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1978 08-14i AGENDA AUGUST ~4, X97$ f'1ERIDIAN PLANNING AfJD ZONI'JG COh1PiISSION Item 1. Hunter Estates "A" Residential Item 2. Stonehouse, Merle and Updike Annexation "A" Residential Request Item 3. Capitol Development Annexation Request to "A" Residential Item 4. Bews Industrial Park Industrial Item 5. Columbia Village Tabled from June 12, 1978 Item 6. Wilder Mobile Home Subdivision "A" Residential Item 7. Chastain Annexation "C" Commercial Back 250' Balance "A" Item 8. Hunter Estates "A" Residential Douglas Larsen, Linder S. of Ryan's Place Ten Mile North of Meadowview Daisy Snyder Place - E. Pine Cottage Home Sub. N. of E. 5th (Orlo Nelson) Ustick & Ten Mile North side Contiguous through Sunnybrook Fairview Avenue Contiguous through Norrus Douglas Larsen, Linder S. of Ryans Place ridian Planning & Zoning Au ust 14 1978 Meeting called to order by Chairman, Willard Rowley at 7:35 P.M. Members present: Lee Mitchell; Don Sharp; Annette Hinrichs Others present: Lester R. Updike; Lahore Johnson; Irene Chastain;Albert Chastain; Joe Siminich; Jim Tully; Betty Tully; Ron Cole; Clare D. Glenn; Charles Shephard; Delbert Madsen; Frank Marcum; Larry Sale; David W. Watson; J.Ramon Yorgason; Doug Perry; C.L. Morgan; S.D. Morgan; R.M. Niell; Lee R. Stucker; W.S. McCurry; Owen M. Frost; Howard L. Craven; Robert D. Jones; James McMarelli; Gordon Baker; Merle L. Larsen; Carol A. Houst; Bill Houst (Item 1 Hunter Estates: Conditional Use for Beauty Parlor in the home. Mrs. Doug Larsen of 1930 W. Linder Road, was present representing herself. She stated "We have a 4-bedroom home and would like to convert one-half of our garage into a beauty salon. We meet all the requirements of the State Occumpational License Bureau. There is ample parking and we want this to be a one operator beauty salon. It will probably have a small wooden sign or maybe no sign." Don Sharp inquire as to how many cars there would be in the course of a day. Mrs. Larsen stated probably 8 a day with no more than 3 at one time. Willard Rowley inquire if there was anyone present with objections to the proposed Beauty Salon. None were present. The Motion was made by Lee Mitchell and seconded by Don Sharp to approve to the City Council the proposed conditional use permit fora beauty salon at 1930 W. Linder Rd with the stipulations that it be an individual (one operator) business and no sign be allowed. Motion passed: All yea. Annette Hinrichs emphasized that this is a one person operation. Mrs. Larson questioned if she was to hire another operator when she was not working would that make a difference. Rowley stated that would still be considered a one person operation. ^2 Stonehouse, Merle and Updike Annexation request for "A" Residential. Updike, Merle, Merle and Stucker were present to represent interests. Elder Merle stated that they have 8 1/2 acres they would like to have annexed. Rowley stated that it would have to be brought in as single family "A" residential zone. Host inquired if there was a possibility to use some of the area fora Mobile Home type development. Rowley stated that at this point they would only annex as single unit residential in this area, there has been no research in a Mobile Home Park in this area. Host stated then they request the single family "A" Residential zoning. Lester Updike stated that they have 1 1/2 acres and would like to be annexed as A-1 Residential single family. Lee Stucker representing Stonehouse stated that in .talking with them their plans are to build a Church and school and resident apartment. Don Sharp stated that there is an enclave of concern. There is a letter from Mr. Mortenson showing intent to want to be annexed. Stucker stated that Mr. Mortenson had informed him he could not do this locally, it has to go throught Salt Lake. They could not possibly meet the time requirement. The letter is the best that they can do. Rowley stated that a requirement is that the property owners must bring City sewer and water lines. Services were discussed. Ma ri rlian Planninn R 7nnina .2. August 14, 1978 (cont'd) Discussion of Services (Stonehouse; Merle and Stucker) Item 2 Hinrichs stated that she had no objections to this annexation but did not feel they could annex until a letter comes in on the remaining enclave. It's affect was discussed of leaving an enclave. The Motion was made by Annette Hinrichs and seconded by Don Sharp to accept the Stonehouse, Merle and Updike Annexation request conditional on acceptance of a request from the L.D.S. Church that the property enclave to the north of Stonehouse will be annexed, also subject to the developers coming to City sewer and water lines. Motion passed: All Yea. Item 3 Capitol Development Annexation request to "A" Residential: Larry Sale was present representing Capitol Developments. He stated that Capitol Development has applied for annexation of about 40 acres of land east of Linder, north of Meadowview Subdivision. The development will be supplied with City utilities Plan development of a Subdivision. Rowley inquired if this would be subsidized homes or what type they would be. Sales answered probably not subsidized. Yorguson stated moderate priced homes. The determination has been made not to have subsidized housing, they would like to come in with $50,000 and above homes. Dave Watkins stated that the market will determine the type of homes. The market is hard to figure. The feeling in Ada County know is that there is an over supply of homes in the $60,000 and above. Don Sharp inquired as to what size they are talking about. Watkins stated probably around 1,300 square feet minimum to 2500 sq. feet, depending on two story, bi-level and how the inside is finished. They would also have garages. Rowley stated that this is just a request for annexation. Hinrichs stated that the Comprehensive Plan calls for nice development down Five Mile Creek Yorgenson stated that the back yards to Five Mile will be sloping. There is some ownership problems on the right of way. The Federal Government owns a 120 foot right- of-way that is not being used, some ideas are for walking or jogging paths. They would prefer to make the area into a green belt type area if the Federal Government will allow it. Sales stated that the City could make the area an improvement project including where the Sewer Plant is located. Sharp stated that there was concern that provisions be made in the platting for streets to go on through to the East and North. We would like to see this in the Platting. Sales stated that it costs $20,000 to $40,000 to cross Five Mile Creek and the developers would like to keep the crossings to a minimum. They do not want to bring a street out by the triangle, it will be expensive and they prefer to put a street to the West somewhere North of the Five Mile Creak and one out to the northern boundary somewhere. They would like to avoid, however, having to put one near the 1/4 section line that the Ordinances call for and felt it should be north of five Mile and cross the canal one time. Accesses were discussed and through streets. Rowley stated there should be at least two outlets to get out and to adjoining property. Hinrichs concurred. Sales did not agree. The Motion was made by Don Sharp and seconded by Lee Mitchell that Planning and Zoning recommend approval of this annexation to the City Council. Hinrichs stated that they are required to come to City sewer and water. Motion passed: All yea. ...~,- Meridian Plannin and Zonin .3. Au ust 14, 1978 Item 4 Bews Industrial Park: Annexation request Larry Sales was present representing Bews. He stated that it has railroad tracks on one side and arterial roads on one or two sides, it is in conformance with the Comprehensive Plan, utilities will be there in the future and it will not be developed until it gets there. Sharp inquired what type of industry will be brought in or are there plans at this time, light industry, heavy industry, etc. Sales stated that in taking advantage of the railroad they would encourage tenants that could make use of the railroad like Pumice Products or heavy industrial base for Meridian. Annexation of the railroad was discussed. Streets and arterials were discussed and traffic patterns. The Motion was made by Lee Mitchell and seconded by Annette Hinrichs to recommend acceptance to the City Council contengent on no dirty industry with review by Planning and Zoning and the City Council of the type of industry coming in. Motion passed: All yea. Item 5 Columbia Village was taken from the table from June 12, 1978. Albert Albert Madsen was present representing the purchaser of the property. Mr. Madsen stated "Our client has put down money to keep the option open on the land,we would like to discuss our proposal in a little more detail tonight." Jack Shepherd stated that they revised the density to 10.8. The concept started with single family housing in a townhouse concept, more square footage for the dollar. Some of them have garages in this concept and some do not. He submitted a revised preliminary plat that fits the highway design requirements. This is the first town- house concept for single family for sale units in Meridian. Hinrichs liked the idea but wondered if the Council had ordinances to cover this type of unit. Shepherd explained the townhouse concept. He stated that most cities do not have a townhouse ordinance and they are covered under the regular subdivision ordinance with a waiving of the set-backs in the projects themselves. The set backs to adjoining property are whatever the ordinance calls for. The setbacks to adjoining neighbors are at least as much as required and often more, but inside the subdivision there is a zero lot line and a party wall on a property line. Also we would be deeding off the land,with a Condominium you do not deed off the land. You do not need special financing for it or zoning, or ordinances, to cover it. The building code covers all the regulations necessary to build this type of unit. Rowley inquired if this was subsidized housing. Shepherd stated no, the method of financing at this time has not been looked into, they are after preliminary concept approval. Sharp inquire into the cost of the homes in the project. Shepherd stated that they hoped they would be in the $30,000 range and with garages over $40,000. There are five different plans with approximately 950 square feet average. Hinrichs stated that the City needs a breakdown on the 46% figure for subsidized housing between rental and owner occupancy and see if the housing needs for smaller owner occupancy has been covered. The appeal of this type of housing was discussed. Rowley stated that we are trying to curtail some of the subsidized housing. Madsen outlined the advantages of this level of housing for starter homes and elderly. Sharp stated that this has to be tempered, the City has a need of some larger homes. u ~ Meridian Plannim and Zoni 4. August 14, 1978 (cont'd) Item The traffic pattern was discussed: 5 Hinrichs stated that we need a breakdown of levels of available homes. Sharp stated that ownership adds to the concept appeal and would like to study the township concept. lhereshould be strong protective covenants. Upkeep on the property was discussed: It is by a Homeowners Association The Housing mix was discussed; Density was discussed and the Fire Department recommendations were discussed. The Motion was made by Annette Hinrichs and seconded by Lee Mitchell to recommend to the City Council that they accept the preliminary plat for Columbia Village providing the units are not subsidized, that it is ownership units, that they meet all Fire and Highway Department recommendations and bring in City services. Motion passed: Mitchell, yea; Hinrichs, yea; Sharp, nay Item 6 Wilder Mobile Home Subdivision: Ray Wilder was present representing Wilder Subdivision. He stated that they have approximately 130 units and the people will own their own lots and will put their own trailer houses on it. Jim Howard was also present representing the proposal. There are 20 acres with a density of about 6.17 units per acre. The lots would be like a regular subdivision not a trailer court. The property is the first one by the Sewer Plant. Rowley stated the Fire Departments comment (see evidence) Wilder stated that they are after an adult court and there should not be that much fire if children are not involved. The lot size is approximately 50 x 100 this is normal for mobile homes. 5,000 square feet, corner lots will be bigger. Access and egress will be on 10 Mile and Ustick. The concept of development along trunk lines was outlined. The relationship to other developments was discussed. Adult only through restrictive covenants was discu-sed but if someone tries this concept, the plant is federally funded. It will be fenced with chain link fence separating the lots. Because the sewer plant is federally funded they legally cannot keep children out. The people buying these lots are not the low income type. Rowley stated that the Commission is not arguing that point but is trying to protect the different City Departments. Wilder stated that is is an ideal location. Reaction to Mobile Home Courts was outlined. Response time for fire trucks was approximated at 6 to 8 minutes. The matter was discussed. Rowley outlined ordinance consideration to adequately reflect the Comprehensive Plan. Hinrichs stated that she like the concept but felt it is stretching things out too fast. Wilder stated that they are one mile this side of the limits from the west and did not think it was stretching it out. Sharp stated that he preferred a tabling action at this time until they can be assured of adequate police and fire protection. Rowley stated that in the past these have been called courts and maybe thinking of them on a court basis. Their thinking might change on the new concept. Procedures for routing to Council was discussed. A time frame on a tabling action was discussed. Meridian Plannin & Zonin .5. Au ust 14 1978 (cont'd) The Motion was made by Annette Hinrichs and s~~ormbd by Don Sharp to table any action Item pending further input from Police and Fire. 6 Motion passed: All yea. Item 7 Chastain Annexation: Mr. and Mr. Al Chastain Lenore Johnson and neighbors Mr. and P1rs. Morgan were present representing the Chastain Annexation request. Mr. Chastain stated that they have one acre ;Mrs. Johnson stated that there are three parcels. One (1) is Stuarts 13.7 Acres, Morgans have five (5) acres and Chastains have one (1) acre. Rowley stated Planning and Zoning has been working to .keep Gruber Street open from 2 1/2 Street to Locust Grove. Mrs. Johnson stated that they were thinking of a Dentist Office, something similar to the Carriage House. Rowley stated that they are not against some commercial in that area if it is put in there right. Mrs. Johnson stated that they are trying to put these parcels together to do something with it. The areas were discussed. Mrs. Chastain stated that they have been paying commercial tax on the property. They have appealed the tax and were denied. Development of Fairview was discussed. Hinrichs questioned if Planning and Zoning has the power to determine what is built in a particular zone. She stated that this area should be "C" but there is concern about what goes in there. Rowley stated that he wants to see it zoned Commercial with a complete under- standing there will not be fronting all along Fairview and traffic dumped out onto Fairview. Sharp moved to table the Chastain Annexation request until the September 11, 1978 Planning and Zoning meeting. Seconded by Hinrichs. Motion passed: All yea. Item 8 Hunter Estates, Annexation request: Clarence Glenn, Howard Craven, Owen Frost and Mrs. Doug Larsen were present representing Hunter Estates. Hinrichs stated that this is only for Annexation and not a Preliminary Plat. Rowley stated that this is a duplex Annexation by mutual agreement. Glenn stated that the developer is Art Craven of Boise. There are 16 duplexes on 16 lots with a density of 9.7 and 4.39 acres, zoned "A". Street names were discussed, direction for the Preliminary Plat was given. Mitchell moved to recommend to the City Council that they annex Hunter Estates, seconded by Don Sharp. Motion passed: All yea. The meeting stood adjourned at 10:10 P.M. attest: CHAIRMAN City Administrator Hearing p & Z 8-14-~8 City council 9-x_78 ITEM N0. 8. COMMENT Merle Larsoa of Hunter Estates Annexation (Mr6 Doug Larson 1930 N. Linder Conditional use for Beauty Salon in "A" Residential 1. Joseph Glaisyer Conditional use permits should be given to those areas within the general business district. 2. Nampa Meridian Irrigation District See No problems with this change if allowed. /f ~~/~ ~~ Hearing P & Z 8-14-'7 City Council 9-5-78 ITEM N0. 1. Ten Mile S. of Cherry Lan COMMENTS All to be "A" Residential Stonehod~ae Upkike Merl ANNEXATIONS TO BE TAKEN FROM THE TABLE 1. Meridian Public Works. does not recommend annexation unless City Water and sewer are provided on the property 2. Meridian Post Office Curb side boxes according the their approval 3; Nampa Meridian Irrigation District Suitahle irrigation and drainage plan must be submitted to and approved by the board of directors 4. Meridian Fire Department will not recommend approval un.l.ess water and mains and fire hydrants are installed prior to any construction. 5. J U B Engineers, Inc., Lester R, Updike Legal description is adequate. The letter which accompanies the application states Mr Updike will hook to City Water and sewer when available. We are concerned about who is going to construct the sewer and water lines to Mr. Updikes property. Not that Mr Updike should be burdened with all costa of bringing water and sewer to his property but that the City has net pre- cedent to past developers that they come to City Water and sewer. These problems should be addressed during development plans and platting stages. Elmer Merle The legal Description is adequate. Again how is the City going to serve this property with water and sewer if there are no provisions to construct such utilities. These problems should be addressed duding the development plans and platting stages. Stonehouse evangelical corporation The legal description is adequate. Our concerns are the same as stated for Mr. Updike's and Mr. Merle's properties. 6. Planning and zoning policy Do not annex, these parcels, if annexation leave an area as an enclave or an area surrounded or encompassed by the City. (Planning policy is to annex all leads in the same area) 7. City Council Folicy is to allox no annexations until the comprehensive plan is completed. See Minutes February 21, 1948. COMMENT: Allow no annexation until all interested Parties have agreed to ImmeMiate use of City Water, and Interrim septic tank use as allowed the the District Health with Dry Lines in place, with adequate pre- parations to get to the Project Lines that are in place. Adequate fire hydrants shall be provided in the main lines that must be installed The Parcel to the Nort~t of these three proposals will become an en- clave (Surrounded by the City) Deny annexation until proper steps are taken to satisfy this enclave property ~~ti~ ~ ~- ~~ ~~ Hearing P & Z 8-14-'78 City Council 9-5-78 ITEM N0. 2 COMMENTS CAPITOL DEVELOPMENT ANNEXATION North of Meadowiew on Linder "A" Residential 1. Joseph Glaiapsr Recommend approval also recommend encouragement of quality Homes with good amenities. 2. Grant Kingsford 1, What street access would be provided 2. 'W'hat is the size of the property How many lots etc. 3, Meridian Post Office All delovery will be required to lecurb line boxes to be served from vehicles 4. Central District Health Department: Approval for central sewage-central water plans for community sewage central water. Street runoff is not to create a mosquito breeding problem. 5. Richard Williams 1. Frimarily single family dwellings 2. We will demand amenities for schools,parks,fire station j. I appreciate the expenses they hve encurred but I do not appreciate their letter inference that this project will be rushed through, because it won't. 4. Will it be a government subsidized development ~~P~1 C` Hearing P &L 8-14-~8 City Council 9-5-78 ITEM N0. 3. COMMENTS Snyder Place, E. Pine BEWS ZNDDSTRIAL PRRK Industrial 1. Joseph 6laisyer ApI_roval contingent upon submitting covenants and restrictions. Need to emphasize the need for clean industry. 2. Nampa Meridian Irrigation District A drainage plan must be submitt§d to, and approved by this district board of directions 3. Meridian Poet Office Delivery policy will need to be established at a later date when final platt and configuration of businesses and plants are known 4. Central District Health Central water and centzal sewer street run off to t•,e adequate to abate mosquito. at this tome sewer lines do not service this area(Central Sewer is lines extended). High season high water must be ascertained for interim use 5. Meridian Fire Department Does not recommend approval because this proposal will create enclaves within The Fire District. 6. Richard Williams 1. Does this appear to be in harmony with the comprehensive plan. 2. Would only recommend approval if it is for Light industreal with re- atrictions especially as to types and sized of buildings aad landscaping ~/ ~p~~~ ~ /~J 0 / r 3- North of E. 5th at Washington P&ZMay 15 City Council June 5 ITEM NO. 4, COMMENTS COLUMBIA VILLAGE Location: North of E. 5th at Washington Meridian City Hall June 5, 1978 North of East $th St. Tabled by P & Z June 12, 1978 1. Joseph Glaisyer: I am under the impression that this is a Farm Home Subdivision The City of Meridian has more than enough Farm Home Subs, consequently I am opposed. 2. The City Fire Department: a, The Cit~do of recommend approval of -0olumbia Village because of no access for Fire trucks and no turn around at the end of the street. `~ b. Also recommend E. 4th Street be included in this development .d q m ~ 3, Grant Kingsford: 0 rn „ ce, a. Too high density ~ ~ b. Roads to this area would not handle this size of development . ; ~ c. Area is too densely populated already. .. + a} ~+ V .C o O •rl ~ Y ~ i> m 4. Planning and Zoning: Tabled 5.8.78 ~" w "~ A w ~ o x 5. Meridian Post Office: s m +~ ~ m ~ Cluster mail boxes pedestal mounted, rear loading type. x >, m •~. a o ~ ~ ~ ,~ 6. McCarter & Tuller (Nampa-Meridian Irrigation District Board) o m m U «1 C~ a. Irrigation not required ~ ~ ~ b. No drainage plan for road is shown a ~ o~ ']. Central District Health Dept.: Central Sewer and Water, Control Street run-off 8. kichard Williams: tt~-c.~numard drnri nl nl. thin time pending Ordinnnce formulation ryV~ ~ a. It appears this is a Condominium Develop~t ~ b. No Ordinances to handle this c. What is density - 13 du/acre too high ( cont'd) d. Is this Preliminary Plat? or are they trying metes & bounds ~ • COLUMBIA VILLAGE • Continued 9, Planning and Zoning June 12, 197$ No one was present, No action was taken Nay 8, 1978 This matter was tabled ~ 10. No 1" to the 300 Vicinity Sketch has been presented,~Showing Streets & Lots) 11, Ada County Highway District Alignment of East 5th Street at South end of project is unacceptable. Transition is too severe. ~~ v Notice of Heari7rg P & z 8-14-78 City Council 9-5-78 • Annexation and Right of way July 7, 1978 ITEM N0. 5, COMMENTS "A" Residential WILDER MOBILE HOME SUBDIVISION IIstick & Ten Mile, Ngrth Side Contiguous by Sunnybrook Farms 1. Meridian Fire Department. Does not recommend ap~r val because of too many Trailer Courts; adequate fire services could not be given due to distance response time and flamability of mobile homes. 2. Meridian Post Office Would like to see final plat when ap roved. Requirmenta for mail delivery would be curb line type boxes to be serviced from a vehicle. 3. Joseph Glaisyer I do not recommend aprroval. A mobile home park is not within the "general concept" of single family houses. I do not accept mobile homees and single family residence combined as good planning. I also belief Meridian has too many mobile home parks. We need a good silid tax structure first, Then accomodate mobile homes. 4. Richard Williams Recommend denial e 1. This type of development is not compatible with the surrounding area. 2. It borders on being outside the sewer planning area for sewer 3. Also it does not appear to be contiguous ae stated in the letter because of the fact ther is no common line only a point 5. Nampa Meridian Irrigation District An Irrigation and drainage plan must be approved by this district's Board of Directors. 6. Central District Health Department Nave no objections to this parcel of property being annexed into the City of Meridian. An Adult only mobile home park could be approved for central waker and central sewer with plans being submitted to Regional Health and Welfare 7. Building Department reports that nearly one-half (~z),of the city population reside in Mobile homes end Multiplex structures ~P~~ ~,~~ ~~,~~~ Hearing • • P &L August 14, 1978 City Council Sept 5, 1978 COMMENTS 1065 E. Fairviex ITEM N0. 6. Commercial back 250 Feet CHASTAIN ANNEXATION "C" Commercial hack 250 Feet Balance 1. Meridian Fire Department: "A" Residential 1. lloes not recommend approval because this proposal will create enclatres 2. Meridian Post Office: Would need to see final plat and Commercial configuration to determine delivery plan. The Res. portion will be required to be curb line boxes to be served from a vehicle 3. Richar Williams Recommend denial as this appears as strip commercial and not in conformance with comprehensive plan 4. Joseph Glaisyer Be careful of strip development. We don's want a "Fairviex Avenea" If this type of development is within your plan, then I'm for it. 5. Nampa Meridian Irrigation District An Irrigation and drainage plan must be approved by this district's Board of Directors. ~~~ ~~ ~ l ~~ Hearing P & z 8-14-'78 City Council 9-5-78 C014t4ENTS ITEM N0. '7. Doug Larson, Linder S of Ryan PI HBNTEk ESTATES "A" Residential S of Meadowview 1. Joseph Glaisyer recommend approval upon submission of r§strictions. I believe this is a Four Alex subdivision and if this is the case the lets are too small 2. heridian Fire Department kecommend denial 1. Change of street name so there would not be two (P) Sandlewood street access to Linder Rd „ 2. Should put a Fire Hydrant off of Linder 3, Made no provision for through streeys for future development 3, Central District Health Department 1. Street Runoff is not to create a mosquito breeding problem 2. Have no objections to the annexation of this property into the City of Meridian. Hurter Estates can be approved for eentral water and central sewer facilities. Plans must be submitted to xegional Health and Welfare for Water and Sewer Lines. \~~`~ ~~~~ ~~ :Y .;„9~~ ~~ AUG 1 1918 ~~~ NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that a public hearing will be held before the Meridian City Council on August 28, 1978, at the hour of 7:30 p.m., at the Meridian Grade School located 'at 48 West State Avenue in the City of Meridian, Ada County, Idaho, for the purpose of the Meridian City Council enacting a Comprehensive Plan for the City of Meridian, pursuant to Chapter 65, Title 67, Idaho Code. DATED this 1st day of August, 197$• .) , ~.~ _. ':-'~- ° " HERALD J. COX City Clerk ~s-~' AU G 1 1978 During the Planning and Zoning meeting held July 31, 1878, the following motion was made: The motion was made by Burl Pipkin and seconded by Lee Mitchell, that the planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council that the Comprehensive plan of July, 1978 plus addendum of July 31, 1978 be adopted. This motion was passed Attest: C~ y Clerk j . Chairman ,t a- .