1978 09-19
Correction Sheet Meridian Planning & Zoning
Meeting o.f September 19, 1978
Item l; Motion was seconded by Lee Mitchell
Ztem 3; Paragraph 2; Line 4; Delete "S to"
Item 4; Paragraph 6; Line 4; "Property lines to ao to the Fence
along the right of way on the South
side of the ditch."
i ~
AGENDA
SEPTEMBER 19, 1978
MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
Item 1. CrestwoodEstates-Centre Valley Annexation West of Crestwood
"A" Residential Request Linder & W. Franklin
:(Approved)
Item 2. Doxo Properties Annexation North of Meadowview
"A" Residential Request (Approved)
Item 3. Terra Subdivision
"
"
(Denied) W. View Tract Addition
A
Residential Request E, of Gem Estates
Item 4. Meadowview Number 2
"
" (Approved) E. of Meadowview 111
A
Residential Request W, of W. 8th Street
Item 5. Meridian Manor ~i3
Item 6. Bethaven Subdivision (Denied} Stucker Annexation
"A" Residential Request W. Cherry Lane
Item 7. Wilder Mobile Home
"
" (Tabled) Ray Wilder Property
A
Residential Request
Item 8. Sunnybrook Farms ll2
"
"
(Approved) W. Linder
A
Residential Request W. of Glenfield Manor
Item 9. Hunter Estates
"
" (Approved) Douglas Larsen, Linder
A
Residential Request S. of Ryans Place
Item 10. Meridian Park Subdivision (Capitol) Capitol Annexation
"A" Residential Request (Approved) N, of Meadowview
r+C
•a• ni ,c ~ o September 19,1978 _
Meeting called to order by Commission Member, Don Sharp at 8:05 P.M.
Members present: Don Sharp; Lee Mitchell; Annette Hinrichs; Burl Pipkin;
Rick Orton
Others present: Jim Rees; Roger Jones; Horace Smith; Harvey Gus; Rick
Thurber; Evan Chambers; Betty Tully; O.J. Bothne; Douglas
Stanton; Larry Sale; Les Ankenman; R.B. Glenn; Owen Frost;
Herald Cox; Ray Wilder; Janet Wilder; Howard Craven;
John Swartz; Pat Joy
Item
1 Crestwood Estates-Centre Valley Annexation:
R.B Glenn for Crestwood Estates stated that this would be single family re-
sidential with a fairly high density level, with the total acreage of 26.7.
Glenn stated he would answer any questions the Commission might have.
Don Sharp asked for public comment.
Rick Orton stated that he thought that this fits the Planning and Zonning's
plan.
Annette Hinrichs made a motion that the Planning and Zonning recommend to
the City Council acceptance of the annexation of Crestwood Estates. -Bea-6k~erp
- seconded the motion. Lee Mitchell
Motion passed: All yea.
Item
2 Doxo Properties Annexation
Larry Sales was present to represent the request. It will be "A" residential
zoning and will be provided by City services and utilities, and will be de-
veloped in accordance with the City regulations and policies.
Don Sharp called for comments from the Commission and for public comment.
Annette Hinrichs inquired if any of the property was on the 5 Mile drain.
Larry Sales stated that the 5 Mile Creek Drain passes through the front of
the property.
The motion was made by Lee Mitchell and seconded by Burl Pipkin that the
Commission recommend the annexation of Doxo Properties, as "A" residential.
Motion passed: All yea.
Item
3 Terra Subdivison
Rick Thurber was present representing Terra Subdivision. He stated that there
are several 4-plexes in the area. The ground coverage would be about 27% of
the area. Thurber also stated that there are 6 lots, of 9,000 square feet each,
on which they wish to build 24 units. He stated that there would be ample off
street parking, with 2 spaces provided for each tennant.
Don Sharp commented on the problem of the high density. He stated that it would
be 15.4. Sharp also stated that in the Comprehensive Plan the high density
area has a range of 8 to 15, and it was the intent in the Comprehensive Plan
that those that got the 8;:to 15 density were those that provide basically other
amenities to the City.
Thurber stated that 73% of the area would be common area, and there would be room
for a tot lot or something for the people in the units. He also stated that it
is their intent to make the units very appealing with landscaping, and with ample
off street parking.
Meridian Planning & Zoning .2. _ _ S~tember 19. 1978
Don Sharp stated that question was if they wanted to go that high of density
on this particular project.
Rick Orton stated that the Comprehensive Plan that was adopted gave allowances
to go that high on the density if some amenities are offered.
Don Sharp stated that at this point of time he would like to see the Commission
hold to the offer that was discussed the last time, which was 4 tri-plexes and
2 duplexes, which would lower the density to 10.2. This would bring it down to
16 units total as opposed to 24 units total.
Burl Pipkin commented that this project would improve the area greatly, but
they still have the density problem to deal with.
Rick Orton noted that the preliminary plat did not show any physical facilities
such as water, sewer, fire hydrants.
Don Sharp stated that as this point the Commission has 3 choices, approve it
as it has been requested, modify the density, table or decline it.
The motion was made by Rick Orton and seconded by Annette Hinrichs that as it
is proposed it be denied, for the density problems and the plat not meeting
the ordinance for tentative plat.
Motion passed: All yea.
Item
4 Meadowview Number 2
Jim Rees was present representing Meadowview.
Annette Hinrichs stated that she was concerned with the 5 Mile drainage area.
The canal was discussed as to location, fencing, and ownership of property.
The intent to fence the canal was discussed, as it is not a part of the
property.
Burl Pipkin inquired about a green belt down the lateral. The potential of
a green belt in the future was discussed.
Don Sharp called for any questions or comments concerning Meadowview 2.
The motion was made by Burl Pipkin and seconded by Lee Mitchell that they
recommend to the City Council that Meadowview Number 2 be approved with
the change in the streets, 11th to the North, and Chateau to the East, stubed
in, a~-eke €ence easement on-~tl~e~-hack P1orth- row- of the lots.
Motion passed: All yea. ($ee COY'PeCtl011 sheet)
Item
5 Meridian Manor 163
Meridian Manor 163 was discussed. Pat Joy stated that Meridian Manor 113 is
between the City Attorney and Engineers are working it out.
Larry Sale was present representing Meridian Manor 113. Sale stated that
apparently there is a misunderstanding in the original request.
Item
6 Bethaven Subdivision
Rick Orton abstained because of conflict of interest.
Les Ankenman with Tudor Engineering was present representing Lee Stucker, the
owner of the property.
Meridian Plannin & Zonin .3. Se tember 19.1978
Ankenman stated that they are developing primarily a single family dwelling
residence, with a possibility of developing certain lots into duplexes, these
lots being along the Nothern tier, that have some frontage along Cherry Lane.
He also stated that they recognize that access will not be allowed, and have
provided the subdivison in phases. When those phases come in on the final
plat, the plat will still note restricting access to Cherry Lane.
Ankenman stated that Mr. Stucker had requested in a letter a variance to allow
50 foot streets. He stated that they will still have a 60 foot right-of-way
on Bethaven, mainly because Bethaven is generally on an alignment with one of
the fractional section lines.
One of the remarks on Bethaven was the need of additional access to the West.
Ankenman explained that that property is presently owned by a church.
Annette Hinrichs questioned the blank space of Lot 1, Block 16, on the plat.
Ankenman stated that there is no definate plan for that area, but they would
like to go to multi-family dwellings there.
Annette Hinrichs questioned the green belt areas along 9 Mile Creek and
Rutledge Lateral.
Ankenman stated that with the plan that they had worked up, the green belt
area would be a natural to develop along with the multi-family concept.
These could be developed along 9 Mile Creek and Rutledge Lateral both.
Ankenman stated that the property is now zoned "A" residential and that there
are 180 lots, which would have a density in the 3 to 3.5 area.
Annette Hinrichs stated that she is concerned with schools, and that they will
be needing some land for an elementary school.
Ankenman stated that Mr. Stucker indicated that if the school should express
an interest he might offer the land to them. There is alot of undeveloped
land in this square mile.
Burl Pipkin moved that they disapprove until they get some better concept of
what is going to be contained on Lot 1, Block 16. The motion was seconded by
Lee Mitchell.
Motion passed: All yea.
Item
7 Wilder Mobile Home
Ray Wilder, Janet Wilder, and O.J. Bothne were present representing Wilder
Mobile Home.
O.J. Bothne from the Idaho Mobile Dealers Association spoke on the fire safety
of the newer mobile homes. He explained the procedure of the building of
mobile homes, and stated that most of the mobile homes that will be on the
Wilder Mobile Home Court will be 24 to 28 feet wide and will be put on foundations.
He also stated that there is a great need for lower cost housing of this type.
He stated that the American Bar Association made an investigation of
affordable housing for the people in this country and came up with a report that
the day is past when we have restricted zoning on manufactured housing. This
has to be eliminated because so many of our people need housing but they can
not afford to buy a sight built home. This report is as of February, 1978.
He also stated that most of the lots will be sold for around $10,000.00 so
the quality of the mobile homes that go on the lots will be good.
Bothne also discussed that there are 2 groups of people that are in the market
for manufactured housing. These are the older people and the young people
that are just getting started. He stated that FHA, VA, and Farmer's Home,
all have financing programs for manufactured housing today. This is so that there
can be afforable housing for the bulk of our population.
•r
Mardian Plannine & Zonine .4. September 19, 1978
Mr. Bothne said he would answer any question the Commission might have.
Don Sharp questioned the quality of the Mobile Homes when the cost of construction
for a manufactured home is around $15.00 per square feet, as compared to
$35.00 per square feet for a sight built home. He question how they could
get the same quality or better quality for less than half the price of a
sight built home.
Mr. Bothne stated that the savings in the manufactured home is the fact of
the assembly line way it is put together. He also stated that some 18% of
single family dwellings last year were manufactured homes.
Don Sharp stated that one potential problem was the moratorium that was placed
on mobile home developments in 1975, by the City Council. Sharp stated that
since that time, there have been at least 3 mobile home developments that have
been tabled. Sharp commented that if they are going to open it up to this
type of development, that some of these people that were put on hold several
years ago, need to be brought in somewhere, and be notified. Sharp stated that
he felt this would only be in all fairness. This would only happen if the
City Council is willing to withdraw the moratorium.
Rick Orton stated that when the City Council first imposed that moratorium
they felt that mobile homes had been overbuilt. There was a much higher ratio
than was desirable. Orton also commented that was so long ago and the character
of the town was so much different.
Don Sharp stated that based on what the Building Inspector has to say, still
one half of the City population lives in mobile homes or multi-plex structures.
That is at this point in time.
Mr. Wilder stated that he felt they ought to be entitled to one new trailer
park.
Annette Hinrichs stated that she felt the Commission should go to the City
Council and lift the moratorium.
The tax structure of mobile homes was discussed.
Mr. Wilder inquired how to get the moratorium lifted.
Lee Mitchell stated he is against crossing tistick Road, and beginning an inclave
with the City limits.
Wilder stated that his mobile park will be all new construction, there will be
no used mobile homes.
Don Sharp stated that he felt that the people in the community should have some
voice in the type of community that they have, they should have the right to
determine what they want.
Rick Orton stated that he felt that the Planing & Zoning should let the City
know what the feelings are concerning the moratorium.
Orton stated that personally he felt that there is a big market need for
mobile homes.
Orton stated that he personally felt that the Commission should request the
moratorium to be lifted, and the City Council give the Commission some guidance
some input, not necessarly rules and regulations, but some guide lines about
how they feel about mobile homes now.
Don Sharp questioned if the Commission wanted to recommend the lifting of the
moratorium beforethere are any ordinances covering this type of thing.
Orton stated that he still felt the moratorium should be lifted, before there
is specifically a mobile home ordinance.
Planning &
S
Rick Orton stated that he felt the original reasons for the moratorium are
no longer appropriate.
Lee Mitchell commented that he felt the Commission should ask the City Council
to clairfy their standpoint on the moratorium.
The motion was made by Rick Orton the the Planning & Zoning recommend to the
City Council that the present moratorium on mobile home developments be
lifted and request that the City Council designate somebody to advise the
Planning & Zoning Commission on the City Council's feelings on mobile home
developments. The motion was seconded by Lee Mitchell.
Motion passed: All yea.
Don Sharp commented that some of the Planning & Zoning members should attend
the City Council meeting.
Item
8 Sunnybrook Farms IP2
Max Boesinger was present representing the final plat. He stated that Sunnybrook
Farms 112, is patterned after Independance Park in Boise. Sunnybrook IP2,
adjoins phase 1, and will be comprised of single family dwellings in the
$48,000 to $65,000 area. He stated that there will be a mixture of these homes
in the area. Boesinger also stated that there will probably not be a home
started in phase 2 until January, 1979.
Burl Pipkin question the situation on the 9 Mile drain.
1978
Boesinger stated that the easement had to be given to the Drainage DQStrict.
for maintenance of the canal. He also stated that there is a possibilty of
landscaping to the canal, once the main trunkline is put in, and have the access
road down the one side all the way.
Annette Hinrichs commented on the proposed park area.
Boesinger stated that the park will be granted to the City.
Annette Hinrichs questioned if the park would be developed before it was given
to to the City.
Boesinger stated that it would certainly have grass and some trees. And then
given to the City. The proposed park is close to 2 acres in area, and will be
a neighborhood park.
Annette questioned Boesinger if the cul-de-sac was shortened as requested.
Boesinger stated that the cul-de-sac had been shortened, as directed by the
Commission.
Recreation use of easement was discussed. The easements are owned by the
Bureau of Reclamation.
Rick Orton stated that if the easements are to be used for recreational purposes
it should be put into the easement designation as soon as possible.
Doug Stanton of SUB Engineers stated that the Commission would have to go to
the Bureau of Reclamation and request them to use the designation of the
easement. Stanton stated that it is designated on the plat that the easement
is a irrigation-drainage access easement, and that is the purpose of the
easement, and we could not put any other designation on the easement without
Bureau of Reclamation approval.
C~
Meridian Plannin & Zonin .6. Se tember 19 1978
Rick Orton stated that he felt in so far as the developer is concerned there
needs to be a covenant that would allow recreational use of the easements.
Rick Orton questioned if Larry Sale had any experience concerning this.
Larry Sale responded to Mr. Orton's question. He stated that he didn't see
any problem, if it is part of the plan, and the developer is agreeable
with it. He also stated that the City might want to provide a language name
of the easement, but does't see any problem in the developer granting an
easement to the public at large for purposes of what the City wants the
easements for.
Burl Pipkin stated that what the Commission is trying to do right now is to attempt
establish some type of system where by in the event that the Commission can get
approval for that type of use from the Bureau of Reclamation that it would be
feasible without any further dealings except with the Bureau. The Commission
does not want to have to deal with the private individual owner at all.
Max Boesiger suggested that prior to Council approvel, come up with some kind
of language in our protective Covent that would simply say that the owners of
the properties adjoining Sunnybrook, recognize that there is a request by the
City, with BOR approval, to provide recreational use, with the character such
as a walk way.
Annette Hinrichs instructed Pat Joy to contact Art Collins to determine a
-- standard phraseology that the Commission will be using, concerning the
easements.
The motion was made by Lee Mitchell and seconded by Annette Hinrichs that
Commission accept Sunnybrook 112, contingent to the previous stipulations
that were agreed on in July.
Motion passed: All yea.
Item
9 Hunter Estates
John Swartz was present representing Hunter Estates. He stated that there are
4.4 acres, with a total of 16 lots. Swartz also stated they are proposing on
the lots, 1,000 to 1,200 square feet per unit, with a mixture of single and
two story units. The price range on the units is around $90,000, density 7.8.
Annette Hinrichs questioned if the street name had been changed to Storey.
Swartz stated that it had been changed from Sandlewood to Storey.
Burl Pipkin question if Storey Avenue would be a street that would go a little
ways and quit, go a little ways and quit. He also questioned if there would
be several segments of Storey AY1.OE:-
Don Sharp read the comment sheet (see evidence), in which the Fire Department
requested the street name change. The Fire Department requested the change in
street name because they would not know which way to enter on Sandlewood with
emergency vehicles.
Owen Frost stated there was problems with Meadowview eastern edge development
going into the Meadwoview for an ingress and egress. Frost explained that he and
Larsen made a verbal agreement to have a horseshoe street, not thinking this
would cause not to have ingress and egress.
Orton stated that they would lose a lot if the Commission holds them to the
density that they are at now, and require a road. Orton stated that he felt the
access to the East extending from what they call Storey Drive'., they might be
able to get back their lot. His feeling was that the City could grant higher
density.
There was much discussion.
The motion was made by Lee Mifihell and seconded by Rick Orton to revise the
lots and align Storey Drive and take Storey on through, and accept it.
Motion passed: All yea.
~J
Meridian Planning & Zoning .7. September 19,1978
Item
10 Capital Annexation (Meridian Park Subdivision)
Larry Sale was present representing Meridian Park Subdivision. Sale stated
that this will be a single family subdivision, with about 144 lots, to be
developed on approximately 40 acres of land, East of Linder Road, North of
Meadowview Subdivision. It will be provided with all City services and utilities.
Sale stated that the land along the 5 Mile Drain is owned by the Federal
Government. The owner has no control over it, but will cooperate with the City
in whatever way he can.
Sale also asked for a variance of 50 foot rights-of-way, with a 5 foot easement
on each side of the road.
Sale stated that they would like to request a variance on block width for block
lying along the 5 Mile Drain.
Don Sharp read comment sheet. (See evidence)
Sale stated that he had one correction. He stated that the Ada County Highway
District now has a standard for short cul-de-sacs that allows a 46 foot rights-
of way, which is what they are proposing.
Rick Orton expressed his concern with the 46 foot variance of streets in the
cul-de-sacs.
The motion was made by Annette Hinrichs and seconded by Burl Pipkin that the
Commission recommend to the City Council the acceptance of Meridian Park
Subdivision, which the variance in the 50 foot rights-of-way, the cul-de-sac
on Dera Drive, and the block width.
Motion passed: All yea.
Rick Orton stated that there was a nomination of Mr. Sharp
Chairman of the Planning & Zoning Commission.
Meetingadjourned 11:10 P.M.
APPROVED
Chairman
Attest:
ty Clerk
cam` ~
SEP 11 1978
Z
~~/~ j ~S /a~~
/r,~/
-~ ~~ f~ , i~~ ~
G~ .
~, ~ ~ P~
~~~~
O"