1980 10-14
AGENDA
Meridian Planning and Zoning
October 14, 1980
ITEM:
Minutes of previous meeting were approved as read.
1. Western Ada Recreation report.
2. Hearing - Ordinance change for Planning and 7_oning Member in
Impact Area. Approved.
3. Settlers Village Preliminary Replat - Norus Annexation - Recommended
Approval.
4. Arnold Annexation - Industrial - 2025 W. Pine - Recommended Denial
because of the sewerage disposal requiring a pump station, creating
an enclave and industrial next to a school.
5. Linder Park Annexation - Industrial - N. Linder - 127 acres -
Recommended Rpproval.
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J.M.K. Properties Annexation - Commercial - NE corner of Franklin
=_r - Recommended Approval with conditions; with design review,
th the understanding that common retail commercial be pre-
Day Care Conditional Ilse - 805 W. 4th. - Recommended Approval.
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Agenda
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Zoning _ October
Regular Planning and Zoning meeting called to order by Chairman Don Sharp at 8:40 p.m.
Members present: Annette Hinrichs, Burl Pinkin, Bob Spencer,
Lee Mitchell; absent.
Others attending: A. G. Stoeger, N. B. Towne, Phyllis Rainey, Lee Stucker, Bill
Blankinship, Norm Noonan, Don Hubble, Thea Matlock, Martin Igo,
Howard Foley, Ronald Van Auker, Laura Conner, Rick Orton, Ken Montee.
Minutes of the previous meeting were approved as read.
Western Ada Recreation District Regional Park.
Rick Orton, Tudor Engineering Company was oresent to illustrate proposal of a public
park, 26 acres, south of Cherry Lane and east of Ten ~9ile Rd. Land has been donated by
Jim Fuller. Plan includes baseball and softball field, horseshoe pits, ,jogging paths,
oicnic sites, group shelter, tot lot, outdoor amphitheater and a covered swimming pool.
Four year construction, total cost estimated at $1,349,370. The ldestern Ada County
Recreation District has applied for matching funds available from the State's Land and
Conservation Fund.
Hearing - Planning and Zoning member.
Chairman Sharp opened the hearing regarding a oroposed ordinance expanding the quali-
fications of the City of Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission members to include those
persons residing in the City of Meridian Area of Impact.
There was no public comment.
The f4otion was made by Hinrichs and seconded by Pipkin to adopt an ordinance expanding
the qualifications of the City of Meridian Planning Commission members to include those
persons residing in the City of Meridian Area of Impact.
Motion Carried: All ,yea.
Agenda
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Settlers Village Replat - Preliminary
Bill Blankinship, Norm Noonan and Don Hubble were present to request preliminary reolat
approval of Settlers Village located E. Fairview, Norus Annexation. There has been new
owners, rezone and now a replat request since preliminary approval in 1978. New covenant<
and restrictions have been approved. Blankinship explained the necessity of lot size
changes, displayed map showing two-story unit nroups, garage in front, home in back.
There was discussion concerning fences in the back of the oroup of units. Noonan stated
they will confer with the fire department as access needs to be worked out with the fire
chief. It was the feeling that these units need screening for privacy. Blankinship
pointed out the design of units with more than one access, allowing safety, masonry,
two hour fire walls, fire walls run from foundation clear up to roof, no utilities run
up through this wall.
Noonan stated this is a preliminary renlat and they are in the orocess of going over the
lots, verifying and surveying data, checking grades, and clarifying technical matters.
Blankinship stated they will be back before this Commission with-the final plat and
engineering data.
Certified mailing was completed.
The Motion was made by Hinrichs and seconded by Soencer that the Commission recommend to
the City Council, approval of Settlers Village Preliminary Replat.
Motion Carried: All yea.
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Arnold Annexation Appeal
Howard Foley, Attorney and Lee Stucker were present, representing Arnold Farm. Property
is located at 2025 W. Pine and consists of 50 acres between railway and W. Pine.
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Annexation request had been submitted for Commission Hearing as Industrial Zoning with
200 feet Commercial along W. Pine. Commission denied request because of Commercial and
Industrial zoning along W. Pine contiguous to Sr. High School grounds. Appeal was made
to the City Council - Council sent proposal back to this Commission for further review
on 9-15-80 with the deletion of "C" Commercial strip zoning faced on lJ. Pine.
Foley stated that it was his understanding that the City Council had approved the Arnold
application, but there was some concern that because of the public notice including the
"C" Commercial strip the Council requested this to come back before the Commission request
ing total property "D" Light Industrial zoning.
Basically, Foley stated, "this piece of property, the way it lays along the railroad tracks
the highest and best use dictates light industrial use. It would be hard to imagine,
because of the railroad track, a serious invester or builder going in and building either
a single or multi-family structure. It would be hard to imagine a medium or high denisty
residential with that background noise of railroad."
Foley stated the Commission's comments were well taken on the commercial use and addresse<
the control of truck traffic not allowed on W. Pine, as is not allowed down Meridian St.
now. He felt the property falls into an annexation pattern, that it would provide the
City with an industrial parcel within the limits for those people looking for sites withir
the City. Mrs. Arnold has no problem with the requirement,design review as to flamables,
nontoxics, etc.
Sharp questioned if this area would have a pump station for the sewerage.
Stucker stated that the line is on S/W corner of High School property which is roughly
600 feet onto Arnold property. He was not sure about gravity flow, or how deep.
Pipkin questioned enclaves (Price, Fenstermaker and Ricb). There was much discussion
concerning enclaves.
Spencer questioned if anyone had talked to anyone (Price, Rick and Fenstermaker) to see
if they consider coming in.
Foley's answer was not their position to force this.
Sharp felt,'bt this point of time, the City did not need additional land annexed for
residential use. I do not feel this is in compliance with Comprehensive Plan."
Hinrichs: "I am not convinced that railroads are that horrible for housing. I lived on
a freeway and that is absolutely the worst place."
Hinrichs read from Comprehensive Plan Page 17, paragraph 7 - "Industrial development
should not be located adjacent to primary and secondary schools."
Foley: "I would like to point out On Page 16, No. 2 - Industrial development within the
City limits should receive the highest priority."
Hinrichs: "Just because you give it priority does not mean you give it license - it still
has to conform with the requirements of orderly growth - growth that will benefit the
community. And again I'm concerned about the strip of industrial that is cutting our City
in half. This was our concern when we made our Comprehensive Plan."
PipkinquestioneBi CSt}~, Engineer's remark of the C. W. Moore mention in the legal descrip-
tion, Also to include the northerly half of the railroad.
Foley stated that he could not answer to the question of C. W. Moore named in the deed.
He stated that the legal description of the northerly half of the railroad.vcas not includec
because they did not own that portion.
Annette stated this is a policy upon annexation to annex this portion to the northerly
1/2 of railroad easement included.
Pipkin suggested they go back to the original book of plats to find out where the Moore
description is.
Hinrichs read from Lee Mitchell's comments at this time. "What if the front half residen-
tial and the back half industrial and then work with Linder Park Industrial across the
tracks."
The industrial access and traffic would not be onto Pine St.
Pipkin again expressed his concern about the southwest lateral area would reouire a
pumping station and also granting this annexation would create an enclave which is against
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City policy.
Spencer stated this was his main concern also.
Because of these two features, Pipkin stated, at this point, they cannot approve annexatio
Foley suggested that annexation could be based upon if there be a necessity of a pump
station that it be put in and cost be borne by developer.
Pipkin stated that the problem with that is that once the development is put in, it become
an expense to the City.
There was discussion concerning pump stations, Gravity flow points were discussed.
Chairman Sharp called for public comment. There was none.
The Motion was made by Pipkin and seconded by Spencer that the Commission recommend denial
because of sewerage disposal requiring a pump station, creating an enclave and Industrial
next to a school -Arnold Annexation.
Motion Carried: All veg.
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5 Linder Park Annexation
Proposal had been tabled on 9-15-80.
Ken Montee was present to represent the request of Linder Park, 127 acres located off of
N. Linder and W. Franklin.
Montee stated that they had talked to other property owners (enclaves) and worked with
Marty Igo (J.M.K. Properties). He stated that Mrs.. Williamson, owner of property that
would be a created enclave, was not jnterested and was going to ask for approval condition<
upon bringing this property in. Montee introduced Mr. Ronald Van Auker, property owner
and developer, who was present to answer any puestions concerning timing on getting tenant
the building, making this a project different than the City has previously annexed and
rezoned.
The Commission pointed out that there has been so much speculation and yet nothing happen
so much ground is zoned and nothing has been done.
Montee explained process of development. Van Auker does a lot of development, where he
keeps the property and leases the property out. There would be ,joint development, build
the buildings and lease them out. Half of this property can be served by the line on
Linder, the rest would be lift stations, private and maintained by property owners. Mont
stated he did not think this would be liability in any way to the City. "As far as
creating an enclave, I cannot see how Meridian will grow without creating enclaves."
Hinrichs: "We have flat out denied annexation because of that."
Sharp; "There would have to be some overriding benefit to the City that was of signifi
value."
Hinrichs explained the burden upon the police and fire departments caused by enclaves.
Montee: "lde feel very confident we can bring in all property owners to square up our
development. We feel confident we can develop it - we do not feel confident we can bri
in Mrs. Williamson."
The acre lots (Hepper homes) were discussed which were also enclaves that separate
Williamson property from Linder Park.
Marty Igo stated that Mrs. Williamson has taken the position that since she owned 27
currently farming it, she does not want to he in the City and no changes in zoning.
does not mind what he does with his property (J.M.K.) or the others, but not bothered
hers.
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Sharp addressed Van Auker: "The City has been approached by developers with a degree of I
urgency because someone was ready to do something and yet not one spade of dirt has been
turned on what I consider very good industrial ground."
Van Auker: "Number one, is that the access to the freeway is important, the rail, City
fire protection, City water and sewer is extremely important. 48% of major tenants to
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are your major users. Multi-National and National companys will not go on a piece of
ground that does not have sewer, water that is not in or close to City services. The
industry that your City wants, and can be acquired for this area, is more responsive and
will be more responsive to the community. For example, one area that has been annexed
was purchased through a group of speculators, last sale was approximately $890,000 and
now on the market for 2.2 million dollars. You are so feed down that by the time the
cost is down to the consumer, it is 40 to 45 thousand dollars an acre, or 50."
Van Auker explained process of Nampa, Caldwell and Boise and Idaho in general in detail.
Tape on file with City Clerk.
He felt they were more responsible, earthy and more
"Industry brings in taxes and without taxes we can't
think that whole corridor ('W. Franklin and Railroad)
industrial - the only railroad track in the valley -
freeway in this valley."
involved than most developers.
survive, but still be selective. I
in 25, 30 to 50 years will be
parallel to the freeway, the only
He also stated, through the proper process, which is in reach, this would be something
Meridian would be proud of.
Montee: "I feel that one reason the property (annexed} has not been developed is because
the people who are doing it are not actually involved in industry or in the physical
development of the improvements. I have never ever went in and rezoned property and not
develop it and I have been involved in several developments. Our intentions are to
develop it."
Van Auker explained the realistic way of putting in this nark, cost being much less per
acre, making ready for industry and a place to put these people, He explained government
grants for sewer and water lines because of total impact of pbs - nonreimbursable. The
pay back to the community is worth the grant.
Montee explained that the actual recorded deeds were nicked up from each property owner
and the Howell and Ratigan property have the same legal description. "We propose to
provide four (4) property corners, at the time of actual annexation and rezone, everyone
involved would sign and agree annexation, and anyone that had sold or thought they sold,
can work out their own little problems - but the City would annex one (1) rectangle piece
of land with degree and minutes on each side. This would be a certified engineered, an
actual government survey and probably b,y J-U-B Engineers as they are the City Engineers.
J-U-B Engineer's comments on legal description was discussed.
Van Auker: "If you people favor this proposal, we would employ J-U-B to go back and do
the survey in its proper and acceptable fashion."
Pipkin called on Marty Igo, J. M,. K. Properties, to explain how his land comes into relatior
ship. Igo stated his is a Z acre parcel, NE corner of Linder and Franklin, just across
the road from Linder Park.
Van Auker stated 35 acres were purc!ased from pop Bowers,
Other land uses such as mobile home and residential was discussed and what would happen
when subdivisions like Crestwood were surrounded by industry.
Sharp stated that they (Commission) is not negative to industry, but whatever does come
in, they should be an enhancement to the City, pay its own freight so that the people that
have lived here for years should not have to help build on the fringe.
Van Auker stated the sewer use would be a plus to the City utility. The developer has to
provide a place for industry to come. Meridian has so many pluses. He mentioned several
big industries that are looking fora place such as this.
Hinrichs:. "Would. you be interested in cooperating with the property across the tracks
(Arnold Annexation)?"
Van Auker: "I can see. no reason why we could not talk with them - the only reason we
would not, would be a competitive basis."
Montee: "The Industrial Park would .end with no through streets onto Pine."
Van Auker replied to Hinrichs question to the view of the Industrial Park if Arnold
property was residential by stating it would look industrial - only a high rail to sepa-
rate. They would anticipate some spurs.
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Montee stated they would be working very hard on this proposal.
The Motion was made by Spencer and seconded by Hinrichs to recommend approval of Linder
park Annexation, as Liqht Industrial.
Agenda Motion Carried: All yea.
6 J.M.K. Properties Annexation
Proposal had been tabled August 19, 1980.
Marty Igo was present, representing the 2 acre proposal nn the NE corner of Linder and
Franklin. Igo stated that he had taken the position of commercial - limited retail
zoning. The Commission bad previously explained limiting any retail because of the
neighborhood shopping center approved on opposite corner and had discussed commerical -
limited office with Igo.
Igo: "I referenced for considerat
light industrial, a manufacturer's
but he needs storage in the back.
be restricted in the light office,
falls into .your light industrial.
what would be on both sides of me."
ion on this piece of property, an office complex and
representative might have 500 to 800 sc). ft. office,
That would be the kind of thing that would normally
because it comes under that storage definition, which
I was looking for a zone that would be compatible with
Hinrichs: "Do you want a light industrial zone?"
Iqo: "If I have a light industrial zone, which I would be in favor of, I would still havE
all of the rights under commercial. I was considering the residents on the north."
Sharp: "We could bring it in commercial, but then attach, conditions -certain types of
offices or combination office warehouse and design review. If it were a good looking
office warehouse combination. I don't have any problem with it."
Hinrichs: "I don't want another neighborhood shopping center across the street (from
Crestwood)."
Igo: "Obviously the light industrial zoning would he the product available to me and I
assume I would have to come in for a conditional use or design review anyway, but don't
want to come in for down zoning. I only have 300 same feet of frontage on either street
and I don't see big trucks rolling in and out of there, that's going to 6e more compatiblE
with an industrial park - they will have more room to swing in there, plenty of entrance.
Commercial with limitations as to what can go in there, gives me a broad range."
There was discussion concerning commercial compatibility with property either side.
Hinrichs, referring to proposed zoning: "Professional offices are in industrial zoning,
also outdoor storage and material."
Sharp: "I think the best bet would be commercial with restrictions."
Hinrichs agreed.
Hinrichs, referring to proposed ordinance: "The proposed General Retail and Service
District is the one we want."
Igo: "Then this zoning wou18 be more compatible. We would have to come in for a condi-
tional use giving you more control."
Sharp called for comments from the public. There .were none.
The Motion was made by Hinrichs and seconded by Spencer to recommend to the City Council
approval of J.M.K. Properties Annexation zoned "C" Commercial with conditions; with desigi
review and with the understanding that common retail commercial be precluded.
Motion Carried; All yea.
Agenda
7 Matlock Day Care Conditional Use
Thea Matlock was present to request the use of her home for a Day Care, located at 805 W.
4th. Matlock had obtained necessary signatures of approval.
Matlock stated that she planned between five and ten children, has the approval of the
County and now has State forms to fill out.
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The fire marshal and building inspector had reported two minor requirements - fireplace
screen and smoke alarm.
Matlock stated she had done this.
Sharp called for public comment. There was none.
The Motion was made by Hinrichs and seconded by Pipkin to recommend to the City Council
that the Day Care Center Conditional Use be granted to Thea Matlock located at 805 4I. 4th.
Motion Carried: All yea.
The Motion was made by Hinrichs and seconded by Spencer to adjourn at 10:55 p.m.
Motion Carried: All yea.
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Council
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Clerk
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Attorney
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Vern
Earl
J-U-B
Fire
Chief
Ada County Commissioners
ACHD
Ada County Zoning Director
APA
AIC
Central District Health
Nampa-Meridian Irrigation