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A G E N D A
Planning and Zoning Commission
March 8, 1982
ITEM:
Minutes of previous meeting held February 8, 1982 APPROVED
1) Dean or Dorothy Rule - Input re: Annexation and Zoning
Possible Adult or Retirement Mobile Sub+
2) HEARING: Tom Marks - Catherine Park Subdivision Preliminary Plat
APPROVED
3) HEARING: Lorin C. Saunders - Broadway Estates West Annexation & Zoning
APPROVED
4) HEARING: Lloyd Howe - Upland Industries Annexation & Zoning
APPROVED
5) HEARING: Wallace Lovan - Conditianal Use of Mobile Golf Clubhouse
APPROVED
6) Ted Hepp er - Input re: Retirement units
7) Cecil Cherry and Son - Input re: Business Complex Zoned Limited Office
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Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission
March 8, 1982
Regular Planning and Zoning Meeting called to order by Annette Hinrichs, Chairman
at 8:02 P. hi.
Members present: Lee Pitchell; Don Sharp; Tom Eddy; bob Spencer
6u r1 Pipkin, Absent
Others present: Donn Day; Nadine P1iller; Dorothy and Dean Rule; lda-ly Lo van;
Jim Potter; Geo Strellner; Margaret Strellner; Bernice Johnson;
Ray Johnson; Kim Cherry; Cecil Cherry; Coenraad Abas;
Thomas L. Marks; Lloyd D. Howe; Ted Hopper
The f~1otion was made by Lee Mitchell and seconded by Bob Spencer that the minutes
of the previous meeting held February 8, 1982 be approved as written.
Plotion Carried: All yea
Agenda Dean and Dorothy Rule - Representing Brooklawn Estates Input
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Dean Rule explained proposal to build a Mobile Home Subdivision on the Southeast
corner of Linder and West Pine. More specifically Lot 6 IdestLawn Subdivision
not within the City boundary. Annexation and zoning would be required, 8.42 acres
1200 sq. foot minimum. Pule stated that they would intend to build the park for
adult population, primarily for people retiring and density would be five (5) to
six (6) units per acre. Modular homes are planned, which are built to housing
specifications, lots would be sold.
Commissioner Sharp questioned fencing. Rule stated there definitely would be some
type of Fence - at this early stage of planning had thought chain link.
Sharp felt a solid type fencing would be better for buffering and screening the
Industrial Park across from proposal.
It was the feeling of the Commission at this time that there be no objection.
Agenda
2 fiEARING - Catherine Park Subdivision Preliminary Plat
Jim Potter, Potter and Associates and owner, Thomas Marks were present at Public
Bearing for Preliminary Plat proposal for Catherine Park Subdivision located with
the north boundary being Washington Ave. Extension, State Street to the south,
the East boundary is Five Mile Creek, and Cottage Home Addition to the west.
Annette Hinrichs: "The Public Nearing is now open for Catherine Park Subdivision
Preliminary Plat."
Jim Potter: (Displays Plat before Commission)"This plan calls for seven (7) lots.
It does require special set back considerations."
Tom Eddy: "Is there a deeded right-of-way along Five P1ile Creek?"
Potter: "No. In Section 7 there is not a deeded right-of-way requirement along
Five P1ile Creek. Nampa-Meridian requirement is 45 feet each side of center line
and their specifications at the current time are that there be no permanent impedi-
ments, such as trees in the easement. Landscaping is fine."
Eddy: "Do they clean this ditch?" "Would a road be necessary?"
Potter: "No" "Five 41i1e Creek would be sloped down to the water"
fitchell: "What is the footage from the back of the house?"
Potter: "The edge of the easement is a foot from the house."
Commissioner Don Sharp discussed and strongly recommended that the Plat disclose
the easement along Five File Creek to all concerned - especially since the easement
would come right up to the back of the house.
Potter stated that this was typical on a normal residential plat - where is a 5 foot
side yard set back and you have a statutory 5 foot side yard easement. "We do have
easements on the side yard - which come right up to the house"
Commissioner fitchell agreed that the buyers be made aware of the Five Mile Creek
easement.
Tom Marks: "Half of that easement is going to be a common greenbelt straight through
those backyards."
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Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission .2. F1arch 8, 1982
Agenda 2 (Cont'd) Catherine Park Sub............
Potter and Marks both stated the easement along Five Mile Creek should ever be any
problem but this may be accomplished through a declaration.
Don Sharp stated that the City as an "Old Towne" area designated in the Comprehensive
Plan and that any reference to any other area as "Old Towne" as shown on Catherine
Park Subdivision development plan should be deleted.
Potter stated that this reference was taken from a Chamber of Commerce map.
Commissioner Bob Spencer questioned the 25foot width of Catherine Lane for emergency
vehicles.
Potter stated that at such time that the property (to the west) is developed,the
remaining 25 foot easement, or dedicated right-of-way, and will allow for the full
development of the street.
Hinrichs: "The Fire Department comments that Washington Street should be carried
through - isn't it?"
Potter: "Yes" "Washington Street, in the development plan of the northeast sector
of Meridian, shows East Washington Street crossing Five Mile Creek."
Mitchell: "Technically this (Catherine Lane) would be a "no-parking" street."
Potter: "Correct" "Carlton ends in here - this at the present time is a private
easement - there is nothing we can do about that, it is not a public right-of-way."
We are saying that this should be built as 1/2 Street standard so if this other is
improved the City can require that dedication."
Iitchell: "Are you providing a way fora Fire Truck to turn around?"
Potter: "Yes, this is a temporary culdesac" (indicates turn around on map)
"Lots are a minimum of 6500 sq. feet - house is minimum of 1200, double garage,
x68,000 to X75,000."
Hinrichs: "Are you aware of the placement of fire hydrants?"
Potter: "Yes, we will certainly discuss that with the Ida ter Department."
Hinrichs: "You do have to clear with Ada County Highway too"
Potter: "Yes. We intend to have a meeting with them subsequently. Some of the
items that they requested are not within the control of the landowner."
Annette Hinrichs: "Are there any comments from the public on the project of
Catherine Park Subdivision Preliminary Plat?" There was no response.
"Hearing Closed"
titchell: "When do you plan to start on this project?"
Potter: "First the meeting with Ada County Highway and the Council."
Mitchell: "Will you develop within the year?"
Potter: "Yes we plan proceeding much ahead of that."
The Motion was made by Lee Pitchell and seconded by Tom Eddy that the Planning and
Zoning Commission recommend approval of Catherine Park Subdivision Preliminary Plat
to the City Council, provided all City Ordinances are met, Catherine Lane be
no parking, and some provision be made that the property owner be made aware of the
easement along Five Mile Creek.
Motion Carried: Mitchell, yea; Eddy, yea; Sharp, yea
Spencer, nay
I Agenda HEARING - Broadway Estates West Annexation and Zoning
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Dan Wycherly, G.R.I. was present rearesenting Lorin C. Saunders, owner, of
10.5 acres located at the end of West Broadway and West Idaho Street.
lycherly stated the land is adjacent to 8th Street Broadway and that the proposed
annexation to be zoned residential is to be called Broadway Estates !West.
The concept plan consists of townhouse units in the price range of $45,000.00 to
$55,000.00. Wycherly stated that they plan to do the project in phases due to
economic times.
Wycherly: "The grounds will be professionally landscaped and there will be common
areas for playground, swimming area and recreation facilities for family life'.'
Meridian Planning and Zoninq Commission .3. t4arch 8 1982
Agenda 3 (Cont'd) Broadway Estates West...........
Wycherly: "We have property contiguous with the City limits with water and sewer -
just east of the acreage. We are anxious to present this in such a way as to make
it the best possible type of family living for the City. We are open to what we
need to do to make it so."
Hinrichs: "Does this abut the railroad tracks?"
Wycherly: "Yes, we extended the legal description to include the railroad track."
Hinrichs: "This creek is to be covered?"
Wycherly: "Yes" "Ada County Highway is recommending that we extend Broadway all
the way through - so what we are considering doing is berm and landscape on either
side. The map is labeled Ten Mile Creek but it should be Nine Mile Creek."
Tom Eddy: "Is the street going to be built on top of (dine Mile Creek?"
Wycherly: "We just got the Comments back the end of last week and our Engineer has
been out of town over the weekend. The Engineer could better answer that - I doubt
if we can do that. We will work with the Highway Department to make sure it is done
in accordance with what they want. As Ada County Highway District recommended in
their letter (dated tlarch 3, 1982) "Broadway should be extended west through the
parcel as a dedicated public right-of-way. Eroadway is the only east-west connector
between Pine and the railroad, a distance of almost a quarter of a mile. Currently,
a strip of land 58' wide by approximately 160' long has been dedicated for the
extension of Broadway to the west from 8th Streeter, With the knowledge of our
Engineer, and this, it will give us an idea on how much of that would have to be
bermed.
Hinrichs: "tly main concern is the traffic flow. blhat is the density?"
Wycherly: "102 units. Density 9.7 for 10.5 acres" "This has been a rough draft
concept mainly because we wanted to have some input on the type of features the City
would want to see. This concept was done quite some time ago by J-U-B Engineers -
about two years ago."
Hinrichs: "The proposal before us tonight is Annexation and Zoning - not a
Preliminary Plat."
Don Sharp: "I don't have any problem with the Annexation - in fact I think it is a
good idea. But, I would have some problem and some concerns with the design. This
would have to be addressed later."
Wycherly: "We are anxious to get some input on that."
Hinrichs: "I think by the time the Preliminary Plat comes in we will be under our
new Subdivision Ordinance."
"Is there any input from the audience on Broadway Estates West Annextion?"
There was no response "Hearing closed."
The P1otion was made by Bob Spencer and seconded by Tom Eddy that the Commission
recommend approval to the City Council of Broadway Estates blest Annextion to be
zoned "A" Residential, density not to exceed 15 units per acre, with amenities.
Motion Carried: Mitchell,yea; Eddy, yea; Spencer, yea; Sharp, yea
(Agenda HEARING - IJpland Industries Annexation and Zoning
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Lloyd Howe, manager of Land and Industrial Development, was present to represent
Upland Industries Corporation, A subsidiary of Union Pacific Corporation.
Flowe addressed the Commission with the request for annexation and zoning
Lloyd Howe: "We are proposing to develop a 300 acre Industrial Park which is
basically two quarter sections, fronting on Fairview and split by Eagle Road.
In addition to that particular piece of property we have been joined in annexation
by Elixir Industries, to the south of us, and Great bJestern - that totals about
50 acres. Delmer Ouderkirk to the west also has joined this annexation,'and has
about 25 acres. We are proposing a rail served and a landrail served industrial
park in this area which probably can described as "better than" what you see in
other areas such as, Boise Cascade's Container Plant in Nampa - and Channel 6 -
that is one of Upland's developments. lde are proposing a high class development."
Meridian Planning Y, Zoning Commission .4. March 8, 1982
Agenda 4 (Cont'd) Upland Industries .............
Mitchell: "blhat about the enclave?"
Howell: "That is somewhat of a problem that we are working on. Mr. Johnson is in
the audience tonight. We don't like to displace, or push, anyone out. I haven't
been in the position yet to rush out and say "Plr. Johnson, I want to buy your farm" -
maybe he doesn't want to sell it. That is basically the reason for the enclave.
We don't really need it for our development."
Hinrichs: "We would expect Pine to go through."
Howell: "We didn't extend that on the initial planning - but that doesn't mean
it can't happen."
Hinrichs: "In our transportation studies and transportation plans that we are doing
right now, to project the next twenty years, Pine is designated as an arterial. We
definitely want it to go through."
Howell: "I can't speak for Mr. Ouderkirk but for our portion of it. His basic
agreement with us in joining the annexation was that he would have access to
sewer and water if that was the route to bring into the development."
Hinrichs: "We're not saying that street has to go up through tomorrow - when the
Final plans come through, as far as platting, we want to see Pine coming through."
Howell: "Looking at the plans and comments, we need another access and that is the
logical way to go."
Hinrichs: "We would also have concern as to how many outlets onto Fairview. We
would not want a considerable number of driveways."
Howell: "Nor do I."
The starting date was discussed. Howell stated the one year to begin developing
could be a hang up and would feel more comforable with 18 months. This would be
after final approval. Howell stated that the first phase would be located in the
west quarter section.
Sharp: "Would this corporation consider berming along Fairview in the event that
across Fairview may be a residential development?'''Buffering of some type?"
Howell: "That may well be. First, we look at that part fronting Fairview as being
more in the business and business office general area - because of the availability
of the road exposure."
Sharp: "I wish the enclave was not there but I think this proposal is of significant
value to the City of Meridian - and the residents of the City of Meridian - I
certainly would endorse the project and annexation.
Hinrichs: "Are there any comments from the public on Upland Industries Annexation?"
Berniece Johnson: "Ply husband, Ray,. and I have a question concerning the drainage
water from the section above. It said in the comments that they were going to
relocate the canal and they were going to relocate the drain ditch. What happens
to all the drainage water that comes from the section above, including the area on
the east of Eagle Road, when it no longer has the canal to dump into?"
Howell: (Demonstrating on map) "It's labeled "Settlers Canal" but it's running water
all the time. I don't know, to give you a honest answer. I understand your concern.
We have in the past worked with the Irrigation District - we know that has to be done.
We have to be able to accomodate as far as any relocations. Mrs. Johnson - correct
me if I'm wrong - do you use the drain water for irrigation purposes?"
Mrs. Johnson: "Yes"
Howell: "Is that your chief source of water?"
Johnson: "Yes"
Nowell: "I guess what I can tell you is, rest assured you are going to have that.
We are not going to pick that up and take it around someplace else so you can't
get it."
Hinrichs: "Mrs. Johnson, everything that they do will have to be approved by Nampa-
Meridian Irrigation District."
Johnson: "Yes, but when we call they say "That's not our problem"
Howell: "Because it's drain water-"
Meridian Planning & Zoning .5. March 8, 1982
Agenda 4 (Cont'd) Upland Industries...........
Hinrichs: "Any other comment concerning Upland Industries Annexation?"
There was no response. "Hearing Closed"
The Motion was made by Don Sharp and seconded by Bob Spencer that the Commission
recommend that the City Council approve Upland Industries Annexation and be zoned
"D" Industrial, and that consideration be given to the irrigation problem due to
relocation of any drainage as so testified during this hearing by Mr. and Mrs.
Ray Johnson.
Motion Carried: Mitchell, yea; Sharp, yea; Spencer, yea
Tom Eddy Abstained
Agenda HEARING - Conditional Use for Cherry Lane Recreation, Inc. Temporary Club House
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Wallace Lovan was present to request a Conditional Use Permit fora temporary
club house, dba Cherry Lane Recreaction, Inc.
Hinrichs: "Hearing is now opened for Conditional Use."
Lovan: "Since October, 1978 we have been in a home in Cherry Lane Village and
using this home as a club house. The realtor out there is no longer representing
Nu-Pacific Corp. and we have been given our notice to move from the Clubhouse.
I am here asking fora temporary club house until such time as a road is built back
approximately 1000 feet - to the north where the final club house site will be.
I would propose putting this temporary structure on M1ir. (Jim) Fuller's property
which would be north, adjacent to the parking lot. It will be serviced by water,
sewer and power - even though it is on private ground."
Sharp: "How long would you anticipate before you would put in a permanent type
club house?"
Lovan: "I would assume anywhere from two to five years. The future development of
the land and the economy -"
Sharp: "I am in favor of approval, but it would seem to me that one of the items we
should do is put a reasonable time limit on it - after something happens - for this
to be taken care of."
Ptitchell: "Would you object to a lid of five years?"
Lovan: "I would from this standpoint - In five years there may not be a road
driven back there where the final club house would be. The only time we could build
a permanent club house is when there would be facilities to service one. Right now
there is no power, no sewer or water within 1000 feet."
Sharp: "What I'm getting at Wally is that, would it be reasonable to say one year -
two years - beyond when the second nine is built or one year - two years - beyond
when the road is built. Would that be reasonable?"
Lovan: "When they lay the last piece of asphalt on that road - the house will be
there. The revenue just from the driving range alone would offset any house that
I would have. It would set right to the west of the driving range."
Hinrichs read a letter presented to the Commission from the Cherry Lane Village
Homeowners Association, Inc. stating that they see the Cherry Lane Golf Course as
an asset to their development and community. The letter endorsed the conditional
use permit fora temporary club house. (Letter on file with these minutes)
(Tape on File)
Tom Eddy questioned landscaping.
Lovan: "Right at this point I have more invested out there than anyone else except
the developers. It is something that is going to have to be done with dignity -
I am working up a real fine clientele and I want to hold this clientele. I propose
a down-close to the ground, shrubs around it - there could be some type of porch
overhang which would blend in. Right now we are using a 2500 sq. ft. home - we are
using a little less than 700 sq. ft. - the rest of it is strictly wasted. This
(Temporary Club house) would give us more room - we are outgrowing the little club-
house we are using now. I would hope to be in the new facilities by the 15th of
April."
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Meridian Planning & Zoning Commission .6. March 8, 1982
Agenda 5 (Cont'd) Golf Course Club House, Cond't Use............
Hinrichs: "Are there any comments from the Public regarding this Conditional Use?"
There was no response. "Hearing is now closed"
The Motion was made by Lee Mitchell and seconded by Tom Eddy that the Commission
recommend to the City Council approval of the Conditional Use Permit fora temporary
club house, Wallace Lovan dba Cherry Lane Recreation, Inc., and that they allow
the variances from City Ordinances as needed; and that the conditions as requested
in the letter dated Parch 8, 1982 from Cherry Lane Village Homeowners Association
that the permit be limited in time until the second nine holes and utilities and road
are available at the designated planned club house area."
Motion Carried: Sharp, yea; spencer, yea; Mithhell, yea; Eddy, yea
Agenda
6 Ted Hepper - Input Regarding Retirement Units
Ted Hepper presented vicinity map designating zoning and a concept plan.
Hepper stated that the lot is presently zoned for multiple units - the south 40 feet
is zoned Commercial.
Hepper: "This is not a Nursing Home - it is for the elderly people to stay before
they go into a nursing home. They need help - they need somebody to do their
cooking, their laundry." This is just one home, one level, six bedroom,. not to exceed
nine people. "We do have State Codes but when there is more than nine people it's a
different category."
Mitchell: "They are putting these in residential areas."
Hepper read from the Restrictive and Protective Covenants pertaining this lot.
Tedi Subdivision: 2. All other lots are to residential or to be used for multiple
units by combining several lots or portion of lots; not to exceed more than 2
stories in height or more than 8 multiple units per building."
It was the feeling of the Commission that this would be in a location where this
would not cause a disturbance.
There was discussion concerning the demand for such units.
Each Commission member stated that they do not have any particular problem with
this proposal.
Agenda
7 Cecil Cherry and Son - Input Regarding Laundromat
Kim Cherry spoke to the Planning & Zoning Commission requesting input as to their
feeling toward placement of a laundromat in the Cherry business complex located
309 West Cherry Lane. Cherry stated that the present zoning is limited office
with a Conditional Use, one office space~in the middle of the building is vacant,
that they have exhausted ways to lease this. They have done considerable research
and are very serious with putting a laundromat with the intent of keeping attractive.
Eventually they do plan on completing the approved professional complex.
They had talked with the people around this area and they felt it was ideally located,
that there is adequate parking. Cherry stated this laundromat would be ~ first
class as they intend to keep their business complex a first class area.
Sharp was concerned about the Yretail type" traffic and felt he would have a hard
time voting in favor of the laundromat of locating anywhere but a shopping center.
Cecil Cherry used the laundromat in Nampa and at a similar business complex as an
example and stated that a doctor or beauty shop has a much and sometimes more
parking spaces and traffic than the laundromat. He had not had any problems with
the laundromat during the several years it's been there.
Lee ~4itchell went on record as having no objection to the laundromat.
Bob Spencer felt they would have a harder selling professional offices with a
laundromat in there. Cherry disagreed, stating that tennants would prefer have the
office next door occupied rather than vacant - no matter what.
This would be a controlled, managed situation and to the approval of all tennants.
Hinrichs pointed out Conditional Uses are subject to review on a annual basis.
Meridian Planninq & Zoning Commission .7. ____ ?+larch 8, 1982
Agenda 7 (Cont'd) Cherry & Son Laundromat............
Tom Eddy stated that if the tennants did not have dny objectigns then he did not.
Hinrichs stated that she felt that Cherry was correct is saying anything less
than Class A operation would hurt them most and that this area will never be retail.
Cherry & Son have no desire to be re-zoned and stated that they wish to keep
the complex as Conditional Use approval.
Sharp expressed concern of setting a precedent and did not want to open the door
for future problems.
Kim Cherry stated that they would have to get approval of the residents, they felt
it can be a positive thing and as far as precedence they have to work through
the economy problem one way or another, they would like to stay on top and move
the business complex when the time comes. They felt they could do that best
by keeping it in a paying proposition and not be forced to sacrifice - they have
been carrying the complex for quite awhile - they felt they have an excellent
building and too much value there to let it go.
The feeling of the Commission was two (2) nays and two (2) yeas.
Hinrichs didn't really object as long as all the conditions are upon it.
There being no other business to come before the Commission the Motion was made by
Bob Spencer and seconded by Don Sharp that the meeting be adjourned at 9:30 P.M.
Meeting adjourned.
ATTEST:
J Clerk
pc: Piayor & Council
Planning & Zoning
All Dept. Heads
Kiebert, City Clerk,
AIC; ACRD; Central District
Nampa-Meridian Irrigation
Ada County Zoning Director
Ada County Commissioners
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Annette Hinrichs, Chairwoman