off, but I didn't want to lose Sue. t u( h,f+~^° ~'~~K Pt '. :1 6a ~ ^~J. t `yA ~. ~ ~ ~, / '~ ~,~`, { ' ~r . . R ~ -~ w, a~ { t .<. Y`; { j ^7-] " i y `~ .; ~1 ~~~~~~~ ~ ~t ~.5 '~ . <Ib ~ k ~~~ '~ x a `~4 {~ F 1 ~;} 1y {;' ~ . 1~ _ ~' ~ ~'!.' '.t. a; 1, x ",~, ~,~, o ~ i?+ . wy 43.1 ~} h;.. k•Y' :5'.'_:. ~ n ;~'~ ' 'i ~: a ,~: p ~,;. ~~~ ~~:. ~''',; ~;:.:' ,~ ; ~ , ' t . `~ ~:a 1 Rte;. ~., ~, ~: t`, Meridian Planning & Zoning Commission Special Meeting March 30, 2006 Page 40 of 60 Canning: We are looking into it. Rohm: Yeah, the question being where are we going to get the money to hai~e two people on board (inaudible--)? Newton-Huckabay: That is pretty critical, in my opinion it is pretty critical that the city has lost as many people in Planning and Zoning in the three years that I have been on the Commission - ~ Rohm: Maybe that is the key. Borup: We were doing good until you came, Wendy. Canning: We are the first two that we really have lost due to money. The othe were not necessarily about the money, but these two definitely were and to have them go at the same time and leaving for such huge increases - it is kind of I price of land. The price of planners went way up and they aren't confined rigf• They are hard to find and so people are upping their wages. ones oth of ;e the now. Zaremba: Well the other difficulty that we have is that I know there is so much pr~ssure on you, on Caleb and Steve and the whole staff, everybody that is here or isn't helve and again, I have mentioned this, but I relate to the one staff report from Boise that I Dead a year or so ago that had ten people work on it and each different person to k one paragraph and that was their responsibility. If we expect our people to know the whole Comprehensive Plan, the whole ordinance and be able to, you know, solve II the ACHD (inaudible) and solve all of the problems by one person with the develop rand that plus not paying them quite enough is quite a burden. I mean, it would be att active to me to move to Boise for the same thing. Canning: Yeah, right. They are going to more pay and easier workload. Zaremba: We appreciate those that are loyal, but sometimes we have to pay therj-i. Canning: And I did get another position funded, just for that reason. I said liste~,n, you know, we can't cut it. We have got more applications coming through and we d~ have the applications that are done in the entire county, the half of the plat lots comet rough us and I have got a fraction of staff that we normally -you have Ada County, arden City, Kuna, Boise, Star and there is 6,000 lots and 3,000 of them are (inaudible). l Newton-Huckabay: I guess for me that it indicates to me that is crisis mode a d the quality of work then, which is going to generate over time and I think that - I just ant to be certain that the City Council and the Mayor feel that way as well. I mean, hat is putting more burden on people like me, who I am not an expert and never claime to be an expert and what it is you guys are educated to do and you know I view it mor as a gate keeper role and I don't like the idea of you know -Caleb has had four h urs of sleep in a week and he is writing staff reports and that is my - JC W.' . ! 'F ~ t G ~~ A `r ~ ~~ ~Y' l ~ Y l C ^ ~~ ~~ }} ~~~~ .,~ ~"i ~' ter- ~ ` ~ ~? ~$ i ~ + , ~f ,,, a ~y "" ~ ~ , ~~, ~K r"'; gym? ~ 1 4 ..~~.. ~ z': b 1~ ii~55 ~ t y~} G ~, ~1 } ~ 3Y ~ G 9 , v 1 "~ _, _ , ~,. F~ ~ S 4 NY ~f` :~ F `~^ ~ ~`~ K 4 t ~ hp~ 4 ,~ ~vrv(.~.'_ IFY~'l}1+' ~ y. 2p~~ ~ ~ ~1^C .F' :TyU~ ~ ~.'- i t'- n +, f. c }~ ~, - ~ ~'. "' k' ~ ~' ~~ . ;; y Meridian Planning & Zoning Commissl'rsn Special Meeting March 30, 2006 ~~ ~ s Page 41 of 60 ~_' ~;:a` Canning: We will figure it out to make sure that we make it through some ho ~ . We `'~ '" may just cut way back on the agendas. The Mayor understands that we will be i crisis ~~5~{ `° mode and she will support us. She told me to go ahead and hire subcontraq help. ~~ ' ° Diane is perfect. She has got a huge background. She knows how to do this stiff and +'~, she knows our code. She said she should start - so either she said she could help after the first week in May, so there is an opportunity there. We will figure it out. ~; (Inaudible discussion) ~4 Canning: I know and I have to warn Council next week that they will probabl start getting a few phone calls, but ou know eo le will 'ust have to be atient for a m '~ nth or Y p p 1 p Q i~3 -:' Hood: That is what I am finding already is that I just am not going to be able to si down ~`4 with people that are concerned because I don't have time to sit down for an ho rand 4 talk with every neighbor. I don't. Before I could talk with them on the phone an~ now am not going to even be able to answer the phone. I am just going to be writi g and ''"~'~~ trying to do the coordination, but I am going to apologize right now for any thing that may miss and I am still going to try and keep the quality high, but I have got to kick them ~`~ ~~ out quicker. Canning: If you see things that just don't make sense, like something happened. Let us "`{ " know because something probably did happen. ~. ' Zaremba: I have a suggestion. Instead of writing and long thorough staff report just one a e with bi letters on it, either es or no. I am sor p g g y ry, you lose. Hearing is dosed. ~;: ~~.. ,. `~```~'~ (Inaudible discussion) ~' Newton-Huckabay: BSU and whatnot, they don't actually have a degree? I men, do they - .~, Canning: They have a certification ro ram, but the are workin on a BSU r ram p 9 Y 9 P 9 ~~ and the enhancement that I am going to put in for this year is for an intern posit on for one of those BSU students just to help half time and that will be a big help, but I ill feel ',.~ better (inaudible--). I, - i (Inaudible discussion) 'I '`,' Canning: They are working on a certificate program right now, but they want to delve ~~~~~ into a master's degree. i Newton-Huckabay: So you are going to have interns then over the summer? Canning: I am going to see if I have enough costs salary savings from the a lost positions, usually there is some costs savings there. If I have got enough for an intern ,3, ~iY,r { ~; tl~ ~Ii t ~'j iy~i; ~.TE: k-~ ~ wt •4 s~:.,, .. ~.- r # -.~I,-. ar •c, ~ `r f Y'~'-.: i<S ';il~ '~" '}fir ~~}'4bi 1. A _' ~ l r w r k+ ~ ~~. f t iJ ." + ~b~n ; ~~r I ~~ '1 ~ ~C} r~~~ L P Y ~.{ ~ , a ~ y{~i .!q`i ~ , ~~A~ ..~~Y 111y, .i ,f{ ,1 ,_ - `: ~'_ : ~X~ d` P~ ; Y]' i~.~. ~F ~ ~ } . ~F t F i4 l..nWi. s Y} '~`r ~ °~ r ~ r.~ ~g~i~x r~ a+ ~ .~y .Y~ T c ~ I~ ~~ . ~ ~:~~~ ,~''-~rrT r4-P'.. e =r 4 't ~ n ~~ ~ r k ~, ~.~.y ;; . ati~. r ~ x i S ~ , s; } k p!.i. , F i.~.S . t. ~~ _'r ~;. ~, ~ "~ `~=~~~~. Y' r- ~: ~: ~,Y..,, ~x '- ~- :,. ~~ ~. { ,, '~; ,. ~~.;~~ ~" ;. ~ ~~ ', ~~c~ ~, J4 C~ E ~~. r~lr `~ 'S~{f R a~ETy r ', P`~~! 7 ~. ~~~qq i' ,,.. ;; ;[ ~!`-did .r 11 i Y ~;~; ~r s -~:y r~r ~r7 ~~ '~' `. Meridian Planning & Zoning Commisslsn Special Meeting March 30, 2006 Page 42 of 60 I~ this summer, I will get one; otherwise I am going to ask in the enhancement. lut, we were without Brad for a long time and it is taking us a while to fill this new positio~. So, there is some costs salary savings - (Inaudible discussion) Canning: Actually, we have pretty on track on overtime so far. I budget for o~kertime and I think there has been (inaudible--). ', Borup: I don't want to speak for staff, but I don't think most people don't mind overtime so much if you get paid for it. If you are not getting paid for it - Canning: Well, unfortunately Matt is the only one that gets overtime. '~, i Moe: That is why he has got the smile. (Inaudible discussion) ~I, Canning: The issue was raised as a -the Human Resources Director asked me about that (inaudible-). (Inaudible discussion) Canning: I think Caleb took it better than I did last weekend. I, Rohm: Mr. Siddoway, you are on. 'I Item 8: Update "Studies that are in the Process" by Steve Siddowa~ and Matt Ellsworth: Siddoway: The Comprehensive Planning site is busy as well. In addition o the transportation elements which kind of flavor - or tonight with ITD have many things going with ACHD plus a number of studies going on from south Meridian to Te Mile interchange to many others. I have asked Matt and he is going to get his first cha' ce to speak to the Commission tonight and he has put together some elements to go~along with you and we will just open the discussion. '~ Ellsworth: Thanks, Steve. Several of the things that we have tried to get the ball on since I came on board -the first one I am sure you are very familiar with is the Meridian Area Plan, of course the three-way partnership between the two cities a (inaudible) the county fell through. The direction that we are going to take that it now is we proceeded with consultant services to go forward with the first public m here in two weeks. It is scheduled for Wednesday, April 12~' at 6:00 do (inaudible). So, we are set to send the mailings out on that and we are fin everything as we speak. The basic substance of that meeting is going to come di identity issues from the residents, find out who they identify with most between tl Iling id the as of ;eting vn at ilizing wn to e two r ~.x t r+a! x ti ~, ~~ ~ n ~~~~' ~: ~ ~~ r. a ~ +~ s ns ~ ~, .~ z; i „ r 3 r'~ C r ~ ;i~I~a"jati'~ c ~F ,w. ~, i~~ ~ ~ "~' -r:, ~ y,. ..~7^". .. ai .>>~~ st F ' 'f` ~ ~~~.Ii+ u ~:~ Y .1 ,; ~~ H i'~}i ' xcsA - cs`ti4 ~ ~ '~r,l ~ .~ , a g x t~, a~ '' is ~, r -. ~, % tt ._. .~ _j ~wr'~h' ~: j~ ~: ~. ~~;, ~. :'; ~,` r~ ! ~. ~~~.~~ ~~ ~r ,.~ :~> ~~ s.„ `~~~:~ ^'''k ~~'~~9 ~,, r ~. ~'~ F ~ y.. ,~~t i.> Meridian Planning & Zoning Commis~Tbn Special Meeting • March 30, 2006 ~~ Page 43 of 60 cities or (inaudible--) assuming they are going to (inaudible) the idea of staying v~ithin a county for the time being. Based on the (inaudible) on that, we are going to tukn that over to use as one of the factors to consider and where - as much as they throw but the term, where the lines will be drawn or what makes sense to them to plan the growth for it. ~i Borup: (Inaudible) the county is not one of the options that they are going to have to choose. Ellsworth: It is an option I think we are going to open up to them for this initial rr~eeting here. Borup: Why are you giving them that choice? I mean, eventually they are g ~ ing to have to go one way or the other - (Speaker unknown): You are talking about the hearing in Kuna? Ellsworth: Yes. Canning: And there is some possibility of some - if the county were to f~ave a transferred development rights, would that be an appropriate so that there was some break in between the two cities. That is kind of the idea. If the folks there are t inking about that then that may be the way to go. I think a lot of folks, people actually ill - I think they are looking at -the developers are knocking on their door (inaudible--). ~, Borup: That is why I wondered. If they do have that area (inaudible--) and servic~s - I (Inaudible discussion) i, Canning: If there was some TDR, yeah. Ellsworth: One city to the other and then (inaudible) we are just trying to keep it o~~en to any posslbillty i Borup: Well, that could work, but then you stick to it. Twenty years from now wf~en all the people that didn't want anybody around or gone - Canning: That is why I said you would have to have a TDR program because that is a permanent transfer. That land stays that way after that. '~ Zaremba: The two things that come to mind. One is kind of where the zip code ~utline is and the Post Office is the final answer, but to assume that they related to wh~t their zip code is (inaudible--). '~, Canning: Yeah, it goes almost - n .r 4. tb : r ~ z ~ ~ ~~'„ ~," ~~.; .~ .., ~~ i F VI KM1 ~~^S ' Yl it le..{ ~. 'i=rk s:r~. . " L:s~' vt ', ~ " _ r. iL ~... ~ r °! i +~ ', r jam... ~ a~~~ 1z ti ' ~ ~~ ~: Y 2 ~e ~ r ti^i,(~! 5f ,J ~ a i .r 4'.i ~ 'Y~Y~= ~ _ ~',~a ';~;" ,~ ~e z ~~ ~i'f.rt-Y{1~ 3 r4n ,~y~~¢~- ,~ l~ ~ ~~ 7 '' fn's `~ < ' i4 ~. > J 1 ;j ~J:~ ~~ C-~ ~~ `~~' ~ ~ ,_~ , r~,: . _~ =::.r, K-., )i '.: .; ._'~. ~? ~, , ~: is -. y 'z ~~ 3 -„ -, i ~,,~, ~; Meridian Planning & Zoning Commis3'16n Special Meeting March 30, 2006 Page 44 of 60 (Tape turned over) Canning: Yeah, part of the area that naturally assumed to be Meridian, actuall~r have that Nampa address. Zaremba: Well, just to give a little discussion on preserving open space in be een - many years ago I lived in Camarillo, California just in Ventura County betwe n Los Angeles and Santa Monica, the three major cities Camarillo that I lived in and ~ xnard and Ventura all got together and along with the landowners and everything, all ~ greed that they would establish a line between them and then two miles either side f that would be what they called the greenbelt, which means something different her But, that would be a green area that would not be developed and the landowne s and everybody agreed to it. It worked great and everyone was happy with it and development started to happen. The difficulty was most of the land was either I mons or tomatoes or something like that, farming and the same things that are going o here. There is a critical mass in which there were so few acres in lemons that the lemo co-op went out of business. Then they had their truck (inaudible--) and the tomato co-o went out of business, so they had their truck open San Bernardino or something (ina dible). It would be the same thing as (inaudible) if you would get below critical mass in sugar beets and the plant in Nampa has to close and then truck them to Twin Falls. S ,then the difficulty was it was in the rules that they couldn't develop it, no longer was fa~mable and the (inaudible) which is my little word, they eventually just rescinded the rubs and said develop it. I don't know how you would say (inaudible). Siddoway: One of the things that is pushing the urgency on this particular plan is that Kuna has a very large annexation in front of their Planning and Zoning Commissi n this week and it goes all the way up to Lake Hazel. There is a lot of concern, false information, rumors, etc., going on about what can and can't be done out of that ~rea by Meridian or Kuna in terms of service ability and other things. So, we are worki ig very hard right now to get this public meeting together in the next two weeks tot and answer some of those questions and deal with some of those identity issues or the residents that live down there. Ellsworth: So, that is work in progress, like I said scheduled for April 12th and I ~m just trying to get the word out right now, so we will keep you posted as the rest o~those details come together. Moving along here, another plan are in some of the work . We haven't released the RFP for this. It is one hanging out there and this is for the Tin Mile interchange and I know Trish and Sue briefly hit on it, but one of the major aims or this one was to sort of learn from the mistakes of the past or at least some of the pr blems that have emerged in the past. This one is going to take a very, very close look t land use and transportation issues and factor in the idea of the interchange and ultima a goal is to hold onto that corridor and make sure that is able to function and the way t at it is intended to and make sure that the folks that live in that area and the folks that Iready own land in that area and just make sure that everybody is on the same page fr m day one. I had another conversation today with representatives and I (ina dible) landowners in that area just to run the RFP by hand just to make sure that we aven't ~*x~~~~ n~ `~ R. ~; y1r i. ~ .f` P : ~ 2~'i~ic Y`~e~. ' •3d 1. 4 5 .~-~ F~~~ 4 ~~i i ~ ~h y (~ ~ t ~ . ;- ~~.~ ~ ~ 3v y v 1~3 } ~ ~ ~ . ~ . ~ } V4 r ~ ~ ~, r ., d y :. ~` ~ * ~ ~ N ~ `a1'fi~'h' ` ' ~ .~4v' .. 4 ~ ~ S' + ~+~. ,r ~ ,1 ~. ~ L ~ ~~~!" ~'' ~ li ~~f G ti„ .,. nr. 1?°i ~, ~3. ~i t .._ ~ ~. {', ~. ~+~ ,h' J ., ; ... ~Y9'Fr , x ~ , i,; r~ ~I x ,1 rl r < a r ~ ~ j- ~ 3't . • ~' ' i~.. s . *~ Meridian Planning & Zoning Commis3RSn Special Meeting ~ 'i March 30, 2006 Page 45 of 60 missed anything (inaudible). So, we have had several of those conversations so filar and ~ everybody thinks it is going in a good direction. So, we are set to release that pr bably " , early to mid-next week if I have to guess. We will try and get those mailings out. I, Siddoway: The Ten Mile Interchange Specific Area Plan. Our vision of it has foul major ~°_=,~ components, land use, plan, transportation plan, a market research analysis an some t_. design guidelines. One the land use side, if you look at the Comprehensive Plan today, ~' :~` much of the land around it is just that mixed use regional designation, w ich is ''~~ intentionally very flexible, but we feel like we need some better definition on what we expect to have there and how it transitions from the existing adjacent uses and o land ~` '" use, looking at a finer grain of land uses that a big blob of mixed use region I that ~''1~''~ means anything could happen will be a major part of it. Hand to hand with tha is the transportation plan as we saw on that one interchange that was well planned tha came ~'~''' ~ down away from the interchange and had the parallel collector system and local roads `~ off of that. We want to do that planning up front. We know the interchange is aiming. If we can plan the collector road system now then we can get ahead of the Bevel 'pment ;; planning and set some of those elements and restrict the access particularly b tween ~- the freeway and Franklin and (inaudible) on Ten Mile to - I was thinking one, maybe ~f,,~ two, I don't know, but restrict the access in some fashion - ~ (Inaudible discussion) Y r_ r Siddoway: Yeah. So, we need to look at the access management along Ten Mil . We ,' , need to figure out how that, at least down the collector road system level in tha t area and then how that interfaces with the land uses that we are proposing. i s we determine what land use it should be, we need the market analysis and then w ~ want ~~ r -.,~ some basic design guidelines to go with that. It won't be as elaborate as what a are trying to do downtown, but still some design guidelines to try and raise the qu ~lity of ;; development as the Mayor is very much working toward right now. We are read ' to go ~..,` _ ti out with that RFP within a week. 'll ~x `. Ellsworth: The next one down is the industrial land stud and that is one that a Y Ctuall Y ~_~: ~ the direct mailings went out on that yesterday and that is actually probably going tl o feed ~ 7 in to an extent into the Ten Mile. What we are looking to do with the industri ~ land y study is take at look at the existing industrial land now. Some are of a broader ~ arket " ° ~ analysis that determine (inaudible) in the area for more -with what we already have, ~ ~~ ~'~ engage how appropriate it is and where the appropriate areas might a for n. r~~ t consideration -things of that nature. 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F ~ • .., ,o. . ..• •,n•.. _ , _ _ AM "' I. i , a I d R ! . t ' ! .:4 '~'y'`TlhfiN• ~~h-,e' • t 4 7a. ~ - tr'v 4~F'~t `n 1 ~} Ir ~ ~.•e ,x. a 'e°•X 17 _'$... J '~^' '~'yC ~ + ~ *~a t k~~ f n '6. ~ s'{t' s ` , i.: 1 ;I.x ;.Y(c. _;. n 1 < ! iii '1 i.'I~i .h.+n y.I~ R~4r. sw ~t~Yq; ir; ,°• a S I5: !a `? .~Y.• { . a< z'IL°R rr . ~~, ^"tf~ iab ~:.g.f~ a ,u:6=.~• ~. ~ `° ~,. ~:• ., ti ~ ~ 1 _ '. I I '~. ' ~.'.a.` ~ - i ~~ ~~ ~''y Meridian Planning & Zoning Commi~ Special Meeting ~,, ~ ~~ March 30, 2006 ~~ Page 46 of 60 '~ ~;;~; Siddoway: There is a concern to me that I may not have enough industrial lanai -the ~'' ' question is do we need more or not? The stuff that we have is it in the right pl~ce or not? ~I Canning: Do we need some under different ownership for the (inaudible)? . ? . k'~"'~~~ Borup: Yeah, that came out on the Eagle and Pine project. ~I ~; .., ;. ; ~: ~:..~ ~~9 .. '~ , . .. ;, ;. ~'~ '~1 -..: . ~a. .:, ~; ~: ~:; :; ~~ - ~::;: ~:~~'r ih 1 $~ ~I~ ~ t ~ { k ~}# yA G f a 5 ~~`~ ~~~ i ~~Cfi~ C ; Y L.',~ ,, ti ~`~ ~. id k -'; r ~•~ 1 c~ `~~ _~. G ~a~~ z', ~.. ;, 3§ dY 1 . ~-,'.: ~ ~r~ .~~~ ~~F~ ~. ti ~r ~~ ti ~+ -{ 4 '. iiy ''4 rJ e ~i~ *... ;~.$ b2!!LFi: Canning: Right. Exactly. That is when we started putting this in - Borup: That did seem like a good place for the industrial Canning: Although Van Auker called me two months after that was approved ar~d said say can we put an industrial use in there? So, it is one of those things that yo l don't have to believe every line that those developer reps tell you because it is -the tw~ hits I have on that property since the commercial designation - (Inaudible discussion) I, Borup: (Inaudible--) ~~ Canning: I have heard various rumors. One I have heard that they are trying to sell it in total. I heard that maybe some of the other developers buying a portion of it. (Inaudible discussion) ~~i Canning: I have a feeling you will get to see it again. Zaremba: Well, my comment would be to take a look at the area around the wastewater treatment plant because we keep denying almost everything that ~omes there and it would be a good industrial area. i Canning: And this are certainly allowed there. Siddoway: Yeah, those uses are allowed there and mixed use (inaudible) - i Canning: Right now the access isn't very enticing, but Highway 16 - !~ Borup: But we can't (inaudible--) that doesn't apply (inaudible--). li Canning: The last one we did. It was years ago - it was four or five years ago teat we turned (inaudible--). Borup: We didn't. City Council did. The Bus Barn and Sanitary Services. Zaremba: I wasn't in favor of (inaudible) am much happier where they are now. ~.,; ~l 1'r G ~~ fli~ti ~ tL'~: 1 p . 1 fi~~ 1 F.~'s ~~c:4 ~ S _~•h~x~ ~ +~ ~ ~r '4„ ~ ~~y r 'S~ ~ f ~, ~;~/ ~ `i { ~~ ~! Yy` ~t Nh 1^ A~ Y ~'» e.' ~i'- { Y ~ ~ `j jjf ~u ry~~~ ~~~$e ~ 'F-^ i~VJ ~ { { Y Y V3 ~f ~ FI'. ~fi,.. ~~ t'~ ~ ;"r r :t~,a t ~~ ~ `. " ~ ~ ~- ~ ~ . .,,. rq~ i -, . . k ' F' ,,., F ~f=~~.. :~. ~~=,E~< ~: z;~ ... ;~ `, :~~r 5 ~. f r~ (~~ t =' `. F~~` .., u~~: ~~. w ~, ~~. 3 '': ~k ~'~~ .. , S 7 ~~. Meridian Planning & Zoning Commis Special Meeting March 30, 2006 Page 47 of 60 Borup: Oh, yes. Some of it was a good area, just not right at that corner. Canning: Just kind of a market analysis more than anything else. Newton-Huckabay: Well, just food for thought we don't need anymore 30,000 foot or (inaudible) office space out there. How big is that building? Canning: Jabil? Newton-Huckabay: Yeah, Jabil. The office is just 30,000 square feet. Canning: 200,000 or 250,000 or something like that. Moe: I think that would be a good place for the city, City Hall. Zaremba: Yeah, except they want to be downtown. Moe: Well, extend downtown. Newton-Huckabay: I think that would be a good place for a business (inaudible). uare (Inaudible discussion) Moe: What is in that building is (inaudible). ', ~I Canning: (Inaudible--) industrial. It is relatively - Moe: I was very surprised and we heard, you know, with the Vacation easemenl~s and everything else on that property because they were going to go forward and their were also going to go -they were discussing a (inaudible) be put up on a shelf right ndw and that all kind of fell out. Canning: I suspect RSCI just didn't have the financial wherewithal to (inaudible). I 4 (Inaudible discussion) Borup: That was my question, why didn't the city decide to do this two years ago ~efore he bought it and then (inaudible--). it (Inaudible discussion) '~~ Borup: There was discussion two years ago about doing it then. It was oh, lets wait and think about it. a t. n~ :~'Mg + :F~.r t:r y ~ y ~.ZI ~ ,I G~~~ t i ,~ ~~ h ~'. ~~ k ~ 'N t~ ~ <.> F - ,fb, s ~ ~ . ~ .Fax,' +it'~~ ~° ~ ~ ~ ~y~'`; ^T Y~'~'~G r r'•~ .: z ,- a.~, ~~ ,r H dCY ~#. a a l Ji,y ~y ~ 1; ~~ ty~ AG I) ~ A ., F -x, ~-' ,~~ r. r r ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~; ~ , 3x ~~ ~ e Y ~ ~ a r. ~'~ r . !.. :,,, r ~ ~ ~~~ ~~ w ~:i . ~, i ~ _: „~,. f.t k.. ~~`~ _.1'. ;: -i ~- ', i ,i r~ ..„j 3 ,. F ~~:,;., F ,. a ~` ~, ~:-; ~: .~ ~. ~~: ,'.4}~I ~I. *`4 _. ,; . _]~ rj .R~i 7j 'I ~I ' `.I Meridian Planning & Zoning Commis~Special Meeting March 30, 2006 Page 48 of 60 I Canning: No, they had (inaudible) actively pursuing another site for two yeas and (inaudible) came up. So, that is why. The Shell Station is going forward. Their have been talking about plans and - (Inaudible discussion) Moe: Is the city going to provide (inaudible) - no parking there? Canning: No, what they did is they did an "L" shape right along the corner w~th the building and then they are talking about parking back in behind it underneath. ~ I (Inaudible discussion) Moe: I guess that would probably be my biggest complaint is if these develo ments come, we went through the process and one of the biggest headaches and the whole discussion that we had was where was everybody going to park and whatnot a d well they could park in the city lot there and gee it is beautiful. Now that we want too it, it goes forward and there is a redesign and we don't have a clue what has been do e. Canning: Well, that is because it is (inaudible). Moe: Okay, thank you. Siddoway: Okay, do you want to hear about districting? Ellsworth: Okay, districting, the suggestion of the Mayor from what I am told a coWple of years ago -anyway the notion that was put out (inaudible) looking into a medical district of sorts would make some sense. That sort of inspired some staff level research and what other communities have done for districts. Medical districts in particular, we weren't able to track anything down. What we are in the process of doing show is basically brainstorming to determine appropriate scope of work for somebody to et into this process to determine what is there, what do these folks need, what in oming businesses or perspective incoming businesses looking for in the area and how fan we get them there? And other questions, just a few (inaudible) of that nature are co mg up as well. At the moment we are sort of, like I said, we just have our feelers out rig t now. We are doing research. We are speaking to people in the area. I think a lot lof this probably will come from stakeholder meetings with folks over in that area to det rmine what they are looking for before they actually formally go through and write a cope. That is another one that has had (inaudible--) all the tie ends to it. That is confus d as a marketing tool to bring in appropriate businesses, cross them together - Borup: Is anon-medical area? Ellsworth: It would be a district over on the eastern part of town. Borup: Around St. Luke's? ~~~ *`f '. ~`~x ~ ~~ 3 ~ f- ~;~ ~ ~? f ~= ',; ~:~, - ~ ,'„~ !~K 43s ~.. f ti- f y t i ~6t kl', y ' ~-. v.. ~/~~[ ~,i ~ y L `~ ?.f„r i.. fife, ?f 1 ;~i ~~ ~~ ~ ~~ ,~ ~ ~ .. , ~ .~ n p ~ 1j{ t ~µ t ; ~s~E 73~ t _ ' ai . A A ~ ~ / r _. M ~ ' ~ Y,, t Q T, ~i' y~ ro ~ • ' ,~ ~~iC 'f.f'~ y. ~ fi3 '. N.t ii . ~ r wy ~ ~~ ~'~ ~~ ' r e~; j;~rN Meridian Planning & Zoning Commis'~6n Special Meeting March 30, 2006 Page 49 of 60 Canning: No. (Inaudible). Siddoway: Well, it would include area of (inaudible--). Canning: Yeah, but it would mostly be focused - ~~~`~"~`- (Inaudible discussion) ~ ~,. ~_- Canning: I think this one we may end up doing a lot of it in house, but maybe ~ ardon the economic development portion out since we don't really have that in house expertise, but we may be (inaudible--). ~Y=~!} (Inaudible discussion) ~ ., ~ Canning: That is the only one we can find right now. The Mayor's idea is we have got w `~ all these mixed use, large sections of mixed use regional and her concern is th t they ~" ~'= are going to start competing with one another and she doesn't want that to happe~i. We have got one over on Eagle that is firmly established at this (inaudible). You kno~r, light ~ industrial and she doesn't want that same thing cropping up along Pine and Eagle to compete with that one, so (inaudible) trying to find some special (inaudible) fc~r that. >- ~ Would like to try and find, not specialty, but emphasis maybe for Ten Mile. ~i ~, r ;'- Y.:, . >~ ~. ,; r~, .;, _.. >; ` :;: F~: b; . . Zaremba: -- that do want to cluster together. Canning: Yeah, try and get some cluster so that rather than competing distric~s, get some complimentary districts. ~~, Borup: Isn't Ten Mile far enough away from Eagle (inaudible)? ~I Canning: I would suspect that Ten Mile will go much more retail and more industrial only because (inaudible--). Siddoway: Plus you use McDermott more industrial (inaudible--) Ten Mile mor~ retail and (inaudible--). i Newton-Huckabay: Well, what does industry in this country in the next decades look like? I mean, it is not going to look like industry does today. Canning: There are a number of - Zaremba: It is all outsourced to India. Newton-Huckabay: That is what - ~, ,}~,,M Y~,~ Z t ~ti ~C ,; t ~ ~E ~ 'f'a ... ':..F""~ 4. ~v .~ ~. } 1'tiii 1 i~ t~'~ i JI ~~ ~,t b ~t~~ wiy 1~ i.~ 'V 1' A ~ ~ 4. f ~";. ~ r ~ ~. i- r ~ ~ a ~.. , .. ;; r.1 ~7M ~ ,.,k'sS - i s' t ~e ~.. :-t ~$H ~4`.t~~, B~ uh ' f f l ~ T: ,~. ~ x ~ L~ ti~~ ~C ~ S '~ i ..r fit i r F ~ ~ ~K . t~,~ mom, ~~z- 3` _ E Y '_. f'.V ~ r i-v ~ ~~~ r r .-s, -.-x::£46: ~ k_ t ~ ~~ oSla .. 1' ~ h.N. Y ;;~; i { - ~~,~; << .~ ~, f, .. i~': r_ =.,: n~!< .q -„ ,lv L ~x F ~x :~, . k '}t~ 'i $x`i _- ~~. ~:~:; ~ .. ~,:; x ~ ~ ~, .:;~^ ~ 4,.a { fiS Meridian Planning & Zoning Commis'sT8"n Special Meeting March 30, 2006 Page 50 of 60 ~I Canning: There is a number of building industries located in urbanizing areas th 't need some place to (inaudible). Those that are kind of the Old Town area. (Inaudible~I . Newton-Huckabay: So it is construction related? III Canning: Yeah, I think a lot of them will be construction (inaudible). They are II oking for some lace to ex and some lace to -the want to sta in Meridian an~ they p Y Y (inaudible p) and they an't afford the prices so they don't know what to do. Borup: (Inaudible--) Canning: Yeah and they - I had the most bizarre meeting with one of them. I mean, he came in and he was just pleading with me. He said you are driving me out and II have no where to go. Please find some way that I can stay here. That is all he really c me to say and you know it was a very uncomfortable meeting. Borup: He wanted some industrial land? Canning: Yeah. ~~, Siddoway: There is a bigger question as to whether we are really situated in ~ place that isn't suitable for those industrial land because they really do need to be low r cost and our position in the Valley being so central drives our land prices up to the point that industrial uses really are pushed out in favor because as the land prices inorease, industrial uses relocate and retail and other uses take their places. Borup: The city could do something about zoning and land use designation (inaudible). Siddoway: That is right and that is why you need the market research to I ack it because we need to find out if we do go ahead and zone it, is it an exercise o~ utility because of the land crisis alone? That is an answer I don't have right no~nr, but something to - Canning: Well, we could put it in the designing (inaudible) between Kuna and M~ridian just be an industrial swap. Ellsworth: The last one on the list here that we (inaudible). This is a partnership (inaudible) at this point. This is a parks and pathways plan with us and obviously Parks and Rec. The driving force behind this is if you look at the future land use mal,p right now, it sits fairly (inaudible) to the location of the trails and in addition we are nc~t even 100 percent sure where all the trails have been built, where they exist, what sha~e they are in or anything else. So, the (inaudible) components about this one fiat and foremost is a GPS inventory of what is there, what connections are needed. From that (inaudible--) different programs, come up with a capital improvement plan of so a sort, priority list, what would make sense to start spending money on and going to fun ing for it. And (inaudible) adjusted opportunities, so at this point Doug and I havo been ~~~~~r4 ~ ~w„ .~ ~ a , k ,,, > +,~ x•:x ~ ~ , .:.: -.r.r n ~ ~~~~ i € ` ~1 i ~"'' a ;, ~ ,~ yT!'. -y l S ~r.. `~ A r fi ~ -~~~y'~r ~ ~ ~ t• '4~ . ~` .ti x~P ~ ~~~~,,,,yyy e,. ~~7 pi 4'~ s y~ ~ -`- -~ 4 t y ~ 1 ~ } y S ~y ~ ~ V~•6 `X ~ ^9a v ~.~ ~ ~ .ti~~^l f4Jrly ~~I~ ' iht kA r F ~z- ~'- -~~~ Y ~ $A ~~ T ~~r a x ~ ~~~ _'~ 1is'~ i ~S ~~ }:: ;; P ~~ 3x -''~ ~~ ~.~ t Y ~':, ,' ~- _. tid.~ ~~.- £1 ~~ , v ;Ty F ,r ~' , ;; y Meridian Planning & Zoning Commis"s'15n Special Meeting March 30, 2006 ~, Page 51 of 60 bouncing an RFQ back and forth and we are just - we are gathering some input n that. Doug, I think, is looking to pull the trigger on that somewhat sooner rather than Liter. I could see that going out in the next couple of weeks here, but right now we afire still finalizing exactly what we are looking for and then on the tail end of it is going to be an updated (inaudible) public plan like all those other elements, GIS component ar~d it is definitely going to be in there so that we can integrate into the other things that t~e city has been using and actually have some direction as to where to go from here. j Siddoway: If you (inaudible) pathway existing Comp Plan, they follow the existing creeks and canals and things, but they cross the road wherever the creek cros~',es the road and that is not where people are likely to go and be able to cross the roads. ~ Same with the railroads and same with the Interstate. There just really needs to be a closer look at that pathway system in terms of the actual pedestrian movement. What ~ide of the creek is it on? We need to really look at the constraints that are out there and determine if a certain location is just impassable making - so we need to make sire our (inaudible). ~, Newton-Huckabay: Yet, well pretty soon we will all start driving our little boat p~ieds to get some where because you can't get through the intersection. (Inaudible discussion) Zaremba: The only thing that I would add to the list and (inaudible) is just signa~ge, so that, you know, if you are near a path, but you can't see it and there are some laces where there are signs, a couple of dedicated memorial pathway or so ething (inaudible). There are a lot of places there may be a pathway and nobody jknows (inaudible). Siddoway: Because there has not been a long enough section to provide connectivity and do our signing, but you are right it is an issue to be thought in terms of the whole system at some time. '~~, Canning: Then related to that Matt and I have been going to -well it started dff with Brad, it's transitioned -but, the Idaho Power has been working on the electrical plan for the county at full build out, so they assume complete total build out on the whol area and what electrical facilities they need and then last Friday we sat down and figu ed out where all the corridors would be and apparently no one had done this to date, ut our table. But, almost everything we (inaudible) along the rail corridor because th t way Idaho Power (inaudible) next to the railroad corridor it has to (inaudible) a little bit bigger than they would next to the roads because tracks attract the electrical energy they So, they have to have a little bit (inaudible) finer corridor, but it also gives s the opportunities for a bike path fairly near that rail corridor where you know the (ina dible) and they make wonderful (inaudible) and we cannot afford to buy it, but we could probably afford to build the power lanes. So, that was (inaudible--). ... •~:~a ~~: '' a'~ia ~,•~ q~ }~~ p~f; .~`~f i11 l: ~~{~ c r, a~ '.f '~ LiS'~t5 ~} ~'~~ 4 r . _, .{ r`f ~'' 1 ~,~~ ~ _r, ~~ ;`P.; L ~ ~1s ~ ~~: ~9 t~ `~h~~: , t~ 5~z . _ ~,,:- ~~ rt_ -_ i~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ` t ~. ~ ~r , jN'' Y L r !tom ~ '`;!k'#~9 ~ 1 ' yy ~. 11.i ~ C 1'' ~ ' ~, ~'=J[ ~ it > r '~ _ ~ e'iY ~ , ~ ~ +..t ~ i'~' t,~ ~ ~ ' .3,~}fir. ~l~ , 5# ,~ a. ,.[~ n i?~ E~.~ ~ ~~ ~~~. ~ 1 ~ 3 ~ , ..:,~.. i f~ t ~'t . . ~ _ •SI1~• ~'i ~Ai ~f jj ~~ ~,k 4 ~~ ~L 3) ~ K ~ :~~~ ~ ~~ _~.::, ;.:.. ~,. :~~~ :~:: ~~ ~: ~.;~ ~; ;' ~~; z _ ' ~'l t ,. . s. ~ . :~ '• ~, ~~ ~: ..i ~,'. ~.. ~5.! ~~~~n C' 3r r; C ~'t ~ .p± 6' , ; 4 `i, t. +.;'xt f,ii ~ ~~f 1, ~ }}~ I' ~" F ;Gi! h'" :, i ~ ~~~ r i,~t+i~ ~'-~- 7 7; :. ~ ~ j t :t r ~: ~c~3Y: ~f s' ~' Meridian Planning & Zoning Commissl~n Special Meeting ~ i March 30, 2006 Page 52 of 60 ~~ Ellsworth: Believe me I had an (inaudible) all over that meeting. So, that isi really interesting (inaudible). Borup: Doesn't make sense. Canning: Actually, I think our plan, you know it is hard to read them because the have got to make everybody feel like they are having valuable input and stuff, but th y kept on looking at like this one works. Look at this we only need four substations here r hub substations and they were kind of - I don't know I just got the feeling that it was orth it the way that it is. ~!, Siddoway: So, these (inaudible-) the 800 pound planning drill is that are com ng on line right now. There are many other efforts. Also ongoing we have got th DNC design guidelines underway. As I mentioned earlier we were wrapping p the Communities in Motion process regionally and it will be an opportunity f r the Commission to have a meeting of your own on the drafted plan, if you so cihoose. There are lots of transportation projects. (Inaudible) we have our Franklin Road meeting coming up we are closing on and we are coordinating with ACRD on it Split corridor is moving up the full year from when we even got adopted in January The design RFP went out last month and proposals just came in and today actual) they were due. We go into consultant selection next week and go into designer pha~e one and start looking at partnerships for phase two and keep that going. Newton-Huckabay: Can I ask a question on that because we were just talking about that today. But if Meridian Road and Main Street on phase two go into three lane ,right in the final? II Siddoway: Main Street, north of the tracks does not -north of the tracks f r the moment -Main Street does not change. It is just like it is today. Meridian Road ~s five lanes. ~~ i Newton-Huckabay: Oh, it will go to five lanes. Oh, okay. ~ Siddoway: Yes. South of the tracks there is the transition area and it changes from that configuration to a three lane (inaudible) couplet. Newton-Huckabay: I couldn't remember. Siddoway: Any other questions on the appropriates of planning? Borup: (Inaudible). Siddoway: They are looking into the CIP as the potential widening for - Borup: That has aright-of-way (inaudible)? ,: zi^ ',~ .~ ? y M :A~ 14 q -~+ s k ic,~ ~.~o ~ rr, a' ~y ~ . ' F ~ . 1 tac'Fra e •,ti ~J1F S y --~ f tii tti~ ., a`~1 i'.`. ...'~ %a~ !_ ; . v 4`4;,~` ~Y ri .tk:j ls~ r tir t iS~. 4 y :r F y ~ ~ F~ }~•, { Y: .tr t+T B ~ 1 y~ ~, ~., 4r~~. ti( r ~{ ~ } t ~, 1 S "r_ 4 ~Y_ . r ~- ;-s< _ 'L ,z ~..'. 'c; ,~ ;, a _~~ ,; ia. „°. ~i `, Meridian Planning & Zoning Commis Special Meeting ® I~~ March 30, 2006 Page 53 of 60 ~~ Siddoway: It is like a four and one half. During the first round of the draft CIP - 1,. ~s ~~. Borup: (Inaudible--) the way (inaudible) curb and gutter now. '~ Siddowa :The handed it in as three and that was one of the thin s that I ueslioned. Y Y 9 q I said don't we need to look at this starting to move further north and they do they have identified Meridian Road north of Cherry as a 4/5 roadway. It is not the (ina dible) to work program. It is something that they are looking at, including their CIP. a are supporting a lot of private, public partnerships and get things built ahead of scf~edule. We have more needs than there is money. Borup: Isn't that how Eagle and Ustick got help? ~, y,r' Siddoway: That is how Eagle and Ustick got help. It did, it worked out great and ~ working on partnerships to get Pine Street extended from Eagle to Locust GrovE ~^ ~' are working on partnerships for North Meridian - Borup: (Inaudible--). are We Siddoway: In North Meridian we have schools coming on line as you know andl in the next several years we have got middle school in 2007 and a high school in 2008 nd we are going to get the partnerships through the school district and with the develo ~ ers in that area to fund some of these intersection signalizations that need to happen up~there. } ~ Borup: Is there a signal in the (inaudible) on Ustick and (inaudible)? ;_~ Siddoway: Yes. Ustick and Linder are first - '~ "' ` I ~.-;;~ Borup: -- and Linder is first? ~~~ Siddoway: Linder is first. They just had the public information meeting on it two Iweeks ago and did submit comments on that one asking to add some (inaudible) Ian s and _` different things. Ustick and Meridian wasn't even on the radar in the first draft~of the ,~ ~ (inaudible) work that came out with the comments that we submitted and changes that `' have been made. We did get it in there. I think it is in one of the out years by 20'~ 0, but :-' they got design work program early for it so that if something else slips, it is sorr~'ething -,-, ~~ (inaudible--). ~~ ~~: Borup: (Inaudible---) so it must be worth something. "`' Siddoway: Linder has the most of the attention because of Sawtooth. ',, ~ i Newton-Huckabay: Well and it is - '~ ~``41~ (Inaudible discussion) u_ ~~t ': ~. ~~: ~'` (~' 4:,;. ~- ~,{ , '~fi 1 4,~r ~ l.5 ~'~. ` ~fi; ~ + > l'. ~ +rF ~~ ~~s ;;; ;~~ ~ ~~ - ~ ~~. ~ ~.:; ~~ x~';F t~~~~1~r - s ~" ,tt ~~ ~. t 4 :~ ~ !; ': ~ .~. ~ - .~ ' ~~ ' ~ ,: 1 C*~. { d, ~vL~~ ~ ~ ~7 nG' i+ }T*~~ 4 I ~^ ~ f A Y S ~. - ~~ .I:~i. ~~ s ® ~I Meridian Planning & Zoning Commis~l6n Special Meeting March 30, 2006 Page 54 of 60 i .~:: Siddoway: They are -traffic number wise they are very close. Ustick and Meridian is slightly higher in terms of the traffic counts that has to go through it (inaudible). Ustick and Meridian is higher, but because of the kids walking to school and the issu s with aoina throuah that intersection that one is aoina iust ahead of the other. ' ~r ~'• ' ' ~ - Newton-Huckabay: Well, don't they have to -they (inaudible) safety bus, like 00 or 400 kids (inaudible). My son gets bussed to school and we live less than a quart r mile. "~~Y' In fact, we are maybe two football fields. !, '~"~ Boruo: Are you crossina the section on vour own? ~' Newton-Huckabay: Well, they would have to go out to - if he ever walks hom~ from school, he has to go out to Linder, but we lived on Tumble Creek and he has to ~o out to Linder and down Linder to the school. r.'a<~ Siddoway: Across Ustick. ~~° ~~. ~, i Newton-Huckabay: Yeah, you have to go across Ustick. Siddoway: And those (inaudible) they are trying to sell. ~~' Y Zaremba: And no sidewalks? .,. `~ ~ ' Newton-Huckabay: No, sidewalks. There is no water ditch outside the bike lane. But, ri yes, there is like 275 kids in our subdivision and all of them bus to Sawtooth b~'cause ~''~`" (inaudible--). ~ ~R.. ~~ i r (Inaudible discussion) ~~ Canning: The last item on the agenda, if we are ready for that is -this is very shot. 'Rie'x~ I, Item 9: Discussion about a possible consent agenda for the Comm ssion ~. hearings: ~:. Canning: You may remember you reviewed some changes to the resolution for f procedures, gosh it was a while ago and I gave those to the City Attorneys a Mayor and Council decided at that time that all they really wanted to do was I shorten up some of the stuff on the final plats and miscellaneous applications ar could do that without swearing in folks. So, that is all they did. They didn't h change the resolutions to do those. Now they are wanting to see an abbrE hearing agenda and that was a big part of that. We looked at the resolution and wanted an abbreviated hearing agenda as well. Basically, it would say is anybod for this application, you know, raise your hand and testify and if not are agreement with the conditions of approval and - Borup: (Inaudible) still do that? ,. E. ~ ? h a, r 2 N~ ~. i ~.~ F~~~~ ~. ,F :~~~$ .a z:;~ d the nd of they ve to ~u all here u in ~~ ~l ~ -.4 1tiF' :, ' ; << .,t * ~ ~ ,•~' t~. c .y ,,~z ~` ~ -• i ~~?y dx?Gf dv 1 t`rt~~ 1"~* ~~ ~ tik.% ~ ~ ~ ~ .. _ 3~' t `' . ~,~` '~ ~' 3t c tt i - +'.~ ~ . a~ x , ~ ~ ~ ~ r, ~. y-i~ > ~ ~ ~:,~- ~+Yy - ~ . ~r ,r .' ~ ~a ., ~ .t, ii ~`~ 3~ F~.,, a F~ i~' ~, y.,~~~;, t ti ~~ ~ 49(+. ~~.~~ ~ ~ - ..rte, ~~. f~~;t ~~3- ,~,i ~ y ~ b~.'~i'~ ,~} f .. CND ; i Yi ayk OT~4.- - ~ ~ ~` Meridian Planning & Zoning Commis3'1aFi Special Meeting March 30, 2006 Page 55 of 60 ~: . ~~ ';w :C; a ;. £i ~, ~~ ~ ,:;~ ~., ~~ ~_ F ., S3 a ~, :,~`~ k.. ; ~~ ''; s f: L !r ~ ~ 1I i u` ~r ~,!,~ ...r':~ ;RY~[~ ,~,~ a~ t' ? ~. f1! u ~ 'D ~1~~ .~~t ;! k ~~I t.'[,;. '} `~ ~I ti SI~I 'I '.~I "~' Canning: Boise City does it. Zaremba: ACHD has a huge consent agenda and you have to ask to get sometf~ing off of it if you want to talk about it. '~ Canning: Yeah and at that time, Council was concerned that since they weren' I really having a full hearing they wanted to make sure you all were having a full hearing. So, it was written to only allow the Council to have the abbreviated hearing agenda. I Since that time, given your agendas they have said let's make it so they can do one a~ well, especially for the commercial projects. Borup: Well, yeah, some nights there is no public testimony at all on half of the projects. i~ Canning: Yeah. So, that opportunity may be coming your way. Our attorneys, ~ think, are -you know they are good about not complaining about how swamped they a e, but I think they are just swamped lately and I will try and get that going for you all. ~ lot of times you don't have the opportunity to put many things on there because we ha a had people discussing everything lately. But, we are mindful of how horrendou your agendas are lately and we are trying to do something about it. Borup: So, staff would put items that we would anticipate that they would h~ve no opposition or --? i Canning: What it would be is -well, the way Boise City does it -that was the only way I was familiar with at the time the staff just kind of tells you all these may be can idates for the abbreviated hearing agenda and so then you would, before you ado t your agenda you would say we have a potential of putting a number of items ~n the abbreviated hearing - 'i Borup: (Inaudible--). Canning: Same thing. I have (inaudible) that at Boise City. Siddoway: So, you would just be saying these are the projects that the applica~t is in agreement with staff conditions of approval and unless there is someone there toil testify Canning: Yeah and to our knowledge there is no other opposition and you would say is there anybody wanting to speak on this item and if not, then - ~ Moe: You would just make a motion to put on the consent agenda at that point? ~~, r ~~ Gry £1 S , .. ~~}-~ ~"K ~F~ Y Vl~j ~ ~. Y ~ i ~ -y~'6~+~ ~ t 4. / ~:~ 4 r~ yy+ ~ y ~ ~t . ~: n s ~#~ y ~., ~~- .;M's~+ ~~x ,~~ ~, ~ ,~ ,;~ - H 4 ` ~~~ ~' W ~~ ~. ~. y. ~~ ~ ~ . x ~ . 'Y ......:._ _. ~'.= ~p ' .ca Yt xQ i~ _ ` ~~ ~ ~.'.', ~ 1 ~Y .=N .lF : Y + ' . .. ,fdL.4irc ~' T` '~ a ~~~. ~,,, xFx~ '° ~~ ~ =G: ,~;. 'tJ F ...L ~,riY;. 1t,.j,r~! `~ jai: k_ r%1` ~`r, ~i ~, Fa:r y ~~z ~, ~{ ~''! .. ~~; "~ . ;., ,F Meridian Plannin & Zonin Commis3T6n S ecial Meetin 9 9 P 9 March 30, 2006 ' Page 56 of 60 Canning: Well, we are not going to call it consent. It is an abbreviated hearing ajgenda because you use the consent agenda for your other things, for your minutes and (things like that. Borup: Well, (inaudible--) you would think that the applicant would have a strong (desire (inaudible) and I assume (inaudible--), right? ~~ Canning: Yeah. I, Moe: We spend way too many hearings of late that there are no issues, t at the a licant wants to et u there and sell inaudible and I want to say excuse me,~ really pP 9 P ( ) don't care. You know, I am not going to buy one of your homes or whatever.) New project, staff loved it and I am ready to say go for it because we are on a time cloak and it is only 1:30 now and we have two more to go. Canning: Exactly. Rohm: Yeah, that is when I get the elbow, move along Mike. Borup: So, how soon could we do that? Canning: I keep on - Borup: Is that a new ordinance? Canning: I thought the resolution was all written and then Ted was reviewing it - ~I Borup: Somebody could come and photocopy it for us? Canning: Ted was reviewing it and that is when he figured out I had accidentally disbanded you all and that was the last time anybody that I know of lookin~ at it. Sharon, did you know that I completely disbanded the Commissioners? Newton-Huckabay: And we all came back. Well, I have to say this in all fairness ~ lot of times we shoot ourselves in the foot. i Zaremba: Why are you looking directly at me? Newton-Huckabay: Yeah, I just have eight more questions for you. I have) these sixteen notes I have made. Moe: I would make an observation here. You know in listening to everything to fight it is very good to see that we can also have a very positive attitude when there is s much crap on top of us right now. I mean, I didn't hear anything - I mean lots of positiv s, but quite frankly it is real depressing when you start thinking well, she is losing staff a d you know they don't have any money and we don't have any money and I don't kno~nr how ` : ~~ ,' i -j t 4 J " Y1 ~ ~ w t r , . y: ~.1:,,: L~t S e 7F'- ~ ~H ~ ' ~~ ,, ~ +y ~{ r~ ~~ ~ ' Y, ?yp ~4 M1 .3 T _.. YY ~/~.•,~~ Win' (- Y.tr, gyp. ~ n ~', s ~: ~v,. ~ ;i '" ~~~ ti ~.,_ *V ~ a 1i ,~((,,'~ ~~ ~. 1h' hY~ ~ ~ ~~~ F '~ ~~ ~+ ~' ~' '~ r ~~k f _ ~ R b a " ~k Meridian Planning & Zoning Commis316n Special Meeting March 30, 2006 Page 57 of 60 ;~ ~~ . Y~. ~' T'; ~, ~: .' 4M , .. ~~. _,., ». ~,; ., `'ti F: '.: S we are going to do all this stuff because there is no money, but we have got!, to do something about it. Yeah, it is pretty depressing when you start to think about it that way. ~~,, Canning: Somehow it all gets done. I mean the good part about losing the staff -well there is really no good part about it - but, I think that it will help me get som initial funds so I don't lose more people. Moe: At least now I know why Josh was at Boise City in the middle of the day on~ day was there. !, Canning: That is funny. 'i Moe: The look he gave me was oh. Now it all comes together. ', Canning: It's okay. I think that the candidates that we have will be phenomenal once we get them up and trained. I, Newton-Huckabay: Now is there is a philosophy for choosing people ha~we no experience rather than trying to recruit from --? ~~ Canning: Departments, I can't complete locally - Siddoway: We have been making phone calls. Canning: Yeah, we have tried. There is really not - i Newton-Huckabay: I am sure there is people like in Orange County that are pl~nners that - I mean, everybody else from there is moving here. Do they do target rr~arkets with that? Borup: Put it out on a national website. ~I Canning: Yeah, the last two times we have sent it out on a national website. I't is an email that everybody gets. !, (Inaudible discussion) Canning: You know that is the problem with that - Ellsworth: (Inaudible--). ~ Canning: Part of it is my educational standards are little higher than some of th~ other ones around so my job qualifications are a little higher and I don't pay as well, s¢ I end up getting people I need to train. It's okay, you know I don't mind, but - .. _ "~xJ { 'w~ „~ ft l i~ 's ~yyf ~wf~t A~i~ M' h r' 1~ .~ '~~`~ '{r^ ~~I u ,.L.: i 3. 'r Jit ,.._V ~~t~ yr.F~ J*..; SSt LS _ _t` b .'IWY ".~l 4 .~ W~~c. ~ ~ ` t~ fit a~ ~ j "Sy` , F~-4 s - ? ~ ~ .. .~S,,. ~ yN ~2 : _ ''{, AA`~ + f ~ n '1' Y ~5 4 L T f ! ~ ~ 4 ~:?';. X1 4 - _ t ptv~4r, i-. ~' 1~ggt~ + c'te 4 r ff T ~' -~ {'til I~.. • . .c w ~f t.~ -.. G~ ~t'} .yy':i ysg ~~ f 1~ . • t ~ S~ p} y ~., ry f ~ ~ `fir! -~, ,c ~~' i '`'-, ,_ .. ~r~ ~S. ~~ ,. ~~' ,~, =~~ k , ~: ,., y~.: . E: -~ .;y ~~'i e ~: Meridian Planning & Zoning Commis3'ISn Special Meeting ~ ~, March 30, 2006 Page 58 of 60 i~ Moe: But it doesn't help when Meridian is one of the fastest growing cities in Idaho and it is well known all over the country that way and so they are going a planner for Meridian, fastest growing oh my God that is a lot of work, maybe that is not where I want to go. Siddoway: Fastest growing also brings opportunities. ', Canning: That is right. Well, yeah, and the two telephone interview candidates t at we were interested in are like well you know what is the opportunity to move up (inau ~ ible)? You know, I have got a guy that started a year and one half ago and is the manager now. If you stay here for a while, there is great potential. Newton-Huckabay: Just wondering that maybe there is opportunities for more admin type help that would take that burden? Canning: That is what the internship position should help a little bit. ~I Newton-Huckabay: Yeah and take the phone calls - '~, Borup: (Inaudible--). Canning: You know when I first got here hardly any and now much more. IIt has increased tremendously in the last three years. Borup: (Inaudible) manage that and do you still do that half day thing where one ~erson is on (inaudible)? j Canning: Well, Kristy and Sonya for the most part take the walk-in ones, unless it is projected related and then one of the guys will take it if it is one of their projects. Even Matt has been helping out. i I Borup: So that (inaudible--) take everyone that walks in? Canning: We take everybody that walks in. Borup: I mean, a couple of years ago you had, you know, the afternoon was - Siddoway: Yeah, we used to go in shifts. Borup: -- yeah, are you still doing that? Siddoway: No, with the restructuring that we did, we got Sonya and Kristy right at the front counter so that they can handle most of the walk in traffic themselves a~ they come in. Newton-Huckabay: We need to close the public meeting because - I, L y~~y~J ~t N H~ f ~Y ~ 'L.;j~:: '~^"1r' Y, b ~` T t ~' ` ~} ~ "kl ~ r e ~ ~~! '' ~rF r ~ ~~p~,~,a ~s~; r. ~.x t ~ `u~+. .,_; ~ ~ ~ ~j ~ ti~~~ n~ n . ft rh ~~ ~.y. ~ I_; ~ i -_ a q t: ~~~ ~C74'.. ro~r.tR` _ t" i ~ " . , ~.." , .WWW u x - µ l' t t ~h 4 ~~ ~~ ~' ~/ ~~. ~ 4 'may 11~ x Ar' ff i.7~~ ~ ~ ~~`': Y ~ ~2: ~..~ ~ _ ti.~A~~ s i a~ y .~+ fi~'1`~ XS Y ,~ `, y •: t~ b r'l '! .::. ~. >:. .;;:.. ~: . ~j ~x ~;: ;_~ ~, ~: ~:~:1 ~. '! r~ r,': i '~': 7-a ~4- ., ~~ ..f,', rc ~-.: " ;~,_. J Ya r ?}.~;t I i ~~ R ~.`E ,ri 5 Meridian Planning & Zoning Commis~'Rfn Special Meeting March 30, 2006 Page 59 of 60 Borup: (Inaudible--). Siddoway: Well, we have more projects, so it is still - (Inaudible discussion) Rohm: We will get it on the record that we have three meetings - Canning: You need to close it. Borup: Is this still being recorded? Canning: Yeah. Rohm: Do we need to have on record that we would like to have three meetings in June? Newton-Huckabay: I think we already did. Canning: I guess you could make a motion just in case (inaudible--). I don't thirilk you need one, but you could take a vote if you want? 'I Rohm: No, just on record that we will have three meetings in the month of June. Okay, good enough. ~~~ Borup: The date to be determined later? I~~ Rohm: Well, it would be the fifth Thursday. Borup: That is what I was wondering. Right now I have got something schedu~ed for the end of June, but that is okay. Rohm: With that being said, would you like to make motion? j Newton-Huckabay: Mr. Chair, I recommend we close the Meridian Planning and ?oning Special Meeting and adjourn the Special Meeting. i ~, Borup: Second. j Rohm: It has been moved and seconded to close the Special Meeting of the Pl~nning and Zoning. All those in favor say aye. Opposed same sign. ALL AYES. MOTION CARRIED. [~'~ ~ d a~ '~+ ,. Ixw ~. + ~ r ~ _ f3 Iy,, , ? ~y,~~ ~ '~' s ~_ ~r.,.Fr+.~PR~,. i, \ ~,__ {~ } n~S`. ~~ ~' `,~ ~~ r ~.~ ~, ar ~ 11~~?? t ~~f 2 ~ ~~^ ~} '~~Y 'h ;. - 4 Y. i If} i , n' rv. c, +~, ~~~ v~".f~+ i3 ~. y, ` `2'w. 14 '~ i' ;"q2f ~' i h ~ ~' S ~* 9 ? iLL rf' ~}); ~] Lt w Y'~t6.: .. '.w ~ v,~_ ~ - a ~ ~, ySy.,._ 5 L ,gip. 't L7 ~ ham'.. ri w 2' r 4~ r ~ r ~r ~. ~. _3 ~~ i t ~~, -:,:~; ,,, ~, ~~ .. '~ ;~.f i,^ .~ ~ ~ ~ 'f ~:' ~. g6~~ :.q j .r. Meridian Planning & Zoning Commis396n Special Meeting March 30, 2006 Page 60 of 60 MEETING ADJOURNED AT 9:45 P.M. (TAPE ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS.) APPRO ED: MICH EL ROHM - HAIRMAN ATTESTED: btr.T I ®' I O.d ~.Y ~, DATE APPROVED '~~ ~ -- ~. '°; '~ - IAM G. BERG JR., ~~LE K ' ~ ` '~.. ~ . ..~.j' I S I ~ F ci L' _ y ~ E r xv; ~ S a ~} a ~. ~q ~:. ~~ ~.~~~ '` , i ~~r ~ .~ .~.~~.~- ~ ~- . ~ ark .~a t ~ , Y~.x r wdt~ t . W} * ~ ( R , ~~~ i . ,~ t"''i5~' F r y ~s ~. ~~ ~`r I x~ 4 y t ~: ! .~' ~ ''` ~s. r "~ ,~ .. ' I ~~ h~ , ' "~ '~. 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(F1A-9wTt7 Strete~c H~~h,~ta~ ~ `F , ~`~a~r; ~ _ ; 11~~1 ~1_ I ~i I ~ ~+,'+ ~at>w ~'1 i ~~ ' 1 • A~~ e~amea emoraaf ®ria~~e ira Al#atata, ~~A SS-55fi{ At~T _ ~~~ ~.~ , u ( ~~ ~ w, y ~ i d b t"~ I, 4 ~- -- - ~ `~,, -_ _ ; Emerging Access Guidance on Arterials No dri~feways unless a necessity Sigr~ai s~sacing ,,,~-mite in urban areas • Raked medians ort ir{ostfali arterials • t~t~airttairt a c~rrtplete ~-~etvtrark hierarchy QlleStlOn ~11hen traffic signal warrants are met at a puEiCrc intersection, will a new traffic s~gr?al be a safety enhancement? YE5 or f+JC~ ~OSt-~t'O~eOt ~t~tiStiCS 3~~~ drop in 3otal Accident F#a#e • 5~$~a ~r{9~ it'S injury Rate • 54~a riro~ ~n Mief-3alc~ck lnjtary~ ,Rate ~(~~c Clft~#3 tf1 In#GrS2C#IOfI lnliary' R'i:3t~ Pftlje~t has sstaed et leas# 1 ~ lives artd. tl~~ ~3fG'1Tertt~f# ~"tOLISd~CLIa (Jt at'"CtC3~ntS ~,lf~~~E+ dtC, ~Q~~l:~~'{!~. Proo# of Necessity 3 is the access really necessary? I rafitic service, not lust convenience t<a~h new access will increase crashes b is'#here reasonable atterr~atitre acv~ess`? - Tea a lower tunctiona{ rors~a Most likely not II ~° ~° ~- - - ~ ~ ~I - -~ -- 3 • • -.:.. -- ;, 'may" c ~ a~~, _r ±~. e ,•.. ,~ ~:~~ ~ .~. ~ ~ R ~, _' - ~- iS ~ ,,~ I s ~ ' ~; - ~ Y +~ .d" s~ ~- ., , C~~ESTIONS? ~ ~° a -~.~- ~ ~' u . •6„ ,..~~x. C{OIVIPASS Activities ~JS 2~0,~~6 rvorridar Study ~, g ~!-i 4~ ~r~rridor St~ad~ '~ ~iigh Vc~lurri~ It~t~r~~~-;tiarf fit~.idy 1(_1(17 5 ;. ~ t r i 7 ,~o., . ~~ ~~~ ~::: LJ rrrv ui ~1 ZC~1~12 ~~ ~` ' y ( : II:)94iC) f~ d• t ~ ~~i Mi~~ ,. ,tKs.t~n:.. V ~` I The following is a list of activities ghat will be undertaken by the City of Meridian Planning Department over the next year: - South Meridian Area Plan: The department will initiate a public outreach process to determine future development patterns in the area sout$ of existing city limits and area of impact boundary. - Ten Mile Interchange Area Plan: In anticipation of the Ten Mile/I-84 Interchange (scheduled for construction in 2008), the city will prepare a specific area plan focusjng primarily on land use and transportation issues. 7' ~' - Industrial Lands Study: ~~;`l'' In order to balance the diverse and rowing economy within the Ciry and the ~_, many benefits of increasing commercial and residential development, the -4 Department will conduct an assessment of existing industrial lands to gauge the appropriateness of its amount and loca'ttion, and identify market opportunities for future increases in industrial land availability. ~'.:_; - Districting: ~.; As the Ciry continues to grow, certahn areas and sectors will be identified to ~,_,, funnel new niche industries and activities into specific parts of town. Examples include Old Town and the Meridian M~dical District. z ~' - Pathway Plan: ~' ` ' In cooperation with the Ciry of Meridian Parks and Recreation Department, an '~ ~~_~ updated Pathways and Trails Master Plan will be prepaxed to assist city staff and µ the development community in enhancing existing trails and pathways for expanded transportation options and recreation opportunities. ~~ ~ For more information, please contact the pity of Meridian Planning Department: ~,' 660 E. 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The following is a list of activities'~,that will be undertaken by the '~" City of Meridian Planning Departiment over the next year: ;; ~~~ t,m; : - South Meridian Area Plan: . ~-~ The department will initiate a put~lic outreach process to determine future ~`.{ development patterns in the area south of existing city limits and area of impact • boundary. T~" - Ten Mile Interchange Area Plan: `°° In anticipation of the Ten Mile/I-84~~ Interchange (scheduled for construction in 3~ 2008), the city will prepare a specific area plan focusing primarily on land use ,~ , and transportation issues. ~~ ~~.~ , - Industrial Lands Study: ~'~ In order to balance the diverse and' growing economy within the City and the ~; ; , ~~: many benefits of increasing com lmercial and residential development, the ,~- .;.;~ Department will conduct an assessment of existing industrial lands to gauge the ~£ ~. . appropriateness of its amount and location, and identify market opportunities for ~, :~ future increases in industrial land avajilability. »r:._ . - Districting: ~I r.; As the City continues to grow, certain areas and sectors will be identified to t-~'' funnel new niche industries and activities into specific parts of town. 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Item Quantity ',Units Cost/Unit Sub-Total Total Construction Items (Hard Costs) Site Development * General Grading 5 I Acre $875.00 $4;462.50 Total $4,462.50 Sanitary Sewer ** Connect to Existing 1 Each $850.00 $850.00 Frontage 8-inch PVC Pipe 1,060 LF $30.00 $31,800.00 On-site 8-inch PVC Pipe 1,140 LF $20.00 $22,800.00 4-inch PVC Pipe 525 ~ LF $13.00 $6,825.00 Manholes 7 I Each $1,850.00 $12,950.00 Service Tees & End 15 ~ Each $200.00 $3,000.00 Surface Repair 1,060 LF $20.00 $21,200.00 Total ' $99,425.00 Possible Sewer Reimbursement 1 LS $15,900.00 $15,900.00 $15,900.00 Potable & Fire Protection Water '~ ** Connect to Existing (by tap) 1 I Each $3,000.00 $3,000.00 Frontage 12-inch PVC Pipe 1,060 ~ LF $35.00 $37,100.00 On-site 8-inch PVC Pipe 650 '~ LF ~ $20.00 $13,000.00 On-site 6-inch PVC Pipe 490 ' LF $17.00 $8,330.00 Fire Hydrants 2 'Each $2,400.00 $4,800.00 Miscellaneous Fittings 1 ! LS $4,000.00 $4,000.00 3/4-inch Services 15 ~ Each $500.00 $7,500.00 Surface Repair 1,060 I tF $16.00 $16,960.00 Total $94, 690.00 Possible Water Reimbursement 1 LS $18,550.00 $18,550.00 $18,550.00 Gravity Irrigation/Drainage '~ 12-inch N-12 Pipe 400 ~ LF $22.00 $8,800.00 Irrigation/Drainage Boxes 2 (Each $1,400.00 $2,800.00 Connect to Existing 2 Each $150.00 $300.00 Total ' $11,900.00. Pressure Irrigation System Pump Station 1 ~ LS $22,000.00 $22,000.00 Distribution Pipeline 2,100 LF $9.00 $18,900.00 Gate Valves 3 (Each $475.00 $1,425.00 Road Crossing Sleeves 3 Each $550.00 $1,650.00 Miscellaneous Fittings 1 I LS $1,250.00 $1,250.00 Service Connections 15 I Each $200.00 $3,000.00 City Back-up Connection 1 I LS $10,000.00 $10,000.00 Total $58, 225.00 Page 11,1 of 3 i~ - ~ ~ ~ ~^r ~ ~ f i ~ ~ 7 1 ri ~C L +l. .7 t ~Y:.~,.. 1 5~ ~ ~ '~ i $ , 'r ~ L ~ l ~ , ~ ~.. Y,,. i i ,~.: ~ f Leyy ~~~~, _ ~~ kfrh .. ~~~ ~ ,~ 4M ~ cy ~ r ~ 5Pr » P c ~ 1 _ ~~ ~ ~ .,~~~'y~ ~ ~ ~}~,~s'. wry 1 µ ~ it kv qi S S Y, i'>'t ~~"+ •, t"tar ~ rq?i~ *~ r~~ ~~ _ ..~• _,~ ~, ;.'1 z K a z' t ,`' y ~ - ` _'= rj ~ ;~~ ~i~ ~;' .-: ~''• ' "F :t ,. s: v, :; -:~ ~d' ;~ • Public Utilities i Idaho Power 15 Each $1,200.00 $18,000.00 Intermountain Gas 15 !Each $0.00 $0.00 Qwest 15 Each $600.00 $9,000.00 Cable TV 15 ~ Each $0.00 $0.00 Total ' $27,000.00 Possible Utility Reimbursements 1 ' LS $16,200.00 $16,200.00 $16,200.00 Frontage Public Street Improvements Drainage 1 ! LS $2,500.00 $2,500.00 General Grading /Prep 15,000 ! SF $0.10 $1,500.00 Approach to Project 1 I LS $1,900.00 $1,900.00 Concrete Curb & Gutter 0 I, LF $9.50 $0.00 5-foot Concrete Sidewalk 1,000 ~~ LF $11.00 $11,000.00 Pavement Match with Base 0 ! SF $2.00 $0.00 Total $16,900.00 Internal Public Street Improvements Drainage 5 Acres $2,000.00 $10,200.00 General Grading /Prep 62,000 SF $0.06 $3,720.00 Concrete Valley Gutter 180 ~ LF $20.00 $3,600.00 Concrete Curb & Gutter 2,240 ~ LF $9.50 $21,280.00 5-foot Concrete Sidewalk 1,620 ''~ LF $11.00 $17,820.00 Pavement with Base 43,100 SF $1.60 $68,960.00 Total I $125,580.00 Street Lights Wiring 3 ~ Each $650.00 $1,950.00 Lights 3 I Each $1,900.00 $5,700.00 Total $7, 650.00 I Total Consfruction Forecast $445,832.50 10% Contingency '~ $44,583.25 Total ~ $490,415.75 Cosf per Lot $32,694.38 Total Possible Reimbursements I $50,650.00 Net Possible Cost per Lot '~ $29,317.72 Common items not included in this forecast are landscaping, ornamental improvements and fencing. These items are highly variable, bu should be accounted for. Non-Construction Development Costs Soft Cos s -Excludes Financing Costs) Land Surveys -Boundary & Site 1 !, LS $3,850.00 $3,850.00 Concept Entitlement 15 '~ Each $300.00 $4,500.00 Project Design 15 I Each $660.00 $9,900.00 Pagel~l, 2 of 3 M1 t ~~ ' ti ~- ~ r Y X11 ,i' ~< < ~:+o aw ~ u. ` ~ ~ r~, ' ~~~ ~,,~ r ~ r sa . N, C -, ~ ~ ,. d.;- ~. ~` ~' .'f r~~y fi ~~ fit`. ~ -v'~!:, c r~ Y! ~ G tr r. ~ ~y ~~ ' , ,rte tih 'z ~.. ~. ~ ~t ~~ L7~. i' rz r t r, ~n ~,~ .;'¢ ~ .1..~.. ~ . ~ ~~ ~ n gµgl. 4 ` ~ ^ F ' t .ai~T~ .i. t , ~~ 3 r qq p 4~S ~~ ,f ~ ~' _ Y t4~ ' ,. c ~ ' ~' C ! fit. ; `''~ ~~, :,, ~,,g.~m K:: ~} ~~ . y. 1 '"~~~> >~~: `i :~ :, ,,. ~: `. °~` ~~: ,, Y j., i ~: a:~. i~a-,-: ti ~~. y«.... Construction Contract Admin. 40 I Hours ! $60.00 $2,400.00 Site Erosion Control Plan 1 LS $1,000.00 $1,000.00 Construction Surveying 32 '~, Hours $150.00 $4,800.00 Construction Observation 90 'Hours $50.00 $4,500.00 Legal Consulting 1 !, LS $3,400.00 $3,400.00 Submittal /Review Fees 1 ' LS $8,000.00 $8,000.00 Total Soft Cosfs $42,350.00 70% Contin ency ~~, $4,235.00 Total $46,585.00 Cosf per Lot $3,105.67 Total Preliminary Project Cost Forecast ' $537,000.75 Total Cost per Lot $35,800.05 Net Possible Cost per Lot after Reimbursement ' $32,423.38 lm act Fees (to be Paid Prior to Building Permit) being Issued) Ada County Highway District 15 'Each $1,397.00 $20,955.00 Meridian City Parks 15 i Each $667.39 $10,010.85 Total $30, 965.85 I Connection fees for water and sanitary sewer h ve not been included. These are required prior fo issuance of a building permit. * General grading does not account for significant earthwiork occuring on the site. This may be necessary or desired. Since no designs are available for any infrastructure at this point in time, the preparer has assumed that improvements will be installed to generally match th$ existing terrain. ** Water and sanitary sewer are approximately 1/2 mile ~orth of the site. This forecast has been prepared presuming others will bring water and sanitary sewer to tfl~e property with no extraordinary costs, such as late comers fees, attach d to that point of connection. The forecast presented above is a preliminary estimate o~ possible, anticipated components of a proposed project. This estimate has been prepared without specifiq project entitlement approval or construction plans. Changes to the anticipated components of each project afire common during the entitlement and construction plan approval phase of each project. This estimate is based upon our experience of similar, recent projects. The user of this information should expect deviations from the above forecast and agrees to use this information at their own risk. Page'I3 of 3 CITY OF MERIDIAN PLANNING DEPARTMENT Request for Proposals ~9. ~~' ~, , ~;Y ~" ~.,. +i y~ ~~ ,` ~.:; ~:: :3 ~;,,; ~'~ .,.f H'r Project Name: Date of RFP Release: Requested Response Date: L` Ten Mile Interchange Specific Area Plan April 1, 2006 April 28, 2006 Request Issued By: MERIDIAN PLAN1vnvG & ZO1vnvG DEPARTMENT 660 E. WATERTOWER LN., SUITE 202 MERIDIAN, ID 83642 PH: (208) 884-5533 Fx: (208) 888-6854 WEB: WWW.MERIDIANCITY.ORG Background and Introduction The City of Meridian is seeking qualified candidates to prepare a Specific Area Plan for the land surrounding the intersection of Ten Mile Road and Interstate-84. Primary components of the plan will include land use, transportation, market analysis, and design guidelines. Due to increasing growth-related congestion on Eagle and Meridian Roads it is clear that a third interchange is needed to access the Interstate, relieve congestion, and provide an additional north-south arterial through western Ada County. Over the past several years there has been overwhelming recognition of this need, as identified in the following independent local agency studies/releases: • I-84 Corridor Study- COMPASS, 2001: Study highlights project among suggested "2010 Roadway Projects." • City of Meridian Comprehensive Plan- Ten Mile Interchange was first identified as a priority in City Comprehensive Plans as early as the 1970's. The most recent version (update 2002) continues to assert the interchange as a priority project. • I-84, Ten Mile Access Study- ITD, 2005: Assesses the impacts associated with the addition of the new interchange in accordance with Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) regulations. (Project was subsequently approved by 1 I ~ `, x eta ~' 1S ..jjp~~~'~~e,,5 f ~ ~~~.. - S{, »~ ~~~ r ~ S+ ~~x F h? `~,~~~ h {~, . ~ * .~ f r f .1 ~ Y . c '` a: ~ S > . • f • N { ti~ 1~`cc~3a ~~`G '~}~.~ ~~ ~~~ '~ ~~ ~ ~ z ~; i`~ _ '~~hYyyi- y L ' t;- ~ ~~ ~'I ( $1 _ r. a n ~ ~ e~ i - ~ a>k Y c k r ~~r~. .~-, ~ rA~: ~a5 ff F ~y ~M } 4 t ~~~ L ;vT, ~ ~'. ' yr~ f~ {~ II. ~,ff~ "~ .±~ Ei. . ~ .. '. ,,~ ~ ,1 4`S~ .~ ~' 1 ~S~ r ' -7 Y'_ . qL ~ ~~~ i r ~ ~x., ~~ < ~' s~i~ < d~ K r $~~. ffi'4 '. 5 ', 1,~>., y ,_ Ip `~` - i' ti ~ . .x~ ~. _. ', _. ,; t~:,~A ~- ~ . _, s i.,, a ~y :~ ~: ~, t f ~; ; _' ~~ ~= fi',` ~, y:. ~:: ~:; ,. ~. ~~°= ~. Y; . ~{ <<, FHWA in June of 2005 pending final design and completion of the environmental process). • Five-Year Work Program- ACRD, 2007-2011: Program notes that "ACRD has organized many local roadway projects around the new interchange project." • Transportation Improvement Plan- COMPASS, FY 2006-2010: Interchange recommended for construction in 2008. In recognition of overwhelming interagency support for the project, the City of Meridian now seeks a qualified consultant or consulting team to prepare a specific area plan for the Ten Mile vicinity factoring in changes resulting from the new interchange. The study area will be bordered (roughly) by Linder Road to the east, McDermott Road to the west, Overland Road to the south, and the Union Pacific Railroad to the north (see attached map). The designation of land uses in the surrounding vicinity as recognized by the Future Land Use Map {adopted 2002) is a major impetus for this project. According to the existing map, a large area of land immediately north of I84 in the Ten Mile vicinity is identified as a fixture Mixed Use-Regional Zone. According to the 2002 Comprehensive Plan, the purpose of the Mixed Use designation is to encourage "innovative and flexible design opportunities" in transitional areas. The stated intent of the designation is to "offer the developer a greater degree of design and use flexibility." However, some of the wording in the Mixed Use-Regional standards portion of the plan is vague and offers little assurance of continuity and compatibility of uses throughout an area this large. The City of Meridian would like to approach this Specific Area Plan as a means of outlining some of these details while adhering to the intent of the Comprehensive Plan. With the current and forecasted growth of western Ada and Canyon Counties, this intersection will very likely facilitate similar volumes as the other interchanges in the Meridian area, namely Eagle and Meridian Roads. In an attempt to provide a convenient travel alternative to these heavily used interchanges, and in order to avoid any potential congestion-related problems in the future, this plan will also focus on access control and traffic flow issues. The intent of this project is to prepare a plan that will guide the future development of this comdor in a manner that is acceptable and beneficial to all interested stakeholders. It should focus on matters of land use, access, mobility, sustainability, and convenience. The plan should be based on: • The City of Meridian Comprehensive Plan • LandownerlStakeholder input, • Projected impact of a new Ten Mile Road Interchange • Current land uses, and • The Ada County Comprehensive Plan, and all applicable COMPASS, ITD, and ACRD plans and studies. 2 ~~ x~ a ~ ~~~ F, wx ~. ~ . r,«. ~ft '~ ~' 1 l`:... :, h~ r. 1 5 1 {5.v ~ .AFL ~ ~. t ~~~ ~~aH t` 5 ~ 1~ L15', " ~t' ~T ~x~r s rtic 'fX } i'M' ~t t. 3 ~'~~` / 1 ~r,~; ~ x 0. Fx'~~~'~ tl ~ 1 S~ ~~ ~ „ •r s ~,, ~~``Tt Y ~ ~~ I G 111 41 5Y S ~l 4 I ,'~5 H ~)ky~~ E.. ~'.. '~~tS S fr ~F ~T •:'.' TBS.{ { `r'. ~ ,.~ fi~ i; ~ h tA'-"~~~t ~T ~ ~'~~ ; ~1 `. ~.~fi * ~,°r ~ r '„~'' .~q bvw" ry ~ ~ r'+F ~,n..i ~~~f a- t? ~, ., ! 1. z k ~, ~~ ; ~: ~~.• ~~ ~, Purpose and Opportunity By preparing a specific area plan for the Ten Mile Interchange and immediate surrounding vicinity, the City seeks to bring together all interested stakeholders to establish a single agreed upon plan for the future of this area. The shift in land uses that will inevitably accompany a new interchange will have a dramatic impact on all parties involved. However, by bringing stakeholders to the table at this early phase in the planning process, it is hoped that this plan can shape the outcome of the project resulting in an end product that will benefit the area, its residents, and the community as a whole. Anticipated Plan Components Respondents are encouraged to present their own unique insights as to the best way to engage in this planning process. The following are several components currently envisioned by the City for inclusion. They are not finalized or exhaustive, and are subject to change. • Goals and Development Policies • Land Use Plan - Current Conditions/Inventory - Impact of Interchange - Appropriate Future Land Uses - Compatibility of Uses/Transitions - Affect on Transportation Systems • Transportation Plan - Access Management & Mobility - Local Movement o Traffic Patterns o Trip Generation o Intersection Capacity - Function in Regional System - Affect on Land Uses • Market Analysis - Broad Regional Analysis - Underserved Markets - Potential0pportunities • Design Guidelines - Bulk and Form - Building/Street Relationships - Parking - Signage - Landscaping • Implementation 3 ~ ~~ ~~ ~y F ~,~ r ,;, s,r. > ~ .,^ ~.,;, r,~,; ~ ~. ',~` , ~ ~ a +• t~x~ . i •.. ~' ~' w "'`. ~~ ti` - -~ ~'~ ,~- '~ ~• c , „.' e y S ~~>.~ ~~ ,.. ~, ~~ rt`s& r r.. F' ~`a*. , N L x s ~~~ ~ ~ l •r 4 a .yy . ~i i. l .~„ a, .yy~t. r ' ~ k F N,F,~' R `v, ~;~ 4 ~ '~, ~1 } 2'n ~~~ F~.. `~~' ~'P wf 7~ J n ~ . } r + . ,,~ 4... `~ `''M~ ~~ ;q ~ ~ i ~S ~ -_ ~ r ~i ~~43! h NSA: r wz ~; tr t - ~~. Y ~ ~ 3f? '} y,h ~ n - ~ R:s~ ~y.~~~ i., ~. ~~ ~ Process and Products ~: ~~`~'" The City of Meridian is interested in working with a team that brings an innovative and creative Y, , ` approach to this process. At this early phase of the pre-planning process, the City envisions ~, _.,,:; -t °-', _ considerable public participation and stakeholder involvement consisting of various methods of input gathering and consensus building. More conventional research applications will be used in -- concert with interactive engagement to produce a general vision for the area, which will then be ~'~~=, incorporated into the Plan. The City is particularly interested in the potential fora charrette- ' ~ :~~ based planning process, though other processes will certainly be considered. ~. ..,, '°~ The following products are expected upon conclusion of the planning process. Again, this list is neither finalized nor exhaustive, and respondent customization is encouraged. ~~; ' ~• Ten copies of a published final report; ,, ~ ~ An Executive Summary of the final report, in a form able to be mass-produced as a stand-alone document for distribution to stakeholders and the public; r ~ Current and proposed land use and transportation maps- digitaUhard copy display r;:~t ~~ format compatible with ArcGIS 9; ~~ A web-ready version of the final report and the Executive Summary built as ' -~ HTML; • A PDF version of the final report, Executive Summary, and all maps; • An electronic version of the final report, preferably in Microsoft Word format. `, ; "'f The City hopes to begin the planning process in mid-June and a draft of all documents will be `~'; due by December 15, 2006 for the public hearings process. The budget for this project is ~_~4-;: ~~5 nnn nn ~~ ~ Experience The successful consultant/consulting team will possess the following skill set: ~: A creative approach to study preparation and public involvement; ~«,. ~; ,` Experience preparing specific area plans (primary) as well as broader, N• a?~.'<' nnmmn»i4v_[vi~o nnmt~rsa~sanen~a r-~ane ~eannn~arvl• ~~~'`' Familiarity with the azea; Excellent facilitation and interpersonal skills; • Ability to perform all tasks outlined in the scope of work within the expressed . , timeline; • Broad understanding of land use, community design, environmental, and transportation principles and practices; ~~ '=. Comfort conducting public meetings; planning and implementing public outreach _, . work sessions andJor design charrettes; ~` ~' Experience working with landowners {residents and developers), government ~s • agencies and officials, and the public; ~' Pragmatic approach to study prepazation focusing on implementation and realistic outcomes. „r ~> 4 h1 , •= a `4. ~ t r ~yf .-. ~~.~~ d ~~ ~'. `~` `3 :~ °~~ Mr ~~ i./ut+ Y ~> FA A ~~ Y y `~~_ ,' .y :k-~ - ~- aH.,-r- ~~ ~ ~ ~ /` ~ ,r •~ ~ ~~~ i ;, 4cr ~ ~n t - ~jl .l ~, p' ? ~ h, s,. ,F .'+J . ~~ j. {~ ~ t' ~`x ~ r,;a ~.~~~= r -.~., ~;. cr. > e ~- :, -, ~ ~ ~rI ,.~ r 13 ~~ 4, -.. J~J ~'i'~F' ~~ ~ '' ~.~Yi Ste'; ^ 1K~ ~~ F~ ~'= -~ '~ ~ s '' r ' % ~ Proposal Contents r;~;~; 1. Certification and Release Forms (attached to this RFP). ~: ' 2. Cover Letter- 1 page maximum: Provide introduction of firm, interest in project, general ~, . = f expertise, headquarter location, primary experience, sub-consultant(s) (if applicable), etc. 3. Qualifications- 2 pages maximum: Include primary project team participants; brief biography including experience, accomplishments, past projects, area of expertise, team role, etc. 4. Approach- 5 pages maximum: Overview of project goals, proposed methods in achieving ~' ~- ~ goals, and general approach to this project. An outline/proposed scope of work, with an "~~ ~~ approximate timeline and budget, should be included. 5. Resumes- (1 page per member): Include primary team members, relevant experience, ~ ~' ~' ~, , similar past projects, etc. '~ Evaluation of Proposals ~ ~~ , ,; Consultant team will be chosen by a Selection Committee and ratified by City Council based on - '~ °''' abroad range of considerations including: ~' t Quality and completeness of proposal Experience and demonstrated success with similar projects ~ ~,~~ Understanding of project intent as described in the request for proposals • Multi-disciplinary skill set necessary to prepaze the various components of a `~, specific area plan ~~ ~~' Capabilities and experience of the Project Manager and primary team members ~` ~ assigned to the project ~~;Y; Ability to adhere to an agreed upon schedule; to complete project in timely and efficient manner ~':} Proven ability to produce a high quality and imaginative final product • Demonstrated passion for quality planning and community development ` Familiarity with the Treasure Valley and Meridian in particular •: Ability to successfully engage landowners, elected officials, government staff, developers, and the public. tip,; Supporting information may be requested during the selection process. Award of contract is ~` ~ contingent on final negotiations between selected team and the City. : -s~, . Proposal Submittal Please submit one (1) signed original, along with five (6) copies of completed proposals to: ~: ~', Meridian Planning Department ~~~~'`'~ Attn: Matt Ellsworth ~' , ~ 66V ~. Watertower, aulte ZUZ Meridian, ID 83642 ;: # ~?M1~~:n,; ~'s 7 ~3 ~ ~ ~.. i F `yam t s~:,, ,. Y 3 ' G T / . r I ~ t . o i •,;td,. am,. x ~ x ~, ~ I SMr r H,sC,,sr :e a ~ .}.`•r'~'7.e..,'. `~;::t` i '~1 t 1 , 1 i 'V'4M',.g1.Y ~.•,,' ~ ~ rl . ~ . L • ' ~.~`a: ;7 w . ip2 >.~- a 'Y`~'• ~'~£ ' .^` '.r ',fF• iY '(~' .%~r'.. `~ M +~'Y'i ,. 4- ,,i ~ M ,q, y , a & ~# ~ ~~"' z 'r ~~' ?~ a~ : 2 ,, ~{ ,~~.u ,Ib ~ vry~ .K ,a~' ° # ~ F ~ 7 ;' ~ s .. c. . v ~~y ,t .• , _ - . y11 s ~ a. ..,, . ~. " ~.. rt{° Y~, ~S, t <s, "~s~YiF~r" , ~:i ' ~ ~ ~` ~~• :Vr-ai~"`'- y y F .~! ~?; :"^.h~ir:;'~s'n: C?' I ~' I} ~j ~ N ~ .: `~'..{ .:4."3 `'=y :.5 r ~ Y I ~ ++ ~' ' . n 5 l :aw ""`_^~ . 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';" -, .L ily;~.-irk :.c~r~~ ~.. ~< h'r ~ i4' j` n ~ .x S` ~.; _. ~~ `;; "< ~, ~.~.4 -'y A ~_ 4 `i-u' „f p.": i'i b ~y ~~ ~; r.:'J ka' ¢:, ~;r ,~. ^` ~S.. ¢~'' '1 !: ii Rll i ,.q,7 }i { n U All materials should be submitted on or before 12:00 p.m. on Friday Apri128, 2006. Proposals received after 12:00 p.m. on Friday April 28, 2006, will not be considered regardless of postmark date. Interview, if needed will be held on May 19, 2006. The City anticipates issuing a notice to proceed to the selected team on Wednesday, June 14, 2006. 6 ~ra ~~ a x~ ~ r; ~ r ~ ~~ 37r ~ Y 3 ~ t z~ M ~~~ Ur •i r 4Q~~ T'~ '£~ ~"'i' A ~' i r ~'~ ~NF~~~~.. z ~'{ ~s ~ * ' 4 ~ {~~ -5 x ~'~ ? fi I s „ ~ ` ~ ~ b L ~ n.~ Y ~.'..: _~ . ' ~ ~ ~~ k ~ ~ ~ l.. b fl k. a , ~a -, ~* ~,y,~fq -: x ~~y,~ ~ ~ .~ ~ 5 ~,* , ~ ufJ k . v~ t ~ 2: ~ ~ h9~ '~'`' ' 1 i~tc ~.-~i ~ h1 +~ .. . ' ~'`i i ~ ~7 ~. ` '7k ., y~. y~ . ~ `~ . ~ ~ ~ a ,t^ r { t ~"~ { # .:, ~~~ ~'k ~x wR '~,~'J: ~. t~~ / ~ L~f A ~~ ` ~ r k ~ , 'v~f ~ -t ~~~ , ~ m ~A ?~ Fvy~~',. ~~ . ~_ ~:. :: ,; __ ~: ~Y ,:;~ r:; ;~ ;,~ ~. ~; fl r ~, : , ~g, I, ~s.l y,.., I ,.,..~ S ti - Certification The Submitter must also include the signed Release form attached hereto. Submitters should be aware that any information submitted to the City maybe subject to public disclosure, and that the contents of the submittal may be used in a legal contract or agreement. Submitters should be aware that methods and procedures proposed could become contractual obligations. All documents required by this Request for Proposals must be attached to this form. The person signing this form certifies that he or she is authorized to sign this proposal on the company's behalf. Date: "Submitter" By: Title: 7 Y l'`~" I ~ ~ ~tr f ~Yt y(rat yy.~y ~:.z. ~Y ~rj.. ~ a'.4h~,$,~ ~~. ~r F~ ~ tl ~ "K~i VIVI ,F~y~ r N; .~; ~> ~k't , ,. &;:~k t ~ ,:- r. ~ ~ y'.Z. ~~,, x ~.sr~,: ~ v ~ ~.: ~~` _; I e', r ~' ~ I~ ~ T`~-v kF ~v 'I? ~ ~r _~ ~ ~ ~y t ,;' s ~ ~„~ ~. ~ _ ~ ~~ ~~ ~1 ~~ '~~ ~ ; ~ ~~ ~~ + ~ ~ ~~ x E ~ y f ` ,~, za:' ~<~ .~ ~ ~ ~ ,, ~ ;~` I~ ,~''~; ~~~ ~,~~. ~ .. ~ ~~ i1~3 ,~ y I _. ', +.<: ~; U~~ RELEASE The undersigned has read and fully accepts the City of Meridian's ("City"), discretion and non- liability as stipulated herein, and expressly for, but not limited to, the City's decision to proceed with a selection process in response to the Request for Proposals. A. Discretion of the City: The City reserves the right in its sole discretion and judgment for whatever reasons it deems appropriate to, at any time: ~" :.' (1) modify or suspend any and all aspects of the process seeking interested ~ $ . ~` ~ consultants to perform the services herein referred to as the Request for Proposals ~P)~ ~.~. (2) obtain further iniFormation from any person, entity, or group, including, but not limited to, any person, entity, or group responding to the City's RFP (any such person, entity, or group so responding is, for convenience, hereinafter referred to ~~:,, r as Submitter), and to ascertain the depth of Submitter's capability and desire to ` perform services for the City and in any and all other respects to meet with and . a I consult with any Submitter or any other person, entity, or group; ::-' (3) waive any formalities or defects as to form, procedure, or content with respect to its RFP and any responses by any Submitter thereto; ~:' ""r (4) accept or reject any statement and/or fee proposal received in response to the ~' RFP, including any statement or fee proposal submitted by the undersigned, or ~'`'' select any one submission over another, r ~a;~, (5) accept or reject all or any part of any materials, plans, unplementation programs, schedules, phasings, and proposals or staxements, including, but not limited to, the nature and type of proposal. ~" B. Non-Liability of the City of Meridian. f.:;,; The undersigned agrees that the City of Meridian shall not have any liability whatsoever of any kind or character, directly or indirectly, by reason of all or any decision made at the discretion of the City of Meridian, as identified above. ~: ;; Submitter z 'I r'' {;:ei By: ~` Title: Date: 8 4, ~ - -, ~, ~. ~, ~ :. ~r ~ t<.:.: ~, ..~ ~~ a~'~-`. Ir~~{ ~ ~ ~ ~a ~ ^Fl~j J~' r+`Y i~r< '~~'} t 2n 'gRff':. a, la~'~T r ''P K~~ 3,!F, 4 'S 1? t~ ~ xt I~"'~ ~`: Q ~_ A'e' - ~ ~ ~"n ~' t i7' ~ ~ ~_ 3~ ~, M1y Y7k - ~ ~ ~ I..'. . ri A ~'.1 i ~r9 ~liG~L. ~~ i ( t ~ ~~ ~y ]] h i ti4d _ F., , 13Y : .-- i~1,1 ~, a , F ~ ~ ~ ~ ~. ~1.. ~ F y~.._ ' . ~ ~°, ~. .. _. .. 6e .. -t. ~* '~-°'~ ~,d ~t 'tea kN ,~.~ Y ~ r ~ ~' ~'~ c~~v cm '''' C~eri~ir~n ~ti v t 1D.4H~J j w :i', ~~~FS ,~~ ~'~w 7' _ ewx' ~Na 2 ~ -_. ~; Request for Qualifications DATE: March 20, 2006 SUBJECT: {~ .:' ~; t-: ~ ~ yz ° ~• •. ; t~.~, ~ ° ~` i o. ' . S yr '~ ~ ;~. ~t - sj. ~," s ~ ra.~ ^:ry ~~c r ~ Ji;~ w~. 'a"~. • .A My <'~ } R qk' [ ft S~ f x x r"/~ r'y c i L ~~;yl~7~f 1111ffff `~ { - ~~•.~ # ~ ti { :~ '3Y .~..~4 ... Irk '~ ~4k, ~~ ~ 5 L k r~~ +~ C~ :i ` V y~ n ERi!`~r rrr .~ ? c Y` ~ i w' f~ { ~, ~ >.s -~ ~~+ ..a ~.: <5. ~~ ,~ t ~ iF3~f . ~l: r - ~ ' ,? t . ~. ,rri ~ ~ ~- r x ~rJ. ., ~ ~. ~ ,, ~ - ,z „ ~ "? w ~ ~' ~~ ~ r ~, P ~- City of Meridian Industrial Lands Study and Assessment A Introduction The City of Meridian seeks a qualified consultantlconsulting team to prepare an Industrial Lands Study and Assessment for the City Area of Impact, including proposed expansion areas. IndividuaUteam should possess extensive experience in market analysis, land use planning, economic/community development and related disciplines. A strong marketing background is also highly desirable. B. Scope of Services 1. Existing Inventory Compile a database (Access) and corresponding maps that includes the following fields: 1) vacant or developed; 2) currently zoned industrial; 3) availability of sewer services; 4) availability of water services; 5) City of Meridian comprehensive plan designation; 6) assessors parcel number/address; and 7) the nature of the industry-does it best fit in our Light Industrial District or Heavy Industrial District. 2. Market Needs/Opportunity Assessment Conduct a regional industrial needs assessment including: - potential expanding or relocating businesses - the nature of those industries-Light Industry or Heavy Industry - those best suited andlor most likely to locate within the study area. 3 . Appropriateness of Existing Inventory Identify current industrial sites with potentially more appropriate or logical land use designations based on adjacent uses, market demand, transportation access, pollution concerns, etc. Conversely, identify curreirt non-industrial sites that are potentially more appropriately or logically developed for industrial uses. 4. Non-Compatible Areas Identification Sites adjacent or in close proximity to current or potentiaUsuggested industrial areas that, based on more appropriate potential uses, necessity as buffers, and other site-specific characteristics, should not be re zoned to allow industrial uses. 5. Future Sites Based on Scope Items 1,2, and 3, produce a list of potentiaUsuggested industrial areas based on current and planned adjoining land uses, current and planned sewer and water facilities, proximity to transportation facilities, market demand, etc. Differentiate the future sites between light and heavy industrial uses. `-_ . _ • r rr ,b ,~ , -~~' C. Budget and Timeline ~:: The City anticipates a budget of $10,000.00 to $20,000.00 for this project. Negotiations ~~ will determine the final contract amount. Planning process is scheduled (tentatively) to ~:. ~; ; begin by June 1, 2006. Anticipated project duration is three months and should be ~ `` completed by August 3l, 2006 D. Evaluation Criteria Consultant team will be selected by City Staff/Council based on a broad range of Fi.4~. considerations including but not necessarily limited to the following: • Quality and completeness of proposal -`~~3' Experience with similar projects • Understanding of project intent as described in the request for proposals • Capabilities and experience of the Froject Manager and primary team members assigned to the project `' Ability to adhere to an agreed upon schedule and budget; to complete project in ~, timely and efficient manner • Proven ability to produce a high quality and useful final product ', Familiarity with industrial land use needs and market conditions. Supporting information may be requested during the selection process. Award of contract is contingent on final negotiations between selected team and the City. ,r ;~ t:.;, y .,, E. Submittal Requirements . = ~ Individuals and teams interested in responding to this request are encouraged to prepare ` ~ statements comprised of the following: 1. Cover letter describing interest in this project, arealindustry specific experience, past ~~ :~~ accomplishments and/or additional relevant information. (1 page maximum) ~~'' ` ;: 2. Description of approach to this study. An outline in a form similar to a scope of In work, with timeline, should be included. (4 pages maximum) s4~-,k~ 3. Introduction and brief biography of consultant and (if applicable) each primary team ' member. Please include proposed roles and level of participation. (2 pages ,`,.;;>' maximum -Total; not per-team member) >~ ~f 4. Resume(s) of primary team member(s). 3 ~~ !~~' F. Procedures far Submittal ~, ` ~;• For consideration, please send/deliver submittals to: ~ 7 ~"'~ City of Meridian Planning Department 660 E. Watertower, Ste. 202 "~ ~ Meridian, ID 83642 t Please include one (1) original and four (4) copies in accordance with section E. ~ Materials are to be submitted no later than 5:00 p.m. on April 21, 2006. Submittals i t ~~~ received after 5:00 p.m. on April 21, 2006, will not be considered regardless of ¢,.~,.'.r~ postmark date. ~:~: ;: ~° ~.~.. :,, ..:~: > ~ 1 ` a ' ~ i N ~ " ~ a ~ rti ~ 'R 2e~£' r a v. i r ~ a ; 9 ,~ ~Y r y}t''3 $'' ~ ~°'"s k ~ s,~ 4 ... ~ ~~`'~ r ~ ~` n ,~~`~~" ~ - c r ~ F`?y~~~~s ~x . i. }sk a#' ~ ~ c f (F«}` ,. .t' ~ 'ix'~N,d~ ' ~ , ~ fi ;~ !; " 4 ., , x „ . r L;Pr~L~ f r Ty5 yi ~'- In,~~'f x 4.ti .• ` j ,,'ly,'.;: bq'; i ~ ~ ~ , ~ -' ~ E. .~ 3 i~ ~ a2 n ,yrp `" ~i<•5 ~ x 4~ ri . :. ` 'a` . ~ . t j .. ~a~ ' y , ~, ~'Q, Sy,~~ ~ ' : 1 4 ;S .,y, '~lY~' ~ 4 , ~ Y h ' . ~~r~~~~ .c4 . . ~ ` Y t2f .i 4 ~~,, . . 4:'ti ' ' ~~M i' n •' I ~ ~ I '4f•~> a ' 'a , .r C.: :•Ly .}$!Yr~ ••'Sk.k ,~, .r~ ~k ~ 4 . ~ ~ i ~ ', : : !'~`T `. J • i SS?:u +F~ ' S•y ~ L{. 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I . . a . ,F. . .a 1~ , c ^.f. " . . 1 yawn. . ~ 4 1..: . i .V t. F~~, ,~ ~ ~ Certification ~;. ,. ; . ! The Submitter must also include the signed Release form attached hereto. ~; ' G~ , "~` Submitters should be aware that any information submitted to the City maybe subject to public ;' , disclosure, and that the contents of the submittal may be used in a legal contract or agreement. '- ~' Submitters should be aware that methods and procedures proposed could become contractual obligations. ~ '' All documents required by this Request for Proposals must be attached to this form. The person ~; signing this form certifies that he or she is authorized to sign this proposal on the company's -# behalf. ~.<~.:: ~,. r ~.~ _- Date: 'I ~~ ~;;: ~:: ~; ;t ~'. y ~ _i :~:' ;r~r; i,~l' t,. "Submitter" By: Title: ~ ~~f ~ , ~~ ~~ ~{j°-~ ~rt ~v3" 1 *M, w ~,,~.:, i ' ~f i 'k 2i`1t' v} .~ t~t- ~ ~, n`ti :, ~ ~ ~ ix-~_ ~ _ . , fw 7 ` ~ ~~ I '~~ 7~ {~6 K *~~~ I: ~ 9y1ry S i ~I - ~ ~ti«~ i~Sr ^" ~: .. :~' ~ ~~~~~~ ,,~ ~ ~ , ~ ~~~~ + " { i~;t er i~ra@ i~ ~ S ~ T r T ~~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ , _ ~; x ~ ti~ ~.. ~~: i ~h ~ y , RELEASE The undersigned has read and fully accepts the City of Meridian's ("City"), discretion and non- liability as stipulated herein, and expressly for, but not limited to, the City's decision to proceed with a selection process in response to the Request for Proposals. A. Discretion of the City: The City reserves the right in its sole discretion and judgment for whatever reasons it deems appropriate to, at any time: S ;, ~;<;~, .., ~~: ,_ t ~, (1) modify or suspend any and all aspects of the process seeking interested consultants to perform the services herein referred to as the Request for Proposals ~P)~ (2) obtain further information from any person, entity, or group, including, but not limited to, any person, entity, or group responding to the City's RFP (any such person, entity, or group so responding is, for convenience, hereinafter referred to as Submitter), and to ascertain the depth of Submitter's capability and desire to perform services for the City and in any and all other respects to meet with and consult with any Submitter or any other person, entity, or group; (3) waive any formalities or defects as to form, procedure, or content with respect to its RFP and any responses by any Subrnitter thereto; (4) accept or reject any statement and/or fee proposal received in response to the `~ RFP, including any statement or fee proposal submitted by the undersigned, or T, A - select any one submission over another, (5) accept or reject all or any part of any materials, plans, implementation programs, schedules, phasings, and proposals or statements, including, but not limited to, the nature and type of proposal. .,,r ,n~ , B. Non-Liability of the City of Meridian. ~;:,. , ' "' The undersigned agrees that the City of Meridian shall not have any liability whatsoever of any kind or character, directly or indirectly, by reason of all or any decision made at the discretion of the City '' ~ of Meridian, as identified above. ;~ ,~~.~~ ~ Submier ~:~:.~ -:, `-~ x `::. By: Title: Date: ~~1 ~~~ { F j ~ n ~ hSY s t ~'~k~r it Y +: ~i~, c'~ * i ,,,~ iba ~ 2 ~ Y 1 ~; ~ s~ ~: ., ~ ~'~ y {+ 9~ ~ C ..:-i'r~' d~ ~~ `S,~ ~ ri. Y N IhF:, `~ :,Eit i 7h, is !~ --> ~ ~ ,~. p i ~ ; ~ ~ a ~~` ' ~ . ~: _ ..~4, 1 '7 &~ a x-~~f~.: ~~ y]'~~~~~hxyx ~ ~ s ~r 4} ~, 'd~~ ~~f~. ~~ t ~ ,--_ ~. , ~ ~~ ,. ~- 1, ~ ~ 44 t a o'ff'` ~' .y :.x ~'~y}5;. r'.' ~' 1 ~ °, t~~ # ' 5 d ~ 7 t E ~ ~ I1-~H: ,~ <.i 3 ~y~ " t ~'~r Y~d~ .. ~ ~'. R'. ' s ^C. ~ r ~, Co r' . < rri. ~ ~ h d t L Z ( r i ~ ,, r y"~-