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Meridian City Council
November 17, 1980
Minutes of previous meeting approved as read.
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1. Boise City Recreation's Alpine School for juniors -
Siegel Branson from Bogus Basin.
2. Pre -termination Hearing - Kent Anderson - 316 W. Camellia.
3. Hearing - Vacate Settlers Village - Approved.
4. Hearing - Replat Settlers Village - Approved with stipulation that
they work with the Fire Chief to resolve the pressure problem if
the hydrants of economically possible, and that the City Engineer's
comments of letter be taken into consideration.
5. Bud's Broiler - Beer, Wine and Liquor Licenses - Approved.
6. Transfer Beer and Wine License: Farmers Club - from Allan Marsh
to Donald Bennett. Speedway - from MAA to Dairy Show Board. - Approved.
New Beer and Wine License: Time for Two - Approved.
7. Joe Simunich Irrigation problem.
8. Other Business
9. Department Reports
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Regular meeting called to order by Mayor Joseph Glaisyer at 7:40 p.m.
Councilmen present: Richard Williams, Grant Kingsford, Bill Brewer, Rick Orton Jr.
Others present: Vern Schoen, Linda Funaiole, Earl Ward, Roger Welker, Bruce Stuart
Patsy Leach, Gary Smith, Donna L. Day, Bill Blankinship, Norm Noonan,
Roger Sherwin, Norm Williams, Terry P. Smith, Steve Gratton, Bob Keller,
Barb Keller, I. J. Longeteig, Coenraad Abas, Siegel Branson, Joe Simunich.
Minutes of the previous meeting were approved as read.
Siegel Branson - Boise City Recreation - Alpine Ski School for Juniors
Siegel Branson was present to promote the Junior Beginning Program with the Bogus Basin
Ski School. Branson explained that the Boise City program was begun 25 years ago, but
was not authorized until this year for Treasure Valley youth. Mr. Branson has taken over
completely, every beginning skier from the age of six to eighteeen. For $12.00 there is
five two hour lessons. The specific dates were outlined on the brochures, and time possi-
bilities extensive. Bogus Basin Ski School is offering professional lessons by profess-
ional certified ski instructors at one of the finest ski schools in the entire west at
City Recreation prices.
The Caldwell Bus Company will take youth from this area to Bogus Basin and back for $4.00
round trip. There is a $3.00 discount on rental equipment and lift pass.
Branson stated if there was interest, he would need a central sign up point, assistance
with the media, communication with the schools, posters would be put up, brochures and
registration forms would be distributed. To help the City government, he would give a
one dollar feedback for every sign up.
His closing statement was that this program was one of the finest that has been done for
the kids in Treasure Valley and he hoped there would be some interest.
Pre -termination Hearing for delinquent water, sewer and trash bill of Mr. Kent Anderson,
316 W. Camellia.
Mayor Glaisyer: "The Pre -termination Hearing for Mr. Kent Anderson. Is Mr. Anderson in
the audience?"
No response.
Glaisyer: "Mr. Anderson has been informed in writing of his right to a pre -termination
hearing Monday, November 17, 1980, 7:30 p.m. before the Mayor and Council, to appear in
person and retain councel to be judged on facts and defend the claim made by the city that
your water, sewer and trash bill is delinquent. His delinouency amounts to $135.40. I
have a letter to Mr. Anderson stating his termination of water will be on November 2.5, 1980
and he has the right to Fourth Judicial Court to appear if he so wishes."
The Motion was made by Kingsford and seconded by Williams to send the letter to notify Mr.
Kent Anderson, 316 W. Camellia, that water service will be turned off on November 25, 1980,
Motion Carried: Williams, yea; Kingsford, yea; Brewer, yea; Orton, yea.
Hearing - Vacate Settlers Village
Bill Blankinship and Norm Noonan were present to explain purpose of Vacation request. Maps
were displayed.
Blankinship: "To approve our new plat, we have to vacate the old plat." Indicatinq map.
"This is the preliminary of the new plat which ,you have already approved in concept, but
not in fact." Old plat was displayed, rezone and replatting explained. "Originally they
had a zoning line 4-plexes on the left, commercial on the right, and in the process of
this, changed totally to residential and we re -defined, still keeping this same relative
density of units, to a more even denisty. What we have brought you is the actual prelimi-
nary plat, which shows you the types of units and the actual physical platting of them.
Our public hearing at this time is to vacate the old plat.
Noonan: "It was the recommendation of the Planning and Zoning to proceed this way."
Williams: "Was there any public comment regarding the letters sent out for public hearing?
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City Clerk: "No sir. All certified mailing has been verified."
Mayor: "Is there anyone in the audience that would care to comment on the vacation of
Settlers Village Preliminary Plat?"
There was no comment.
The Motion was made by Williams and seconded by Brewer to vacate the original plat of
Settlers Village.
Motion Carried: Williams, yea; Kingsford, yea; Brewer, yeai Orton, yea.
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4 Hearing Settlers Village Preliminary Plat
Mayor Glaisyer opened the public hearing and called for comments from the Building Inspec-
tor, Wastewater Superintendent and Fire Chief.
There was no comments from Schoen and Ward.
Fire Chief Welker: "Same comment as items 2 and 3 as listed on recommendation sheet."
The City Fire Department does not have the equipment to fight fires in a subdivision of
this type. A two-way feed to water mains will be needed, if a line between Jericho and
2 1/2 St., on Fairview breaks, there will be no water in this subdivision. "There is only
one lead in that goes down Jericho and 2 1/2 St. - sometime in the future there will proba•
bly be another lead in."
Blankinship: "Right now the main water line is coming down Fairview, and one water line
headed back to that pump back there - the pumping station - and they are saying sometime
in the future they are recommending that this :is looped on around." Addressing Welker, "Is
that right?"
Welker: "Yes and no. What has happened is that the main is coming in from 2 1/2 and
going up Fairview and when that pump is down out there - you have no water."
Stuart: "When the main's broke - not the vumos."
Welker: "When the main's broke. We haven't a single water line qoing out Fairview."
Mayor: "So for approval, what are ,you asking?"
Welker: "I am asking that he supplies,in the very near future,that this is approved for
a system we can water in from another angle."
Noonan: "You asking that we supply this?"
Welker: "I'm just stating my position - I don't care who supplies it, but you are going
to need water from source if something happens - a tank wagon won't suffice."
Orton: "The master water plan would call for two basic extensions that would effect this,
one, be a possibility in the near future and the other one - be a little bit tougher - the
master plan call for two 10 inch lines, one on each side of Fairview, running down the
length of Fairview. The one that's in now is in the north side, the one on the south side
as Fairview develops is still a possibility. But I don't know how near in the future.
The master water plan would also call for the oversized lines to eventually be tied in the
well site or in the vicinity of Clarene St.,again, that requires develop between here and
there in order to get those oversized lines in."
Blankinship: "Right now the sewer feed is coming down up here, wouldn't that be a likely
place down that easement to loop the water?"
Orton: "Back into the City? Not necessarily."
Mayor: "Any other questions?"
Ward: "What is density?"
Mayor: "The density is actually reduced from what it was before."
Blankinship: "Earl, sometime within the next two weeks we will be backin to you with our
engineering plans - both to you and Roger."
Williams: "Did you get the Ada County Highway District's requirement on compaction of
Jericho resolved?"
Blankinship: "Yes - they have approved it and have already signed."
Welker: "My other point is the pump out there - Bruce can probably explain it better -
there is excessive pressure."
Orton: "I don't know what the problem is - the pressure in that system is obviously below
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150, because that would be what most of the pipes are rated for - probably in the 90 psi
range. What is the 'problem with that as far as fire hydrants go?"
Welker: "When you hook on to the fire hydrant - I don't know what the pressure is - I've
heard it would be too high. Now, you are going to have to restrict that down because I
can't take over a hydrant pressure of 60 lbs., because of the fact you are pumping with a
2 1/2 in. hose."
Welker explained putting a pressure regulator in another line..
Orton: "In opening a fire hydrant though, that's Just a gate valve and by opening to a
lessor extent,you can drop the pressure right at the hydrant."
Welker: "Have you ever worked with a bunch of volunteers?"
Blankinship: "It's my understanding that there is only 80-90 lbs, in that main line
because we have built into the curb water system some restrictors, we don't want more than
60 lbs. a house either."
Orton: "We couldn't pressure regulate the pump because then it won't get the water to the
top of the tank - so that's out. We will have to regulate it at the hydrants - if we feel
that we have to regulate."
Mayor: "Is it a costly venture?"
Orton: "I would say right at $1,800.00 a hydrant - more than the hydrant's worth. A six
inch pressure reducing valve would be in that neighborhood."
Williams: "Weld a stop on the gate valve so that they can't open it so far."
Orton: "A pressure reducing valve does ,just that, it restricts the line, similar to open
of the valve halfway rather than completely."
Williams: "Unfortunately,this sounds like a problem that is not isolated to the fire
hydrants, but will be a problem to the people who build in that area."
Stuart: "In the first plans that come out on Settlers Village, that on each house the
builder put in a pressure reducer."
Blankinship: "Yes - it's built right into the system out there."
Engineer Smith: "I sent a letter to Mr. Noonan along with a blueprint copy and comments
basically checking dimensions, bearings, etc."
Noonan: "We got it and have taken it to heart."
Mayor Glaisyer called for comments fromthe public about the approval for preliminary plat
of Settlers Village. There was none.
The Motion was made by Williams and seconded by Brewer to accept the Preliminary Plat of
Settlers Village with the stipulation that they work with the Fire Chief to resolve the
pressure problem of the hydrants if economically possible; and that the City Engineer's
comments of letter be taken into consideration.
Motion Carried: Williams, yea; Kingsford, yea; Brewer, yea; Orton, yea.
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5 Bud's Broiler - Beer, Wine and Liquor License Renewal
Iver J. Longeteig, attorney, representing Barbra and Bob Keller, managers of Bud's Broiler,
stated, "I think we had a productive session down here a week ago, both sides made their
feelings known to each other. I would like to report that from Bud's point of view, insti-
tuted some changes and we can go a long ways toward alleviating the complaints so that they
can be a little better neighbor in the business community. I was down there this evening
and I noticed on the inside of the front door, they have a sign that says 'Please don't
carry open containers outside'until there is an ordinance within the City,that is the best
they can do, as well as management, towards enforcing that law. They have changed the
lock on the back door so that you can go out but not in. If people want to come in from
other places, they will have to go around and I think this will also alleviate some prob-
lems. They ascertained, by talking to Ruth Crow and the people from War Eagle, a coopera-
tive plan to policing the bank parking lot after hours, so that the banker won't come to
work in the morning to find beer bottles in his parking lot. And, they have been talking
to their own employees about a stronger attitude of disturbances in the bar. I think these
changes of course do not solve 100% of the problems, but a cooperative attitude on their
part and coupled with a cooperative attitude on the part of the City, the citizens, the
police, will result in this place being a fine place to have lunch, beer and dinner. I
had dinner there and I'll testify that is a good one - soon there will be a full service
restaurant open from 6:00 a.m. on and, Eddy Doyle is on there now. I would ask the Council
to seriously consider the motion to renew these licenses."
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Mayor Glaisyer: "Mr. and Mrs. Keller, willyou institute a bouncer system on your weekend
nights - the nights you have your dances?"
Barbra Keller: "The bar no longer considers live music in the back room. If we have any-
thing, it would be more listening type - one piece, we certainly are not looking at hiring
anywhere up to one or two pieces, which basically we are not planning to have dance bands
if we do, it would be strictly for banquets."
Chief of Police: "I have no objection to entertain the motion to renew or reissue."
Mayor: "Police Commissioner?"
Brewer: "I have no comments."
The Motion was made by Orton and seconded by Williams to approve the renewal of Bud's Broi-
ler Beer, Wine and Liquor Licenses."
Motion Carried: Williams, yea; Kingsford, yea; Brewer, yea; Orton, yea
Transfer of Beer and Wine Licenses - Farmers Club and Speedway
New Beer and Wine License - Time for Two
The Motion was made by Kingsford and seconded by Williams to approve transfer of the Beer
and Wine License from Allan Marsh to Don Bennett doing business as Farmers Club; and trans-
fer the Beer License from Meridian Athletic Association to Meridian Dairy Show Board for
the Speedway.
Motion Carried: Williams, yea; Kingsford, yea; Brewer, yea; Orton, yea.
The Motion was made by Kingsford and seconded by Orton to approve the Beer and Wine License
application of Bruce Kuhl dba the Time for Two.
Motion Carried: Williams, yea; Kingsford, yea; Brewer, yea; Orton, yea.
Joe Simunich - Irrigation Problem.
Mr. Simunich stated that someone has cut a hole in Settlers ditch box and the water over-
flows and runs onto his property. He stated that is not the way that system was designed.
Simunich stated, "Since this box was in the City and the City approved the Subdivision, if
somebody would take a look at that irrigation system."
Mayor: "The City has no jurisdiction for this irrigation system. Any time we: make a plat
approval, they are subject to the approval to the Nampa -Meridian Irrigation District."
Simunich: "This is in the Settler's district."
Mayor: "It would be the same for Settlers. We do not have charge of any drainage. Have
you talked to Settlers?"
Simunich: "Yes, they do not know who cut the hole in the box - they have taken a backhoe
and dug a ditch for 150 feet through my property and dumped this water. The ditch man sai
the reason they did it was because it floods back up into Meadowview Subdivision and that
was the easiest way to alleviate the problem - before that, the water ran through an open
ditch and I had no problem with it."
Orton stated he was concerned, but there was very little the Council could do.
Engineer Smith stated Settlers Ditch has a Board of Directors and the approval of this was
done by them.
The Mayor and Council felt that Simunich should go directly to Meadowview developer Ken
Montee.
Other Business
Mayor Glaisyer brought the Urban Boundary and Functional Classification System Map for
Meridian to the Council's attention. Hearings will have to be set up. He stated that
Terry Smith, Chamber of Commerce will get a copy of this.
Department Reports:
Chief of Police: "Meridian is having its first annual Santa Claus Christmas Parade the day
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after Thanksgiving. Fourteen entries,and I have the list of all the units - they will
leave the Dairy Show grounds, the park at 10:00 a.m. and go straight to Cherry Plaza."
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Orton: "Leroy Nelson called again today on using the parking behind the Speedway this
year. I think it is now time to make that decision. The options are - is to let them
use it, maintain status quo and develop those six acres sometime in the future. If we
do let them use it, we should probably let them use if for a full year at a time. The
other option would be to go ahead - develop now, probably our only fund source for that
is Federal Revenue Sharing that hasn't been renewed yet. This racing year could be renewed
on a one year basis again."
Brewer: "I can't see any problem with the use of that for parking on a one year basis, as
far as the Senior Citizens are concerned."
Williams: "As long as we are covered with Vernon regarding the status of the stadium and
the speedway."
Mayor: "Make sure they have the City additionally insured on their liability."
Williams: "I would prefer that they show that liability coverage in other things before
we grant the parking lot."
Orton_` "In other words, you are asking that they come in for year by year approval of
their speedway operation."
Williams: "This is what was set up three years ago."
Orton: "I will call Mr. Nelson and let him know that the Council's amendable to letting
them use that area again this year, but it has to be subject to the whole Speedway opera-
tion."
Orton: "I have a report on a situation that I worked out with Steve and Terry, Chamber of
Commerce, on the landscaped area coming into town where the Chamber has allocated $400.00
to landscape that and since it is such a large area, we felt it needed more landscaping.
The arrangement I've worked out is that we have Federal Revenue Sharing money allocated to
the City park right now and Steve indicated that the Chamber will be willing to undertake
a hand labor project in the City park in the value of approximately $400.00, if we would
allocate about $430.00, in that range, to additional landscaping up on the roadway. That
gives us the same result at the park and doubles the value of our park money."
Williams: "The Mayor has received a letter from Jim Felton, Boise State University,
regarding the use of the old treatment facility for students. They have installed a gas
meter and electricity, and they have done extensive clean up job of that facility - any
council member that has not been out there, I urge to go. With the Council's permission,
or knowledge, I am going to meet with Earl (Ward) and Jim (Felton) regarding the long term
use of that plant - maybe five - ten years. I will bring it before the Council after I've
talked with them."
Williams: "As I said in September, Earl got the plant running to the point of five in
September, and averaged three in October where our permit is twenty. I would like to pub-
licly commend Earl and his staff for their outstanding job on that plant - I am very proud
of those people at the plant, considering this is the first year it has run - you couldn't
ask for any better."
There being no other business to come before the Council, the Motion was made by Kingsford
and seconded by Brewer that the meeting be adjourned at 6:30 p.m.
Motion Carried: Williams, yea; Kingsford, yex,$rewer, yea; Orton, yea
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