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1978 12-11~J AGENDA MERIDIAN PLANNING & ZONING December 11, 1978 Item 1 Price, Rich, Fenstermaker Annexation Approved Item 2 Hudson-Mitich Annexation #2 Approved Item 3 Enclave Annexations A. Parcel Approved B. Parcel ~~ C. Parcel ~~ D. Parcel ~~ E. Parcel ~~ F. Parcel ~~ G. Parcel ~~ H. Parcel ~~ I. Parcel ~~ Item 4 Bethaven Subdivision Approved Item 5 Jensen, Lampe Annexation Parc•.el 1&2 (LAMPS) Approved Parcel 3,4,5 no action Item a Crestwood-Linder Road Denied Item 7 Rruce Stuart, Rezone Request Approved Item 8 Doxo Properties Approved Item 9 Babcock, Conditional Use Permit Approved Item 10 Hendren #2 Approved Item 11 Stubblefield Tabled (No one present) Item 12 Ennis, Conditional Use Permit Tabled (NO one present) Item 13 Crestwood #2, Discussion Only No Action (Discussion) Iten 14 County Requests, (Comment Sheets) "A" Residential "D" Light Industrial "A" Residential „ "A" Residential "A" Residential "A" Residential "A" Residential to "C" Commercial "A" Residential Home Economics in Home "A" Residential Tobacco Shop in Home "A" Residential Discussion Only Meridian Planning & Zoning December 11, 1978 The meeting was called to order at 8:10 by Chariman Don Sharp. Members Present: Ken Tewksbury; Annette Hinrichs; Rick Orton; Lee Mitchell Others Present: Bruce Stuart; Michael C. Frost; George Davis; Bob Mitich; Gloria McFadden, G. Leonard McFadden; Les Ankenman; Bud Pearson; Dale Babcock; Karen Babcock; Robert Giesler; Denise Giesler; Eugene Quenzer; Ardyce Ouenzer; John W. Matzinger; R.B. Glenn; M.E. Murray; Patricia Murray; Gene Wright; Joe Hain; Ed Jones; Larry J. Hellhake; Dave Cook; Dick Smith The minutes of the previous meeting stood approved as read. Item 1 Price, Rich, Fenstermaker Annexation Glenn Hudson was present representing the request. He stated they are residential homes on West Pine, North of Meridian Storage, and by request of the City they were asked to sell them on the idea of annexation. Annette Hinrichs inquired if this included all the property, leaving nothing out. Hudson answered yes, that no one was skipped, all the homes in line with this request. Lee Mitchell inquired if provisions were made for sewer and water. Joy stated he thought they would have to connect to City lines when they became available. Rick Orton inquired if the property owners were aware they would have to connect to water and sewer when available. Hudson stated they were aware of that and the lines ran in front of the residences. The motion was made by Annette Hinrichs and seconded by Ken Tewksbury to recommend to the City Council that they annex the Price, Rich, Fenstermaker property, provided they connect to City services when available, and as "A" Residential. Motion passed: All yea. Item 2 Hudson-Mitich Annexation No. 2 Glenn Hudson was present representing the request. He expalined the plan and stated it will more than double the storage facility. The Frito Lay Company has indicated they would like to locate a regional distribution center there. He described where they would be located. They have ten or twelve families living in the area and paying taxes. They would be brought in on a private track siding road. Annette Hinrichs stated traffic might be a problem because of a proposed residential subidvision to the South. Hudson stated if it was a problem they would bring them in their property. Zoning South of the tracks was outlined. Annette Hinrichs inquired what the Zoning should be. Don Sharp inquired how much truck traffic would be generated. Hudson stated about one truck a day increase. Joy stated he thought under existing zoning it could be allowed. Rick Orton inquired if they were requesting a "D" Zone. Don Sharp explained the Fire comment; they did not recommend this because of fire truck access, and inquired if more room could be built in for access. Meridian Planning & Zoning .2. December 11, 1978 Hudson stated it was all ready designed in. He was told in advance they could ask for a 50 foot access road and that has been designed in. The have increased the turn around area to 42 feet plus a 30 foot turn on the end where there was none previously. Don Sharp inquired from Bruce Stuart if access was adequate on the back to make a turn. Hudson expalined the distances. Stuart inquired if there would be parking on the end. Hudson stated there would not be parking on either end, and they will be open on the side for 5th wheel truck access. Stuart stated there shouldn't be any problem. Don Sharp inquired if Hudson would do some landscaping to buffer the area from the residential developments. Hudson outlined what has been done with Pine Trees. The front has been landscaped. They would be hoping to landscape the area to make it more attractive to the public. Don Sharp inquired if provisions had been made for fire hydrants. Hudson answered yes, and outlined what was in and what was stubbed off for future development. The motion was made by Rick Orton and seconded by Lee Mitchell, to recommend to the City Council that the Hudson-Mitich Annexation, #2, be annexed as "D" light industrial, with a landscaping plan being submitted, with development plans for review, and they connect to City sewer and water. Motion passed: All yea. Item 3 Enclave Annexation Don Sharp stated the annexation A through I. He stated they will be considered one at a time with a seperate motion cn each parcel. Parcel A: Giesler Annexation Don Sharp called for comment. George Davis stated thereappeared to be a mistake in the legal description and felt it should be tabled and republished. Rick Orton inquired what the nature of the mistake was. Davis stated you go a certain distance one way, then a certain distance North, then back South, which leaves you nowhere. Rick Orton stated it appeared correct on the copy furnished Planning & Zoning, and therefore appeared to be typographical error and inquired what the correct procedure should be. Don Sharp inquired if anyone was present that objected to the annexation. Denise Giesler stated they owned the property it stated 340' North and South. She informed the Commission they were 120' North and South and that there are two parcels of land that are not in the City. The other parcel is not shown on the notice: Rick Orton stated it is possible to have more than one parcel of ownership on an enclave. Giesler stated the other owner was not aware they were comming into the City. She also inquired if they wanted to be rezoned commercial if it was possible. Rick Orton and Don Sharp stated they would considered when and if they came in. Sharp stated now they are being annexed as "A" Residential. The property was outlined and discussed. Joy stated these annexations were compiled by the City Engineer and Attorney. Meridian P 3. r 11, 1978 Rick Orton stated the City Comprehensive Plan called for mixed use in the area of parcel A, and did not preclude the possibility that it was commercial. Don Sharp stated one of the problems Mrs. Giesler might anticipate is other definition of commercial property, to be clusted rather than strip commercial. Lee Mitchell stated he felt this was getting side tracked, they are considering annexation of this as "A" residential. Don Sharp outlined the procedure for a rezone. Lee Mitchell felt that the names should probably not have been place on any parcel. The motion was made by Lee Mitchell and seconded by Rick Orton that Parcel A be annexed as "A" residential. Motion passed: All yea. Parcel B: Cludas Annexation Parcel B, South of Franklin Road was brought before the Commission. Don Sharp called for public comment. There was no comment.. The motion was made by Annette Hinrichs and seconded by Lee Mitchell to recommend to the City Council that Parcel B be annexed; as "A" residential. Motion passed: All yea. Parcel C: Realco, Heffel Annexation Annette Hinrichs pointed out that this parcel has all ready been approved on Oct. 9th. It was confirmed that the annexation was approved Oct. 9th, 1978. Parcel D: McFadden annexation. Lee Mitchell stated he has known the McFaddens for years and abstained from a decision on this parcel. Mrs. McFadden was present to speak on the annexation East side, known as the Pack land was in the City. Don Sharp stated he~couldn't tell. Annette Hinrichs explained the area not in the City question was included in Parcel D. She inquired if the land on the It was decided the land in McFadden stated because it was not in the City she objected on the grounds that she was not surrounded by the City. Don Sharp explained the parcel was surrounded reguardless of the number of owners. McFadden also objected because it is agri:bultural ground and they planned on keeping it agricultural land. They have about 10 acres to continue to farm if it is taken into the city, which would not be economical. They do not want to lose their farm. Rick Orton inquired if they had ever subdivided any part. McFadden replied no. They have their own sewer and well. They have farmed it for 26 years. They object to annexation. Rick Orton stated there is a neeed to clean up these annexations and proceed with orderly development. He dreaded putting anyone off a farm, but didn't feel a 10 acre farm was a life substaining farm anymore. He understood the objection but felt they have received substantial benefit from City services whether they use them or not, at the expense of taxpayers in town. Meridian Planning & Zoning .4. December 11, 1978 The motion was made by Rick Orton and seconded by Annette Hinrichs to recommend to the City Council that Parcel D be annexed as "A" residential. Mrs. McFadden stated although they only have l0 acres there, they have another 20 acres they farm along with it. They have held on to it because they are getting close to retirement time, and hoped to farm it. Motion passed: Ken Tewksbury: yea; Annette Hinrichs: yea; Rick Orton yea; Lee Mitchell: abstained Parcel E: South of Church of God. Don Sharp called for public comment. There was no comment. The motion was made by Lee Mitchell and seconded by Ken Tewksbury to recommend to the City Council the annexation of Parcel E. Motion passed: All yea. Parcel F and G: Parcel F & G were presented as one parcel. Don Sharp called for public comment on the parcels. They are located North of Cherry_ Lane toward Meridian. There was no comment. The motion was made by Annette Hinrichs and seconded by Rick Orton the Commission recommend to the City Council Parcels F & G be annexed as "A" residential. Motion passed: All yea. Parcel H: Parcel H was presented for annexation. Don Sharp outlined the area and called for public comment. There was no comment. The motion was made by Lee Mitchell and secondedby Ken Tewksbury they recommend to the City Council Parcel H be annexed as "A" residential. Motion passed: All yea. Parcel I: The property was outlined. Rick Orton stated it appeared it had been overlooked in previous descriptions. Don Sharp called for public comment. There was no comment. The motion was made by Rick Orton and seconded by Ken Tewksbury to recommend to the C}ty Council Parcel I be annexedas "A" residential. Motion Passed: All yea. This concluded the enclave annexations. Meridian Planning & Zoning .5. December 11, 1978 Item 4 Bethaven Subdivison Preliminary Plat as corrected. Rick Orton abstained from the proceedings becaus his company represented an interest. Les Hankerman from Tudor Engineering was present representing the request. He stated the application was before the Commission two months ago. He outlined previous actions and they are resubmitting with the deletion of the large lot to the East, between the lateral and Nine Mile Creek Drain. There are no other changes. Annette Hinrichs inquired if all duplex lots were identified. Hankerman stated they all have been identified on the Northern perimeter. Don Sharp inquired if he had seen all the comment sheets. Annette Hinrichs inquired if street names matched the Meridian grid system. Hackerman replied Mr. Stucker had discussed it with someone in the City, if there are problems they will be worked out. Don Sharp inquired if they have conformed to City Council policies on minimum square footage, 1350 square feet with two car garages. Hackerman stated it was in linewith the owners intentions. Post Office comments and ACHD standards were outlined. Annette Hinrichs read the Fire Department comments on access to the West. Hackerman stated that is a problem. Lenard drive existing to the West, the neighborinq property is owned by two seperate churches. They questioned providing access and if it would go anywhere. Don Sharp stated he felt it would be beneficial to have another street in there, but didn't know where it would go. Hackerman stated they are willing to work on that to see if they can find a piece of ground to go through, or someone else could utilize the road. It could be worked into the lay out. Don Sharp thought they should require an access street perhaps the L.D.S. property line. Hackerman stated something can be worked out, they have no problem allowing for it. Lee Mitchell inquired about Lot 1, Block 16. Hackerman stated there will be application later on concerning that piece of land. Annette Hinrichs inquired what the acreage was. It was stated at 52 acres. Density was stated at 3.3, 181 lots. Ken Tewksbury inquired if room was provided for widing Cherry Lane. ACHD requires 40 feet access and no access by any lots on Cherry Lane. Sharp inquired if there would be fencing along Cherry Lane. Hackerman stated he wasn't sure, but thought something was going to be put in. Lee Mitchell inquired what contribution was made by this subdivision, schools ect. Hackerman stated there was no interest by the schools. Inquiries had been made. Annette Hinrichs stated contributions could be made from the space along the undeveloped area. • Meridian Planning & Zoning .6. December 11, 1978 The motion was made by Annette Hinrichs and seconded by Ken Tewksbury, to recommend to the City Council approval of Bethaven preliminary plat with provisions for access to the West property if necessary. Motion passed: Tewksbury: yea; Hinrichs: yea; Mitchell: yea; Orton: abstained Item 5 Jensen Lampe Annexation Gene Wright was present representing Nu-Pacific, Jensen and Lampe. Wright outlined the areas requesting annexation. The property is surrounded on two fides by the City it could be taken in by the City at little additional cost. There is one problem it will leave: a 10 acre enclave. It was requested by Planning & Zoning that Wright contact those people to see if they would like to be annexed. They saw no benefit except higher taxes and did not want to be annexed. Annette Hinrichs inquired about the road right-of-way. Wright explained recently the City has requested that a developer annex the entire right-of-way contingent to a proposed annexation request. He stated he didn't know personally the legality of doing that, but they have provided a description at the City's request. Lee Mitchell inquired if it required a pumping station. Wright explained eventually it will be on gravity flow to Black Cat, which will require a permanent lift station. Don Sharp stated the only problem he has is the 10 acre enclave it will leave. Don Sharp called for comments. Michael Murray, owner of 5 acres of the 10 acre enclave the annexation would leave, commented on his concern of the 1~ initiative and what services the City would have to cut back on, such as police service for the area, and fire protection. He does not want to be annexed. Don Sharp stated he felt that the area West would definately have to have a Fire Station in the near future, but stated one of the problems was cost. George Davis the owner of the other 5 acres stated he felt the property in question was too far from town. He stated he felt the City should try to square up, rather than create another enclave. Lee Mitchell stated he felt they should not create another enclave, the City had just spent considerable time and money cleaning up the other enclaves in the City. Gene Wright stated that the area does have services, and Meridian is obviously growing that way. Don Sharp commented that with the precedent that has been established that creating another enclave should be discouraged. The motion was made by Annette Hinrichs and seconded by Ken Tewksbury that the Commission recommend to the City Council the annexation of Parcels 1 and 2, providing they come to City sewer and water when available, as "A" residential. (Parcel 1 and 2, are the Lampe properties, located on the North side of Cherry Lane) George Davis questioned if it was legal to annex in front of people's houses. Rick Orton stated that Parcel 2 has a road right-of-way. Don Sharp called for any other discussion. Motion passed: All yea Don Sharp questioned if the Commission wished to take any action on the other parcel. The motion was made by Rick Orton and seconded by Ken Tewksbury that no further action be taken on parcels 3, 4, and 5, and that they be tabled indefinately. Don Sharp called for any other discussion. Motion passed: All yea. Meridian Planning & Zoning .7. December 11. 1978 Item 6 Crestwood - Linder Road Annexation; Rocky Mountain Estates Annexation Larry Sale was present representing the request. Sale questioned the Commission if they would consider the Crestwood-Linder Road annexation and the Rocky Mountain Estates annexation together, since they are a cooperative venture. The Commission stated they had no objection to considering the two together. Saler. stated the request from Rocky Mountain Estates was for the Easterly 60 acres. He feels Rocky Mountain Estates is the answer to the Commissions concern for open space within the City. Sales stated that Rocky Mountain Estates will be a high quality project. Sale stated that there will be a traffic system designed to handle all the traffic in and out of the area. It will be served with City water and sewer. There will be public use sights made available for acquisition. Rick Orton stated he felt that strip annexating, even for the best of developments, puts it in cross purposes. Orton stated that he felt the planning area is so large, that opening the door to strip annexation to get parcels in, can become a very difficult trend to live with in the future. Orton said he would really like to see these sorts of things either tabled or rejected, whatever the developer's wish is, until the development between them and the City occurs to such an extent that the question of strip annexation and "leap-frogging" is eliminated. Don Sharp stated that he agreed with Orton's comments. Larry Sale commented that the developers can do the things that the Commission is seeking in terms in style and quality of development, because of the size of the parcel. Sales stated that there is no other parcel in the City that can do this type of development without going to a high density, which the developers of this project do not want to do. Sale stated that the developers have asked for annexation so they can work with the City rather than develop in the County, and still use the services of the City. Sale stated they wanted the Commission to recommed to the Council the annexation. He said they felt it is the first project that has the quality the Commission and Council has been asking for. Don Sharp agreed with Sale that Meridian does need quality development, and want quality development. Sharp commented that his concern is the strip annexation. Sharp stated that once the City permits this type of annexation, there will be no basis under which to deny something, and they will have lines running through the County that will serve no purpose. Lee Mitchell stated he agreed the develpment was good, but commented they are trying to cut down on the spiking out of annexations. Sharp again stated his concern of the precedent this type of annexation would establish. The motion was made by Annette Hinrichs and seconded by Rick Orton that the Commission recommend to the City Council the denial of Rocky Mountain Estates and Crestwood. Don Sharp called for any further discussion. There were no other comments or discussion. Motion passed: All yea. Item 7 Taylor Subdivision, Rezone Request (Bruce Stuart) Bruce Stuart stated that he was requesting that the front half of the property be rezoned from "A" Residential tc "C" Commercial. The back half of the lot is already zoned Industrial. The lot is 150' wide by 300' deep. Don Sharp questioned if Stuart would agree to design review by the Commission on the development of the lot. Stuart agreed. • $ December 11, 1978 The motion was made by Lee Mitchell that the rezone be allowed, with design review. The motion was seconded by Rick Orton. Motion passed: All yea. Item g Doxo Properties, Preliminary Plat Mike Frost was present representing the request. There was discussion about the access roads, and street within the subdivision. There was discussion about block length within the development. The motion was made by Annette Hinrichs and seconded by Ken Tewksbury that the Commission recommendthe approval of the Doxo Properties preliminary plat to the City Council, with the roads changed from 46' to 50', and the streets named 14th, and 15th. Motion passed: Hinrichs: yea; Tewksbury: yea; Mitchell: yea; Orton: nay Item 9 Dale A. and Karen D. Babcock, Conditional Use Permit Karen Babcock was present representing the request for a conditional use permit for Home Economic Services in their home located in Cherry Manor Subdivision. Babcock stated that she has been providing these services for 3years, not realizing she needed a permit. Babcock stated that all her neighbors approved of this use. Babcock also stated that she is a neighborhood service. Lee Mitchell inquired about the number of vehicle parking there at any given time. Babcock stated that there would be room for 6 cars easily, and there would not be that many more than twice a week. Don Sharp questioned how many children Babcock normally babysits. Babcock stated than the average is 4.5 children. Some days may have as many as 10. Joy questioned Babcock if she was licensed by the State for child care. Babcock stated she was not licensed. Don Sharp commented they need to discuss the number of children that would be allowed. Rick Orton questioned what the Comprehensive Plan called for in this area. Don Sharp stated he would like to approve this permit with certain restrictions as to the maxium number of children at one time,and the number of vehicles to be parked there at any one time, so as not to create a traffic problem in the neighborhood. The motion was made by Lee Mitchell and seconded by Ken Tewksbury that the Babcock's be allowed the conditional use permit with no signing, a maxium of 3 on street vehicles, an orderly non-disturbing operation, and conform to all City standards and codes. Motion passed: All yea ' Item 10 Hendren Annexation #2 Larry Sale was present representing the request. Sale explain that the property is contiguous to the City, is in accordance with the Comprehensive Plan, will be served by public utilities when developed, and is third in a series of annexations by the people that are planning developments in accordance with the Treasure Valley Shopping Center. Meridian Planning & Zoning .9. December 11, 1978 Access was discussed. Don Sharp stated he had no objection to annexating this as "A" residential, so the Commission could take a look at density later on. Don Sharp called for any comments or discussion. There were none. The motion was made by Rick Orton and seconded by. Ken Tewskbury that the Commission recommend to the City Council the annexation of Hendren #2-"^"A" residential. Motion Passed: All yea. Item 11 Stubblefield Development Annexation There was no one present representing the request. The request remained tabled. Item 12 Richard L. Ennis, Conditional Use Permit There was no one present representing the request. Annette Hinrichs stated she does not want to grant this permit. She stated it was not appropriate for a residential area. The Motion was made by Annette Hirichs that the Commission recommend to the Council the denial of the Conditional Use Permit for a tobacco shop. The motion died for lack of a second. The request remained tabled. Item There was discussion on Crestwood #2. They wished final plat approval, but were not 13 on the agenda. The Commission was not prepared to act on the proposal. Item Don Sharp brought up a discussion on County Requests. 14 Lee Mitchell questioned if the County would give the Commission more time. Patrick Joy stated that he had called the County and complained that some of the comments were due by the 30th, were for the 27th. Joy stated that he had talked to them several times since then. Joy suggested to the Commission and City Council that they get a policy out of the County where they can not act on a request in our impact area unless we respond. There was discussionon the time factor on the comment sheets. Joy stated it was important to have our comments when it concerned our impact area. Don Sharp stated he didn't feel that the problem had been adequately handled. He stated we need to take a position on the Soutwest area to force a community sewer system. Annette Hinrichs commented we need to get more timely responses. There was more discussion on this. The meeting was adjourned at 11:45 P.M. Chairman Attest: City Clerk