1986 05-05•
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MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL
MAY 5, 1986
ITEM:
MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING HELD APRIL 21,
1. PUBLIC HEARING: VARIANCE REQUEST BY THOMAS
FOOT FENCE:
2. PRE-TERMINATION HEARING: WATER/SEWER/TRASH
3. APPROVE THE BILLS:
4. TRANSFER OF BEER & WINE LICENSE FROM ELIXA:
CLUB WHOLESALE CONCEPTS, INC.
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1986: (APPROVED)
PINKLEY FOR SIX
(APPROVED)
DELINQUENCIES: (TURN OFF
LIST APPROVED)
(APPROVED)
Et INDUSTRIES TO
(APPROVED)
5. DEPARTMENT REPORTS:
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MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MAY 5, 1986
Regular Meeting of the Meridian City Council called to order by Mayor
Grant Kingsford at 7:30 p.m.:
Members Present: Bill Brewer; Ron Tolsma; Bert Myers; Bob Giesler:
Others Present: Members of Scout Troup # 190, Kevin Robertson, Bob
Wherry, Mo Alidjani, Kenny Bowers, Bob Spencer, Bob Mitich, Wayne
Crookston, Thomas Pinkley, Marvin Johnson, Paula Kober, Cal Perman
Don Haas:
Mayor Kingsford extended a welcome to Scout Troup ~190 who were in
attendance.
The Motion was made by Tolsma and seconded by Myers to approve the
minutes of the previous meeting held April 21, 1986 as written:
Motion Carried: All Yea:
Item #l: Public Hearing: Variance Request for six foot fence:
Mayor Kingsford opened the Public Hearing:
Thomas Pinkley, 2772 NW 15th St, Mr. Pinkley was sworn by Attorney
Crookston:
Pinkley, I received the comments that were made on this application
and the first one that was made was that the fence was already erect-
ed and part of it had been built, the situation I came across was
that I did not know we even had to have a permit. We have talked to
several people in the area and they do not see it as a hazzard. They
do not see it blocking the view at that corner as when they come to
that corner they have to slow down as it is only two houses to the
next turn down. Most of them said it did not obstuct their view at
all. The residents do not drive over the speed limit as there is lots
of children in this area and anybody that lives in there or even comes
into this subdivision no matter what time of day sees children, so
they are cautious and driving slow and looking for ~Children. If we
build twenty feet back we lose most of our yard, we want the yard
for our cYiildren and if we have a three foot fence all the children
do is climb.up and over the fence. We want this fence for the saftey
of our children and do not want it to pose a safet~ hazzard as far
as driving.
Marvin Johnson, 1471 Darrah, Mr. Darrah was sworn by Attorney Crookston:
Johnson, I do not see anything wrong with the six foot fence or even
a twelve foot fence, I agree with Mr. Pinkley if you have a three foot
fence the children just climb over it and throw junk in your yard. Let
the man have the fence.
Paula Kober, 1484 Darrah, Mrs. Kober was sworn by Attorney Crookston:
Kober, I have three small children, I also work full time and there is
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no way that their fence blocks the road that you can not see traffic
coming from three different directions. It is definately an improve-
ment to the neighborhood, the fence adds to the neighborhood and I
do not see where it would do any damage to allow them to have it.
A three foot fence does not do you any good, I think they should be
allowed to have the six foot fence.
Cal Perman, 1481 Darrah, Mr. Perman was sworn by Attorney Crookston:
Perman, Everyone is cautious about how they drive because of the
children in the neighborhood, I do not see how the fence could be
obstuctive, I do not see any problem with this.
Don Haase, 1461 Darrah, Mr. Haase was sworn by Attorney Crookston:
Haase, if that was a through intersection then there could be a problem
with people going fast both directions but it is not it is actually
a t-intersection and they have to slow to make either a right or
left turn there anyway, I go around the loop a lot tivhen I go to work
in the morning and I can not see where the fence cuts down on the
vision, you are in more danger of children running out from a car,
there is no justification of that being a hazzard traffic wise on
that intersection.
There were no other comments from the audience, Mayor Kingsford closed
the Public Hearing: Any questions or comments from the Council?
Mayor Kingsford, I have some real concerns about the safety, driving
into the subdivision I have no problems, when we went up and made a
loop and came back out there were some problems seeing and I had to
look through that corne; that did not bother me quite as much as
when I turned up into 15th on the culdesac and turned around and came
back out, I have some real concerns we will see an accident out there.
Giesler, I have been out there looking at that situation a couple of
times, this is the busiest area of the subdivision, being a corner
lot I realize there is not much privacy and a nice tall fence would
be nice, I have no problem with the residents of the subdivision who
are familar with the subdivision it is the ones who would be coming
in there for the first time, if there was a stop sign on fifteenth
to make sure people stopped it.would make it better. The fence looks
very nice but I do have a problem with it as I had to get the front
of the car out in the road to see past the fence.
Sergeant Robertson, I am not concerned with the residents, one of
our problems in Meridian is our intersections are open intersections
there is no traffic control devices, the concern I have is entering
Claire from 15th is you have to be almost into the intersection to
see down Claire, my concern are the poeple not familiar with the
subdivision, the stop sign might be a solution.
Brewer, I have a problem with it, I would maybe like to see us make a
compromise if possible. We have to look at the liability when we
approve something of this nature to other residents of the City.
Mayor Kingsford, Mr. Pinkley would you be willingly to maybe drop the
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last post off so that it went even with the back of your house, this
would extend the sight triangle about fifteen feet across there. I
would feel more comfortable with this.
Pinkley, how about cutting one post and angling at a forty-five. Mr.
Pinkley illustrated on the map what this would be. This would make
the fence along the street eight feet shorter. There was discussion on
this.
Mayor Kingsford, I would like to offer up this suggestion to the
Council, that we go ahead and approve a Variance conditionary on
maybe the City Engineer and one of the Councilman going out there
and reviewing to see if this proposal of a forty-five would work or
if they need to go back to the corner of the house.
The stop sign was discussed on 15th Street.
The Motion was made by Brewer and seconded by Tolsma that Councilman
Giesler and whoever he wants to go out with him, suggesting though
that the City Engineer and a Policeman, to look at the possibilities
and consider Mr. Pinkley's forty-five degree idea and if that meets
their feelings as far as the safety is concerne~. conditionerly on
this the Variance be granted.
Motion Carried: Al1 Yea:
Item #2: Pre-Termination Hearing: Water/Sewer/Trash Delinguencies:
Mayor Kingsford, You have been informed in writing, if you choose to,
you have the right to a pre-termination hearing before the Mayor and
Council, to be appear in person to be judged on facts and defend the
claim made by the City that your water, sewer and trash bill is del-
inquent. You may retain Counsel. Is there anyone present who wishes
a hearing? There was no response. Due to their failure to pay their
water bill or present any valid reason why the bill has not been paid,
their water shall be shut off on May 13, 1986. In order to have their
water turned back on, there will be an additional fee of $10.00. They
are hereby informed that they may have the decision of the City
reviewed by the Fourth Judicial District Court, pursuant to Idaho Code.
Even though they appeal their water will be shut off.
The Motion was made by Tolsma and seconded by Giesler to approve the
turn off list.
Motion Carried: All Yea:
Mayor Kingsford announced the amount of the delinquencies was.$7,-019.50.
Item #3: Approve the Bills:
The Motion was made by Giesler and seconded by Myers to approve the
bills:
Motion Carried: All Yea:
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Item #4: Transfer of Beer & Wine License: Exlir Industries to Club
Wholesale Concepts, Inc.
Mayor Kingsford, this item is name change only, Sergeant Robertson,
does the Police Department have any problem with this?
Sergeant Robertson, we have checked this out and find no problems.
The Motion was made by Myers and seconded by Tolsma to approve the
transfer of the beer and wine license from Exlir Industries to Club
Wholesaie Concepts, Inc.
Motion Carried: All Yea:
Mo Alidjani came before the Council to ask their opinion on his
establishment of Used Car & Truck Lot on Franklin Road.
Mayor Kingsford advised Mr. Alidjani this would take a Conditional
Use Permit and he should visit with Councilman personally for their
thinking on this.
Being no other business to come before the Council the Motion was
made by Myers and seconded by Brewer to adjourn at 8:04 p.m.:
Motion Carried; All Yea:
(TAPE ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS)
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