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1989 12-12 A G E N D A MERIDIAN PLANNING & ZONING DECENIDII2 12,1989 MINUPFS OF THE PREVIOUS MEETING HELD N(R7II~IBEER 14, 1989: (APPROVED) MIN[Ti'ES OF THE SPECIAL MEEPING HEIR N(n7II"IDER 27, 1989: (APPROVED) 1: PUBLIC HEARING: PRELINDI~IARY PLAT ON MERIDIAN MANOR 6 & 7: (APPROVE PRELIM. PLAT) 2: PUBLIC HEARING: PRET,IMINARY & FINAL PLAT ON (ELF VIEW ESTATES: (RECOMMENDED APPROVAL) MERIDIAN PLANNING & ZONING DECEMBER 12, 1989 The Regular Meeting of the Meridian Planning & Zoning Commission was called to order by Chairman Jim Johnson at 7:30 p.m.: Members Present: Jim Shearer, Tim Hepper, Moe Alidjani, Charles Rountree: Others Present: Dewaine Kuehl, Wanda Lounsbury, Ellen Peterson, Mariann Himerich, Dennis Marshall, George Davis, Lyle Larkin, Craig R George Davis, Mrs. George Davis, Bill Briggs, Wayne Crookston, Jack Riddlemoser, Wayne Skiver: The Motion was made by Alidjani and seconded by Rountree to approve the Minutes of the previous meeting held November 14, 1989 as written: Motion Carried: All Yea: The Motion was made by Shearer and seconded by Alidjani to approve of the Minutes of the Special Meeting held November 27, 1989 as written: Motion Carried: All Yea: ITEM #1: PUBLIC HEARING: PRELIMINARY PLAT ON MERIDIAN MANOR 6 & 7: Johnson: Is there a representative present to represent this, if so please come forward state your name, and be sworn. William W. Briggs, with Briggs Engineering, 1111 So. Orchard, Boise, was sworn by the attorney. Briggs: I have read the comments and have been in touch with your City attorney and Mr. Smith. We are now in contact with the Bureau of Reclamation concerning any agreements and discussion that we may have to have with them. We have no problem with any of the requirements that have been made by the agencies that replyed. The development is not a new development it's a revision of the preliminary plat that has had five previous final plats filed. The reason for the application for review was to eliminate a bridge that was determined to be undesirable to cross the drain ditch that runs through the center of the property. I'd be pleased to answer any questions. Rountree: In Blk #7 Lots 21-A, 28 & 43, what's to become of those. Briggs: We may trade that property with the Bureau of Reclamation or if not if we go with a lot that would abutt the street. The City Engineer has asked us to extend from the culdesac on up to the northerly right of way of the property so that it could enter the property or serve the property to the north. Rountree: In lots 43 & 28 in that same block on Meridian Rd. Briggs: They will not be included in the plat of #7, the developer thinks at this point, we don't know what the use of those would be. 2t might be something other than the single family. Hepper: I was wondering about the multi family and the duplex lots, some of them seen to be scattered around. Is there any particular reason for that. Briggs: To my knowledge there are no other uses than single family other than the lots Mr. Rountree refered to. This is in error, this does not apply. That was a note left over it does not apply. MERIDIAN P&Z DECEMBER 12, 1989 PAGE #2 Hepper: Then there are no Multi-family. Briggs: No. Johnson: Is there anyone from the public who wishes to address the Commission on this issue. Please come forward and state your name and be sworn. Lyle Larkin, 1990 N. Meridian, was sworn by the attorney. Larkin: I just want to voice my concerns on the continued growth out there. Your not developing to the south, why aren't we developing out that way. If we put in another 102 homes, how many students will that add to the schools, is the tax base going to be enough to pay for our new schools, or are they going to be raising mine again another 25~. I haven't seen that many new jobs coming in that we need another 102 homes. We need sidewalks down to Albertson's, and I think we need to move a little slower and look at other areas. I am in the City but you can't supply me with a sewer line. The traffic on Meridiar~Rd. is rediculous. Alidjani: We appreciate your concerns. #1 we don't have jurisdiction on a sidewalk, ACRD has the jurisdiction for the road. The speeding is irrelevant to our issue, if you do allow a subdivision to go by you, it's the developer who pays for those sewer lines, so the sewer could be available sometime in the future for you. The City does not have any money to provide sewer for people, it's the developer that has to provide the sewer. We are creating jobs in the City. Larkin: You said you do not have the police jurisdiction out there? Alidjani: Planning & Zoning does not. Police Department has authority within their boundaries, but that's out of my jurisdiction to even talk about. Johnson: I travel that every day and your right the speed limit is not observed, it is posted 35 MPH. Shearer: In ACRD conditions for this subdivision they put provide curb, gutter and 5' sidewalk and match paving on the road. There will be sidewalks, curbs & gutters in front of that subdivision. Larkin: As I understand it these are the same people that did the one to the south, right, and there is no curbs & gutters there. Johnson: One of the functions of Planning & Zoning is to gather information and pass it along to the City Council so that they can have some input prior to their decision making process. Wanda Lounsbury, 2785 N. Meridian Rd., was sworn by the attorney. Lounsbury: That road is in a deplorable state already, think about the increase in traffic on that road if this goes in. It's falling apart and the increase in traffic will make it worse. I think somebody ought to do something. Johnson: There was no further testimony, I will close the public hearing. The Motion was made by Rountree and seconded by Shearer to approve the preliminary plat, with the condition that they do look at the traffic volumes on Meridian Rd. and that MERIDIAN P & Z • • DECEMBER 12, 1989 PAGE #3 they recommend to ACFID to put a potential project on Meridian Rd. in their budgetary process. Motion Carried: All Yea: Shearer: The reason Cherry Lane got done is because of all the subdivisions on that road. ITEM #2: PUBLIC HEARING: PRELIMINARY & FINAL PLAT ON GOLF VIEW ESTATES: Johnson: If there is a representative from this request please come forward and be sworn by the attorney. Mr. Crookston will be stepping down on this issue. Jack Riddlemoser is our Counsel. Dennis Marshall, was sworn by the attorney. Marshall: The idea with Golf View Estates is to provide Meridian with a very first class subdivison, with lots 2Z lots to the acre, around 10,000 sq. ft. and up in most cases. we have aburm designed in the front that will have trees and shrubs out in front. Our minimum would be 1700 sq. ft. and hopefully around $95 to 100,000 for a minimum home to go up. Alidjani: Have you seen all the recommendations from all the other agencies. Marshall: Yes, we have no problems. Rountree: Have you settled your disagreement with Settlers Canal. Marshall: Yes sir, everything is handled. Rountree: Does that include covering the ditch that runs between your subdivision and Cherry Lane. Marshall: We are not covering that ditch, just the front section. Johnson: I will open the Public Hearing, if there is someone from the public who would like to address this issue, please come forward and be sworn. George Davis, was sworn by the attorney. Davis: I want to congratulate Mr. Larkin for voiceing his opinion, and I would agree 1008. I have a problem with that burm, I think it is the most dangerous type of thing that could be built along the road. We live accross the street from it. We also get water out of Settler's Irrigation ditch and I don't have any faith in this pipe they are putting in. They were unwilling to agree to any liquidated damages for time that water has to be out of the ditch to be repaired. Jchnson: Who did you talk to on that? Davis: The developers. Then they have an access road directly in front of our house, the lights come directly into our bedroon window. I am here to basically beg you people not to allow this to happen. Alidjani: Can you show me where on the map that the exist comes and they can see through your window. MERIDIAN P & Z . • DECEMBER 13, 1989 Page #4 The P & Z Members took a look at the map. Johnson: It appears that the road is slightly east of your home. Davis: Directly head on with the headlights. Shearer: Your driveway is a circle driveway, right. It doesn't look like it lines up exactly. Turning to the west towards town you might get a flash of light. Davis: Most of the traffic going east. Equal amount of traffic going both ways. It's this all night long stuff. What has been done to alleviate this stuff like we've encountered here by not being notified until the trees are removed and the road is being bedded. Johnson: That was a simple error. The burden of notifying the people within the 300 feet falls upon the applicant not us. Davis: You give me this, but how would we know the difference between that and fraud. Johnson: We wouldn't but I've looked into this and I am convinced that it was a simple error. Davis: Will there be anything done in the future to notify the folks. Johnson: We make every effort to notify the people. Dwaine Kuehl, was sworn by the attorney. Kuehl: I am the other party that lives on the south side of Cherry Lane, 4365 & 4375, this entrance to this subdivision is not in front of my place but if we are starting over again why can't this entrance be moved, it only has to move one lot to the right or two lots to the left and it's in front of pasture land. The burm is not shown on the map, there is nothing in the covenants that say it has to be maintained. I would like to see something stronger, I don't care to look at a fence or a weed patch like what is out at Cherry Lane. There are any number of places where entrances could be made without impacting on the people that are already living there. I would hope that in the future some consideration be given to the people that are already living there. Alidjani: Are you to the east or the west of George's house. Kuehl: West. Shearer: If we moved that drive over a lot the only place we could move it would be to the east and if we moved it a lot to the east we'd be setting the next persons side up for the same problem. Kuehl: No, there is a pasture there, there is a pasture on the east side of George there is a pasture on the west side and there is a pasture on the west side of the road. Rountree: I just wondered if the developer had considered that option of shifting Lot 2 of Blk 1 into Blk 2. Marshall: In working with ACHD you can't just put the entrance any place that you want MERIDIAN P & Z • • DECEMBER 1Z, 1989 PAGE Ii5 to. Our original drawing that we brought in the entrance was not where it is now. We discovered we couldn't have it there because you had to be 125 ft. from these streets so we had to move it where it is now for ACHD, that was not our original choice of where to have the entrance. Rountree: Was the originalparcel on there,was a driveway at that location. Marshall: No sir. Alidjani: What can you tell us about the burm. Marshall: We did nothave a homeowners Association, the City Council insist that we have a homeowners association. The reason for the homeowners association was for the burm, so that there will be someone paying for the water and the cutting of the entrance. Hepper: On the restrictive covenants is there any way that the homeowners can vote not to maintain that burm. Marshall: I would assume that they could. Hepper: How much are the dues going to be. Marshall: I don't know, we will be paying it the first year. Riddlemoser: Does your covenants make mention of the homeowners association for the purpose of maintenance. Marshall: Yes sir. Hepper: How far east of Mr. Davis's house is the next house. Davis: 200 to 250 ft. Kuehl: The 125 feet can go any direction. There was further discussion. Mrs. George Davis, was sworn by the attorney. Mrs. Davis: I would just like to ask Mr. Johnson to come out to the house in the evening, all those lights from the workman are now coming in our front window as well as the bedroom. Johnson: It just looked to me that the road was slightly to the east. Hepper: Is there any shrubs or trees that would help. Mrs. Davis: We have all kinds of trees. Johnson: Being no one else fromthe public who wishes to testify we will close the Public Hearing. MERIDIAN P & Z • • DECEMBER 12, 1989 PAGE ll6 The Motion was made by Alidjani and seconded by Shearer to recommend to the City Council that they approve the preliminary & final plat on Golf View Estates. Motion Carried: All Yea: Johnson: We need to clear up the zoning of the Chetwood property. It was not zoned properly. We need to correct that. The other thing we need to address is the length of culdesac's. There was discussion among the Commission. There will be public hearing on the culdesacs. The Motion was made by Shearer and seconded by Alidjani to include the zoning change. Motion Carried: All Yea: Being no further business to come before the Commission the Motion was made by Shearer and seconded by Hepper to adjourn at 8:30 p.m.: (TAPE ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS) APPROVED: J-9_y'a I JOH ON, CHAIRMAN ATTEST: P&Z Members, Atty., City Engineer, Police, Bldg., Fire, Stuart, Ward, Hallett, Valley News, Statesman, ACHD, NMID, ACC, Gass, Settler's, CDH, Mail (2) File (Z)