1979 03-12
AGENDA
Meridian Planning & Zoning
March 12, 1979
ITEM: l: h4inutes approved from previous meeting
Z; Conditional Use Permit for Clarence Clawson - 12371/2E. 2 1/2 Street
Located in Original High School Parcel
Telephone Answering Service in home (N. of School property on 2 1/2 St.)
DENIED
3: Southgate, Annexation request - Zoned C Located W. of f•1eridian St.
Approved subject to conditions South on Overland
~: Crestwood Estates, Rezone request to Commercial
Located at S.E. Intersection Linder-Franklin
Tabled
5: Crestwood Estates #3, Preliminary Plat
Located at S.E. Intersection of Linder & Franklin
APPROVED contingent on meeting all Codes & extend 12th Street
6: Cherry Lane Village #3, Preliminary Plat
Located N.4•J. of Cherry Lane and Ten Mile
Approved
7: Citizen Centerk Business Office Development - Design Review
Located in North Meridian Business Annex. - East of Cherry Plaza on N. Fairview
Approved
8. Four-Plex at 210 E. Ada, Design Review
Requested by Mr. Leishman - Located in Bowers 2nd Addition Annex
A roved 3 Units contingent on resubmittal
9. Rocky Mountain Sprinkler in Crestwood Industrial Park - Design Review
Approved
10. Terra Subdivision - Final Plat
Roy Johnson representing.
Passed on to City Council without recommendation
11. Peridian Park - Final Plat (Capitol Development)
Roy Johnson representing.
Approved contingent on 50 foot roads (Also correction of minutes 9.19.78)
12. Cherry Creek Mobile Home Park - Preliminary Plat
Cope represented.
Passed on to City Council without recommendation
13. Cherry Creek, Rezone Request from Residential to Commercial and Industrial
Approval of rezone Commercial to City Council with design review.
Denied request to Industrial
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Meridian Planning & Zoning March 12, 1979
The meeting was called to order at 8:05 P. M. by Don Sharp, Chairman
All Commission members were present: Orton; Hinrichs; Pipkin; Mitchell and Tewksbury
Agenda
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Agenda
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Others present: Roy B. Johnson; Rick Thurber; Liz Crane; Bill Viers; Lila Wilch;
F. Hanson; Carol Storkan; Bud Person; Gene Shaffer; Marc Hansen
K. Frederickson; H. Foley; Steve Smylie; Al Chastain; Irene Chastain
Lucile Deppler; Dick Obendorf; Alan GiltzoW; Phyllis Rainey;
Lahore Johnson; Bruce Kuhl; Laura Conner; Dorothy Russell; Evan Law
Cecil Thomas; Donna Cooknell; Gaylin Leishman; Tom Magraf;
Ron Blakely; Mr. & Mrs. Jack Crane; Tom Piepmeyer; Dave Schmidt, Arch.
John Matzinger; R. B. Glenn; Marilyn Olmstead; Steven Mortensen
Minutes of the previous meeting were approved as read.
Conditional Use Permit for Clarence Clauson
Clarence Clauson was present the representing the request. He stated that they want to
convert an appartment to phone solicitation for Publishing Readers Service Company.
Mitchell inquired if there are any live-ins
There were none, it is to be a business.
Traffic was discussed.
Orton inquired if the house was separated
application instead of a rezone request.
He also inquired if this was a correct
Sharp stated that he is concerned with taking a residential area and making a business
out of it. He felt it should be a rezone request.
Mitchell clarified the point that a commercial enterprise with no live-ins should be
processed as a rezone.
The Motion was made by Hinrich to deny a Conditional Use Permit at 12371/ZStreet,
seconded by Tewksbury.
Pipkin disqualified himself from voting on this issue.
Motion Carried. (Pipkin Abstained)
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Southgate, Annexation request
John Cooknell was present representing the request.
He presented a history of their Company and discussed the Meridian Comprehensive Plan.
They are proposing a shopping mall and feel that they have the best site. Engineering
will be Blakely from Nampa, Harrison Stapley Structural Engineers, Meridian,
and others.
The contiguous points to the City was discussed.
Cooknell stated that County Zoning for Parcel A is 1/2 commercial, 1/2 manufacturing.
For Parcel A and B they are requesting Commercial zoning.
They propose sewering the property down overland into the Meridian Greens line. They
have made minor adjustments in the Plat submitted earlier.
They have worked out access to roads with ACHD.
Tenants were undetermined until they are approved.
They feel their center fits the City Master Plan and will attract people to the City.
The Highway count for I80 is 40,000 vehicles per day. Meridian-Kuna Road count is
7,000 to 10,000 per day.
The Center should supply the Meridian area with $60,000 in Tax revenues per year.
Other income would be sewer charges. Local City service functions will be enhanced
by new businessmen. Most of the estimated employees of 300 will come from Meridian.
They feel it is a first step in the expansion of Meridian. The Nahas proposal and
theirs are complimentary to each other. The building will be fully sprinkled and they
have a good fire history.
G. Shaffer outlined the design pattern. They have choosen a mining direction.
It will all be planned and designed to compliment each other. They have considered
security for their parking areas and the ecology of the creek system.
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enda Southgate (Cont'd)
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Cooknell in closing stated that they felt their Center will provide a tax base without
excessive service requirements.
Mitchell inquired why they wanted to pump east instead of Ten Mile.
Orton pointed out this would be decreasing capacity from another drainage.
He stated that he would like to see the sewer flow down Ten Mile.
Ron Blakely, Engineer, stated that they were looking at proposals and shared Orton's
concerns. They will investigate the possibility of sewering down Ten Mile.
Sharp agreed with Orton on sewering down Ten Mile.
Cooknell stated that their concern is obtaining access to lay the Ten Mile line.
They are open to the desires of the City for routing sewage and water.
Availability of easements was discussed. Cooknell stated that if the easements were
available they would undertake the project.
Orton inquired if Parcel B was annexed to get a contiguous point for annexation.
Cooknell stated yes, they have conformed to the City Attorney's best access method.
Hinrich stated parts left bothered the City.
Sharp inquired if the legal discription was accurate.
Cooknell stated that there are minor discrepancies along the canal.
Hinrich read the comments from City Engineering.
Mitchell stated that he felt the entire clover leaf should be included.
Sharp agreed.
State property and plans for it was discussed.
Cooknell stated that they want it to look as good as possible.
Hinrich stated that she would like to see a commitment on landscaping in writing.
Cooknell stated that they would comply and explained the proposed landscaping and
stated their prospective tenants also require it.
Parcel B was discussed.
Cooknell stated that the State has been negotiating with the property owners for an
on-ramp.
Sharp inquired about a timetable for construction.
Cooknell stated that they hoped to start this summer, completion and opening by 1980.
Tewksbury outlined police conerns.
Cooknell stated that they haven't had problems with past developments and stated
they hoped to get a bank in for their merchants.
Pipkin suggested an amenity to the City might include a police vehicle.
Cooknell stated revenues produced could cover these types of costs.
The Tax generated was broken down and outlined per taxing units.
Taxes were discussed.
Bill Howell, citizen, inquired if the proposed sewer would allow any other hook-ups
scuth of the proposal. The topography of the land was discussed and sewer flows.
Pipkin outlined the drainage should flow with Ten Mile Creek.
Howell inquired if they applied for annexation if their property could be sewered.
It was discussed.
Sharp stated all sewer lines would be to City specification and provide access to
adjoining property.
Crooknell stated a stipulation of approval could be that the sewer would have to be
placed down Ten Mile.
Meridian Pl
Agenda Southgate, Annexation (Cont'd)
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March 12. 1979
Steve Gratton inquired if they have purchased the site.
Cooknell stated that they have not taken an option but have money down. They have
more than $100,000 tied up on their purchase.
Gratton asked for clarification on the $60,000. It is to the School, Library, City
and other.
Tewksbury stated that he would like to see the entire clover leaf come in on the
annexation request if approved. Sharp agreed.
Sharp stated consideration includes: 1) where a sewer line should go 2) should
they cross the Freeway on that side of Meridian Road.
Orton stated that the proposal meets the Comprehensive Plan intent for that area.
Sewer-water plans and how it fits into the City are considerations. The developer
seems ameanable to working with the City. It gives the community some leverage to
get the exit finished if Planning and Zoning requires the easement be given.
The Motion was made by Orton and seconded by Pipkin that the annexation request be
approved subject to the conditions based on full compliance with the existing sewer
plan to sewer down Ten Mile Creek; full compliance with the water plan and they
abide by the increased annexation of the entire Clover leaf.
Cooknell stated that he would have that information available for the City Council.
Motion Carried: All Yea
Agenda
4 Crestwood Estates, Rezone request to Commercial.
John Matzinger was present representing the request.
He outlined the rezone area. The Commercial center is a neighborhood Center 2 1/2
acres with access limited to Linder Road. The parking was established by ratio.
Tenants have not been secured, the building would be architecturally controlled
with one owner. They are relatively small stores with some professional type offices.
City services are available.
Tewksbury stated that his concern with the smaller size. The Comprehensive Plan
calls for four (4) to eight (8) acres, 30,000 to 100,000 square feet.
The size and number of shops were discussed.
Dave Schmidt stated it is to be a neighborhood commercial beauty parlor, barber shop,
laundry, ect.
Bud Persons inquired how it would effect his property.
Sharp stated that they are separate requests.
Person stated his request was submitted prior to this request and should have priority.
Carol Storkan, property owner in the Persons proposal, stated her concerns that their
request be considered first.
Orton stated that this had been his comment and the difficulty of placing requests in
chronological order had been outlined to him by other members.
Persons stated that the Comprehensive Plan calls for 4 to 8 acres, their proposal
fits this criteria. The Comprehensive Plan Neighborhood centers criteria was outlined
and discussed.
Schmidt stated that they choose not to present a large center because they do not see
the demand in the near future. He didn't feel there was a inherent conflict between
the two proposals. It was discussed.
Hinrich inquired if Persons felt it would hurt his business. He did not, but wanted
to be careful not to get clocked out of his.
Meridian Planning & Zoning .4. Marcfi 12, 1979
Agenda Crestwood Estates, Rezone Request Commercial (Cont'd)
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Sharp stated that he wanted to give it further consideration.
Persons requested to be notified. Sharp would not commit the City Clerk.
The Motion was made by Mitchell and seconded by Hinrich to table the request to rezone
to Commercial Crestwood Estates for additional consideration.
Motion Carried: All yea
Agenda
5 Crestwood Estates #3, Preliminary Plat.
John Matzinger was representing the request. He outlined the proposal: 98 Units;
40 Townhouses; 53 zero lot lines and 6 single family.
Pipkin inquired if 12th Street would cross the canal. It did not., Matzinaerstated -
the farm house would remain until they grow into it, density was 4..07 gross,6.3 net.
Mitchell felt it looked fuller than the figure indica*_ed.
Orton clarified the development structure.
It was clarified that each unit would have a two car garage. The Units along Franklin Rd.
were discussed,
Orton inquired if they had contingency plans for residential in their proposed
commercial zone.
Matzinger stated it could if,need be, work in a residential scheme. It was also
clarified that the commercial request could be increased.
Tewksbury inquired about the ponds. It was clarified they are to meet the drainage
requirements.
12th Street was discussed; access to other properties was discussed.
Mitchell inquired if there would be an acceleration-deceleration lane.
The Motion was made by Mitchell and seconded by Hinrich to recommend to the City
Council approval of the Preliminary Plat for Crestwood #3, contingent on meeting all
Codes and they make every effort to extend 12th Street.
Tewksbury inquired if the problem of access has been corrected.
Motion Carried: All yea
(Agenda
6 Cherry Lane Village #3 - Preliminary Plat.
Gene Wright was present representing the request and introduced Marilyn Olmstead, also
with J-U-B Engineers, Inc.
He outlined some revisions in the Plat on streets. They are requesting variances
(see application for blocks in access of 1,000 feet). Most revisions are in the
streets.
Sharp inquired about the letter reference to options. Wright explained some property
is only on option.
Hinrich brought up the need fora Fire Department sub-station. Public ground was
discussed. The dedicated school site to the north was discussed. If Nu Pacific
does not option the property they will have to move the site south.
Orton inquired about double frontage lots. Wright explained that they will all
access into the Subdivision, he explained they comply with the ordinances.
He outlined the development structure.
The Motion was made by Pipkin and seconded by Tewksbury to recommend approval of Cherry
Lane Village #3 Preliminary Plat to the City Council.
Motion Carried: All yea
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Meridian Planning & Zoning .5.
Agenda Citizen Center, Business Office Development - Design Review
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Dick Obendorf was present representing the request.
Pipkin abstained from consideration because of a family tie.
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March 12, 1979
Obendorf stated that it will be a financial center. Citizen Bank has purchased property.
He outlined changes in the design. They will provide office space with possibly
limited retail. He outlined traffic patterns. They have agreements with Zatica
but not to the east. They are planning for limited traffic type businesses.
Tewksbury inquired if there was plans for the corner. Obendorf presented a ACHD plan
for the north curve. The designs were discussed.
Alan Giltzow discussed parking. He stated that Citizens Bank is committed to the
project.
The Motion was made by Tewksbury and seconded by Orton to accept the Design Review of
Citizens Center.
Orton pointed out that there is .6 to .7 miles with no access to the north and that
any extension will be a problem. This should be kept in mind.
Motion Carried: Pipkin Abstained; All yea
Agenda
8 four-Plex at 210 E. Ada, Design Review.
Gordon Leishman was present representing the request. He stated that they want to
tear down the present house and put in a Four-Plex. Parking was discussed - there
is access for four (4) places from the alley and four (4) from East Ada.
Orton inquired what the density would be; it was calculated to be 21.
Sharp inquired who would live in there.
Leishman stated perhaps Senior Citizens or small families.
Orton outlined the Comprehensive Plan recommendations for Qld Town but felt there was
a problem with the density.
Sharp outlined it was a mixed use area.
Tewksbury discussed alleys.
Orton inquired if they would resubmit at an acceptable density.
Leishman stated that they could cut one unit out and go fora Tri-Plex.
The Motion was made by Orton and seconded by Pipkin that they recommend approval of
three (3) units or 15 units per acre, contingent on resubmittal.
Motion Carried: Tewksbury, nay
Agenda
9 Rocky Mountain Sprinkler in Crestwood Industrial Park - Design Review.
Evan Law was present representing the request. He outlined their proposal.
Sharp inquired what they would be using the property for.
They will be manufacturing sprinklers. It was clarified that their buildings will be
the same as those put up by Huico.
Law stated that the water and sewer lines are in place along with other utilities.
They have complied with City ordinances.
Orton stated that he felt more information was needed.
The Motion was made by Mitchell and seconded by Tewksbury to accept the Design
submitted from Rocky Mountain Sprinkler.
Motion Carried: All Yea
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Meridian Planning & Zoning .6. March 12, 1979
Agenda Terra Subdivision - Final Plat
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Roy Johnson was present representing the request. He stated that the Subdivision
was approved by the City Council.
Hinrich inquired what the density was. He stated that they had 24 units.
Sharp suggested it be passed on to the City Council without recommendation or denied.
The (lotion was made by Hinrich and seconded by Orton to pass this on to the City
Council without recommendation.
Orton stated that he would like to ask the City Council to explain their override
of previous rejections. Planning and Zoning were in compliance with the Comprehensive
Plan and he would like to know why they were overridden.
Joy Stated that he would ask for clarification.
Motion Carried: Mitchell, Nay
Agenda
11 Meridian Park - Final Plat
Roy Johnson was present representing the request. They have two (2) streets that are
46 feet in width.
Mitchell clarified that they requested 50 foot streets from the beginning of this
development.
Johnson stated that they will change the Plat to 50 foot.
Orton inquired if the Comprehensive Plan called for a Green belt.
Johnson stated that he needs a variance because of length to designate two streets
as minor streets. He stated Five Mile Drain has a 100 foot easement. They will deed
the Creek over to BOR.
The ditch and easement was discussed.
The Plotion was made by Orton and seconded by Mitchell to recommend approval of
Meridian Park Final Plat to the City Council contingent on 50 foot roads.
Motion Carried: All yea
The Motion was made by Hinrich and seconded by Pipkin to correct the minutes of
Planning and Zoning for September 19, 1978, Agenda Item 10, paragraph 8, to read
including 50 foot right-of-way.
Motion Carried: All yea
Agenda
12 Cherry Creek Mobile Home Park - Preliminary Plat
Orton stated that he had worked on this project and would abstain from voting on
the request.
Cope was present representing the request. He outlined the area of the Plat.
The collector street is 60' with 50' collectors of this and 36' minor collectors.
This fits the Meridian Mobile Home Ordinance 207. They will fence and berm the park.
There are interior parks. They will develop in phases.
Hinrich clarified the request is fora Mobile Home Park, a complex owner situation.
Water and sewer considerations were reviewed.
Pipkin inquired how much frontage the property has, it is approximately 620'.
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Hinrich clarified the property would/bermed and fenced.
A moritorium on Mobile Home Parks was discussed.
Cope stated that they were aware of it but they see a need for it and this one would
be an asset to the City. Lots are larger than required. It will all be fenced.
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Meridian Plannin & Zonin .7. March 12, 1979
Agenda Cherry Creek Mobile Home Park - (Cont'd)
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Tewksbury inquired who would provide for the care of the property.
It was stated that it will be the owners responsibility.
Cope stated that they will put a walkway down the canal.
Hinrich inquired what the density is. It was clarified at gross 5.+ per acre.
Policing it for an adult park was discussed. It was outlined that it wouldn't hold up.
Tewksbury inquired about the 36' streets and requested clarification.
Cope stated that the 36' street came out of the City Code Book.
It was pointed out that these are private roadways.
Orton explained the streets are 36' curb back to curb back.
Orton stated that the water and sewer plans have been designed to comply.The sewer
will comply when it is economically feasible.
He pointed out on the water system that there is a 10" oversized line on the 1/4
mile section line. All the rest are a minimum of 6". The hydrants have been placed
to comply with the requirement if there is a need for additional hydrants they will
comply. They have located valves in the water system to protect for possible breaks.
The sewer collection system lies in two drainages. The Comprehensive Plan calls for
a collector down Black Cat Road and down Ten Mile Creek.
Orton outlined City requirements for laying of lines, Fuller is amenable to working
with the two developers or others to lay the line. At this point they want to drain
the Subdivision through a lift station to Cherry Lane Village.
They have talked to Cherry Lane Engineers and feel this is a temporary solution.
At this time it is not economically feasible.
Mitchell inquired how many meters would serve the development.
Orton outlined alternatives and proposes one meter now. They will work with the City.
The number of meters was discussed. It was felt it would be more cost efficient to
make one billing.
Joy stated that he thought the City would be responsible for sewer lines because of
State requirements.
Joy inquired if a lift station was in for more than one year, who would pay the charges.
It was clarified that Fuller would be responsible for the lift station as long as it
is needed.
Sharp inquired if Planning and Zoning should hear any Mobile Home requests and asked
for discussion. He stated his concern with the Fire Department comment.
Hinrich inquired if the Council was hearing this type of proposal.
Tewksbury stated that is not of concern to the Planning and Zoning. They should make
a determination. He stated some have been passed by because the City wasn't accepting
any. He felt a public statement should be made to advise interested persons that
Planning and Zoning is looking at the requests.
The Motion was made by Hinrich and seconded by Pipkin to table the request and to
obtain an advisory opinion from the Council.
Motion Carried. Tewksbury, Nay
There was general discussion on how to proceed and the Council's position.
Orton inquired if the developers would like to go to the Council.
Fuller stated that they would like to proceed - they have a large investment in the
proposal.
Mitchell stated that they could withdraw all Motions and move it to the Council
without recommendation.
The Motion to table was withdrawn.
Meridian Planning & Zoning .8. March 12, 1979
Ag12da Cherry Creek Mobile Home Park - (Cont'd)
The Motion was made by Mitchell to pass Cherry Creek Mobile Manor on to the City
Council without recommendation.
Tewksbury stated that he felt that they should take a stronger position. He is in
favor of the request as long as everyone else gets a fair chance.
Fuller stated that he ran his request by Doug Eardman, Greenbelt Coordinator for Boise,
who felt it was a good plan.
Gordon inquired if they could pass this on to the City Council for approval with
consideration of prior requests.
Tewksbury stated that he recommended approval following investigation for prior requests.
It was discussed.
Sharp inquired about the Fire Comment. He felt it was a real concern and well founded.
The Motion died lacking a second.
Tewksbury stated that the Planning & Zoning should go on record that they feel it is
time to start considering Mobile Home Parks. The procedure to take was discussed.
The Motion was made by Mitchell and seconded by Tewksbury to move the request of
Cherry Creek Mobile Home Park on to the City Council without recommendation.
Motion Carried. Orton abstained
Agenda Cherry Creek, Rezone Request from Residential to Commercial and Industrial
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Hinrich inquired what type of Commercial they want.
Gordon stated neighborhood shopping center, bank, groceries, professiona'. offices and
service station. He outlined who would be served.
It is approximately 9.2 acres.
Recreational Vehicle parking was discussed.
Sharp stated he is opposed to granting an Industrial zone.
Fuller stated that they want to supply storage for Cherry Lane and surrounding areas.
They are applying for the same thing as the Hudson-Mitich property has.
Sharp didn't feel Industrial fits but that doesn't exclude storage. He felt it should
come in as a Conditional Use Permit.
Fuller stated that he is agreeable to that approach.
Mitchell requested that the Industrial be resubmitted for consideration with a
different zone.
Steven Mortenson, LD.S. Church, pointed out this request violates the Comprehensive
Plan and felt if this type of Commercial was allowed.it would develop into another
Fairview.
It was clarified what the Comprehensive Plan calls for. The acreage was discussed.
The canal was discussed.
The Motion was made by Pipkin and seconded by Hinrich to recommend approval of the
Cherry Creek Commercial rezone to the City Council with design review.
Motion Carried. Orton Abstained
The Motion was made by Hinrich and seconded by Tewksbury to recommend denial of the
Cherry Creek Rezone request to Industrial.
Motion Carried. Orton Abstained.
dian Planning & Zoni
Agenda Cherry Creek, Rezone Request (Cont'd)
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Sharp recommended a Conditional Use Permit for the storage area
Mitchell stated that Commercial woul
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Hinrich moved to adjourn at }O:irs P.
Motion Carried.
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Chairman
ATTEST:
2. 1979
It was discussed.
cc: Mayor & Council, P&Z Commission;Pat Joy;Stuart;Schoen;Ward
Actg. Police Chief;J-U-B;Hein;Fitzgerald;Fire Chief;
AIC;APA;Ada Zoning Director;Ada Commissioners;ACHD;
Central Health;Nampa-Meridian Irrg;High School Original Annex;
(Clauson); Southgate;Crestwood Estates Rezone;Crestwood Estates #3;
Cherry Lane Village #3;Citizen Center (North Meridian Business Annex)
Leishman 4-Plex (Bowers 2nd Add.); Rocky Mtn. Sprinkler (Crestwood
Industrial Park); Terra Sub; Meridian Park; Cherry Creek Mobile
Home Park;Cherry Creek Rezone Request;