2024-02-27 Work Session Meridian City Council Work Session February 27, 2024.
A Meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order at 4:30 p.m. Tuesday,
February 27, 2024, by Mayor Robert Simison.
Members Present: Robert Simison, Joe Borton, Luke Cavener, Liz Strader, John
Overton, Anne Little Roberts and Doug Taylor.
Members Absent: Joe Borton.
Others Present: Chris Johnson, Bill Nary, Caleb Hood, Brian McClure, Heather Hill,
Scott Colaianni, Kenny Bower and Dean Willis.
ROLL-CALL ATTENDANCE
X Liz Strader Joe Borton
_X_Anne Little Roberts _X_ John Overton
_X_ Doug Taylor _X—Luke Cavener (4:55 p.m.)
X Mayor Robert E. Simison
Simison: Council, we will call the meeting to order. For the record it is February 27th,
2024 at 4:32 p.m. We will begin this afternoon's work session with roll call attendance.
ADOPTION OF AGENDA
Simison: Next item up is adoption of the agenda.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: It looks like we need to remove Item 7, 8 and 13. So, with those changes
move that we adopt the agenda as amended. With the amended.
Little Roberts: Second.
Simison: Have a motion and a second to adopt the agenda as amended. Is there any
discussion? If not, all in favor signify by saying aye? Opposed nay? The ayes have it
and the agenda is adopted as amended.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. TWO ABSENT.
CONSENT AGENDA [Action Item]
1. Approve Minutes of the February 13, 2024 City Council Work Session
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2. Approve Minutes of the February 13, 2024 City Council Regular
Meeting
3. Kiddie Academy Water Main Easement (ESMT-2024-0026)
4. TM Center Subdivision No. 2 Sanitary Sewer and Water Main
Easement (ESMT-2024-0034)
5. Elevate Franklin Sanitary Sewer Easement No. 1 (ESMT-2024-0029)
6. Elevate Franklin Storage Water Main Easement No. 1 (ESMT-2024-
0030)
7. Movado Village Subdivision Sanitary Sewer and Water Main
Easement No. 1 (ESMT-2024-0035)
8. Movado Village Subdivision Sanitary Sewer and Water Main
Easement No. 2 (ESMT-2024-0036)
9. Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law for Kleiner Adjacent
Subdivision (H-2023-0059) by Brighton Development, Inc., located at
Northeast corner of N. Records Way and E. Fairview Ave.
10. Final Order for Artisan Victory Market (FP-2023-0026), by Judy
Schmidt, Bailey Engineering, located at 2820, 2910, 2960, 2990 and
3020 S. Eagle Rd.
11. Final Order for Slatestone Subdivision No. 1 (FP-2023-0028) by
Ardurra, located at 2707 S. Stoddard Rd.
12. Easement Agreements Between the City of Meridian and Ada County
Highway District for Ustick Rd., Black Cat Rd. to Ten Mile Rd. (Project
No. 522025.001)
13. Development Agreement (Crowley Park Subdivision H-2023-0053)
Between City of Meridian and Gilbert RE Holdings, LLC for Property
Located at 4135 W. Cherry Ln.
14. Resolution No. 24-2439: A resolution vacating three feet of an eight-
foot side yard existing public utility and Whitecliffe Estates
Homeowner's Association pressure irrigation and lot drainage
easement covering a portion of Lot 8, Block 4 of Whitecliffe Estates
Subdivision No. 3, being more particularly described in Exhibit "A";
and providing an effective date
Simison: Next item up is the Consent Agenda.
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Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Move that we approve the revised Consent Agenda. So, we had removed
Items 7, 8 and 13. For the Mayor to sign and Clerk to attest.
Little Roberts: Second.
Simison: Have a motion and a second to approve the revised Consent Agenda. Is
there any discussion? If not, all in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay? The
ayes have it and the Consent Agenda is agreed to as amended.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. TWO ABSENT.
ITEMS MOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA [Action Item]
Simison: The items that were moved we are not moved from the Consent Agenda,
They are moved off the agenda.
DEPARTMENT / COMMISSION REPORTS [Action Item]
15. 2024 Roadway, Intersection and Community Program Prioritization
Simison: So, we will move on to Item 15, which is Department/Commission Reports
and that item is 2024 Roadway Intersection and Community Program Prioritization.
Turn this over to Mr. Hood.
Hood: Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council. It's my pleasure to be before
you this afternoon. Before I get into the agenda item any further I was able to introduce
you to most of her just before the meeting, but Heather Hill is our new coordination
planner. So, she just started yesterday. So, this is day two for her. But you will see her
likely next year doing this. So, she -- transportation is going to be one of her main
charges. So, I have asked her to attend today, not only to meet you all, but to start to
hear and get integrated into our priorities and the integration -- integrated five work plan.
She's actually on Brian McClure's team, so Brian is here as well. But, anyways, that's
just a little bit of background. But for now you can direct your questions to me and I
think I will just -- I will dive in. I will also say -- I believe Kristy Inselman from ACHD --
so, we had the joint meeting with the Ada County Highway District and their board here
at the end of January. Kristy I believe is also on the line. If there are questions or
something you have of her I think she is tracking. So, I envision being able to address
anything that may come up, but I did want to shout out Kristy anyways and let you know
that she is a resource potentially if needed. So, annually the city does prepare and
present to the Ada County Highway District a list of transportation priorities for them to
consider. It's not the only reason we go through this exercise of coming up with priority
lists. We use them throughout the year for various purposes. A lot of times when we
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are talking to citizens, business owners about what the status is of a project we use the
same spreadsheet and can call on it and see where it ranks with the city and where it's
at in process with ACHD. But one of the principal -- principal reasons to prepare these
-- this list annually is to have ACHD consider it in their integrated five year work plan
and budget process. So, they are kicking that off. They have given us until March 15th
to send any considerations that we are asking them to make in this year's budget and
programming process. So, maybe just a little bit of background information to share
here. I'm going to jump back up a little bit. So, there are several things that are
considered by ACHD in their programming methodology as you can see on the diagram
and it's in the memo for the workshop today, not the least of which are congestion and
safety. But you can see some other ones. Level of traffic stress is five percent. The
one I wanted to highlight and why we are here today is a substantial portion of what
ACHD considers is cities, school districts, priorities from their constituents. So, this is
not insignificant. Fifteen percent of a project's value at ACHD is based on our priority
list. Some of that is considered already by our Transportation Commission. So, they
play a large role and that's actually in their -- their charge is to produce annually this list
for you to consider and, then, send on to ACHD. They review the level of service map,
which I also had -- and you had a map in your packet that we can call on if you would
like to and crashes -- we work with police department quite a bit to see safety and safety
concerns with a lot of these projects. So, we can dig into some of those if you have
questions on any particular project and look at where a certain corridor or an
intersection may score. I will just let you know -- and this -- for some of you this is new,
some it is a refresh, but it's really the top ten projects that gets the points at ACHD. I
believe I have an exhibit, too, for that. So, Projects 11 through 60 matter, right, and
that's the cue to get into the top ten, but it really is your top ten projects that matter most
and even just a finer point on that, the top ten projects that are not already programmed
are the most important. So, new this year ACHD has asked -- asked us to come up with
two different lists. One is a program list where it's already working its way through
ACHD's process to design, purchase the right of way and construct. The other list is
ones where they maybe haven't looked at it and haven't scoped it and it doesn't rank
high enough yet to get to that point of, again, design, right of way and construction. So,
really have asked us to focus in and what I'm asking you to do is focus in on the not
programmed list more, because that's really where these points are going to be more
important as we -- the top few of those get, hopefully, into the programmed list. That's
really where you want to be is you want to be on the to do list, not lingering on the not --
not programmed yet list. So, I will run through that with you I think here. What I want to
also call your attention as I go, then, to the spreadsheet -- so, within each one of those
so you can see it on the tabs here, we got programmed and not programmed. Maybe I
will even just start with the programmed. There is not a whole lot to call out there. But
even within this spreadsheet there is roadways and intersections. So, these are CIP
eligible projects. So, they are eligible for impact fees. They add capacity to the
roadways and you can use development impact fees to do these projects. The other
list, which is on the same spreadsheet, are community programs projects. So,
collectors, local roadways, crossings, gaps and sidewalks, those types of things are
your community programs types of projects. So, roadways and intersections that are
impact fee eligible. So, largely we are talking about section line arterial roadways are
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CIP eligible. Oh, I'm not sharing the screen? Thank you. Yeah. I just shared the
window. I'm sorry. So -- so, again, roadways and intersections, there is two -- two
different types of projects on one spreadsheet. Community programs -- again, sorry, I
didn't have the visual to follow along with my words, but two -- two lists, again, largely
arterial roadways are CIP impact fee eligible projects and, then, the other lesser roads
and gap types of projects that are on your community programs projects. So, for this
year -- and I can -- I can slow down if you would like. What you see in the second to the
furthest left column, the 2023 ranking -- so, that's last year's ranking and, then, 2024 is
what the Transportation Commission is proposing to you this evening. So, you can see
the change year over as recommended to you by the Transportation Commission.
Again, there is not a whole lot on this programmed, because, again, I'm not trying to --
we are not counting chickens until they hatch necessarily, but these ones are in good
shape for the most part. ACHD is working them through, they have got money for and
they are working into the program. They are in the program to design and construct.
There were a couple of minor changes, but very minor for this list of projects. I will
pause, because Council Woman Strader looks like she has a question.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Thank you. Yeah. I thought it was probably worth asking a couple questions
before we get into the details. I think the format of this is what threw me off, because it
was on ACHD's letterhead and so it was sort of -- it was confusing to me whether the
priority ranking were their priorities or our priorities. So, was the 2023 priority ranking
our previous priority or their priority?
Hood: Mr. Mayor, Council Woman Strader, good question. I'm sorry I didn't make that
clear in the memo and spreadsheet. I will answer your question. I will justify why it
looks this way first, though, I think. ACHD has asked us to use this format. They want it
back in the same way. So, this did come from them. We added the -- the numbers in
the 2024 priority, but those are ours. There was some discrepancy in the 2023. There
is a couple of duplications in -- in some of the numbers and some of them I think were
reversed somehow, but I didn't spend a whole lot of time ground truthing that they are
listed in the correct order. The numbers of them, though, I'm not quite sure what
happened in some of the numbering. But the order that they sent it to us before we
started moving things around was 2023's ranking from the city to them and, then, they
sent it back to us in this format.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Yeah. And I think where it threw me for a loop. I understand that they have
this request to receive two different prioritizations. I think what bothers me about that is
we have our priorities. We have high priorities that are not on their programmed list and
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some that are and I feel like it's a little bit cleaner to sort of just sort out what are our
priorities and if -- if a priority is not programmed that sure seems like a problem. It's
something that should be highlighted, instead of sort of relegated to like a secondary
list. So, that -- that's my -- I guess I have kind of a philosophical struggle with their
request. Maybe it's worth trying to suss that out. So, like one thing I was trying to figure
out was, okay, if something was, you know, ranked number three on the program list,
how could it also be number three on the not programmed list? Do you see what I'm
saying? That's a little bit confusing.
Hood: Mr. Mayor. That's what I was saying with some of the numbers are off, but the
list in which they sent it back to us -- the order of the priority didn't change, although it
was one unified list last year. I don't know how they got two number threes as an
example. They have separated, though, to your -- to your comment and the
Transportation Commission didn't unify those. So, yes, there is not a city wide priority
list irregardless of funding status; right? I mean that's -- that's really what you would like
to see and I think we can do that. I don't know -- and we can do that after the fact, too.
This how ACHD wants it back. I can take this back to the Transportation Commission
and they can, you know, put the list back together into one and we can use it for that.
That's why I said, this isn't just for ACHD, we use these for other purposes. So, if that's
more valuable to Council and the rest of us to see -- give us one through 120, 1 don't
care where ACHD is at with the -- we do, but -- but that's irrelevant for our purposes.
We just want to see where all roads and intersections -- how they -- they play out
whether they are funded or not.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: I think it would be great to hear from the rest of the Council that's present on
that. From my perspective I think it's more valuable to formulate our priorities period
and, then, we could provide that as an attachment with whatever format ACHD needs it
in, but I think like starting from the place of this -- these are our priorities and a
consolidated list might be a more productive way to talk about it. That's just my two
cents and I don't think that will stop us from getting into the details, because to your
point we do still have the order and I think people will have comments on the more
detailed things, but that's just me, but I will let everybody else comment.
Taylor: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Taylor.
Taylor: So, just a -- Caleb and any Members of the Council who have been here, I --
maybe it's because I'm new. Am I to understand, then, that we -- and when we are
identifying our priorities we don't kind of have just like the city list. We are kind of
plugging in priorities within the ACHD list or do we actually have our own list that we
prioritize and get like new guy question I guess, so --
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Hood: I can answer that, Mr. Mayor, I think. Hopefully. So, historically we have had
one list and, then, one of the columns will say -- well, in fact, you can see it here. You
know, where is -- where is it currently at in the integrated five year work plan is just
information. It's not -- doesn't show up on this list or that list. It's just part of the overall
priority list. Again, new this year ACHD has said we are giving you these. These ones
we are already working on, so don't spend so much time on those, because we are
already working on them. Really focus on your not programmed ones in the top few
that they can, then, hopefully sooner rather than later, make it onto the program list.
There is value, though, in doing one big list. So, you can see, again, number, you know,
one here maybe just as important as number one on the program list. It -- it -- my two
cents we need to send ACHD back this. We can also again develop, though, a -- a
master list like we have in the past that has all of them and they are all pitted against
each other irregardless of -- of funding status.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: So, we -- we use -- we have always done that. We have always had our list
with our priorities. This is just a change driven my ACHD's request to receive something
in a certain format. That's what I'm struggling with. Change is hard. It's very part -- a
piece of it. But I do think it's nice to see all of our priorities in one place, but --
Hood: And I will just say, Mr. Mayor, if I can. Again, we can do that. In the interest of
time -- in the next couple of weeks, though, I would propose we -- it doesn't change. I
mean -- well, I don't know what the overall priority is, but ACHD is not going to care what
our overall project priority list is. They really only care about -- particularly the not
programmed list. Now, the cover letter -- this is where I will also roll in, typically we
attach a cover letter to this and maybe there are some projects on the not programmed
list that we really want to highlight and say, you know, we -- if we were to just -- you
know, or we would prefer to send a list that has all of our -- our priorities and our top 50
are the ones you -- you know, you fund first, not -- anyways there is an opportunity to
put a narrative to this, too. I would just caution us I think a little bit in trying to do the
overall priority before March 15th, because I -- that seems like a lot of back and forth
with 120 projects to figure out what -- if number 17 on the not programmed is higher
than number 40 on the programmed or not.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Yeah. I guess I'm kind of a little bit struggling with that, too. I guess, you
know, we have our list, though, from last year. That was just one list; right? So, I guess
I'm not understanding why we couldn't just take last year's list and kind of marry these
lists together. It seems like the struggle is that ACHD has actually assigned a different
prioritization. It seems like there is sort of methodology where the numbers don't match,
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but I -- certainly number, you know, 103 1 don't think is as important as like, you know,
the top like 30, for example. So, maybe there is a way to consolidate it. I don't know.
I'm just talking out loud, but that was my first piece of feedback was I was sort of
struggling with that -- this sort of change in format.
Hood: And I will be honest -- Mr. Mayor, Council Woman Strader. We struggled with
that, too. But I have come to the realization that ACHD doesn't care, you know, that
they really just -- this is how they -- they need to make their sausage. But, again, I think
there is value in -- in doing that.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: So, just in the interest of time, because we want to I think give you valuable
feedback tonight and certainly it seems like this conversation wouldn't be over tonight,
but, you know, do you want us to, then, focus on the not programmed list for the first --
to try to get your feedback. Okay. Did you -- Mr. Mayor, I apologize. I don't know if
Caleb had additional presentation before we kind of get into the meat.
Simison: I think he did.
Hood: I was just going to highlight a few of those. So, I'm going to -- I will jump back to
the program list. There really isn't a whole lot to highlight for you here. So, again,
nothing really changed. So, forget the number to some degree. The -- the name of the
project and its order did not change, but just slightly from the Transportation
Commission for this year. So, largely the program list they said there is not a whole lot
of jockeying amongst -- amongst those. I don't have anything to call to your attention
there for roadways and intersections. Maybe the only thing that didn't change is the
only projects that aren't actually -- that are programmed, but are in the future are -- are
these two intersections that are very high on our priority list, but their existing five by
seven or -- or larger intersections that really just need to be blown out and they are very
complex, but they are better than the stop controlled intersections that we have
throughout some of the rest of our city and area of city impact. So, everything else on
the programmed list is, again, moving through the process. Those ones are in future,
those two -- two major intersections are in the future and they don't function well now,
but they are hard. There is a lot of impacts and it's very costly to widen both of those
intersections. So, to some degree I understand why --ACHD understands that, but they
haven't thrown any resources at really trying to solve that problem yet. So, that's the
only thing I really wanted to call out on the roadways and intersections. Not -- again,
not a change necessarily, just a -- some commentary on where they stand with ACHD
in -- in their process.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
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Strader: So, I guess -- so, you are on the programmed list right now.
Hood: Yep.
Strader: So, a -- a piece of feedback on the programmed list. I guess it is 2024 priority
ranking number 16. 1 think Black Cat and Franklin -- not sure if this is the right spot, but
I do know Councilman Cavener mentioned his concern about a four way stop near the
railroad tracks and feeling like he thought that needed to be a higher priority. So, that's
just one -- one piece of feedback as you are kind of gathering feedback for discussion.
It feels like because these are programmed did the -- speak of the devil. I won't -- I
won't even attempt to speak for him.
Hood: So, if I -- if I can, I will -- so, the Transportation Commission did talk about this
even at the subcommittee level and I will -- I will say we also talked about it as part of
the not programmed list and community programs, because there is some sort of
interim improvements that have also been requested by the city. At the end of the day
what the Transportation Commission said is we need to improve Black Cat, not just put
a Band-Aid on the issue near Compass and some of the issues they have, but really fix
Black Cat, the railroad crossing, and get all that fixed. So, I will get into that a little bit
more with not programmed. Sixteen, while not the top ten, is very -- very -- fairly high. I
can't remember off the top of my head, but there is another section of this -- Cherry and
Ustick. So, you can look at that one actually jumped up pretty high on the not
programmed. So Black Cat, Cherry, Ustick, which is the next mile, but closer into city
limits, they did accelerate even higher to say, okay, Black Cat, Franklin to Cherry, that's
already programmed. This one needs to move up as well, with curb, gutter, pedestrian
bike facility. So, I'm not doing it justice, the conversation they had, but they are very
well aware and I will just say you will hear an update from the chairman here on March
12th. Black Cat and the issues at Compass are something they -- that's on their agenda
on a fairly frequent basis, too, and they are trying to work with that school administration
and others, the parents, to improve that situation out there.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: So, maybe just giving Luke a second to catch up and just maybe discussion of
where we could find space on the non-programmed list, I'm a little bit struggling with
using up what I think are very valuable spots, number six and seven. It is, obviously, a
very high priority is for us to preserve McMillan Road. I guess I'm curious as to why we
could not consolidate number six and number seven, instead of just taking up two spots
in the top ten.
Hood: It's a very -- Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
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Hood: Another good question and if I were doing justice to the way ACHD did their
presentation that's one of the things I would have highlighted for you. They want these
in one mile segments, so that is a project to ACHD. So, we can't take three miles of a
roadway and call that priority one. It has to be in the bite size -- that's how they define a
segment. So, I did talk to Kristy offline. There is a -- an exception to that rule a little bit
when you get to talking about some bike lane facilities, but for the most part the arterial
roadway improvements need to be in one mile segments. That's how ACHD constructs
a project.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Would be just on that, though -- so ACHD gives us direction on -- on how to
preserve McMillan Road in an efficient way, because it's just a huge opportunity cost --
it's not like we are actually asking ACHD to construct something -- a road widening on
McMillan. So, how do we protect ourselves from the opportunity cost of giving up spots
in the top ten, maybe two segments, when it feels like the issues in preserving McMillan
Road all along.
Hood: Yeah. Council Woman Strader, Mr. Mayor. It's another good question. I actually
had a brief conversation with the Mayor this week about McMillan and, again, going
back to your January 29th joint meeting with them, I have not heard back from Justin
Lucas yet and that was sort of the direction was they are going to see what some of the
implications to their CIP were based on our request to take arterial roadways and at
least preserve them for five, including McMillan. So, again, that was six, seven weeks
ago now. I have it on my to do list to circle back with Justin, figure out what we -- we
can do and -- because every day that goes by there is potential development along that
corridor where we are still only preserving for three. So, how do we, then, get this on
the books, so to speak, so that we don't miss more opportunities. But I have not had
that follow-up conversation since the joint meeting.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: It almost feels like a more fair way of doing this would be the -- there is
programmed improvements, not programmed improvements and a third list of right-of-
way preservation priorities or something. Just talking out loud. But I don't know if they
are really tied to like doing this in a certain format, but -- I don't know. It just -- it feels
very unfair that we would have to do that and use our top ten priorities and I'm not
directing any ire at you, Caleb. You are doing a fantastic job of juggling all different
entities and so forth, but, I don't know, that's just one piece of feedback. Just -- it's sort
of frustrating to have to use up top ten priorities to preserve roadway.
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Simison: Maybe in this area can we request that they take out the words preserved this
road and just say widen McMillan up to five lanes? I mean that's truly what we -- you
know, right of way and purchase preservation -- everything else is what every other
project is about, not preserving right of way from my perspective. That is -- buying right
of way is what you do. Preserving right of way is what we all do through our process,
not through prioritization. So, maybe at least make that request that this list be updated
to that outcome, not the preservation portion, if we are going to leave it at its location.
Hood: So, Mr. Mayor, yes, I can make that change and that is another good point that I
will bring up. So, we don't -- so, these three columns here, we don't control; right? It is
what it is. We -- if we just put, yep, funded for construction in '25 doesn't make it so.
But we can change to some degree our project description. This is our column to put
whatever we really want in here that further defines our request. So, absolutely we can
take out preserve and just put widen McMillan to five lanes. And, again, that goes for
any other project. We have some other things that hopefully give some context to the
request and why, you know, it's important to the city. Some of them are pretty generic
and I will just say some of them are -- are, you know, just as widen an intersection, we --
sometimes we get specific. Hey, this should be a signalized intersection or we really
anticipate this being a seven by seven intersection. Most of the time, though, it's fix the
problem. Don't know what the answer is, but there is a problem here and we need to fix
it. So, I have left the agency project description generally. Pretty generic. But we can
put -- or take away, add to, this is our column to -- to mess with. So, yes.
Taylor: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader first.
Strader: All right. Sorry, I didn't mean to jump in too much. Just maybe one more
question. So, previously when the Transportation Commission presented our priorities
in one list, it was at least easy to see that they were trying to prioritize whole sections,
because they thought it was more efficient and would kind of bring a resolution faster to
say, okay, you know what, we want to prioritize all of Locust Grove. What was the
discussion with the Transportation Commission regarding these lists? Did they have to
leave that philosophy behind, because of using two lists? Did they use a similar corridor
approach? Like what kind of happened with -- with that?
Hood: Mr. Mayor, Council Woman Strader, I will be honest, there wasn't a lot of
discussion this year with the Transportation Commission. The subcommittee did
discuss that a little bit and also just refresh or remind or targeted for the first time, ACHD
does still have their priority corridors, but to your point it's not as easy to see how we are
doing on those priority corridors when you have two different lists. Some of them are
funded. Some of the segments aren't. That was some of the talk. But Black Cat,
actually, was one of the corridors -- they talked about that; right? Like I just mentioned
this -- this one's programmed, this is the next segment of Black Cat. This one should be
higher up to get that -- that's the natural progression of Black Cat is to go Franklin north,
so -- but it wasn't -- that wasn't a dominant theme of the scoring committee. But they
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did talk about that and, again, with -- it took us a little bit of time to -- this two lists thing
wasn't our preference either, but we have swallowed it and we are -- this is what we
have and we will play the game, so -- and I think they did and that's -- they were back
and forth looking at the two lists saying, okay, where is this segment, then, on the --
okay. We are doing this on programmed. McMillan's another good example. Ustick
even. A lot of those are programmed. But what's the next one that's likely to occur on
some of those corridors. But, again, it wasn't a dominant theme or hindrance to them
coming up with what you see tonight.
Taylor: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Taylor.
Taylor: Caleb, I just have one question on this programmed list and I -- I don't know if
I'm just missing it, but when we did have our joint meeting with ACHD one of the
discussion points was how that McMillan corridor kind of cuts the city in half in terms of
the ability to get north and south through some of those constrained areas and if you --
on Meridian Road, it's a great road to travel and, then, you -- you pass Ustick, it goes
down to two lanes and you can't get to Chinden very well. If you try to go between four
and six it could take you a significant amount of time. But I did notice that on this -- this
priority list number 16, widening Meridian Road between Ustick and McMillan, and,
then, down the new number 18, Meridian Road to Chinden Road, which is great. But I
don't see the intersection widening on there and that McMillan-Ustick intersection is kind
of that pinch point. So, am I missing something or does ACHD not have that on the list?
Because to me that seems -- I don't know why you would widen that road and not
address the intersection, because that intersection is actually the main constraint
between -- on Meridian Road that's north-south and it's an incredibly busy roadway.
Can you -- can you show me where I'm missing that or --
Hood: Mr. Mayor, Councilman Taylor, I don't know that you are missing it. I'm scanning
it to see -- I know it's on the programmed list, so you wouldn't find it on the programmed
list. I don't know that we have that intersection, McMillan-Meridian listed as one to be
reconstructed in the future.
Taylor: That we -- Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Taylor.
Taylor: That we do not -- and I don't know why ACHD would put that, you know, 16 and
-- what was it, number 12 and 18, on their priority list for the roadways and not have the
intersection addressed at all, because you can't really widen -- there is no point in
widening the roads if you are not going to address the intersection. So, that might be
some feed -- I don't know if that's feedback we need to provide them or why -- we need
to figure out why that's missing from the agenda, but -- or from the programmed list.
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Hood: And I would propose -- I'm sorry, Mr. Mayor, Councilman Taylor. I would propose
we add that if that's what, you know, this body wants to do. We can certainly add
projects this evening or this afternoon add them or -- in wherever you want. It wouldn't
go on this list. It wouldn't go on the programmed list. But they are not programmed and
we can plug it in somewhere. I will just call this out, too. So, if you look at the project
description, Meridian Road is -- another like McMillan where or today ACHD is not
planning to widen Meridian Road north of Settlers Park. It is planned forever and ever
to be three lanes. So, I added the three, four or preferably five lanes. I'm not trying to
put too much of a narrative in here. But right now if you look at their CIP, they do not
plan to widen up to Chinden-Meridian Road to five lanes. That's why the intersections
aren't listed, because those intersections accommodate the three lanes on McMillan
and the three lanes on Meridian. It is, for all intents and purposes, its ultimate build.
Unless McMillan changes and/or Meridian changes, then, you have got to add more
receiving lanes to the intersection. So, again, just to follow up, let's add the intersection,
because that does make sense. I have never really just thought that through all the way
that, yeah, we -- then we have got the intersections that also would need to be widened
and that's going to go further to the west along the McMillan corridor as well, too. So,
those intersections will -- anyways.
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So, Caleb, to that point on the -- I mean we have
been having the conversations about Meridian Road and McMillan for as long as I can
remember. The city continues to advocate. The highway district continues to kind of
say no. How -- how do we overcome this? I mean I appreciate that our community
continues to be vigilant about these are things that are important to us. Is it a change in
philosophy at the highway district? I mean at some point -- I guess I look at Meridian --
or the Linder Road overpass. For so many years people said we are not going to do a
Linder Road overpass, we are not going to do a Linder Road overpass. Again, we have
continued to remain vigilant and we are looking forward to opening a Linder Road
overpass one day soon. Is it that same tenacious drumbeat year after year to have
them -- is it creating those as projects and, then, just putting them at the top of our list,
so that the highway district recognizes this is -- that we mean business about this and is
it -- I know in the past the highway district commissioners have said if the city is willing
to contribute funds that that changes sometimes the -- the ranking of different projects.
I mean is that ultimately where we are at, is that if this is what Meridian wants, like the
Linder Road overpass, we have got to start allocating dollars to get roadway projects for
our community built?
Simison: I will take this. You know, I believe that our joint meeting and -- that was the
first time that ACHD has actually officially heard and received the intention that we want
five Lane roadways -- five lanes on all roadways in Meridiem where possible. That's
been my conversation with -- with the director prior to that meeting was -- and even with
staff, that there had never been an official request to make something like McMillan five
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lanes. It was never transmitted in any fashion until we did that letter six months ago,
five months ago. So, I think that we -- they have now heard us and I think that this
document should reflect those requests and if there is pushback, then, that's when we
would need to have that additional conversation. But I think it's a great catch that the
intersections are not in here. The road segments are not in here. If they are not
currently programmed. They should definitely be included in that context for those
elements.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Yeah. So, what I liked about the way the Transportation Commission
addressed the corridors previously was it made a lot of logical sense; right? So, it was
like let's focus all of our eggs in the basket of widening Locust Grove, for example.
Where I think the danger is -- and I don't disagree -- taking the example of Meridian
Road, you know, Ustick and McMillan, Linder McMillan to Chinden even. That does
seem like it could be a priority, but I think it's kind of -- to me that's in conflict with, you
know, we have two segments for Locust Grove that are already programmed, number
seven and number 11, it seems like if those were already priorities, the number 30,
Locust Grove, you know, McMillan to Chinden, should be a much higher priority,
because that would take some pressure off of Meridian Road. If we were to focus on
widening all of Locust Grove that I think would go a long way toward like fixing the
problem, because we will have dealt with an entire corridor, as opposed to now -- you
know, I'm concerned that we might take number 12, which that does seem important,
but if we are just going to be able to be successful in widening like a segment of
Meridian Road -- yeah, I don't know if that would give us as much of an impact. So,
that's why I asked the question about the Transportation Commission's kind of feedback
about the corridors approach. It -- and I guess maybe another follow-up question, did
they just feel that requesting corridors was not effective with ACHD? Is that a piece of
this? Is there -- and we still have a couple of weeks; right? We still -- we still have it
looks like two more City Council meetings March 5th and March 12th before we actually
need to submit this. What are you looking for today, Caleb, and how do you kind of
want to tackle this in the next couple of meetings to try to maybe make some
adjustments and -- it seems like maybe we need some feedback also from the
Transportation Commission.
Hood: Yeah. Mr. Mayor, Council Woman Strader, there is a Transportation Commission
meeting next Monday. I have not published the agenda yet. I'm working on the packet
right now. I met with the Mayor earlier this week and the chair. This was not one of the
topics. I can add that as an agenda item and they can discuss it some more. I do think
there is opportunity. We do have two weeks. I'm willing to come back next week or in
two weeks or whatever that looks like. Just as we talked about like the mixed use stuff
last week, next week I can come back if you want anything for your packet, because
they don't meet until Monday. So, I can come back and verbally and give you that sort
of real time update, but you won't have anything to review at your leisure. It will be here
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is what happened yesterday. But if you want to wait two weeks, then, I can update
something for the packet and you can have it, you can sleep on it, whatever, so -- or
both. I can go next Tuesday and the Tuesday after that. So, there is some time. I will
just -- maybe just back to that -- again the same corridor question to some degree.
There is not a lot of changes year over. So, if you look at the not programmed -- so,
programmed didn't change. The not programmed there was just a couple of tweaks that
I had -- I was planning on going through today. It doesn't seem appropriate now. But
it's not radically different than it was last year. So, yes, our priorities are broke into two
lists, but it's not like something like just came out of nowhere and all of a sudden flew up
to be, you know, project number one or two or ten even on the not programmed list.
You can see them, right, on the not programmed and there was one or two I was going
to call to your attention. Linder, Pine to Cherry, did jump up a little bit. We had ACHD
staff come and -- and they have reached out to the public and there is a question there
about what Linder should look like between Pine and Ustick. So, mile and a half, right,
three or five and what do we do here type of a thing and so that one is a major move,
but the Linder corridor is important with the overpass and, again, that was part of the
conversation was, okay, well, this is your bottleneck. If Linder is important and we are
going to spend money to design and build an overpass, you have a huge bottleneck a
mile away, let's get that fixed. So, again -- but nothing's really radically -- if you just go,
you know, 26, 27, 28, 29, they are still -- you know, this year they are nine, ten, 11, 12,
but they didn't do a whole lot of shaking up.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: I'm going to make kind of a suggestion and, then, maybe people can weigh in.
I think we should keep this on the agenda for the next two weeks. I think that would be
great, so we can work through it. I would suggest bringing it back to the Transportation
Commission for their discussion. I think things that we would like to hear from them are,
you know, whether they are still using a corridor approach or what type of philosophy
they are using to approach this list. If there is anything important that we need to keep
in mind regarding that, I think their feedback regarding what is now number 16,
specifically the Black Cat and Franklin kind of intersection near the railroad, I think some
feedback regarding the trade-offs between, you know, the north part of Meridian Road,
Ustick and McMillan to Chinden versus Locust Grove would be really helpful. And, then,
understanding -- you know, maybe just get some feedback as well from ACHD
regarding the, you know, right of way preservation versus, you know, maybe we just
widen McMillan and these two. But let's get some more feedback on that. And, then, I
guess I'm just going to look around if there is anything else. But I think it would be great
to have the Transportation Commission meet again. They are subject matter experts
that we rely on. Let's have them have a further discussion. They can watch this
meeting and, then, hear the back and forth and, then, hopefully they can provide us with
some more color -- or even they may change their minds about some of the
recommendations, but I think it would be great to hear from them again. That might
give us a little bit more to go off of. I don't know if others are in agreement, but --
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Taylor: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Taylor.
Taylor: Yeah. I like that approach. I do think this is worthy of some discussion for a
couple of -- several weeks to get it right. To me I'm still just sort of -- I'm not sure if
amused is the right word -- why a priority list would include something when they don't
have it in their intention to widen it to five lanes. I'm speaking specifically of Meridian
Road and that they have left out the intersection. So, it makes me wonder how they
came up with their own priority list on the program sheet and I -- I would hope that we
would have better kind of agreement with ACHD in terms of them accepting some of our
recommendations for how they would fund their priorities. You know, as partner
agencies I would like to see our -- our input be taken -- being taken a little bit more with
the idea that we have a vision of how we want the city to grow and develop. I really
think transportation corridors in terms of how we want to develop that makes a lot of
sense. If you look at, you know, Meridian Road and Locust Grove, they kind of die off
after a certain point and you can't travel north and that's a big issue. I agree, Linder
Road, that's -- we have identified that as a big corridor. That makes a lot of sense to
prioritize that. But if you just look at -- I will bring it up again. Meridian Road from
McMillan -- McMillan to Chinden, it went from number 35 to 18, yet there is no
intersection on the plan. That doesn't make sense. So, I think we should -- I would be
very interested in some -- a little bit more discussion on how we want to prioritize that
and emphasize that with ACHD, so that they kind of get the message of these are areas
where we really want you to prioritize things.
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: One additional item, I think flag -- to flag for Caleb to maybe get some
direction from the highway district, which is as we move to this new approach to me
when I see something that is programmed that should correlate with a -- with a date
and so when I see full projects -- again Ten Mile and Cherry, Eagle Road and Overland,
big intersections, future, but it's programmed, to me if it is programmed it should have a
date certain associated with design, right of way, construction and so I'm sure the
highway district has a good reason for that, but I would like to -- I would like to be
educated as to how something is programmed with a future date that isn't really a date.
Hood: Mr. Mayor, can I maybe try to answer that one? I know the answer. I can relay it
to you. That's a fair question, but something less off of my to do list to ask them about if
I can try to explain. So, the five year work plan is a little bit of a misnomer. It's actually
more like a seven year plan; right? The first five years are listed years. So, this is '25 to
'29. Five years. But they put two years of future in that and those are -- those are -- so
it's sort of programmed the out years of the integrative program -- a five year plan and
the not programmed. So, really, even to get on the programmed list you are still
oftentimes waiting and you make your way into the future, so that you can be the next
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one to get a named year. They are -- so, this is maybe more detailed than what you
want. They have been over programming their future for the past several years and
project costs are going way up and so they have put us all on notice and so I'm putting
you on notice you are likely to see some future projects come out of the future and
program list and move on to, unfortunately, the wrong way and to the unprogrammed
list. I hear what you are asking and saying. I can't totally defend that methodology, but
that's -- that's how it works is they budget for five years and they have got a hundred
million dollars' worth per year and they allocate design, right of way, all that and, then,
these are the ones in the bullpen, if you will, or on deck to move in with a year into '30,
next year. So, if in the future you should see with a 30 and, then, a 31 -- but those are
like -- they are going to sharpen their pencils and -- and -- and I will just say one more
thing and I -- but this is part of the conundrum I think they are in a little bit -- not to
defend them, but I heard Council -- Council President -- or Commission President
Pickering -- we need to figure out the impacts of this; right? If it was all along they are
planning on three lane preservation and construction and now we are asking Meridian,
Locust Grove and McMillan to be five, we are asking for more and they still have the
same pot of money to work with. So, that's what -- I can see to follow up on some of
these impacts, but I saw in their eyes and even in their words they need to really
understand the impact on their 20 year plan, because now we are adding things -- we
are asking for more; right? Right? Wider roads and now new intersections, too, that I
didn't even -- duh. But that's an impact. That's a real impact. And so they got to
balance and all these compete for the same dollars, so --
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Just from your perspective of that, things falling off, do you happen to know
will they fall off if they are on the funded? Will they fall off into the number one position
of the unfunded list or will they -- this does kind of go back to the -- like if you don't have
it completely prioritized, because, look, everything that they fund is necessarily
everything that's number one in the eyes of the city.
Hood: So, Mr. Mayor, I don't know that you really wanted an answer there and it's one
that I don't really want to ask, because, then, that points to -- is like let's pull things off of
your program, but -- no, I don't -- I don't know. It's a good question. I don't know where
it would fall on next year's list if we don't do a unified priority list.
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Just two things. I think -- I think one thing I think we could move toward that
helps with what we are discussing, whether it's Meridian Road or Locust Grove, I think
the request could be -- we think there needs to be one north-south corridor on one of
these two segments that doesn't have a choke point. So, I don't think we have to ask --
we could. I don't know if we have to ask for both. I think we could get some
recommendations from the Transportation Commission and prioritize one of those two
requests, but I think -- I think something to think about -- so, March 15th is coming. I
understand that going back to one prioritized list might not be realistic is what I'm
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hearing from you, Caleb, between now and March 15th. But I would encourage us as
we are working through this -- I think we need to move back for next time and let's get
feedback from all of Council. Maybe you could get feedback individually from folks that
weren't able to make it to this meeting, but I think it would be great if -- if Council seems
like they want one prioritized list again, I think going forward we need to move back
toward that and, then, we can put this in whatever format they want, but, I don't know,
feel pretty strongly that we should have our whole list of priorities, that should drive what
we request and, then, if they need something in a specific format we can try to do that.
Mr. Mayor, I would be curious what your thoughts are about that.
Simison: I mean I'm fine with that approach. It doesn't -- I'm fine with this approach.
I'm fine with that approach. To me the numbers -- mentally I guess it's kind of like I can
take a house and flip it upside down and spin it around three times and I can see it. I
can see both lists in this fashion. But there are some consequences of decisions being
made that do have benefits I think having one list. So, I -- I -- what I -- I think it's very -- I
don't think it's that hard to put this into one list either. That's why I'm like I'm -- I feel like
I could do it in the next five minutes. If we wanted to take a break. That's --
Hood: And, Mr. Mayor -- and I would -- I can pull up 23 and we can see the one list and,
again, it's not night and day and I don't think that's a big lift for -- I'm just saying that's an
arbitrary deadline March 15th. We don't have to have that by March 15. ACHD is going
to do nothing with that. Now, if you need that to get to these two lists, then, fine, that's
fair. But it really is essentially 2023's priority list that we have and I can show you that
and, you know -- again, there were some changes, but it's nothing -- it's really nothing
radical and, yes, it is two lists and it's not one for one, there are some that are -- that are
programmed that are pretty low on our priority list from '23; right? And vice-versa. They
are very high on our priority list that are unprogrammed.
Simison: And will be next year no matter what we say.
Hood: Yeah. It's so true.
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: Maybe one additional question, Caleb, that maybe you have got an answer or
can get back to us on and I apologize for missing the first part of the conversation. I -- it
sounds like you were talking a little bit about Black Cat between Cherry and Franklin,
and I think when I came in you were talking about the Transportation Commission's
recommendation. They didn't want to Band-Aid it, which I appreciate. We want to do it
right. But where we are looking out into -- it looks like you have got to be so far in the
future before you can get -- onto the future of the programmed list, that -- that irritates
me to a degree. Is there a mechanism for us to request a Band-Aid, essentially, then,
for there, which is let's get crossing arms put at the -- at the rail track. We have got a
huge industrial project that's there on Black Cat. I know we already talked about the
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school. Main Street being punched through. There a lot of reasons why we would want
a rail crossing arm there. One for the traffic movement, but certainly for the public
safety element and if there is a way for us to say, yes, we want to keep these on the
unprogrammed top of our priority list, but if you are telling me that's likely seven years
before this thing will -- could ever potentially be conceived to be constructed, we have
got to take some sort of bold action about that rail crossing now.
Hood: Yeah. Mr. Mayor and Councilman Cavener, what I can do -- and I'm
paraphrasing; right? I don't remember exactly all the words. But when we talked about
Compass in that segment of Black Cat, some of the discussion was if we ask for the
Band-Aid and, then, we get it, it defers further the ultimate configuration that we really
want. That's what we really want to see.
Cavener: Sure.
Hood: So, that's why they said let's go all in, let's have them fixed the whole thing. So,
that's -- and, again, just sort of the thought process in the conversation was let's not just
have them fix the railroad crossing and get a path that snakes down, let's have them do
it right the first time and sooner than later, so --
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: Until they changed how their programming stuff and how they are ranking
stuff I was in full agreement. They have changed a little bit of the rules of the game and
so we can't wait eight years for a full build out for a need that needed to be addressed
two or three years ago. So, that's just my feedback. I think that I hear where they are
coming from and six weeks ago I would have agreed with that, because I think things
have changed and we aren't able to really forecast how soon a project could come
online at this point is why I think that we need to elevate at least taking care of the rail
crossing there.
Hood: Mr. Mayor, if you don't mind, I got one more -- you want me to reply to the rail
crossing? I was not going to reply that anymore. I know --
Simison: I think just a reminder that rail crossing is not determined by ACHD, it's
determined by ITD and it's determined by the railroad. So, I think there is certain
elements of this that doesn't matter. If we made it one tomorrow that until the railroad is
prepared to make the crossing improvement and ITD is going to support that, that's
going to determine that much more than where we have prioritized it in our list. In my
opinion from the conversations that I recall. But I can have Dave follow up specifically.
Cavener: And, Mr. Mayor, I -- I agree with you a hundred percent. There is no
argument on that. But as what we have learned from Linder Road overpass and
perhaps with McMillan is we, then, need to send formal requests to the highway district
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to put in a formal request to ITD to, then, put in a formal request to the railway and they
are not going to initiate that on their own without us telling them.
Simison: Those requests have been made. They --just so you are aware.
Cavener: Okay.
Hood: Yeah. We are -- we are working those channels. I will just -- what I was going to
say -- and I can do this -- the feedback I think is great. I can take that to the
Transportation Commission and get that. They are subject matter experts. Ultimately,
though, you are the decision makers. So, I can see what I can -- what more I can get
out of them, but if they say, you know what, yeah, Black Cat, we aren't doing anything
with it, you get to. Right? So, I will prod them a little bit, but I don't know that we will --
this back and forth too many times. I don't know that -- you know, again, you are going
to have to send the priority list by -- by March 15th. So, I don't -- I will try to -- I will have
-- I will encourage them to watch the meeting. I don't know if it's worth our time. You
know, maybe at one and a half times speed that I can play it for him next Monday. But
have them -- encourage them to watch it, the discussion, and give some more feedback
and address some of these things, come up with a unified list. I don't know, though, that
they are going to -- that they are going to get to a point where you can just swallow it
whole and you are going to be happy with it, though. But I will try. I mean I will see
what additional feedback and recommendations I can get from them.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Have all the feedback in the world that the Transportation Commission will
meet our expectations. I think we have asked for specific feedback; right? We feel like
we have a lot of choke points and we need to prioritize between, you know, either
Meridian Road or Locust Grove or both, widening those in the north part of the city. Did
they change their corridor approach? What philosophy did they use? Just help us
understand do they want to make changes based on hearing our discussion? Do they
recommend changes. And, then, if they look back at their 2023 priorities list that was
consolidated, how would that change in a consolidated list now? And I think if we could
see that that might help us. And, then, any other feedback we should consider; right? I
mean I think we are all open. And, again, they are the experts and I have a lot of faith in
them, we will have a great discussion and, hey, maybe it's really easy for us and there is
not a lot of feedback, but let's -- let's give it a try.
Taylor: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Taylor.
Taylor: My last comment and, then, I think I'm done with the conversation for tonight.
But one thing I have been concerned about for a long time -- and there is nothing that
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was said tonight that alleviated it in any way was that ACHD doesn't really take into
consideration too much of how we prioritize things and we -- we can give them a list.
March 15th. Is it a real date? Is it not? Are they going to do anything with it or are they
not? That's kind of challenging when we are looking at approving developments and
investing in sewer and different infrastructures. If we don't really get to have a
meaningful amount of influence on how they help us build out our community, that's a
problem and that -- the only people that suffer are the -- our constituents, the citizens of
the -- of Meridian and at large the county. So, I would like -- again, not -- just an
observation. I think that we should all be concerned about and I'm the new guy here
talking about -- you guys would have a better insight it's been an issue, but it seems to
be a bit of miss if -- if the list that we come up with is not really that helpful for them. I
know the list at 15 percent is factored into some of their considerations, but we are just
one partner agency to ACHD, so I don't know what percentage of that 15 percent we
are. But I think that's just something that I think troubles me just a little bit.
Hood: Mr. Mayor, if I can, just a couple of things and I will try to pull that -- that graphic
back up. But, yes, 15 percent is partner agency support. We are the partner agency.
School District also gets -- gets asked for their list. There is some bonus points if it's on
both lists, so city and ACHD, but just to keep things simple we have 15 percent. Now,
that's a bigger policy discussion between this Council, other councils in the district and
what the commissioners do and how they program, if it's meaningful or not or how
valuable it is. I do -- I don't want you to leave today here -- I want to make sure that I
have the record clear, though, and you understand that the list that they gave us is,
essentially, our list we gave them split up into two. It's not them reprioritizing our -- our
priorities from last year, but they did separate them into two spreadsheets. So, we
make them -- you can move the numbers around wherever you want. That's what we
send to them. They were just regurgitating, essentially -- I get it. There is not one
master list what we sent to them last year though. So, I don't want that -- it's not like
they have tweaked -- now what they do with that after they get it that's another -- and it's
complex. It really is with six cities and the county and needs everywhere, everything's a
priority, yet nothing is, so I -- yes, I just -- you can be frustrated. That's fine. I just want
to make sure you understand generally how that works, so --
Simison: And I don't want to make it sound like they don't take it into consideration, but
there are just some projects that cost so much money. It's -- some of our friends to the
north, they would like a couple more river crossings with the tune of 100 to 200 million
dollars. Just because they put those with number one on their list don't expect them to
be built and I think that we even have some projects on our list that have such a high
dollar impact or impact to houses -- Locust Grove and Fairview intersection and that
section that has been on there for -- those are the types of projects that we identify as
important and I'm not saying that they won't do them, but it is -- they are just looking at
the dollar threshold along with what would they have to put off throughout our city and
the valley to accomplish those. So, I don't want to say that they are not responsive to
priorities. So, Mr. Hood, see you next Tuesday with that information and thank you very
much. So, Council, we have reached the end of our agenda, if I remember correctly.
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Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: I move that we adjourn.
Simison: Motion to adjourn. All in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay? The
ayes have it. We are adjourned.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 5:34 P.M.
(AUDIO RECORDING ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS)
3 / 12 2024
MAYOR ROBERT E. SIMISON DATE APPROVED
ATTEST:
CHRIS JOHNSON - CITY CLERK