1981 09-14l • •
AGENDA
MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING
September 14, 1981
ITEM:
Minutes of the previous meeting held July 13, 1981 APPROVED
1. Meridian Optimist Junior Rifle Club - PUBLIC HEARING
New location 536 East Bower APPROVED
2. John Ewing and Mark Grindstaff 343-5511
NE corner of W. 2nd and West Idaho Ave.
6-Plex Denied because of density
4-Plex Recommended for approval with Design Review
M '.I' P1 n R 7nninn fnmmiccinn September 14, 1981
Regular Planning and Zoning Commission meeting called to order by Chairman
Annette Hinrichs at 8:10 P.h1.
Members Present: Burl Pipkin; Lee Mitchell; Bob Spencer; Tom Eddy
Others Present: Ross Hadfield; John and Nancy Ewing; Mark Grindstaff;
Ray and Sarah Ewing
Minutes of the previous meeting held July 13, 1981 approved as read.
The Motion was made by Mitchell and seconded by Spencer that the minutes of
July 13, 1981 be approved as read.
Motion Carried: All Yea
Agenda
1 HEARING - Meridian Optimist Junior Rifle Club Indoor Rifle Range
Ross Hadfield was present representing the Rifle Club's request to build an
indoor rifle range in the old Idaho Power Sub. Station building located
536 East Bower.
Annette Hinrichs opened the Hearing fora conditional use for the Indoor
Rifle Range and invited comments concerning the application.
Hadfield: "As far as I know the City has no objection to this location now"
Hinrichs: From reading the minutes of the City Council, this was kind of an
agreement. as to this location being a good place. Any o,uestions from the
Commission?"
Mitchell: "As long as you comply with all the safety requirements as you were
to do before. I assume you are?"
Hadfield: "Yes"
Hinrichs: "Any comments from the audience concerning the Junior Rifle Range?"
There was no response. "Hearing closed"
The Motion was made by Bob Spencer and seconded by Tom Eddy that the Commission
recommend approval of the Conditional Use of 536 East Bower for the Meridian
Optimist Junior Rifle Club Indoor Rifle Range.
Motion Carried: All yea
Agenda
2 John Ewing and Mark Grindstaff - 6 Plex Proposal
John Ewing and Mark Grindstaff were present to request approval of building
a 6 Plex on the NE corner of West 2nd and West Idaho Avenue.
They displayed Design Review and Site Plans before the Commission.
Ewing: What we have tried to do on that piece of ground is to come up with
something that won't downgrade the neighborhood, we have used stucco, wood and
stone building. We have put quite a lot of landscaping surrounding everything.
We hope that having a nicer class of building to help the neighborhood and this
would bring a nicer class of renters. We fully intend to do all the landscaping
that is shown there. We know that we have met all the requirements as far as
the City setbacks, the car parks that are needed, we have saved some of the
natural landscaping. The parking is being kept off of the alley so we have
slid everything off to the front - with the heavy landscaping this will not"take
away" from the building at all."
"My wife and I walked around the neighborhood and took a petition along with
the drawings and explained what we planned to do. We called upon most of the
neighbors but there were ones that were not home we had to skip. We spent
a considerable amount of time with all of the close neighbors and we feel after
talking to them that they have no objection." (Petition on file with these
minutes) Ewing explained pictures of the homes surrounding the proposal
at this time.
Meridian Planning & Zoning Commission .2. September 14 1981
Agenda 2 (Cont'd) Ewing & Grindstaff.......
6 Plex
Ewing: "We ran into a block upon receiving a Comment from the Fire Department.
We came over to talk to Skip today but he was unavailable so we did talk to
Roger Welker and we asked him what he would like to see. He did suggest that
maybe we could eliminate this fence across the back and give them a little more
room in the alley. I believe this is a 16 foot alley, and then possibly eliminate
this fence (North side) where they could get to the side. We could make this
(Flower & Shrubs) into concrete so they could drag their hoses. We would prefer
to leave some fence back there but if a fence is going to make a difference whether
we have it or not, then we will not have the fence." Ewing explained all setbacks
in detail (setbacks designated on drawings).
Ewing: "We are prepared to give a 100% Performance Bond and do what we say we will
do." "We are very sincere with this project."
There was discussion concerning saving the trees;immediate neighbor P1rs. Ferguson
who is in favor of the project and will be provided access and same garbage
screening as the apartments ;the need for the six (6) units to help the builder
for economic reasons; rotating the parking lot to satisfy the Fire Department;
location of fire hydrant across the street.
Mitchell: "As far as density goes - my figures come up with 24 units per acre:
11,206 sq. feet."
Ewing: "I guess we should have worked more with density figures but what we have
tried to do is work with City setbacks, car park requirements, Ada County Highway
District, and the landscaping."
Mitchell: "The building is nice looking and I have no problem with the plans -
I do not feel right about the density."
Hinrichs questioned the approximate rent fee and Ewing stated around $200 - $250.
Pipkin: "What is floor space per unit?"
Grindstaff: "Approximately 840 plus"
Ewing: "We have all one (1) hour rated exterior walls in between each apartment,
we have designed them as Townhouses so we will have a two (2) hour plus wall so we
feel we have avery fire safe building. We should go over the two hours without
any problem with the stucco and stone."
Hinrichs called for comments.
Mitchell: "I would like to see the fences stay, no matter what"
Eddy: "I agree, I would like to see the fences stay."
Spencer: "Only comment I have would concern moving the building down two (2) feet(South)
giving the extra 2 feet on the North side."
A Wooden screen fence was discussed and favored so that a fire truck could "run down"
if necessary.
Ewing stated he didn't know to what detail but could design fencing for fire fighting
purposes.
There was much discussion concerning the density.
Pipkin asked Ewing if there were any neighbors that he talked to that objected.
Ewing:" Yes - one lady. She didn't object but she wouldn't sign the petition ,
as she stated her sons park their cars on it and we dump our grass clipping on it"(lot)
"One of the first things we told everybody was that they didn't have to sign it
(petition) it was just something we were doing to let them know and get their
feeling upon"
Grindstaff: "Idaho is actually platted as a 80 foot right-of-way and after
discussing this with ACRD they can't tell us for sure whether they want the curb
here, or back here - they do know that they do not have a need fora 80 foot
arterial on Idaho. We may end up with a 10 foot abandonment - that would be 1200
additional square feet."
Ewing: "With the cost of building right now, the numbers don't come out for
building a four plex. If we can have six, we can make our payments and make
everything work on it." "That's why there has been so much time spent on making
this fit on that lot."
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Meridian Planning & Zoning .3. September 14 1981
Agenda 2 (Cont'd) Ewing & Grindstaff 6 Plex.........
Ewing:
"I don't think there is too many 4-Plexes or duplexes being built in the City of
Meridian right now - or anything."
There was more discussion concerning the cost per square foot.
Ranch style was approximately $40.00 @ sq. ft and stacked would be apx. $30.00 sq.ft.
Plumbing, electrical, etc. is utilized by being stacked.
Burl Pipkin: "I will have to disqualify myself because I live close to this
proposal and perhaps have a conflict of interest.° It could effect my Real
Estate one way or another in the future."
Mitchell: "I can't go with a six-plex but can fora four-plex"
Tom Eddy: "I have no objection
requirements."
Hinrichs: "What does it put the
Mitchell: "About 10% more. It
still be a little shy."
Bob Spencer: "I agree, we need
to this plan as .long as it meets the density
density at if they get 1200 more feet?"
could live with our 15 units per acre but would
to stay with the density requirements."
The Motion was made by Lee Mitchell and seconded by Bob Spencer that the Commission
recommend denial of the Siz-Plex Proposal on the corner of West 2nd and West Idaho,
but a four-Plex would be acceptable on this corner with Design Review, because of
the Commission's concern for density.
Motion Carried: Mitchell, yea; Spencer, yea; Eddy, yea
Pipkih, Abstained
The Motion was made by Pitchell and seconded by Spencer that the meeting be
adjourned at 9:07 P. M.
Meeting Adjourned.
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Chairman
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