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2008 03-20u Fif ~:1 i~ '~~~4 .. MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING REGULAR MEETING AGENDA City Council Chambers 33 East Idaho Avenue; Meridian, Idaho Thursday, March 20, 2008 at 7:00 p.m. `Although the City of Meridian no longer requires sworn testimony, all presentations before the Mayor and City Council are expected to be truthful and honest to best of the ability of the presenter." 1. Roll-call Attendance: X Tom O'Brien _X Wendy Newton-Huckabay O Michael Rohm X Joe Marshall O David Moe -chairman 2. Adoption of the Agenda: Approve 3. Consent Agenda: A. Approve Minutes of March 6, 2008 Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting: Approve ~: ' ~'' 4. Continued Public Hearing from February 21, 2008: AZ 08-001 ~~` Request for Annexation and Zoning of 9.06 acres from the RUT & R1 ~~~'~ zoning districts in Ada County to the C-G zoning district for Overland ~~•~ Villa a by Relo Development - 3330 E. Overland Road: Continue Public Hearing to May 1, 2008 5. Continued Public Hearing from March 6, 2008: AZ 08-003 Request for Annexation and Zoning of 12.06 acres from RUT to R-40 (10.56 acres) and C-C (1.15 acres) zones for Regency at River Valley (REVISED) by Mason & Stanfield - 2500 N. Eagle Road: Recommend Approval to City Council 6. Continued Public Hearing from March 6, 2008: CUP 08-004 Request for Conditional Use Permit for amulti-family development in a proposed R- 40 zoning district for Regency at River Valley by Mason & Stanfield - ,~ 2500 North Eagle Road: Recommend Approval to City Council 7. Continued Public Hearing from February 21, 2008: AZ 06-063 ,1..1 Request for Annexation and Zoning of 38.68 acres from RUT and R-1 ,_ zones to C-G zones for Waltman Property (aka Browning Plaza) by Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Agenda - March 20, 2008 Page 1 of 2 All materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. 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Continued Public Hearing from February 21, 2008: PP 08-001 ~ ~,,;~.~;~ ., Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 52 commercial /office lots and 1 ~<:, ~ `~ `~ common lot on 38.21 acres in a proposed C-G zoning district for ,, .. ~~~ ~ Browning Plaza (aka Waltman Property) by SLN Planning, Inc. - 505, -. x.t ..tr YL `T ;. .'' 521, 615 and 675 W. Waltman Lane: Recommend Approval to City r_ . ~~~ _~~ Council ~ , ~~ ~~ 9. Continued Public Hearing from March 6, 2008: CUP 08-002 Request } ~' ~ . for Conditional Use Permit for a drive through establishment in a C-G zone `. ~~ within 300 feet of another drive through facility for Sonic Southern ~~' r` S rp ings by Boise Food Service - 1870 South Meridian Road: Continue ~'~' ~ Public Hearing to April 3, 2008 ~,> , "~~~ ~ ~~ ~ '- S~ jj '. ~~ ;~7 ~€' y~m' f` ~ ~ 1 -O, 'u' n i .. ..~~~ -. 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E IDIAN--- 10-AH~ C MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING REGULAR MEETING AGENDA City Council Chambers 33 East Idaho Avenue, Meridian, Idaho Thursday, March 20, 2008 at 7:00 p.m. "Although the City of Meridian no longer requires sworn testimony, all presentations before the Mayor and City Council are expected to be truthful and honest to best of fhe ability of the presenter." 1. Roll-call Attendance: _~Tom O'Brien ~6 Wendy Newton-Huckabay Michael Rohm Joe Marshall David Moe -chairman 2. Adoption of the Agenda: ~~p~o~~ 3. Consent Agenda: /_' A. Approve Minutes of March 6, 2008 Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting: ~p~ ~ ~ t~: `> 4. Continued Public Hearing from February 21, 2008: AZ 08-001 Request for Annexation and Zoning of 9.06 acres from the RUT & R1 ~'z'; zoning districts in Ada County to the C-G zoning district for Overland Village by Relo Development - 3330 E. Overland Road: ~ aDD ~ iPc~ ~ !~'C ~l~urr r -~v /~~ / ~ C~ n~-r~r1 tee '_~; , 5. Continued Public Hearing from March ~, 2008: AZ 08-003 Request for Annexation and Zoning of 12.06 acres from RUT to R-40 (10.56 acres) ~,~ and C-C (1.15 acres) zones for ReQencv at River Valley (REVISED) by Mason & Stanfield - 2500 N. Eagle Road: I~~eCD>n/Y-s/r'LG~. f}pp r~OVa,e ~v ~,-~ ~bGU~~~ ~~~ '` ! 6. Continued Public Hearing from March 6, 2008: CUP 08-004 Request I for Conditional Use Permit for amulti-family development in a proposed R- }" `~ ` 40 zoning district for Reaencv at River Valley by Mason & Stanfield - ` ° _.~.. 2500 North Eagle Road: ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ , G~ ~Cv~n~n enc~ ~ V ~ ~~~ ~ 7. Continued Public Hearing from February 21, 2008: AZ 06-063 Request for Annexation and Zoning of 38.68 acres from RUT and R-1 zones to C-G zones for Waltman Property (aka Browning Plazal by Waltman, LLC - 505, 521, 615 and 675 Waltman Lane: ~~~- ~e~~~~C ~~p~oU~ -~ ~~~ ~~c~:2 Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Agenda - March 20, 2008 Page 1 of 2 All materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. °~'', '~° ~ ~ Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilities related to documents and/or hearing, please contact the City Clerk's Office at 888-4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting. .. d't1 ~~ ~~~ F. sr ~~~ ~`F. ~,, 1 '4 _ ~' ~ A ~ Y ~ ` - S i t l b '.5 r-~ a i. r T ~ 4 ~f' . r ~ ` ~# x ' ~ >t ° _ t ~ ~ x ~* a - n~ f f. ~ +y ~•" 1 v it . ~ •~: 1 ~',. 7 f y A r 3 ~ Y ' ~ '' ' [ ~~, '' ~ ~}.r i Pte., _ ~ ~ . _ x i ~ ~ ~` a ~ .. ,~ - ~t~. ~ 5; ti ~.,~ ~~~ ~', ;: _~ .,.. ,;, .-, ~~,~ r: . ~~wr. ~`-. K -i'., .. i I+ ~.I '`'~. ~,~ n1~ %`1i: ;. I yi`-§. ,,- ` 8. Continued Public Hearing from February 21, 2008: PP 08-001 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 52 commercial /office lots and 1 common lot on 38.21 acres in a proposed C-G zoning district for Browninu Plaaa (aka Waltman Property) by SLN Planning, Inc. - 505, 521, 615 and 675 W. Waltman Lane: 9. Continued Public Hearing from March 6, 2008: CUP 08-002 Request for Conditional Use Permit for a drive through establishment in a C-G zone within 300 feet of another drive through facility for Sonic Southern S rp ings by Boise Food Service -1870 South Meridian Road: ~'on~~~~ huh ~`~ ~~~~~ ~o ~-~3 ~~ Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Agenda - March 20, 2008 Page 2 of 2 All materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. 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Corrsent Agenda: A. Approve Mlnutss of March 6, 2008 Punning and 2:oning Commission Meeting: d p~~ ~ 4. Continued Public Hearing horn February 21, 2008: AZ 08-0D7 Request for Annexation and Zoning of 9.06 acres from the Rl1T ~ R1 zoning disMctssn Ada County to the C-G zoning distrkt for nd Vlllaae »y Relo D&velopment-3330 E:,. CWeriarsd t~s'ad: Gvn-h'-Ztt.e. {~ubGic t`~ectx~tn~ -~o /~G~ y J, a©@~ 5. Continued Public Hearing horn March ,2008: AZ 08-D03 R~ueat for Annexation and Zoning of 92.06 acres from RUT to R1t0 (10.58 acres) grid GC (1.15 acres) nines for Reaencv at River Valley (REVISED) by son 8, Sunflekt - 2500 N. Eagle Road: ~eeornmr,.n.d. App ravae ~ ~~ Caure%~ 8. Continued Public Hearing from March 6, 2008: C P 08.004 Request for Conditional Use Permit for a mufFl-family development in a proposed R- 40 mntng dists'iot for Reg~~v at River Valisv by Mason & Stanfretd - 2500 North Eagle Road: f2,.~i(',~p~17MPr+'I.G~ ~Pp~l/R.p -fp ~~ e0tc/~C~~.P 7. 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Continued Public Hearing from February 21, 2008: AZ 08-001 Request for Annexation and Zoning of 9.06 acres from the RUT & R1 zoning districts in Ada County to the C-G zoning district for Overland Village by Relo Development - 3330 E. Overland Road: Continue Public Hearing to May 1, 2008 5. Continued Public Hearing from March 6, 2008: AZ 08-003 Request for Annexation and Zoning of 12.06 acres from RUT to R-40 (10.56 acres) and C-C (1.15 acres) zones for Regency at Rfiver Valley (REVISED) by Mason & Stanfield - 2500 N. Eagle Road: Recommend Approval to City Council 6. Continued Public Hearing from March 6, 2008: CUP 08-004 Request for Conditional Use Permit for amulti-family development in a proposed R- 40 zoning district for Regency at River Valley by Mason & Stanfield - 2500 North Eagle Road: Recommend Approval to City Council 7. Continued Public Hearing from February 21, 2008: AZ 06-063 Request for Annexation and Zoning of 38.68 acres from RUT and R-1 zones to C-G zones for Waltman Property (aka Browning Plaza) by Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Agenda - March 20, 2008 Page 1 of 2 All materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilities related to documents and/or hearing, please contact the City Clerk's Office at 888-4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting. ji~~5-. . ,;~: -~ ~~ ~.~" }- -:. ~..~~~4: a, t.,u ;- {; ~~y~ - , } ~. .. ;~; ,,: ,;s ~~ . ~~, -,. T'; ~~y~rj +~ < '-:l; ~~: ~i~;: -. Waltman, LLC - 505, 521, 615 and 675 Waltman Lane: Recommend Approval to City Council 8. Continued Public Hearing from February 21, 2008: PP 08-001 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 52 commercial /office lots and 1 common lot on 38.21 acres in a proposed C-G zoning district for Browning Plaza (aka Waltman Property) by SLN Planning, Inc. - 505, 521, 615 and 675 W. Waltman Lane: Recommend Approval to City Council 9. Continued Public Hearing from March 6, 2008: CUP 08-002 Request for Conditional Use Permit for a drive through establishment in a C-G zone within 300 feet of another drive through facility for Sonic Southern S rp ings by Boise Food Service - 1870 South Meridian Road: Continue Public Hearing to April 3, 2008 Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Agenda - March 20, 2008 Page 2 of 2 All materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilities related to documents and/or hearing, please contact the City Clerk's Office at 888-4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting. ;., ,~. Meridian Planning and Zoning Meeting March 20, 2008 Meeting of the Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission of March 20, 2008, was called to order at 7:00 p.m. by Vice-Chairman Wendy Newton-Huckabay. ~`~~ Members Present: Commissioner Joe Marshall, Vice-Chairman Wendy Newton- Huckabay and Commissioner Tom O'Brien. '~`; ~~x l Members Absent: Chairman David Moe, Commissioner Michael Rohm. to _, '' ' Others Present: Ted Baird, Machelle Hill, Caleb Hood, Sonya Wafters, Bill Parsons, V~ Scott Steckline and Dean Willis. : ~"`~ ~ Item 1: Roll-Call Attendance: 2`.-a Roll-call ~~~~ ~, X Wendy Newton-Huckabay X Tom O'Brien ~ _. O Michael Rohm X Joe Marshall , ~`~' - ~.:: . O David Moe -Chairman r,: ' - Icome ou to the re ularl scheduled 'n I want to we Newton Huckaba : Good evens Y 9 Y Y 9 r~`u` `'' Planning and Zoning meeting for March 20th, 2008. I'd like to call this meeting to order ` ~ ~ -,a and have the clerk call roll. :I Item 2: Adoption of the Agenda: r~:°,, ~'~~'`'~ ~'- Newton-Huckabay: Okay. We have one item -- I just want to make an announcement that if you're here for Item No. 4, the Overland Village; our intention is to open that ; continued Public Hearing for the sole purpose of continuing it to May 1st, 2008. And ~ with that I will ask for adoption of the agenda. Marshall: I so move. 3 ~~ O'Brien: Second. -~a ; Newton-Huckabay: Okay. So, the agenda is adopted. Item 3: Consent Agenda: A. Approve Minutes of March 6, 2008 Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting: Newton-Huckabay: And we are looking for adoption also of the Consent Agenda. Is there any changes to the March 6, 2008, minutes? O'Brien: I have none. ., r..~ ~' ski r._ `c' is y-~r - .. "6,~... ~' a' ` y . ) ~ ~ `, t r t `. > . ~ 9 f ~ .z ~ Y y ~ ~' n,. z i o-., ~ ~. C ~ ~ { ~ s ~ s t t.' '~ ~ ~ ~ ti C ' ~S rr .~~ ~ J e~_. 4 F; t? ~+ 4 - j~-: t J {~ t l; ~ ~ { 4 ~ r 6 i X: T• I: i _ Y; ~ G i ~-rz _ ~ ~~, a h F i ±. Meridian Planning 8~ Zoning ~=h; March 20, 2008 Page 2 of 57 Marshall: None. Newton-Huckabay: So, I'd like adoption of that agenda. Marshall: Madam Chair, I move that we adopt the agenda. ~_ Newton-Huckabay: Consent Agenda. . Marshall: Consent Agenda. ~~~~'' Newton-Huckabay: I'm winging it. It's my first time acting as chair, so -- we are halfway through, so - G .1.i " ~' Item 4: Continued Public Hearing from February 21, 2008: AZ 08-001 Request for Annexation and Zoning of 9.06 acres from the RUT & R1 r <-==I~ zoning districts in Ada County to the C-G zoning district for Overland Village by Relo Development - 3330 E. Overland Road: ~~-~~~'~, Newton-Huckabay: Okay. I'd like to open Item No. 4 -- oh, I'll open this and move it -- continue it. Item No. 4, the continued Public Hearing from February 21st, 2008, AZ 08- 001, request for annexation and zoning of 8.06 acres from RUT and R-1 zoning districts "-~~ in Ada County, to the C-G zoning district for Overland Village by Relo Development, 3330 East Overland Road, to be continued to May 1st. ~~~II 5._ z~ O'Brien: So moved. `~'~`! Newton-Huckabay: Second? t. ~`~~~ ~ Marshall: Second. Newton-Huckabay: Move that item to May 1st. Newton-Huckabay: Okay. So, I see a lot of familiar faces, so I'll go through the rules of the meeting rather quickly. Procedurally, we will hear from staff first, then, the applicant and, then, the public will have a chance to testify third. The staff is reviewing each application based on its adherence to Comprehensive Plan and city ordinance. Applicant will have 15 minutes to respond to the Commission and, essentially, sell their product -- project. Public, you will have three minutes apiece to state your concerns. If you have a homeowners association, they will have up to ten minutes if they are speaking for other members of the audience. Only one person can speak at a time. You do have to come to the podium to speak and you need to state your name and address prior to speaking. If you notice here we have a light system. You will have a green light when you're speaking. If it turns to yellow that means you have approximately 30 seconds before the end of your three minutes and, then, when the red light goes off we, please, ask that you wrap it up as quickly as possible. You do need to ~ i ~ , j ~ ~ x s pp t i S x~ ~ ". ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ,~ t. - ~t F: F~ ~-, /t ,i, ~ r.', ~~,.~ 1 fi _ k H-'- 2 'Y _ ~ _ ~ ' ~ ! C ~ t ; .. ~ ~ ~ ":~: ~ 1! ek '~S~~r r f ~ ~ , i ) )){ ~41}• I a~ ~~ ? 4 ~, ~ ~ ~. Y.r 3w ws ' S _ f n. ~ 3 ~ s'~4 ~' a 7x ~ '~ b {3F F~5'g ~ _ ..4 ~. ~ ~ P ( ~uA~ T;V - ;~is~~,~~ >> ~ .M. 5 Meridian Planning & Zoning March 20, 2008 Page 3 of 57 -- again, to speak directly into the microphone. If you do make a comment from the rr,: audience, we won't be able to put it on the record, so I would only ask if you're going to relinquish your right to speak if you signed up, you may say that from the audience and I will make a note for the record there. Let's see. Once all the public has testified, the applicant will have an opportunity to respond to your testimony and, then, we will conclude the Public Hearing. The Commission will have deliberations and if we have adequate information, we will move this onto City Council or approval, depending upon the nature of the application. '~?, `II Item 5: Continued Public Hearing from March 6, 2008: AZ 08-003 Request for Annexation and Zoning of 12.06 acres from RUT to R-40 (10.56 acres) and C-C (1.15 acres) zones for Reaencv at River Valley (REVISED) by Mason & Stanfield - 2500 N. Eagle Road: ~'; Item 6: Continued Public Hearing from March 6, 2008: CUP 08-004 Request ~:. for Conditional Use Permit for amulti-family development in a proposed R- "_~`~~ 40 zoning district for Reaencv at_River Valley by Mason & Stanfield - ,,~ ,. ~'y' `~I 2500 North Eagle Road: .<.:' ~~~~~~~~; Newton-Huckabay: So, with that said, we will move onto Item No. 5, which is the - continued Public Hearing from March 6th, 2008, and Item No. 6, for AZ 08-003, CUP '~~ `; 08-004, for the Regency at River Valley. H.;,,~. j = Wafters: Thank you, Commissioners. Just to recap real quick; the site consists of ~_~~ ~ ~ 12.06 acres of land and it's currently zoned RUT in the Ada County. The site is located at 2,500 North Eagle Road, approximately a half mile north of the Fairview-Eagle Road intersection on the east side of Eagle Road, as you can see here on the overhead. The site is directly north of the Meridian Town Center site that was recently approved for `~ annexation here. This is an aerial view of the property. This is their revised site and - landscape plan that was submitted by the applicant after the last Commission meeting, in accordance with staff and Commission recommendations. An emergency only access has been added on the east property boundary adjacent to Allys Way, as F. ':~ required by the fire department. Agate will be installed across the entry that will only be accessible by emergency personnel. A five foot wide landscape buffer has been added _ along the north property boundary adjacent to parking as requested by staff. A ten foot wide meandering multi-use pathway has been added along the future extension of East `=_~: River Valley Road as required by the parks department. Structures along the southern ~`~ boundary are still shown within the easement for the Stokesbeny Lateral. However, the applicant states that Nampa-Meridian Irrigation District is amenable to relocating the easement and lateral 20 feet further to the south, in which case the buildings would be ~yiy outside of the new easement. Those buildings are located right here. Bicycle parking has been added to the west side of the clubhouse as requested by staff. These are the - proposed building elevations for the multi-family structures depicted on the site plan as buildings A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H and I. This is a colored version of Buildings B, C and I 'F and this is an elevation of the clubhouse. These are the garage structures. And, lastly, ~., these are the proposed common areas that contain a playground, tot lot, swimming i ~~ ~~:~~ d t~~'~,,u } <~ ~ ~ ~~F~~ s ter. ~- ~,~~ , ~ J< ~., ~ ,.~,i,p7~~- +r~ ~ , , tt K' j~)y ~ ~; ,,';, r x -ii ~+~` ~$~ 'd`Il ~ ?+r f kg~J ~~~~ ~ Z mow, r ~~' `° ~ r r ~ I_ ` y~ ~~ T ~+ ~.t T i~• T ~; V `aal~,fti ~~ $ ^^ rx x !. L.' C ~+ r wig . u y `~ ao~.; , n7rp, ~ '~ ~ 4 c ~)rf r+.$ 3° Wit;; , s;:s , ~ f s ."~na•C s ~ rw -~~ E ~ ~~. ~ ~ - ~. ~~~_ ~` ~ - ~.~ ~ ~< ,'~'e ~ + ~:~ ~~ ~ ,,, r ~'~~ ° ~, ~~r Meridian Planning & Zoning March 20, 2008 Page 4 of 57 pool, and landscaped open space. The applicant withdrew their request for a variance for a temporary access point to Eagle Road at the last Commission meeting. Without ~~~' the request for access to Eagle Road, staff is supportive of the annexation of the commercial portion of the property at this time. The private street. application for internal a~= streets has not yet been submitted by the applicant. Staff is requesting that this be submitted prior to the City Council meeting. Written testimony on this project has been received from David Kleiner and Andy Wilks. Comments still have not been received from ACHD on this project. Staff is supportive of the requested annexation and Conditional Use Permit applicants per the revisions made to the site plan and conditions f~~` of approval in Exhibit B and the Findings in Exhibit D of the staff report. Staff is recommending denial of the variance for a reduction in the number of covered parking spaces required for multi-family dwellings. Staff will stand for any questions the 'Y'~ Commission may have at this time. Newton-Huckabay: Does the Commission have any questions? } I~ O'Brien: No. Marshall: No, I don't. ri~ ~ ~.:; Newton-Huckabay: Applicant like to present their -- .~~4I Anderson: Good evening, Commission Members. My name is Lars Anderson; I'm with ,' Bach Homes at 11650 South State Street in Draper, Utah, 84020. And we have made sr ~: all the changes that have been requested of us and we are okay with all the conditions -' that are proposed in the development agreement and ready to move forward. Do you ,,~.~~ --- _~ have any questions for us? ~~r; Marshall: I do have -- Madam Chair. There was originally a request for a ten foot wide walkway between the bridge at Ten Mile and East Valley River Road, I believe, through ~'-} here. It appears we have come to terms and made that a five foot? Anderson: Yes. We have met with the parks director -- excuse me. Sorry. Met with the parks director and we -- he indicated that if we put the ten foot pathway along East River Valley Street and up north on Allys Way, that he would forego the requirement for a ten foot through the site, but we would still provide an easement for public access through the site and signage saying it's a public walkway. But we kept it at five feet, so we didn't have bicyclists or, you know, high speed uses through there, but people could certainly stroll through there or walk through there as they wished. So, it seemed like a good compromise. Marshall: Thank you. O'Brien: Madam Chairman, Ihave a -- Madam Chairman, I have a question. Newton-Huckabay: Yes. ~~ ~~. Yp~~; ~ '` a `, '~,' r ~J W ~{L t Y l f tltl ~'~ ~ P a ~ r pp 1~ _ ~' _ ,_ ~ , ~.. ~~ 4• +~~+ S {,{ x - _ ~ . ,:.; - ;i ~ ti ' ~ `s .t~ ~ . ~ 'a r ~ I ` t:: t ,:1 c a x~S .V ' '~ 1 , d :L ~: » ~ ~ t - ~,y x; ~ f € u ~~~ ~iµ X.~ ; _ ~ ~ i l?~~ I 1, _ - ~+ .~ 4 Meridian Planning 8~ Zoning • March 20, 2008 Page 5 of 57 O'Brien: First of all, I think you have done a wonderful job as far as its layout in this confined space. It's quite unique. I have just one concern and that is the distance between the outside parking stalls and, then, the covered ones behind there as far as vehicles being able to have access to those -- to those areas. Just backing out and getting into them -- it had to have been addressed or talked about, I think, so what was your concern, if you had any? Anderson: We have the standard 26 feet there. '- ~° O'Brien: The 26 foot? ' Anderson: Yes. Twenty-six feet all the way around. All the drive aisles are all 26 feet. ~;;.. ''~` So, there is nowhere where we are less than 26, including the emergency access is also shown as 26 feet and so we believe that the turning radius a and all the turning radiuses meet the fire requirements as well of 28 foot inside radius, 40 foot outside. So, we are able to make it work. O'Brien: Okay. Sometimes out there they are hard to turn in that kind of a radius, that's ,. all. t,.. Anderson: Yes. And the project you have seen several renditions of this site an we ~ ,.~ _ ! have worked through it. It's a bit of a shoehorn to fit in with all the easements that we ~:.F "`~~' ` have, but we have been able to get it to work to this point and feel very confident that it will work. Our engineer has reviewed it as well. O'Brien: Okay. That's all I have. Thanks. Marshall: I did have one other question. Newton-Huckabay: Commissioner Marshall. Marshall: Thank you, Chairman. Here at the emergency access -- that's an emergency access only, is that blocked off in any way? I mean it's a gate? Anderson: Yes. And we provided pictures -- I don't know if she included them -- of a gate system and we provided those to the fire chief as well. Agate system that we built elsewhere that has a lock on it for the fire department to be able to unlock and go through there if they need to. i Marshall: Perfect. Thank you. That's all I had. Newton-Huckabay: Any other comments? O'Brien: I have no comments. Thank you. T ~ 4 ,~ ~r~' `~ ~ ~~ l~• ~~ 3~ r s y 1 P ~i `~~ y~4 .s ~ `~Ty f~;~ R i s ` k CL ~ c e~ . . ~ ~` ~ 5~ 4?~~~}}~ * y } ! 1' ~ , ' ~ TS ~ ~ ~ rl> Q C ~ ~ q S VH~~ Ep LF` r ~ L - ,,._ f. ,~. ~ i,~ 42f 1 i. ~ K ~ t. +Y ~ - Y. ~. W g~~ ~ aa ~ i! x ~ ti~~.~ ~ A r x ~ _ . ~ f ~~''# *~~ d ~ '~ t. ( i 4i H ~`~ 1~ a(4~.f ~~ ~ ~ ~ i~< ~ t ,w a ~ k ' ~, r G'{ .wJ '~ Ib 3' d ~ ~ R y Z :.. P ., - ~,~ r . ~. t 'A d~~ ~ ~ .! a 53 Yx ~ 1 .)i~.: ' ~ rIF 1 Y r F_. ~~ ~ ~s~ , }' ~ ~ . '~~ y~s~ ~~ ' t ~ ` i ~r ~~ ~'l~aj'.. + ~ ' tl x ~ , ~~ ~ ~ ~~. ~'r -~~ 3 s g - ~ 7 `~" 'ki~~ f "~,~" e r ~~xJ~~ ~. ~.~ r ~ - - ~T/~ «~ < ~ i,( `~`"~ March 20, 2008 Page 6 of 57 f' ~ Anderson: Thank you. ~_ri - - Newton-Huckabay: Thank you, Mr. Anderson. No one has signed up to testify on this "'~ application. If you would like to, please, come forward. We have no rebuttal. Does the Commission have any comments on this before we make a motion? v _:_ '~.~~ O'Brien: Do you want to close the Public Hearing? Marshall: First I had a comment. I would like to just simply say that I think the applicant has addressed all the concerns that we -- we had last time. I appreciate their work on that. And I'm -- I like the application. Newton-Huckabay: Okay. Want to make a motion? O'Brien: Do we want to close -- do we have to close the Public Hearing first? ~~'! Newton-Huckabay: Uh-huh. ?~~'`~ O'Brien: Oh. I move to close the Public Hearing on AZ 08-003 and CUP 08-004. Marshall: I second it. ,_ e~; Newton-Huckabay: So moved. Is the -- all those in favor? It's a good thing it's a short 47`,Y agenda. Okay. We are done now? ~~~~~~: ;, ~; ,T MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES: TWO ABSENT. firvU,.o. Newton-Huckabay: Make a motion? K , ~.`~ .: s. ~, O'Brien: I'm sorry, I didn't hear that. Sure. After considering all staff, applicant, an 4 <~' public testimony, I move to recommend approval to the City Council of file numbers AZ ~~ ~~~, 08-003 and CUP 08-004, as presented during this hearing for the following reasons, .<=: which we have no further ones -- Newton-Huckabay: Commissioner O'Brien? O'Brien: Yes. Newton-Huckabay: You left out the variance. O'Brien: Okay. The variance was -- which one was -- Newton-Huckabay: VAR 08-00 -- the covered parking. O'Brien: Oh, I'm song. You're right. So, after the CUP 08-004 and Variance VAR 08-00 -- -y f , .... ~ Y, ,. ~ L N r -. ~ 1 1 Y~ - 4 J~k :t ~ 2L ~ 1: _ ~ ~ f..-.: y r' - 1 ~ ~, s ~ f r ~ 1 {. l:' .. r'~ ~`~ I ' - .~.;. ~ S ~ ~ r ~ ~r~ F L { ~_ j. j. rif ~ y`: . ~'. . 4 t `[ ~'~ 7 1 2 ~ ~f Z r .-. h: t l: i~ +'.:1. ~t'~1=3 Meridian Planning & Zoning r ~' March 20, 2008 k~~` Page 7 of 57 "~~~ Baird: Madam Chair, just as a point of order, you can certainly comment on the variance, but the variance is a matter that -- for the City Council only. It's in the staff 4 ~i report because that does get forwarded onto City Council, but two items before you are Items 5 and 6 on the agenda, so -- ~~-" Newton-Huckabay: Correct. I just -- in the draft motion here it did list it as I figured we needed to comment on it, if we are commenting on the rest. Baird: Well, maybe I'll flip it over to planning staff and see if they had a comment on ,_~'~~ why it's there. Wafters: Chairman Newton-Huckabay, Commissioners, you are not required to make a k a' formal recommendation on the variance, but it would be good to forward your unofficial `~ ~'~ recommendation to the City Council - :;:, ; Newton-Huckabay: So, with that said, do you want us to state our specific reasons for ,~ recommending that the variance be granted, since that's the only thing the staff is not in ' ``. '~ agreement with or may we just leave it off of the motion? .. Wafters: Just leave it off of the motion. f~;';ri Newton-Huckabay: Okay. Okay. Commissioner O'Brien, you can proceed as originally intended. ~~ O'Brien: Okay. Should I just start over then? ~~~° ~~' zS I~ Newton-Huckabay: I think so. ~r~:~.' Wafters: Let me just add to that. You can -- you can add your comments on the variance and, then, proceed to the motion, if you -- ~~ ~ - Newton-Huckabay: Okay. .~T~;~ O'Brien: Okay. After considering all staff, applicant and public testimony, I move to recommend approval to the City Council of file numbers AZ 08-003 and CUP 08-004, as }_ presented during the hearing of March 20th, 2008. ~Y~ Marshall: I second it. Newton-Huckabay: All those in favor? Opposed? Motion carried. _,, MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. TWO ABSENT. _~? °`~ Item 7: Continued Public Hearing from February 21, 2008: AZ 06-063 ~~ Request for Annexation and Zoning of 38.68 acres from RUT and R-1 t.. , ~ t ~ ~~ ~~ ~~~jj. a ~ F - ~~tt i r,- ~ kF~ d ~ p _ i ~•~A ~ b ~ ,.t r .3'k 5+~+ ^r~aL ~ } y t` r _ Ai ~ ;' __ 3 ~C _ 4 CHJi f 5F '~ r`i~ 1 ~ +y! r ~.; ?e ~_, Iti. _ It, ~. F T ~'el ~ } ire ~ } t :- f AV. ~'SSa~ l ~'' ~ ~ r- r-;:; > ~ 4 ,~ n - s a x: t e',t,-. 77,,~ ` r` ` ~. c i ~ iy~ !t ~'~~p~4~ ~ ~.: ~"a`xa ~~~' ~ , ~ ~~; A{ 3 y~ 3 • K~ q ~{ :yiY ~~k~ ~7a~~ }f44~ ~{ ~ n~s~. ' a.'~, M ,tl - r ~t Jvx s..n~i ..~§ ~nn~~~~. ~~ ~ x .. Meridian Planning & Zoning March 20, 2008 Page 8 of 57 zones to C-G zones for Waltman Property (aka Browning Plaza) by Waltman, LLC - 505, 521, 615 and 675 Waltman Lane: Item 8: Continued Public Hearing from February 21, 2008: PP 08-001 _ Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 52 commercial /office lots and 1 common lot on 38.21 acres in a proposed C-G zoning district for ;~~ Browning Plaza (aka Waltman Property) by SLN Planning, Inc. - 505, ~' 521, 615 and 675 W. Waltman Lane: ~' Newton-Huckabay: I'd like to open the continued Public Hearing from February 21st, Er °`'' 2008, AZ 06-063 and PP 08-001, the Waltman property, aka Browning Plaza. And before we start witn the testimony rrom Starr, we ao nave s~rne t;ununeins nuiii uic ~.~~y '~~``~ attorney. ~~~ Baird: Thank you, Madam Chair, Members of the Commission. Just a quick note. This ~~``={~ matter was continued for specific items, but we did received an inquiry from the public about the applicant's presentation and there may be a desire on behalf of those present F~ ~I to testify to matters that they may not have had a chance to testify at the last hearing, so we just wanted to let the folks that are here know if you have anything -- everything is ` already on the record, there is no reason to repeat anything that's been said, but if you :.Y ~'~ have a desire to put anything else on the record, we are going to allow that tonight, just as a -- as a courtesy. So, if that --that's what we all got to say at this point. 1 ``~ ' . Newton-Huckabay: Thank you, Ted. Applicant -- or Sonya. ,;.< _: =yi-~ Wafters: Thank you, Chairman Newton-Huckabay, Commissioners. Just to recap real - quick; the site consists of 38.68 acres of land and is currently zoned RUT in Ada County. The site is located on the south side of Waltman Lane, east of The Landing Subdivision, on the north side of Interstate 84. This is an aerial view of the property. '~_~ This is a conceptual site plan showing how the property may develop in the future. This is the proposed preliminary plat, which consists of 40 commercial building lots and two common lots on 38.21 acres. This is the landscape plan and, lastly, these are the =~~`'~ conceptual building elevations that represent how future buildings on the site may ~~; ;. a appear. These were submitted at the last Commission hearing and have been entered into the staff report as part of the record. When the Commission previously heard the ~~';a *'~ subject applications on February 21st, at that meeting the Commission voted to continue the project until tonight's meeting in order to have sufficient time to obtain ~~ comments from ACHD and to give the applicant time to review the development A~. agreement provisions recommended by staff. The applicant submitted a written response to the original development agreement provisions proposed by staff. Staff has Yk updated the development agreement provisions in Section 10 of the staff report, including some of the requests by the applicant and has met with the applicant to discuss these changes. The applicant submitted another written response to the DA ~~r provisions that you should have, based on the updated provisions made by staff. On February 25th, city and ACHD staff met with the applicant to discuss traffic issues in this ~;',4i area. During that meeting the current access limitations and long-term solution for r =x-.. ' a ~ :'~ , , r .;;= t , - yw Trr 5 { _ - zz -' .. ~?i ,s u ~ ; '~ `~ ~ ~ f ~ s':~ x, ~ ts; .`tf , ~ ,. -f• Y •( ~:! ` ~:: ~:' ~.y. ,~ „~,~.~ rit , ~ ~3~ r f k ~~~ ,« t ~~ t ~ ~jl'i 4 k ff _ £. ~r , h ... .?.:h ~:~ _ h. x ~ff~77 ~ ': ~. ~' R~ + ~•~~ ~_ G ~ ?'~ , . c j j ' - . f I 1 . ~~~ 4 -~ ~ ~ - ~` I T, 1 ~ i ~s,~a lG ~~'i~ '~~ r ~~.t~ ~ s( ,, ~ ~t t~ ~ a ~ ~f t -Y ~ ~~a ,ti l, , ~ ' 2~ 1 . i 1 ~ ~ , .c+- f ~. Y ~h ~ ~ _ ' , . r ~ , ~~ Sa M'n a ' S ; ~ ,~ w+r _ a ~'~x ~ ~~ r e~` '~ _- ii ~ H ,yp~ '`!~fF ~G ~' . . f~`f'w Meridian Planning & Zoning .-. March 20, 2008 Page 9 of 57 ''~'`~~ traffic in this area was discussed. A loop frontage road was briefly discussed, but it was not considered a viable option due to the state's plan for the new westbound on-ramp onto I-84. This new on-ramp will take a substantial portion of the property due east of ~3`' the subject site. ACRD and city staff both expressed an interest in having Corporate Drive extended to the north to connect with southwest 5th Avenue. If this connection is >`~ made, a viable secondary access to the site will be established. A solution that ACHD ' ~ staff offered up to get the Corporate - 5th connection made, but not put the entire burden on the application, unless to enter into the development with the development k:`: agreement with the developer to establishing an extraordinary impact overlay district in ~~=~ this area. If an extraordinary impact area is established, the developer of the subject ~r~~~: property, in concert with ACRD, would build the Corporate Drive extension and any other necessary roadway improvements. And, then, reimbursed through extraordinary ";~, impact fees that are generated as buildings are constructed in this area. Unlike ACHD ~::w r~~ staff, however, city staff believes that the corporate drive extension should occur prior to another 8,000 vehicle trips being added in this area, not after. City staff continues to Fk;;< ~, believe that the extension of Corporate Drive to the north across the Ten Mile Lateral is a critical roadway improvement in this area that should be constructed sooner, rather ~~~ than later. Staff is recommending that no more than 75,000 square feet of gross ~1` building area be allowed before the Corporate -Southwest 5th connection is made. Staff recommends that the Commission decide what roadway improvements and ~` development agreement provisions should be included with this development. I'm just `°'^''" going to run through the development agreement provisions that staff has modified since the last hearing. Construction traffic for the purpose of infrastructure ~=~~`~ ' improvements is going to be allowed during the construction related to the Waltman Lane -Meridian Road -Main Street intersection as requested by the applicant. Staff is ~~ ~ allowing up 75,000 square feet of gross building area prior to the extension of the -°' Corporate Drive across the Ten Mile Creek connecting to Waltman Lane prior to ~: ~' occupancy of structures on this site. Also, certificate of zoning compliance application ~~ ~~ will not be approved for any structures on the site that exceed the total allowed square , footage for the site until Corporate Drive is extended. All buildings on the site shall be W generally consistent with the conceptual office and retail elevations submitted with this p application. Staff has added the last part, unless the development agreement is ;:-~.~ modified by the developer once actual users are identified. The applicant requested ~~~' I that addition be made to it. Staffs in agreement with that. Staff modified the provision '~~ I for -- except for a potential hotel site at the southwest comer. Offices shall be '~'-'~ ~ constructed along the west and north -- staff added northwest boundaries of this site. ~~'~'~" There in that comer adjacent to the residential properties as a transitional use to the existing residential uses, unless the adjacent uses are changed into nonresidential uses. Anew provision was added -- restaurant uses proposed ~ along the north 44 ~~:.. ", 4 ~ boundary of the site, excluding the northwest comer directly adjacent to existing s 1 of which restaurant uses are not allowed -- restaurant uses are not allowed residences s;, ~,~~-~i~ , to have outdoor seating areas located adjacent to Waltman Lane and residences to the north, unless the adjacent uses are changed into nonresidential uses. All structures 1 ~~`' I along the west and north property boundaries adjacent to existing residences shall be ~~ ~+' I limited in height to two stories. Staff added to that: And shall have a minimum setback of 25 feet adjacent to the existing residences, unless the adjacent uses are changed „~. ~. -, ~ w, ~, ~ r '~ ~ r ~ ~' i ... ~ ~p~'~in -_ ~~ ~~ 1'H{~2~ ~~ ~ - ~ L ~ i` } ~ y i ~~ ~ - 4 3 y ~~ ~~ i~~ '7 ,j~ ~ k ,y ?2f h ~ E , w~ %~ ~ Y~~~I~ t,.; . n i f ~r}~4~'~v ~ t~~ ~ r ~ ~ ~ b Yh ~ ~ ~~ ` s 5. ~' ~ j Ck t , . ~ M1 ~ ,: ~. ~S3 f _ . f 2 ,y~ f `R~' f J ~paTy ' _ i9 ~r ,. 1) t ~L~~~fr~4 ~_ t~ } ~ S~ ~ r '~ A ll ~~ ~'~ ~ y - r i ~ ~. x ~ 4 ~ f~ ~r b ~ ~ _ ~ {~ ~ p ~~ +~`~ tr L ~. ~ r ~ .~~~ ra ~ e 4i'~' i'i{'; a y~t4 f fi i ~ 3 . r. T' ~.:~j. ~ a ~ i ~ ~ `F ~~ ~~ S r ~+ ~ ~r yk ~n5~~~' x c ~ T't-" ~ P ~~l" ~ ~ ; 3 i ~y a Meridian Planning & Zoning ~~*~. March 20, 2008 Page 10 of 57 into nonresidential uses, with the exception of the proposed hotel. If a hotel is built at the southwest corner of the site, as depicted on the concept plan, a 25 foot setback shall be required for the first story, a hundred foot setback shall be required for the ~' second story, and a 200 foot setback shall be required for anything greater than two stories adjacent to existing residences. Structures along the west and northwest property boundaries directly adjacent to residences shall position the second story -- and we added and higher in the case of a hotel -- windows in such a manner as to not ~ have these directly into neighboring residential properties. Staff also added the ~~` provision for no rear loading areas, delivery areas, trash areas, or obtrusive lighting shall be permitted adjacent to existing residences on the west and north property boundaries. Minimum -- and we changed the provision. A minimum of 15 buildings -- it .._ L'r:; said should. Staff changed that to shall be required on this site. Development of this -` ' ~ site shall be generally consistent with the conceptual site plan submitted with this 4';~ ' ~4' application, as determined by the planning director. Staff added unless the reement is modified by the developer once actual users are identified. ment a develo ~y> ~` g p Prior to issuance of the first occupancy, a ten foot wide multi-use pathway shall be ~~, .: -.. constructed at the northeast corner of the site. Staff added as depicted on the concept plan and as approved by the parks department on the east side of the Ten Mile Drain. ;;;! Construct a maximum of five access points to Corporate Drive as shown on the concept I plan. Staff added unless the development agreement is modified by the developer once "~~ '~ actual users are identified. That concludes the development agreement modification. ;°~ Staff added a preliminary plat condition of approval for a maximum of five access points to Corporate Drive. A collector road shall be allowed as depicted on the concept plan. I ~~~` And the building elevations that were submitted from the last hearing has been included , in Exhibit A-5 of the staff report. Written testimony on this application was received from Art Beny. At this time staff will stand for any questions the Commission may have. ~f' ~E ~'~ ~ Newton-Huckabay: Any questions? O'Brien: Yeah. Madam Chair, I have a question for Sonya. Something I have been thinking about -- the applicant is not allowed to build or bring in heavy equipment before Corporate Drive is completed or the intersection of Waltman Lane and Meridian; is that -- so, that's correct? Wafters: Chairman Newton-Huckabay, Commissioner O'Brien, Commissioners, staff changed the DA provision to allow construction traffic for the purpose of infrastructure improvements to be allowed during the construction related to the Waltman Lane - Meridian Road -Main Street intersection. O'Brien: So, we are talking about dump trucks and bull dozers and things like that? I don't know. Wafters: Whatever construction traffic is needed for the purpose of infrastructure improvements. --~-~---,mo w: j +,< ~" vd z ~,~ v r t, 4 ~,-~~ n ', ! t ~~' S} -~ t(Y + i ~ ;j ~'~ 5 ~ ,~• hFj 3 Y _ t ~'i l ~~laC .. ~ ~ ~ ~., t k t s t~~~ulk - t .x :~ 1 y b"< 7 ~1,i k~ C~,i - ~ u~.'' r~n~5 1~.-~ . - - ~-~~' ~~ ?~ ,x~ 'aS u ~~ m~~s ~ t7~~ ik~ a~{, ln~~~xa i q i ~ if _ a _~ ~ 4 i fTn 3, 3 /. i vl~E' 3 I - '~ ; $~ ~, i s ,_ yq~ * 4 4 .. f F ~ i t -'" ~~' ,, ,; Y'~ ~.s Y ~ ~ e ~ _ 4 fir. ~ ' t t 'Y 1, ~~ ~ ~ ¢ ~ ~~r ~ , . .~, N,. ~V a~~~. Meridian Planning & Zoning March 20, 2008 _ Page 11 of 57 O'Brien: The reason I bring that up, because if it was going to happen, I just wondered if you could build a temporary access road -- could I have the overhead of the site -- the -- I don't know what you call it -- Google site. Well, this -- that would be fine. Yeah. So, we are talking about here of excess traffic and this intersection is going to be rebuilt and -- Corporate Lane is going to be extended, but I don't know the time frame that Ada County or the state's going to improve this on-ramp and could there not be an access road, temporary one, built alongside this area? Has that ever been considered? '~'~ Watters: Well, the applicant -- excuse me. Chairman Newton-Huckabay, Commissioner O'Brien, Commissioners, the applicant will need to obtain permission from those land owners -- O'Brien: Oh. Okay. ' ~ ~' Watters: -- to do that. I don't know that they would want construction traffic on -- ,$ " `~ O'Brien: I was thinking more about the right of way that the state was going to use ~~^i ~'' anyway until they get that finished and I don't know what the time frame is on that. So, that's -- it's just a wild thought, so -- Hood: Madam Chair, Commissioners, if I may -- and the applicant could probably I entioned althou h she kind i h ACHD as Son a m enli hten a little bit more. We met w t y g g ` ~:~~ ~ of went through those -- there is really not a lot of changes, but there were some details =y:~ that have been added since the last time. The temporary access, ACHD assured us -- ~~~~~' and I'm sure they told the applicant the same thing, only with some more details, that they can allow those bigger construction traffic type trucks in and out of there while they ~ ~'`' I, are reconstructing an intersection. How, I don't know, but they said they would work ' ' t think it s in the " °~ `' something out to allow them that construction traffic to maneuver. I don movements that you just kind of outlined, though. I would imagine it's going to be something closer to the intersection and getting them back and using Waltman Lane to k , ~a , , ;- _i get them into the site, rather than sending them through the state's property, but Idon't r'k~' know that. I didn't see that plan. I did want to highlight one quick thing, though. This ;,~`T' : doesn't have anything to do with your -- with your question, but I did want to explain a little bit more, because I was at the meeting and Sonya wasn't and I covered this last ~~" time at the presentation. That same meeting that we had with ACHD, I just wanted to explain a little bit of this extraordinary impact fee overlay and kind of how that works and why I personally think it's a great opportunity for the entire area to -- to get some '~~~ roadway improvements up front and not have them lag behind or potentially never ' ~ happen. Essentially, what happens is in this case this applicant would be charged with ~~-~ `,, working with ACHD and ACHD told me -- or told us all at that meeting that they would work with this property owner on acquiring some of that right of way or all of the right of way needed for the Corporate Drive extension. Essentially, what happened, though, is ~~~ the applicant fronts all the money for whatever construction is going to be included, " ` whether it's just this or improving all of Waltman Lane, so it connects through and you have a finished street or maybe there is other roadway needs in the area, whatever ~~~`"~ ACHD and the applicant and the city all say, yeah, this is what we want to see grouped ;~ . . n~G ",~:~' . ~. J4L... .. __.. y ~' ' ~ +~ f. _n. '' f' 1 y ;' ~`', 2 3 2 n t .,, ; "'j Ni, tf ,:4 _, r i ~'~~'~ G. t i, L Cam;-/ /: ~ t~ ; _ { ~ rr G ', ~. ,~ 1 4 ~. ~,~ ~ w~, 1 54 t Q J ~t~ ' ~'~:: •rr 1 !.' 1. F T', Y- f { q r*~` e,9 ... , Meridian Planning & Zoning March 20, 2008 Page 12 of 57 in with this area. And what happens is, again, they front the money and if the market slows, the applicant, you know, has to pay all that money up front and they are out that "~ money. But as anyone within this geographical area comes in, they pay above and beyond what their regular ordinary impact fee is to the highway district. It's an ~~~; extraordinary impact fee. And ACRD, basically, tracks all this and collects that fee and, then, hands it over to the applicant. So, basically, they're administering this fee in making sure that the applicant gets paid back in time their fair share. Now, they still `~ have to pay their fair share, too, so the buildings that come in within their development are still subject to this, but, in fact, they are credited back. But that's kind of in a nutshell how it works. They administer it, they oversee it; they review the construction drawings and do those types of things. But the monetary costs are associated with the developer who up fronts the cost and, then, over time are reimbursed. So, I just kind of wanted to give you just abrief -- and I probably butchered it, but that's the general idea of how they function and what staff, again, thinks is a viable solution to make this happen and ~`~` not put all of the costs -- there is some burden, don't get me wrong, they have to up ,~~ front those costs, but it spreads it out over a larger geographical area where everyone is paying their fair share. So, I just wanted to explain that real quick. O'Brien: Thank you very much. I have no further questions. ~° Marshall: Madam Chair, 1 did have a -- what I think is more of a legal question r, regarding the potential DA and the comment about unless the adjacent uses are ~~<<''.~ changed into nonresidential uses. I understand the purpose behind it, but what I wonder is if those residential areas are purchased, does that null and void everything that comes before it? There is no -- -- Baird: Madam Chair and Commissioner Marshall, if I could ask you to sort of give me ~yV"";~ an example of what your concern -- >~ Marshall: Well, it's used multiple times throughout the DA and so I read restaurant uses ~~ ~~~~ ~ are proposed along the north boundary of this site, excluding the northwest comer t ~ directly adjacent to the existing residences of which restaurant uses are not allowed. Or - not allowed to have outdoor seating areas located adjacent to Waltman Lane and residences to the north. Unless the adjacent uses are changed into nonresidential ~`:± uses. I can understand that if there is no longer a residence there we don't have to ~~~ wo about a restaurant there, but it 'ust seemed that that comment used over and over .',; n'Y J again seemed to throw out any control over how that developed. ~r~; .~;, <<~:.~. Baird: Madam Chair, Commissioner Marshall, Members of the Commission, the way that I would interpret that is that if and when the residential use goes away, then, that -~a, only adds additional flexibility, it doesn't take away from anything that's been done before. Say there is a restaurant there that goes in -- if it's allowed, if I understand it 4 , correctly, while there is resident adjacent, then, there wouldn't be any outdoor seating. ~a If the adjacent residence went away, that restaurant could conceivably come in and get approval for outdoor seating. I think that's the flexibility they are trying to build in, so ~~~, that the applicant -- or whoever is the owner, doesn't have to come in every time there is ~_~ ~~«-s~« i ~~~ a'~ 9 ~3 4. F 3t~ ~ "f ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~~~ 4 ~ y ~ ~ t y r 2 5 C~ k ~ :8 ~ ~ ( ~~`~~~. ~ ~; { ' ~ a_4 t 4Z++~,,~jt} ff s~ ; ~. ~1 ~~ ~ + S~ 4 ~Q `a '-3~ ,o- a ~ ~ t }~}` ~~~~6~ ~ 'a r ~ s ~ e "~r~~ ~ ~ ~ a ~~ ~~ ~ ~ ~., ~ r y{ ~ Z a~~ a~i' ~ {~ ;,~ ~y i iy..~ ~Q~i'f ~ 5 .F _~ C ~ r ~ , .a ~~ `> ~3 t ~~ ~ l '. f Meridian Planning & Zoning March 20, 2008 Page 13 of 57 an owner change on the adjacent properties to have the DA updated, because updating a DA is a pretty onerous process and I think we are just trying to foresee what could happen in the future, build in some flexibility, but I don't think it nullifies anything that has happened prior to that. Marshall: Okay. Thank you. Baird: Is that a sufficient explanation? :yam Marshall: Thank you. _~.~' L Baird: I was getting nods from staff as well. I hope they are agreeing with that interpretation. - Newton-Huckabay: Okay. Any other comments? Would the applicant like to come ,,.,.K forward? ~,wF~ ~ Nickel: Good evening, Madam Chair and Commission. Shawn Nickel, 6228 Discovery ay; ! Way, Suite 200, in Boise, here tonight representing the applicant. We want to thank you for the additional month to get with staff and ACHD and try to work out these -- well, the laundry list that we had that we left with last time. Did you all receive my March 18th ;~;: letter? Oka All ri ht. And as ou can see -- and Son a went throu h the items of the 9 Y 9 Y Y ~s~y;~,~ development agreement in detail, but just wanted to point out -- and I try to highlight >~~, them in red and make them as user friendly as possible. But, as you can see, we are in -- agreement with the majority of the conditions now that staff is recommending. We still ~~ `:~ have some issue with two of them and so I'll go into those real fast and, then, we can -- ``" '` I we can open discussion. The first -- the first issue -- and I do appreciate Caleb kind of bringing you up to speed on the history of that meeting we had with ACHD. So, I think r= 1~ that was important for you guys to understand what -- what happened. However, staff is ;a:~ .'~ recommending that a limit to the square footage of the construction on site until the ,:,''~ Corporate Lane connection is established and, again, we would like to have your ~~ condition be consistent with ACHD's condition, which staff did read into the record, but ,;.~., basically at a certain vehicle trip threshold that would kick in the requirement for that ~~~~-~' Corporate Drive to be extended. We are excited about ACHD working with us on that possible extraordinary impact fee and I think that's -- that's something that we can work -, ` with. You have seen it in a couple other locations. One is off of Eagle Road, Mountain ~~ I,..~_,N.e View and Allen Street. Now that ou're there the had the same a of im act fee -- p > Y Y tYp '_~1_' extraordinary impact fee established where those projects developed -- I think it was -- `"~~~ ~ ~ think it was Allen and Mountain View were improved and that allowed that area there to ~ '" -- to develop with a McDonald's, with the credit union, and all those other uses that you E.r,~`~ see there now. So, that was -- that's an example of the extraordinary impact fee in play. -` And, then, the second -- second and only additional condition we'd like modified or at ~ least bring up for discussion is the condition -- staff still feels that they do not want to _;' ~ see any of retail uses on this west boundary, they want to limit it to office only and at our i last meeting we got into a little discussion on, well, what type of uses would be there if ~~, we did allow some retail. Our idea is to have it be neighborhood type retail and so what tl T~~~:* ~ ~ I ~1; ~ a~~ 'Y~ X ri:3 rfeu~l~(~ - ~~ 'F F~~ Y~~ s ~ ~~~ ~ ~ . y ~ ii n ~ ~ ( ~ , ~ i. , ~ CL ~.i~: ~SI - - pp ~~ 12~~ ~ ~~ S '~ ~ t .. i ; 5 yy ~. f~-_ ty Div fifG ~, ~.~., ~.:. ~ r rv s~¢GK ~ 4~o-7.S} rl ; t 1 „ ' ! _ } ~ l G } j~ ~~ ~ y~~® rrl ~ rK t _ ~ ? ~ ®® 'F - ~--4u~H~< - ~d k r ~` I~ 7'~~~1 ~~w~k ~ sk fia~ ~i >v~[~ i y T 5~ ~~~ ~~ 51:- j'~~~~~` ; 6 \~u35' ~~:a,~ SAY ~+; r, _ , ~ o~ .F & , ~ ~ S t ~ t i ~ ~.~: Yy M C f,.~ a ri ~ ~h~ ~ ~i~~~~~~ ~ '~ c r . ~(: ~ ~ j~'~ ~ }r s R ~ p ~ ~ ~s , ~ ~ r { i ' tic- ~ i i t 'Y~'~T,~l Y,f''~' ~I ~ y. S~XF Y ~ •` _.r ~ ~; #. ~i3~• x Meridian Planning & Zoning March 20, 2008 Page 14 of 57 we -- what we have done is we have proposed a couple of things for each night. One is f -- and if you can look at that -- that bullet in the red outlining that I have, we have proposed -- Newton-Huckabay: Excuse me. Shawn? Nickel: Yes. Newton-Huckabay: I'm sorry. I don't think I have that letter. I'm not finding it. I thought that I had read everything. ~' Nickel: There is something that I had given to the clerk a couple days ago. C4 F~,,~ Marshall: I received it in a fax, but I don't have it with me. j ,A ~~° Newton-Huckabay: Okay. Sony to interrupt you. ._ Nickel: That's okay. Newton-Huckabay: Is that the only copy of it? Okay. Can you go make -- ~ t?='~' O'Brien: I apologize you don't have that, because it's probably hard for you guys to follow me if I'm referring to something you don't have in front of you. ~ ~.. " Marshall: I went to the source. I went to Sonya and she sent it over to me, so -- ,~~ Nickel: Okay. So, basically, what we are -- if you want me to continue until that comes back. ~ ~'~;~`' Newton-Huckabay: That would be fine. Nickel: What we are -- what we are askin for is to have some limited retail uses on 9 that -- on that western boundary. Staff has indicated that they want to keep it strictly ~~~~I~, office. What we are proposing is two things. One is to prohibit drive-thrus, drinking ~~~' establishments, businesses that would operate after 10:00 p.m. and, then, restaurants or food establishments would only be allowed as a Conditional Use Permit. And, then, ~- fi`t' ~ in addition -- and staff has put this in later on, no rear loading areas, delivery areas, st,-; '~~~ ~~ '~ trash areas or obtrusive lighting would be allowed. That's one proposal. The second proposal, which is a little more -- I think might be a little bit better, might be what you ~1~xal were looking at last time is to establish specific uses. So, what I did is I went ahead and included the -- if you had that list, the list of uses in the C-G zone and we took out the '~"" ones that we felt were not compatible with residential. And I can either read those all to you or you can wait for a couple minutes until Machelle gets back and you can look at ~_ that -- and you can look at that list. 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Meridian Plannin & Zonin ~ • March 20, 2008 ~~rl Page 15 of 57 4'-. ~, f:. r " ' Nickel: So, those are the two recommended conditions in the development agreement :`. that we would like to discuss this evening and we can open up that dialogue -- I'll go ~-_ "II ahead and stand for any other questions you have right now and, then, we can open up ,~,. the rest of the Public Hearing. ~`~' ' O'Brien: I just have a question about some of the issues that I know are going to come up in that is increased traffic and noise and trash collection, et cetera, if you have a -_~~ ~~ restaurant in there or anything that's retail of that nature is going to -- and I think this is what I heard before from the community, saying this is going to be a problem and they don't want to have that kind of problem and I kind of agree with that. So, I don't know if that is a viable suggestion or not if that's going to -- going to work. Nickel: Madam Chair and Commissioner, that's why we are proposing these conditions, so you would -- you would -- Sonya, can you put the site plan back up. So, again, you have a -- you'd have a building here. What we would do is we would establish, no matter what that building is, office or this limited retail, would not have any parking, trash pickup, lighting, loading, anything along the back side. So, if there was a use that was going to go in there, it would all be handled internally. You would have landscape buffer and, then, you would have the building itself. That's one -- that's one way to take care of that compatibility issue. And, then, if you look at the list that I'm proposing, you can see the list that we use for that we have taken out altogether that we don't feel are appropriate that you -- it would be impossible for us to bring in or to try to -- try to transition those into a residential use, so -- Marshall: Madam Chair? Newton-Huckabay: Yes. Marshall: I have got a quick question. Shawn, could you refresh my memory here on the recommendation about an 80 percent build out or 75,000 square foot maximum. Was that conditional on the build out of Waltman Lane or Corporate Drive or Waltman Lane and Corporate Drive? Nickel: I guess I'll let staff elaborate on that. Wafters: It's and Caleb's telling me. Newton-Huckabay: And. Marshall: So, it would be limited until such as -- such time as Waltman Lane and Corporate Drive would be built out. Newton-Huckabay: I understood nothing would happen until Waltman Lane was under construction. ~:_ ~,h, t `, ~,, ~ ;; r ' '~ ~, ~ 4~ft' ~j~~ff~s ~ 11 1 ~ ~ F f ~Trv ~ `~ Y I F ~P ` l~n J~ ~ ~ d -~- ~ ~~ ~ _ ~.f' 7 C fV`Y ' ~ 1 ~ ~ .. ~ lr i Lµ. G ~ ~ 1 ~vr v _ F :r ~'E'+~ ~~ ' 3~~~ ' Yk { , , i t ~~~~~ r_ x~r ~~x~~rlk n' `. ,~c s-k~~~ 4 t^e r x? t ~+~ f ?., ~ t t h ~ ~ ~~~ ~ ~ _ yi ~' ~ ~~ 1 - ~ - ( ` ~~ ~ ~ ~ "-~F ~ ' .~ + k r{ k ' ~r.e G,_ r "' ..,. h ~ #v'CZ r;'p - . ~'~ .... Y r i- nz ~ } ~ s ~~ ~F ~Qk ~ '' ;~ I ii .; - ~ ~ ~sl I `~ 2c ~~ ~ ~ - V 1 r g 1 x T 4 'F+~h H 14 ~ ~ y ~' a ~ ~ ~. p ~ i ~ ^~~ ~ r ~ '.{ ~~~. , ~~ ~~ !~. Meridian Planning & Zoning March 20, 2008 Page 16 of 57 Nickel: The -- okay. It's the -- the intersection of Waltman Lane. Nothing can happen, other than utility construction on our site until the Waltman Lane intersection is completed. Marshall: Right. Nickel: Then, additionally, as staff has it written, only 75 percent of -- or excuse me -- 75,000 square feet can be built on site before Corporate has to be extended. Marshall: And the ACRD recommendation was 80 percent limiting to 8,000 vehicle trips per day down Waltman Lane. =~ ~ Nickel: They actually said 8,000 vehicle trips, because they are basing it on the traffic __ study and the -- Marshall: Which was a maximum 10,500 vehicle trips per day at build out. ~.. Nickel: Right. Correct. Correct. And that comes out to about 80 percent of the development with our calculations. ~`~`' ~' ~ et and 8 000 Newton-Huckabay: So, what s the difference between the 75,000 square fe , z '~ vehicle trips? _; Hood: Madam Chair, maybe I can try to answer that one a little bit. I guess it's the '`~'''y~°~; _-a difference between us as city planners trying to track how many trips a retail or 3~ restaurant or office user is going to generate. First is us looking at a site plan with elevations and a floor plan going this is how big the building is. I don't know how many - ~>F: :~- -how many buildings or square footage 8,000 trips is. ACHD expects us to track that and say, hey, stop at 8,000. I have no way. I'm not trained to do that and we can't, essentially. They have offered something up and I asked them that at the meeting, how "~~°~~~ are we su posed to know when we get to 8,000. They said, well, track it. I was like I P " don't know how to track that. So, that's why we put into a measure that it's certain -- let "~~ me just put it in some terms of 75,000 certainly isn't going to generate 8,000 trips, unless it's just -- I don't think a movie theater generates that. So, I mean you're talking '`~ it's not -- it's a very small portion of what ACHD is willing to allow. My thinking -- } ~: ~~~ Sonya's thinking in talking with her about it was it allows them to get going with some -- `~{ some building, but we don't want them to get 80 percent and, then, say, well, we are at 80 percent, we can either spend a million or two million dollars and build the road or we ~~~' can stop now and not and already have it 80 percent built out. So, 80 percent or 8,000 " ~~ =-w trips -- to me there is no carrot there for the developer to follow through and get , : E Corporate Drive extended. That's way too much. You're too far down the line to now say, whoa, stop now and build it. I just don't see it happening, quite honestly, at 8,000 ~' ~~ a~ , trips. So, with 75,000 you get a little taste of a development. If you want more, then, : ~~~ that can support more. So, that's kind of really you have got to get that infrastructure '. ~' , , our -- our thinking and just how we can -- if we are going to administer this or some r: restriction on it, we need it to be on our terms, so we can -- whatever it is, square F ~,~ ~:. . ~, , ~Y { ~ ~'~ ~ ~ { a , - G _ ~~~1at'a' ~ ~!~ ~, to ..._~. Ic ~ s ~'< f p d~.. 1 _" ti dryyl~~``F ~'f 4 'F~+ JJ - ,~f~'31~i T ~ ~ ~~MI x ~ - 1 _ ] 8 :. 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So, that gives you some comparison idea of their requirement versus ours. Newton-Huckabay: Which would make this about 320,000 square feet at build out? Wafters: I'm sorry? Newton-Huckabay: It would be about 320,000 square feet total? Hood: If it were all commercial. Now, there is certainly office and hotel and those are going to generate traffic at different rates than each other, so retail generates a little bit more, so that may be that 280,000 or whatever she just said, you know, could be any combination of 100,000 square feet of office and 200,000 square feet of retail and 75,000 square feet of restaurant or whatever to get to that. So, we just said again, for us easy tracking, whether it's restaurant or office or retail -- square footage. Newton-Huckabay: Okay. Well, you answered my question. What I wanted more than anything was a perspective on what 75,000 square feet means to city staff and what 8,000 vehicles trips per day means to you and the difference is about 195,000 square feet of space to build, so -- okay. Nickel: And, again, we are real concerned with having conditions placed on a piece of property that has out -- or has off-site improvement requirements that we have no control over. So, even though ACRD is saying, yeah, we will work with the neighbor to the north and we will try to get that connection, it's really hard for us to get a developer to come in that wants to invest anything, not knowing, you know, if we can get that -- that access to Corporate Drive -- or through Corporate Drive. So, that's the concern we have. This is something you guys have to, obviously, weigh out and make as part of your recommendation to the City Council. Given that, if we have to come up with a number, I would rather have something closer to about 150,000 -- and the reason I'm throwing that number out there is that that would provide the anchor tenant to be able to come in, because until you get an anchored tenant, the chances of a smaller user coming are probably not going to be that great. I think the anchor tenant's going to -- and we don't even know what that is. But the anchor tenant is going to come in, they are going to establish that, they are going to start building, and I think that's going to draw in your -- our other users. So, we haven't really talked about this with staff, but if you have to put a limit on the square footage, that would be our -- I guess our -- you know, as opposed to 75,000, we'd like to at least have something that the anchor could go in and start -- and start construction. So, you guys are going to have to make that decision. I'll just leave that with you to discuss. e.. .G . , ~t~~, ,~ ~,~~~~ , ~{~ - 1 ~1 . y ~ ~' 4G ' " y 1 J w ~ ~~ ~ • - ~ v ~ ~ I l~ ~ ` r s w ~ ~>. ~ ` r i . ~, r-, ~" - ~ i G •, A ~. 3 ; . 3'. 7 1. _ 3' ~ ',,r., ~,~.~+, - ~~ , , ` ~ I r, -,~ ~~, ~ ~~ ' ' " ~ ~; ~ ~ i t r ~~ v F ~~ it ~ ~~ ' t t; Meridian Planning & Zoning March 20, 2008 Page 18 of 57 Newton-Huckabay: I just have one -- or go ahead, Commissioner O'Brien. O'Brien: Oh. Madam Chair, I have a question for Caleb. Caleb, when you attended that meeting with Ada County Highway District, did they factor in the residential uses? In other words, people that live in the residential areas that bypass this operation, that still use the highway as -- and, basically, add to the congestion, I mean it seems like that number is so superFluous that it would be difficult at best to guess what the number would be. :?-.~ Hood: And I missed the very first part of that, but I think I heard what you're saying is ~~y that 8,000, basically, just this site or does it include background traffic as well. Because ~. I think that was something that the applicant bought up and if I heard ACHD correctly at ~. that meeting, that 8,000 trips -- it isn't just for their site, it's any of the properties furt er - ~`.'~~ -closer to Meridian Road coming in and they, too, have to go through Waltman Lane. They are going to limit anyone going down Waltman Lane to 8,000 trips. So, those -- y' ~: they don't even own those 8,000 trips if it gets approved at 8,000 trips. It's anyone. And if someone builds a residential subdivision back there and they have to go through Waltman Lane, it's 8,000 trips total. They just happen to be in first, so that's how it was ~''~ explained to me. ~~ O'Brien: Thank you. Appreciate that. I have nothing further. r Newton-Huckabay: Mr. Marshall, did you have another question before we take public ~~~~ testimony? r:~:: _.. :.-~` ` Marshall: I don't at this time, no. ~~:u' I Newton-Huckabay: Okay. Shawn, I just had one question. I made a note when you F.: ^ ~ hat ou were real) excited and oka with the extraordina im act fee first came up t y y y ry p `~_ ` potential with ACRD and, then, I heard you say that you didn't want to make any outside ~_ improvements at the end of your testimony. two Nickel: We are not -- I mean we are not there yet with ACRD and this is something that ~.4~:II they have said that they are -- you know, they have got it written in. We don't have the "~` ~' details yet and we don't know the area that the -- the boundary that this would cover. It's something ongoing and so I can't stand up here and say that -- s~ ,:~I t;>~ ~'`' Newton-Huckabay: Do we want to continue this until you get that worked out? Nickel: It's not something that's going to be done at anytime soon. I mean it could take ~i -- it could take a year for them to -- for them to establish it. And we are excited that they are looking at that, because what's going to happen is I think you're going to see Waltman be improved -- improved quicker and you're probably going to see Corporate ~~ be improved quicker. That gives a basis for that to happen, but, again, this developer has to -- has to front that cost and, then, as other development comes into the area, then, it will be -- it will be reimbursed. i 4f r ~ ~Y ~~ }i~~i ~ ~fi~ ~, ~F •- P Y , I y i A~ ~ ~ ~ ~ f$fff$ N~ ~k~~l'i.Y l~f ? ~ . ~ i L `f~~ 1:l~~~I~ r i~ t Y. ~ ~ . ~y~.`' ~ ~ a ~~~~i ` ~ . ~ ~-u ~ ~~ ,y, ~ t ti :. rk x, , §a~ ~~ ,~ f c ~3 ~~i~ ~ 9 r e~1.1~ Meridian Planning & Zoning March 20, 2008 Page 19 of 57 Newton-Huckabay: lJh-huh. Okay. That was my only -- do you have any other -- before public testimony? Nickel: No. Just thanks -- thanks a lot. Newton-Huckabay: Kathy Floyd. Floyd: Hello. My name is Kathy Floyd. I live at 520 Waltman Lane. And I'm a little concerned about the no loop or frontage road and the only reason it seems like that were being given is because it's going to be widened, but it doesn't need to be right next ~F~'t to the exit. I mean it's not going to be widened to the whole property. So, I think that's ;'~ kind of a weird reason. And the second thing is -- another concern I have is it seems ~' like the city or -- I don't know who it is -- is kind of bending over backwards to help this development go in. I did a little research as far as the split corridor and two years Yu before this developer bought this land it was going to be under three million dollars to do basically the same thing, except not open Waltman -- put Waltman further from the intersection. When the -- when this was bought by the developer it now has jumped to 15 million and I think that seems kind of strange. I mean I know our costs rise, but I ~`' don't think they rise like that much. And, then, I think it was strange that Joe Borton, who was on the City Council when that was proposed and approved, was representing {":' j the developer. I think seems a little bit conflict of interest. And secondly or thirdly or fourthly -- I don't know where I'm at, but -- Newton-Huckabay: Fourthly. ''r''' Floyd: -- the -- Waltman Lane is a one lane road and even when my brother was .~., ~, ,;~~~; building his house you couldn t put cement trucks over the bridge, because it can t handle that. So, for anything to be built on Waltman Lane, you have to have Corporate `„<"' in lace ou have to have Waltman Lane in place before anything can be done. So, ~ p ~Y that's all I have to say. '~`'"''~~ Newton-Huckabay: Thank you. Nona Haddock. Okay. From the audience Nona ,rr-x Haddock's concerns have been covered. Donna Aldridge. .,`.,,. ~, Aldridge: My name is Donna Aldridge. I live at 365 Waltman Lane. And I think I'm the oldest person down there. I have been there for over 40 years and it's been so peaceful a'`=r, II ~~~ ~ and quiet and this is going to be a nightmare. The road, like you say, they opened that up about 25 years ago when they built that bridge over on the other side there and that ~' traffc -- you couldn't even get out of my driveway. They had to have the police down there, they had to have that little wagon down there and that traffic was just like a bunch of wild horses set free. So, if it was that much, people coming through there at that ~~ time, who do you think is going to be when they put this development in? It's going to be a nightmare. I think that they ought to come to the people and try to make something ,`~ right with them. Like I said, I have been there 40 years and I have a lot of memories there and if they widen that road they are going to have to take my well, they are going i ~f~ 'V } ` \ • ~S ; t }:' ~~ ~ ~ Y } f ~ 1e tiF ~ ~ ~~~~l~K ~.4ea ~~~~t ~ . I 1 T 'l 1 j~ ~M 7. k , ~ ~ ~4i' ,r, *~ jjR'{{ `i ~ ~~~~ " ~ ~ , . 3, E~ S I v ~ ~il i I t ~ ~ f f v ', ~ f~ ~ ~ ~~~ ~ 0 P ~I. ,c ~~~~{ ~ ~ . ~ ~~ I I IA 7 ,l ~ r ~ ) ~! ~ ~7 ;~ t I~ ~ i f ~ p ' ~1 1 ~ t . h ~ i~ ~'` I: ~r~~~~ .a r,:¢F~~s~ _ -,,: Meridian Planning 8~ Zoning • • March 20, 2008 Page 20 of 57 to take my whole yard, half my yard, my well and everything and that's not fair. Like I said, I have been there 40 years and that's my home. Newton-Huckabay: Thank you. Mike Swenson. Swenson: Mike Swenson. 815 Waltman Lane. I think what -- I have got a number of concerns. The main one is that we have been kind of left out of the loop. We have had one meeting for the development that, you know, with very bad pizza and maybe six people showed up type of thing and, then, we haven't heard anything about this since that. Well, like, oh, there is a meeting, you know, you really need to go. My neighbor had to tell me that this meeting was here tonight. Our -- our -- right now the -- getting onto Meridian Road is a death trap. You know, I just can't imagine being able to do anything until you improve Meridian -- you know, that interchange and that -- we were told when we moved in 16 years ago that we were going to -- not to wont', they are going to build Corporate through. Well, you know -- you know, so you won't have to worry about that death trap kind of thing. Well, that hasn't happened and, you know, putting equipment down that road, which is a really Mickey Mouse kind of road. I mean Mr. Waltman built it that should tell you something. I think this whole thing is kind of ill thought out and I think there needs to be some more input. ~,"' Newton-Huckabay: Thank you. Curtis Lee. Lee: Curtis Lee. 265 Waltman Lane. I just want to -- kind of the same thing everybody is saying. That bridge will not handle big trucks, cement trucks going over it. It's just a _~~>- little one lane bridge from a one lane road. So, that's impossible for that to happen. f "~"" And the comer is supposed to be getting done. We are on one side -- we had developers on one side of this, another developer behind us, and the city owns property behind that developer and, then, the Browning Plaza on the other side of us by the drain - ditch. The developers need to get together with the city, because they own that land, ~~ ~'~ and make a frontage road back there and it wouldn't affect any neighbors, there would ~~~a_{ ~`~~~' ~ be no trafFc. They just got to talk to the other developers and the city and do it. That overpass has been in, what, the 20 year plan, so, you know, things could change in 20 ~ `, years. So, that's all I got. Newton-Huckabay: Mr. Lee, are you referring to the Meridian overpass or Linder -- ;: -~ Lee: The Meridian overpass. It supposedly is going to be a big loop tee do, but it's not - x',tic'- -and no immediate plans, so it's way out in the future. But you'd have to talk with the other developers to use their land for a frontage road, but they should be having a ~-~_` ~ frontage road also, because they are developing right -- they already got a sign up there `''~~ ~ wanting businesses to come in there as soon as that comer's done. So, all the developers should be together and make a frontage road with the city through their F .~.~~ land. ~>, Newton-Huckabay: Thank you. No one else has signed up to testify. Is there anyone ~I else who would like to come forward? Please state your name and address. ~.,~<. :. ;~ ,: .f: `` ~ k' :' ~ ,~s~±:~~r~~ sy ~r ~y a ~ ~; x ~ ~~ ~ ~ i r a x i d+ -S M4 ~F~ A~~ N.~ ,,,, . . »? '. _ . .-~~ .. . ~ ,, ~~: ~j9~ - ~ t q~ ~ , ~`SFC~SI r~_ L f f .-A ~r ~ ~...Yyyy 1 1 ~ Y ~~ 7 ~ ~ w 7 ~utt ~~~ { S ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ r .. ~~ ~ } w - }. ~f ~. ~ , , ~ ~ I y { ~ ~ ~ ~ ! ~ a ~ i~(~~ ~ S ~ V .~~ '~~ ~ ~ ~f4 5 a ~Ll ~ y ~ ~i~ ' ' t S ~r ~ ~~~~ s 633j1 + ~ ~ ~V _ a: r ~ P YY ~ ~ ~ ~~~ ~ t ~ i, ~ ~ ~ i R_ , '. ~ '~ e ~E ~! it ~{ ~.~~I 4 ~ _ ~ $ FX k~ ~ ~~t d ~ y, ' f ~ ;_...., __ jt ~~ d - c ~ 1~ 1~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ , ~ ~ ~ v 5 ~ , y C , ~. ` ~~l il, y ~. y~x j11 C 44~ 1 ~i }~~i~ ~ 7 *Pa~yi; d ~ ~ ~. '~ I~ C _ y ' t T ' ~ ~ i 5 { ~ '< < tf Meridian Planning & Zoning • • March 20, 2008 Page 21 of 57 Larcher: Joe Larcher. 740 Waltman Lane. I was here, in fact, on February 12th -- or 21st, whenever it was, our last time we were talking about this. I am the own of the property where Corporate needs to go through and I remember Chairman David Moe `' saying make sure that I get involved in any Ada County Highway District meeting. wasn't involved. No one notified me. No one called. Knew nothing about the new proposals. Again, if they are going to build Corporate Drive, you think one person they ~~ want to talk to would be me and I have had no conversations whatsoever with anybody. And I just want to stress the concern on construction vehicles on Waltman Lane, the bridge -- again, we have had a few people say if they are going to bring construction '~` vehicles down there -- that bridge -- Steve Cooper lives across the street, 755 Waltman Lane, I think, he had to stop bringing his dump trucks down, because of the bridge r~ limitations, the weight limitations that are on that bridge. So, Ada County Highway ,'y' District should know what those weight limitations are. I think they are the ones that put the limitations on the bridge. So, construction vehicles over that bridge I don't think will be allowed by Ada County Highway District. So, I just wanted to state those concerns. Thanks. Newton-Huckabay: Thank you, Mr. Larcher. { Haddock: My name is Rob Haddock. I live at 650 Waltman Lane. It's I guess going to be the future corner there of Corporate and Waltman, that square shaped property. I ~--- have got a lot of the same concerns that have been addressed already. My major f~~` ~ concern is just opening up the road to the subdivision to the -- to the west. You know, if you do that you're going to get your car count whether you develop that property or not, i ~ 'I because the only way those people have to get out is through Linder right now. You know, if those people want to go shopping at Winco or Home Depot, you know, they are ''~i shooting up Waltman and like Donna mentioned earlier when that was open when they ~~~~' were building that subdivision, it was -- it was crazy. So, I think, you know, the only thing I agree with so far is that nobody knows the timing of this. I heard the Ten Mile ';~~7'~, exchange was going to be completed in 2007. You know, we are here in 2008, they ` haven't even begun. And so to -- you know, I think we are just premature on the whole thing. If the Waltman exchange was in, I think we'd have something to talk about. " '`"'', Where it's not, you know, I think this is all premature. Like Joe said, you know, no conversations on Corporate. So, you know, I see a lot of unanswered questions. I ~t'_;, haven't seen a development agreement. I'd like to be involved in that. Don't see a lot of ~' buffer or transition space. It s a concern. You know, right now we might have -- we is v~;ti;" ~ have got five neighbors west of me on a dead end lane. Talking 8,000 vehicle count, ~~~-° I you know, on a busy day we might see 20, you know. And so those are my concerns. ~,.;. _, The green light still -- oh, yellow. ;x. ~.li Newton-Huckabay: No, you're still -- Manifest Destiny here. f r;.~ ~~<j Haddock: But, anyway, there are probably other things I want to say, but that s all I can think of right now. And I think if the Ten Mile interchange did go in, you know, I'd like to ~~;~ see those -- that subdivision funneled through to Ten Mile and have that be their ~ i~ A~S~P ` ~ XI~ s. ~~~ ~~' ~~ ~~ f47 , ~~- ~c~ T.~t ~ £ , r ' ,1 ~ , .~: ~ t ~ ~ 1 ~- Y Y+ es5 0w~ ~ J.+ xiS ~1 ~ ry~~~ ll r~ ~d ~"~ 1 $' ~. ~ ~ ' ~ r'~ tF ~ ~~ 1 ~ t p~ ~f$+ ~ ~ .~ 'I~ ., vZ,..~ .,- ~ #. 1 w 5r'1 '# ~~ - , ~ ~5i~.p: y~~.j ~ ,,~. `y 4y ro - " ~~~~~~~~ 4r rog r ~ l 1,~ ~, y{ --1 r i r ~ ~~ ~Mk , K Y1 ~~. ~ Yy~l ~ ~ ,i= ~ ~~p m ~~~ Jib , ~~,. ~ r .~ 's ~-. ' ~ ~ a i' . ~ ~ f. 1~+ q~.q~ -. ti~ T r~. x ', d 3~° ...-. '~ ~. 2.. ,o- - t ..>~~~rn ~ ~ 3~~.~,r 'iy '~~~~ ~ '~ ~ ~ F k, "~.~ztr ~~ ~ ~~; ~ ' ' t s ti ~~~ti F ~ ~j5 1 ~ t y ~ t~ ~ a ti ~ .~ P~ ~ R '. -. ..`~~. ~ F ti. Meridian Planning & Zoning March 20, 2008 Page 22 of 57 secondary access, because, you know, even for the development I couldn't see, you know, businesses wanting that kind of residential traffic shooting through their businesses. So, from both sides I think that's a lose to connect that -- that subdivision entrance, so thank you for your time. Newton-Huckabay: Is there anyone else that would like to testify? Would the applicant like to rebut? Nickel: Thank you, Mr. -- or Madam Chair. Newton-Huckabay: It's your first time too, uh. '.;~~'~ Nickel: Sorry about that. And Commission. To address some of the concems of the neighbors -- and we do -- you know, we do want to work with them and assure them of a few things. First of all, the bridge will have to be built. That's one of the first things r-1' that's going to have to be rebuilt before we can bring, you know, heavy equipment ~`~ across the creek. So, that is something that will have to be taken care of as part of our - - part of that first phase of the -- of the infrastructure, when the infrastructure has to go in. And one thing to point out is that -- and, again, we do -- we do understand the concems of the neighbors, particularly over here. But also to point out that this property --~~ is zoned commercial. It is designated for commercial uses. So, not that they are going ~.~~ to be, you know, forcibly taken from their properties, but as this area develops per the -- ,, ~:~ per the city plan, there is going to be a change from residential to commercial. That's ?~x what the city has already established. And so I just want to point that out. And, again, ~:~ .. the intersection of -- this intersection right here has to be -- it's a condition and we have understood this from the very beginning, that that has to be built before we can start construction of any -- of any buildings, any structures on site. All we have asked for ~~~- though ACHD and through your staff is the allowance that once this starts building -- '' and we are probably not going to start our construction until this gets started, because ~~° that's the only time frame we can work on is -- you know, when we are going to have ~~ ' , i, this completed. Otherwise, we will sit there until that development is -- or until this ~,.;:, I r t; development -- or this construction is finished. And so we will plan on doing that when that construction is started. So, again, no construction of structures on our site or uses or additional traffic until that intersection is built. ,. .1 Newton-Huckaba : I think we can all a ree, Shawn, you have nothing to sell without ,,„yh_ ; Y 9 ~~-~' that intersection. ~' ~ Nickel: True. Which brings me to my next point. We understand the situation with `~`~' ~ ~~ Waltman and the fact of the matter is until Waltman gets approved -- I mean our future users are not going to want to have amulti-million dollar development with a goat trail leading back to it. So, we do understand and that's -- and I think that's why ACHD is helping us with the extraordinary impact fees, because we understand that Waltman is ~`~~~=I' going to be -- is going to need to be improved. We are doing it on the property that we :~ have control over. We have no control over the Waltman -- outside of our -- outside of our boundaries. There is a 50 foot right of way there now, but that's not enough for the ~,~r. ,- z 1,.@ i 2.q~C41 ~r. A ~ r . ,~ ~ - r _ ~' : ~ ' i I w c~: t ~.. ° 1 ~ fl- ~,rt ~: j t ~-_ ~ iu r ~ ~ ~~ ~ t ~ ~ ~ , ~ + ` } j r , ~~ ~ i ;? f. _~] i `Y 4 . ~~ 1 f• r e ~ } t _ 1 ~ t J S 4 1 L ll f I I d* . I +5 ,: f. ~; 1' T ~f " 7 5 ~2 , t i ~I li !` ~ ' . t 1 - f - F°~ i • . Meridian Planning & Zoning March 20, 2008 Page 23 of 57 ultimate improvements that you're going to see on Waltman and so that right there is `~'-' :~ oin to ham er some of that. But a ain we are confident that that is oin to be a 9 9 p 9 9 9 :~ :k ~~', _ ~ different looking road when we are -- when we are -- when we have got uses in there. . ~ And, again, just for clarification, the state owns this property, not the -- not the city. So, - ` n , the city has no control over this and we have seen or heard of several different s.~, " construction options for this property and, unfortunately, ITD, it could be 20 years out. But, eventually, they are going to do something and they are not going to want to buy r~_,:~ land -- develop land and tear things down to get their -- whether it's a -- whether it's a sweeping on-ramp or it's a cloverleaf of whatever, they have got plans and that's why '~~~`I, they have that property set aside. Regarding Mr.-- is it Larcher? I don't want to butcher ~~ your name. Sorry. We have met with Mr. Larcher one time, my client and I, early on and ACRD has every intentions of meeting with them once they figure out the ~~,~ : ~ extraordinary impact boundary and so he's not being purposely left out of any _ conversations, it's just that we have -- we are not to that point yet, so to clarify that. And, then, finally, the comment about connecting Ruddy Street -- this is Ruddy right ``'ti'`~ here coming out of the -- the subdivision. I mean that's a requirement that's being put upon this development. Trust me, if we could just block it off, we'd love to, because we 4w°~' ~ could completely redo our -- our site plan. But because of the development, because of '~~ ' the requirements of interconnectivity through the highway district and through the city, that is a requirement that we build that -- that connection to take it through our ~ ° i development. So, with that I will stand for any questions you have. Newton-Huckabay: Shawn, I have one. Mrs. Aldridge made acomment -- Mrs. Aldridge made a comment about the road improvements would run into her yard and her well. Can you clarify that? Nickel: I can't. I don't know where her well is. If it's -- if her well is in the right of way ':`~ right now -- °:~ ;~ .Y ' Newton-Huckabay: Is all of the right of way on the properly -- the development to improve -- the road you're going to be improving -- that will be improved on the Waltman -- the end of Waltman that you will be improving? 4.~`?~' Nickel: Yes. Is all our property. Y. ~` ``'' Newton-Huckabay: So, on your property. ~~ Nickel: Yes. From this -- from this point over is our property. `:~.: '.,; Newton-Huckabay: And there is also a 20 -- 1T•~ ~. °~_~~', Nickel: I believe their house is -- are you guys right here? Okay. Yeah. So, we have __~'~ no intentions right now of disturbing their wells or -- well or anything. ~~- ~_., `Y` '' Newton-Huckabay: Commissioner O'Brien. . _, ~t i ,;}_ ti,, .. , _.. M4 ;.: E ,i ~~ ,~;_> ;; ~ >; ,, ;„ _ > ,, s ~, ~ .~. M1y ',. ~~:rv 1 ~`._ F t. M 1 I .. - _ ~•~ . -. Meridian Planning & Zoning • • March 20, 2008 Page 24 of 57 O'Brien: I had a question, Madam Chair. Shawn. So, what would be a solution if there would be an impact on these -- on the residences disturbing their -- their property, their well, their yard -- I mean is it eminent domain or what? Nickel: Well -- I mean that's going to be up to ACHD and they have got a 50 foot right of way in place right now, so -- O'Brien: That goes into their property? Nickel: I believe they have some improvements that -- there is trees, there is probably - - Idon't know about your well, but those things will all be worked out. They are not -- ACHD is not just going to go in there -- or we are not just going to go in there and cut someone's well off and leave them high and dry. So, these are all things that will have to be worked out with the highway district within that existing right of way. Now, if ACHD at some point in the future wants to expand their right of way, that's something that they would -- they would do. =~ O'Brien: Okay. So, it's just -- I have a question for staff. What is the transition or what kind of transition is normally required between a build out like this at a residential area? I thought there was supposed to be more of an open space or more of a transition with light office somewhat more designated than what they have here. Wafters: Madam Chair, Commissioner O'Brien, Commissioners, the zoning ordinance requires a 25 foot wide landscape buffer to residential uses. The Comprehensive Plan does encourage, you know, a transition in uses -- you know, to residential uses and commercial properties. So, you know, we would prefer to have an office use as a buffer to residential use between a higher intense commercial use and the residential uses. O'Brien: Okay. Thank you. I have nothing more. x~; Nickel: And if I could elaborate on that. That is our intention as well and that's why I'm trying to build a set of conditions for those -- for those future uses on the west, because ~~r we want -- we want the same thing and we feel that if -- if you have got the same buffer, the same fencing requirement, you don't allow anything back in the back of those buildings like storage, trash compactors, loading, anything like that, that you could have ~`~`'~` retail uses or commercial uses on there that would be compatible like an office building ~ would. And whether that's done as a Conditional Use Permit, which if you look at that #;',~ list, a lot of those uses would be conditional use, therefore, it would still have to come `""`` back in for a Public Hearing. You guys would review those, at that time you could look at lighting, you can look at light whether a wall is needed, additional landscaping, you ~,t~:- know, look at lighting, things like that. So, we are not just asking for cart blanche, we ~« are asking for definite restrictions and we will abide by those, but we don't want to just :;_::.I flat out say, you know, no other uses besides office on that boundary, because we feel that we can make a compatible use over there. O'Brien: Okay. Thank you. c`h~ ~ ~ a~p ~l ~ '~d i _ Yr~ y^ y ~M3~'~'~~ frfi Z. ?" 5 4 ~_.~r. } :1 t 1 i S` .+ ~d C . ~; ? ] ~ y.. ~-i€ CA ~ j~~R'~f, '7 ~ I ~ 2~ { ~ ~~ ~ x . 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I move that we close the Public Hearing on AZ 06-063 and PP 08-001 and CUP 08-002 at this time. No? Did I get the wrong one? 3 Newton-Huckabay: No. You went one ahead. ~~~R~ Marshall: Sorry. Just the -- excuse me. Let me rephrase that. I move that we close t:~ , the Public Hearing on AZ 06-063 and PP 08-001. I will stop there. .K>~ O'Brien: Second. Newton-Huckabay: All those in favor? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. TWO ABSENT. ~~ Newton-Huckabay: Okay. Discussion? Marshall: Yes. ~: Newton-Huckabay: We have lots of issues. :~~~ <'> `~ Marshall: I have some thoughts and concerns. Namely dating back, number one -- first ~~, ~~_', one is to the Comprehensive Plan. This area is zoned commercial, it is going to go commercial. I -- and it should. It's in an area that is close to the downtown, close to the interstate. Eventually, as times change, this is something that the community over a long period of time has looked at and years developed that Comprehensive Plan and have decided that is a commercial -- that should be a commercial area. But, that being said, the Comprehensive Plan also alludes to transitional uses and I think we have ~~;_.i referred to that several times tonight. The transitional uses are to buffer incompatible `~` !, uses and we use terms incompatible uses because high intensity commercial uses are `~"`~~ ~ obtrusive to residences. They are not compatible. It's not in the best interest of the residences to have high intensity of traffic next door. So, even though this site is zoned r:~';a commercial, I still strongly feel there needs to be a transitional use between the residences both on the west and along the north, along here, and that transition, even ~`~'`~''i though not nearly the size I would like to see it, needs to be something there. And it ~'~t', r~• ate. ~;; ,~~ i :, * _ ,~ , t::, ;~.' r ~ _ x. . ~', L -_ ~ '' s ~ ~ _t r r.~ t S s'f T ~ ~ ~ a f. ,k- ++ : x 5 ~! t •~7 Meridian Planning & Zoning ~= ~ March 20, 2008 Page 26 of 57 >,',.-. ~- needs to be a lower intensity use. Therefore, the next step down is office -- office ~~" space. I don't believe that retail is an appropriate use next door to residences. I also have a concern with the hotel next door to residences. Now, I have heard some -- ~~.~~ some very persuasive discussion about -- from staff concerning a hotel next to an interstate, next to residences, but, again, I understand a hotel is not nearly as traffic intense as retail, but the time of the day that that traffic happens is at a time when you're '` ` at home. For the people living along here, even though they are very close to the interstate_ the interstate is a white noise. You -- vour reticular formation in your brain ~~` turns it off after awhile. You stop hearing it. Car doors, people yelling across the `~ parking lot, you got the kids, things like that, when they are traveling at 2:00 a.m. coming in, are things that alert the brain and wake you up in the middle of the night. c They are things that I don't want next door to me when I'm sleeping, when I'm eating _ dinner, when I'm trying to relax in the evening. That's why professional offices are appropriate to be next to residences, because they close up shop at 5:00 or 6:00 o'clock when I come home. When I come home to my -- my house they are leaving, so the place next door is quiet. Now, yeah, you're going to have higher intensity here fairly close by, but the buildings help buffer some of that sound. The distance and the buildings and things like that buffer that. And the fact that the interstate is close by, f~` white noise will stop some of that. So, I have serious concerns about any retail along _ that area and I have concerns about putting a hotel up against that area. I would like to see this area developed with -- with high quality commercial, but yet, again, I would r'~ think that we can move this and nut office soace along these areas and still move the hotel back over here in the intensity retail back up here where it's still somewhat visible ~~ to the interstate, still visible to Meridian Road, but still allows a buffer zone all along here ~_' ` of office. That's one concern I have. The other concern I have is infrastructure and Waltman Lane. I understand that this bridge will build out first. It has to or you can't ~~~~~ get in and even build this. But the traffic -- right now there is a traffic count on Waltman ` Lane of approximately 500 vehicle trips per day, according to Ada County Highway District. They say that this road is designed for 10,000 vehicle trips per day. I don't `~= ` necessarily agree with that, you know, I -- that's maximizing that road to absolute ' ` =3 potential. I mean you would have a significant amount of traffic through there. I believe , ~~ that infrastructure needs to be in place and especially both Waltman Lane and , z ~" ' Corporate Drive. Now, that -- this also needs to connect and part of the reason for the ~'~ ~ ' connectivity here is for emergency services. Both the fire department and EMS want `~` ;; , that. They want to be able to get into the back side of this subdivision. The idea that there are many ways out, many ways in, is a tenant of new urbanism and neo- ~* ' traditionalism that we are trying to embrace. That being said, that will significantly add ~ to the traffic count on Waltman Lane and I am very concerned that not only the traffic `'u~> . coming through here, which we are requiring, it needs to be there, it needs to -- we , .:;_~; ' need to have that connectivity, but that additional traffic, with the traffic generated from , this commercial development, I feel will overwhelm Waltman Lane immediately and „:~r~s` ~ without Waltman Lane built out and without Commercial Drive, I don't think the ~~~-~' ~~ infrastructure there is -- is there to support it. And one other more minor issue was that I I would have liked to have seen the bike path or the pathway here cross over the creek ~Y , ; and come down this side. If you're going to have a large retail facility here, I would like access to it without having to ride my bicycle or walk through the entire parking lot for a `k ~: ~~,; .1„ 1 ~ . ' u ` v ,~ 1 ' ~ _ ~."~; t ~ :,.~ t _~ . i s, ],EE ',`y~ 1 ' q i ~ t^~ ~~~ ~f~ ~ ~ t ~' ~~ ~~ 7 .~ a ~( k s t Y.. S€ Ir r : ~ , -<4' Meridian Planning & Zoning March 20, 2008 Page 27 of 57 quarter mile -- it's not a quarter mile, but a very significant distance. I'm not going to ride there with my bicycle and my kids or walk with my kids along the pathway to get there if I have to spend the last full portion of it through the parking lot and I would have liked to have seen -- even though this is now -- I understand that the city is expecting this to continue on the west side, I believe. But I would have -- on the east side. Yeah. Excuse me. Yes. The city is expecting to continue on the east side, but I would have liked the developer -- the applicant to have offered up an additional path along the east side. That's not a deal breaker to me, but I think that's good design. The issues I have are, number one, infrastructure and, two, the transitional uses. Those are my concerns. Newton-Huckabay: Commissioner Marshall, regarding the applicant's letter and their level on the bullet regarding square footage and build out square footage would be equal trips per day, do you have his specific opinion on whether you would stick with the city's 75,000 square feet if you're not -- do you want to take a position on that? Because we will need to address that -- unless you're going to vote against the property in its entirety, we need to address that. "~ ~ Marshall: I could not support the ACRD contention that this can support 8,000 vehicle '~`'~' trips per day. '`'~_`~~~ Newton-Huckabay: Okay. Would you support a compromise of 150,000 square feet of r ~-- ,-~ v build out or the city's 75,000? ~;~; . ~; fs~. { Marshall: Well, I would stick with the city's 75,000. Newton-Huckabay: Okay. Commissioner O'Blen. O'Brien: I agree with a lot of the things that Commissioner Marshall had mentioned. ~~'~, The two bullets I have are traffic -- control traffic and the transition. I don't particularly care for the layout myself. I think the hotel is in the wrong place. And maybe even the y~"~I! big box. Maybe it could be turned 90 degrees. I'm not sure how that would work. But "`'`~~!~ think we definitely need a better transition between this development and the residential area. Of course, I don't know -- if the hotel is built it has to be 200 feet further back ~~ an a from the existin buffer. So, that fives you something, if that's -- if that works ,, _< Yw Y 9 9 with -- with the city. I think that would be okay, but right now it shows it pretty close. r ~~`~ And was that correct, Sonya? w ~~ ,i Wafters: Madam Chair, Commissioner O'Brien, Commissioners. The condition reads ~~~ that a 24 foot wide setback -- or a 25 foot setback is required for the first story, a Y hundred foot setback is required for the second story, and a 200 foot setback is required for anything greater than two stories adjacent to existing residences. O'Brien: So, it looks to me like this -- this isn't shown or drawn 200 feet from that -- okay. Okay. Of course, that would interfere with that big box, too. So, I would think that there would have to be some redrawing here for -- for us to look at to see --forme, anyway, to see if this thing would work. As far as the congestion and traffic, I think in ~ , ~- a t: r ~ 33'' } ~ h t 7 ~ ~ R i L' '~ ~ _ r-u*,'+ti~ t t i. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ; n ~ e r f h. 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Maybe this is the wrong use for this, although the Comprehensive Plan says it's okay. Again, I think that the big problem is -- is the traffic and it's going to end up at -- mostly at Meridian -Waltman Lane at some point and I just don't know how it can be addressed. Those are my main concerns. I think -- Newton-Huckabay: Commissioner O'Brien, you don't think requiring the extension of Corporate Lane and no development until the Meridian Road -Waltman intersection is improved and a new bridge addresses any of the traffic concerns? O'Brien: I think -- my feeling is this: If they improve both of those -- the Corporate Drive and Waltman Lane all the way through without the development happening at all, it's going to be crowded. That's my feeling. I think it's going to be congested just with those. You add a development like this in there and I think you're going to compound it. Newton-Huckabay: Well, what would you put in there? O'Brien: I have no idea. know, it just doesn't seem comer somewhere and ~ particular corner. Baird: Madam Chair? Newton-Huckabay: Yes. ,~ Marshall: May I? But I think that putting -- get out of residential homes. I don't like it's -- I don't know. It just seems like it's way back in the ~e are creating a maze that maybe isn't the right fit for this Newton-Huckabay: Commissioner Marshall. ~~"Y Marshall: I do support this development. It's going commercial. It's going to be commercial. This is a proper use for it. What I don't support is retail in along the ~_ transitional areas and I don't support a build out until the infrastructure is there. If we can get the infrastructure there first, as staff has recommended, I would be supportive of building that. But the infrastructure I believe needs to be there first. So, I think 75,000 - ~'`" ,' I - I know that -- and Ikeep -- I harken back to the request for 150,000 and I -- I am not sure how many vehicle trips per day that would generate. I'm worried about that, ~ ~tll' because I know we are going to have a significant number coming from the subdivision ;~z ~. over here and if they were allowed the anchor tenant enough square footage to put in a .;-,': ~, the anchor tenant -- he's right, economically you have got to have somebody big to be '~'~''°' able to draw the other people in. I don't think a loop road -- I would love to see a loop ~;-: road, but I don't think it's feasible based on the ownerships and the properties that are <~~ ~ ' available. I would love to see it, but Idon't -- that's never going to happen. This property just will never build out then and as the city grows is a very appropriate use, as _. ~~.=; ; ~. °~{' ~x ti :~y~ ~~ ~q~x { 1 ~,l #F ~t r ,J F s .~` ~ ~ f 'T ~ ~ p ~ ,l R y 5 ` ttr ~~ ~1 7 ~~ - J Y rL tit ~ Y.' 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Again, we are beyond that. That's already -- we are already passed that. I still think the infrastructure needs to be there and if we can -- if we can say that the infrastructure is going to be there first, how much though, as in 75,000 and the request for 150,000, is going to give them one box store, the one big box. And they have got to have the tenant to pull the rest in. Can I -- we are not open for public discussion. Can I ask staff a question, Chairman -- Madam Chair? Newton-Huckabay: Ted, I forget the rules on that. Baird: I know the answer is yes. I'm just debating on whether we should open the -- the hearing, so that whatever is said is on the record, because once you close the hearing it's really for you deliberation. So, I would just encourage you to move to reopen the hearing and ask the question. ,<~ Newton-Huckabay: Okay. Can I -- I want to make one - ask a question of Commissioner Marshall. I just want to get my head around where we are going with a motion. You're in agreement with the staff report, with the exception of transitional uses ~ on the west and the east. "~~~= Marshall: West and north. ~. Newton-Huckabay: The west and north. ;:~.::: Marshall: Northwest and west. :: ~~ ~'`~' Newton-Huckabay: Northwest and west. Okay. And Commissioner O'Brien, you are not in support of the project at all? -~: O'Brien: No, I didn't say that. Newton-Huckabay: Okay. ,.~`~`'~' O'Brien: I said -- you know, if I had my druthers before this whole thing goes, I probably ~tF- would have said, okay, let's vote on this, I maybe wouldn't have voted on it, but I have to ~.,li agree with -- like I said, with the Comprehensive Plan, this is fine, this is a good use, ~-, `~`"~ ' and in answer to your question about the amount of build that could happen before the finishing of Corporate Drive and Waltman Lane and the intersection, I think those two ~~' things should be completed before any build out at all, just to make sure that we have ~;:~i covered all our bases here and we have a better understanding on what's going to 4 r'rk K r u h~~t ~ y t..~k s~~ P ~~,_ k ~ 1 ~~ +v. r. ::1 ..~~$jj ~ ~ - W' ~ ~~. Flc+ ~~':'w YMLLi ,f:~'., F --1'~ Meridian Planning & Zoning March 20, 2008 Page 30 of 57 r, happen. I don't know if that would make any difference or not, but (think -- I think it ~~ would cause undue duress I think if we went into -- if we didn't do that as far as getting it all built out first and try to -- to do all the other things that they need to do to build this. ~ti~y~ Newton-Huckabay: So, you're saying no development until Corporate Drive and Waltman are built out. O'Brien: Yes. That's what I'm saying. ~ Newton-Huckabay: Rather than the 75,000 square feet. Okay. I want to make a couple comments and, then, Commissioner Marshall, if you still have your question of "~~~~ staff we will reopen the Public Hearing at that time. I, myself, do not necessarily have an issue with retail uses along the western edge of this property. I think that a compromise of no traffic, trash compactors, and that type of thing on the west side is appropriate. I have gone through the list that the applicant has given us and I'll read a few of them for the benefit of the public of what would be permitted -- what they are ~'`~'~ proposing would be permitted uses and what they are proposing would be with ~~"~5' ~ conditional use permits. A Conditional Use Permit being, of course, they'd have to -~ ., come back in for a public hearing. Animal care facility. Artist studio. Arts and ~_~~ "° ~ entertainment and recreation facility indoors. A church. Let's see. Education, such as a private education institution. A bank. A health care or social service office. A hotel or ~:;,;;, motel would be with a Conditional Use Permit, as I read through this. A laundromat would be a permitted use. Personal or professional service. Public utility. Restaurants _~`` '~`{r would be by CUP only. A retail store on their list would be a permitted use. I think a ~~b' possible compromise would be that we could qualify a retail store as a Conditional Use ' Permit and that would have to come back through and give neighbors opportunity to ," comment on that. We have an overwhelming lack of representation of neighbors to the k,#, ~. °~~: west at the last two hearings that we have had on this to comment on what they would like to see there. One thing that always amazes me when these kind of developments ~<'i, come through is we make a broad assumption that the patrons of this are going to come from 60 miles away to trade at this facility. I mean anyone who -- who builds or opens ~'" their businesses here is going to be looking for those neighbors around them to support y~~' the business that they do, which in the general aspect of the city cuts down vehicle trips , ~ everywhere. It may increase them in your area. So, I mean there is -- there is some .,, ~: trade off there. You don't have to drive as far to go to the grocery store or the bakery or what have you. So, I mean there is -- there is some benefit to providing retail within walking distance of neighborhoods. So, to eliminate all use of retail on the -- on the h '°'~ west to northwest of this, I don't think it's appropriate. I think it's appropriate to give ;r;-.~;~ neighbors a comment, a method by which to comment on what will be going in and ',"^~'~ have their opinion heard. So, I would be in support of possibly any development being C ?7 .. ~~' subject to a Conditional Use Permit in there. That would be my stand on that. I guess I'd have to get the rest of your opinion on that. As far as the Corporate Drive ~~~ -_ extraordinary impact fee, I would say that we need to stick with the staff report on that. think that's a critical piece. Of course, the Waltman Lane build out is already in there. I I guess both of those are already in there. So, that would not change. The only other '"~` ~, question that the applicant is not in agreement with the staff report is the percentage of b. k ,~.... _. _. ;h .. Vii;' ~[ ~ Meridian Planning & Zoning • March 20, 2008 Page 31 of 57 build out that would be allowed prior to the Corporate Drive situation having to be resolved. I think that the Corporate Drive scenario is going to solve itself by design, because it's going to be very hard to market this piece of property without access to it. It was stated that 8,000 vehicle trips per day is approximately 267,000 square feet of commercial space. I think that 150,000 square feet of commercial space -- 125 to 150, I think that would be a fair compromise on that. But I -- it's not a deal breaker for me. I think that your -- like I said, you're going to have a hard time finding someone who wants to purchase and build on this if it's not desirable for them and access -- and access is huge for anybody who is building or opening a business and so I think that it's going to force -- it's going to force the issue to resolve access here. So, that said, I guess my only -- my change as a compromise would be I would suggest a CUP for all properties on the west and northwest, as a compromise between the developer and the city, so nothing could go in there. Hotels next to residential, I think that's something that the residents need to be able to comment on. Some people -- you can build a hotel with no windows on the side of the building that folks live on and that may be -- for some residents that may be more appropriate to them than having some type of retail facility next to them. I think -- I think it's inappropriate to make that decision at this point. A hotel may be an appropriate use. O'Brien: Madam Chair, regarding the CUP requirement, are you suggesting that's only for the retail applications or just -- and leaving out light office or -- right now it says light office and Ithink -- Newton-Huckabay: Right now, you know, it's zoned -- it's a C-G zone. Anything retail is a principally permitted use in a C-G zone. O'Brien: Okay. '~~ ., '_~ Newton-Huckabay: We could -- you know, the -- where is my notes? The applicant was recommending that we prohibit drive-thrus on the west and northwest, that they would - f~ there would be no bars, no one could be open after 10:00 p.m., and that a restaurant ,~;, ~, would be by CUP. So, we can either go with the CUP -- any business on the west that ~m `" was a principally permitted use in the C-G zone or we could go with any retail K~ establishment would be a CUP. ~~ `. O'Brien: Okay. ,s~~~ Newton-Huckabay: Would be our compromise. Commissioner Marshall, did you wish _;,: ;.' to reopen the Public Hearing and ask a question of staff? 3 ~`~y' Marshall: No. I think I recall an answer earlier that we don't know how to determine x~~, how many vehicle use trips per day that would generate and I think that's where my ` !~°~ ~~ comment was going was square footage to vehicle use trips per day based on square ~~-, footage and I don't believe we are going to be able to answer that. So, I think I'm going to have to make my best guess on that. +;, ~,. t, W~;~r i1 x. {'17K 1E pp. ~, y, 7'`~ `x" P ( z r ~ ~~~° ~. ~ a_r fl ~ ~¢ ~xa ~4 } ~ ~~~~ ~y'~~ti .~ ~__~ ;{ _i ,, ~ ~ ~k ~5 yFj, ~ V '^ T it n 7?'~ ~~;+ qr. Saw,. ~' ~ 3 ~a 9 r ;~ t~, ` ~ - a f ~~~~"~ s~ `" ~ ~ ~ ~~ {Ij ~~j y~ i *~l1f ~r f 1 ~L {~ 12w{ 14~'1f' 1 :i~ Meridian Planning & Zoning March 20, 2008 Page 32 of 57 Newton-Huckabay: Well, I think vehicle trips per day is a statistic, so based on your faith in a statistic you will have to go as square foot -- square footage build out is an actual data point that could be easily determined. Marshall: Well, my point being -- my point being that we were concerned about the vehicle trips a day and that we cannot correlate an exact ratio between the square footage and the numbers that that generates and that's -- Newton-Huckabay: But we are estimating this entire -- this entire property to be approximately 320,000 square feet of commercial space. 300,000. 400,000 square feet of commercial space. So, 75,000 square feet is a small portion of that. Eighty percent. Marshall: Right. My consideration being 75 or 150. Not 80 percent. I'm not even °' considering 80 percent at this time. And I'm thinking between 75 and 150. Right now ~''. it's staffs recommendation of 75,000 square foot. Mr. Nickels made the comment that 150,000 would at least allow them to get an anchor store in there, which I agree, you're ~_~` probably not going to get a lot of small tenants in there without a big draw ticket in there. `_ I agree that a big draw ticket is going to want Corporate Drive finished out, but, then, again, they could -- if they -- things happen and if it's not finished out, I am very ' concerned of going beyond that, because you're going to have -- you're going to create ~,,.~ a significant number of vehicle trips per day simply by putting that road through and, ~{~*4;, then, you're going to add to that significantly with a large anchor store. How do we determine how many vehicles trips per day that creates? We can't. I would like to see ' ` this area developed in a manner that is as least obtrusive to the neighbors as we can, `- ~Y-, i but still allow the development. It needs to go commercial. I'd like to see anice -- think it's good for the city to see a good commercial development go in here. It's an appropriate location, as we have determined over time, so -- 1 Newton-Huckabay: Commissioner Marshall? :~~;> ~ Marshall: -- again, I'm struggling with the 150,000 versus 75,000 square footage are t e F`'> two numbers that I've heard and I'm still in my mind grappling with the retail ~' ~" establishments -- a Conditional Use Permit could be acceptable -- Newton-Huckabay: We are going to have to -- we are going to have to -- Marshall: Make a decision. Newton-Huckabay: You're going to have to just jump in. f ,. Marshall: Yeah. ~~ Newton-Huckabay: Yeah. We are going to have to make a recommendation. f ~<<„ ~,; Meridian Planning & Zoning March 20, 2008 Page 33 of 57 O'Brien: I'm in favor of 150 minimum for -- to start with on this. I think we do have to have a number somewhere. I think everything else would be just a guess anyway, so -- Newton-Huckabay: Okay. What about -- then, the only thing left on the table we are going to have to make a call on is the west and northwest uses. O'Brien: They only show two buildings there right now on the west side. But, of course, that's -- we don't know what retailer or whatever is going to be going in there. Maybe we limit it to just one retail and the rest light office. I don't know if that would satisfy the applicant or not. As far as the north side, I don't have a problem with what is designated right now by staff. Newton-Huckabay: Well, as the chair -- in normal circumstances I would make the motion at this point, but I don't believe I can. "~~ Marshall: Okay. So, I'll take a stab at it. All right. Appreciate your patience with me. ~:r I'm pretty new at this, so -- okay. After considering all staff, applicant, and public testimony, I move to recommend approval to the City Council of file numbers AZ 06-063 `~'~ and PP 08-001, as presented in the staff report for the hearing date of March 20th, ~~ 2008, with the following modifications: First, that a CUP be required for all uses on the „;; northwest and west edges of the property and that buildable space be limited to ~~~~ ~ 150,000 square foot until such time as both the intersection of Waltman Lane is finished, the bridge at Waltman Lane is finished, and Corporate Drive is extended. Does that cover it? ~t~,{' Newton-Huckabay: I think the intersection at Waltman Lane and Meridian was -- is a "`~~ condition of the entire project. So, it's redundant, I think. Just -- Ted will that have an issue? T ~~ Baird: Madam Chair, I don't believe so. ~, Newton-Huckabay: Okay. •.,t, 4 i~ i Marshall: Okay. So, I'd say end of motion. ~~<~ ?t. Baird: End of motion. ~~-.t'' Marshall: End of motion. ~, ~<<~~I Wafters: Excuse me, Madam Chair, Commissioner Marshall, can I clarify your motion. Did you mean to require Conditional Use Permit for office uses along the west boundary ~.~~ and northwest comer? Marshall: No, not office uses. Thank you. Thank you. How can I go back and clarify this. A R J „y ~,+"~~~P~f s ~;:. ~,' } 5 - 7^ •Y. ;> A~ ~ .i ; 3 ~~ ~ f ~ ~~ l } t ~.: _ t~. r+:.~. i Meridian Planning & Zoning March 20, 2008 Page 34 of 57 Newton-Huckabay: You can restate your motion. I think our options here -- in my opinion the only thing that is at question is a retail use or a restaurant use. The applicant is offering up to -- I think we should accept their recommendation of prohibiting drive-thrus, drinking establishments, and businesses with hours of operation exceeding 10:00 p.m. and that restaurants or food establishments can be allowed through a Conditional Use Permit. That no rear loading areas, delivery areas, trash areas, or obtrusive lighting would be allowed. Additional -- and, additionally, retail uses would be allowed through Conditional Use Permit. Marshall: Thank you. Yes. Newton-Huckabay: And to qualify as the hotel or motel -- Marshall: Thank you for the help. I appreciate that. Newton-Huckabay: Does that help? Marshall: Let me try this again. Okay. Yes. Okay. Can I start over with the -- do need to start over at the beginning? ,. fix! Newton-Huckabay: Yes. ;: kr ~r Marshall: Okay. Start over at the beginning. After considering all staff, applicant, an `" public testimony, I moved to recommend approval to the City Council of file numbers AZ r.. k ','L' 06-063 and PP 08-001 as presented in the staff report for the hearing date of March 20th, 2008, will the following modifications: Concerning the properties on the northwest and west edge of the property, limit uses to allow some retail along the western and em boundaries. Prohibited uses would be drive-thrus and drinking establishments north f,~' and businesses with hours of operation exceeding 10:00 p.m. Restaurants -- Newton-Huckabay: Would not be allowed. r,,,. Marshall: I'm song? s ~~ Newton-Huckabay: Would not be allowed. I'~ "`x'~ Marshall: Would not be allowed. That's prohibited. And businesses with hours of operation exceeding 10:00 p.m. Restaurants or food establishments could be allowed ~~ :~ ~ through a Conditional Use Permit. I would like to say all retail establishments -- r Newton-Huckabay: Would require a conditional use. Marshall: Would require a Conditional Use Permit. No rear loading areas, delivery areas, trash areas, or obtrusive lighting would be allowed. Additional restrictive uses could also be listed -- oh. Including that construction be limited to 150,000 square foot, until such time as Corporate Drive is extended through. End of motion. ~~~~ T ~.., 5"C~RMi~G' - - ... ~ y~ q 't }~f ~ 1 d ~~ 4tk; . h ~~P~f r ~ ~. 9 a ? B ~~ r ~' ~~1 r t y ~ r y ,~~ G 3 i - f ri_ Gt ~k C t t 1` {::_, y ~i_ '. ' F 2 Meridian Planning & Zoning ® • March 20, 2008 Page 35 of 57 Newton-Huckabay: Sonya, are we clear there? Wafters: I believe so. Newton-Huckabay: Okay. O'Brien: Second. ~" Newton-Huckabay: All in favor? opposed? Motion carries. `;,~ MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. TWO ABSENT. ;u~ ~~~ Newton-Huckabay: Okay. That's the end of that hearing. ~y `r`'= ` O'Brien: Can we take five? ~:; ,' ~, ~--' Newton-Huckabay: Yeah. We will take a ten minute break. ~; (Recess.) yrp::.~~~'. Item 9: Continued Public Hearing from March 6, 2008: CUP 08-002 Request -~ for Conditional Use Permit for a drive through establishment in a C-G zone __; ~~~' within 300 feet of another drive through facility for Sonic Southern ~~;~,~ I Springs by Boise Food Service -1870 South Meridian Road: .4t.~ ~.;~~ , =; `~' Newton-Huckabay: I m going to open the Public Hearing on CUP 08-002, request for a w~" "~~ Conditional Use Permit for adrive-thru establishment in a C-G zone within 300 feet of ~~~~.~= another drive-thru facility for Sonic Southem Springs by Boise Food Service at 1870 :1 South Meridian Road. Take staff. Parsons: Thank you, Madam Chair Person, Members of the Commission. The application before you tonight is a Conditional Use Permit to allow adrive-thru establishment within 300 feet of another drive-thru establishment and existing residential zoning district. Design review approval is also requested for the purpose -- for the proposed structure and site, because of its location adjacent to an entryway corridor Meridian Road. The subject site is located on Lot 11, Block 1, of Southem Springs Subdivision No. 2 near the southeast comer of Meridian Road and Overland Road. The property is bordered on the north by Southem Springs No. 1 and No. 2, zoned C-G and L-O. To the east is Running Brook Estates, zoned R-4. To the south is Southem Springs No. 2 and 3, zoned C-G. And to the west is Elk Run Subdivision, zoned R-8. One thing -- I'll move to the site plan -- or the aerial here. You can see -- it's kind of an old picture, but directly to the north there are -- those are where the adjacent drive-thru windows are for the other businesses. So, apologize for that. This lot and this lot here. And, then, here is your residential subdivisions. One other thing I'd like to point out is this is -- staff got this revised site plan on Tuesday and I did transmit ,_ ~~R .r Y ~., 't !'j.,"'. _.~ ;:y %`~ ~' F, ~ r .'; 7~ y ~k ~ } t~r~ -._ ~~ k x ;`: - ;. ~~ ~ ~` .~,;~: ~. ,' ~~~ _~. - Meridian Planning ~ Zoning March 20, 2008 Page 36 of 57 `~" that to the clerk, so, hopefully, you did receive that in your packet. I believe when I sent out the memo earlier on Monday to the clerk I had mentioned that this landscape island ~~ had been removed. Well, with this most recent site plan the applicant has put that back in. And the applicant is proposing to construct a new 1,526 square foot Sonic drive-thru `;` ; restaurant on the subject property. Twenty-one parking stalls are provided on site with , 17 of the stalls proposed for drive-up ordering or vehicle dining and the four remaining ``: } stalls are for patrons who wish to eat at the patio area. Access to the site is taken from _ ~~ a private intemal driveway east of Meridian Road and extends north to Overland Road and South to East Calderwood Drive. So, basically, here is Meridian Road. Here is where the access comes into the development and along -- running along east -- I =;t guess I'll go back one slide. Along the east -- or north-south and east of Meridian Road and, then, at one point it exits onto Overland Road and the other one is -- here is where :~~ East Calderwood Drive is. The applicant is proposing hours of operation from 6:00 a.m. ~, to 11:00 p.m., Monday through Thursday, and 6:00 a.m. to 12:00 a.m. Friday through Sunday. Other drive-thru businesses in the Southern Springs development are r`~. restricted to the hours of 6:00 a.m. and 10:00 p.m. to help alleviate the effects of noise, '_h traffic, odors, glare and other nuisances created by the businesses to the adjacent residential properties. Staff recommends hours of operations to be limited to the same ~~''~ hours as the other drive-thru businesses in the development. That applicant has ': submitted a landscape plan with this application. The street buffer landscaping along '~ Meridian Road was reviewed and approved with the final plat for Southern Springs °':- - Subdivision No. 2. Staff has reviewed the intemal parking lot landscaping depicted on , '~ = the landscape plan and found it -- and finds it substantially complies with the ~`:~ landscaping requirements in the UDC. Although adrive-thru restaurant may be an ~- appropriate use for this site, staff has major issues with this site design and building elevations that are currently proposed. Meridian Road is a main thoroughfare and is designated an entryway corridor in the City of Meridian and lends itself to opportunities for high quality architecture and site design. However, the applicant is proposing to orient the subject building with the rear elevation facing Meridian Road. The rear elevation does not comply with the design review standards for buildings adjacent to an ~~rt, ' ` entryway corridor. Further, there are covered car hop carport structures proposed ~,r,~ adjacent to Meridian Road that staff believes are not appropriate next to an entryway f:~ corridor. Because the site plan and elevations do not comply with all the design review guidelines, staff believes the applicant should redesign the site and go -- kind of go back to that site plan. Here are those covered carports we were talking about, the parking ,,{~:~ stalls. You can see here is Meridian Road again, you know, trash enclosures. This ~;?`' actually protrudes out farther than the proposed building again. Staff does have ,., concerns with this rear elevation. Here is where their seating area is going to be h ~_° proposed, so, again, it's not fronting on Meridian Road as the design review standards ~.,., ~`~~~` ` require. Here are the previous elevations. Just -- as you can see here is the front of the building here. Again, you see the arched canopies. This is where the applicant -- the ~~~~:~~ patrons would be sitting. Here is the rear of the building. Not much modulation or variation in the facade there. Very plain walls. Again, you have the doorways, you have ''~~*'~ the electrical paneling there that you can view from -- again, this is all from Meridian ~-1 Road. The applicant has revised the elevations on the site and -- excuse me -- they are proposing to add ascreen -- proposing to screen the back of the building with a nine ;r ~~. ~J ~,~. ` :r .*:... '. 1.4~ ~f + 1- ' ~ti Y ~. y ~ r. 4 ;.. Y, ~ c ~. ~ r f `~ ~~, , ,.=':_i t~ .x~~ ' - ~. ~~ -. Meridian Planning & Zoning March 20, 2008 Page 37 of 57 ~;~ foot wall. The applicant is -- the wall is approximately six feet from the back of the building between the material -- between the building and the drive-thru speaker box. The wall is proposed to be constructed of the same building materials, i.e., the concrete ~T paneling. Also on the proposed -- also on the proposed wall -- screen wall there are two post display boards. So, basically, what the applicant is proposing is here is the wall ,x~ that they are adding. It's not really part of the building, it's just more as a screening feature, rather than adding really design elements to the back of the buildings. These are the menu board, medallions that I'm speaking of. They are also proposing to place two of those on that wall as well. The applicant is also proposing a detached arch decor canopy on the west elevation, similar to the west canopy featured in the front facade. ~; Included on the revised elevations is a half rounded facia added to the north, south, and ~;t. east that adds to the parapet variation and screens the roof top mechanical equipment. The applicant has made some significant changes to the elevations requested by staff, r -- however, staff would prefer the front facade face Meridian Road, not the internal private :; drive aisle. So, again, if I can go back to these other elevations, they have added -- this is where they have added facia on the new elevations and, then, I'll step back. You can see here it's -- it's hard to see on these elevations, but you can see it kind of popping out there. You can see that facia added here. And the one thing they failed on with ~tih their previous elevations to show us, too, was that the canopy for the parking structures ..,_ weren't added onto those elevations. So, they have added -- that's what those dashed lines is, basically, these are those parking stalls that you pull up and that the patrons can order from their vehicle and waitresses come out and take their orders. So, you can see there is some modulation, some change, but if those canopies were removed '" you'd basically have a rectangle box on Meridian Road. Again, the applicant had made some improvements to the elevations and site plan for the site. Staff feels -- still has concerns with the rear elevations fronting on Meridian Road. Staff recommends that the '~ applicant comply with all the provisions listed in the staff report -- the previous staff report. And that concludes my presentation and I stand for any questions. Newton-Huckabay: Thanks, Bill. Marshall: Madam Chair, I have a question. Newton-Huckabay: Commissioner Marshall. Marshall: Bill, let me figure out in my mind about this, but if the entire -- if we went back `~-v~ to the site there. If this entire site were turned 180 degrees, how many of the issues does that address? r':5.` a~'i Parsons: Madam Chair, Members of the Commission, I know, basically, from talking with the applicant there are quite a few constraints on the site as far as easements and F;~- -~ those things. I'm not sure where they are located on the site. They would have more of that information. So, if you wouldn't mind, I'd like to have them address that or ask them ~ A~!, that question and see what issues are there and I know they have tried to do that, but `~ don't know why it doesn't work. So, I'd much prefer have them address that, so that they -- they know the site better as far as those kind of constraints. :~ Meridian Planning & Zoning March 20, 2008 Page 38 of 57 Marshall: My question, though, is to your -- would that address your concerns. Parsons: Correct. Marshall: It would. Okay. Parsons: If this building would -- if this building would flip and have the seating area facing on Meridian Road, staff would like that a lot better. Marshall: And the parking here would be over on this side? Parsons: No. That could stay. I mean our major concern is really that rear of that ~~ building fronting on a major entry -- major thoroughfare and with no -- and with what the ~A:: applicant's proposing with just a screened wall and a detached arch canopy, that's not really addressing the back facade, it's just acting as a screen tool, rather than actually addressing the rear facade. Marshall: Thank you, Bill. X%`~- ~: ~ Parsons: You're welcome. k'i ~;;~ . `~```~ ~I Newton-Huckabay: Commissioner O'Brien. t ,~ ~ O'Brien: Yeah. Madam Chair. Bill, I agree with the -- the issues with the electrical panels in the back of the building there. I have comment about that. We are not being '~~`~ very consistent, because less than 50 yards away there is a building they are just finishing which the whole side panel or wall of that thing is full of electrical panels that are just painted over. I don't know -- I don't remember that going through us, but there w:; ~.: ~~"~'' seems to be some inconsistencies with what we look at here. Rte- , '~ ~'' Hood: Commissioners, I'm not exactly sure which building. I know there are a couple of buildings, one that actually went through design review and one of our planners got east and west confused, so looked at the front elevation and thought it was facing Meridian Road and, in fact, it was the back of the building. The other one you may be referring to I'm not quite sure the history on it or how it got approved, but -- 6:~` O'Brien: It's on the same side as this, just a little ways further south and the electrical '~~' panels are facing north or are on the north side of the building. `y" Hood: Yeah. I know of at least one out here on Meridian Road, so two wrongs don't make a right. So, I don't know all the reasons, but I think the planning department, I think, let one or two or maybe even more go through the process without being reviewed for consistency with design review. ~ ~~~ ,~+ iM il ~~ , a f~r Vi~cc. , - - p fd4+~7'~4• , ~~ '\ Y t J( ~a '3 1~ ~ .~, f4~ h~ /~~~5'~'~p ~.y. 77 [' '} ~~~\~ i {rC~[ ~ ' A* ~~ro r } i 1-# ~B ~. s 4 , i ~ a '~"` „ w '''ai~ '~4r ar~~ ~ roi ~ F k ^a ~ ' t+~~fZfi ~;~ ~F 4 .F 3 .. ?t Y ~ r s'}=k; d . ~ r ~ ~ • ~~41 1~ ~f~ t: sb ~~` , p i. ~ ~ ~ i^ N ~~~ ~.~~ ~ ~ ~; tiu 1~..,jL x i.. C ~ 4.. 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Newton-Huckabay: Would the applicant like to come forward. Thompson: Good evening, Madam Chair, Commissioners. My name is Joe Thompson, I am with BRS Architects. I'm representing Boise Food Service. I guess we can start by addressing the concerns that are on the last memorandum -- memorandum that I got from Bill Parsons, dated March 17th, 2008. I'm assuming that these are the outstanding items that staff had. Okay. I guess we could start off with let me describe the area first. He said he wanted you guys to ask me about that. Do we have a little laser pointer here? What we have -- we have about 34,800 square feet of area in this lot. Due to easements, setbacks, you know, the usual stuff you have to run into when you develop a site, we end up with about 19,400 square feet that's usable, which means about 56 percent of that property can be used. And here are the easements. We got something coming along here and we have an easement along here and, then, like this and I believe it jumps over one more time and, then, we have the shared access. And, of course, we have all the property and the setbacks -- the existing setback for the development. And what's happening with this site -- well, first off, we want safety. Okay. We got vehicles that are coming in here. We don't want them to have to come in this way and we really want them coming in here, so we are not kind of looping -- you know, looping back on ourselves. So, what you're doing is doubling up the traffic up here. So, bringing them in this way. And as you know in America we drive with the driver on the left side and the driver is usually the one that accesses the drive-thru window. So, we are bringing them in through here and, then, the loop right on around here and that's -- that's where you are at right there. Now, as far as this island, why we removed it initially was there was a question about fire apparatus accessing it, they need a 20 foot width of clear and something about SSC needing that same access. We talked with Joe Silva down at the fire department. He said -- or he agreed with us that when they come in they can access part of -- within a 150 feet of any part of this building can park their apparatus here, here, or they can come in here if they have to or they can access from here. And he agreed that they can access all parts of the building. So, he had no constraints on this 20 foot width. So, that brought us back to SSC and we had a dialogue with them and explained our situation, showed the site plan, slowed this width, and he give us an approval letter -- I don't know if you guys have a copy of that, but we do have that stamped and signed showing that he approved this with a 15 foot right here. Okay. Also, as far as the orientation of the building, I know that -- I caught a catch phrase on the previous hearing about new urbanism and . ~ ~~ ._ ~: Meridian Planning & Zoning x March 20, 2008 Page 40 of 57 that is really the catch phrase in this whole area. You're really seeing it in Boise and ~'~~~ Eagle and you guys are having that in Meridian as well. What you got to decide is a.. »~ what's the front of the building, where is the pedestrian coming in, where do you want the -- where do you want to cater to these pedestrians. Well, with this site we have got - ~, "`` - we have got Nampa-Meridian Road -- or not Nampa-Meridian, but Kuna-Meridian - Road right here. A high volume of traffic, really uncomfortable, really, to walk next to and that's why we have got the meandering sidewalks and landscaping and such. But ~4 for this particular development -- can staff go back to the overall -- right there. That will work. We have got -- as part of this development we had to have a walkway along here and, really, that services this property -- or this area and this area. And this is our property. And what we have decided is with the site constraints we had, the safety as r ~ far as the traffic, we felt, well, normally we'd like to face this -- this -- you know, the front ~` ~`' onto this road. Well, let's go ahead and achieve that new urban kind of process and put , I the seating up here and really cater to the people that are in the development and 4 ~ ` ' consider that our front. We a reed with staff that -- can you go back to the -- there we g ~,;~,,. go. We agreed with staff that, yeah, we don't want this there. We saw what was „~:~, happening down the road, as Commissioner O'Brien brought up, so we went ahead and N;, attempted to make this rear elevation look like the front. We went so far as to take this ,. , I element and put it in the back. We noticed we had the meters there, so we took the rest ``` ~ of this -- this building material, the plaques and all the ornamentations we had on there ?~~~.,: I - and put it on a screen wall there. And, then, on top of that, the canopy that we have ~z ' we placed that there. So, as far as a person -- here that kind of tended a look of Sonic --.e~' , an uninformed person driving along the road here, they are going to see that, they are going to see these features and they are going to look just like what we have up here, r ~ minus the seating. These canopies right here, there was a comment brought up that ~:'~ this is really just a box without these canopies. Well, these canopies are part of Sonic, they aren't going to remove those. That is their -- their theme. That is how they work. ~~~~:~~' They have -- it's a car hop, you drive in just like the old retro'50s style type of thing. So, ''~ '' as far as a look, the material, all of that is -- they are trying to achieve that. That's what ~ ''`_ makes them stand out. And I know there was another comment brought about before in . ~='~'`~; staff about trying to make the materials match with the rest of the subdivision. Well, this .~ is not compatible. This is a modem -- more modern looking -- or at least what they '~ : considered back in the '50s to be a modem type style. And, really, I think it will lend to the area. People recognize Sonic and they know -- know what it is. And, lastly, regarding the hours of operation, this development is 6:00 to 10:00. What Sonic ~s-- normally has is during the summer months -- that would be between, oh, May and September, they like to run from 6:00 to 12:00, which is a two hour -- two hour increase. A little bit later. But what we are looking at his -- if you could go back to the overall °~~~ again. We have got this development right here, we have got a commercial here, we Y. have got 200 plus feet before we hit any type of residential. We have a huge buffer, a ~~~'~ ditch, trees -- I feel that the smells and the odors, the noise and lights from -- you know, ? the noise -- or the lighting from the cars coming into this place, they are going to be °~~ . ~> overshadowed by the traffic that you may have there, because I can guarantee that you ; : . ;.. "~ can have more traffic here than you have coming into here. Just -- it's just how Meridian Road is. It's become one of the busiest roads in the valley and I can confess -- attest to ~x t~ p~~ { .?.#.-awl y tl .€'2 _ ~ 1 "' V~r~{ ~ ~* : 1,_ ~ )} ~~ ~- ifi f' ~ ~ ~ Kx ~~~ ~, t ~ s' G 1' '. ` ~: r ~A_ ~ ~r i 4d~-t ~ ~ ~iY I M~~' ~' ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~'M . ~ .~ ~< ~~ } -:. ~. t ~; ~ A F y i~~'~ _ i' F} tif-4 & ~ ~ '~ ` i Ifi ~+' a ' x y s ~/1 S f ~ 1 ~ r ~ ~,~ arfj t d ~ f~ ~ r I ~ i ~ x k ~ T'+t 1 ~q~ ,. h_ : ,i 7 x ~ - .~1 a.SryYi"~¢ j=; 7y' ,~ y~£ f ~ <- ~ ) > : ` ~ a •~ K ~ (~ ~" - 6` 's . x r ~ ~ ~ ~ r~, ~ ,~ ~ ~' a > y c, ~.. , h { 1, ~ ~~~, } 1 C( { 5 1 '~F'~i .~y F. ~ y ''a i wF y ,'~, ~ 7 ~. ~ e f'.~ ~~`" Meridian Planning 8 Zoning • • March 20, 2008 Page 41 of 57 ~. that, because I used to commute down it. Anyways, that's about all I have and I'll stand for any questions. Newton-Huckabay: Mr. Thompson? Thompson: Uh-huh. Newton-Huckabay: Is this building similar or the same as the Sonic recently built out in Nampa near the Costco development? Is it the same architectural design? Thompson: They should be pretty similar. It's their -- their kind of theme. The metallic type of sheen and, then, the colors they use, yes. Newton-Huckabay: The one in Nampa looks substantially different than the one -- the current Sonic in Meridian and that's what -- I was just curious. It's the same? Thompson: Okay. He's going to jump in there. `;_ ~, Newton-Huckabay: Okay. f ~; c r O'Brien: I have a question, Madam Chair. Mr. Thompson, did you hold any neighborhood meetings regarding this operation with the people that are close in the ~~~'~ residential area? ;~.~ Thompson: Yes. Yes. That was a requirement, that within 300 feet, and we had a ~'~`' neighborhood meeting at -- actually, just north of there at the -- one of the buildings in j- this development. So, we were able to discuss and point -- you know and show where . v, ,, things were going to be. '-` ~ ' O'Brien: I don't know if -- can comment, but was it relatively positive? rs k Thompson: Well, there was a few people there and it's -- it was pretty much the usual that you run into when you have a commercial development near a neighborhood. They are worried about noise, lights, smells. And, really, the location we are at, the noise and ;:._~ the lights are going to be no different than what you have on the -- you know, the ~~~,_:. 4~'~```~ Nampa-Meridian Road and the distance that we have -- we have another commercial .~ property right in between another private road and, then, we have this -- this project. ~~~~'~ So, really, it's not going to be that intrusive. ~; ,. O'Brien: Thank you. I have no further -- ~` ~~ Marshall: Madam Chair, I do have a question. So, the reason for not turning this 180 is =~:~ because you want to face in? ~:' s ~ Thompson: No. That was more of a compromise. We would have liked to, you know, P+~~"v'~ had it face the normal way. I mean we wanted to appease staff and Meridian -- the City r.'4"... :... .Y 'r,. 1 P b , ;, ;,;~ F T r, i. . ,," }, i t '~ ~ ~ Y. f F 4 r. E ~ S. . r 4 .Y ~ ty h Meridian Planning 8 Zoning March 20, 2008 Page 42 of 57 of Meridian, but it really came down to the size of the site, the traffic flow, and how a drive-thru works, you know, where you're on the left side and how you approach a building. And with easements we had in place to try and flip that around, it would have seriously -- it would not have worked. At least the site plans we ran through with it, trying to keep a similar number of stalls, the same accesses, the shared easement and even so far as this easement here helps -- as a shared access, helps widen -- effectively widen the site and, then, the least amount of easement was right in this area right here where it kind of widened as we came through here. Marshall: So, you're saying that you can't shift the building back this way, placing the seating at this end and just flip it within this box, placing the drive-thru on the side. If that makes any sense. Thompson: Yeah. We would have had to move this -- these canopies over to here -- I'm trying to think how it would work. I mean we have got it drawn up, we just could not get it to work. Marshall: Okay. O'Brien: Just one other question, Madam Chair. ~'~ Newton-Huckabay: Uh-huh. O'Brien: So, the people coming in from -- or heading north on Meridian Road, they want ~`'` to have a sandwich, so they access the road -- I don't remember what the name of the road was. This here. And they come in here, so is there another road? I don't remember the other access to go back on Meridian Road they have to go back out -- "`~~ Thompson: We have an office -- a little area right here. This is shared access with their parking area. You come out through here, you can either go this way, come back out here or you can go all the way down -- there is another road down here. Or you can ~ take this on up and it kind of curves back over to Overland. r O'Brien: I remember that part. Okay. Thank you. Newton-Huckabay: Okay. We will take public testimony now. Thanks. Thompson: Thank you. Parsons: Madam Chair? Newton-Huckabay: Yes, sir. .: . ~.~,~,' Parsons: One thing I failed to mention, too. Staff did get a letter of opposition regarding the project. I failed to mention that. It was from a Blaine and Mary Jane Bennett in u, h~ opposition of the project. F g; ~ _ "' ~ ,4y~i7f ,1' ~ ~~ t .;~ ,:, ~'',v.,x r.. ~t_, + zn-t , . ' Y ~~.r ~ - a ry ~`~ :'.i '~ Meridian Planning & Zoning March 20, 2008 Page 43 of 57 Newton-H uckabay: Okay. Parsons: You should have that in your packet. Newton-Huckabay: I had two or three of them in -- in here, I believe, so -- the two people I have to testify both are in favor of the project. Is there anyone in the audience who is against or neutral that would like to testify first? Okay. Skip Hofferber. Hofferber: Madam Chairman and Commissioners. I'm Skip Hofferber, I'm the president "" of Boise Food Service. P.O. Box 8986, Boise, Idaho. And we do have -- I think there ~'~ was a couple things -- Mr. Parsons said -- I think this is our fifth store that does not set perpendicular to the street. Our Caldwell store, the one under construction in Nampa, this one, and the Treasure Valley Store at Costco, the one you spoke of. They all are ~'= addressing what you're saying the metallic or look or whatever, it's called Nechia board. It's a concrete board. All the stores were required by corporate to redo every seven to ,~~'~~ eight years. We will have to go back now and retro fit all of our stores that are currently -~ built. Like Overland store, the oldest one, is just seven years old. That's due this year. So, they will all, then, have that same continuity and look. We did try to -- we had the "` building 180, it just does not fit with the drive-thru. It becomes unsafe with the drive-thru ,rti? on the other side, because the canopies do not fit on this side, as you can tell adjacent to the property. The -- Billy Ray and his office I know have tried two or three things. He "``'° ' got where the canopies -- we need X number of stalls to get cars there. It's not -- you know, it's not -- you know, you can't get down to where you only got eight stalls and be ~.wY able to, you know, pay for the property, pay for the business, and so we needed -- ~~"y'' think there is a total of 17 order taking stations that we have. The -- trying to think of the other things that we were addressing. The back -- when we changed the building and `~ put the canopies and everything on the back -- if you could back up to that one -- the -- ., or go forward, whichever. Not that one, the newer one of that. Yeah. There you go. ', We did -- we added the wall and hid all the panels and did all that and had the poster ''` j` ~ boards, which are illuminated on the same and that drive-thru canopy is what that is, '~Y,-. that piece at the -- if you look at the very bottom at the back. O'Brien: You have a pointer there, sir. ,~ } Hofferber: Pardon me? r =r~~ O'Brien: Could you use the pointer there, please. r '='' Hofferber: Okay. Yeah. This is what they call -- it's, actually, adrive-thru canopy and q. , ='~`' we show a side view of it here. Which kind of matches the arch -the ones of these. This canopy and the structure -- I don't -- there is just -- I mean it's massive steel. It's "~I~~, got three panels that fit over the top of it and there is not enough room to add one of '`~"'"~ ~~ those at the front and the back. We did add this at both the front and the back, because this is just what's usually at the front of the building. So, we have -- you know, trying to ~~~~_ get that continuity, so the building does look like it's the front of the building. There is -- _:-~ _~= F ~~s~ .~~~ ~ ~= ~E ~~~ ~'.iA' ~~S Y ,t: T `in ~t i~F~ y~ ~M 1S ~Sf ~ yy3, T ~ ti: S ~ ~.; d. E4 ~ `.: ~r r ti F~1#Y +MP ~Y,i ~~R~ a~ c~.y ;~~i ~,~r ? >F, t44 ~Q ~ ~,b ,j '~4Cc}alt Y ~ f ~~`, '' ~ f cr"k~^ i4t y~C .i gy~ f Y ~zz~ I' r ~: ~~ r r;~ ,~ , t~.t .z ~;~ ~ yr! ' "+ ~~ ~. ?~ , ~ .tg ~il ~~ 4'~ ~„ r 'td ~~~y ~j ? ,~~ ~ . ~ ±1 2 { 4 i ~ 4J 5t~l~i .S h ~ 4 [' r ~ • • Meridian Planning & Zoning March 20, 2008 Page 44 of 57 .~~: r`°" ~ the seating, you know, as far as being at the front of the road -- I mean the corridor. know it's a corridor. If you go -- you're looking at the back of KFC and A&W. I mean _ that's -- I mean talk about corridor into your city, you're looking at their trash receptacle , and everything right at the main entrance into the city. So, we have tried to address ~~,{' those issues with the canopies and everything that they have added and hide the ~~~~ equipment on top with this extra parapet. It is -- it's a retrofit '50s. It's a diner. It's the ~' old car hop. We have car hops. We deliver. It's that -- I know the developer is going to -~ speak this evening regarding not everything is supposed to be the same in his development. It was never, you know, designed for that. We have -- I tried to meet all the requirements and everything. I think we have done a pretty good job and I'd like to : ~ see approval. We do have -- and with the noise level, too, we are 200 feet away. We are also in Meridian at 2160 East Fairview. We are 100 feet from the residence there }.:T^; and there is no buildings that protrude from the back of our building -- you know, ~lj Norco's off to the side. And there is going to be a building back behind us as a buffer °' ', between us and the -- and the residents. So, noise is not a factor. We have never had ;~`~~-1 any complaints at that site and the smells and everything -- I mean you're -- you know, '~~`~' you're 200 feet -- and also the drive-thru is at the back where it will be even less noise, because that's where the speaker's at, you know, and it's facing, actually, the road. So, ~;;4~ .. ~`'~``- the noise level at night. We are limited hours at the Meridian store. 6:00 to midnight Il and that's just during the summertime and we are normally closed at 10:00 during the a~~ i winter, meaning, you know, October 1st on through. So, it's limited hours. As opposed ~"~I to a lot of them up and down there, Taco Bell and all them, 2:00, 3:00 o'clock in the -; I morning, McDonald's, 2:00 or 3:00, you know. But we have to be somewhat ~ : competitive, that's why we would request those hours from 6:00 to midnight. So, that's ,~, -~a : ' all I have. Thank you. ~_-~ 11I Newton-Huckabay: Thank you. Lawrence Ross. `~;:~~, Ross: Madam Chair Person, People of the Commission, my name is Lawrence Ross. vYl. ~ix ~'~ reside at 1684 East Braemere in Boise. I am the developer and an adjacent property ,,~~~ owner and I might just pass this around. I have got copies here for everybody, too, ~~~ but -- ;.r ~~' Newton-Huckabay: You'll need to send in one for the record, Mr. Ross. t;x 4 -'~ Ross: What I kind of distributed there is just, basically, our marketing information, as ~ ~~'~ well as what we kind of used when we went through and got city approval for Southern Springs. Southem Springs is a tittle bit different property. We have got a creek that ~~ ~=~~``' kind of runs through it and limited access being on the state highway. So, we, basically, ~`~~~~ ~ put three parcels together. There was a question earlier addressing how we access the property. We, basically, have an access at Calderwood. Then, we have, basically, a *:;~I center -- a center through road that runs through here, crosses over, and comes back out to -- comes back out to Overland and we have a full access, basically, right in the 4 ;~~ middle of the property. And the Sonic that is looking at going on is just immediately adjacent to that. And a lot of the -- it seems like a lot of the interest in the project has been just basically -- can we just kind of see the site plan again, please. Has been -- rt 4 ~: J:e.. ` `:~ .TM i ~'~ f r "~ ~u'v ~ tiyY-~ ~T t ~. E ~ -SX ~}~,~ t l h ~L ` `` Y ~~15~~; ~~ 5 .h NI? til~~f'~~4 ! t ~ ~~ r~Z .Aar No--x M~ ,,~ a~ ,~3?i > ~v a rN + ~. r r ~~i' ~ r ~ ~b~ y ~ /h ~~~" k s e-r tk z 1Lr"5 '~. f,y ~ i~~ ~~~ JJ~x3 ,~ fi 1' 4 v, T.y;,~ ~}.4 .r ~ T :4 Sri ~F 4 1G~ ~:~ yy 7 nl 1 y,. ~ _ 1,.G0 ~~... ~ • ° c+ Meridian Planning 8~ Zoning ' ~~.; March 20, 2008 Page 45 of 57 the orientation of their building and I can just tell you from developing -- I own the Schuck's that's on the comer and I own the 15,000 square feet of retail that's just to the `~ north of this, which is the Southem Springs retail buildings where Moxie Java and r'Y: Wheat Montana and -- we have got it about 90 percent leased. But the difficulty we have had in just developing these properties with the rear access and all the frontage ~~~ views towards the street has been -- it's been tough where ever we have done it. And just -- I think if you want the new urbanism -- and specifically on these two sites, we really don't want to have any access points off of the access road as far as where they pull in off the highway, because we want to get traffic off the road, so we don't have any congestion issues here. We didn't put a curb cut in and they didn't put a curb cut in. ~~-~' So, you're really rear loading and so you have got to be able to get all the way around -- t,~`~ get all the way around the building in order to make them work and that's why I think '"~. what they have done is -- works well, because you keep the -- you know, the patio away ~~~` from the traffic almost so you're not just sitting there watching cars drive by and as a parent and eating outside, I'd prefer to eat here, as opposed to right here next to a -- Af ` you know, 40,000 cars a day on Meridian-Kuna highway. A couple other points I was wanting to make. I'm not sure on where they got our hours for restrictions on drive- .h thrus. On a retail building that we did up here to the north, we actually -- it's a spec retail building, there is two buildings there, 15,000 square feet, as I said. We have got -- we had three drive-thrus approved on it. Didn't have any uses. Basically went through << ~~' the approval process, and out of those three drive-thrus we are actually using two of ~~.. them -- or, excuse me, using one of them. Moxie Java is the only drive-thru that we ended up using and all the other spaces are rented. We have a Wheat Montana on one ~ ~ end, so we are going to make some conversions on the drive-thru into an outside dining ~~ patio. And on the other end we just leased it to adry-cleaning company that, basically, ~``~y~°I has a -- it's -- I guess it is a drive-in, but they park, get out of their car, go to a ~'~'~'~ computerized thing to either deliver their laundry or pick it up. It also has kind of a curb side service, but -- so, you know, there is limited drive-thrus in the area as well. But ~~ think the only way they have got a restriction on our drive-thrus is what was imposed on that retail area. And I didn't have any objections to 6:00 to 10:00 p.m. in a strip retail = center. You know, most of our businesses are done by 7:00 or 8:00 o'clock anyway. I ' Ma be 9:00 o'clock with alater -- ou know, later drive-in. And I have no objections as ` ~'~' Y Y ~~ I a developer adjacent property owner with them having, you know, extended hours ;~;.z, `-" =I during summer. And, then, just maybe talk a little bit about maybe where there is ~. . ~~' nobody here complaining about anything. When we went through Southem Springs, '` x" we, basically, sat and talked to all the neighbors that live -- could I get the other one, . ,> ~~; ~~#~- j please. We had like three or four meetings with all the neighbors that live back in here. A few people from Meridian Greens. Just about how we were going to handle the noise ~'' and this piece right here was always zoned commercial. We actually purchased this ..~,, fl parcel, tied it in, rezoned it to commercial and, then, we have some office and ~w ~~ commercial here on another parcel. And I don't know if anybody was on P&Z at the time, but, you know, we as developers kind of -- I think came in with a good enough concept, had more of a difficult time, maybe, appeasing, you know, the bike path and ' -~~~~ the fencing, the screening that we put in there. Trees and everything. The neighbors z :~ ~~`~" ~ l objected more to the bike path we had to put in than they did the commercial use. We 3 ~ have got a six foot fence that runs along here. We have got a 50 foot easement with k k r '- ~' a~rf ~r~~;rr .~;' Y ~~ ~ • F -~~~ Meridian Planning & Zoning ~;`.~ March 20, 2008 Page 46 of 57 ;:;,., "~ Nampa-Meridian Irrigation District and this whole thing was just a quagmire of ~4 bureaucracy, for lack of a better rule, a better word with Nampa-Meridian wanting a ~~ fence here, neighbors wanting it here. City wanting it here. Where is the green belt. ,: ~~ But we were able to work through everything and so, basically, there is -- there is a ~.~` considerable amount of screening along that -- along that ditch and we have got two of ~'~~,=' ~ the lots that are in there, too, and you can see it a little bit better on that -- that thing _~'~''~ passed out. But there is an incredible screening here between neighbors and what they are doing, so that probably said more in light of extending the hours to midnight. And that's all I have. Thank you. ~~ ~:~I~ ' Newton-Huckabay: Thank, Mr. Ross. Discussion or shall we close the Public Hearing? ~' Marshall: I would like -- Madam Chair, I would like to ask staff about the hours, if they ~''~~'' could refresh me again -- I remember reading it, I'm just trying to recall it all -- the ~` ; ,rr' ~ i concern about limiting the hours to 10:00 o'clock. Parsons: Yeah. Madam Chair Person, Commissioner Marshall, basically, I looked at the previous approvals on the site and this Commission -- not this Commission, but the ~+~~ Planning Commission had limited the hours of operations on the building site that he ~~,~ ~-t.l was talking about on the previous approvals for the drive-thrtas to 6:00 to 10:00, so -- ~~~ - and, basically, basing those reasons on trying to appease the neighbors, keep noise ,~:~ ~I ~ ~~ ! down, keep fumes, keep odors away from the adjacent residential uses and so staff just stuck with that recommendation to just stick with those hours of operation, because it was what you guys previously acted on in the past. ~' Marshall: Thank you. ~~I Newton-Huckabay: Mr. Marshall, do you have any other comment? -`, i ~,~~'='; Marshall: We can move to close the Public Hearing. O'Brien: I have a question for staff, Madam Mayor. r -R`ss~;Ij ,_ Newton-Huckabay: Okay. ~'`~`~~ O'Brien: So, I -- again, I have a question about the hours. I don't have a problem with -- '~r with having these type of establishments, especially where it's being built, to have what ~~~~{'! they call summer hours. I think it's pretty consistent throughout that whole corridor with all the other fast food restaurants that are in that area, especially on the north side of ~z' the freeway. So, I don't know -- I have a -- some concerns about that, so you read that - ~_;:.. - you saw that this was consistent with our recommendations -- or the zoning '~~i recommendations to have hours 6:00 to 10:00 -- F=~x~ ~. 4;,,`: r;'i Newton-Huckabay: Bill, can I address that? ~;~". Parsons: Sure. ~-:;- h F R~ fis W r~ ~ ,~, ~k~t~ 4 ~ „E . y, .,,, ... ra ~ 6 fr ,~_ Y 2 ~ .~~f,~. ~~ Meridian Planning & Zoning March 20, 2008 Page 47 of 57 Newton-Huckabay: Commissioner O'Brien, having been a party in many of the '4`eL discussions over the years about operating hours from 6:00 to 10:00, over the last four to five years or so we have a lot of developments coming in and they are coming into - predominately residential area in a western ethos, if you will, where we don't think of where we live as being urban. One of our theories was that if we could limit the operations, the hours of operation, it would give a lot of these homeowners more of a '_"~ neighborhood residential feel to -- to their business. One of the problems that you have on that is you start to limit hours you're looking for consistency and consistency in one place may not apply consistently in another place and I think we have issues of it proverbially coming back to bite you, if you will. O'Brien: That answers it as -- ~~~ Newton-Huckabay: So, I -- and on that note, I mean I'm not one to want to restrict -- restrict someone from making a living, so to speak, and I have also known that -- seen _~ ~ that City Council is more often to overturn those restrictions of late than they are to `~-~~ support them. So, with that said, I don't have a problem with the hours of operation that ~°~ the applicant is proposing on this -- on this site. So, I think I'd feel comfortable if the three of us at least going with the -- I wrote it down here. 6:00 to 11:00 Monday through ;,:.: Thursday, 6:00 to 12:00 Friday through Saturday, with the understanding they are going to have winter hours. You're certainly not going to stay open if you don't have -<~ customers to come and purchase your stuff. So, I'm okay with -- but that is some of the fir::",, method behind the madness is it was efforts over the years to try to help ease the invasion of commercial into residential -- predominately residential areas and an effort ,~ ,?y~ to remain consistent as a Commission. So, does that answer your question? O'Brien: Yes. So, just to clarify, that's 6:00 to 11:00 on Fridays? Newton-Huckabay: The applicant was proposing 6:00 to 11:00 Monday through Thursday and 6:00 to 12:00 Friday through Sunday. r,,,~ •:? ~ O'Brien: Friday through Sunday, 6:00 to 12:00? And you say that the -- y~~ ~ Newton-Huckabay: Sunday through Thursday 6:00 to 11:00. Friday and Saturday 6:00 to 12:00. I'm clarifying a comment from Mr. Hofferber in the audience. Does that '~°`~ answer all your questions? ;1.; ~'=~ O'Brien: Sunday through Thursday 6:00 to 11:00, 6:00 to 12:00 Friday and Saturday. ~I Okay. Yes. We can close the Public Hearing? Madam Chairman, I move to close the Public Hearing CUP 08-002. d. II: Secon Marsha Newton-Huckabay: All those in favor? Opposed? w:: r q ^grf ~ !` ~ ~~, ~ rv 3' ~ irk ht d ~._[ G~~~. r 9 ~ f5'~ `~4~$f ""4 `'~ t ~~~ ~ ; ~~ ~~Fti T i~ 4. a T'fu ~} .d haj..~ '~'Tj , f -~ r4 }r q •~ ~~. ~ z , f ~ FAH n' ~ ~fi ~ ,- r R7 r .. su 1 ~ ~ s M it~~A ' I- r: _ . ~ . {~q V1 a ~~ _ r, ,"~ .+ * e ~~ Elf ~ y.. t ~ S.e T a e''~- p ~~~_ a x _+~'~ y~ ~~~ t ~'+ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ,t 1',' F y1Y i"~1'~1 ~. S 11 " 3 k { ., s J +~~su ~~~ , ,9 fr~"w'l ~ 4 f`+Ct ~ ~s~~'J~ ~~,~y~TS c w - ~ - ~ 1 .~ a Y v k r`tta ~ s ~ t ': 5 i.$ r, „ a ~ar ~ „ K .c v ~ ~ ~,R ~ . ~ ~ _ , ' i ~ c ~.1 ~' ~ 'IA : 94 ; ~h a ~ ~ ri ` ~~~ Meridian Planning & Zoning March 20, 2008 Page 48 of 57 MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. TWO ABSENT. Newton-Huckabay: Comments? Discussion? Marshall: Well, Ithink -- personally I think the only issue really left -- and I'm still hashing through in my mind, because I -- I can see both arguments here and what I'm ~~~ , really juggling here is -- is this an appropriate frontage to Meridian Road. I fully understand -- I like the idea of having the seating back here. I like the idea of fronting to ~`~4 this road, but I also understand that we want to put on a good face in a major entryway ```` ~, to the city and for a building to tum its back to that area, I mean in -- in another situation, ~~ yeah, I'd find it easy to say, yes, face the smaller road. But this is a major entryway to the city and I am -- yeah, I got to admit I -- I understand staffs argument that it would be nice to see a more inviting face and I appreciate what the client has done in trying to ~~: dress up the back of the building, because it is the back of the building that is facing t4;~, ~ Meridian Road. Ithink I'm starting to understand some of the issues as to turning it, so I a still think I want to turn it, but I -- I want to put fronts on it is what I want to do. Newton-Huckabay: You don't think that the -- the two -- they are called the -- the j> architectural feature that's on the front that's been added to the back and the top of the building like an archway that's been added to the front and the back, as well as the canopy -- what other changes would you make to the back to make it look more like a ~,: front? Rather than putting seating. Marshall: Madam Chair, Iwould -- I appreciate that this is attempting to be the big arch, >~•>'~~ - that it's creating a modulation in facade that -- you can see a significant difference in the facade here with this canopy as it sticks out over -- it creates a very different -- a change of -- a change in the elevation, the eyes drawn to at least its -- and I find this =~ significantly more inviting and attractive than this. Now, that being said, you're typically going to have a whole bunch of cars here, too, lining up across here. At least we hope ~- ~ they are that busy. You know, business is good, but -- and I do appreciate that this is ;::µ "I trying to help shield some of that from the back, that we have some screening back here. But, again, I -- Newton-Huckabay: My opinion of -- when I read this staff report and looked at the ~" recommendations from the city staff, looked at the site plan, I was in agreement that the r building needed to be flipped around. The applicants done a pretty good job of convincing me that maybe that's not the best way to go. Ithink the only thing that the .~}1I' back is missing in my mind would be signage that made it look like a front. The canopy on the front, yes, you can say it looks like a canopy on a front, but I mean it's a canopy, .. ;1 nonetheless. You can put a canopy on the back porch. So, these new Sonics -- I don't know you guys -- I have seen the one that's over in Nampa. It doesn't front the road ~I over there either and it doesn't look hideous. They are somewhat of a garish building ~~~ with all the bright colors and stuff, but they are -- but it's a theme building and -- ~~~' Marshall: Madam Chair, I cannot speak to that. I have not seen the -- ~.1~''4i '~.'i ~~:, ,.,~ . .~~,. .~~ ':g;C~ rte,.;,. ~1 ~~~r~~z~~ ~ ~; ~~i ~~~; ~? ~~ r •i ~~'d Y~ sr~fYh"7 y et ~ :~~ 0. i ~ hd t A' ,11~ S~'r hY ~~ y ~, Fit i ~ ~ i~~~~ Meridian Planning & Zoning ~ • - March 20, 2008 Page 49 of 57 Newton-Huckabay: The only thing Ithink -- I think if you put some signage on the back ~'-~ of the building to make it look like the front of the building, I think the parapet or the modulation on the back adds a lot. Possibly moving the -- I'm not exactly sure where the drive-thru message menu board is. Putting it off to one side or the other, rather than "~'? just perpendicular on the back might make it a little -- a little less like the front. I'm sorry, sir, you can't testify again. Sorry. But I got it. Okay. We clarified the location of the 4~' drive-thru boards. Thank you. So, like I say, I, myself, am leaning towards -- with it as is -- I mean I think one thing that would have helped me substantially and would recommend this to before City Council, is a color rendering of what the back of this ~~~ building is going to look like. Baird: Madam Chair, as a reminder, your decision could be final tonight. This is a CUP. Newton-Huckabay: We are doing a CUP. Baird: Unless it's appealed to Council. ~~~"' ~ Newton-Huckabay: Thank you for that reminder, because it had gone over my head. ~;, . ~4 Baird: Perhaps if they have one with them we could reopen the hearing. No? O'Brien: Madam Chair, I have a couple comments. Newton-Huckabay: Yes, sir. LL;~; `, O'Brien: So, I think it's -- if I remember -- I drive by that area, watch the growth quite frequently -- is that probably half the buildings along that strip there on the east side of Meridian Road face the other way. Face backwards. Schuck's is one of them that you enter from the back side and some dentist offices. I have seen some other ones. The Y ?,;~ ~~.,,.I~ ~,~~>, are all entered from the back side of the road. So, its not uncommon. There is like a ~~~I little strip mall further on down that they have stores in the front, but something Wheat -- I forget the name of the pastry place and a martinizing center. So, I don't have a ~ ~~ ~ problem with the way it's facing now, but I do agree with you that I think we should have some kind of frontage there that would make it more inviting and hide some of the issues we have talked about tonight. That's about the only change I would make or recommend. '°~=~? Newton-Huckabay: Uh-huh. I don't think the applicant's going to like what I have to ~~ say, but having just -- thank you, Mr. Baird, for jelling that in my mind, because I was ~_ losina that. I'd like to see a color rendering of the back of this building before I approve ~`w: ~ it. O'Brien: I would agree. '~_~x; Newton-Huckabay: So, I'd like to continue this hearing to our next meeting -- c'.w << ~i ~_ {~: <~~ ~_ -,;. r 7'. ~ ' ~. b Y,, _, i'-t5~. ,_ra_ e,~ ;; ~t s .5ti ~9 ~ ijj :.. ~+J. Y~4ty Z 2 'ZF T~M Meridian Planning & Zoning March 20, 2008 Page 50 of 57 Hood: Madam Chair, Members of the Commission, just kind of a heads up for you. You actually have no items on the next agenda item, so we could have that meeting just solely for this or you get a night off. So, if you can -- I'm not -- I'm not trying to sway you to wade through it tonight if you're not up for that, but just as an FYI, be aware of what you're doing if you do continue it for two weeks is all I guess I'm trying to say. Newton-Huckabay: Right. I guess I -- like I said, it just for some reason was escaping me that this -- that this was a CUP and I can envision it somewhat and I can probably be swayed, say, you know, I'm totally happy with it not fronting on Meridian Road, if I could get a better idea of what it really truly is going to look like. If I -- and I -- so, I'm really not comfortable making that final -- that final decision without a better idea of what it's going to -- really what it's going to look like. Architectural drawings like this are hard to make design decisions off of for lay people like me. O'Brien: What does April 17th look like? Newton-Huckabay: We have a request for a zoning ordinance text amendment. I have not -- well, I -- are either of you -- what are you leaning towards? O'Brien: I agree with what you're saying. I think I would like to have a rendition of what that frontage or back-age or whatever you want to call it, what it would look like. I just don't want to take -- I don't want to take a chance on seeing something happen what I have seen recently about all that electrical panel just sitting there against the side of a building as you drive by. And so I'd like to see how well hidden this is going to be, what it's going to look like, and make it look nice, especially it's an entrance to the city. I agree with -- I firmly believe that these are the opportunities that we need to take advantage of to make sure that that happens. Newton-Huckabay: Bill -- we closed the Public Hearing, didn't we? Never mind. Mr. Marshall? Marshall: My thoughts? Newton-Huckabay: Yes. Marshall: We have closed the Public Hearing and I'm offering my thoughts. I think I can visualize pretty well what it looks like. I'm still wavering on approval because of that -- I think it's come a long way. I don't know the other buildings along there. I'm only looking at this and this alone, because I don't know the other buildings on that there. I do know that that is a major entryway to the city and I do want this to be attractive, not only from the front, which I think is appropriate to face in the small street, but I also want it to be very attractive from Meridian and I'm -- I'm really bouncing on approval on it. I think they have made some significant improvements relative to what it was, but I really like to see a little more facade modulation, but, then, again, I don't know what else you can do to take that extra step. ~,i~:, ~r ~~ 4 r y " ~ ~#, ~. ~. . ~ ~ ~` r - c'-. ~' a~+- ~4 i. ~ r ~ i is ~r ~1¢~ r,a~~~~; r> ,~~r.~:f S ~~~ _< ~ _.. f.. f,. N ~ f r~.~a '+cr:~7 !C` T k ~-. t+~~ ~Y. 'VI~'t'l;•3 j7y~~ ~ t . ~ t1~ . w ~~~~~ W~ ~, - u,; 3; ~ .. .~~~ ~ u~.r ~ ~" ~. ,: ~~ + - . ` i.~' r 4.5 , _ ~. 5 A r .t~: ~-- J Meridian Planning & Zoning March 20, 2008 Page 51 of 57 Newton-Huckabay: Okay. Mr. Baird. Baird: Madam Chair. Newton-Huckabay: We had a hearing not too long ago where we made a recommendations on a CUP for approval based on some criteria being met when we ~~ },J~ came back and it was on a Consent Agenda to be -- to final approve the CUP. Do you recall that where -- Baird: Madam Chair, I do not. But I think when you're talking about reviewing avisual - - if you do reopen the hearing and continue this for that, you're going to want an opportunity to have that presented to you and to deliberate on the record, rather than just having it on a Consent Agenda, if that's the way you're going. Perhaps planning staff has some comment on that particular -- Newton-Huckabay: Because if we were in disagreement with it, we could remove it from the Consent Agenda, couldn't we? Baird: Well, I'm just not seeing how we can continue a hearing and finish it and make a decision on a Consent Agenda. Or you conclude the hearing, keep it closed, make your decision -- it just doesn't seem to fit in any of the boxes that I'm thinking. ~~~ Newton-Huckabay: Okay. Well, I guess what I was thinking is we potentially -- my only '~`_ caveat here with this is I'm okay with the hour change. I'm okay with the position of the building provided that the changes that they are proposing to the back of the building, if I could actually see a rendering of what it would look like, looks like the front of the ' n o a rove a CUP based on buildin like the sa it would. if we could do a motto t ' 9 Y Y pP -4~ receiving the color rendering and having them meet our expectation. Hood: Madam Chair, Commissioners -- ~,_ -~: Newton-Huckabay: Somebody stop me. Hood: Well, something I guess we could propose that we haven't done in awhile, what we can actually do is just prepare the findings for approval as if you're going to approve whatever elevation they show us for that. Still leave the hearing open and still not final action, but as soon as -- as soon as and if you say go, we have got the document ready, they don't have to come back in two more weeks for their findings. They are done. So, they'd have to wait two weeks from tonight anyways for their findings document to be approved. You can essentially put all that, but, really, you do have to continue your -- your decision until that time. But, again, we have the findings there assuming that you're going to approve those. And if you don't we yank the findings off the agenda, you comment some more, and tell them what you want it to look like and, then, we bring it back in another two weeks, but -- } ,~ .~ t ., y; ~, , ,~ ~ ~ ~~~~ el` ~ ..c C~ ae, 14, ` t ~ m I- ~ wr ~ 1 ~,,,r Y r~~_ ~~ 7 ~ ~~ "~ ~' ~ ` * ~ G . s ~ :~ ~~ h, raf r "~ ~'1~~ ~~ AC~`4 VZ 1~~F~ ,,kl' < ~.y ~' ~. y... a ,~ k Yf f } h ~ ~p~.y p 3' Y 1 ~1G Cilt~ II 1. f. ~' Tel ~yjq'~ A'4 K"j {\217 t., ~~I.i ray ,+~ , + a ~. ' ~ ~ , G ~: ~tiae .: ~; _:.<~i i Meridian Planning & Zoning ~~~ March 20, 2008 Page 52 of 57 Newton-Huckabay: That's -- okay. That's what we did the last time. I would be completely comfortable with that -- okay. Ahead nod whether or not the applicant would be. Okay. How about the two of you? Marshall: That's fine with me. O'Brien: Agree. Newton-Huckabay: Okay. The only -- the hearing date would be April 17th that we would continue this to. ~~'~! Hood: And, Madam Chair, I -- you know, Iwasn't -- you have a meeting on the 3rd of =r April anyways. You know -- Newton-Huckabay: Oh, I just thought you said we didn't. Hood: There is no items on it. We have another meeting -- a special meeting before that. So, it would be the only real reason to have your regularly scheduled 7:00 p.m. s t~`:~~ meeting slash hearing, but you're going to be around, so making them wait a month to *~- me doesn't seem so fair. But that's up to you. I just want to let you know it's not like you totally get the night off anyways, you will be in the neighborhood. ~;~ Newton-Huckabay: That's the off-site deal; right? Hood: Correct. ~~~ Newton-Huckabay: Okay. So, then, we would have to come back here to the City Hall -- °~_,~ Hood: We could -- I could even talk with the clerk and maybe the applicant and see if ;~;;~ they want to meet us there or something, but -- Newton-Huckabay: Well, I don't want to create havoc in that. Is that okay with you guys to come back here and take the ten minutes, finish this hearing on the 3rd? O'Brien: That's fine with me. I'm out and about. Marshall: I can do that. ' F= T, ~ Newton-Huckabay: Okay. Well, we are speaking for Commissioner Moe and Commissioner Rohm on that, but -- ~~~ Marshall: They can do that, too. Newton-Huckabay: Okay. I guess we are ready for a motion. F,°,~~ ~!'~~- ~~ .. 4 r ~~ ~~ ~' } ~A7>~ft~ ~P ~ S~'~ '4 ~ ~ - ~ - a~:+'k ~ ~~i++~~ 5 ,~ ,, s r~' ;: ~ e ~~ ~ - r ~~ ~= } ~ a ~ ~ ~ m , , . ,~~ ~ fi ,s. ~ kti$; ~b'x2 Cx2~~ ~ ~~d ~ w,~,,+taYr ~~' ~ ~;4,~; Qr t:~~ ,d.`i ~~`P~. T b ~ ~~ X p 1~ns~i~rS ~;.' s~iY~ ~! ~ r ~ ~ ~ ~:' ~ t j.' n~ !_~° ~ `~T ~.~ ls.3a ~ ~~•~ P", ~,t J k ~ ~ R v ~ ~ t i ~„r t 1~ ~~ ~~ ~ , F K r.. ~}~8 _- Y c.u. ~ if . e t r.,~: ~'~ .~ ~:~ i~vr.: ' a .; >i 5~~~~. N ~1ti.^ 3 H; ~ ~ ~ kw~. ~e.1 -. d N ~ `. ~, 1 5 5~ S ~ T+14.~Y > ~ 5 ~1 v;4~' ~ f ~~?~- - ~~'+~.cA-Se k '~~ ~~ ~~ ~ ~'_;3 s .ice`' . ~" y,'N~ ~~, ~ , # z 4t ~ tE - 4i,S~j+M,p~J ~ Meridian Planning & Zoning March 20, 2008 %"' Page 53 of 57 ;: >.~ O'Brien: Motion to continue? Baird: Madam Chair and Members of the Commission, you actually, technically, need to reopen the hearing and, then, make a motion to continue it. So, two motions are in ~~ order. ~'~~~ Newton-Huckabay: So, reopen and continue with the -- continue and, then, you need to ~`'':~ verbalize the hours issue, the back of the building, that we are looking for a colored w~ elevation. O'Brien: Okay. I'll give it a wheel. -~:~~ Newton-Huckabay: Okay. ~~`~'', O'Brien: So, Madam Chair, I'd like to reopen the hearing on CUP 08-002. Marshall: I second. _ Newton-Huckabay: All those in favor? Opposed? ~5:~ MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. TWO ABSENT. ~.~ ~i O'Brien: So, just to clarify, there is two things that I think we need to put in the motion `' ° and that's the hours, but what month would they change? May 1st to October 1st? Y ~~``' Newton-Huckabay: I don't think that -- I don't know that we want to put that kind of r ~~'~ restriction a month. Y .,,w,. tlr~^ U~~ O'Brien: Just say summer hours? ~,. Baird: Madam Chair, Members of the Commission, what you're actually doing is setting r the maximum hours and, then, the operator would vacillate depending on the market ~. conditions, probably. ^,~ O'Brien: Okay. >.. Marshall: So, the hours would, then, be Monday through Thursday until 11:00 p.m. -- or Monday -- yeah. Sunday through Thursday. Sunday through Thursday until 11:00 p.m. and, then, Friday and Saturday until 12:00. O'Brien: And the other -- the other thing is to -- how do we say it? Have the signage up front or some change -design change? Marshall: No. Color rendering. w~~' ~ ~ ~ ~~~~~ .-may r f ~ , ti ALA b *yl 1 3a( ~3~ . ~Oy ~ * r'daC ~~' f ~` t,aX ~ ,- ' - _ f ~,` d/1~4a ~ dL 4 ../~ ~'~~ L f ~` i ~'~1f~~ ~ ~Z~ t i k3~„ Tc~c ~ ~ i y'~ i~~^~~~ ~ ~ ~.}x 7 - i'~"fl~ ~ c ~ ~ ~. c,-. ~ ' ~'ar, 5 ~ { "' ~~t ~ y si~i }: G. - f 3. ~ h ~" ~ 5~ r ire ~.a~~{, ~ ~~ ~ ~ ' \ '4 t~~ 4~1 ;N vt ~t~,. ` v aA~, ~YY 1~ - s Z .i! ~ ~CPf b _. ,~ ~ ~. µ { ~ ~';+ ~ 3~3~s yG~} t,, 1 x T F~ t $ F y - ~ K ~ ~ S~~G~i~ t 5 fY _ ._ r J 1 i Yj, ~`i1cU~~~~ jI~ 7 ~"~ ~f~e.523 ~~~~ E . 4. h i7 „' _ / ~av'i~ Meridian Planning 8~ Zoning '~:~t March 20, 2008 Page 54 of 57 ;: F~ Newton-Huckabay: We'd like an elevation showing what the building would look like ~~ '` from the rear, looking at it from Meridian Road. :,;. ~,~` O'Brien: Okay. Madam Chair -- ,r Newton-Huckabay: Do we have to change the condition of approval, then, or strike 1 one? rA,. L ~,-. Parsons: Yes. Madam Chairman, basically, we are looking -- you have already taken care of one, which was condition 1.6 as far as hours of operation. k^M,. Newton-Huckabay: Okay: N- Parsons: And, then, we are looking to modify condition 1.1 and 1.2 as well, because the -- we need it in the motion that if you're okay with this site plan that they have ':Tt:~ submitted and these elevations that -- that they are approved with the CUP. That way ~~; when we do the findings everything -- all the conditions of approval are in order. ~_~~ Newton-Huckabay: Did you catch that? O'Brien: I didn't get the numbers. ~, Newton-Huckabay: Okay. If you look at page 15 on your -- O'Brien: Staff report? ~:~~ ~ Newton-Huckabay: On your staff report. Starts with B, conditions of approval ;.~ O'Brien: Okay. Newton-Huckabay: Conditions 1.1 and 1.2. O'Brien: Okay. v,;-'- `"'~~` ~ Newton-Huckabay: You would strike 1.1. ~:_ O'Brien: Okay. , ~~' Newton-Huckabay: And 1.2. `~ ~ Hood: Actually, Madam Chair, maker of the motion, it would probably be easier for us z~ ~` to just reference the new site plan and elevations. That way we have some reference in ~'~ ~'= ~ the future of what -- what's approved rather than just straight striking through them. ~~ ' Newton-Huckabay: You got ahead of me. I was just going to say we need to rephrase it. =z~=-~ R s1:~. <;<, ,:.. ~E~}~' .~_. '' Meridian Planning & Zoning March 20, 2008 Page 55 of 57 '. <1 O'Brien: I would reference the new site design; is that what you're saying? Hood: We will reference any site plan dates and design, yes. Marshall: Site plan dated -- Hood: And if you don't have those handy, we have them and we can fill in those gaps. We need you to get -- get to the meat of that and we can fill in the holes if there are any. You don't need to look for those dates at this time. O'Brien: So, I don't need to strike anything; is that what you're saying? ~F _ Hood: You can tell us intent and we can write the condition for you. If you look at the findings and you're like that's not what I meant, we can change it at that point. But I '~~~ think we are -- we understand where you're coming from. So, if you can just piece it '~ together we will piece it rest of the way together. Marshall: The most recent site plan. O'Brien: Okay. I will give it a wheel. Madam Chair -- this is a continuance; right? Newton-Huckabay: Uh-huh. ~~ ,; ,4i_u , ~~~: <<;F, r: ~~'.'~ r.~::'I ,;;: rw .~y1 ', O'Brien: After considering all staff, applicant, and public testimony, I move to continue file number CUP 08-002 to the hearing date of April the 3rd, 2008, for the following reasons: We would like to have the applicant provide a site plan showing the improved rendering of the back of the building, which -- adjacent to Meridian Road. Marshall: Believe that would be elevation plan. O'Brien: Elevation plan. Marshall: Color elevation plan. Marshall: I don't believe we are striking those out completely. We are changing the site plan to date of most recent site plan, as opposed to the February 6 site plan. O'Brien: Okay. Color elevation plan. And just for the record, we can strike out, then, on the conditions B of approval the 1.1 and 1.2 of the staff report. O'Brien: End of motion. Newton-Huckabay: Did you catch the hours? . xr ~~z~ r ~ "~ ~~~ s, .., _ _. , e aF'a~. .v: ,-:~ ,. ,~ ~~~' .T : r.. , March 20, 2008 Page 56 of 57 „A: O'Brien: Oh. Back up here. Not end of motion. Also that we would change the hours ~`~ to be Sunday through Thursday from 6:00 to 11:00 and Fridays from 6:00 to midnight. °~~i~ Marshall: And Saturday. O'Brien: Uh? Marshall: Saturdays also. `'" O'Brien: Saturdays. Fridays and Saturdays. Sorry. End of motion. ~~~~, Marshall: I second. I didn't realize we were striking out 1.1 and 1.2, but -- O'Brien: I referenced -- okay. Newton-Huckabay: Okay. All those in favor? Opposed? Motion carried. MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. TWO ABSENT. ~! Newton-Huckabay: Okay. ~.~~~. ,~:: ~:~ Hood: And just to kind of piggy back that, we talked about it, but we are going to put the s ~,, . findings on, too. Can I get maybe even a separate motion to have the findings be put x " i on that same agenda for ratification. If that could be a separate motion, I think that ,~.:~; . makes some sense out of the ordinary, so -- _''~' I Newton-Huckabay: Can I -- can I make that motion? ~~s' Baird: You bet. ~;: ~x~ I Hood: I don't see why not. ~;" ' Madam Chair, would you make that motion in my behalf. ""~?"'~' Newton-Huckabay: I'd like to make a motion that the facts and findings and conclusions ~~.: be included on the agenda for CUP 08-002, with the intention that if the -- the site ~~,;.x ~= elevations meet the expectation of the Commission, that they will be signed and ~~', approved at that time. End of motion. .... ~` ~~' Marshall: Madam Chair, that's exactly the motion I wanted to make. Commissioner O'Brien to second it. :,a- O'Brien: Second. ~I ~~I Newton-Huckabay: All those in favor? l ~ -t _ 3 r n _ ~t~ u r ~" ~~'~ k ~ ~W } 7 ye~+~'} M +3 J x~e~~ r~ ~ t ~ g ~ ~ ~ r? 1,r ; r-~ ,~ a - - -.n 2ti a ~"~ u5 L{Ckxl:'~.~ ~?; h ,r ti~ ~ ~` '~ ~~~ { zn H' 1 F 1~ 1 { ~ ~~ • ~.. ,~„ ~„~~ h rr;~~ ~h~ s r i ,>~: ~Z _ ,~ 'd ~t~_ ~ y Q~~l Y _ ~ T. ~ tt,F, , 4 r4~' t ~ V' V j ~" Z F ~yl 's ti 'Try ~ ! 6~ +~ ?_ ° /_6aa ~ ~ Yr i Vf 'E h~ ~ . y7y I ~ a if; ~~1: '~~'~ - 7t ~ _ t rJ ~~1. ..~ ~ - G ~ +~ ~3`~l~t~ ~ ~f'1 pp~p t_n _.. ~ ~ . .-~t,. ._ Meridian Planning & Zoning March 20, 2008 Page 57 of 57 f ~~~ ~~'~'i `~ ~: _. ~~ ~`• ~,~. , ;.: m:~=: 4~~~^ ;~~-~ ,~:, ;x°,~, '' r.; L ,,r.. .': =:' k I MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. TWO ABSENT. Newton-Huckabay: Before we -- shall I adjourn first? I'd like to adjourn -- or like a motion for us to adjourn. Marshall: I'd like to make a motion to adjourn. 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I i:;r~p; U'3,:. h ~N,- ".~;::~ G:._ tt~~.: 4:,?: ~.Y, , .. , ;~' _.. • March 17, 2008 MERIDIAN PLANNING 8~ ZONING MEETING March 20, 2008 APPLICANT ITEM NO. 3-A REQUEST Approve Minutes of March 6, 2008 Planning & Zoning Commission Meeting: AGENCY CITY CLERK: CITY ENGINEER: CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: CITY ATTORNEY CITY POLICE DEPT: CITY FIRE DEPT: CITY BUILDING DEPT: CITY WATER DEPT: CITY SEWER DEPT: CITY PARKS DEPT: MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: SANITARY SERVICES: ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: SETTLERS' IRRIGATION: IDAHO POWER: INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: OTHER: COMMENTS J~- ~~~ I~~ Contacted: Date: Phone: Emailed: Staff Initials: Materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. } .~. 1 .i ~ f ~ _S~~IM ~g }'° , ~. ~t ~ ~ ~~. 4 .~~, tlr y , ~ ~ a; - .~ ~ :,: '~ ~ £ ~- ~1 7 ' ~ r ~~.~* _ \5'~ T ,, ~T}~~`~ ;;v 'AVt l~~G~ ,; YF J> f f `i^) ~ I t r ~ ~~ ~ '~ a ~ +..~ ,'# ~,~ hi #4x ~-~{ ~W a~ f~4 ~`N ST r: W 4 ~~~_ -- ~_ f L S f, i ~ 'i~" ~~(~1n_ ,i 't _ S r ~;i0` - `rt~iY ~;r e 5 ~ x; 2Y Sf~~7'' ~ ~ y`~5 Y T y~~,y fi i - r ~ ; ~''" i~ ~ ~'a-~~'S J -.a e'~ r'LR~'`- a wt f j 1 - ~' ~ `; ~! ~;i`~ ~"a 'f ;'%.: 1 ~yY: ,~; :.., ~'" 1.,.,~. ~~ ~~ ~~^ ;~f ,: /n ~ o March 14, 2008 AZ 08-001 MERIDIAN PLANNING 8~ ZONING MEETING March 20, 2008 APPLICANT Relo Development ITEM NO. 4 REQUEST Continued Public Hearing from February 21, 2008 -Annexation and Zoning of 9.06 acres from the RUT 8~ R1 zoning districts in Ada County to the C-G zoning district for Overland Village - 3330 E. Overland Road AGENCY COMMENTS CITY CLERK: See Previous Item Packet /Attached Minutes CITY ENGINEER: CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: See Attached Memo for Continuance CITY ATTORNEY ~ ~~ CITY POLICE DEPT: ~ CITY FIRE DEPT: CITY BUILDING DEPT: ((.h,~ Cv CITY WATER DEPT: CITY SEWER DEPT: CITY PARKS DEPT: MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: SANITARY SERVICES: ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: SETTLERS' IRRIGATION: IDAHO POWER: INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: OTHER: .....a ~;< , Contacted: Date: Phone: Emailed: Staff Initials: Materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the Clty of Mertdlan. t~, ? ~zS ~J s o "i„ <. ~~,, i 1 G+ ~ 4~: { March 14, 2008 AZ 08-003 MERIDIAN PLANNING & ZONING MEETING March 20, 2008 ~` APPLICANT Mason & Stanfield ITEM NO. Jr ~; REQUEST Continued Public Hearing from March 6, 2008 -Annexation and Zoning ...~:. .: of 12.06 acres from RUT to R-40 (10.56 acres) and C-C (1.15 acres) Zones for ~" ~`°~~ Regency at River Valley (Revised) -- 2500 N. Eagle Road AGENCY COMMENTS ~; CITY CLERK: See Previous Item Packet /Attached Minutes >5:~ ~~~ ~" ,x CITY ENGINEER: ~«- A ~ `' ~~ CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: See attached Staff Report :~y~, CITY ATTORNEY CITY POLICE DEPT: r .;~~ CITY FIRE DEPT: ~~+~t }' ~ CITY BUILDING DEPT: ~ ~ Y CITY WATER DEPT: ~~ CITY SEWER DEPT: CITY PARKS DEPT: ~; ~~ MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: j a r, SANITARY SERVICES: ~~ ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: ~,; NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: ~' w :.,~ SETTLERS' IRRIGATION: '~ .t.. ITD _ _ INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: =`>; _t; OTHER: ~: Contacted: Date: Phone: , -k a Emailed: Staff Initials: Materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meddlan. h z .,~; v ;,~; a=•* ~'ti~ ~' ~i?k.. ~n5 - - ~~,. :. ; .. ~~~~~ e o a ~ r March 14, 2008 CUP 08-004 MERIDIAN PLANNING 8~ ZONING MEETING March 20, 2008 °' ~ APPLICANT Mason & Stanfield ITEM NO. 6 ;~ REQUEST Continued Public Hearing from March 6, 2008 -Conditional Use Permit ~ ~s::~~ for amulti-family development in a proposed R-40 zoning district for Regency at River Valley (Revised) - 2500 N. Eagle Road a AGENCY COMMENTS ` - CITYCLERK: See AZ Packet °-. ~" :~`~ CITY ENGINEER: CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: See Attached Revised Site Plans CITY ATTORNEY ' ~~ CITY POLICE DEPT: , ':i~?'j ~'~~ CITY FIRE DEPT: , rli~(, CITY BUILDING DEPT: ~ p'~ /~I ~ ~i .+ ~ C' ~L_ / ~ ~. CITY WATER DEPT: CITY SEWER DEPT: i'yFS ~:::~. CITY PARKS DEPT: 'T .~,.;y. ' MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: ~L M c SANITARY SERVICES: ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: ~' CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: ~; " "`5 : NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: ;~ [ :- ;~ ,,~ , ~ ~,~ ,~ SETTLERS' IRRIGATION: IDAHO POWER: INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: OTHER: .~ V ,yY ~"- < Contacted: Date: Phone: rj. ~~ a Emailed: Staff Initials: ~ .~~ ,, ,' Materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the CNy of Meridian. :_ <.1~ ~~ ~- ~~ ~~ ~- ~. >„~ ~'~~ ;:a; {; s a~2 r~. sti ~ ~ ' ti. `. a .::~ fi4 b' ~, ~~x 1 "`=. " .~, yy~~~~ ~ , i7~'~ ~z ,~, ~~a ~. ~, ;; „, ,, , 1, ;, :, '# fPt W •:Y ;c: .r~: ;~,,. 0 0 March 14, 2008 AZ 06-063 MERIDIAN PLANNING 8~ ZONING MEETING March 20, 2008 APPLICANT Waltman, LLC ITEM NO. 7 REQUEST Continued Public Hearing from 2/21 /08-Annexation and Zoning of 38.68 acres from RUT and R-1 zone to C-G zone for Waltman Property (aka Browning Plaza) - 505, 521, b15 and b75 Waltman Lane AGENCY ~: ~: Contacted: Date: Phone: Emailed: Staff Initials: CITY CLERK: CITY ENGINEER: CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: CITY ATTORNEY CITY POLICE DEPT: CITY FIRE DEPT: CITY BUILDING DEPT: CITY WATER DEPT: CITY SEWER DEPT: CITY PARKS DEPT: MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: SANITARY SERVICES: ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: SETTLERS' IRRIGATION: IDAHO POWER: INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: OTHER: COMMENTS See Previous Item Packet /Attached Minutes See Attached Staff Report o~ R~~~ ~~~~ ~I~ Materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the Clty of Meridian. F 1 O o µ t~~~~~ ~ March 14, 2008 PP 08-001 . MERIDIAN PLANNING 8~ ZONING MEETING March 20, 2008 APPLICANT SLN Planning, Inc. ITEM NO. ;~ REQUEST Continued Public Hearing from 2/21 /08- Preliminary Plat approval of 52 "~ commercial /office lots 8~ 1 common lot on 38.21 acres in a proposed C-G zoning district for Browning Plaza (aka Waltman Property AZ) - 505, 521, 615 & 675 W. Waltman Lane AGENCY COMMENTS CITY CLERK: See Waltman AZ °.`'~~~ CITY ENGINEER: =s~:- , ,.~ CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: ~(i ~.~. CITY ATTORNEY (( I) ~ ' /" l ~ , Jc CITY POLICE DEPT: ;; CITY FIRE DEPT: ~~~ ~ CITY BUILDING DEPT: ..,~: z °` ~;~ CITY WATER DEPT: ~~ c~ ;~ CITY SEWER DEPT: {~ CITY PARKS DEPT: MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: ?;, SANITARY SERVICES: ~~_ r ~ ~ _ --. ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: ,;~,::. NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: s SETTLERS' IRRIGATION: _, f, r;~; > IDAHO POWER: ,; ~. '' ~-~~`'? INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: _ ,,_:, OTHER: Contacted: Date: Phone: ` Emailed: Staff Initials: H ~: Materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Merldlan. _~~ ` ~Y:.; ' ~e ~.. ,; ~±"_: ,; ~~s - J a_ r~ ["k?' :~,, ; :<: E~ _~ `' r t ~ r,. ,,: -.5; ~H,~ ._~ a ~' . :~~ ' ,..,~ ;: ;~ ~; '~_~~;~ -,; j; • ;-~, ~~ .~~ ,~. e~;; March 14, 2008 CUP 08-002 MERIDIAN PLANNING & ZONING MEETING March 20, 2008 APPLICANT Boise Food Service ITEM NO. 9 REQUEST Continued Public Hearing from March 6, 2008 -Conditional Use Permit for a drive through establishment in a C-G zone within 300 feet of another drive through facility for Sonic Southern Springs - 1870 S. Meridian Road AGENCY COMMENTS CITY CLERK: See Previous Item Packet /Minutes CITY ENGINEER: `~'~ `~ i CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: V 1 CITY ATTORNEY CITY POLICE DEPT: ''{/^`nY CITY FIRE DEPT: CITY BUILDING DEPT: CITY WATER DEPT: CITY SEWER DEPT: CITY PARKS DEPT: MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: SANITARY SERVICES: ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: See Attached Comments CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: SETTLERS' IRRIGATION: IDAHO POWER: INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: OTHER: See Attached Letter from Blaine 8~ Mary Jane Bennett Contacted: Date: Phone: Emailed: Staff Initials: ~, ' f+Aaterlals presented at public meeflngs shall become property of the City of Merldlan.