1982 04-05~_
MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL
AGENDA
April 5, 1982
ITEM:
Minutes of the previous meeting held March 15, 1982 APPROVED
l: MERIDIAN UNITED METHODIST MEN present donation of $50.00 to Quick Response Unit
2: MERIDIAN ROTARY CLUB letter of presentation of Picnic Shelter for Storey Park
3: HEARING - UPLAND INDUSTRIAL PARK ANNEXATION APPROVED
4: VARIANCE - Mohammad E. Alidjani dba SANITARY SERVICE, INC. APPROVED
5: CATHERINE PARK SUBDIVISION PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVED
6. BILLS
APPROVED
7: DEPARTMENT REPORTS:
HUD Grant for Sewer Rehabilitation - Earl Ward, Wastewater Supt
Public Works Dump Truck
(Meridian Citv Hal
April
Regular Meeting called to order by Playor Joseph L. Glaisyer at 7:30 P. P1.
Councilmen Present: Grant P. Kingsford; Bill Brewer; Rick Orton Jr.; Ronald Tolsma
Others Present: Bruce Stuart; Doug Nichols; Gary Newberry; Dean Mayes Jr.;
Susan C. Scott; Vern Schoen; Jim Potter; Robert C. Packard;
Moe Alidijani; Lloyd Howe; Ray and Bernice Johnson; Plarnell Chenowith; Tom Marks;
Coenraad Abas; Terry P. Smith; Larry Chetwood; Steve Gratton; Gary Smith; Earl Ward;
Donna Day; Robert Keith Boyd; Roger Welker; Wayne Crookston Jr.; Penny Webb
P1inutes of the previous meeting held March 15, 1982 were approved as written.
Item 1 f1ayor Glaisyer announced that there would be an alteration of the Agenda and called
upon Larry Chetwood who was representing the Meridian Plethodist Church.
Larry Chetwood: "I am here tonight to represent in oarticular the Plethodist Men's
Group of the Meridian Methodist Church. It speaks very well for one of our City
services that our group granted this donation which the Plethodist Men are giving to
the QRU (Quick Response Unit) in response and respect to the quality of service that
it has rendered to the community. Without any one specific incident in mind, the
continued good operation of this particular service to the community, we felt we
wanted to step up and acknowledge with a donation of fifty dollars. ($50.00)."
hlayor Glaisyer: "Thank you very much Larry"
Councilman Ron Tolsma: "All of the money that the QRU gets from donations is used
for equipment, furnishing their living quarters - such as it is, with the Television
set and their coffee that the Fire Department doesn't buy. This is very much
appreciated by the QRU."
f4ayor Glaisyer: "Please extend the appreciation to your fellow members Larry."
Chetwood: "Thank you"
Item 2 Playor Glaisyer read a letter from the Meridian Rotary. Club, W. Reed Hanson,
Project Representative. Letter was dated March 15, 1982 and the subject being
a Picnic Shelter in Storey Park.
"For several months the Meridian Rotary Club has been considering several possi-
bilities fora community project. We were directed to visit with Bill Brewer and
Bruce Stuart concerning what was needed and how we should proceed. After such
consultation we decided that we had the funds to erect another picnic shelter in
Storey Park. Attached to this proposal is a catalog picture of a structure similar
in design to the one we are proposing. The structure would be 20 foot by 24 foot
and would be similar to the "P1eramec"as pictured. We estimate the total cost to be
between $2,000 to $2,500. 6Je have funds in the Meridian Rotary Club to cover most
of this cost. We therefore propose that such a structure be built. To do so would
require the City to determine where they would like the shelter in Storey Park.
Our proposal also requires that the city pay for any cost in excess of $2,000 the
project might incur. If the City agrees with this request then the Meridian Rotary
Club would secure a firm bid so that the City would know exactly what portion of
the cost would be theirs. We have already consulted with JUB Engineering and
R&M Steel Company with regards to this project. The Meridian Rotary Club is
looking forward to working with the City of Peridian on their first community project."
Councilman Rick Orton, Park's Commissioner: "I walked the Park with Bruce, spotted
a location and put the first priority in the old park area. We have found that the
shelters are very attractive and they do attract large groups for picnics and that
sort of thing - so it should be spread out from the other shelter. As Park Commissioner
I would like to accept the donation carte blanche, but I want to warn the Council
that I haven't budgeted for anything outside projects in tPie park right now. It
seems like the difference is so small that if we can find a way to get it funded, I
would like to try that in the Park budget. So, with the Council's permission I
would ask that the Rotary to go ahead and get the bids."
Councilman Brewer: "I believe the project has been researched well enough and I
can't imagine it going over .">500.00 - and I would well imagine it would be closer
to $300.00. I would recommend the project vaith the acceptance of the Council."
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Item 2 (Cont'd) Rotary Club Donation........
Councilman Kingsford: "I think the price is right..."
The Council indicated to Councilman Orton and Public Work's Superintendent
Bruce Stuart that they approved of their choice of location, preferrably in
the older area of Storey Park.
The Motion was made by Councilman Orton and seconded by Councilman Brewer that
the Meridian City Council accept the donation offer of the Meridian Rotary Club
for the purpose of a errecting a picnic shelter in Storey Park, with the City
paying for any cost in excess of $2,000, not to exceed $2,500.
Motion Carried: Kingsford, yea; Tolsma, yea; Brewer, yea; Orton, yea
Agenda 3 HEARING - UPLAPJD INDUSTRIES ANNEXATION
Lloyd HoNe,Manager Land and Industrial Developer for Upland Industries Corporation
was present to request Annexation of the former Northern Trust Company, currently
designated as the Upland Eagle Industrial Park.
Lloyd Howe: "The area designated for annexation is roughly two (2) quarter
sections that is adjacent on the north to Fairview Avenue, it's bisected by
Eagle Road through the center. To make this property contigious and to provide
right-of-way accesses for sewer, water and other services, the Elixir property
to the south, and also off of Eagle Road and the railroad tracks, has joined in
this annexation as well as Great Western in the same area. Just to the west
of this particular property is the Ouderkirk property which is also a part of
the annexation request. Upland plans to develop an industrial park on the 300
acres we have under option currently and under the option agreement it needs to
be annexed to the City. We want it that way so we can avail ourselves to the
water and sewer. We plan a full fledged industrial park with some rail served
and some non-railed served industries.
Mayor Glaisyer: "Questions from the Council?"
Councilman Orton: "Who is in the enclave?"
Howe: "Mr. and Mrs. Ray Johnson own 10 acres in that area."
Orton: "Is there any residential property or any improvements on this property?"
Howe: "Yes, there is - there is a house barn and several out buildings. The
Johnson's are here tonight also."
Councilman Tolsma: "I see you are extending off of East Pine, is that your
connection off East Pine?"
Howe: "No, that is one of them. The other is through Great Western which is
broader and also with Layne of Idaho."
Tolsma: "Do you plan to extend East Pine Avenue straight on through there?"
Howe: "Frankly we hadn't planned it that way. But in the hearing before Planning
and Zoning Commission we were made aware of the Meridian Transportation Plan
that this extension is a part of. We intend to accomodate that transportation plan,
although we do not control the Ouderkirk property as far as actually extending that
street. 6Je will make provision for it on our side of it. f1r. Ouderkirk has been
agreeable to the water and sewer extension - whether he would be for a street
or not I don't know - I can't really speak for him as far as that is concerned.
It would almost have to be to provide access."
Tolsma: "We don't want to have to run around in all different directions to get
into there."
Howe: "Yes"
Councilman Kingsford: "If it's possible in these economic times, to pinpoint,
what is their time line for developing?"
Howe: "We anticipate it will take approximately a year to 18 months to do the
Engineering, designing and perhaps a little shorter to actually start construction
- basic sewer and water line extension and those things that have to be accomodated.
However, we are prepared if we had a client to go a lot quicker than that. If we
had a developer who was wanting to go we could move a lot quicker than that.
I hope we do have a client that will force that into a minimum of a year. But
I can't say we have one right today."
Meridian Cit Hall ~3~_^ April 5, 1982
Agenda 3 (Cont'd) Upland Industrial Park Annexation...........
Councilman Brewer: 4!e've all looked into this well -it's a beautifully presented
program. My remarks, as given in your request, you call this bland Eagle
Industrial Park and I would propose for the indepth you. are making in our
community that this proposal be called Upland Peridian Industrial Park at Eagle Road
Like I say, it might be minor in the longrun but I would certainly like to get it
named differently. By calling it Upland Eagle Industrial Park you are relating to
a City in our area. If you are not going to call it Peridian I would suggest
you don't call it Eagle•."
Howe explained that in Idaho the Industrial Park's have been
adjacent streets and that before they go to final Ordinance
higher level meeting and confer with the Council on the name
Mayor Glaisyer: "This is a Public Hearing. I now open this
is there anyone from the public that wishes to make comments
Upland Industrial Park Annexation?"
named for the
they will have a
picked. (Tape on File)
hearing to the public
now in regard to
Robert Packard: "I have property adjacent to this and across the street.
I feel like they do very fine work and have made a point to see tttieir projects.
I am extremely pleased to see the quality that Upland has put in. I would think
we would be very pleased to have them close to the City. This is the only reason
I am here tonight - to say this."
Councilman Kingsford: "Would the Johnson's speak to their attitude about being
in the City of Meridian? This is a larger piece of property than we force annex -
but in the past we have annexed enclaves."
Berniece Johnson: "Do you mean if you annex this you would annex us too?"
Kingsford: "PJot necessarily - it has been our position in the past to annex
enclaves, of course they have been smaller than 10 acres. Do you operate this
as a farm basically, now?" Johnson indicated yes.
Councilman Orton: "Do you have any objection to the annexation going in around
you like that?"
Johnson: "fJot as long as our water and drainage is taken care of."
Councilman Brewer: - And that has been addressed."
Kingsford: "I don't mind leaving them outside the City - if that's their desire."
Mayor Glaisyer: "Any other comments from the public?" There was no response.
"If not, I will close the public hearing for Upland Industrial Park."
Mayor Glaisyer asked for comments from Department heads at this time.
City Engineer, Gary Smith: "I would like to recommend that one-half of the
right-of-way on Union Pacific Railroad and one-half of Right-of-Way on U.S. Highway
30 be included in the description of the annexation. Just so we can keep the
right-of-way's annexed as we go. It was excluded from the legal that I have -
I made the comment earlier to that extent."
Councilman Orton: "Why not the whole? Usually those public agencies just allow
it in the annexation -then you cross it completely."
There was discussion concerning annexation of right-of-ways. (Tape on File)
Fire Chief Roger 4lelker: "Regarding the enclave - it is very difficult to
service a spot in the middle of the City of Peridian with the Rural Fire Department
They would still have the same access but then when you go dispatch and they give
a fire in Upland Industrial Park - which one do you take? 4lelker explained
that enclaves in the past have caused a problem with the Fire Department. The
person reporting the fire may very well be frorn a distance and would not be able
to determine whether it was a rural or city dispatch."
Councilman Kingsford questioned amending the Urban Service Plan. This was
discussed and it was the feeling of the P1ayor and the City Clerk that admendments
would be made after or at the time of admending the Comprehensive Plan. (Tape on File)
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Meridian Cit.v Hall _ _ .4. April 5, 1982
Agenda 3 (Cont'd) Upland Industrial Park Annexation..........
The Motion was made by Kingsford that the Council approve Upland Eag'Te industrial
Park Annexation, zoned "D" Industrial, with the condition that they change the
boundary to include one-half of the Railroad and Highway 30 right-of-way's;
shoulder part of the expense in amending the Comprehensive Plan and Urban Service
Plan; to comply with the Planning and Zoning Commission's recommendation that
consideration be given to the irrigation and drainage of Mr. and Mrs. Ray Johnson
property; and to meet the recommendations of the Ada County Highway District.
There was discussion concerning right-of-ways.
Attorney Wayne Crookston stated that including the right-of-ways would require
public hearing procedure..
Councilman Kingsford amended the Motion to strike out "with the condition that
the change the boundary to include one-half df the Railroad and High~vay 30
right-of-way's" Right-of-way's will be excluded.
Councilman Brewer requested that the Motion be amended to strike out "Upland
Eagle Industrial Park Annexation" striking out the name Eagle.
The Motion was made by Kingsford and seconded by Orton that Upland Industrial Park
Annexation be approved and zoned "D".Industrial to the City of Meridian; that
Upland Industries help shoulder the expense of amending the City of Meridian
Comprehensive Plan and Urban Service Plan; to comply with the recommendations of
the Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission that consideration be given to the
irrigation and drainage of htr. and Mrs. Ray Johnson's property; and to meet the
recommendations of the Ada County Highway District.
f4otion Carried: Kingsford, yea; Tolsma, yea; Brewer, yea; Orton, yea
Mr. Howe thanked the Mayor and Council after Mayor flaisyer extended congratulations.
Agenda
4 VARIANCE - Mohammad E. Alidjani dba SANITARY SERVICE
Mohammad was present to request a building requirement variance on property located
at 423 West Broadway.
fohammad: "We have an old barn on the property at which we park our trucks.
It is not in a stable condition and we are not able to take our trucks inside.
(Mo displayed drawings of buildings, as is now and proposed) The door is 9x9
and I need 12x12 to get our trucks in. With this plan it would give me a three
stall of 12x12, overhead doors, two of them to allow the diesel trucks in the
winter time. The third one is going to be for small repair. With this in mind,
•.r. Schoen advised me that I may need a variance. My property is zoned Industrial,
my rnen are covered with the State Insurance Fund, lie alth Insurance and on and off
the job insurance. This improvement would be low cost and something that will
help me stay in business."
There was discussion concerning the Industrial Zoning which extends west of 4th
and south of Broadway to the westerly City boundary.
Mohammad explained that he had to have Industrial zoning to park the Sanitary
Service trucks.
The Building Inspector stated that he had proper zoning to park the trucks but
possibly Mohammad would need a building code variance as the building did not
meet any .building code standards. He recommended a variance for the use of the
building with minor remodeling.
There was discussion concerning the extent of remodeling. (Tape on File)
Councilman Kingsford suggested gravel driveway and fencing.
Mohammad stated that he had plans to gradually improve this during the next two
years.
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Agenda 4 (Cont'd) Sanitary Service Variance.........
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The Motion was made by Orton and seconded by Kingsford that the City Council
grant a variance to Plohammad Alidjani dba Sanitary Service from the Uniform
Building Code to allow the use of the building at the rear of property located
at 423 West Broadway for three (3) years.
Motion Carried: Brewer, ,yea; Tolsma, yea; Kingsford, yea; Orton, yea.
Drawing of building on file with these minutes.
Agenda
5 CATHERINE PARK SUBDIVISION PRELIMINARY PLAT
James Potter, Potter ane Associates, Inc., was present to represent Catherine
Park Preliminary Plat in behalf of Tom Marks, property owner.
Potter summarized previous comments regarding Catherine Park Subdivision.
Potter: "The Highway District had comments concerning the one-half street
and their desire to see a number of other streets go through. P1r. h1ark's and
I met with the Highway Technical Review Staff on March 29th and discussed each
item with them. They concurred they woul accept Catherine Lane as a private
Lane if the Council approved that action. They would desire the Lane to be
built as a half street standard and to their construction specifications -
which would mean certain tests, etc, be conducted and inspection reports written.
ACRD would not accept those as there is no dedication at the time. We would
suggest that be done and those records be maintained on file here so that in
future time, when the properties are developed to the west, that street could,
in fact, be eligible for dedication without reconstruction. Also, your City
Engineer and County Engineer has questioned whether the project is in the flood
prone area." (Flood Boundary and Soil Data hlap was distributed) "With your
reference to a copy of the HUD flood hazard boundary you will notice Five t".ile
Creek has a designation fora flood plain, Zone A, south of the Railroad track -
there is no zone designation north of the railroad track, principally because the
ditch is substantially deeper in that area."
Councilman Orton: "Why does the flood plain suddenly quit at the railroad track -
does that mean that is the last downstream restriction to the flow, and so every-
thing downstream from there basicaaly stays within the channel?"
Potter: "Yes, that's a relatively small structure - that creates upstream
flooding."
"On the question raised regarding payment for future development nn Washington St.
we discussed vaith ACHD and would recommend to you, since the applicant is bringing
the street up to gravel base at this time, and since the elevation of the future
structure across Five P~1ile Creek is not known, that the applicant have the oppor-
tunity to negoitate with ACRD an appropriate amount to be set aside in their
trust fund for the paving of that portion. Also, Mr. Smith questioned the avail-
ability of easements and we want to assure you that agreements have been reached
for those easements for the sewer line and if accepted as a private lane the
applicant would grant the City an easement through, which would be designated as
Catherine Lane. The other consideration is the vacation of East State Avenue
Extension which was accepted by the City and subsequently by the County PJovember
1970. We feel this area would be best served by terminating that street with a
culdesac and going through a normal vacation procedure and - vacating one-half of
it to either property owner."
Councilman Orton: "In vacating that State Street right-of-way, your culdesac
takes in a little bit of land in the Subdivision - it also takes in small chunks
of adjoining property - has that all been agreed to?"
Potter: "Yes sir. He is amenable to that because he would gain a substantial
piece of land."
The Council was presented a petition signed by adjoining property owners stating
that they have no objection to the double-wide modular housing. There were
three (3) parties within 300 feet that ~1r. M19arks was unable to contact.
Pteridian City Hall .6. April 5, 1982
Agenda 5 (Cont'd) Catherine Park Sub...........
"Only one (1) neighbor opposed, primarily because he was a stick builder"
Potter: "In regard to Fire Chief Welker's comment on the placement of fire
hydrants and looping the water line to East 4ashington Ave. - We would propose
that the water line in Catherine Lane be designed for future looping. However,
the land over to East Washington is not under the control of him (Mark's).
As far as the placements of fire hydrants we intend to place in accordance with
Idaho Rating Bureau criteria to meet the existing rating established for the
City of Meridian. So, with all of this in mind, we request your favorable consid-
eration and several variances which we believe are appropriate. As mentioned in
our earlier submittal, we would reo,uest set hack variances Front 10 ft, side
street 10 ft, side yard 5 ft and rear yard 45 ft. Street standard variances
a. Approval of Catherine Lane as a private lane to be maintained under a Home
Owners Association. b. Construction standards of Catherine Lane be ACHD standards
but only a half street be constructed. c. Vacation of E. State Avenue extension
and acceptance of a permanent culdesac. d. E. Washington Ave. be constructed to
gravel base only. e. That construction test and inspection reports be performed
in accordance with ACHD Standards and that copies of same be filed with the City
to use in any future dedication to ACRD. f. That the typical section of Catherine
Lane be as follows: 24' pavement width with an extended asphalt curb on the
west and rolled curb and gutter on the east and extending thru the culdesac.
and in regard to g. Mr. Marks had several discussion with manufactures and it was
determined that the dwellings proposed meet all UBC requirements except the
floor structure. The structural strength exceeds that of a stick built design
but it is not the same - it is of steel structure with cross members. So, we
request that manufactured housing be accepted including mobile homes, provided
that all units have an exterior appearance of on site frame construction, meet
current electrical and plumbing codes; meet UBC codes for house construction
except for minor deviations in floor structure design."
Mayor Glaisyer disapproved of the late presentation of documented changes and
questioned the Council as to their feeling.
Councilman Orton: "I have done some investigating on this Mobile Home reference
and how they do and don't conform with the UBC. I found there could be, depending
on which manufacture and which model he's making, be either conforms precisely
with UBC or there can be any number of deviations. For example, you get all the
way down where you don't have 2x4 studs in the walls and no exterior sheeting.
Now the only variance your asking for is just the one where they put steel structure
under it to move it as opposed to the normal wood structure?"
Potter: "Correct"
Orton: "So you are saying in all other areas it would meet UBC?"
Tom Marks: "That is what I have been advised by my particular manufacturer."
Schoen, Building Inspector: "There is only two (2) company's that can manufacture
under UBC and that is Boise Flomes and Timberline in Boise - all others come out
with Mobile home standards. We would have to grant a mobile variance in any other.
They have to have electrical stands same as a mobile home park or subdivision -
I'm not sure on the plumbing."
Orton: "Why couldn't we allow them to come in under our residential ordinance?
We don't have a Mobile Home Subdivision Ordinance. ~~lhy couldn't we allow them to
come in under our Residential Ordinance with whatever variances?"
Schoen: "Maybe the Attorney can answer this, but they come out as mobile homes.
manufactured housing with UBC standards, Fleetwood and so forth, has put out
mobile home engineered structures they can vary - but they would have to be treated
as the same thing as mobile homes - I think it's a good idea, don't get me wrong
but you will have to call it a mobile home permanently - I don't think you can get
around it."
Councilman Kingsford: "Will it be desirable to have electrical boxes and so forth
like in a mobile court? Wouldn't it be more desirable to hook them up convention-
ally?"
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5 (Cont'd) Catherine Park Sub..........
Schoen, Bldg. Inspector: "That's part of the electrical code - I think the plumbing
would be the same situation, but I'm not sure. There has to be a but-off in less
than 30 feet of the unit. That's the way they are inspected and set up. But, they
(modular) are put out with a much better construction standard than a mobile home
can be allowed. The thing you have to realize is that you have called it a "Park"
because when you set up this way anybody can move one of those out and move a
mobile home in - except with covenants or anything else he (ear's) might have. We
do not enforce covenants."
Potter: "They are intended to be permanent structures. I would think whether or not
they had stands or not that requirement could certainly be worked out in designs."
Schoen: "The foundations like Marks' is talking about has to be built to hold beams,
not the trailer - just as a site factor."
Councilman Brewer: "Is it not true, with the exception of the flooring, that this
proposed home excels other standards that has been carried. on in subsidized and some
of our cheaper buildings within the City of Meridian?"
Schoen: "That is hard to explain, Bill. Yes, I would say so in some methods -
but if that's engineered for two (2) foot on center on these, studs and quarter inch
paneling inside passes their standards. But then metal outside wouldn't pass UBC
Standards."
Councilman Orton: "So apparently the rest of the super structure, and of course
plunbing and electrical, all meets the current code -?"
Potter: "Yes. If you recall in the first package we had a sample of the drawings
of the various engineering. They all have exterior wood siding - they all have
standard dimensioned exterior, exterior walls - "
Schoen: "Two places they fall short - the floor and the roof."
Orton: "They didn't seem to he asking fora variance on the roof."
Schoen: "But I, or anybody else, wouldn't kgive a UBC stamp, because this is all
under the Labor Department - not me. Mobile homes come out under Labor Departments."
Inspections were discussed. (Tape on file)
Councilman Orton: "I still don't see the reason to call it a Mobile Home Park,
which it is not, or a Subdivision, which it is - I don't see how that protects us
anymore than if we were to just say "we'll allow these with the one variance to the
UBC". If at that point, if we allowed it that way, and the motion went through like
than, how could they move one of these off and move just a cheaper tin-type strufture
in there? First of all they would have the rear end in the creek."
Schoen: "The only control you have is the covenants - which we do not enforce."
Potter: "As a structure, you have the requirement of obtaining a permit to move it."
Schoen: "Eleven bucks to the City - that's just like moving to a mobile home park.
If someone wanted to fight it and do it that is all they would have to do -come
back and ask fora $11.00 permit."
P4ayor Glaisyer: "Tom, what is your timing as far as development?"
Tom Marks: "As soon as I get approval we plan to start construction immediately.
f~1y house is sold in Boise and I want to move in."
Councilman Tolsma: "This Plo. 1 lot where you have drawn in dark lines, is actually
going to be bigger?"
Potter: "Yes"
Tolsma: "I see nothing in the provision here for "No off-street parking" -
Potter explained that an easement agreement could be given the City for ingress and
egress and for emergency vehicles, etc., over and across that property.
Tolsma stated that if vehicles were parked side by side there would be no way to
get a fire truck through there.
Potter stated that he thought by easement those rights can be granted for enforcement
of "No parking".
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Agenda 5 (Cont'd) Catherine Park Sub...........
City enforcement of "No parking" on private property was discussed. (Tape on File)
Attorney Crookston stated that he did not know of this being done any other way than
by making an agreement. "The same thing comes up on School grounds - we didn't find
any basis for the City to allow that one way or another."
Potter: "Do you feel that giving the City a particular easement would give the City
sufficient authority?"
Attorney Crookston: "A public right-of-way can be given to the Highway District, or
to the City, if they will accept it, by means of an easement. You would have to have
an easement to do that. The control of the actual roadway would have to be in the
City. I question if it (Catherine Lane) was still a private lane whether or not you
can have an agreement so our officers can enforce the City parking regulations.."
Councilman Kingsford: "Can it be a private lane - and the City have an easement -
and still enforce the parking?"
Attorney Crookston: "I don't see how it could."
Kingsford: "I would have liked to have had time to review this better -"
Potter: "4!e really thought we were doing you a favor by bringing written responses
instead of verbal responses. I apologize that the time was short, but we did have
other meetings we had to conduct before we could prepare some of the answers."
Councilman Brewer: "I feel everything we have seen written today has been discussed
before - I think right now it boils down to the street problems. The entire concept
is new to the City of Meridian but we must realize again that this gentleman is
working with a piece of property that could go on being weeds - undeveloped forever.
By the same token, by working with a project like this the City is setting a precedent
for similar circumstances that might come before the City. In a great many ways
it supersedes a mobile home park. We had some people come before us last meeting
with visions of promoting another Trailer park within the City of Peridian that would
be very much like Rose Park Circle and we seem to be very receptive to it. Along
the same line, I think this (Catherine Park Sub) is superior to even Rose Park Circle.
I think there are few minor hangups but the important part is the streets. I can't
see further tabling it as that can be solved."
Councilman Kingsford: "It is something new and I would like to see it be done
correctly the first time. I agree that this is the route to go on this. piece of land,
but I would like to have it done right to begin with - we owe it to ourselves and the
City to make sure it is done right."
Councilman Orton: "As far as the only thing that is changed, on the roadway, from
the last time. we looked at this, is the dedication on East State Street."
Potter:. "That's correct" He stated that he felt there was no problem that couldn't
be written in final documents.
Orton: "Referring to "d." in letter presented dated April 5, 1982, you indicated
on East Washington you would bond for the future construction once the bridge
structure gets set - the ACHD T believe, will ask you fora bond."
Potter: "Correct"
Orton: "Then as far as the water system goes, Bruce and I Have had enough trouble
over a couple of dead end lines that we would ask you fora blow-off or a hydrant
at the north end - I would like to add that."
The Motion was made by Orton and seconded by Brewer that the Council allow Catherine
Park Subdivision Preliminary Plat approval with the variances 1 and 2 as identified
in the April 5, 1982 letter, panes 3 and 4, with the addition of a blow-off require-
ment and the bonding for the improvement on East Washington Street; stay in the City
as "A" Residential with variances allowed to the Uniform Building Code to allow the
metal framed floor structure common in mobile homes; and all commitments stated h~--
applicant and application be fulfilled.
Motion Carried: Brewer, yea; Orton, yea; Tolsma, yea
Kingsford, nay
,9, April
Agenda 5 (Cont'd) Catherine Park Sub...........
Agenda
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Agenda
7
Letter dated April 5, 1982 directed to P4ayor Glaisyer and City Council by Potter
and Associates, Inc., representing Tom Marks, Catherine Park Subdivision is on
file with these minutes.
Bills were read.
The Motion was made by Kingsford and seconded by Tolsma that the bills be approved.
Motion Carried: Kingsford, yea; Tolsma, yea; Orton, yea; Brewer, yea
DEPARTMENT REPORTS
Wastewater Superintendent Earl Ward reported that the HUD Grant Sewer Rehabilitation
Project is moving forward satisfactorily.
Councilman Orton reported that Public Work's Superintendent Bruce Stuart has located
a Dump Truck, in very good condition and has saved the City a great deal of money.
P4ayor Glaisyer called for comments from the public. There was none.
The Motion was made by Kingsford and seconded by Brewer that the meeting be
adjourned at 8:39 P.M.
P1otion Carried: All yea
Meeting adjourned.
ATTEST:
LaWana L. Niemann, City Clerk
pc: Mayor & Council
Planning & Zoning Commission
All Department Heads
Attorney
Gus Hein
Newspapers (4)
AIC;ACHD;Central District Health
Ada County Commissioners
Ada County Zoning Director
Potter & Associates
Upland Industries
Mohammad Sanitary Service
aridian City Hall .10. April 5,1982
VOUCHER DATE AMOUNT
2131 4-8-82 B.S.U. School of Business 85.00
2132 4-9-82 Elaine Town 296.14
2205 4-16-82 Idaho First National Bank 11,066.50
2208 4-16-82 Idaho first National Bank 10,144.35
2209 4-20-82 U.S. Post Office 57.00
2210 4-22-82 Harold's Electric 2,150.00
2211 4-22-82 Jean Aaron 125.02
2212 4-23-82 Idaho First National Bank 9,620.36
2214 4-28-82 National Fire Protection Assoc. 935.00
2215 4-30-82 Janice Gass 71.12
2216 4-30-82 Lewis D. Birkinbine 292.28
2217 4-29-82 Capitol Computer Corp. 7,028.00
2218 4-30-82 City of Meridian 121.63
2219 5-3-82 Farmers and Merchants State Bank 3,804.68
2220 5-3-82 Verne Schoen 80.00
2221 4-30-82 StateAuditor, Snate of Idaho 4,764.59
State Social Security Administration
2222 4-30-82 Gary Smith 1.00
2223 4-30-82 Cindy Nichols 250.00
2224 4-30-82 Q.R.U. Meal Tickets 318.00
2225 4-30-82 Vernon Schoen 206.40
2226 4-30-82 Idaho First National Bank 10,983.15
2227 4-30-82 State of Idaho Dept of Revenue & Taxation 1,138.29
2229 4-30-82 Association of Idaho Cities 2,558.30
2230 4-30-82 Colonial Insurance 864.70
2231 4-30-82 U.S. Post Office 138.55
2232 4-30-82 Public Employees Retirement System 4,985.26
2233 4-30-82 Ambrose, Fitzgerald & Crookston 2,678.75
2234 4-30-82 American Water Works Assoc. 43.00
2235 4-30-82 Baird Oil Co./ Pitman Oil Co. 264.45
2236 4-30-82 Bodine Oil Co. 2,365.00
2237 4-30-82 Boyd Martin Co. 67.52
2238 4-30-82 Brewer Pest Control 8.50
2239 4-30-82 City of Boise 149.82
2240 4-30-82 City of Meridian 115.60
2241 4-30-82 Control Parts Dist. Co. 69.74
2242 4-30-82 Consolidated Supply Co. 1,044.84
2243 4-30-82 Co-Op Oil Association 33.91
2244 4-30-82 Culligan 33.00
2245 4-30-82 Datafax Business Equipment 55.00
2246 4-30-82 Decker's Inc. 12.90
2247 4-30-82 Ernst Pay & Save 113.38
2248 4-30-82 Farmer Bros Coffee 77.40
2249 4-30-82 Frontier Tire Co. 494.32
2250 4-30-82 G & B Ready Mix 234.96
2251 4-30-82 Gem Electric 30.31
2252 4-30-82 Gieslers' Auto Repair 733.55
2253 4-30-82 Hach Chemical 75.10
2254 4-30-82 Handy Hardware 33.38
2255 4-30-82 Harold's Electric 48.00
2256 4-30-82 J.M. Hess Const. Co. 1,181.05
2257 4-30-82 Idaho Business Forms 139.40
2258 4-30-82 Idaho.D.H.W. Bureau of Laboratories 127.50
2259 4-30-82 Idaho Paging 103.50
2260 4-30-82 Idaho Power Co. 7,623.73
2261 4-30-82 Idaho State Fire School 25.00
2262 4-30-82 Intermoutain Arms & Tackle 6.50
2263 4-30-82 Intermountain Gas Co. 682.00
2264 4-30-82 Jones Boiler & Mechanical Inc. 912.17
2265 4-30-82 J.U.B. Engineers 1,317.81
2266 4-30-82 Kalbus Office supply 129.40
2267 4-30-82 Kimball Electronics Inc. 3.87
2266 4-30-82 LTD Commodities Inc. 52.02
2269 4-30-82 Lowery-Miller Inc. 111.89
2271 4-30-62 Meridian ford Sales Inc. 70.20
2272 4-30-82 Meridian Office Equipment 37.45
2273 4-30-82 Meridian Office Supply 27.29
2274 4-30-82 Merritt's Restaurant 33.40
2275 4-30-82 Mayne Pump Co. 37.92
.11. April 5,1982
VOUCHER DATE AMOUNT
2276 4-30-82 Mountain Bell 695.21
2277 4-30-82 Paul's Conoco 52.75
2278 4-30-82 5av-Mor Drug Co. 21.34
2279 4-30-82 5 & E Auto Parts 93.59
2280 4-30-82 Sheehan's 6.50
2281 4-30-82 Schmidt. Construction 4,845.00
2282 4-30-82 Shell Service 144.81
2283 4-30-82 Starline Equipment Co. 240.38
2284 4-30-82 Star Photo Service 18.93
2285 4-30-82 State Of Idaho 705.54
2286 4-30-$2 Steve's Radiator 88.45
2287 4-30-82 Storey Feed & Seed Co. 46.40
2288 4-30-82 Sundance Dodge Inc. 122.00
2289 4-30-82 Tates Rental 70.50
2290 4-30-82 TechniChem Corp 102.00
2291 4-30-82 '. Union Farm& Garden 17.50
2292 4-30-82 VanGas 392.00
2293 4-30-82 Waterworks Supply 947.95
2294 4-30-82 Western Fluid Power Corp. 59.35
2295 4-30-82 Willis & Sons Lumber 76.58
2296 4-30-82 Zellerbach Paper Co. 98.75
2299 4-30-82 Idaho Medical 14.05
2300 4-30-82 Western Aircraft Maintenance Inc. 63.70
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POTTER & ASSOCIATES, INC.
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New Address 40 W. FRANKLIN
13J E. IDAHO MERIDIAN. ID 83642
MERIDIAN, ID 83642 ':aa~ aaa s°9i
April 5, 1982
Honorable P4ayor Glaisyer & Council
City Hall
728 Meridian
Meridian, Idaho 83642
Dear Mayor Glaisyer & Council:
We have received and reviewed comments on the subject development from the
following:
City Council
City Planning & Zoning Commission
City Staff
City Engineer
Ada County Engineer
Ada County Highway District
The requirements of the Ada County Highway District, expressed in their
letter of February 26, 1982, appeared to offer the greatest obstacles to
development. In an effort to mitigate these obstacles, Mr. Tom Marks and
I met with the District staff in a technical review session on March 29,
1982, a tentative agreement was reached - subject to the approval of the
City of Meridian - as follows:
Vacate the E. State /'w enue Extension that was dedicated in
November, 197C, and terminate the street with a permanent
culdesac having a right-of-way radius of 45 feet.
2. The culdesac would negate the requirement for a barrier on E.
State Avenue.
3. Continue the new road Catherine Lane) as a private lane through-
out the subdivision and provide an agreement in ~he Home Owners
Association that said lane v;ould be dedicated in the future 'if
development of vacant lands to the west provide for dedication
and construction of the ;vest half.
POTTER & ASSOCIATES, INC.
ENGINEERS SURVEYORS PLANNERS
Honorable Mayor Glaisyer & Council -2- April 5, 1982
4. Eliminate the requirement for dedication and construction of
Carlton Street, since this land is not within the control of
the applicant.
5. Eliminate the requirement for improving E. Carlton.
6. Eliminate the requirement for dedication of the west half of
E. 6th Street subject to future dedication described in 3 above.
7. Construct Catherine lane as a private lane - but design and
construct as a half - street utilizing ACRD design and construction
criteria.
8. Provide a temporary turn-a-round at the northern terminus of
Catherine Lane, as shown on the preliminary plat.
9. Provide by dedication 30' of right-of-way (as shown) for E.
Washington Avenue future extension.
10. Catherine Lane to be constructed to ACHD Standards - as a half
street.
11. Catherine Lane will be shown on the final plat as a private lane
and given a separate parcel number. Maintenance of this parcel
and the street improvements thereon will be by the Home Owners
Association, unless dedicated in the future.
12. Improvement Plans will be prepared by a registered engineer.
The County Engineer and City Engineer have questioned whether any portion of
this development is subject to flooding from Five Mile Creek, and if there is
an indentifiable flood plain boundary in this area. Attached is a copy of
the Flood Hazard Boundary Map for this area issued by the Department of Housing
and Urban Development (HUD) on June 28, 1977. You will note that Five Mile
Creek is not subject to flooding north of the railroad.
The City Engineer has raised a question regarding payment for future develop-
ment of E. 4ashington Street. i would recommend that the applicant provide
the Ada ,ounty Highway District rnth sufficient funds or letter of credit to
satisfy +he District's trust tunds requirements for the road - excluding any
future bridge. This should be ~ininial since the applicant intends to place
road base material at this lisle. Smith has also questioned the availability
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ENGINEERS • SURVEYORS PLANNERS
Honorable Mayor Glaisyer & Council -3- April 5, 1982
of utility easements. The applicant has reached an agreement with Ms. Ruth
Crow for a utility easement for the extension of the sewer line from the
north. The applicant will grant the city a public utility easement over,
across and thru Catherine Lane for the public utilities constructed therein.
Council and City Staff have raised certain questions regarding the type of
construction proposed and the acceptability to the neighborhood. Mr. Marks
has discussed the construction criteria with the manufacturer. The manu-
facturer states that the units meet all UBC code requirements except that of
the floor structure. They state that the structural strength of the floor
meets or exceeds the design called for in the UBC code. They further state
that the units meet all state and local electrical and plumbing codes. We
are requesting a variance from the UBC code as described following. In
reference to the acceptability, Mr. Marks has prepared and circulated a
petition among the adjoiners which indicates strong acceptance. A copy of
this petition is enclosed.
Fire Chief Welker questioned the placement of fire hydrants and looping the
water line to E. Washington Avenue. The looping to E. Washington cannot be
accomplished at this time, however, design will be accomplished to allow
for future looping. Fire hydrant placement will be in accordance with Idaho
Rating Bureau criteria.
The vacation of E. State Avenue will require a minor adjustment of the plan,
as indicated on the attachment.
The variances required to implement this plan - which are hereby requested -
are as follows:
Set Back Requirements -
We request the following set backs:
a. Front 10'
b. Side street 10'
c. Side yard 5'
d. Rear yard 45'
r. Street Standards
vJe request the foiloo-;inq:
a. Approval of Catherine Lane as a private lane to be
maintained under a Home Owners Association.
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April 5, 1982
h. Construction standards of Catherine Lane be ACHD standards
but only a half street be constructed.
c. Vacation of E. State Avenue extension and acceptance of a
permanent culdesac.
d. E. Washington Avenue be constructed to gravel base only.
e. That construction test and inspection reports be performed
in accordance with ACHD Standards and that copies of same
be filed with the City to use in any future dedication to
ACHD.
f. That the typical section of Catherine Lane be as follows:
24' pavement width with an extended asphalt curb on the
west and rolled curb and gutter on the east and extending
thru the culdesac.
g. U. B. C. Codes.
We request that manufactured housing be accepted including
mobile homes, provided that all units:
have an exterior appearance of on site frame construction,
meet current electrical and plumbing codes; meet UBC codes
for house construction except for minor deviations in floor
structure design.
POTTER & ASSOCIATES, INC.
ENGINEERS
Honorable Mayor Glaisyer & Council
Thank you for your consideration.
spd
• SURVEYORS
Sincerely,
James V. Potter L
President
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