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1981 05-04 A G E N D A Meridian City Council May 4, 1981 ITEM: Minutes of the previous meeting held April 20, 1981 APPROVED 1. Stinker Station - NO REPRESENTATION 2. Fence Variance - Dan & Vickie Golden - 2644 Rebecca Way APPROVED 3. Milton Subdivision Preliminary Plat - East 2 1/2 Street APPROVED with stipulations 4. Urban Sewer Service Planning Area APPROVED (Map on file with minutes) OTHER BUSINESS: 5. Bills Approved 6. Senior Citizens Housing Project Input - Halbeth Management John Trowbridge, Consultant No Action 7. HUD Community Block Grant Workshop - Coeur d'Alene APPROVED Delegate Grant Kingsford Expense 8. ORD. 388 Linder Industrial Park - Motion for Reading Withdrawn until next meeting 9. Cherry Lane Recreation, Inc. Letter Regarding Infringements (On file with minutes) 10 Department Reports Meridian City Hall May 4, 1981 Regular meeting called to order by President of the Council, Richard Williams at 7:35 P.M. Councilmen Present: Grant Kingsford; Bill Brewer; Rick Orton Mayor Joseph Glaisyer, Absent Others Attending: Vern Schoen; Dan Golden; Ray Sotero; Dick Fischer; Shelden Gerber; Rick Jarvis; Earl Ward; Doug Nichols; Gary Schoffer; Roger Welker; Bruce Stuart; P.J. Neville Minutes of the previous meeting were approved as written. Agenda 1 Mr. Lind, Representing Stinker Station - located on South Pleridian/Kuna Rd. President of Council Williams: "Is Mr. Lind present?" There was no response Agenda Dan and Vickie Golden - Fence Variance 2 Dan Golden was present to request a variancefora six foot fence on his double frontage lot located 2644 Rebecca Way, Sunnybrook Farms Subdivision. Golden: "We would like this variance to allow a six foot fence around the back yard and out to the sidewalk." Wi.l.liams, addressing Bldg. Inspector: "Vern, do you have any comment?" Vern Schoen: "We always have problems with fences on corner lots. One location in Cherry Lane Village had a six foot fence and no permit - I made them cut it down. If we allow these we just as well amend the Ordinance to allow all six foot fences." Williams: "It appears on Mr. Gold en's drawing that there is not going to be any obstruction." Kingsford: "This is a double frontage lot." Williams: "The only problem I see is that he is building over an easement." Schoen: "Fence Ordinance allows this." "But if you do allow, you are going to have a lot of them come in for that." Brewer: "What would be wrong with this if they don't affect the sight angle anymore than .this gentlemen's?" Schoen: "I would like to see the fence ordinance changed so that everybody could build right out to the front." Kingsford: "This is an unusual situation though - I hate to see six foot fences, but then heis~talking about a backyard and a double frontage lot - I don't think we would have many." Williams: "Looks to be about 70 to 80 feet -" Golden: "I have measured 75 feet from where I would like to put the fence" Williams: "Back from where the radius starts?" Schoen: "'Chat's more than what your ordinance calls for." Golden displayed a photograph to the Council to give them an idea where the fence would be located. Chief of Police Nichols: "I was out there today and there would be no visual obstruction." Brewer: "I think the circumstance is peculiar enough in this instance that the City should be able to allow it." The Motion was made by Kingsford and seconded by Brewer that the Fence Variance be granted to Dan and Vickie Golden, 2644 Rebecca Way, Sunnybrook Farms Subdivision, as outlined in their request outline." Motion Carried: Kingsford, yea; Brewer, yea; Orton, yea Williams: "Golden's do have the necessary signatures on file." Brewer: "As this fence goes up if you have anyone 1n the area come to you and wants to know why you are doing it - why you are able to do it - I would like you to make it known why you were given t:he privilege." Golden: "Yes sir, I wia.l." Meridian City Hall .2. May 4, 1981 Agenda Milton Subdivision Preliminary Plat - 1304, 1312 and 1316 2 1/2 Street 3 Dick Fischer: "I am with Potter and Associates and Mr. Milton was unable to attend. The reason for this Preliminary Plat is that this property is in an Estate, they tried to sell the property as a whole and it didn't se11.~They would like to make a lot around the single family residence, Lot 3-- Lot 1 around where the duplex is and Lot 2 the vacant lot in the back which is undeveloped. Owners of this property are not going to develop this in any way - just want to split it and sell it. The comments that were put forth by Councilmen on this - the sewer line is in the back 130 feet, we've shown an easement back there, a 10 foot easement and this could be whatever the Council would desire - if they would like it wider. The one question that was brought up about the fences by Mr. Orton - that has been taken care of and the existing fence lines are going to be used and quick claims are going to be granted from everyone involved. There has been a lot of problems out in that area and we uncovered an awful. lot. As far as doing any roadwork on 2 1/2 Street or on 4th Street - 2 1/2 Street would be done under a LID at a later date according to ACHD and they have a statement in there that"prior to development of Lot 2 ACHD shall review and approve the Lot access and development plan and this restriction will be delineated on the plat". As far as what Mr. Williams said about the property already being subdivided once - the whole block has been subdivided, this is no different than the Subdivision to the North of it. It's basically like Olive-Dale Subdivision - this was part of this block to begin with. I feel we have gone all courses that we possibly can on it. As far as the water line on 4th Street that Cary Smith brought up, we feel that that should be extended when a developer goes in and does the development on the street. Planning & Zoning has put a restriction upon this property saying that there will be no structures or building without going back through them and back through you people, so it's covered in that area." Orton: "If you do some development in the future, you have a choice of either not platting that large lot or platting again, is that correct?" Fischer: "Anything that will be done to that lot is to go through the Planning and Zoning again. Anew plat would obviously have to be filed. This is a Preliminary Plat and there is a Final Plat definit$y being filed - I didn't draw anything up on a Final Plat until we got approval of the Preliminary Plat. But there is every intention of Filing a Final Plat on this property." Kingsford: "What advantage in having I.ot 2 involved in the platting process - I think I would rather see it be unplatted, and plat hots 1 and 3." Fischer: "lf you plat Lots 1 and 3 you are creating Lot 2. He owns the whole parcel, we are replatting to make three lots." F':ischer: "As to the concern of the Fire Department, we are not changing anything that is already in existence out there. When Lot 2 ever does get replatted then there would have to be new configuration for the streets, access, etc." Kingsford: "Is a L0 foot easement enough for the sewer?" Earl iJard: "Too small - this is not a good location and would have to have a 16 foot easement." Fire Chief Welker: "We have done this before without proper easements, street dedication - all we are doing is compounding the problems existing there without having that back lot platted. Everything needs to be handled in one basket." Fischer: "We rre dedicating 30 feet on Third Street and we are dedicating 30 feet on 2 i/2 Street." Kingsford: "Is that what ACHD asked for?" Fischer: "Yes" There was much discussion concerning future development. Vern Schoen, Bldg. Inspector: "One split doesn't have to be platted and if has street frontage can get a building permit legally. This one does not have street frontage - it has access but no frontage" Kingsford: "I appreciate Dick's (Williams) concern that we don't have the personnel to research everything that this body, or Planning and Zoning, has done before building permits are issued. if you use a manner of standard procedure, look at it and catch that, I wouldn't be too uncomfortable with it." Schoen: "It's a standard procedure for a multiple unit anywhere. In other cases I have told them this has to go through Planning and Zoning." Meridian Ci Agenda 3 (Cont'd) .3. Mav 4 Kingsford: "What I'm questioning is would you catch the stipulation that this has to go through Planning and Zoning before any building: Schoen: "Oh yes - there wouldn't be any problem there." Orton: "This is currently a platted lot, as a whole, and by doing what they are requesting here we aren't really changing our status with them at all but they will be able to market these two lots individually. This open piece has the same status now as it would after we do this thing - frankly, a platted lot in the City of Meridian zoned A Residential." The Motion was made by Ortonand seconded by Brewer that Milton Subdivision Preliminary Plat be approved subject to property line agreements and that no development of any kind, or building of any kind, take place on Lot 2 until brought back to the Planning and Zoning Commission and the City Council; and with the stipulation that the ten (10) foot utility be changed to sixteen (16) feet. Motion Carried: Kingsford, yea; Orton, yea; Brewer, yea Agenda 4 Urban Sewer Boundary Map There was discussion concerning potential development area, specifically the Warmington Mall Proposal (Paul Quong), ].orated SE corner of Franklin and Eagle Rd. This area is not included in the Urban Sewer Boundary Map. President of Council Williams: If Mr. Quong is able to come in and is ready to ge I think that the Council, as in the past with situations like that, can work very quickly to accomplish the goals." The Motion was made by Kingsford and seconded by Brewer that the Council approve the Urban Sewer Service Planning Area as Commencing at the corner of Black Cat and Ustick Road going South along Black Cat Road to Ten Mile Drain, along Ten Mile Drain to Linder Road, South to Overland Road, Easterly along Overland to City Limits and south along City Limits, going straight East to the present City Limits of Meridian Greens, around Meridian Greens the southern most City Limits, then straight east to Locust Grove, then straight north to Franklin, then east midsection line between Locust Grove and Eagle Road, then straight north to Ustick and back to the beginning. Motion Carried: Kingsford, yea; Brewer, yea; Orton, yea Agenda 5 Rick Jarvis, Ada Planning Association: ~'As you know I gave you a draft of policies for Ada County Domestic Waste Treatment Management Plan with procedures for amending that 201 Boundary. We would like you to read those over and we would like to discuss this with you at the Council meeting May 18th." Williams: °TheseJ.are:AdaCbunty policies so I thinkwe should review them and see how they dd effect Meridian." Bills were read. The Motion was made by Kingsford and seconded by Orton that the bills be approved. Motion Carried: Kingsford, yea; Orton, yea; Brewer, yea Agenda 6 Senior Citizens Housing Project Input - John Trowbridge Trowbridge was present representing Halbeth Management & Conculting Services and stated that Hal Hogan had been approved as a HUD Coordinator, HUD has approved a project in Ada County and they felt Meridian has the facilities to allowa Senior Citizens project. Trowbridge stated that they had looked at three properties John Tromburg (East of 2 1/2 Street); Lembke property (King & Meridian St) and Art Moore, (East Pine). This project would need high density zoning. There is $914,000 allocated for a project in Ada County. It was the feeling of the Council that Trowbridge should contact the Senior Citizens President, Elizabeth Ryan and work with that group. Meridian City Hall .4. May 4, 1981 Ag~nda HUD Community Block Grant Workshop - Coeur d'Alene, Idaho The Motion was made by Brewer and seconded by Orton that the City incur all reasonable expenses to enable Councilman Grant Kingsford to attend the HUD Community Block Grant Workshop in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho on May 7th and 8th, 1981. Motion Carried: Brewer, yea; Orton, yea; Kingsford, yea Agenda Ordinance 11388 - Linder Industrial Park Annexation 8 President of Council Richard Williams read Ordinance 11388. The Motion was made to adopt Ordinance No. 388 and then Motion withdrawn. Motion Carried. Ordinance No. 388 Linder Industrial. Park to be read with the addition of Zoning classification at the May 18, 1981 regular meeting. Agenda 9 Cherry Lane Recreation, Inc. Letter regarding infringements on City property i.e. golf course property. The letter from Manager Wally Lovan was discussed. (Letter on File with these minutes) Supposedly there is a resurvey taking place at this time. Attorney Crookston was instructed to contact City Engineer Gary Smith, who was not present at this meeting. The Council felt that J-U-B Engineers, Inc. should meet this on their time. Agenda OtherBusiness 10 Councilman Brewer stated that the property on the westerly boundary of Sunnybrook Farms had several trailers, tent or camp type trailers. He requested that this be investigated. Councilman Kingsford reported that there are weekly garage sales taking place on the recently annexed J.M.K. Properties, corner of Franklin and Linder. The legality is to be investigated. President of Council Williams announced that the Mayor's Prayer Breakfast will be held at 6:45 A.M. Tuesday, May 5th at O.J.'s Restaurant. There being no other business to come before the Council the Motion was made by Kingsford and seconded by Orton that the meeting be adjourned at 8:45 P,M. Richard Williams President of Council Attest: c C" y Clerk pc: Mayor and City Council City Clerk City Treasurer City Attorney Bldg. Inspector Earl Ward Bruce Stuart Fire Chief Police Chief City Engineer Ada Commissioners Ada Zoning Director AIC;APA;ACHD Statesman Valley News Files ~n Cit . -5- '-tall- t~~y 4, 1981. Date Amount 4-30-R1 Harold's Electric gR.PO 4-30-81 Hill - Donnelly 58,87 4-30-81 Hoff Building Center 35,82 4-30-81 Idaho D.N.W, Bureau of Laboratories 127.50 4-3C-R1 Idaho I1edical Oxygen E: Supply Inc. 22,00 4-30-81 Idaho Paging 54.00 4-30-R1 Idaho Power C,o. 5,160.89 4-30-81 Intermountain Gas Company 571.55 4-30-81 Intermountain Surgical Supply 13.20 4-30-R1 J €: D Printing 3.00 4-30-81 JUB Engineers, Inc. 2,611.32 4-30-81 Kalbus Office Supply 40,79 4-30-81 Kimball Electronics, Inc, 15.36 4-30-R1 Leupold F, Stevens, Inc. 176.89 4-30-81 Lewis R. Clark Paper 8. Supply 240,00 4-30-R1 LTD Commodities, Inc, 18,89 4-30-81 McGraw - Hill Book Club 2n,6,1 4-30-81 Meridian Drug 27,32 4-3O-B1 Meridian Ford Sales 927,94 4-30-R1 Merritt's Restaurant 38.90 4-30-81 "1odern Printers 2.46.40 4-30-8.1 P"ountain Bell Telephone 1,398.63 4-30-R1 VOID _ 4-30-R1 National Industrial Supply 60.57 4-30-81 Norco, Inc. 22.16 4-30-81 Paramount Supply Co, Inc. 6.84 4-30-R1 Paul's Conoco 26.55 4-3O-R1 Pay'n Save Corp, 99,27 4-30-81 Radio. Paging Service 84,00 4-30-R1 S &. E Auto Parts 358.24 4-3D-81 Sheehan's 5.50 4-30-R1 Starline Equipment Company 560.49 4-30-81 Star Photo Service 5,06 4-30-81 State Cf Idaho Dept. of Labor R~ Ind. Services 294.02 4-30-R1 Storey Feed and Seed Co. 45.99 4-30-81 VOID _ 4-30-81 Territorial Supplies 31.25 4-30-81 Tolsma Welding & Repair 86.23 4-30-R1 Traylor Const.Co. Inc. 1,500,00 4-30-R1 l'niversal Freight System 122.1.4 4-30-81 Valley PJews 127.64 4-30-R1 Van Gas 611.63 4-30-81 VI~lR Scientific 8,12 4-30-81 Ray Voss 60,00 4-30-81 Wholesalers, Inc, g,R7 4-30-81 Wolfstone-Donley-Mch"annama, Inc, 4 257.80 4-30-R1 Woodmans , 39,96 4--30-81 E.R. Young Co, 902.50 4-30-f?1 7_amzows 6,15 4-30-81 Roberts Consf., Inc. 3,225.00 4-30-R1 Association of Idaho Cities 2,485.68 4-30-81 Colonial Insurance 833,50 4-30-81 Public Employee Retirement System of Idaho 4,918.57 4-30-R1 Overhead Door 48,00 4-30-R1 National Chemsearch 198,05 4-30-R1 Sundance Dodge, Inc. 122,00 4-30-81 "1illipore Corp. 1.52,2n 4-6-R1 Idaho First National Bank 8,832 97 4-8=81 U,S, Post Office 54.00 F1[RIDIflI PLANfIIW~; AREA ~, ~ ~ ; ,~7fu,'- _,. i ~~ --, ... •. ~ I ~ ~ ~ .. i ~~ 11 1 i ~v~ : sl. S-i r '- ~_ -AA~RI tAN~.~ ` ~- ;~ _ ~ ~. ~-{-y~ ~t ~- l ~ 1 . ~~~~ ~/ ~ 4 t ~~ T- _ ~f~ /; ~ ~~~~ - 1~7 -~ 6 ,(~ s \,1~ CI }a ~,~'~ r ~ L ~ _ ~ ~ , ' ~' ~'~~o _.. ___ --- ~~..~ 1976 Meridian facilities Plan ~\v ~~ ~ __._ _ . --- _..__ ~ti`o~ ' 977 Municipal Waste Treatment Management Plan ~`lo ~ ~ ~ ~ 3, , ~A ~ ~ ~a~.?aw--.:773 .Meridian Comprehensive Plan ri~~ 3 `~~ ° ? ~ P ' ~ ~,„. ^r ~ ~ 3 ~'i ~~ ~ . ,>> C ~ L weuY io~a~ manager IGA - USGA member. ..cherry lane recreation, Inc., 2040 Interlachen way, meridian, Idaho 83842 May 1, 1981 City of Meridiam 728 Meridian Street Meridian. Idaho 836it2 Mayor Joe 6laieyer Dear Joe, Regarding our conversation of infringements on City property i.e. golf course property. The property at 1870 Incline Way, owned by Mr. Ron LaFever and nox up for reaale~ appears to be infringing on golf course property. This infrongement is by a tree and a line of irrigation sprinkler header approximately 8~ into the fairway. The property at 3920 Sugar Creek Drive owned by Mr. Michael Bolan also appears to be infringing on golf course property. This infringement is by afence-shrubs on golf course property. Fie at the ~#olP Course welcome everday usage~of golf course property common with golf course living. However, some infringements are determental to continuity of play (out of bound stakes) and to the maintenance of the course with the larger golf course equipment. Fla feel the city should cheRkinto this matter. Very truly yours, %' r. ~/~/ ,1J-~,-- t'! ~j