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1978 03-13 Meridian Planning & Zoning Planning and Zoning Commission meeting opened for workshop. March 13, 1978 Members present: Lee Mitchell; Jim Kling; Annette Hinrichs; Don Sharp Chairman, Willard Rowley absent Presentation was given by APA Planner, Ray Hamilton. The APA is after interaction to discuss problems in the community and identification of the problem areas. Planning and Zoning Question: What does the 120 day period mean on the area of impact. APA Answer: Has to be adopted by ordinance; must have a bearing if there is a decrease in impact area and it has to be accomplished by ordinance. Survey: The intention was to show where Planning and Zoning attitudes stand in relation to community attitudes, it was iiot.meant to be scientif- ically precise but rather a general reflection. APA: There was a representative sample Ray Hamilton would leave up to Pat Joy to disprove. There was a good representative sample and a good response rate, error was down from 5~ to 3% or less, it was not pulled out of a hat. Worked with BSII on Survey, quality control and wording of the questionaire. It was a self administering questionaire. Self-administering questionaires are always more structured, could not be open ended, because computer does not work like that. Basically want to cover the various sections at this meeting, after community viewpoint and how Planning and Zoning perceives the City and its problems. Problems, physical nature of area in terms of what problems do you think you havey Example: Soil Conservation for analysis of area, a detailed soil survey. There are some problem areas due to soils that contain high water tables and soils that contain properties of hard pan and bedrock. Problems include the placement of water and sewer lines, dwellings and Industrial centers. Flood Plain has been recended by HUD. There is a copy of the letter, Planning and Zoning had requested to be excluded. Planning and Zoning Question: Is J-U-B Engineers supposed to give data oa on these types of physical problems? APA Answer: They will more than likely do a project by project detailed analysis. General: Carl E~.lsworth was supposed to be avaiable for this kind of analysis but the City Council has not decided to pay for this sort of thing. Mr. Ellsworth is supposed to be dropping in on meetings and help out with this project. Planning and Zoning should talk internally to decide what problem areas are. APA: Community Facilities - Example: Fire and Police protection Have all the standards been met? Do we have good police protection; has the Chief of Police been in and requested various things? Planning and Zoning: Only on bike paths, concerned with patrolling them if they were off streets. A possible problem is Motorcycles using them to get away from police and endangering pedestrians. Meridian Planning and Zoning .2. March 13, 19'78 APA Question: Has the Police Chief mentioned other areas, is he up to strength? Planning & Zoning Answer: Feeling is that he is working on that with the City Council but has not talked to Planning and Zoning per se APA Question: How does the citizens feel - do they feel there is adequate protection? Planning and Zoning Answer: The Police Chief's report showed crime down around 1']9~. Fire protection - the City is close to getting some paid full time people, it's going to be needed in the near future. School population is stable in Meridian at this time In the future it is realized that there will have to be as improvement in facilities; additional Police, Fire, Maintenance and City Hall personnel and equipment. APA: Category: Schools Planning and Zoning: Needs for schools is going to increases; there will be a need for new facilities. Problem is how to finance, need for a system where new growth pays for increase in new facilities. General feeling in all service areas - new growth should pay for a major portion of the expenses. APA: Need to identify problems before policies can be developed Planning and Zoning: Identification of problem with school growth is getting the schools located in the proper places, land for schools and financing. APA: School locations and sites should be purchased in advance of growth. General feeling: What about dedicating land Federal dollars for financing? Pat Joy Question: Can the Planning and Zoning require developers to dedicate land? Planning and Zoning Answer: Yes, but problem is who do you require it from? If subdivision is X or Y size, how do you make it fair to all the subdividers? APA: What you are looking at is that if you have an area that you know is going to develop to saturation and you are going to need an elementary school, then in your general plan you can designate a general area. You do not have to pinpoint rather, within this certain area if development at X density on X acres. Accordinly so we can fullfil those needs we need a site, developers will be willing to work with you. It gets down to implimentation, developers can dedicate the site, or give fees in lieu of a site, or you can work on policies that give some flexibility in terms of giving developers a break by density trade-offs. Example: Developers dedicate a part of or a full school site, a portion of money instead. Maybe the developer should be entitled to recoups some of the cost. The only way you can do that without giving some property is to increase his allowable density, give him a density trade-off. This concept can be used on more than just school sites; Parks, Open space bike ways, etc. It is not an all or take nothing situation. There are also land trades. Boise is doing that now. There are also combined sites; schools and parka. The cost is less prohibitive. Planning and Zoning should come in with a functional plan, a detailed facilities plan to include staging, phasing and then a capitol improve- ment program; list priorities and put them on a one to five year basis, list emplimentation and where financing is coming from. Meridian. Planning and Zoning 3 March 13, 1978 APA (cont'd): Need to avoid playing catch-up with lead time and lag time, when you are playing catch-up you cannot plan. F}nphasis on facilities plan and capitol improvement; facilities plan differs from general plan - it is more specific. Another functional plan would be parks and recreation; another is a detailed trans- portation plan. Need a logical progression of priorities as a City. Capital improve- ment is a one year-five year plan on where you want to go, your goals and objectives and their implimentation - plus what comes after that. A year to year update so that you have a long range plan, as well as a short range plan. An additional thought is a Cost/Benefit Analysis of busing of school children. General: Discussed implication of busing school children and whose problem it would be and if it could be effectively resolved by the community. APA: If there are costs paid by the community through tax dollars, more afficieat siting could reduce energy consumption, capitol outlay for operation and maintenance, personnel, etc. General: A general plan is not specific-what follows will be the functional, specific, plan to accomplish this. Someone will have to work with the various service agencies of the City- Fire, Schools, Sewage, Water, Police, etc. Each facility is a separate agency. APA: What we are taling about is indirect benefits and costs. There are savings if it is planned right. If it is not functional, feasible and serves some kind of purpose, some benefit. The point is to plan in advance for what needs arc - this highlights the need for specific recommendations. This is why we need problem identification for detailed plans. Example: Solid Waste - where is the land fill going to be? Is there going to be incc~patible uses? What about long term effects? Traffic patterns2 Planning and Zoning Question: How to get around exploding land costs for future City service needs. APA Answer: Purchase well in advance. Do not pinpoint any location but specify general locations. General: Discussion on land speculation, tax base, externalaties of public good and economics of public choice, government decisions and effect on business structure. Financing is the root of the problem. APA: Other areas listed, libraries, sewer and water, parks and recreation. Planning and Zoning Question: When does some service become adequate verses frills. APA: Other broad areas in terms of public facilities: public facilities plan is lacking, equality and magnitude of public facilities. Priority decisions will have to be made. Facilities should be studied in more detail. Capitol improvement plan should be developed. Problems anticipated with public growth. Planning and Zoning Question: Has the planners set out criteria for priorities? APA Answer: It 3s not the planners job to dictate what priorities are, our job is to say these are what our priorities are. For example: Capitol improvements; how do we do it, what is the best method for doing it. Start to define it, what federal fiuiding is available, state grants or funds timing for lining those things up to reduce lead time as much as possible. • Meridian Planning and Zoning .4. March 13, 1978 APA: Another area, Aesthetics General: Discussion: Don't go overboard, the City shouldn't have to design or maintain, costs are prohibitive, niceties. bcample: Visual quality, buffer zone, underground utility lines; depens on perspective, developer does not have to do it if the City does not require it. The City can foster that by incentive. Planning and Zoning has no way of demanding which trees to leave. Planning and Zoning Question: Other illustration of incentives APA Answer: There are a lot of things. Some flexability in terms of requirements, a relaxation of requirements or give something. It is a trade-off, you give them something if they give so much landscaping or they give a good design and we will relax X criteria here. Planning and Zoning Question: What would you give a industrial complex E~:ample: Nahas APA Answer: First, they do not have to pay for all of the trunk line going to their complex. The City participates in part of the bill. Seeond, another thing is the City pay for part of the cost of streets that go in if they do X and Y. Planning and Zoning:Question: We would be subsidizing them? APA Answer: No, you are not number one, your tax base is up, your employment base is up because of what your multiple ratio is that you gain everything back. It depends on if you want them there and how you want them there. How much is it going to cost them and what are you willing to pay and where are you willing to make the trade-offs. Another thought is a potential problem with defining what is Urban and Rural. Need specific standards as well as philosophical intent. What is rural, what is urban if we can get it defined then there will be less problems in the future. Another area-solid waste management, what will the landfill of the future Look like; will we use Ada County land fill; what about the traffic patterns for the trucks. Suggestion Committees come together and put ideas on paper. Planning and Zoning: Draft a letter bringing all committees when have had input, to Planning and Zoning, together to draft policy statements; Need copies of proposed inputs from all interested parties. Draft letter to community interest groups. Will turn things to Pat Joy to draft a letter to Steve Gratton, Community Development Committee; Bill Ames, Traffic Committee; Wally Lovan, Industrial Committee; Optimist's; School Board; Senior Citizen's; Meridian Ministerial Association; Agricultural Committee through County Agent Doran Peterson; and Chairman of the Dairy Board. APA: Next meeting will have some policies Planning and Zoning Question: What are the rest of the APA catagories? APA Answer: Historical; Archaeological; Housing; Deteriorization; mix; demand, vacancy rate; Growth - is Meridian influenced by Boise market in terms of labor force and rapid growth rate; transportation for circulation conflicts, i.e, traffic patterns and grade crossing at railroads. Would like Planning and Zoning to make a list. Other questions, areas of concern and ideas to think about. Meridian Planning and Zoning ,5, March 13, 1978 APA Answer (Cont'd) Transportation, bicycle and pedestrian walkways, equestrian network highways incompatible with certain uses - noise levels, what about areas of transition. Staging and road construction - is the grid system the best way to go; do you need a road every mile; is it most efficient. How about problems with resource or energy; orientation of housing and future solar energy - are homes orientated North and South. What about problems of through traffic patterns - what about re-routing, General: Discussion of effects of traffic flows. APA: Are regulations adequate - are they in the ordinances, urban design, functional and specific plan. Planning and Zoning Question: Problem of how do you change present land use patterns. APA Answer: The market place will decide you cannot dictate but you can give guidelines, this gives business stability for investment because areas are designated for certain uses through zoning. Would like Planning and Zoning to write down and identify problems. APA will also list more areas at next meeting - would also like input from City Council and other interested groups to get abroad view paint. Need input by next week to consolidate and coordinate responses. Workshop meeting adjourned 10:10 P.M, Planning and Zoning Commission __ Attest: -' ~ , ~ t ,~~a~~%' i.7Jl i~ ATRICK , Actin~8ecretaxy ~~~ cc: Mayor & Council;P&Z Commission;Hein;Stuart;Schoen; Ann;Welker;Shults;Fitzgerald;Hamilton;J-U-B Minutes, C'~.p r a.h End i ua. ~'1 Matz. _. _. / ~~~ j` 3-~~ 7d March 20th Hearing before P & Z MAR 1 3 ~gjg COMMENTS J Conditional Use Nourse's Third Addition 14 East Carlton Request: Formerly a Church, Now requesting by Mr. & Mra Edwon F. Jones to convert to Office uee. 1. Fire Department: Not recommending approval unless all remodelling is done in accordance with Uniform Building and Fire & Live Saving Codes. 2. Mr. Howell and Mr. Laing, have indicated that they did not sign the Fetition. 3. Meridian Post Office: No comment 4. Richard Williams: The Senior Citizens have expressed a desire to secure uee of thin build- ing for their facility. as you know they have nothing in Meridian. would like to see this property used by them and not for office. 5. Nampa Meridian Irrigation District: The developer should submit a drainage plan to them for approval Aerald J, Cox City Clerk Sec. of P. & Z. .r, ~:- ,__ ~~rt~ ~t ~,.wn . ~r zr~c 'i .... _., ~. ~ ~. 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