1978 07-24n
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AGENDA
MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL - SPECIAL MEETING
JULY 24, 1978
Item:
1. Meridian Greens, Proposed Sewer/Water extension
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2. Resolution #70: AUTHORIZING PUBLICATION OF ESTIMATE
OF EXPENSES OCT. 78-Sept.30, 79
3• Removal of Tower
4. Golf Course Discussion'
5• Roto Rooter Bill (Broken Line)
6. Meridian Place: Preliminary Plat review by Carl Ellsworth
7. Committee to formalize Area of Impact Agreement.
8. Condominium Ordinance discussion (Postponed)
9. City Engineer, Carl Ellsworth
West Pine Sewer cross of Nine Mile Drain
Realignment change for James Court
Rodding & Cleaning
Meridian Cit Hall - S ecial Meetin Jul 24 1 78
Meeting was called to order at 7:45 P.M. by Mayor Don Storey.
Councilmen present: Marvin Bodine; Richard Williams ;Joseph Glaisyer ;Grant Kingsford
Others Present: August M. Hein; Gary Green; Ed Oldham; Bruce Stuart; Herald J. Cox
Richard P. Shults; Wayne Crookston Jr.; M.L. Milhollin; Kevin Ross
Norman G. Fuller; Gene Martin; Georgia Harrington; Steve W. Hosac; Earl Harmon;
Verl G. King; Vern Schoen; Bud Persons; Carl B. Ellsworth
Agenda
1 Meridian Greens: Poposed sewer and water extention.
Steve Hosac was present representing Meridian Greens.
Joseph Glaisyer stated that he preferred to route the utilities down Ten Nile Creek
drainage because he does not want to encourage development to the east across the
freeway. Ten Mile Creek will enhance the building back into the interior of
Meridian which the Comprehensive Plan addresses.
Marvin Bodine stated that because of the proposed shopping center the proposed
route would be the logical decision.
Grant Kingsford stated that it bothered him to make the City long and narrow for
that purpose. He stated that he preferred the Ten Mile drainage thinking it
would fill in the City.
Richard Williams stated that he agreed with Glaisyer on the Ten Mile because the
idea of the Comprehensive Plan is to do infilling and is opposed to leap-frog
Ten Mile would promote a more harmonious growth west of Meridian-Kona Road that
is more contiguous with the City than trying to develop the southeast corner.
As a result, eventually there will be a sewer line that comes over the proposed
route Mr. Hosac has outlined but at this point in time it would not be a benefit
to the City.
Mr. Hosac stated that there are a lot of factors here to be considered.
(1) Cost (2) Timing. We are looking at a difference of about 8000 feet
of sewer line up Ten Mile compared to 3400 feet the other direction, an obvious
difference in cost about half as much line; second we are looking at smaller
lines 18 inch to 15 inch to 10 inch compared to 8000 feet of 21" line.
Additionally, the water line will have to come the proposed route anyway. His
personal feeling is bringing the line up Ten Mile does not necessarily promote
growth in the western area, each development can afford to bring the trunk line
as necessary in that area.
Mr. Hosac stated that he didn't agree that this route was leap frog development.
If you come up Ten Mile you are going to open up an entire area to the south.
The third point was that the proposed route is a gravity flow system and does
not require lift stations in order to sewer all of the first phase of
Meridian Greens. No lift station would be required to sewer all the area between
Overland and the Freeway. The proposed line would help promote the regional
shopping center and the Hon Development, and participation on cost with some of
these developments. In summary the proposed route is more logical, cheaper and
helps more people now. Time and problems of sewer and water easements can be
avoided.
Councilman Glaisyer stated that these are good points but the Ten Mile route
would address back filling within the City limits and the City does not want to
go further east. The City would have to go out of the City limits to get back into
the City limits This is a problem for fire and police which is the City's main
concern.
Mr. Hosac stated that under the Phase III construction there is a 18" line now
and anyone wanting to develop that can get approval can do so now. Whether
we extend the line on one route or another does not make any difference
as far as that's concerned, we are staying closer to the City limits with
the proposed route than the Ten Mile. The other developments do not need them
to bring the route. At this point in time it makes more sense to run the pro-
posed line than a 21" line down Ten Mile. There is no doubt that eventually
a line will come down Ten Mile and part of Meridian Greens will be sewered down
this line.
Meridian Cit Council-S ecial Meetin .2. Jul 24 1978
(cont'd)
Agenda Norman Fuller stated that the Council has not adopted the Comprehensive Plan but
1 the plan does set aside land south of the freeway for a technical industry which
the proposed route would make sewer and water available for. This would make a
good tax base.
Councilman Williams stated that this area is 10 to 20 years down the road,
to promote orderly growth he is not looking for development in this area for the
next 5 to 10 years. If a line is run to the east you are encouraging development
to the east. If it is down Ten Mile there will be infilling because of the
availability of sewer. From the standpoint of orderly progression Ten Mile is a
more logical first step and Nine Mile will eventually come in.
Councilman Bodine stated that if we go east we will square up just as fast as
if we go west unless we go to far east. It is the Subdivider that will determine
if we go east or west, it is not a Council decision.
Mr. Hosac stated that the City has obligated itself to bonds with the new
construction, his philosophy is that this is an opportunity for the City to
receive a sizeable extention of central water and sewer. There are factors to
weigh but Country Terrace and Meridian Greens will follow with the type of
development this City needs to increase it's tax base to help pay off bonds.
It does not occur often where the developer can afford to do these types of
utility extentions at his cost. It would seem that the increase in the tax base
and the fact that the City would get these lines free of charge would be enough
incentive to help the developer anyway they could to make this development a reality.
The cost difference in the lines were discussed in relation to the shopping mall.
Mr. Hosac stated that they will probably be able to get participation in this
line at this time.
The cost in relation to the development was outlined on Phase I.
Mr. Hosac stated that he did not see how the proposed route would promote any
different growth south of the freeway and as a matter of fact, bringing it up
Ten Mile will open more area south of the freeway than the proposed route.
Councilman Glaisyer stated that he was not convinced and would vote to disapprove
it. However, he was open to include more discussion.
Councilman Bodine stated that he felt it was right to go the proposed route past
the shopping center.
Councilman Kingsford stated that he favored the Ten Mile route but did not think
the development should bear the cost.
Mr. Hosac stated that he was not sure the first phase could bear the cost.
Richard Williams stated that he could see Mr. Hosac's point on cost but was
concerned about the southern part of the development and did not want to see any
interim lift facilities, period. When a gravity flow system was available one
way or the other, then the last phases of Country Terrace and Meridian Greens
is stopped. However, the Council will get pressured to get a lift station.
As soon as any one knows about the proposed route the Mayor's door will be beat. down
with annexation requests coming in. From the standpoint of Police and Fire
protection the development will cost more than it will ever bring in at this time.
On that basis he stated that he would like to see infill north of the expressway
before the Council addresses anything south of the expressway. The interstate is
a natural barrier and south of it is not logical growth.
Council Bodine stated that these are the type of developments he would like to see.
Councilman Glaisyer concurred.
Gene Martin asked why everyone considered the interstate a barrier.
Councilman Williams stated that at this point in .time City services to this area
are expensive because of the limited amount of development.
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nrt '~' fity Hall - 4nPOia] Meetin .3• Jul 24, 1978 _
(cont'd)
Agenda Mr. Hosac stated that they were not planning in the short term and discussed the
1 type of people that would be in the development and disagreed that south growth
was not logical. The real point is the project is there and it has been proven
that it will be developed nicely and be a benefit to the City. We have a logical
route for City services less expensive and less problem, and will benefit more
people right now.
Councilman Williams inquired how much it will service.
Mr. Hosac explained the matter. Without a lift, about 80 acres, everything
below the bluff.
Councilman Marvin Bodine moved to go out the proposed route.
Motion died: No second
Mr. Hosac suggested with more time they could ,justify the proposed route and
asked for a time extension.
Councilman Williams moved to table until the August 7th Council meeting
seconded by Grant Kingsford.
Motion passed: Williams, yea; Bodine, yea; Kingsford, yea; Glaisyer, yea.
Mr. Hosac asked what they could do at this point.
Councilman Glaisyer requested a written proposal
Councilman Williams requested information for any future facility if Ten Mile
does not come in.
The matter was discussed.
Mr. Hosac discussed lift stations.
Grant Kingsford stated that he would like the information one week prior to
the August 7th Council meeting.
Agenda
2 The Mayor read Resolution x/70 entitled: A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING PUBLICATION OF
AN ESTIMATE OF THE EXPENSES FOR ALL PURPOSES FOR THE CITY OF MERIDIAN, ADA COUNTY,
IDAHO, FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING THE 1ST DAY OF OCTOBER, 1978, AND ENDING THE
30TH DAY OF SEPTEMBER, 1979, AND GIVING NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING PRIOR TO THE
PASSAGE OF THE ANNUAL APPROPRIATION BILL. (see evidence)
The Motion was made by Grant Kingsford and seconded by Marvin Bodine that
Resolution Number 70 be approved.
Motion passed: Kingsford, yea; Williams, yea; Glaisyer, yea; Bodine, yea
Agenda
3 Removal of the Tower was discussed.
Agenda
4 The Golf Course lease was discussed.
Agenda
5 The billing from Bruce Stuart for the broken line was discussed.
The Mayor stated that he was asking the Council to pay the bill. The Roto Rooter
bill was discussed.
The motion was made by Joseph Glaisyer and seconded by Grant Kingsford to pay the
bill.
Motion passed: Glaisyer, yea; Kingsford, yea; Bodine, yea.
Meridian Cit Council - S ecial Meetin .4. Jul 24 1 78
Agenda
6 Meridian Place Preliminary Plat:
Verl King and Earl Harmon were present representing Meridian Place. Verl King
stated that they are here to review the engineering comments.
Councilman Glaisyer inquired if ammendments had been made on the covenants.
Mr. King answered not as yet.
Glaisyer inquired into the market range of the homes.
Mr. King answered $40,000.
Councilman Glaisyer stated the square footage shows 1050 minimum. He stated the
square footage should be increased. He inquired if there were to be garages.
Mr. Harmon stated no.
Mr. Harmon stated that there is no problem with increasing the size of the houses
or ammending the restrictive covenants. The intended size is to be 1150 to 1200
square feet and up but we do not intend to build 75,000 dollar houses.
Councilman Glaisyer stated that the City would like to see $60,000 range.
The Mayor asked if this development was farm home. Mr. Harmon stated no, that it
would be FHA, VA, or commercial. Mr. Harmon stated that he is going to develop the
lots and construct the houses and sell the houses.
Councilman Glaisyer asked how many floor plans there would be.
Mr. Harmon stated that they will not be limited to a cookie cutter situation at all,
the projection is that they will build a model house projected at 1850 square feet.
We have total control over the size because we are building. Mr. Harmon stated
they would raise the square footage to whatever the Council recommended and ask
for a base figure.
Councilman Glaisyer stated that he would feel confortable with 1350 square feet.
The cost per square foot was discussed and the market.
The Mayor asked if the houses east of Middleton was developed by them.
Mr. Harmon answered yes.
The Mayor stated that he was not impressed with the development.
Mr. Harmon asked if 1350 was the square footage the Council was requiring.
Joesph Glaisyer stated yes, Bodine concurred and statedit would benefit everyone.
Grant Kingsford agreed.
Councilman Glaisyer inquired if garages were included in the protective covenants.
Mr. Harman stated that he did not see it.
Mayor Storey stated that he is concerned with the quality of the houses going in
and felt quality housing should be addressed. He stated that he is opposed to
law quality houses.
Councilman Bodine concurred.
Mr. Harmon stated that they did not have any problem with this.
He also stated that Attorneys and Safeco Title Company had looked at the convenants
and had no problem adding to them. Every house will have a one car garage.
Marvin Bodine inquired about off-street parking.
Mayor Storey asked if this will have just one stall for off-street parking.
Councilman Glaisyer stated that he is against just a one car garage because of all
the recreational vehicles in Idaho, snomobiles, mobile homes, etc.
The Mayor stated we have to get them off the street.
Mr. Harmon agreed and asked if the Council wanted two car garages. He stated
he did not realize there were so many questions.
Councilman Glaisyer stated that he would like to see a time stipulation of
ninety (90) days between the sale date of the house and the time they start with
landscaping on the house.
Mr. Harman stated that he didn't have any problem with this because they were
toying with including the landscaping on the front of the house. The next time
we come in you will see that we are building a quality subdivision.
Meridian City Ha11-Special Meeting .5. Jul
(cont'd)
Agenda Off-street parking on Cfi'Ildesac was stated.
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Carl Ellsworth stated that there was some concern with meeting the ordinances.
All are concerned with access to other property, this is a City policy to provide
access. You do not want to landlock someone. Mr. Ellsworth pointed out on the
plat access points. Double frontage lots need a variance in Phase II.
Access is the major point.
Roger Welker, Fire Chief,stated the Culdesac was a 45 foot radius so there could not
be any off street parking.
The house set-back was discussed he Mayor stated houses have to conform.
Vernon Schoen, Building Inspector, stated that they all have to be 20 foot back,
minimum. If further tRney have to conform.
The Motion was made by Joseph Glaisyer and seconded by Grant Kingsford that
Meridian Place Preliminary Plat be approved contingent on the Council recommendations
and those of J-U-B Engineers, Inc.
Motion passed Kingsford, yea; Bodine, yea; Glaisyer, yea.
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Committee to formalize Area of Impact Agreement:
The Mayor read the letter received from the Ada County Commissioners (see evidence)
Mayor Storey appointed the Committee:
Council Members: (1) Richard Williams
(2) Joseph Glaisyer
(3) Grant Kingsford
P & Z Members: (1) Don Sharp
Area of Impact (1) Ted Hepper
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The Motion was made byMarvin Bodine and seconded by Grant Kingsford to accept the
recommendations.
Motion passed: Kingsford, yea; Bodine, yea; Glaisyer, yea.
The Mayor inquired about the status of the Condominium Ordinance. It was postponed
pending information still to come in.
9 City Engineer, Carl Ellsworth, reported on West Pine Sewer to cross Nine Mile Drain.
He reported that he had found someone to put the connection in at a cost of $2,000.
J-U-B Engineers, Inc. estimated the cost of $1,500. Mr. Ellsworth had talked to
EDA and it would be under the project if it passed the audit and money was available.
The leak on West Pine and the leak on Franklin was discussed.
Mr. Ellsworth asked for authority to negotiate the project, not to exceed $2,000.
The authority was granted
Carl Ellsworth reported on the realignment change for James Court.
Galey submitted a letter £or $6,700.00 for two days work.
The Mayor stated that we should not be responsible for an A and C problem.
He stated that the City will meet with representatives from A & C Corporation.
Mr. Ellsworth stated that they had the easement documents.
Mayor Storey stated that he is upset with the infiltration into the sewer line.
Ellsworth stated that Rodding and Cleaning will be in town shortly to re-inspect
the lines.
The matter was discussed.
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Councilman Glaisyer moved to adjo~xrn Meeting snood adjourne/~t 9:40 P.M.
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RESOLUTION NO, 70
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING PUBLICATION OF AN ESTIMATE OF TIIE EXPENSES
FOR ALL PURPOSES FOR THE CITY OF MERIDIAN, ADA COUNTY, IDAHO, FOR.
THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING THE 1ST DAY OF OCTOBER, 1978, AND EP~DING
THE 30TH DAY OF SEPTEMBER, 1979, AND GIVING'NOTICE OF PUBLIC
HEARING PRIOR TO THE PASSAGE OF THE ANNUAL APPROPRIATION BILL.
BE IT RESOLVED BY THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF
MERIDIAN, ADA COUNTY, IDAHO:
Section 1. That the following classified estimate of the
probable amount of money necessary to be raised for all purposes
in the City of Meridian, Ada County, Idaho, for the fiscal year
of Septmber, 1978-1979 be published in the Valley News, a publica-
tions beginning with tkte issue of July 26, 1~,-and August 2, 1978,
and the Notice of Public hearing on said estimate and probable
levy required to raise said sum be published therewith.
Section 2. That a statement of the probable revenue of the
City of Merician for the 1978-1979 fiscal year is as follows:
Payments for Services------------------------$ 60,500.00
Franchise payments--------------------------- 16,000.-00
Permits and Licenses----^----------^--------- 48,732.00
Court Revenue__________________..__-____-_-_-- 20,000,00
Federal Shared Revenue----------------------- 54,600.00
Taxes and Penalties-------------------------- 252,150.00
Sundry Sources------------------------------- 33,100.00
Enterprise, Water & Sewer-------------------- 364,634.00
Liquor Apportionment------------------------- 20,000.00
Budget "A" Total-----------------------------5869,716.00
Budget "B" Total---------------------------$3,600,000.00
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FITZGERALD &
CROOKSTON
ATTORN EYS AND
COUNSELORS
Total-------------$4,469,716.00
Section 3. That the probable amount necessary for all
for the City of Meridian for the said fiscal year ending Se
30, 1979, is as follows:
City Council_________________________________$ 12,000.00
Administrative Expense----------------------- 31,080.00
Office Expense------------------------------- None
Health & Accident, All Funds----------------- 20,745.00
Public Employees Retirement, All Funds------- 21,371.00
Supplemental Accident, All Funds------------- 5,055.00
Elections and Miscellaneous------------------ None
Social Security, All Funds------------------- 18,278.00
Federal Unemployment------------------------- 2,000.00
Other Salaries General----------------------- 21,450.00
Office Equipment----------------------------- 2,500.00
Legal Fees----------------------------------- 9,000.00
Other General Government--------------------- 19,000.00
Printing----------^-------------^------------ 2,500.00
General Government Buildings----------------- 6,000.00
Police Office Administration----------------- 22,860.00
Police Patrolmen----------------------------- 51,840.00
Police Office---------------------^---------- 3,200.00
Police Investigator-------------------------- 20,134,00
Police Traffic Control----------------------- 40,000,00
Police Telephone---------------------------^- 1,5.00,00
Police Communications------------------------ 1,600.00
Police Personnel Training & Reserves--------- 3,000.00
Police School Patrol------------------------- 12,960.00
Police School Patrol Equipment--------------- 500,00
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Animal Control and Shelter-----~----------------$
Fire Control_____________,._--_„-__.-T_--„_-._--~-
Building inspections----------------------~-----
Electrical Inspections--------------------------
Emergency Services---------~--~~--~--~-~-~-~-~--,--
Street Lighting-_-...,_.,,._.,.,_---------~-__,.-..~_---
Public Works Administration---------------------
Public Works Engineering and Service------------
Trash Disposal and Site-------------------------
Other Government Functions----------------------
Recreation Grounds------------------------------
Recreation Playgrounds Construction-------------
Recreation Programs-----------------------------
Water Administration----------------------------
Sewer Administration----------------------------
Water Pumping-----------------------------------
Sewer Lift and Pumping--------------------------
Sewer Surface Pumping---------------------------
Water Treatment---------------------------------
Sewer Treatment Plant---------------------------
Water Customer Accounts-------------------------
Sewer Customer Accounts-------------------------
General Capital Outlay--------------------------
Recreation Capital Outlay-----------------------
Reserve for year of 1975------------------------
Coupons for year of 1975------------------------
Bonds for year of 1975--------------------------
Fire, 4, R. U.----------------------------------
9,000,00
16,778,Q0
13,500.00
:.8,000,00
None
.15,000.00
None
6,000.00
8,000.00
99,342.00
10,000.00
6,552.00
6,000,00
27,000,00
15,240.00
17,000.00
3,000.00
1,500.00
None
20,000.00
49,980,00
10,000.00
None
None
40,800.00
170,607.00
25,000.00
4,126.00
Total Budget "A"--------------------------------$ 910,998.00.
EPA-EDA City Construction, Budget "B"----------- 3,600,000.00
Total Budget-----------$4,510,998.00
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Section 4. That the assessed valuation of the said City of
Meridian is $12,111,498.00.
tion bill.
Section 5. Notice is hereby given that the estimated expenses
and apprgpriation therefor, as herein set forth, will require a
levy for general reserve and municipal purposes for the City of
Meridian of not to exceed 35 mills on the dollar, and in compliance
with Section 50-1003, Idaho Code, the Mayor and the City Council
will hold a public hearing on August 21, 1978, at 7;30 p.m., at
which time any person interested may appear and protest such pro-
posed estimate and levy prior to the passage of an annual appropria-
PASSED by the City Council and approved by the Mayor of the
City of Meridian, this 24th day of July, 1978.
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