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Meridian Planning and Zoning April 10, 1978
Meeting with City Council and the Planning and Zoning called to order by Chairman
Willard Rowley.
Richard Williams stated that the purpose of this meeting was to discuss problems
that the Council and the Commission might have that can be discussed.
These meetings should be held regularly to see how things are going and preclude
any problems that might come up. This meeting could be used to share some thoughts
about whatever should be addressed.
The matter of the minimum lot size was discussed.
Mr. Glaisyer stated that he had contacted Planning and Zoning to tell them to come
up with a recommendation to the City Council to solve this problem.
Minimum Lot size needs to be addressed. This is mentioned as in example, the
Franklin Square matter that was acted upon recently in relation to density.
Mr. Glaisyer stated that the average Subdivision is about 8,000 feet.
Long, narrow lots need to be avoided; thus there should be a minimum lot frontage•
Also, it was indicated that there seemed to be an oveDeupply of inexpeensive homes
in Meridian on a ratio basis (Low cost against high cost).
Larger lots tend to create larger and better built homes.
There was the question raised as to whether $60,000 - $80,000 homes had a ready
market in the Meridian area.
Mr. Sharp stated that in meeting the minimum lot size that they were addressing
only one part of a complex problem. He felt that this matter might better wait until
the Comprehensive Plan is completed so that proper ordinances and regulations could
be formed to settle all matter of proposalai
Multiplex, Town House, Condominium, zero lot lines, what density, single family, etc.
Mr. Sharp continued that if you set $5,000 as a single family thea should $109000
be for a duplex and $15,000 for a triplex. This does not seem reasonable and becomes
difficult to give a guide calculation.
Mr. Williams raised the question as to what procedures could be made until
Comprehensive Plan is completed.
Mr. Sharp stated that it is difficult to react to something that has taken place
at some prior time. We need to see that it does not happen again.
Mr. Kling stated that they might get with Mr. Hamilton of APA to perhaps address
this matter.
Mr. Sharp explained that the Commission was only about 75 days or so away from
having a Comprehensive Plan. They might only be 45 days away, then policies and
ordinances can be addressed.
Mr. Williams stated that he thought some parameters and time schedules should be
set up for the several methods of development covered by Meridian.
All should know the ground rules and the Commission and the Council should have
adequate time to consider impartial matters before a final judgement. He felt also
that these scheduled hearings should be published in the paper to alert the public
by a notice with a broad general discription of what is to be covered.
Mr. Sharp stated that rules need to have some flexibility and cannot be hard and fast.
Mr. Williams stated that adequate time should be provided for review.
Mayor Storey stated that he felt that care should be taken on review of platts and
specifications - not to give him the "green light" all the way only to have his
matter tabled at the end. Care should be extended all along the line of hearings
and judgements toward a good finished product.
The City Clerk and Mr. Joy are to continue working on these matters. Mr. Hamilton
of APA is to assist also.
Meridian Planning and Zoning .2. April 10, 1978
Mr. Hamilton and Mr. Collins presented a draft of a letter by the Commission and
by the Mayor to Mr. B. T. Nahas together with schedules of surveys of this area.
This is to alert Mr. Nahw4the Treasure Valley Shopping Center Developer, to the
fact that the Meridian Planning and Zoning is Planning growth around the fact that
he is anticipated to begin construction on his land South of town. All this
information is to be placed in a packet and delivered to Mr. Nahas in Castro Valley
on Wednesday, April 19, 1978.
Mr. Hamilton and Mr. Collins explained the analysis of Meridiane recent survey as
of March 13, 1978. This is on file in the Comprehensive Plan File (B5-1) and will
be sent in the packet to Mr. Nahas - a copy of the sewer map will also be sent.
Minimum lot size was discussed.
Mr. Hamilton read from a book written by a lawyer concerning lot size.
He stated that it is difficult to address lot sizes without considering other
related problems. You need some flexibility. Costs of housing has increased
very rapidly through the years and land prices are extremely high. Land must be
used to its fullest potential.
The Motion was made by Don Sharp and seconded by Burl Pipkin that the Commission
recommend to the City Council that any consideration of minimum lot size be
deferred until the Comprehensive Plan is completed and the City is ready to adopt
ordinances in accordance to the Comprehensive Plan then in force to control all
Phases of development.
Motion passed: All yea
The Motion was made by Annette Hinrichs and seconded by Jim Kling that the
Commission recommend that Mr. Hamilton representing APA draw up a draft of
administrative procedures involved in Preliminary Plats, Final Plat, Conditional
Use and annexation and rezones.
Motion passed: All yea
There being no other business to come before the Council, the meeting stood
adjourned.
Chairman
attest:
City Council
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April 10, 1978
Meeting called to order by the Chairman Willard Rowley
Members present: Annette Hinrichs; Don Sharp; Lee Mitchell; Burl Pipkin
Others present: Norman Fuller, Larry Graves; Steve Hosac; Joseph Glaisyer;
Edwin Jones; Bud Persons
There was discussion concerning previous action on the Settlers Village Subdivision
It was thought that this had been approved at a previous time but the records do
not seem to show this. There was discussion concerning the density.
Mr. Kling proposed the idea that this area might become a condominium type
development. He thought that he would rather see people buy property rather than
to rent. It was thought that an ordinance should be formed for condominiums before
approving this type of matter.
The Motion was made by Don Sharp and seconded by Annette Hinrichs that the Commission
recommend to the City Council that the Final Plat of the Settlers Village be approved.
Motion passed: Sharp, yea; Mitchell, yea; Kling, nay
There was more discussion about the Condominium, Townhouse concept.
It was thought that agreements by the developer should become a part of the Plat
as a written agreement.
The Motion was made by Annette Hinrichs and seconded by Don Sharp that the
Commission recommend to the City Council that the Final Plat of the Sunnybrook
Farms Phase #1 be approved for single family residences.
Motion passed: Sharp, yea; Mitchell, yea; Kling, yea
There was discussion concerning the fact that the City does not have an ordinance
concerning condominium, townhouse, zero lot line. It was thought that the City
needed Ordinances or controls.
Mr. Fuller commented that homeowner associations and condominiums are the coming
thing for the future. This is somewhat of a new approach but allows people to
purchase a parcel in a way that was not previously offered.
7hstead of owning a whole apartment they can own one unit.
It was pointed out by the Commissioner that the City is not geared up with
ordinances to deal with condominiums.
It was pointed out also that the City is confronted by problems with condominium
development, water lines, sewer lines, dividing walls, common ownership
none of which is covered at this time.
Burl Pipkin came in at this time.
Mr. Sharp stated that he was not ready to agree today to a condominium concept
not knowing all the potential problem. He wanted to be fair to the City as well
as the Developer.
Mr. Fuller suggested that the Commission make a motion to the effect that the
Commission has no obligation to the Settlers Village being developed as
Condominiums as long as the development meets the Condominium Ordinance when it
is adopted. Mr. Fuller admitted that they would have to come back with another
Plat at that time.
The question was raised as to why he did not present the Plat as Condominiums at that
time instead of now.
It appeared that the Final Plat was needed now.
There was more discussion for approval to a pre -commitment for Condominiums before
Ordinances are prepared.
Mr. Rowley thought that the City should have an ordinance before taking action in
this matter.
Mr. Kling stated that he did not see haw the Commission could be hurt by allowing
this type of development against the formation of an ordinance.
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Mr. Mitchell was concerned about another Plat having to be formed to accomplish
this.
The Motion was made by Jim Kling and seconded by Burl Pipkin that the Planning and
Zoning Commission accept the Settlers Village for the concept of zero lot line
Condominiums provided that prior to the time the Preliminary Plat is submitted the
City of Meridian has in effect an ordinance providing for the condominium concept
and that the preliminary plat conform to this ordinance.
Motion passed: Hinrichs, yea; Kling, yea; Pipkin, yea; Sharp, nay
Mitchell, abstained.
Joseph Glaisyer was present to discuss a Conditional Use Permit for 35 E. Idaho
in the Meridian Original Townsite for office space for an attorney.
Mr. Glaisyer stated that parking will be provided on a lot to the East which is now a
vacant lot.
This will be prepared in the near future by black topping.
The Motion was made by Annette Hinrichs and seconded by Jim Kling that the
Conditional Use Permit be granted to Joseph Glaisyer at the premises of 35 E. Idaho
for use as an Attorney Office, contingent to acceptance by the Nampa -Meridian
Irrigation District and the paving of the parking lot.
Motion passed: All, yea.
Mr. Edmon Jones was present to discuss the request for Conditional Use for the
premises of 14 E. Carlton in the Nourses 3rd Addition.
He presented a parking proposal for the use of the land.
The Motion was made by Don Sharp and seconded by Lee Mitchell that the Commission
recommend to the City Council that the Conditional Use Permit be granted to the
premises of 14 E. Carlton located in the Nourses 3rd Addition for the purpose of
permitting office use.
Motion passed: All yea.
Impact Area matter was discussed. It had been agreed by the Commission to take action on
this as a result of the Impact Area Hearing held before the Commission on
March 27, 1978 at the American Legion Hall.
All present at this hearing offered favorable comment for the acceptance of this
impact area.
There has been no negative response concerning this area. It was noted that the
City needs to have the response from the Planning and Zoning Commission.
Mr. Sharp stated that this area should not necessarily be annexed to the City or
attempt to provide services in the South East area but it definitely has a strong
influence on our immediate areaof Meridian, and that Meridian needs to have a
strong voice in how that area is developed and planned.
The Motion was made by Don Sharp and seconded by Burl Pipkin that the Commission
recommend to the City Council that the Impact Area as defined in Ordinance #319
as described County line on the West, Highway 20-26 on the North, Cloverdale on
the East as far South as the Freeway -Overland area, then including 5 Mile, 8 Mile
and 10 Mile Creek drainage but extending no farther East than Cole Road or the
New York Canal whichever comes first, then returning West to the County Line in
the general vicinity of the Rawson canal be approved.
It was reported that there has been no negative response to this plan.
Motion passed: All yea
Mr. Glaisyer, representing the City Council was present to suggest to the Commission
that they proceed to solve the minimum lot size matter.
Meeting adjourned.
Chairman
attest:
City Clerk
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