1981 03-09
AGENDA
g and Zoning Commission
March 9, 1981
he previous meeting APPROVED
1. Conditional Use HEARING - Mobile Snack Bar on Wheels
Clyde L. Dempsey, 1680 W. Pine Street
Variance from Mobile Home Ordinance
Variance from Building Code regarding Eating & Drinking
Establishment
John Thomas Eddy begins term as Planning & Zoning Member
(Appointed to a two year term by Mayor Glaisyer 3.2.81)
The Motion was made and seconded "to recommend approval of a
Conditional Use for a Mobile Snack Bar on Wheels to Clyde Dempsey
and be granted for a fifteen (15) month period at which time will
be reviewed by the City Clerk and reported to the
Planning and Zoning Commission.. Motion Carried
Meridian Planninn and Zoni
Fleeting called to order by Chairman Annette Hinrichs at 8:08 P.A1.
Members Present: Lee Pitchell; Burl Pipkin; Bob Spencer; Tom Eddy
March 9, 1981
Others Attending: Frank Thomason, Valley News; Rhea Howard; Clyde Dempsey;
Ronica Peterson; Liza Cookson
The Motion was made by Mitchell and seconded by Spencer that the minutes of the
previous meeting be approved as printed.
Motion Carried: All yea
Chairman Hinrichs welcomed new member Tom Eddy
Agenda
1 Conditional Use Hearing - Plobile Snack Bar on 4Jheels - Clyde L. Dempsey
Clyde L. Dempsey, 1680 VJ. Pine Street, was present to request Conditional Use.
Hinrichs: "The hfearingg is now open for the Conditional Use request and a
Variance from the Plobile home Ordinance and Variance from the Building Code
regarding Eating and Drinking Establishments."
Dempsey: (referring to COPIMEPJTS) "First off I would like to explain to the
Commissioners - there are some things on the comment sheet that doesn't apply.
This is basically a blueprint of my drawing of the parcel. I have the old "f;olladay
Place" which was the original farm place that they subdivided for the school
Meridian High School) they held that out and had it surveyed away before they allowed
the School to build. So actually it sits right out into the school property."
Dempsey displayed the blueprint and the proposed location for the Snack Bar on Wheels.
"The only traffic I am going to have coming up is foot traffic -it's strictly walk in
and walk out, possibly twc gates with garbage cans stationed to help prevent the litter.
I also intend to hire a teenager to come around and pick up some of this litter. The
school hires different organizations, the tennis team, the wrestling team, rugby team
and pay them $50.00 to keep in clean, I think in a weeks time and I'm thinking
possibly I may be able to get in on that. This would take care of the trash problem."
"I've talked to Vernon and as far as the Plobile Home Ordinance. This is not going to
be a Mobile Nome - this is going to be a mobile snack bar. It is a 24 ft. camp trailer &
is going to be converted into one of these eating joints and I will be taking it out
in the summer and on weekends. In order to rnake it economically feasible it is going
to be entirely mobile. I will take it to auctions, horse shows, etc. to riak it pay
for itself, there's quite an investment in one of these things."
"The need for a variance from building codes because of a drinking and eating establish-
ment isn't true. I talked to the Health Department, that was the first place I went"
Dempsey read letter from Central District Health Department, signed by Robert l•J. Jue,
Environmental Quality Specialist II. "Rusty Dempsey has discussed primarily with our
office the possibility of converting a camp trailer to a mobile food establishment.
This establishment at based at his establishment 1680 Pine and operated there during
the shoot year. Our discussion covered the trailer remodel, the equipment, sewage
disposal and water supply. 4,'e need to check the water supply. A final plan or review
has not been conducted, in other words take and check my well. P:o appoval of plans
have been given. Bob Jue gave me a verbal promise to work with me on a design this
right from the ground - look the equipment over and work with it, because actually
the Health Department is the only one that has any control over something like this.
I'm sure by the time they get done with me from just what they told me it vrill meet
all water codes plus I am a carpenter contractor and have been for twenty-five years.
I've built three restaurants from the ground up and right now I am in the process of
remodeling one so I feel that I am qualified in order to do a job of this kind."
"The third item on here "A variance from code setback requirements, 20 feet from
property". That's no problem, where I'm setting it here I have all the room in the
world so I don't think that is applicable and "ido openings in a wall that is less
than 5 feet from property line" - that will be 50 feet in every which direction.
All I have out there now is weeds." "I've talked to the Water Commissioner and he
said he could see nothing wrong in running the water and sewer back to that unit.
We had quite a discussion on that, I don't want to use City water.."
City Clerk: "Do you have artesian water there?"
Dempsey: "Yes I do and it is wonderful drinking water there."
Dempsey: "I would hook up to both water and sewer to this unit."
"I do have dry lines there but have just put a great deal of money in my septic system.'
Dempsey: "In regard to Councilman Williams comment - the only thing I can say is I can
see his point but since this was not my idea originally but the students, and I have
100% approval of everyone within 300 feet, including the School Board - I haven't any
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negatives. There are two representatives from the Student body here tonight -
they represent the Student Council. The Student Council sent these students to
give their support. The people in this area all want this kind of service - the
kids over here playing ball and tennis tournaments have many tines wished for a
cold drink. I think there will eventually be something that will go in there
because of the need."
Flinrichs: "You are asking for a Condition llse - Plot a zone change."
Dempsey: "Yes - I would even go for a limited use, `cr at ':~.ZS* tiro ye?rs, because
the time I get the ball rolling this year it will be too late to give this thing a
good shot. I would need at least all next year to get it lined out ans see what the
bugs were.. glow, I have already promised the School Board, my word is just as good
as my signed signature, if this wasn't compatible with the neighborhood and with the
school that they wouldn't have to worry about shutting me down, because I would.
If I do create a monster there I'll shut it down."
"In answer to the Police the Snack Bar is only going to be open during lunch hour
and probably one to two hours after school lets out, then I'll open for special
events. The Tennis Coach has volunteered to dive me a schedule, the baseball coaches
and all these people have agreed to work with me. At these athletic events and when
they contact me I will open up for those few hours involved there. But it isn't
going to be open in the evening - I don't need that kind of hassle. I'm also
designing this in such a way that there will not be a big meeting place out there.
They will be coming through, standing up to get their food and moving on - I'm not
applying a lot of chairs because I don't want to encourage this type of thing, I am
personally going to keep that down -I'm an old Buck Sergeant and I can get pretty
ranky if I have to.."
"In order to keep the Flealth Department happy I am going to hook this to City sewer
and water, if approved by the City."
Plitchell: "This mobile unit is strictly mobile, except that you are sitting on your
own property. I see them all over - totally mobile. What prevents you from going
to the schools back door;
Dempsey: "Because it's school property. This has to be on private property unless
permission from businesses etc. -the gas company allovsit."
"It is self contained and can be pulled around easily. The only way that I can make
it financially feasible is to able to take this to horse shows, the auctions and this
type of thing.. The advantage of this to me is that it gives me buying power on
supplies. I will charge the kids one price economical that they can afford but
when I go out it's going to be a different price - that's where the bucks will be
made."
There was discussion concerning the fact that all residents within 300 feet had
signed approval.
Pipkin: "Did you feel that after your discussion with Mr. Schoen that these
variances will be satisfied?"
Der~;psey; "Yes" "The setback is not even applicable and this is not a mobile home"
Spencer; "What does the Comprehensive Plan say about Commercial in this area?"
Hinrichs: "Cur Comprehensive Plan definetly discourages Commercial Zoning around
schools -this is not Commercial Zoning this is a Conditional Use."
Pipkin: "What's the use that we have across the street from hir. Dempsey?"
Iinrichs: "We have limited office across from the Tennis Courts and we have
Industrial over to the South, Residential behind that."
Iinrichs: "Is there any comment from the public?"
Ronica Peterson: "Liza Cookson and I are representing the Student Council (MHS) and
we have talked to many of tine students. around and there was an article in the
paper that the students would like a variety for lunch and that they thought Mr. Dempsey's
idea was a good one. It was approved by the administration and the Student Body is
for it. PIr. Dempsey will cut down on a little of the problem around there and employ
some of the students. The students really want a better lunch so they thought his idea
was good. VJe, the Student Council of the Student Body thought his idea would be a
good one."
Dempsey; "The main thing behind this is that it will employ three to five teenagers
and more if I can swing it. I can train these kids during the lunch hours but in the
summertime I will have trained kids to take out with the unit on the road. We need
people trained in food service just as much as we do auto mechanics. This will give
them the opportunity to have a first job and get a reference. I think that is the
most important of the whole idea as far as I'm concerned."
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Tom Eddy: "Are you going to be supervising whenever it is open?"
Dempsey: "As much as possible - All of the time to get this started and then about
three times a week in order to keep a handle on it."
Eddy: "Will there be an adult there when you are not there?"
Dempsey: "There will be adult supervision at all times."
Hinrichs: "Any more comments?" There was no response
"Hearing Closed"
The P1otion was made by Mitchell and seconded by Pipkin to recommend approval of a
Conditional Use for a Mobile Snack Bar on Wheels to Clyde Derripsey and be granted
for a fifteen (15) month period at which time will be reviewed by the City Clerk
and reported to the Planning and Zoning Commission.
Motion Carried: Pipkin, yea; Mitchell; Eddy., yea;
Spencer, nay
Dempsey thankedthe Commission for their consideration and left the Chamber at this time.
There was no further business to come before the Commission.
The (lotion was made by Spencer and seconded by Eddy that the meeting be adjourned
at II:38 P.P1.
1ootion Carried: All yea
P4eeting Adjourned.
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Chairman, Annette Hinrichs
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