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1981 12-14 ,, ~r~, APPROVED ~ ,rSS -i,rr~y APPROVED ~ ~ _.~~ ~a~± ±z„ :;,, ~r~t Tai-E~ Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission December 14, 1981 Regular meeting called to order by Chairman, Annette Hinrichs Members Present: Lee Mitchell; Bob Spencer; Tom Eddy Others Present: Ray and P1aude Pethtel; Earl and Betty Plackett; Douglas Freeborg; Reynold Schenck; Bud Link; Jerry P~ortensen; Don Minegar; Vera Scott; Bill and Oma Gardner Minutes of the previous meeting Held September 14, 1981 were approved as written Agenda PUBLIC HEARING for Re-zone 540 West Cherry Lane, Jerry 0. Mortensen, CLU 1 Annette Hinrichs: "The public hearing is now open for an application of re-zone from "A" Residential to "C" Commercial Limited Office for Jerry Mortensen located at 540 West Cherry Lane." Jerry Mortensen: "I purchased the property at 540 West Cherry Lane with the intent of remodeling into a professional insurance office. The property on the west, half of the lot behind and across the street to the east is the Circle K - all zoned Commercial. I have been officed in Peridian for several years, about eight years, and would like to get into an ownership equity position. I have made contact with the owners around the property and have the necessary signatures. This is a small home and would accommodate an one man insurance office very well - I have two other employees, two secretaries, and changes are that is as large as I will ever get." Bob Spencer: "What do you think of the Highway Department's recommendation?" Mortensen: "I think that it is an unreasonable request. I met with them and talked with them about it, I expressed myself of willingness to participate but I would like to wait until theyrare ready to widen and to improve before they require the deposit As I understand, in their five year plan, it is not on the five year plan to expand or improve Cherry Lane. I would prefer waiting until then to make a deposit because of the tightness of money." Mitchell: "Isn't that what we had on this other one out here?" (Refers to Century 21 Office on the corner of West Cherry and North Linder) Wasn't that the condition made with them that when they (ACRD) were ready Century 21 Realty would deposit?" It was the feeling. of the Chairman and City Clerk that this was the stipulation presented at the time of approval of Century 21 Realty Conditional Use. Mortensen: "I have written a letter to the Highway Department, put it in writing over my signature, that I am willing to participate in the improvement when the time comes." Hinrichs: "The ACRD seems to be somewhat adamant - I'm assuming you got this letter?" Mortensen: "Yes, I did. The interesting thing about that is that they haven't collected that from anyone else There have been other changes on Cherry Lane but by what I have been told it was not collected from Circle K Corporation, Roberts property or C cia Cherry property. They have never collected it. I understand it but I just~~nft them to start with me particularly. Another point is that if you made a deposit there was no guarantee that was going to cover the expense of it when the time would come - it's just a deposit and when the time comes it could be over three times or triple that. Until that time comes they have the access to your money -.whatever length of time, it may be five or fifteen years." Hinrichs: "I would like to open the hearing to the public. Are there any comments on the re-zone of the Mortensen property at 540 ldest Cherry Lane?" No response "Public Hearing is now closed." There was discussion concerning the benefit of Limited Office restriction. It was determined all the property surrounding is strict Commercial. Tape on file. The Motion was made by Lee Mitchell and seconded by Bob Spencer to recommend to the City Council that the Re-zone from "A" Residential to "C" Commercial Limited Office be allowed Jerry 0. Mortensen, CLU, for property located at 540 West Cherry Lane, with the condition that this property hookup to City sewer and water and Mortensen be ready, willing and able to participate with the Highway Improvement Program when this improvement occurs. D10TION CARRIED: ALL YEA Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission .2. December 14, 1981 Agenda PUBLIC NEARING for Replat, Reynold Schenck, 431 and 435 East State 2 Bob Spencer: Madam Chairman I request to abstain from this hearing because of my business relationship with Mr. Schenck." Annette Hinrichs: "Granted" "The Public Hearing is now open for the Replat of Lots 11 and 12, Block 2, Cottage Home Addition, 431 and 435 East State, Reynold Schenck" Reynold Schenck: "There is an old stucco house located on the property - sitting right in the middle of two lots. It is facing at this time,State Street. Number one, the property is old, it is pretty well run down, to 9o in and redo the electrical and the plumbing - things like this is expensive. The cost to fix up the place in a manner that it could be rented, is rather expensive and I won't rent it in the condition it is in now. The reason we went in with a "Townhouse" project - four units- you have the plot plan and the size of the units - vae want to sell these units. We didn't want to go in and put a duplex or a fourplex and rent it. We want to sell the properties so that the people will actually own them. This would give pride in ownership and we wouldn't have to maintain them. The way we have it designed right now is that the units will be facing East 5th Street. (Schenck displays large plot plan showing design and landscaping) There are a few old trees there and by the way it looks should be able to save all of them unless they are rotten and need to be destroyed. These properties will be two and three bedroom, roughly 1400 sq. feet apiece, selling at an estimated $55,000 to $65,000. The power of ownership seems to keep the places looking a lot nicer far a longer period of time than if we just rent them. Basically, the neighbors don't care to have anymore rentals around there either." Lee Mitchell: "have you read the comments from the Comment Sheet?" Schenck: "Yes Sir" Pitchell: "About the sewer hookups and all other requirements?" Schenck: "There's no problem at this point in time. Ada County Highway has indicated that we need to repair the sidewalks, we were planning on that anyway as they are breaking up, they want pavement on 5th Street up to the existing street line - we have no problem with that; there need's to right-of-ways for the sewer and water - there is no problem there. There is an alley through there, to the South side." Mitchell: "Sewer is in that alley?" Schenck: "I believe it is. PJampa (Meridian Irrigation Dist) has a question about the drainage, etc. - we really don't want to irrigate out of that ditch because of the high vaater level - we feel it would be better if we just sprinkle them. 6•Je were in there for several years, about eight years, and everytime we irrigate we would have to put our swimming suits on. There will not be any basements because of the high water table." f•1itchell: "There will be a crawl space?" Schenck: "Yes Sir." "The City wants four separate hookups for the sewer and how ever they want those easements will have to be taken care of. They can come down the back of the property on the lots." Tom Eddy: "It's going to be a two story?" Schenck: "Yes sir. The plans indicate how we are going to have the bottom and the top story also." Mitchell: "It looks like what I would call a story and a half." Schenck: "Yes, it's a low profile. That's a six-twelve pitch on that roof. There is a little more slope on it so it won't be quite so high." Hinrichs: "Are there windows on tYie back side of this too?" Schenck: "Yes ma'm. The garage is in the front side, patios coming out the back. There was discussion concerning the floor plan, plot plan. Tape on file Schenck: "There is individual fencing and it will be fenced all the way around (back) There is a question on the State Street side - I don't know what the criteria is there" Fencing was discussed. "There are two fire hydrants just on each corner one block away." Chairman Hinrichs questioned the fencing in behalf of fire truck access. Schenck stated that with the alley on one side and E. State and E. 5th there would be good fire fighting access. ina & Zoning Commission .3. December Agenda 2 (Cont'd) Schenck Townhouse........... Hinrichs: "I will now open the hearing up to public comment." Ray Pethtel: "I live just west of this proposal. How close is this house supposed to be to State Street? " Hinrichs: "The plan shows 20 feet" Pethtel: "In line with the other houses?" "It would have to be in line with the other houses." Hinrichs: "It would have to be set back the required amount of setback." Schenck: "Do you know how far back your's is sir?" Pethtel: "I don't know - I've been there too long. I'm with everybody on that street." Maude Pethtel: "But still - the side of that house can't come out any farther than the side of the house further west." We had a house on 4th Street, they are spacing for it but they are even with ours." Earl Plackett: "Mr. Schenck, you mentioned you wouldn't be irrigating there - you wanted to sprinkle. Will this mean a disruption in that irrigation ditch and let that water come north ?" Schenck: "No sir". There Cannot be and shall not be any disruption." Plackett: "Thank you" Pi. Pethtel: "You cannot come with the fence within two foot of the ditch because we need room to get to our headgates" "One ditch is at the back and one is on the west. The one on the South was supposed to be torn down and you were supposed to keep that ditch clean - we have had to always do that." Schenck: "Is that a requirement? If it is we will do it." Hinrichs: "I'm sure that Nampa-Peridian Irrigation requires this." There was discussion concerning tiling the ditch. Schenck stated that tiling would probably be the best . P4. Pethtel: "Ply headgates are there (South side) and Vera Scott's are on the west and she irrigates out of that ditch." More discussion concerning location of headgates. It was determined that there has to be access to Scott's property for irrigation along the west side. Scott has four headgates and a sump pump along the west side. Ray Pethtel: "How close are those fences going to come to that ditch?" Schenck: "I can't answer that because I don't know where the setback is - whatever the requirements are up to that ditch it will have to be." M. Pethtel: "We have to have ways to get in and out of that ditch." Annette Hinrichs: "Mr. Schenck,when you are checking with everyone you had best check with the Fire Chief on the fences." Schenck: "Right" M. Pethtel: "We don't want anything smaller than a 16 inch the through there to carry all that water." Hinrichs: "Are there any other comments?" No response "Public Hearing is closed." Schenck: "Madam Chairman, I would like to request to have this proposal tabled until I can take care of these problems and get back to you next time." Hinrichs: "Otherwise you are going to get a Motion with a list that 1ong." Schenck: "I would like to take care of these two particular problems. Now, do we have any other problems while I'm here?" PJo response from Public. Hinrichs: "You need to check with the Nampa-Meridian Irrigation District -" Schenck: "I've got the ditch, the fences and the setback on State Street - any other questions?" No response Pethtel"s were given the layout of the plans for the Townhouse proposal. • ridian Planning & Zoni Agenda 2 (Cont'd) Schenck Townhouse......... The Motion was made by Lee Mitchell and seconded by Tom Eddy that the Reynold Schenck Townhouse Proposal to be located at 431 and 435 East State be tabled until Mr. Schenck's convenience. Motion Carried: Lee Mitchell, yea; Tom Eddy, yea Bab Spencer, Abstained Agenda Donald Minegar and Howard Jenkins Input - West Pine Street (Navarro property) 3 1 Minegar and Jenkins came before the Planning and Zoning Commission regarding the 5 acres adjoining John Navarro's property and 3.7 acres in back of Shuyler';s property - acres touch. Shuyler has two duplexes on his property and they were aware that 11th Street was to come through Shuyler's to Pine Street. Plinegar: "Navarro and Jenkins would like to get the zone changed to do a PUD, approximately 18 acres, for some townhouses, single family dwellings with the idea of bringing these streets through to lend with the idea of a PUD. Shuyler's duplexes would be tied into this back property. Ede have checked with the Fire Dept. and they have looked to that access as well as this other area." Hinrichs: "We are going to be very tough about putting any "two-story" anything behind there. As you are planning that is what you should consider." Minegar: "We will, that's why we are here for input. LJe haven't drawn a plan yet. The Pine Street is not deep enough for us to hook m to (must bring from Linder) so with the cost of running this sewer line in here, to make this available for future homebuilding, we have got to put more than one house or three and a half house per acre, And, with the cost of construction going up families can't buy homes. tde want to get your input on a PUD and change of zoning there." Mitchell: "hJow,J PUD tells me that there is going to be a little Commercial go in there." Minegar: "No Commercial - strictly Residential" Chairman Hinrichs stated that they needed to come up with the plan and that the City want's to fill these areas in with such a plan. There being no other business to come before the Planning and Zoning Commission the meeting was adjourned at 9:10 P.M. ,, /~~, ~j (,-C/s1~lcCC-L'' ( -. ~l ~J/'1./~~GZ°,1/ Annette Hinrichs, Chairman ATTEST: l~ ~ `T i Clerk pc: Mayor & Council Planning & Zoning Commission Department Heads AIC;ACHD;Central District Ada Zoning Director Nampa-Meridian Irrigation Ada County Commissioners C~