1981 12-21i
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AG'EN DA
Meridian City Council
December 21, 1981
ITEM:
Minutes of the previous meeting held Dec. 7, 1981 - APPROVED
Correct minutes Item #8 - Should read only Beer License
transfer - Spud Hut
1. Public Hearing:
Jerry 0. Mortensen, CLU
Rezone hearing "A" to "C" L-0
540 W. Cherry Lane
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Public Hearing:
Meridian Manor #3
Square Footage Hearing
- APPROVED
- TABLED UNTIL JAN. 4TH, 1982
Custom Wood Products
John E. Krishnek and Attorney Gary Lou - ACTION DELAYED FOR ONE MONTH
PROGRESS REPORT JAN. 4TH, 1982
Gem Fabricators
Dee De Moss - ACTION DELAYED FOR ONE MONTH
PROGRESS REPORT JAN. 4TH, 1982
5. Department Reports
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Citv Hall
21. 1981
Regular City Council meeting called to order by Mayor Joseph L. Glaisyer at 7:30 P.f4.
Councilmen present: Richard C. Williams; Bill Brewer; Rick Orton Jr.
Grant P. Kingsford, P,bsent
Others present: Bruce Stuart; Doug Nichols; Vern Schoen; Gary Smith; Roger ldelker;
Skip Voss; Earl Ward; Ron Tolsma; Gary H. Lew; Art Davis;
Jerry Mortensen; Cindy and P1ike Hedge; George R. Carey;
Aarn L. Burtzoff; blilliam R. Carroll; John Krishnek; Erik Gabrielson;
Coenraad Abass; Ray Sotero; Wayne Crookston
Minutes of the previous meeting held December 14, 1981 we approved with the correction
of Item No. 8, Striking the approval of Wine License to read approval of Spud Hut
Beer License only.
i Agenda PUBLIC HEARING: Jerry 0. Mortensen, CLU Rezone from "A" to "C" L-0 540 W. Cherry Ln
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Mayor Glaisyer called the Public Hearing open for Jerry Mortensen Rezone from "A"
Residential to "C" Commercial Limited Office for property located at 540 W. Cherry Lane.
Jerry Mortensen: "I have recently purchased this property to remodel into an
Insurance office. t~ty property is located just west of the Circle K and has an old
stucco home, right on the corner of Crestmont and Cherry Lane."
Councilman Williams: "Did you purchase the lot right next door, the contractor's yard?
f~ortensen: "Yes"
Williams: "So what you are asking for is that the whole parcel be zoned to limited
office?"
Mortensen: "fdo, the lot is Commercial already and behind us is Commercial - half of
that lot behind us is Commercial. I'm asking that the lot that the homeis on be
changed too - limited office, or whatever that is termed."
Williams: "Not the rest of it?"
fortensen: "fdot the lot to the west of it, no."
Councilman Orton: "What's currently on that lot west of you?"
fortensen: "Just a bare lot. It had a chain link fence around it. The fence is
down now and the lot cleared off. I don't have any plans for it at this time -
I bought it so I could control vahat would be next to me. I didn't want that chain
link fence next to my office."
Williams: "I guess the only concern I have is a Commercial development starting
along Cherry Lane. That lot was probably zoned Commercial seven or eight years ago,
Ted Hepper used it as a storage lot. bJhen we do our zoning ordinance it could be
changed to limited office."
Mortensen: "I would agree to that because in a long term I would probably try to
build another office on it."
Williams: "Will you bring this up to Code?"
Vern Schoen, Bldg. Inspector: "He has already discussed that with me."
Mortensen: "I intend to do that"
Councilman Brewer: "What do you intend to do for off-street parking?"
Mortensen: "I show this in the plan" "I have already torn the garage dovdn in the
back of it"
h1ayor Glaisyer: "Since this is a Public Hearing I will now open the hearing up
to the audience for comment." No response. "If there is no public comment I will
close the hearing to the public." "Is there any comment or questions from the Council?"
Councilman Orton: "I think this has some merit changing the zone ahd getting that
property used Commercial with the property to the north, to the east and west, and
across the street to Lice south. I think it would be a good group of commercial
buildings in there. I'm glad to see that he has the parking back off of the street.
Is this house on water and sewer now?"
Mortensen: "It's on sewer. It was stubbed off when Crestmont was put in and we
intend to hook-up to that new stub. For some reason has not ever been put on water.
We intend to hook on to water."
Councilman Williams:. "As per.P7anning and. Zoning recommendation he should participate
ip the Highway Improvement program when the improvement occurs."
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(Agenda 1 (Cont'd) P1ortensen Rezone......
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Orton: "Have you agreed to comply with those Highway development program as it
occurs?"
f+tortensen: "Yes, as it occurs. I wrote a letter to the Highway Department to that
effect."
Orton: "At times when improvements are required they do take a bond - the bond
covers the full amount of the improvement, thereby they control the timing and so-
forth of that."
Williams: "This stretch has already been designated and planned for improvement -
I think that the only concern at ACRD is with easements and purchases of right-of-way,
because this is already programmed under Urban "D!' Funds -maybe we will never see
that but we are programmed for it."
Mortensen: "I'm not understanding all that you're saying but I want a record to
participate with the improvement when it happens."
The P1otion was made by Bill Brewer and seconded by Rick Orton that the Council
approve the request of Jerry 0. f•1ortensen fora rezone of 540 West Cherry Lane
from "A" Residential to "C: Commercial Limited Office; that the property hook
up to City water and sewer, and that the owner participate in the expansion of
Cherry Lane at the time of improvement with Ada County Highway District."
Motion Carried: Williams, yea; Orton, yea; Brewer, yea
Agenda pUBLIC HEARING - Meridian Manor #3 Square Footage Requirement for Housing
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f~layor Glaisyer: "The Public Hearing for Meridian Manor #3 is now open."
Art Davis: "I represent Bedelco for this request to change the restrictive covenants
Section 2, paragraph(c),to comply with the City Ordinance 383, dated January 5, 1981
recognizing the sizes of the homes to be adjusted upon the percentage basis."
Councilman Williams: "The ordinance states that under the disbursement, they shall
not be grouped - they shall be disbursed throughout the Subdivision. I noticed
on Block 2, Lots 12, 13 and 14 altogether represent 40% of the homes 1000rfeet or
under and I,quite frankly, don't think that is disbursement."
Art Davis: "This is not a problem. Whatever Mr. Schoen's recommendation, and your
recommendation is we will change. We were trying to put the 1100 sq. ft. homes on
the regular sized lots."
Williams: "I live in that area and I have had several people call me about this
because their homes are substantially larger than that and they are very concerned."
Art Davis: "VJe will change this to comply with dispursal." We want to build a home
economically, we can't put a 1300 sq. foot home on every lot but will put as big as
house as we can. With the duplex lots along there we could have done a split and
got us another 1000 or two 1000 sq. foot homes - we left them at 1200. We want to
build a home that people can economically get into. These same developers built the
homes that you refer to in Meridian Manor No. 1."
Councilman Orton: "Now, currently you are under the old 1350 sq. foot requirement?"
Davis: "That's correct."
Orton: "Have you made an active effort to sell a house that large in this market?"
Davis: "We have sold homes and the homes we will be building in there, 1423 sq. feet
home will be build on a lot that requires a 1300 sq. foot - that is what we will do
as far as the Bedelco people are concerned. We want to change the restrictive
covenants because it does not say double garage and it should - we want to do that.
We want to build an energy effecient, small, two bedroom home that you can get finance
for."
Mayor Glaisyer: "This is a Public Nearing and I will now ask anyone from the public
to please step forward and state your name."
Erik Gabrielson: "My house is in a way
of the lots in that circle of Block 2.
amending - the covenants of 1979?"
City Clerk: "That is the last covenants
that would be abutting against at least two
First of all, which covenants are they
submitted."
Meridian Ci
Agenda 2 (Cont'd) Meridian P1anor No. 3..........
December
Gabrielson: They specify in that, as far as Humber 2, Item (a) the lots for
multi-family will be lots 10, 13, 15, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29 and 30 of Block 4.
I just ..want to make sure - I obtained a copy of the older covenants the other day.
My understanding was that when this was last presented in the first part of 1979,
that there was tentatively 93 lots in that platting - has that been amended since
that was first presented?"
Vern Schoen: "I came up with 103. I think these two were originally in the well lot."
The Plat of Meridian Manor Number 3 was displayed.
Gabrielson: "It was original 101 lots as teridian Manor No. 2 and then they upgraded
to Meridian Manor No. 3 and cut it to 93. Maybe I'm mistaken and going in the wrong
direction."
Councilman Williams: "When the original plat came in, if I remember right, they had
Commercial on Meridian Street - some spotty Commercial - off of Willowbrook and
Peridian Street - I think that was changed from Commercial and that I think was where
they got the extra lots."
Gabrielson: All I have to go by is what I picked up here last and from several
accounts I come up with a total of 93 lots that have been platted in this plat."
Schoen: "I went aver this several times and I think this were to be"existing lots"
I think would make it 103. Wow, maybe the difference would be that you have to
figure a duplex as two units. That may be where you figured it different."
Gabrielson: "O. K. that might be the difference there. I was going by total lots."
Schoen: "When I look at a plat like this, I only figure the percentage to make sure
he was right - I had nothing to do with the description of lots."
Gabrielson: "So, they are stating that on the duplex lots that they will have two
1300 sq. foot duplexes, or two 1300 sq. foot homes?"
Schoen: "That's right."
Gabrielson: "Then there will be 2600 sq. foot on thos 1300 sq. foot designated lots."
I would like to point some items in Ordinance 383 which states that 9-615, Item 4
that all houses below 1300 square feet shall be interspersed uniformly throughout
the entire development. And, under Item 2 it says that"All new residential housing
developments in the City shall be designed to insure compatability with adjacent
existing and/or proposed developments." In Block 2 there are four (4) lots that are
attached, which are adjacent, abutting existing homes,that are at the lowest square
footage size of 1,000 sq. feet. I feel that they should be interspersed without
the full subdivision.- I feel that my property will be affected by only a 1000
sq, foot home in my backyard basically. These two points I brought up are not in
compliance with Ordinance 383."
Vern Schoen, Bldg. Inspector: "One thing I would like to point out - he could have
had one more 1000 sq. foot house to bring up to 10% but he moved up into the higher
sq. footage."
Mike Hedge: "I live on the corner of Crestmont and McGlinchey. The majority of the
people that are affected by this, we weren't notified until just a few days ago.
Since this hearing is held during the Holiday Season there are a lot of people that
couldn't make it tonight. My biggest concern is when the gentlemen stated they will
be willing to disperse the lots - I would like to see the Council not act upon this
tonight and let the gentlemen put together what he want's to do to coordinate this
and then come back at a later date. Then at that time it would give the residents
that are affected a little more time so that they can come in to find out what they
are directly affected by. Those of us that are here tonight would have a better
chance to see if he is going to disperse the lots, where they are going to be and
how it's going to affect us as each individual. I'm really personally concerned,
the last time we were down here they talked about changing some lot sizes and added
some duplexes. When I bought my property one of the things I was told was "yes,
my subdivision would be extended and it would be basically the same as it was."
Now, we are looking at them again and they say they want to down-size the homes and
they still haven't built anything out there, or done anything since they put the
streets in. We were concerned about traffic and we have found out the Crestmont
has turned into a Freeway - I'm just concerned what's going to happen after we grant
this - are we going to wait another year and they will come back and want more?
I am the owner of the home where I'm at and will probably live there forever because
I can't afford to leave that house. I hope that you will take this into consideration."
Meridian_City Hall .4. December 21, 1981
Agenda 2 (Cont'd) hieridian Manor Plo. 3........
Mayor Glaisyer: "Anybody else that wishes to comment at this time?" No response.
"If not, I will close the public hearing at this time."
Art Davis: "I would like to comment regarding the size (housing). In November I
took this to Mr. Schoen and had it checked. If Mr. Schoen would like to put the
square footage in those lots we have no problem on this. What we want to do is
build to make it more presentable to everybody."
Orton: "Vern, are you the one that should be placing the dispersal on these lots?"
Schoen: "I do not place them - I just use the percentage basis to make sure we
have covered it - I helped him on a large decision to make a boundary. I didn't
even consider the situation."
Williams: "I have been on the City Council for six years and this development has
been in one stage or another in that six year time - I don't think two weeks would
hurt us."
The Motion was made by Williams and seconded by Orton that the Council table hieridian
Manor Plumber 3 Square Footage Housing requirements until the January 4th, 1982
meeting so that Mr. Davis and Mr. Schoen could work together to resolve the situation
on Block 2 so that the residents can feel comfortable with the designated square
footage on housing."
Motion Carried: Williams, yea; Orton, yea; Brewer, yea
Mayor Glaisyer: "I don't see any problems with this - redesign your plat and give
it to Vern and we will have it available for the residents to come and take a look."
There was discussion and Mr. Davis stated that the change of housing square footage
on the plat would be available at the City Hall within two days.
Agenda Custom Wood Products - John E. Krishnek and Attorney Gary Lew
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Gary Lew: "I am here on behalf of Custom Wood Products. We recently received a
letter from Vernon Schoen, Building Inspector, who apparently made an inspection
of the facility and listed violations. The letter states that with so many
violations the business must be closed down until all violations are corrected.
I have with me John Krishnek who is the President and the sole owner of Custom Wood
Products, Inc. We want an opportunity to discuss, not so much as violations them-
selves, but what we might be able to do to set forth some guidelines for trying to
correct any of the violations, while at the same not requiring h1r. Krishnek to close
his operation. Basically his is a very young business - not quite a year now and
was originally started in his home before moving out to the Meridian Storage Area.
It certainly has not been his intent, or ever been his intent, to violate any of
the ordinances, building codes or anything. This is apparently something that has
happened. He has tried to set down this last week since he received this letter
to get bids, quotations, architect, trying to set out a scheme of plans which he
could propose in a way of a schedule as far as meeting all the requirements to
correct these violations. I will turn this over to Mr. Krishnek so that he can
explain his organization and what he is proposing on his time schedule."
Krishnek: "I appreciate your time and sorry for the inconvenience of these problems."
I started out very very small with the idea that this would be more of a hometype
project and since being a recovery victim of a State Industrial Accident I wanted
something to do. This project grew and I couldn't handle it at home so I spoke to
hieridian Storage and went ahead moved in. And again I had no idea this was going
to happen. At the time I had expanded once and we are getting ready to expand the
third time perhaps. I started out with my son and myself - today we
employ 21 people. Since there is a slack I laid my second shift off and have been
working with a skeleton crew and practically the clock round to get everything
caught up. My clientele is such as fioff's, Garden Pacific, Boise Cascade, Huff's
Lumber Wholesale and of course we do some retail. We are being looked at by a large
organization and this would be a tremendous contract, bringing employment to the
Peridian Citv Hall
Agenda 3 (Cont'd) Custom 6Jood Products.......
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community with possibly 60 to 70 people. I'm in hot water gentlemen and I don't
know what to do. I started out very minimum and there's a gentlemen here from
the Labor Commission that can vouch for how I got started, got paid, what I've put
in, what I'm faced with such as putting in a blower system - I didn't go into
sophisticated equipment, I had small equipment, reasonable to get into,does a good
job. Prior to this inspection by Vern, I received a letter written to me on
December 11th, stating to me the installation of the blower system and the delivery
time which is four to six weeks. Along with this I have noted out here various
items that must be done, very tentative brief schedule as an attachment to that.
I was advised that the sprinkler would be taken care of after we moved in there -
and the housekeeping - I employ two people from TAPS (mentally retarded & handicapped)
and their sole purpose in our plant- unfortunately when you are running six mills you
are bound to have shavings and dust- their sole purpose is to sweep it and keep it
shoveled. So consequently they were doing this and when a truck is out and they can't
get it loaded, naturally it takes a little longer and the dust begins to build up.
To the degree that was mentioned at the side of the building - that morning we were
cuttiny material that we ship to Tokoyo, Japan - a contract we have been negotiating
on and we have been approved by the way - but these shavings were cut and laying
there and we just hadn't had the time to do anything about it. At the end of the
day we always cut these up and put them in a trailer and then we had some other debris
that was setting on the side and was covered with paper through the wind and hadn't
been uncovered. Anyone can tell you here in Meridian that I always hire the
handicapped, and donate every piece of wood that I can to the Senior Citizens - a lot
of that has been piled up there, I wanted to explain but didn't get the chance to
explain - I could sell it but someone needs it worse than I do. What I am asking
for - I spoke to the Architect and tells me that on or about January 29th, 1982
he could have a full set of architectural drawings as so specified. And in order to
do so it would cost me approximately $3500.00. My question is with the Landlords
consent and we did build- there is an office there -I needed a salesroom and office
combination - and we went ahead and built it, using the existing walls and other walls,
use 2x8 for rafters, I have carpenters on my crew and if they accomplished this task,
and if everything we have ever manufactured to that point is displayed within the
contents, and sprinklers were not down iri there - I was advised they would have been
if they hadn't been so I'm sorry about that. Now, does your requirements spell out
your architectural drawing to cover that and the entire building or that portion of
the office that we erected? Then on our expansion after we were there perhaps a
month and we leased the adjacent bay and pay the expense of the other people that
moved on down a bay, with the same landlord we moved the wall, the bay, we moved
electrical - what really is required? Of course I realize you want to see the layout
to the blower system. How extensive do we have to be with the architectural
drawing - I'm trying to save every dollar I can."
Williams: (addressing Vern Schoen) Is this zoned Industrial? I thought when
Nlitich came in they were not going to have any manufacturing and it was going to
be storage?"
Schoen: "The front part can be other than storage and zoned industrial"
Brewer: "Are you facing Linder?"
Krishnek: "Yes, I'm in where the welding shop used to be"
Williams: "I can appreciate what Mr. Krishnek is saying but how expensive are a
building permit and things of that nature. Some of these violations are very serious-
Fire hazard."
Orton: "Have you authorized your architect to proceed at this point or have you
done anything since you were first notified on this? Taken action like purchase
equipment, start to build, engage somebody to design it?"
Krishnek: "Yes sir, I've been researching that for some time."
Orton: "Have you placed an order fora blower?"
Krishnek: "No sir, I haven't." Krishnek then explained the Johnny Bean Equipment
Madison Blower. (Tape cn file) "This blower has just become available and it would
take four to six weeks for delivery. There are other items I was asking about -a
wood chopper." There was more discussion wiring and blowers, etc. (Tape on File)
Councilman Orton and Krishnek discussed the electrical wiring expense at length.
and the fact that Custom Wood Products would have to close down at length. Tape on file.
Meridian City Hall .6. December 21, 1981
Agenda 3 (Cont'd) Custom Wood Products.......
Brewer: "If you .could list priorities as to what you could start tomorrow -
schedule the work out, what materials were received, construction drawings received,
that plus change your housekeeping program to the point that Vern could go in there
anytime, anyday and not find what he found on that particular day (12.4.81)"
Krishnek: "When we get that blower in - that's 90% of it right there." Poore
discussion on the blowers. (Tape on file)
Williams: "Vern, on No. 6 (letter dated 12.15.81) you state "Some electric wiring
without a permit and none of the wiring meets State Electric Code for the new
occupancy" -you say none of it meets electrical code, does this mean it'a all in
Romex and none of it is in conduit?"
Schoen: "flow much time does the Electrical Inspector give you?"
Krishnek: "January the 4th"
Schoen: "Then the 4th of January is has to have completely rewire with explosive
proof wire - and light fixtures. That's ~ problem with the State Electrical Board.
It's in conduit but not the proper conduit."
There was considerable discussion electrical wiring. Pictures were displayed
Discussion concerning fire extinguishers, fire walls, architectural drawings.
(Tape on file)
Vern Schoen: "I think this is a serious situation and the fact is that lives may be
at stake. Whatever the decision it must be the Council's - but make it a Council
decision, not mine."
P1ayor Glaisyer: "Sir, would you repeat your name and who you are with?"
Dennis Wheeler: "My name is Dennis Wheeler and I am with Idaho Industrial Commission
Rehabilitation on Workmen's Compensation. I am here as an unsolicited person - I
had heard about John's problems through an employee and I just come to inform the
Council that I hope there is some kind of compromise can be reached because we have
several rehabilitation clients that John has hired. He has made work available and
training available to them. Several insurance companies and State agencies have
invested in these people to retrain them and make productive after industrial injury.
So, I hope some reasonable compromise can be made, keeping in mind that I know John
does have to meet the Codes - if he could do that over a period of time ."
P1ayor: "Are you in anyway connected with the Labor Relations Board?"
Wheeler: "No sir"
Mayor: "Mr. Krishnek, I understand that there are several complaints filed with the
Labor Relations Board, is that true?"
Krishnek: "This is being rectified"
Mayor: "I also here-you are behind in your rent."
Krishnek: "I won't be tomorrow afternoon."
Mayor: "I also have a non-sufficient check made out to the Ada County Assessor
Krishnek: "That was in error and I have been trying to get down here and haven't
had a chance to get here. Yes, I have been contacted."
Williams: "Did your Insurance Company come out and inspected this area?"
Krishnek: "Yes sir. I wish I had known about your policy."
Williams: "It's not a policy - I have an inspector that comes out twice a year and
if they saw that in my place I would be strung up and nailed to the wall."
Krishnek: "When we renewed our policy there were two people that gave us bids.
When we went through the plant and I explained to them what I was doing, at that
time I was researching and now we have found a blower system, and it stated right in
the proposal that upon such time that a blower system is installed your policy should
be reduced. approximately 25%."
Orton: (addressing Attorney Crookston) "I've seen safety violations and the plant
keeps running - do we assume any unecessary liability allowing this fellow to run
at this point?"
Crookston: "I think it is the City's responsibility to enforce it's Building, Fire
and Life Safety Codes, although I don't think there's any liability for failure to
do that unless there is gross negligence - wont and ~aillful - there's that liability.
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Agenda 3 (Cont'd) Custom Wood Products.....
It just becomes a question as to whether or not you want to work with him and give
him some time to correct the violations. I think there could be liability if we
alloeved it to go on and on. Similar to enforcing any other type of ordinance -
once you become aware of it and it's a problem and you don't take any action at all,
then you are certainly open to much more exposure. But, if you take some action
then I would think there is probably no liability." That's not to say you may not
be sued."
Orton: "I would certainly like to see us find a way to keep this gentlemen's
building open but if we do grant any kind of extension, at the end of that extension
I would li4:e to see a number of these items acted upon. For example: confirmed
orders on the equipment, drawings on preliminary or final from your architect.
We are mean if we close you down and we are negligent if we don't. If we could put
you under some deadline that we could track over the next two to three weeks - I
don't think that this schedule that you provided is completely thought out, I would
like to see that compressed significantly."
Krishnek: "I just based it on delivery time. January 29th or maybe sooner."
"It will probably take four or five days for the plan approval by the City -
The blower would take 4 to 6 weeks and another 2 weeks by the time we got the
cyclone system set in. There are so many things that final into it. Vern, did
you mean on the fire walls, up to the top of the office or did you mean all the way
to the roof?"
Schoen: "It has to be, yes"
Fire doors were discussed. (Tape on file)
The Motion was made by Bill Brewer that the Council3delay closing down Custom Wood
Products located at 657 North Linder for one (1) month and in the meantime the
Building Inspector and John Krishnek work together making a priority list, establish-
ing what can be done, housekeeping to be cleaned up, with a possible shut down if
not met; all to be reviewed in one (1) month and that on January 4th, 1982 there
be a progress report."
Orton: "I'll second that Fiotion and Vern I would like to track the progress on it
because I think there's still significant parts of this schedule, at least for the
Safety violations, can be beat - you can do better than this schedule."
Brewer: "I would. like to add to my Motion that the Fire Marshal be included in his
portion of the inspection."
Orton: "Second"
Mayor Glaisyer: "I would ask that you amend your P4otion to state that you would
withhold that h1otion until satisfaction has been made with the Labor Relations Board
Proprietor and also the Assessor's Office, upon written conclusion that those
confrontations have been satisfied at the end of a thirty day period."
Brewer: "I so Move"
Mayor Glaisyer repeated the requested hlotion to Attorney Leva.
Attorney Lew: "Are you suggesting that until he resolves the dispute with the Labor
Board that he cannot open?" Mayor indicates yes. Attorney Lew protested
on the grounds of the dispute with the Labor Board. (Tape on File) Mayor Glaisyer
explained that he had been called concerning employee's back wages.
There was discussion concerning the Labor Board. (Tape on File)
Plotion died for lack of a Second.
The Motion was made by Williams and seconded by Orton that the Council move into
Executive Session regarding some legal matters in this question.
Motion Carried: All yea
The Mayor, Council and Attorney Crookston left the Council Chamber at this time
for an Executive Session.
At 8:42 P.M. Mayor Glaisyer recovened the meeting.
Meridian City Hall ~~ .8. ~ December 21, 1981
Agenda 3 (Cont'd) Custom Wood Products.......
f4ayor Glaisyer instructed the City Clerk to read back the original Motion made by
Councilman Brewer. The City Clerk read the Motion and Mayor Glaisyer called for
the vote immediately following Councilman Williams'calling for the question.
The f4otion was made by Bill Brewer and seconded by Rick Orton to delay the Custom
Wood Products, located at 657 North Linder, shut down for one (1) rrlonth and in the
meantime the Building Inspector and John Krishnek work together making a priority
list, establishing what can be done, housekeeping to be cleaned up, with a
possible shut down if not met; all to be reviewed in one (1) month, and that the
Fire f1arshal be included in a portion of the inspection; and that on January 4th,
1982 there be a progress report.
1lotion Carried: Williams, yea; Brewer, yea; Orton, yea
Agenda
4 Gem Fabricators - 516 feridian Street
Dee DeNloss: "We are located in the building that was used by Meridian Glass and
have received a letter listing a number of violations. What we are trying to do is to
get started in a Kit Car building business, corvette repair, etc. Ode have no intention
in making it a large fabric glass operation where a chopper gun or spray guns are used.
We just keep our material in a small amount and no more than the previous people had
in there. Mr. Carey will go through these violations and what we plan on doing with
them. We would like to stay in your town and had some hopes that we could - if there
is anything that you could do for us and allow us to correct some of this in the
business we would sure appreciate it."
George Carey, Real Estate Broker: "I was aked by the owner, :Viking Sprinkler
Manufacturer's out of Portland, to meet with you this evening and answer any questions
on his behalf. I would like to spend a few minutes and go through some of the
findings of what Vern had. I have some questions on some of them both on behalf of
Viking and Dee DePloss. The gas flame furnace in the working area is simply an over-
head furnace that turns on with gas and Dee's told me he has seen two ways that could
be corrected. One is to put the furnace on the other side of the wall and have it
ducted into this space, the other is there is a special kind of a no-flame furnace
that is appropriate for that kind of use. So essentially that is an item that can
be corrected. The electrical codes - after I looked at it - the Paint and Glass
people had previously run some Romex without conduit from their breaker box into
their office area, they had an electrical furnace and also an air conditioner running
220 in the office area that they ho longer using - I suggested that they just take
it out, they don't need it."
Vern Schoen: "When it applies to electrical you will have to contact the State
Electrical Inspector, Von. From what I understand it has to be completely rewired
and the light fixtures with explosive proof - that seems to be the problem. The
light fixtures you have are extremely hazardous, plus the acetone which is in the
pictures. Your hazards are one above, or the worst."
Carey: "No 4 (letter of violations) states that the outside wall or next to the
street would have to be of wall construction."
Schoen: "Fire protection possibly with the sprinkling-.system you could have a
break away and use a different type of fire protection -"
Williams: "How many hours does that require?"
Schoen: "It should be a four-hour wall. But, like I say ,you could have one thing
on the street side and you could also have the sprinkler system and possibly drop
back to a two-hour wall."
Williams: "Which would be a 5/8 inch sheetrock."
Schoen: "Each side of the framed wall"
Carey: "Basically we have a metal building. It's an ideal location for this type
of business because it is very well sprinkled - and they do have metal walls.
They have to be sheet rocked?"
Schoen: "To make it fire-proofed."
Carey: "We don't want to have to tear the place down. If it comes to that I'll
just give them back their rent - but they have put some expense into their
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advertising, some in National Journals - it's just unrealistic to tear the place down
and rebuild it. If some of the things can be made to conform and you would be
willing to work with them, and they are willing to work with you - I think some of
the things are over exagerated. With article Numbeb 7 (letter of violations)
cellulose nitrate plastics(pyroxylin) - he has none of."
Schoen: "That was in the pictures."
DeMoss looks at pictures.
DeMoss: "All those cans are not a laquer base - there is no laquer in them -
it's a polyester, I've worked with this stuff for 34 years and I've never seen an
explosion or even a serious fire. And here we are talking about exploding proof
lights - anything can be dangerous if you use it wrong. We took out our Acetonedrum
out - we only kept a couple of gallons in there and Meridian Glass had that much
before we moved in - they sell it. We have a lot of dust because we use hydrocal
and it will not burn in any way, it's just like burning concrete. There is no vaay
it cause an explosion if we fill the air full of it."
Carey: "In my understanding they make a plaster mold and then they put down a layer
of cloth and then they put a jell coat layer over it, which hardens. The aceton is
used for cleaning and for a solvent. The end product, the fiberglass that they make,
is very fire resistant -you can't burn it - the wet jellcoat won't burn if you light
a torch to it,would melt but not explode."
Orton: "This is hard to believe that we have two explosion group violations in one
day - it leads me to believe, is the State interpreting their fire codes suddenly
differently or if they are classifying all these areas as to requiring explosion
proof vairing and explosion proof lighting - we're not talking about small banana's.
here, we're talking about big money to go from just good wiring to explosive proof
equipment - all of a sudden. Is it a new interpretation? Take a gas station."
Skip Voss°"Gas stations are wired under a special .section of that ;Code also."
Williams: "I have a question too - some of this demands a little more prudence-
the storage area for example, I can see from those pictures if the materials is
stored like that - I'm sure these gentlemen know that is not a standard method of
storing - and the acetone we use some of that and we have a big locker that we
store this. I would hope that something like that (locker) would satisfy some of
the requirements for storage. That one box, hanging by the Romex, nailed to the
wall - - -"
DeP1oss: "We don't even use it - it was hanging there when we came in. There are
a lot of things we would like to change."
Lilliams: "I'in sure when the State Electrical Inspector walked in and saw that-
he probably lit up like an exit sign."
Carey: "There were several Code violations from the previous tenant. The stove pipe
you see hanging there, they had a vaood stove next to their paint mixing area.
We are willing to work on a reasonable basis to correct these things - if it comes
to making walls go up and rewiring, I don't think he is capable of doing it
financially."
There was considerable discussion concerning insullation of the walls (Tape on file)
Carey reminded the Council that there were concrete floors, sprinklers throughout
and metal building. There was more discussion concerning continuing operation and
the fact that most violations were with the State Electrical Code.
The Motion was made by Rick Orton and seconded by Bill Brewer that the Council
to withhold closing of Gem Fabricators, located at 516 Meridian St.,until January 4th,
1982 until items 1, 2 and 3 are adequately addressed to the appropriate jurisdiction
and that the Acetone be limited to two (2) gallons, and a definite progress report
on the remaining items.
Motion Carried: Williams, yea; Orton, yea; Brewer, yea
Mayor Glaisyer stated to Gem Fabricators that he would like to be personally
involved with the State Electrical Inspector and would meet with them at this point.
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Attorney Wayne Crookston presented the Mayor and Council with two (2) checks
from the American Arbitration Association, 140 W. 51st St., NY, for refund for
payment of trust, DVY Construction Co. case. Crookston stated that we have
received the release back and that they are still working on the Change Orders
to pursue the settlements
Attorney Crookston also presented the proposed agreement for the new Fire Truck
and directed that the Fire Chief have the Rural Fire District review and then
give their required opinion on the lease proposal.
Bill Brewer stated that the violation hearings tonight of the two businesses
prompted him all the more that a business license, or something of the same nature,
would prevent businesses such as these from the expense of already setting of shop.
He encouraged a way of .the City having more control. in the beginning.
The Motion was made by Williams and seconded by Orton that the meeting be adjourned
at 9:10 P. M.
Motion Carried: All yea
Attest:
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La ana L. Niemann, Cit Clerk
pc: Ntayor & Council
Planning & Zoning
Vern Schoen
Fire Chief
Police Chief
Earl Ward
Bruce Stuart
Ron Tolsma
Ann Kiebert
Electrical Inspector
ACHD;AIC;Ada Zoning;
Nampa Meridian Irriga
Meridian Manor #3
Jerry 0. Mortensen
Custom flood; Gem Fabricators
Central District Health;
Ada County Commissioners
tion; Gus Hein