2022-11-03 Meridian Planning and Zoning Meeting November 3, 2022.
Meeting of the Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission of November 3, 2022, was
called to order at 6:03 p.m. by Chairman Andrew Seal.
Members Present: Chairman Andrew Seal, Commissioner Steven Yearsley,
Commissioner Maria Lorcher, and Commissioner Mandi Stoddard.
Members Absent: Commissioner Nate Wheeler and Commission Patrick Grace.
Others Present: Joy Hall, Kurt Starman, Bill Parsons, Joe Dodson, Stacy Hersh, and
Dean Willis.
ROLL-CALL ATTENDANCE
Nate Wheeler X Maria Lorcher
_X Mandi Stoddard (Vacant)
_X Steven Yearsley Patrick Grace
X Andrew Seal - Chairman
Seal: Good evening and welcome to the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting for
November 3rd, 2022. At this time I would like to call the meeting to order. The
Commissioners who are present for this evening's meeting are at City Hall and on Zoom.
We also have staff from the city attorney and clerk's offices, as well as the city's Planning
Department. If you are joining us on Zoom this evening we can see that you are here.
You may observe the meeting, however, your ability to be seen on screen and talk will be
muted. During the public testimony portion of the meeting you will be unmuted and, then,
be able to comment. Please note that we cannot take questions until the public testimony
portion. If you have a process question during the meeting, please, e-mail cityclerk@
meridiancity.org. They will reply as quickly as possible. If you simply want to watch the
meeting we encourage you to watch the streaming on the city's YouTube channel. You
can access that at meridiancity.org/live. With that let's begin with the roll call. Madam
Clerk.
ADOPTION OF AGENDA
Seal: Okay. First item on the agenda is the adoption of the agenda. File No. H-2022-
0013 for Promenade Cottages Subdivision will be opened for the sole purpose of
continuing to a regularly scheduled meeting. Be open for that purpose only. So, if there
is anybody here tonight to testify for this application we will not be taking testimony on
them this evening. Can I get a motion to adopt the agenda as amended?
Lorcher: So moved.
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Yearsley: Second.
Seal: It's been moved and seconded to adopt the agenda. All in favor say aye. No
opposed. Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. TWO ABSENT.
CONSENT AGENDA [Action Item]
1. Approve Minutes of the October 20, 2022 Planning & Zoning
Commission Meeting
2. Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law for Denial of a Conditional Use
Permit for Bridge at The Village at Meridian (H-2022-0069) by Meridian
CenterCal, LLC, located at 3210 E. Longwing Ln.
3. Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law for the Conditional Use Permit
(CUP) for EICU Ten Mile Branch (H-2022-0068), for a new drive-through
for a financial institution located within 300 feet of a residential use on
approximately 1.23 acres of land in the C-G zoning district, by Steven
Peterson, CLH Architects & Engineers
Seal: Next item on the agenda is the Consent Agenda. We have two things on the --
three things on the agenda. First is to approve the minutes of the October 20th, 2022,
Planning and Zoning Commission meeting. We also have Findings of Fact, Conclusions
of Law for the denial of a conditional use permit for the Bridge at Village -- Bridge at the
Village at Meridian, file number H-2022-0069, as well as Findings of Fact, Conclusions of
Law for a conditional use permit for the EICU Ten Mile Branch, H-2022-0068. Can I get
a motion to accept the Consent Agenda as presented?
Yearsley: So moved.
Lorcher: Second.
Seal: It's been moved and seconded to adopt the Consent Agenda. All in favor say aye.
No opposed. Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. TWO ABSENT.
ITEMS MOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA [Action Item]
Seal: At this time I would like to briefly explain the public hearing process. We will open
each item individually and begin with the staff report. Staff will report their findings on
how the item adheres to the Comprehensive Plan and Unified Development Code. After
staff has made their presentation, the applicant will come forward to present their case
and respond to staff comments. They will have 15 minutes to do so. After the applicant
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is finished we will open the floor to public testimony. Each person will be called on only
once during the public testimony. The clerk will call the names individually of those who
have signed up on the website or in advance to testify. You will, then, be unmuted in
Zoom or you can come forward to the microphones in chamber. You need to state your
name and address for the record and you will have three minutes to address the
Commission. If you have previously sent pictures or a presentation to the meeting it will
be displayed on the screen and you can run the presentation yourself. If you have
established that you are speaking on behalf of a larger group, like an HOA where others
from that group will allow you to speak on their behalf, meaning other people are willing
to give their time to you, you will have up to ten minutes. After all those who have signed
up in advance have spoken we will invite any others who may wish to testify. If you wish
to speak on the topic you may come forward in Chambers or if on Zoom press the raise
button app -- or raise hand button on the Zoom app. If you are only listening on a phone,
please, press star nine and wait for your name to be called. If you are listening on multiple
devices, such as a computer and a phone, please, be sure to mute the extra devices so
we do not experience feedback and we can hear you clearly. When you are finished if
the Commission does not have any questions for you, you will return to your seat in
Chambers or be muted on Zoom and you will no longer have the ability to speak. And,
please, remember we will not call on you a second time. After all testimony has been
heard, the applicant will be given another ten minutes to come back and respond. When
the applicant is finished responding to questions and concerns, we will close the public
hearing and Commissioners will have an opportunity to discuss and hopefully be able to
make final decisions or recommendations to City Council as needed.
ACTION ITEMS
4. Public Hearing for Promenade Cottages Subdivision (H-2022-0013) by
Steve Arnold, A-Team Consultants, located at 403 E. Fairview Ave.
A. Request: Rezone of approximately 0.535 acres of land from the R-8
zone to the C-G zoning district, 0.326 acres of land from the C-G to
the R-40 zoning district and 6.284 acres of land from the R-8 zone to
the R-40 zoning district (6.61 acres of R-40 total).
B. Request: Preliminary Plat consisting of 30 single-family townhome
lots, 5 multi-family lots, 2 commercial lots and 8 common lots on 7.64
acres of land in the requested R-40 and C-G zoning districts.
C. Request: Conditional Use Permit for 90 multi-family units and 30
townhomes on approximately 4.65 acres in the requested R-40 zone
and to allow the continuance of the non-conforming use of a mobile
home park for an extended period of time in the requested R-40
zone.
Seal: So, at this time I would like to open the public hearing for Promenade Cottages
Subdivision, H-2022-0013, for continuation to December 15th.
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Lorcher: Mr. Chair?
Seal: Commissioner Lorcher.
Lorcher: I move that Promenade Cottage Subdivision, H-2022-0013, be awarded their
continuance for the date -- hearing date of December 15th.
Yearsley: Second.
Seal: It's been moved and seconded to continue file number H-2022-0013 to the date of
December 15th, 2022. All in favor say aye. None opposed. Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. TWO ABSENT.
5. Public Hearing for Prairiefire Subdivision (H-2022-0053) by Patrick
Connor, located at 3539 N Locust Grove Rd., near the northwest
corner of E. Ustick Rd. and N Locust Grove Rd. Recommend
A. Request: Annexation and Zoning of 3.16 acres of land from RUT in
Ada County to the R-8 zoning district.
B. Request: Preliminary Plat consisting of 22 building lots and 1
common lot
Seal: Okay. At this time I would like to open file number H-2022-0053 for Prairiefire
Subdivision and we will begin with the staff report.
Hersh: Good evening, Mr. Chair and Commissioners. The applicant is here to present
the Prairiefire Subdivision. The applications are for annexation, zoning and preliminary
plat. The site consists of 3.1 acres of land, zoned RUT in Ada county, located at 3539
North Locust Grove Road. There is no history on the property. The Comprehensive Plan
FLUM designation is medium density residential. The applicant proposes to annex in
3.16 acres of land with an R-8 zoning district. The property is designated as medium
density residential in the FLUM contained in the Comprehensive Plan. This designation
allows for units at a gross densities of three to eight dwelling units per acre. The
preliminary plat was submitted showing how the property is proposed to be subdivided
and developed with 22 single family residential detached dwelling units at a gross density
of 6.96 units per acre, which is within the desired density range of the medium density
residential designation. The subject property is an enclave surrounded by existing single
family residential detached homes to the north -- is Quenzer Commons, West is Heritage
Grove, east is Summerfield and the church to the south and office park to the north. The
development is proposed to be an age restricted -- restricted 55 plus community and the
applicant's narrative states that they have an agreement in place to merge this
development with the Heritage Grove HOA. Access is proposed from the extension of
the existing local sub street along West Prairiefire Street on the west. Access is prohibited
from North Locust Grove Road. ACHD is requiring the applicant to increase the radius of
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the cul-de-sac from 45 feet to 50 feet per district standards. The project is conditioned to
comply with all ACHD's conditions of approval. The -- the only landscaped buffer that's
required for this project is a 25 foot wide buffer that's required along the North Locust
Grove Road. Because the site is below five acres in size open space and site amenities
are not required per UDC 11-3G-3A. However, the applicant is providing 0.37 acres of
common area to provide pedestrian access to the commercial -- to the commercial
properties located to the north in North Locust Grove Road. This area will be landscaped
with trees, shrubs and include a five foot micro path. Staff recommends that the applicant
remove Lot 11 , Block 1, along the northern property boundary. The micro path connection
on the northern portion of the common lot adjacent to the commercial development is
hidden behind Lot 11 , Block 1, creating a potential safety issue for pedestrians.
Pedestrian pathways and common lots shall be designated to reduce the incidence of
crime and improve the quality of life. The applicant has provided us with six conceptual
building elevations to demonstrate the style of homes proposed for this development. A
mix of single story and single story with a bonus room homes are proposed. However,
staff believes the proposed -- proposed elevations are not consistent with the Heritage
Commons Subdivision development. Staff has included a few sample elevations --
actually, there is one sample here -- to demonstrate the style of -- style of homes in the
Heritage Grove development. So, staff is recommending that the applicant submit revised
elevations that are consistent with the homes in the Heritage Commons Subdivision prior
to the Council hearing. The only written testimony that we have is from Doug Sayers and
he had concerns pertaining to the excess traffic through the Heritage Grove Subdivision.
With that said, staff recommends approval of this project with the requirement of a DA
that contains the provisions in the staff report and I stand for any questions that you may
have.
Seal: Okay. Thank you. And welcome to Planning and Zoning.
Hersh: Thanks.
Seal: All right. At this time would the applicant like to come forward? Good evening, sir.
Just need your name and address for the record and the floor is yours. Either one will
work.
Connor: Thank you very much. My name is Patrick Connor. My address is 701 South
Allen Street, Meridian, Idaho. I think Stacy's going to pull up the PDF presentation. Stacy,
do I have control of the -- can you make it -- can you make it full size?
Starman: Madam Clerk, could you restart the clock, please? Thank you.
Connor: Thank you. Good Evening, Commission. And welcome, Stacy, to -- to staff.
know we are all happy to have you here. It's been a pleasure working with you so far
since meeting you. Tonight representing Prairiefire Subdivision. It is a -- an in-fill
property, 3.16 acres, in this heart of Meridian. It currently fronts on North Locust Grove,
but it shares a boundary on its western side with the Heritage Grove Subdivision. Tonight
we are requesting zoning of R-8 and 22 single family lots and one common lot. As you
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can see it is an in-fill project. There is a lot of projects that are completely built out around
it. Like I mentioned, Heritage Grove is a 55 plus community to our west. Heritage
Commons is a traditional community to the north. There is commercial uses to the north.
There is a pediatric clinic and a preschool day school to our north, an LDS church to the
south and the fire station is along the eastern side. In the Comprehensive Plan map, as
Stacy mentioned, it is a medium density residential and this map shows the -- the zoning
around the property. So, this one shows a little bit clearer, but there is significant R-8 to
the north, R-15 at Heritage Grove, and, then, limited office to the south and to the north
with -- R-8 is what we are proposing tonight. When we first started talking to the city
about, you know, what sort of product would fit best here, we initially came in talking about
doing potentially townhomes to fit in with the commercial uses and -- and sort of this in-
fill higher density potential property. The more we talked to the city they encouraged us
to look more at single family use here and the more that we talked to the communities
nearby we settled on single family lots in this particular project. As you see in front of you
the preliminary plat we are showing 22 single family lots, with about 11 percent as open
space. As Stacy said, it's less than five acres, no open space is required, but we wanted
to show and connect to the pathway to the north and the pathways along Locust Grove.
So, that's why you see the green as shown. And when we had our neighborhood meeting
there was a very strong turn out and there was a lot of real concerns brought forward with
the impact of this community. So, we worked a lot over the past summer with the HOA
board, which is present here tonight, and -- and I will ask the HOA president to come
forward and -- and speak a little bit on this, but from the beginning we were trying to find
a win-win partnership between us and the neighboring community. Some of the issues
brought forward was that we were creating sort of an island community if we were just to
do a standalone HOA and a regular single family neighborhood. Their hope was that
potentially we could come into their HOA and join them and be a 55 plus community to
help alleviate some of the impact of a single family community there. So, we started
talking about how that would work. Some of the concerns that were brought up were
increased number of kids and traffic and they were trying to get away from that sort of
impact. So, we were able to accommodate that by agreeing to do a 55 plus community
in this particular subdivision. There is also some concerns about incongruent
architectural details between our project and their project. As part of our annexation to
their HOA we will be held to certain architectural restrictions to make sure that we are in
line with their current housing product. Most of our architectural restrictions match theirs,
but there is just some things here and there that we want to make sure that we can
accommodate. Lastly -- and this is kind of getting into the weeds of -- of development --
but our -- our pressurized irrigation system there doesn't exist it. We have a flood
irrigation setup with our water -- water right. So, it's a real challenge to have on demand
pressurized irrigation. Heritage Grove does have a -- have a pressurized irrigation service
and in talking with them they can attach us onto their current system. We can dedicate
our water rights to that system and, then, we will pay for any sort of upsizing or pump
upgrades that would need to happen to connect to that. So, that was a big thing that we
were trying to work with and figure out how we are going to do it. We didn't want to have
to connect to the city's domestic water line, so this was a real win for -- for us to provide
irrigation water to -- to our future residents. Before I move on to some of the issues in the
-- in the staff report that I want to talk about, I do want to invite Michael Ford, he is the
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president of the HOA, to talk a little bit about the conversations that we have had and --
and some of the progress that -- that he had in getting approval for the annexation for us
into his HOA.
Seal: Do you want to have him come up separately? Because this cuts into your 15
minutes.
Connor: I do want to have him come up.
Seal: Okay. That's fine. Just wanted to make sure that was clear.
Connor: Thank you.
Seal: Good evening, sir. I need your name and address for the record as well. And,
please, speak right into the microphone. I know you are a taller gentleman, so -- we don't
have extenders on them.
Rusnack: My name is Michael Rusnack. 3302 North Sheephorn in this fine city. Part of
the Heritage Grove Subdivision. I'm representing the board as the board president of our
community. Very short statement if I may then. Upon hearing of the Prairiefire
development with the Hubble team, our board immediately began just -- began
discussions. In fact, it was here we were first introduced to the program. At that time we
began discussions with -- with the Hubble team on inclusion of that group into our
development. In June the Heritage Grove drafted -- Heritage Grove Board drafted a
proposal that was presented to our community and was presented for a vote to our entire
community. The balloting of our community resulted in overwhelming support. In fact,
greater than 90 percent of our community voted in favor of the terms and conditions laid
out by the board for annexation of that portion of the community. With the community
mandate the board, then, began further discussion working with the Hubble team and --
the Hubble team to finalize the annexation process and this is expected -- the detail of
this will be ironed out. There were some minor terminology things as we learned of -- we
called it Hubble in our document -- we called it Heritage Grove in our document and it
needed to be labeled Prairiefire. More legal for you folks. As Patrick pointed out, a couple
of details that we needed to iron out and cast into our CC&R architectural group of the
accommodation for their architectural needs that met more particularly their lots in size.
But in this agreement we have laid out to our community again overwhelming support
from our community and we anticipate and we expect to have this agreement finalized
very shortly. Appreciate the opportunity to give the portion of -- our representation of the
Heritage Grove community.
Seal: Thank you, sir.
Connor: Thank you. There are a couple things I do want to talk about. Conditions two
-- two conditions in particular that are in the staff report. We do have a connection going
north to the limited office property. It's a pediatric clinic and a -- and a daycare. Part of
the problem is the current stub road or stub pathway comes in at kind of an awkward
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location in the property and so we were forced to kind of jog a lot or -- or kind of come
into the lot and it made that pathway not visible from the street. I spoke to the HOA
president of the -- of the commercial property to the north and they are open to shifting or
allowing us to move that stub -- stub sidewalk to make it accommodate our -- our green
spaces there a little bit better, makes it more visible from our cul-de-sac, to alleviate the
concerns that Stacy brought up in her staff report about safety. I think it will also kind of
make it look a little better, make it more -- make a lot of sense. He did bring up the fact
that he doesn't really want the connection between the two sites given they currently have
a pediatric clinic and a daycare there at -- for -- in his perspective it does make kind of a
conflict point, a potential safety hazard in the future. It is a condition of-- it was a condition
of their approval to have that pedestrian connection to the south. I just wanted to bring
that forward, that there will be some working with their HOA to ensure that we make that
pathway connection. Again, that -- this sort of connection point can be done over time
and -- and will be still defined on final plat, as long as it is a -- a condition of approval to
have that connection point there. In Stacy's recommendation she said to eliminate that
-- that lot completely and, then, add square footage to the remaining lots in the north. I
think we can accomplish within that 20 -- 20 feet of green space there to the pathway that
runs north and -- and keep the lot count as it is. The next item that I kind of want to
discuss was the condition of providing house renderings that match Heritage Grove. I
don't have a problem doing that and we are updating our product anyway for this 55 plus
community. It's a different sort of market, different sort of buyer. We are entering an
architectural agreement with the HOA board to make sure that we match our--our houses
appropriately with architectural elements. I just think it can get a little tricky sometimes if
we are having them approve certain architecture and, then, you guys are also approving
architecture and we are trying to design architecture -- I just personally think that we have
a good relationship between us and the architectural committee and the board and I feel
like that sort of decision making design can happen between those -- those two parties,
rather than the connection between us and the city. I -- I don't -- I don't -- I personally just
don't think it's appropriate for extraordinary architectural restrictions to put on this property
when we already have it kind of built in with the HOA. So, with that I will conclude it.
Thank you for considering this application for annexation and preliminary plat. It is an in-
fill project that matches the adjacent land uses, providing much needed pedestrian
connections to Locust Grove and we really have tried --worked really hard, we have made
a lot of headway and a lot of concessions from our end becoming a 55 plus community.
It's a -- we are shrinking our buyer pool in a market where buyers are very hard to find
these days -- to a certain 55 plus market. That was an accommodation that I kind of
fought for, that Michael and his team really fought for to make a win-win situation. I think
this will be a great addition to Heritage Grove and -- in the long -- in the long run it's going
to be one seamless community, which I'm -- I'm happy that we were able to get there after
a very -- a very heated neighborhood meeting initially. We are following all zoning
parameters and city ordinances within the R-8 code. So, I'm happy to work with you all
on that. With that I will stand for any questions.
Seal: Any questions for staff or the applicant?
Lorcher: Mr. Chair?
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Seal: Commissioner Lorcher, go ahead.
Lorcher: In regard to your landscaping of the actual home sites -- so a lot of 55
communities have -- the subdivision takes care of that. Is that your plan or is each
individual house responsible for their front and back yards?
Connor: That is a good question. We will follow how Heritage Grove does it. We will
have to touch with Michael how that works. We typically try to do -- or-- or try to do kind
of more lower upkeep with the front yard landscaping. I believe these will be traditionally
maintained. But, again, I will -- we will fall in with however Heritage Grove does it. I don't
know exactly how they -- how they maintain their -- their front yards. I'm sure the folks
here can chime in on that. But we will follow the --the -- how they do it at Heritage Grove.
Lorcher: The only reason I ask is that -- like you had said, you have flood irrigation and
you have to tap into somebody else's pressurized irrigation system. If there is more
control from the subdivision, as opposed to individuals, you might have better luck with
this -- you know, having the water equally distributed. You know -- I know in my
subdivision they say only Tuesdays and Thursdays and Saturdays, but I see a guy
watering three times a day. So, there is no control on that.
Connor: Yeah.
Lorcher: But if you had control -- if you were in charge of the landscaping and mowing
the lawns and, you know, making sure that's all taken care of, then, you can control when
the water goes on.
Connor: Yeah. Again -- again, I'm sure Heritage Grove has certain watering days and
they make sure that folks are trying to follow the rules and -- and I'm sure there is a
process with saying -- talking about people over watering and -- I mean it's -- water is a
precious resource, you got to make sure it's like that. So, we will be connected to the PI
system and, then, integrated into the system. So, they will probably have to revise their
watering schedule a bit to accommodate for these 22 houses and, then, folks will -- will
follow -- follow suit and -- and, again, it will kind of just be another phase in their current
community.
Lorcher: Okay. Thank you.
Seal: A question more for staff probably. Is this -- this will have to go through a CZC
before it goes to City Council; is that correct?
Hersh: No. It just gets put on the -- it goes to City Council.
Seal: Okay.
Hersh: There is no CZC before.
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Seal: Okay. I was just wondering if it was -- there was a -- an opportunity for you to
correspond with the HOA and, then, have that submitted as far as the elevations to make
sure that they were compatible, but --
Hersh: So, he is going to submit elevations to me. We did condition that prior to City
Council. So, I will have those going to City Council.
Seal: Okay. Yeah. Thank you for bringing up the fact that the -- the property to the north
-- part of their CUP condition is the fact that they do have to have that path open and
that's -- that is a requirement, so --
Connor: Stacy pointed it out to me. I didn't actually know that.
Seal: Okay. That's -- it's an important distinction in there to make sure that that -- you
know, we do have walkability in there. I understand what they are saying, but at the same
time that is a condition. So, that's how they operate in there and that's one of the
conditions of being able to operate in there for sure. If there is no other questions from
the applicant we can move on to public hearing. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it.
Connor: Thank you.
Seal: Okay. At this time I will take public testimony.
Hall: Ron Dietzler.
Dietzler: Okay. I just have --
Seal: Ma'am, we will need your name --
Dietzler: Judie Dietzler. 1318 East Prairiefire Street. Judie Dietzler. I'm right--our house
is right next to where it's going to be built and we primarily have just some questions. One
is that Hubble is proposed --was proposing a single level housing development, but since,
then, I have heard that it could be -- they could have a loft, which is a two-story, and I'm
not sure -- I need clarification on that. The problem with that is because it's only three
acres, so if you have a loft they are going to look down in the bedrooms, in the living
rooms of -- of the Heritage Grove that's surrounding it and the Heritage Commons that
surrounds it and so that would be a problem. One level was no -- no problem, but two
level becomes a problem. My next one is I'm sure that Hubble has worked really hard
with Heritage Grove and we appreciate that. We haven't seen the contract--the residents
haven't seen it, so we are not sure exactly what it is that we are obligated to, but -- so, we
would at some point like to see that. Also is it true that the contractors that put in the
streets and everything around there can come in off of Locust Grove? Because we are
in over 55, we have people with walkers, we have people with -- that walk slowly and all
of the traffic through there could -- could be detrimental to their health. So, we were told
that the workmen could come off of Locust Grove. The residents that -- that buy in there,
they will come into our subdivision. But I was just wanting clarification on that. And, then,
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once that it's approved through Planning and Zoning, then, it's in concrete, nothing can
be changed, is that correct? I think that covers it.
Seal: All right. Thank you very much. So, do we want to address any of those now or
keep rocking and rolling?
Parsons: Mr. Chair, Members of the Commission, certainly there have been projects or
instances in the city where we have had the applicant work with ACHD on a temporary
construction entrance off of an adjacent roadway until such time as the subdivision is
completed and landscaping's put in. So, currently the project is not conditioned that way.
But let's see where the public testimony leads us and where your deliberations go. But
certainly that's -- it's not really a city issue, it's more of an ACHD issue to allow that to
happen.
Seal: Okay. Thank you, Bill. Madam Clerk.
Hall: Kevin Emery.
Emery: Good evening. My name is Kevin Emery. Address is 3530 North Heritage View
Avenue in the Heritage Grove Subdivision. I really don't have any questions. I wanted to
publicly voice my support of the request by Hubble and also extend my gratitude to them
for their willingness to negotiate with our board. In my opinion it's a win-win situation and
-- and from a -- a 55 and older community standpoint we couldn't ask for anything better
than what's being proposed. I agree that I would like to see, if possible, the current Locust
Grove access be used from a construction standpoint, as long as reasonably possible
until it's developed to the point where they need to close that for landscaping and such.
But that's all I have to say.
Seal: Okay. Thank you, sir.
Hall: Willie Uhrig.
Seal: Good evening, sir. I just need your name and address, please.
Uhrig: My name is Willie Uhrig and my address is 1214 East Summerplace Street -- and
that's in Heritage Grove. I just have a couple of comments and maybe a question. First
I want -- I really do want to say that I think the staff did a great job. When I went in and
read their analysis I thought they did a very good job of identifying issues and -- and just
looking at the whole situation. One comment I want to make is I don't think that the -- the
residents of Heritage Grove were aware that there was a plan to connect this subdivision
to our water. Our water situation has been the -- the -- what we have is something
different than probably anybody has out there in any of your subdivisions. It's controlled
centrally. So, the homeowner has no control at all over the water. It comes on whenever.
We don't know when it comes on. And we have no control over how much it waters. So,
if you want to plant something that needs a lot of water or something that doesn't need
water, yeah, you have difficulty determining what's going to happen with that and the fact
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that that has been very problematic -- it breaks down every summer. There hasn't been
a summer gone by that that system has not broken down. So, that is a concern that that
needs to be really looked at closely if phase five is going to be hooked into our water
system. The other -- the other issue that I want to comment on is the elevations and that
was picked up on by the staff and Judie commented on it. It really appears like it could
be that Hubble could build two -- two story homes -- full two story homes if they wanted
to. There has got to be some control over that. The elevations in Heritage Grove --there
are no two story homes in there. There are no -- there are no -- there are no homes with
a loft. They are one story homes. So, if they are planning on building homes -- a number
of homes with lofts, they don't fit the character of Heritage Grove and the last comment
-- after I viewed the -- the homes that Hubble said that -- some of their models, I question
whether two of the -- the models they just showed could be built on the footprint that they
have. It really looks like on the footprint that they have to build homes, the only way they
are going to build homes on those is you would have a garage with an A-frame over it
and you would have to go around them on a path to get to your home, because there is
no width there. You don't have the width to build the garage and I don't know how many
feet they had on some of those -- okay. Anyway, I have got a concern about that. I don't
think they would fit on that -- those -- that kind of a footprint.
Seal: Thank you, sir.
Hall: I'm not sure how to pronounce this name. I'm going to give it my best shot.
Moscelene Sunderland. Sorry.
Seal: Ma'am, we will -- we will need your name pronounced correctly and -- and your
address, please.
Sunderland: My name is Moscelene Sunderland. I live at 3581 North Lilyturf, which is
also in Heritage Grove.
Seal: Okay. You can pull that microphone right down at you there.
Sunderland: All right. Thank you. My number one complaint or at least question at this
point is the elevation, too. It's the second story. And I just want to point out to the board
that, you know, we have all -- in our neighborhood we have left our single family homes
with lots of room and lots of yard and the privacy we had was in the room we had between
us and our neighbors. In this neighborhood we had to adjust to losing a great deal of that
and the original subdivision is designed to give what little ground we have and I do mean
little. As much privacy as possible, even down to where windows are placed in your
neighbor's house, so that they are not intrusive into your little piece of paradise such as it
is. Second story lofts or second stories in general will rob us of what little privacy that we
have left and I just would really ask you to consider that when you are looking at this, that
it really is an important issue to people of our age who have already had to change our
lifestyles dramatically just because we are getting older and we really don't want to have
to give up what little privacy we are left with and I would really appreciate you considering
that in your deliberations. Thank you.
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Seal: Thank you.
Hall: Doug Brown.
Seal: Good evening, sir. Name and address and the floor is yours.
Brown: Doug Brown. 1409 East Legacy View Drive in Heritage Commons. Anyways,
I'm here to comment on the proposed house designs and also the recent documents
provided by the city that was uploaded into the documents the other night. The
recommendation of the applicant to remove Lot 11, Block 1, along the northern property
of the lots to be widened for a better transition and to provide more visibility on the
pathway connection to the commercial development. Now, my property is -- or is going
to be bordering Lots 2 and 3 and the border is actually right in the middle of my lot, almost
about a 60/40 of that. I'm -- my comment is I would still love to see Lot 11 be eliminated
and to use that--that width to widen several of those homes that are going to be bordering
Heritage Commons, because, you know -- you know, I have lived there for eight years, I
have had -- you know, I have had open fields. It's been nice, but now with the new
properties it's going to be -- I'm going to be losing a lot of visibility, you know, it's -- and
I'm certain -- you know -- and everyone else's position, if it was happening to your guys'
properties or-- or anyone else's, they would want to make sure that the lots are complete
transitional lot for lot as best as possible. So, I would love to see that -- is their
recommendation and requirement that the border -- that properties bordering Heritage
Commons are matching transitional lot to lot that is as best as possible.
Seal: Thank you, sir. Appreciate that.
Hall: Gerard Gladu.
Gladu: Hello. Good evening. Thank you. My name is Gerard Gladu and I live at 1461
East Legacy View Drive and that is in the Heritage Commons Subdivision. So, my -- my
comment and concern is -- as of what has already been mentioned is the elevation as
well and not having two story, you know, houses built, because my -- my property I'm
going to have -- I think Lots 5, 6, 7 and 8. So, I'm going to have four of those houses
backed up against my -- my fence line, so -- and it looks like that Hubble has done -- they
have listened to a lot of us, so -- as far as like accommodating the 55 and older community
that's already there. So, really, obviously, with -- with the two stories it's going to be a big
-- for me it's going to be a big issue. I don't want a bunch of houses looking down into my
backyard. And, then, the traffic as well that is going to be generated because there is
only one way in and one way out of that subdivision that they are proposing. So, they are
either going to go out -- and the 55 and older, they are going to come out and go through
the -- our Heritage Common Subdivision. So, really, I -- I mean that's -- that's all that I
have. So, I appreciate you guys' time. Thank you.
Seal: Thank you.
Hall- That is all that is signed up.
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Seal: Okay. At this time would anybody else like to testify? If so just raise your hand
and we will call you on up here. No? Anybody online? You can hit the raise hand button.
All right. Yes, sir.
Rusnack: My name is Michael Rusnack. 3302 North Sheephorn, representing the
Heritage Grove community and the board as board president. I wanted to address a
couple of the points that were raised. In our community we do have a single home with
a loft in our community already and it's a trend and, in fact, that was discussed with Hubble
and there -- is it -- we don't want -- we want to make sure we refer to it as a single family
with a loft. We do have one in Heritage Grove. It looks just like the rest of them. With
respect to the water system, the water system we consulted with our landscape
management company. We have that water system that is fully managed by the
landscape company and they agreed that we have plenty of margin with our water system
to manage that. It is fully automated as noted with a computer system and we manage
each home to that value. The elevation shown by Commons -- I mean, sorry, by Hubble
Homes and the -- the home we do have in our development looks out the front for that
elevation. It -- it looks just like the rest of the homes. We would -- you would be hard
pressed to tell that it even does have a loft. So, those are my comments. Again, the
landscape system is completely accomplished by us. We do all the landscaping, all the
landscape maintenance as part of our -- our dues that we charge and that was agreed to.
That was a question raised by you folks with the landscaping and the water system. The
fact that the system had failed twice -- we had one year where we had a -- the developer
had miscalculated and improperly installed an elbow. That was repaired. That was
several years ago over 4th of July. Just this year over one of the holidays we had a pump
go down. A hundred and fifty dollars to know which button to push to reset the pump. It
was accomplished over a holiday weekend, which is a rule we have. It only fails Friday
night of a holiday weekend. So, those are my comments from representing the -- our
communities. Thank you.
Seal: Thanks, sir. Appreciate that. All right. If anybody else wants to testify, please,
raise your hand. Going once. Going twice. Okay. Commissioners, do we have any
other questions, comments, before we close the public hearing? We should probably
have the applicant come back up and address this. True. I was getting in a hurry there.
Sorry about that.
Connor: Thank you. I just want to address some of the comments brought forward.
There is -- there is -- there is kind of three main things here, so some of the comments
from Ms. Dietzler and Mocalene and Mr. Brown and Mr. Gladu talked about the effect of
two story and losing privacy. I completely understand that. As Michael alluded to, all of
our plans that have lofts or these bonus rooms, if there are any -- the windows that do
exist face the street, rather than the sides and the rear, which I think is a -- like Michael
said, it's hard to even tell if there is a second story loft. A lot of times those second story
windows are -- are oftentimes just decorative on some houses. So, that's the way that --
that we build them. They are also built within the roof trusses, so there is not a whole
new like eight or nine foot plate. So, the lofts -- the side walls only go up about six feet
and, then, they are up at a peak there. So, that's why their -- their lofts are bonus rooms.
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So, the -- the -- the nervousness about privacy and things like that, it's a completely valid
concern, but the fact that it faces the front of the street, rather than peering down on
neighbors, I think they will be well --they will --they will be good neighbor houses in those
situations and we want to be able to provide that -- that second story loft and -- and not
be constrained, because it's an opportunity to have a bonus room for a craft room or if
grandkids come over or just have some extra storage space. We want to be able to -- to
provide that. The PI issues that -- that Mr. Uhrig brought forward is -- as Michael alluded
to as well, we deal with PI issues all the time. Always in the summer and it's always on
Fridays before a holiday like he said and part of our agreement is that any sort of upgrades
or things that need to be changed on the PI agreement -- on -- on the PI system will be
upgraded by us when the time comes. So, we will assess the needs of their current pump
and the current system and then -- and move forward from there. We work all over the
valley in adding different PI systems together and making sure they work well. There is
always going to be issues, because you never really know what's in the water, debris,
things like that. So, it's just part of the deal. Also I just want to touch on -- I know your
point before, it is a fully automated system. It's scheduled times. I think that's -- that
works out really well and it-- and it makes for a very uniform landscape community. Some
of the questions about the lots lining up one to one. Some of those lots along the north
of the property, while they are a little bit wider on Mr. Brown's property, it's half of a house
and half of a house, so it's not a true one to one, but might as well be. It's hard not to
make -- it's hard to get anything to match up exactly perfectly with two different things and
a similar sort situation exists with Heritage Grove and Heritage Commons in that the
Heritage Grove lots are slightly smaller than the ones in Heritage Commons and further
down the street they have a similar situation where you have multiple houses that back
up to a single house. So, there is a little bit of presence there with different size lots and
different communities kind of coming together in this kind of in-fill area. Again, the -- the
privacy thing, I really understand that and -- and, hopefully, not having the windows out
the back will alleviate some of the concerns of privacy. And I appreciate the folks that
have come in support of the project and talked about us working with the neighbors. I will
say I have never worked so long and hard on a very small 22 lot community and so -- but
it's -- it's -- it's been a -- a real pleasure work with Michael and Maureen and -- and Frank
and their team to hopefully make this a win-win community and ten years from now you
won't be able to tell the difference between the two. So, that's our hope and that's our
intent, so -- any other questions you all have let me know.
Seal: Just a quick question on the -- it sounds like the -- all the lawn maintenance and
everything is included and so that's going to be part of the -- what you do for this
community as well?
Connor: Correct. It will be the same that they -- that they have.
Seal: Okay.
Connor: And I understand it's on a -- the watering system is set on a master control and
then -- and, then, all the landscaping, like talking about bringing in different plants and
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things like that, they will have to follow the same landscaping requirements that already
exist.
Seal: Okay. Any questions, concerns, comments? Okay. Thank you very much. I
appreciate it. Okay. Can I get a motion to close the public hearing for file number H-
2022 -- whoa. Wait a minute. Yeah. H-2022-0053, Prairiefire Subdivision.
Yearsley: Mr. Chair, I move that we close the public hearing on file number H-2022-0053.
Lorcher: Second.
Seal: It's been moved and seconded to close public hearing on file number H-2022-0053.
All in favor, please, say aye. No opposed. Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. TWO ABSENT.
Seal: Okay. Who wants to go first?
Yearsley: Mr. Chair?
Seal: Go right ahead.
Yearsley: I do appreciate the -- the -- the developer to work so closely with the adjacent
homeowners association to match the style. I think they have done a great job. I do
agree with the staff that -- that I think they ought to lose that one lot. I think it provides
many benefits to the subdivision by maybe spreading out some of those other homes to
minimize the amount of spacing between the two and provide better access and safer
access to the property to the north and I -- I agree, I think we need to have new renderings
of the new homes. They can -- I -- I -- I -- I'm surely convinced that they can come up
with a homestyle that will match the adjacent homeowners association style, but actually
bring it to Council for review and to be included in that. So, I don't see any issues with
what staff has recommended.
Seal: Okay. Thank you. Commissioner Lorcher?
Lorcher: Staff, do we need to condition anything?
Hersh: Mr. Chair, Commissioner Lorcher, no. Everything's already included in the
agreement for them to bring new elevations --
Lorcher: Okay.
Hersh: -- and to lose the lot.
Seal: Yeah. Well, I was going to say if they -- the only thing that we would need to
provision is if we say to keep the lot and move the path, but if everybody is in agreement
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that that doesn't need to happen and that's the way the motion goes, then, we don't need
to provision that.
Yearsley: You have no comments?
Seal: I'm done.
Yearsley: All right. I will make a motion then.
Seal: Commissioner Stoddard, do you have anything to add?
Stoddard: Nope. I do not.
Seal: Thank you.
Parsons: Mr. Chair, before we get to a motion --
Seal: Yes, Bill.
Parsons: --just curious on the construction access where the Commission is landing on
that. Off of Stoddard. Or excuse me. Off of Locust Grove.
Seal: Yeah. Did we -- good questions about that.
Yearsley: Do we -- I guess do we need to condition that? I'm -- I'm almost certain that
-- that construction access is going to want to come off of Locust Grove. I didn't know if
that was something that -- I didn't feel like it was that important, but I can add that to my
motion if -- if -- if we think we -- that's necessary. I would be interested in you guys'
thoughts.
Seal: I -- I would say that's fine, as long as we provision it with a comma, because we
don't want to get in a match with ACHD over -- yes, you can, no, you can't.
Yearsley: Right. And that's how I would word it is just that they work with them to try to
maintain good access for construction. Okay. All right. Thank you. Mr. Chair?
Seal: Go right ahead.
Yearsley: After considering all staff, applicant, and public testimony, I move to
recommend approval to City Council of file number H-2022-0053 as presented in the staff
report for the hearing date of November 3rd, 2022, with the following modifications: That
the applicant work with ACHD to try and obtain a construction entrance off of Locust
Grove for -- during construction.
Lorcher: Second.
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Seal: It's been moved and seconded to approve item number H-2022-0053, with the
aforementioned modifications. All in favor say aye. None opposed, so the motion carries.
Thank you all very much.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. TWO ABSENT.
Seal: Thank you all for showing up and being polite and good neighbors. I very much
appreciate that.
Dodson: Before I start mine, Mr. Chair, I will let the room clear out.
6. Public Hearing for Hadler Neighborhood (H-2022-0064) by Laren
Bailey, Conger Group, located at 7200 S. Locust Grove Rd.,
approximately 1/2 mile south of the Locust Grove and Lake Hazel
intersection on the east side of Locust Grove Rd.
A. Request: Annexation and Zoning of approximately 20.5 acres of land
from RUT to the R-15 zoning district.
B. Request: Preliminary Plat consisting of 145 building lots (52 single-
family attached lots & 93 detached single-family lots) and 11
common lots on
Seal: Appreciate that. Ready? Okay. At this time I would like to open the public hearing
for file number H-2022-0064, for Hadler Neighborhood. We will start with the staff report.
Dodson: Thank you, Mr. Chair. As noted, the first one for me tonight, one of two, is going
to be for Hadler. The site consists of 20 acres of land, currently zoned RUT in the county,
located at 7200 South Locust Grove, which is approximately half mile south of the Locust
Grove and Lake Hazel intersection. It is designated as medium density residential in the
future land use map, which allows residential uses at three to eight dwelling units per acre
as a gross density. The request before you tonight is for annexation and zoning of
approximately 20 and a half acres, with a request for the R-15 zoning district. It also
includes a preliminary -- preliminary plat consisting of 145 building lots and 11 common
lots on approximately 20 acres in the requested R-15 zone. Of the 145 building lots, 52
are single family attached and 93 are detached single family. The subject 20 acres
currently contains a large home and other outbuildings, with access being from a private
driveway to Locust Grove that is in the location of the future Via Roberto land that is
proposed along the north boundary. The subject site is abutted by an arterial to the west,
which is Locust Grove, and a future collector street along the north Via Roberto Way.
Sorry. Via Roberto Lane. Access to the site is proposed via a new local street to Via
Roberto in alignment with an approved access on the north side of this street within the
Apex Southeast Subdivision. Abutting the property to the east and south are large county
parcels that share the same future land use designation of MDR. The city's newest park
Discovery Park abuts the property at the northeast corner of the site, offering close
proximity to one of the largest parks in Meridian. The applicant is proposing 145 lots on
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20 acres within the R-15 district, which constitutes a gross density of 7.25 units per acre,
which is near the maximum of eight for the MDR designation. The average lot size is
approximately 3,600 square feet. Staff finds that the proposed project complies with all
UDC dimensional standards and generally complies with the Comprehensive Plan.
However, this project does lie just outside of the West Ada School District boundary and
is, instead, within the Kuna School District boundary. Unfortunately, there are conflicting
reports regarding the capacity at the Kuna schools, specifically the high school. City staff
has reached out to Kuna School District and according to these interactions the high
school is over capacity and cannot accommodate additional children. Staff will further
clarify this point prior to City Council, but notice that the city of Kuna has not stopped
approving applications based on the school capacity and the district has accommodated
-- accommodated recent growth. The applicant is proposing two housing types within this
project. Single family detached and single family attached units. So, the single family
attached are two units attached with a common lot, but they are on separate lots, so they
are not a duplex. The addition of different sizes and housing types is a plus for the project
and the general area as it introduces two different housing types in this area. However,
staff has had some concerns with overflow parking, because of the combination of the
proposed density, the building lot frontage as being relatively small, 32 to 38 feet wide,
when you account for a 20 foot wide driveway and because the applicant is proposing a
27 foot wide street section that allows parking on one side of the street versus both on a
typical street section. I will note that the 27 foot wide street section, as well as 33 foot in
other street sections, are still considered standard street sections by ACHD. Staff has
recommended that the applicant provide a parking exhibit showing where on-street
parking would be available and they have provided this here. According to this exhibit
there appears to be space for at least 82 additional on-street cars. Staff finds that this
exhibit shows that there is adequate on-street parking for the development and
appreciates that it is not located in just one area of the project. Staff has discussed within
the staff report adding an additional stub street -- well, I will use this old map. Additional
stub street and location of Lots 28 and 29, Block 2, for the dual purpose of increasing
visibility on Lot 30 and adding an additional pedestrian and vehicular connection in this
area. After discussing with the applicant staff is recommending that the condition, which
is 8.2A, be modified to reflect adding Lot 29 to the open space area and adding an
additional micro pathway for future pedestrian connectivity, removing the requirement for
the vehicular connection. The applicant has revised the landscape plan to reflect this
change and staff is supportive of this revision. Staff has met with the developer of the
adjacent property to the southeast and they do plan to add open space adjacent to this
area, which is why staff wanted this area to be opened up and not be tucked behind lots,
as well as include an additional pedestrian connection. The proposed project is
approximately 20 acres in size and requires a minimum amount of open space based on
the zoning. Per the R-15 zone, the project requires a minimum of 15 percent qualified
open space. Further calculations. The minimum amount required is three acres.
According to the submitted plans the applicant is proposing approximately three and a
half acres of qualified open space or 17.45 percent, which exceeds the minimum amount.
The qualified open space consists of half of the arterial street buffer to Locust Grove, the
full collector street buffer to Via Roberto, the large central open space, as well as the
smaller open space at the southeast boundary already noted. However, staff is not sure
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if the landscape buffers to the adjacent public streets meet the enhanced buffer
requirements outlined in 11.3G3B to count towards the open space. Previously these
areas qualified towards the minimum open space automatically, but this is no longer the
case with the latest open space updates. The -- the newest updates desire for more than
the minimum to be included within the buffer in order for the -- this area to count towards
the overall qualified open space. The applicant appears to comply with the two required
points, but may not comply with the last two, which are enhanced amenities with social
interaction characteristics and enhanced context with the surroundings. The burden of
proof proposed for the proposed common open space two qualify does fall on the
applicant and not on staff. Staff does recommend that the applicant provide evidence
that these buffers are enhanced beyond the pathway trees and grasses. For example,
with additional boulders, additional vegetation, decorative elements, decorative fences
and walls, additional pathway connections, et cetera. Those examples are pulled exactly
from code. If these buffers do not count, the minimum qualified open space -- they do not
count towards the minimum qualified open space, approximately one acre would be --
need to be removed from the calculation, leaving approximately two and a half acres of
qualified open space under the minimum requirement. Therefore, the applicant should
provide that the proposed street buffers are qualified or apply for alternative compliance
to reduce the amount of qualified open space required due to the proximity to Discovery
Park, which I guess on the record at this point staff is amenable to that option, but
understands if the applicant wants to provide evidence that the existing proposed open
space is fully qualifying. The project size of 20 acres also requires four amenity points,
one point for every five acres. This is also part of the new open space and amenity code.
According to the submitted plans the narrative -- and the narrative, the applicant is
proposing the following qualifying amenities. A picnic area, playground, a water feature
that's a fountain and two segments of the multi-use pathway equaling approximately a
half mile in length. The proposed amenities are worth 11 amenity points, exceeding UDC
requirements. Further, staff does note, again, that Discovery Park is easily within walking
distance to the northeast and will offer multiple additional recreational opportunities for
the project. On the screen here are the two recommended revisions. One being the 8.2A
regarding the Lots 28 and 29, which now should be just 29 and, then, the second one --
I forgot to add this, that's my fault, into the staff report regarding the temporary emergency
access out to Locust Grove. There was no written testimony on this as of about 3:00
o'clock this afternoon and so I will stand for any questions.
Seal: Thank you, Joe. The question I have is on the street that they are going to enter
and exit from, does that street go directly into the park or is -- is there any direct access
into the park off that street?
Dodson: Mr. Chair, at this time there is not and this would be between Brighton, the
developer on the north side, and this side. This would be the first segment of this collector
-- this east-west collector street being constructed. So, currently they cannot drive there.
On the east side of the park, the city, as well as the adjacent developer, are working to
create the -- finish the half mile of the north-south collector over there. So, we are getting
there, but we are not quite there yet to get there by car.
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Seal: Okay. I was more focused on bikes, but I just wanted to make sure that there was
at least future planning in place in order to have that connectivity directly into the park.
Dodson: Oh, absolutely. Future plans absolutely have that. There should be a multi-use
pathway on the south side all the way along -- all the way out to Eagle and it will connect
to the -- be adjacent to the collector streets that's going to go east-west as well.
Seal: Okay. Thank you.
Lorcher: Mr. Chair?
Seal: Commissioner Lorcher, go ahead.
Lorcher: Joe, when you discussed with the developer about eliminating Lot 29, is it?
Dodson: Yes, ma'am.
Lorcher: Even with my glasses I -- I don't know which one that is, but did you consider
some of these tiny little driveways to possibly eliminate those instead? You know, can it
be there or does it have to be up top or can they adjust that so we can eliminate some of
these private drives?
Dodson: Commissioner Lorcher, are you referring to putting a stub street in place of a
common drive? Is that what you are referring to?
Lorcher: Well, I -- I know this particular Commission is not a huge fan of these little private
driveways that come off these curves.
Dodson: Uh-huh.
Lorcher: So, the -- the more opportunities we can eliminate those the better it is for the
community and being good neighbors. I don't know if that can be adjusted at all or have
you discussed it at any time?
Dodson: It was discussed. It was discussed to -- my original recommendation to have
the stub street was to replace the common drive in the southeast corner with the stub
street, but it doesn't help the pedestrian connectivity or the visibility of the open space on
the north part that I was referring to and with the sub street being right here this road --
it's -- it's a private road right now, but likely -- at least some portion of it will be a public
road in the future, too, so we didn't see that there was a need to have another stub street
there. Having it over here makes a little bit more sense, just because it's further away
from this one, as well as where ever this could go to the east, but, again, between the two
connections, one to the east, one to the south, we do believe that should be enough
connectivity for vehicles in the future, but I do understand your point regarding the
common drives.
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Lorcher: So, with these three common driveways, the one at the bottom right-hand
comer --
Dodson: Uh-huh.
Lorcher: -- are you suggesting that that could be a stub street at some time or is it not
wide enough? It would always be a private drive.
Dodson: It would always be a private drive. But I'm saying that it was discussed as an
option to request that the stub street -- a new stub street be proposed there instead,
but --
Lorcher: Would be the next development that would have to do that then?
Dodson: No. No. What I'm saying with this development as a discussion point with the
applicant I noted that we -- we were going to require it there, we discussed moving it up
to 28, 29 instead. We settled on Lot 28, 29.
Lorcher: Got you.
Dodson: So, if we requested that or Commission recommended that, that would be done
at that location. At least stub it to the property line.
Lorcher: Okay. Thank you.
Dodson: You're welcome.
Seal: Anybody else? All right. Would the applicant like to come forward? Good evening.
Clark: Hello, Commission. Hethe Clark. 251 East Front Street in Boise with the law firm
of Clark Wardle representing the applicant and I will just get my stuff settled here. Okay.
Well, I appreciated Joe's presentation and I'm going to just jump right in and start by
talking about annexation. Oops. Are we going to come back here? There we go. So,
let's talk about that first to kind of give everybody a little context about where the city
currently located is -- is located around the project and how the services fit. So, we are
firmly within areas that the city has already annexed or -- and are important to the city's
growth. It's just south of Lake Hazel, just east of Locust Grove and borders Discovery
Park, which you can see in the green. You also have Brighton's Pinnacle Subdivision
that's just north of us. It's an area where the city is investing with Discovery Park and with
the -- the fire station that's within just a half mile, which you can see on this slide here.
The fire station is there in yellow. This has been a very active corridor of development.
Again with Discovery Park you have the Gem Prep Academy that's gone in recently.
Significant residential development with Lavender Heights, as well as Pinnacle and The
Keep. And in addition to that I would point out that there is a wall of city annexed property
on our west. So, this is certainly not extending beyond any existing resources that are
available for the city. I want to talk briefly about the Comprehensive Plan. As we look at
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the approved planning for this project, the Comprehensive Plan shows it under the
medium density residential category, which identifies densities between three to eight
units per acre and we are squarely within that proposed density with our site plan, which
you can see on the screen now. As Joe mentioned, 20 acres, 144 homes, overall density
of 7.2 units per acre. So, within what's permitted under the Comprehensive Plan. As Joe
also mentioned, we are above the minimum open space requirements at 17.5 percent
and -- and I will talk a little bit about those factors that Joe mentioned about the -- the
qualified open space here in just a minute when I have another slide. I -- I do want to
point out the large kind of Central Park area and I want to note that the -- the zoning that
we have proposed at R-15 is what really makes this possible and I'm going to talk about
that here in a moment as well. But before I do I kind of want to place this in context. The
-- the Commission -- you know, several of you have been around for a little while, you
have seen some of the projects that are very similar to this one, so we have done five of
these in Meridian, one in -- in Boise. They have been very successful, because in -- in
our view they cater to an underserved portion of the market. These are folks who are
looking for low -- small lots with low maintenance, high quality finishes, and we -- as we
have done these we study them, we follow up and we know what -- who the typical buyer
is and the typical buyer is a young professional who is looking for a -- a lock it and leave
kind of a situation. They don't want to do yard maintenance on the weekends. They want
to go head to the foothills and go mountain biking. It's also empty nesters who are looking
to downsize, don't want to take care of that half acre lot any longer and, then, it's also,
you know, like the divorced parent who, you know, no longer has the same resources,
wants to keep their kids in the same school district, that's -- that's typically who we see in
these projects. It's been in high demand since the applicant started doing it about ten
years ago and it's been very successful and satisfies a need in -- in the city. So, how do
we get there and -- and primarily it's with that R-15 zone. We use that zone's setbacks
and dimensional standards and, then, make the project more inviting by increasing the
open space and, then, arriving at the -- at the density that we have identified that's within
what the Comprehensive Plan calls for. So, we can deliver the small footprint, low
maintenance type product, but still respect the Comprehensive Plan's identified density
of no more than eight units per acre. Again, we are at 7.2. And what you see on the
screen is -- is a screenshot from the Comprehensive Plan confirming the -- the three to
eight dwelling units per acre of measurement. So, that R-15 zone is, again, what allows
this product to be available. Without it you don't get the small footprint type that folks
want and need and particularly now with the -- you know, unfortunately, a recession
looming and interest rates spiking, it's -- it's critical that we have a variety of housing types
in Meridian to be able to accommodate that and I wanted to point to a few key
Comprehensive Plan policies that support that. You know, we need to have a variety of
housing types in Meridian, we want to avoid the concentration of any one housing type or
lot size in any geographical area. We have also taken into account design in light of the
area. We have provided the open space in the center of our project that's just a Frisbee
throw literally away from Discovery Park. It will connect as we -- as Joe mentioned, as
we understand it, to open space that's being proposed to the southeast of us. The design
also includes the --the regional pathway system. We got about a half mile of new regional
pathway that's -- and it also -- and it does connect into Discovery Park, which we think is
going to be a great thing for the city. We also have our internal pathways and sidewalks.
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Our amenities -- we exceed the project amenities requirements with 11 points. We have
the two acre central park. This has seating, play areas and structures, shade area and
landscaping and, again, those -- those regional pathways are also very important. So,
let's talk about the qualified open space. We do have the 17.5 percent and I don't know
if you will recall, but when we were looking at the landscape ordinance -- well, when was
that, a year ago or so, to make the modifications, one of the concerns that the
development community had and -- and I mentioned on the record was with these four
standards for qualified open space, that a lot of us just didn't know what they meant. They
are -- they are kind of hard to -- to deal with and I -- and I think that's where this comes
from. But as Joe mentioned, there is -- there is four things that you have to qualify for to
-- to qualify as qualified open space. You have to have enhanced landscaping. You have
to have -- you can have multi-use pathways. And, then, the two that were a little more
difficult to interpret were enhanced amenities with social interaction characteristics, which
is a huge mouthful and, then, you have enhanced context with the surroundings. So,
those are the two that -- that Joe mentioned that we need to approve of. So, when it
comes to our landscape buffer, our landscape buffer includes the regional pathway. The
-- the staff report is already confirmed that we have landscaping that goes above and
beyond what's required. So, if we -- if we -- but if we focus on the regional pathway and
the concept of an enhanced amenities with social interaction characteristics, obviously, a
regional pathway qualifies for social interaction characteristics. That's where people are
going to walk their dogs, they are going to see each other as they head over to Discovery
Park, all of that. So, we think that that's pretty clear. And, then, with regard to the
enhanced context with the surroundings, again, regional pathway is what does it. It's --
the context of the surroundings is we are right next to Discovery Park. We are in a location
where the -- where the regional pathway is contemplated. It -- it satisfies that context
planning requirement. So, we think that that 17.5 percent qualified open space should
stand. Quickly there is going to be two types of homes in the project, as Joe mentioned.
Single story attached against the project to the north and Discovery Park and, then, in the
pink internal to the project we have the two-story detached. These are the elevations.
And so I -- I just want to wrap up and summarize here real quickly. So, again, we are
proposing a product type that's been done before in the city and that's desperately
needed. We need more of it. Our density is, again, consistent with what's provided in
the Comprehensive Plan. Our annexation is consistent with the growth pattern in the
area. There is no issue with public services. They are all already there. The city has
invested in the area with the new fire station and the park and, again, we meet the -- the
open space standards. And, then, Joe beat me to the punch on this. We are in agreement
with the -- the conditions of approval in the staff report. This is the same language that
Joe showed on his slide before. We are also in agreement with the additional condition
related to the emergency access that he showed on his slide. So, with that I'm happy to
answer any questions.
Seal: Commissioner Yearsley?
Yearsley: Mr. Chair. How wide is that regional pathway? I didn't see anywhere on that
screen how wide that was planning to be.
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Clark: Mr. Chair, Commissioner Yearsley, it's a ten foot pathway.
Yearsley: Okay. That's all I had.
Lorcher: I'm good.
Seal: I will save mine for later.
Clark: Okay. Sounds good. Thank you, everyone.
Seal: Thank you very much. Madam Clerk, do we have anybody signed up to testify?
Hall: We have Robbie Reno.
Seal: Good evening, sir. Just need your name and address for the record.
Reno: Robbie Reno. Kuna School District. 711 East Porter Street, Kuna, Idaho. 83634.
We are the school district that staff represent in there and I serve as an agent for our
school board that has brought me here because of what has gone on in the city of Kuna
where things have been approved and we are at -- we are -- we are over capacity if you
go off base on things that are to be -- to be built. The conflicting information about the
overcapacity at Kuna High School and the Swan Falls High School is when we -- when
we did our capital planning in 2017 to pass a bond we built a CTE high school to take the
growth off of Kuna High. Well, those combined schools have a capacity of 1 ,900, 1 ,862
was the confirmed enrollment as I checked this morning, because I also serve as the
principal of that high school -- of Swan Falls. But we -- we were late in the submittal of a
letter, because I think we submitted one to Miranda Carson, who was on jury duty
yesterday and so knowing your process, as we are -- we are learning them as being good
-- good neighbors. But we simply state now that we -- we just cannot serve that
development and being an annexation, we know that city -- commissioners on Planning
and Zoning can reject annexations and so we just simply say that we cannot serve this
development, even though it is 145 homes, with the -- with the amount of-- of homes that
already -- that are already plotted on there, we just cannot serve.
Seal: Okay.
Reno: Stand for questions -- stand for any questions.
Seal: Any questions? No? Okay. Thank you very much. Appreciate that.
Hall: Mr. Chair, there is no one else signed up to speak.
Seal: No one else signed up to speak?
Hall: No.
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Seal: Anybody in Chambers want to come up and testify? I see no hands going up in
the air. Nobody's raising their hand online. All right. With that would the applicant like to
come back up?
Clark: Mr. Chair, Members of the Commission, Hethe Clark. 251 East Front Street. So,
it sounds like school is the only thing for me to talk about. So, we had our -- a member
of our development team Laren Bailey had met with the school district about a year ago.
We had another follow-up meeting with them in the -- the recent past. There has been a
number of e-mails back and forth to try to lock down what is actually going on in terms of
the -- the capacity for Kuna School District and -- and what, you know, can be accepted
now, what may be acceptable in the next ten years. Joe's point about not stopping
development in Kuna is -- I think a good one. But I -- this is what I would say. We have
attempted to meet with -- with the -- with the school district. Hadn't gotten to that -- that
comment that you heard tonight. What we had heard was that there is current capacity,
that over the next ten years if there is no development -- or, excuse me, no bonds passed
and no additional capacity created, that they would at that point be running out of capacity.
What I would suggest to the Commission is let us go and talk to the school district, see if
there is maybe an alternative solution that can be identified that -- here on that point and
condition us that way and -- that we have a -- that conversation before we get to Council
and, then, that way we can report to Council on that issue, because we understand that
it's important. I just don't want to hold up the train at this point given kind of the -- the --
the last minute element of this, so --
Seal: Okay. I will give you one more thing to talk about. Can we pull up the parking
graphic? So, I will just walk you through it. So, as stated -- and -- and we know you are
-- you are well within code for the shared driveways. My concern with this is we have
parking on only one side of the street. We have pretty significant density going on in here
and we have shared driveways. So, this looks fine, you know, except for probably, you
know, mornings, evenings gets a little crowded, then, you throw a Super Bowl party in
here and the next thing you know you have no parking. So, why -- why would we go with
a street width that's -- like this that doesn't allow parking on both sides of the street,
knowing that we have the shared access driveways?
Clark: Yeah. Mr. Chair. So, the shared access driveways, that goes back to a -- a
conversation at the same time as the landscape ordinance when the shared driveway
ordinance was also updated and we do meet code on the shared driveways. When it
comes to parking, the -- another bit of background there is that ACHD is really promoting
the use of 27 foot right of way-- or not right--total right of way--the 27 foot paved surface
for these roadways. There will be signage on it to confirm the parking on the one side of
the street, but, then, to your particular question with regard to the -- the proverbial Super
Bowl party, which, you know, is an example that we have talked about in -- in other
applications here. You are just not -- this type of product doesn't lend itself to the big
bash where you are going to have 40 people there. These are 3,600 square foot lots.
So, you are not going to have 40 people showing up for a Super Bowl party at one
person's house. You may have a couple people show up, but you are not going to have
the -- the massive parties that you are talking about here. Now, we have been doing
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these for ten years and at prior hearings we have presented studies that we have done
with drones where we have gone out at various points of the day and looked at whether
there is a -- a parking problem and that has not been our experience on any of these
projects -- on any of these projects. So, I -- I would -- I think my response would be that
we -- we do meet code and that ten years of experience shows that parking is not an
issue, including with the -- the -- the shared driveways, which, in turn, meet code and with
the -- the -- the single -- or excuse me -- the parking on a single side of the street.
Seal: Okay. I appreciate that opinion.
Clark: Well, I think -- I mean to your point, Commissioner Seal, there is a -- a question of
opinion and a question of code; right? And we do meet code.
Seal: I understand that. It's just the combination of both of these seems to be -- in my
mind is a -- is an issue and you have -- you have a smaller street, you have parking
available only on one side of that street and you have shared driveways. So, to me that's
-- you know, that's a recipe for a lot of contention there and -- and it doesn't have to be a
Super Bowl party, it just has to be Halloween. You know, we just went through this. Our
streets were packed and we have 30 foot streets.
Clark: I hope they would be on Halloween
Seal: Yeah. And -- and that's -- and that's what I mean. This -- you know, we are -- we
are kind of creating a whole lot more contention here than that needs to be to save, you
know, a little bit of roadway, so I -- I can't quite wrap my head around why those two things
should coexist. You know, again, if the shared driveways weren't here, then, I get it, but
with the shared driveways and the limited parking, I -- I just don't see it.
Clark: Can you help me understand the --the shared driveways? I mean the --the shared
driveways is nine lots that are affected by the shared driveways.
Seal: Sure. Well, you have more than nine lots. I mean there is other lots that are
affected by it, because, you know, you are just counting the lots that are right on it, not
the ones that -- you know, the other ones that are actually using it. So, there is more than
nine that are involved in that and the fact that you have the shared driveways where
nobody can park in them, so if anybody comes over to visit them they are going to park
out in the -- you know, in the shared parking that's along the street. So, that's going to
impact, basically, everybody. So, you know, again, the two -- the two things just in my
mind, I -- I would prefer they not coincide.
Clark: And I would just remind you that there is two garage spaces, two spaces in front
of the house. So, you have got four spaces meets code and, then, you have 82 additional
on-street parking spaces for the entirety of the project. I -- it's -- you know, experiences
have shown us that that is more than adequate to address the parking. But we will take
you to it.
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Seal: Commissioner Yearsley, do you have something?
Yearsley: Well, I was just going to laugh, because out of a 3,200 square foot lot the --
the garage is going to be storage. They are not going to park in that garage, I will
guarantee you. So, they have two parking spots in the front of their house and nothing
else and so I -- I totally agree. I don't -- I don't like the -- the shared driveways or the
number of shared driveways in this facility, so I -- I think it's a recipe for disaster in my
opinion.
Seal: Commissioner Lorcher, anything?
Lorcher: Agreed.
Seal: Okay. So, thank you, sir. Appreciate that.
Yearsley: Mr. Chair?
Seal: Go right ahead.
Yearsley: I move we close public hearing on H-2022-0064.
Seal: Do I have a second?
Lorcher: Oh, yes. Second.
Seal: It's been moved and seconded to close the public hearing on file number H-2022-
0064 for Hadler Neighborhood. All those in favor, please, say aye. None opposed and
motion carries to close the public hearing.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. TWO ABSENT.
Yearsley: Mr. Chair?
Seal: Go right ahead.
Yearsley: So, I was involved with the Movado Subdivision and I -- I did approve that
subdivision and I still think it's a good subdivision. He had multiple different -- I mean it
was a huge subdivision that had multiple different type uses. I -- I don't see the -- the
same comparison between Movado and the subdivision. I think this is way -- it's a -- it's
a -- in my opinion it's a -- how do I say it? How -- how dense can I put the -- how many
homes can I put on a -- on 20 acres is my opinion. If this was actually a little closer to
other facilities -- this is out in the middle of nowhere and to have this dense of a product
way out there in the middle of nowhere where there is no services, there is nothing, I just
-- you know, it's -- there is -- there is not a lot of good connecting streets yet. Traffic's
going to be horrible. I -- I could go on and on, but I just -- I think this is a horrible location
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to put this type of product. If they had more diverse -- you know, some R-8s and R-15s
maybe, but 20 acres of R-15 is -- I -- I can't support.
Seal: Thank you. Commissioner Lorcher?
Lorcher: Mr. Chair -- sorry. I'm conflicted on a couple of things. Mr. Clark said empty
nesters, young professionals, possibly divorced families were the target market, but they
are living across from the largest park in probably Ada county that supports families. So,
a product that would be right next to the biggest park I think would want to be one that
supports, you know, families with children that are going to play there, play baseball,
soccer, whatever amenities that they have, as well as you had 20 acres to work with and
you still put shared driveways in there. And, thirdly, as a -- an executive officer of the
Idaho PTA I have high concerns with the school capacity. So, I don't know if we want to
have them talk to the school board first and have a continuance or deny it and they can
go to City Council and, then, kind of work it out. I'm not really sure what to do with that.
But we don't know where the money from the legislature -- from the surplus is going to go
for the schools. That's not going to be decided until the beginning of the year. Pretty
convinced it's not going to go to build buildings. This subdivision is not proposing to have
a school built in their community, so -- and I don't know where the nearest elementary or
middle school is for Kuna. I know they have the two high schools and the professional
high school with all the proposed communities they already have and the worst thing that
we can do for our families is provide overcrowding in our schools. So, to me as soon as
that gentleman from the school board from Kuna came up, that's a huge red flag for me.
Seal: Okay. Thank you. Commissioner Stoddard, do you have anything to add?
Stoddard: No. I just agree actually with everything that you guys said. I agree that it's a
really dense product with a lot of houses crammed into a small area. So, I actually shared
a lot of the same concerns.
Seal: Okay. Thank you for that. Yeah. I struggled with this one. You know, as I have
shared in previous meetings, I have a son that he can't afford to live in Meridian anymore.
He lives in Boise. So, I agree, we need product types like this that are less expensive
and he kind of fits the bill. He's the guy that, you know, doesn't want a big yard, doesn't
want a lot to maintain and is going to go do other things, you know, outside of work --
work time. I do like the fact that you are putting in the regional pathways along there.
You are making it walkable, bikeable, more livable. I -- I do like that. You know, obviously,
hearing directly from the school, a lot -- most of the time we hear from West Ada they
send us a form letter and say, yep, we are overcrowded, but we can't say no, so -- but
hearing directly from the school that, you know, we are overcrowded and we can't take
anymore, that's a little bit different for sure. And, then, I do have a lot of reservations
about parking. I mean I -- I don't feel that it's -- I feel that you should have one or the
other, either reduced parking capability or shared driveways, but the two of them
combined, I -- I -- I just don't feel that I can support that. So, there is a lot of good things
that are happening in this. I mean your, you know, ability to work with staff and remove
the lot and everything is good. The pathways. The product. But again, I just have
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reservations about the parking and the schools. And with that if anybody else wants to
make a motion or further comment, I'm all ears. Commissioner Yearsley, you want to
take a stab at it?
Yearsley: Sure. Mr. Chair, after considering all staff, applicant, and public testimony, I
move to recommend denial to City Council of file number H-2022-0064 as presented in
the hearing date of November 3rd, 2022, for the following reasons: One, for the city of--
or the Kuna School District's overcrowding. The -- the density of the -- of the subdivision
I don't think fits the surrounding areas with lack of access and lack of -- of -- of public
services around there, like stores, restaurants, other facility -- you know, facilities.
Parking is an issue and -- and just --just over -- overcrowding of the area.
Stoddard: Second.
Seal: Okay. It's been moved and seconded to recommend -- recommend denial of file
number H-2022-0064. All in favor of denial, please, say aye. No opposed. Denial is
carried. Thank you.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. TWO ABSENT.
Seal: We will take a five minute bio break and we will be right back.
(Recess: 7:37 p.m. to 7:45 p.m.)
7. Public Hearing for Alden Ridge Subdivision (H-2022-0059) by Dave
Yorgason, Tall Timber Consulting, located at 6870 N. Pollard Lane and
three (3) parcels to the north and east, directly east of State Highway
16 and south of the Phyllis Canal at the northern edge of the Meridian
Area City Impact
A. Request: Annexation and Zoning of approximately 24.8 acres of land
with a request for the R-4 (20.35 acres) and R-8 (4.45 acres) zoning
districts.
B. Request: Preliminary Plat consisting of 65 building lots and 10
common lots on approximately 21.7 acres of land in the requested
zoning district
Seal: Okay. At this time I would like to open public hearing for file number H-2022-0059,
Alden Ridge Subdivision, and we will begin with the staff report.
Dodson: Thank you, Mr. Chair. My second and final one tonight. The site consists of
21.7 acres of land, zoned RUT and R-1, located at the northern edge of Meridian's area
of city impacts. So, complete opposite end of the previous one. It is directly south of the
Phyllis Canal, which, essentially, is our north boundary of our area of impact and directly
east of State Highway 16. It is designated as low density residential on our future land
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use map. The applications before you tonight are for annexation and zoning of
approximately 24.8 acres of land, with a request for the R-4 district and the R-8 district
and a preliminary plat consisting of 65 building lots and ten common lots on approximately
21.7 acres. The applicant has also requested alternative compliance to the required
landscape buffer adjacent to State Highway 16, which has been approved because it's
an administrative application. I will get into more of that later. The subject 22 acres is
located at the northern edge of the area of impact as noted and includes four county
parcels that contain three rural county homes. The largest home located at the very
northeast corner. That is incorrect. At the very northwest corner of the property is
proposed to remain, while the other two homes are shown to be removed upon
development of the site. As noted, the subject site does abut State Highway 16 on a
portion of its west boundary and the Phyllis Canal runs along the entire north boundary,
which limits any connectivity to the north or the west. To the east two county residential
parcels exist and will remain with their new access being to the south through an approved
development Pollard Subdivision. It will be -- their new permanent access will be to the
south. The temporary access will be through this subdivision. South of the subject
development is the aforementioned Pollard Subdivision, which is zoned R-8 and C-G
south of it. This development was approved as a mixed-use development consisting of
residential and flex space and commercial uses. The applicant is proposing 65 building
lots on approximately 21.7 acres, which constitutes the gross density just under three
units to the acre, 2.97, which is near the maximum allowed within the LDR, but overall
very low for the City of Meridian. The applicant is proposing two zoning districts within
the development to better transition from the existing R-8 to the south. So, they are doing
R-8 along the south boundary, just these two blocks of homes, and the remaining area is
proposed as R-4. To further help transition to the south, the applicant is also proposing
a 30 foot wide buffer with linear open space and a walking path along the entire south
boundary. Staff finds that the buffer and the proposed zoning is an adequate transition
from the south to the north. Minimum building lot size is proposed as 5,500 square feet,
which does exceed the minimum lot size for the R-8 district of 4,000 square feet. Within
the R-4 area the minimum building lot size is approximately 8,000 square feet. A number
of the perimeter lots are much larger than the minimum lot size of 8,000 square feet within
the R-8 zoning -- or R-4 zoning district. Staff finds that the proposed development
complies with all UDC dimensional standards and is generally consistent with the
Comprehensive Plan. Further, the applicant is providing excess open space, 3.1 acres
versus 2.77 acres required, and providing excess amenities, a picnic area worth two
points, pathways worth two points, two dog waste stations worth one point total and a
swimming pool with changing facilities worth four amenity points. Access to the site is a
main point of discussion and analysis within this project. Sorry. Main point of discussion
of analysis within this project, as well as with the timing of the development as it's integral
to its success, because there are no public streets currently constructed to the subject
development. There is existing right of way from the subject site to Chinden, but no
physical road within the right of way. This will persist until Brighton constructs Waverton
east-west through their site and connects to Pollard Lane at the west boundary.
According to the applicant Alden Ridge will connect to Pollard Lane with Brighton's first
phase of development for its required public street access. Because of this ACHD has
stated on their staff report that they will not approve any final plat for Alden Ridge until the
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required public street access is constructed. This same issue does persist for city sewer
service, as the adjacent developer to the south also needs to extend sewer services and
construct a lift station in their northwest corner in order to provide service to this entire
area. Public Works has approved the lift station at this time, but construction of Pollard
Subdivision No. 1 has not yet commenced. So, to help people understand the exhibit
here, the pink area is the right of way. Pollard Lane, as you can tell here, Asphalt Gray
is not part of that right of way, at least not all of it. A portion of it is. Because of that
ACHD is saying that there is no public road connection. There is a gap here. Pollard
Subdivision No. 1 is approved. It will construct West Waverton all along here. Obviously,
they will need to dedicate additional right of way here, but they will construct that and
because Pollard Lane exists here, it will be reconstructed as a full public street and, then,
Alden Ridge will have their public street access. A portion of the west boundary abuts
the ITD right of way for State Highway 16 and requires a 35 foot landscape buffer per the
UDC for the R-4 zoning district, because it is an entryway corridor. The applicant is
showing a common lot along the west boundary that is 20 feet in width, which does not
comply with the required width of 35 feet. To the existing location of the home and mature
trees, the required easement by the water company along the rear of those building lots
and the relative limited number of homes along the highway, the applicant has requested
alternative compliance to the location of the buffer and it's required width on the subject
property. To be clear, the applicant is not requesting to reduce the actual buffer width,
but to shift it over west of the property line, so that 20 feet is on the site and 20 feet is
within ITD right of way. According to the applicant ITD has approved the inclusion of this
landscaping within the right of way, as they have excess area that will not be used for
future road widening. Staff is supportive of this request because the actual buffer width
will be five feet wider than the minimum. It will allow for the existing mature vegetation to
remain and will also allow for a wider and more dense berm and landscaping to be placed
along this frontage. As with the previous project, there was no written testimony. Staff
has recommended approval with conditions and I will stand for any questions.
Seal: Thank you very much. Would the applicant like to come forward? Good evening,
sir. I need your name and address for the record and the floor is yours.
Yorgason: Good evening. I think Joe's going to pull my presentation for me. Perfect.
Thanks, Joe. Good evening, Commissioners. My name is Dave Yorgason. Address
14254 West Battenburg Drive, Boise, and I'm here as part of the development team for
Alden Ridge Subdivision. Also in the group is Kyle Enzler with me, which I think I can
answer all the questions you may have today, but if not he is also part of our group here.
He is also planning on being the builder for all or almost all the homes. His home building
company has built quite a few here in the City of Meridian and just great to be part of his
team for this development moving forward. In my presentation I will just highlight a few
points. I will introduce the site. The staff's done a great job kind of going over several
items. Talk over the application details and review the staff report with you. As staff has
identified, the site is located at the northeast corner of Highway 16 and Chinden, Highway
20-26. Approximately 22 acres in size and it is the north border of the city's area of impact.
In fact, you can see to the northwest of the site city of Star has now annexed property
and more or less contiguous to this site, which is interesting how the two are growing
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together. In our annexation and zoning request we are contiguous to the city limits, as
has been stated by staff. The Comprehensive Plan future land use map calls for this site
to be low residential -- low density residential and our request for a mix of zoning of R-4
and R-8, still less than the three dwelling units per acre. As staff had mentioned, we really
had had a lot of good discussion with the surrounding adjacent neighbors specifically to
the south. I have had a lot of discussion in the history of working in the City of Meridian
and recognize the importance of transition of lot sizes to future and/or existing
developments in the area, of which we are doing this here, too. And so our request is not
to really change the density, but to have similar lot sizes adjacent to similar lot sizes and
that's where our plan is along the south border only. The rest of which is the R-4 size lots
throughout the rest of the development. So, our total density still stays within the range
as required or suggested by the future land use map and as I mentioned also we are
adjacent to Brighton's development that's soon to be under construction. I will talk about
that here in a minute. And staff is supportive of this annexation and zone request. The
Alden Ridge Subdivision -- the summary for it is 65 total residential units, all single family
detached homes, to be developed in two phases. We will start in the southern area first,
south and west and, then, the second phase will be in the northeast area. As I mentioned,
we are considering the design for the transitional lot sizes to the south. But also
importantly this is not just jam in density, but we also think it's important to have high
quality amenities and additional open space, which we are providing in this site. We are
providing just over three -- about 3.1 acres of total open space, which is 14.4 percent of
the total size qualified, which exceeds the required amount for this development. As
noted, only four points is what's required in the amenity table that the city would require.
We are actually proposing more than double of that. We have nine total amenity points
for this community, including a swimming pool, picnic area, pathway network through and
without the development, path -- sorry. The dog waste stations and also the usable park,
which I think is an important concept. Sometimes we just have open space and you say
it's usable, but this really truly is a spot where you can throw your Frisbee or -- or your --
or your football or whatever in the area just around the -- the community pool. Here is
some illustrations of some homes that are planned to be built for this site. Again, all single
family detached homes. These are all renderings of homes that have or soon to be built
by this builder in -- in the surrounding community and you can see a nice variety of quality
custom homes, where they are modern styles -- or some Craftsman style, kind of a mix
of-- of a variety of homes for this community. A single story, two story as well. As we go
through the process of going through development, we know one thing is important is
neighbor feedback. We actually had two on-site neighborhood meetings to meet with our
adjacent neighbors and talk about the community. Also had several one-on-one
discussions with the neighbors in the area. A lot of comments of support and neutral. A
lot of the comments included appreciate the density, the transition that we are proposing,
the quality of homes and the amenities for the community. Really only one comment or
question was raised of concern -- I will call it a concern, but it's really timing. We are
providing a well site to the water company and the developer -- well, the commercial
builder--developer, if you will, to our southwest is Franklin Sensors. They need additional
water capacity to expand their commercial facilities and they are looking forward to this
well site being provided, so they can have that extra fire flow for their community. So, we
are really trying to work together with the community to try to meet those needs and that's
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what we are doing here, too. With regard to the staff report, oftentimes they come to the
city and say, you know what, I really like these conditions, but can you change one or
two? Not today. We are agreeing with all of the conditions as presented by staff. I do
want to highlight, as mentioned by Joe, discussed the traffic access, the timing of
Brighton's development, as well as the alternative compliance for the buffer. ACHD just,
as we all know, provides the conditions of approval for traffic and we agreed to all the
conditions of approval, just on the record no -- no change or conditions there also. With
regard to Waverton -- in this illustration you see in the bottom right-hand corner of this
image, this is actually from Brighton's engineer, KM Engineering. All the areas down at
the bottom in the black and white is their first phase and the red lines running east-west
would be their future phase two and so we are -- we are collaborating closely with them
as to what that will all look like and -- and for the record tonight I have an e-mail statement
from Jon Wardle of Brighton if you would like it, but we have worked very closely with
them and what they have said is they are starting construction next month in December.
They have -- staff has said they already have approval of the lift station for sewer. They
are in their second phase of review of construction plans with ACHD. As soon as they
have that in the next few weeks they will be under construction. So, the way we see it is
their construction will be long complete before we will begin construction with our
development. Knowing how long the process takes for not only this phase, but also
designing construction plans, construction plan review and approval and, then, before we
can finally get there. So, we really don't see a gap in -- in providing access to the
development, because all these improvements will be in place. Additionally, secondary
access -- if we have more than 30 lots secondary access is required. Brighton's given us
permission to build that access. That's the north-south road. I will use -- I don't know if
this mouse works. That's right, it doesn't. Anyway, there is -- one of the north-south roads
would be where that access is and we have their permission to build that if it's even
needed. So, again, closely working with them. Regarding the alternative compliance,
appreciate staff's comments and explanation of it. I will just highlight it quickly. There is
a nice home on the north -- northwest corner of the development with large trees and
some shops and some things and we really recognize the importance of maintaining
existing buffer. Likewise, the commercial to the south of us, which is not that much of a
gap in between, they really don't have any landscaping or very little and so we are really
kind of tight as to what we can do and our goal is not to provide less, but do more with
what we have and so we are going to be building a little bit wider landscape buffer. We
have worked with ITD for their approval to just have it straddle a little bit right of way and
also on our property. ITD is currently in the process of widening Chinden, Highway 16,
and -- and the Highway 16 all the way to Ustick to the freeway and so based on those full
build out plans, they still have additional right of way on that common border with us and
so we have that arrangement with them and so we agree with -- appreciate staff's support
and approval of that and we agree with their conditions. So, in conclusion, this is really a
quality development, not high density, it's a lower density development. We are -- we are
working closely with the neighbors and working together. We are enabling additional
water for expansion for Franklin Sensors when it's needed for them. Closely collaborating
with Brighton and with Franklin Sensors for the utilities and access. All the required
improvements will be in place prior to our start of construction, as conditioned in this
development, and we agree with all staff report conditions of approval. With that we
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request your approval tonight with the staff report conditions as stated and stand for any
questions you may have.
Seal: Any questions for the applicant? All right. Thank you very much. Appreciate it.
Yorgason: You are welcome. Thank you.
Seal: Madam Clerk, do we have anybody signed up testify?
Hall: We do. We have Dustin Hadfield.
Seal: Signifying he would not like to testify. So, no one else? Anybody else want to --
sir, come on up. Good evening. I will need your name and address for the record. Please
speak right into the microphone.
Peterson: All right. Thank you. My name is John Peterson and my address is 6786
North Pyra Avenue in Meridian, Idaho, and I live in a neighborhood that is adjacent to the
proposed, you know, subdivision and I actually really like the way that they have laid it
out. I feel like it's very congruent with the lot sizes that are -- you know, that are in that
same area. I like how they are all single family lots and it is being built by a builder that
builds really nice homes that are congruent with the area. And I think that pretty much
everyone that I know would support this development going in because of how nice it is
and the nice amenities that they have put in. They are putting in a pool, you know, so
they are going above and beyond as far as what they really need to do to build out a
neighborhood.
Seal: Okay. Thank you very much. Appreciate that. Anybody else would like to testify?
All right. Would the applicant like to come back up? So, it -- it sounds like nothing really
to address there, but I will -- the -- the -- the only question I have -- I have for you is as
I'm looking at the layout of the -- the common open space where Lot 9 and Block 3 kind
of juts down into -- seems like that squeezes that open space and reduces the ability to,
you know, have that flow and be a little bit more opening -- open without that being
constricted in there. Would you be amenable to squeezing -- you know, making Lot 9 a
little bit smaller in order to open that up for --
Yorgason- Yes. Mr. Chairman, for the record Dave Yorgason. Got my friend Dean over
here, so he knows who is talking. We actually already looked at that. We already did
move it open. So, it's -- it's more than what might be sometimes somebody squeezes like
ten foot wide and there is barely enough room for a five foot sidewalk and maybe a tree
on one side, maybe it's because the open space is a little bit larger proportionally, but,
again, these are a little bit larger lots, so we actually think it's okay as is. If you need us
to maybe clip the back corner of Lot 9, we would look at that, but we really don't know
that it's necessary. I have built personally in miles of pathways throughout the Treasure
Valley, feel very confident with what's here, but if you feel like you need us to review it we
will, but we have looked at it, we have already looked at it with staff -- actually more than
once and we are -- we think it will work, but --
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Seal: Okay.
Yorgason: --that would be my response. But if there are other questions --we appreciate
the comments tonight. We -- we -- we are excited about this moving forward, but I don't
know if that's a direct answer to your question, but we have looked at it and we think it's
more than adequate, but if you want us to relook at it, well, we will.
Yearsley: Mr. Chair, just to follow up with that. Looking at it, I'm assuming that that
pathway in between is a five foot pathway. So, more than likely you are, what, 20, 25 feet
between properties back there?
Yorgason: Mr. Chairman, Commissioner Yearsley, it's a minimum of 20 feet. It might be
closer to 25 at a minimum.
Yearsley: Yeah. That's -- that's what I thought. It looked -- looked fairly wide, so --
Yorgason: And you are correct, it's a five foot sidewalk and that is to scale.
Seal: Yeah. On the map it's only this --
Yorgason: You are -- you are right, it is only that.
Lorcher: Mr. Chair?
Yorgason: I promise the sidewalk won't be that big, though.
Seal: Commissioner Lorcher, go ahead.
Lorcher: For the lots that are on the -- the open space, the backyards are facing it. Are
you going to have open fencing or are they private vinyl fencing?
Yorgason: Mr. Chairman and Commissioner Lorcher, great question. There is actually
a conditioning here that requires us to meet the open fencing standard, which is -- sorry,
that's solid part way and open part way. We will meet the open space standard
requirements for the City of Meridian.
Lorcher: Okay. I think it's just the drawing that's kind of throwing you; right?
Seal: Yeah. A little bit. Just, you know, to see that space in there just squeezed a little
bit where -- you know, I mean as you are saying throw a football, throw a frisbee and
things like that, I mean it's a huge area. So, I don't think anybody's going to really have
any problems and I mean, to be honest, if you closed it off the other part would have its
own function for sure. So, I mean the only other question I have is that Block 1 , Lot 22,
that seems out of place, I guess, but I understand it, so -- I mean I don't know if I have a
question on that, it just seems out of place in the whole thing. I mean I understand where
the residence is going to remain, but --
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Yearsley: I actually think it fits, because you have the two estate lots on either side and
I'm guaranteeing you someone will want that. That's a desired lot.
Seal: Well, I -- I want that.
Yorgason: Maybe we will visit afterwards, Commissioner, but I can't say that on the mic,
but --
Seal: I love that lot.
Yorgason: We -- we -- we might already know who is headed that direction, but it's
nothing official, of course, until -- but we -- we recognize these would be nice premium
view lots all the way through there and it's right up on the rim. It's pretty -- pretty nice up
there.
Seal: Yeah.
Yorgason: Thank you.
Seal: Absolutely.
Yorgason: Appreciate that.
Parsons: Mr. Chair, Members of the Commission, if I could just ask Dave maybe another
professional opinion on opening that area up a little bit. Just like to give a little
commentary on that as well. Are you amenable to maybe just shifting Lots 10, 11 and 12
all the way to the backage of the sidewalk? And it kind of opens that up a little bit more
and lose some of that open space along the street there and add it to the other side.
Yeah. Shift those lots to the east.
Yorgason: Mr. Chairman and staff, I'm not even going to look over here who was going
to help make the decision, I'm going to say, actually, I think that would be less desirable,
because north facing backyards are more desirable lots and they back up to open space.
So, I would say to the design of this plat, I would prefer what we are presenting tonight.
But thanks for asking.
Seal: Okay. Anymore questions, comments? No? All right. Thank you very much.
Yorgason: You are welcome again. Thanks for your comments and your time tonight.
Seal: Thank you.
Yorgason: You are welcome.
Seal: Okay. Can I have a motion to close the public hearing for file number H-2022-
0059?
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Lorcher: So moved.
Yearsley: Second.
Seal: It's been moved -- excuse me. It's been moved and seconded to close the public
hearing for file number H-2022-0059. All in favor, please, say aye. No opposed. The
public hearing is closed.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. TWO ABSENT.
Yearsley: Mr. Chair?
Seal: Commissioner Yearsley.
Yearsley: So, I guess besides having a --a really good design and layout, timing is always
a benefit to you as well, going from an application that's really really dense to one that's
really big. Also provides -- you know, this -- this is really nice. Sorry for that. But I --
like it. I -- anytime I can get an R-4 I'm -- I'm happy. I -- I -- I apologize, but I'm tired of
seeing subdivisions that can try to pack as many homes in as they can. I understand that
this is a desirable area and you want the bigger lots and -- and it makes sense to have --
to meet that -- that criteria and I -- I can't say more that I'm -- I'm in very much support of
this project.
Lorcher: Mr. Chair?
Seal: Go right ahead.
Lorcher: After considering all staff, applicant, and public testimony, I move to approve to
City Council file number H-2022-0059 as presented in the staff report for the hearing date
of November 3rd, 2022, with no modifications.
Stoddard: Second.
Seal: Thank you. Okay. It's been moved and seconded to approve file number H-2022-
0059 with no modifications. All those in favor say aye. None opposed. Motion carries.
Thank you very much.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. TWO ABSENT.
8. Public Hearing for Turin Plaza (H-2022-0063) by 12.15 Design, located
at 3169 W. Belltower Dr.
A. Request: Rezone of 1.80 acres of land from the R-4 (Medium Low-
Density Residential) to the L-O (Limited Office) zoning district.
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Seal: Okay. At this time I would like to open the public hearing for file number H-2022-
0063, for Turin Plaza and we will begin with the staff report.
Parsons: Thank you, Chair, Members of the Commission. Next item on the agenda is
Turin Plaza. The application before you is for a rezone and a short plat. The site consists
of 1.62 acres of land, currently zoned R-4 in the city and is located at 3169 West Belltower
Drive. This property was annexed in 2001 with the R-4 zoning district. It actually was
part of the Bridgetower PUD annexation at that time. It actually had a use exception
approved for it, so you see R-4, but it's allowed to develop with office. As part of their
recorded development agreement for this property it did require the applicant to go
through a rezone process with us before they developed the lot. So, that's kind of the
first step of tonight's discussion is rezoning it from R-4 to L-O and, then, the second piece
of that is to actually further subdivide the existing lot and block that was created with the
subdivision. So, you can see here the applicant has provided a conceptual development
plan associated with that rezone to L-O. You can see they are proposing four additional
office lots on here. All of the landscaping along Ten Mile Road and the private street
along the east boundary has already been constructed, because, again, this is an existing
lot in the subdivision already, they are just further subdividing. So, here is the short plat
before you. Typically Council acts on the short plat, but because it is concurrent you guys
are a recommending body on this particular application. So, as noted in the staff report,
because they are further subdividing, we want to make sure that there is adequate parking
and cross-access, but between all of these office lots we are -- have recommended a
condition of approval that the applicant record a cross-access shared parking agreement
for the development. I have looked at the public record, did not see any public testimony.
Staff is recommending -- recommending approval with the conditions in the staff report
and with that I will stand for any questions.
Seal: Okay. Thank you, Bill. Would the applicant like to come forward?
Parsons: He may be online. Is the applicant online?
Seal: Right here.
Parsons: I thought Jessica was going to be here. My apologies.
Hunter: Well, she -- she's online I think.
Parsons: Okay. Perfect.
Moorhouse: So, I'm here as a backup.
Seal: So, she's -- she's raising her hand it looks like.
Moorhouse: I will let her present.
Seal: Yep. I think so. Thank you.
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Hall: Are you there, Jessica?
Petty: I am. Can you hear me?
Hall: Yes, we can.
Petty: Perfect. All right. So, my name is Jessica Petty with 12.15 Design, 1897 South
Satellite Way, Boise, Idaho. We are requesting the rezone of the Turin Plaza Subdivision
from an R-4 to an L-O zoning district. We feel this would benefit the community and
nearby neighborhoods by being able to provide them with new services and new
businesses, rather than having the higher density residents built there. We feel it's very
consistent with the properties to the north and surrounding it and we think it would, you
know, fit in and complement the community really great and we are in full agreement with
all the recommendations from the staff to incorporate the --the -- the property line change
or shifting the building and for a larger buffer on the side there and, then, to do the shared
parking agreement is not a problem for us. So, we are -- we are on board with everything
and we appreciate it.
Seal: All right. Thank you very much, Jessica. Does anybody have any questions for
the applicant or staff? No? All right. With that we will open the public hearing, if anybody
has signed up to testify, Madam Clerk.
Hall: We have a David Moorhouse.
Moorhouse: I'm David Moorhouse. 3536 West Ryder Cup. I'm the owner of the property
and I just signed up in -- just in case there was questions in addition to the -- what was
presented, so --
Seal: Okay.
Moorhouse: I didn't have anything other to add, unless there is questions.
Seal: Commissioners?
Yearsley: No.
Lorcher: No.
Seal: All right. Thanks, sir. Appreciate it. All right. Would anybody else like to testify?
If so raise your hand. No? All right. Does the applicant have anything else to -- to add
before we close the public hearing?
Petty: No, I -- I don't have anything. Thank you.
Seal: All right. Thanks very much. Commissioners, anything from you?
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Yearsley: No.
Seal: No? All right. Can I get a motion to close the public hearing on file number H-
2022-0063?
Lorcher: So moved.
Yearsley: Second.
Seal: It's been moved and seconded to close the public hearing for file number H-2022-
0063. All those in favor, please, say aye. All right. The ayes have it. The public hearing
is closed.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. TWO ABSENT.
Seal: Would anybody like to discuss or throw a --
Yearsley: I don't know that --
Seal: -- a motion or -- yeah.
Yearsley: It's -- it's a pretty straightforward simple project and I think it fits the area. So,
I agree with the zoning.
Seal: Okay. I would take -- gladly take a motion.
Lorcher: Mr. Chair?
Seal: Commissioner Lorcher, go ahead.
Lorcher: After considering all staff and applicant and public testimony, I move to
recommend approval to -- are we recommending to City Council? Okay. Recommend
to City Council for file number H-2022-0063 as presented in the staff report for the hearing
date of November 3rd, 2022, with no modification.
Yearsley: Second.
Stoddard: Second.
Seal: It's been moved and seconded to approve file number H-2022-0063 with no
modifications. All those in favor, please, say aye. Okay. No opposing, so motion carries.
Thank you very much.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. TWO ABSENT.
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9. Public Hearing for McDermott Village (H-2022-0056) by Boise Hunter
Homes, located at 3235 N. McDermott Rd. at the northwest corner of
W. Ustick Rd. and N. McDermott Rd.
A. Request: Annexation of 40.05 acres of land with R-15, R-40 and C-
G zoning districts.
B. Request: Preliminary Plat consisting of 85 building lots (81
townhome, 1 multi-family, 3 commercial lots) and 8 common lots on
40.05 acres of land in the R-15, R-40 and C-G zoning districts.
C. Request: Conditional Use Permit for a multi-family residential
development consisting of 250 dwelling units on 12.19 acres of land
in the R-40 zoning district.
Seal: Okay. And last, but not least, we will open the file H-2022-0056 for McDermott
Village and we will begin with the staff report.
Parsons: Thank you, Mr. Chair, Members of the Commission. The last item on the
agenda this evening before we adjourn is the McDermott Village project. It's an
annexation and zoning, preliminary plat, and conditional use permit. You can see here
on the future land use map that the subject property is mixed-use regional on the
Comprehensive Plan and you can see on the zoning map the current boundary of the city
limits. There is no application history per se for this particular project, as they are actually
here to talk with you tonight about it. The property is located on the southeast -- or excuse
me -- the southwest corner of Ustick and McDermott Road. This -- this project is unique
-- if you can imagine. You probably saw in that graphic there that there is actually State
Highway 16 that goes through this property and bisects it. In the staff report I think city
staff did a great job of explaining the situation of why we are supporting this application
this evening, just for the fact of the uniqueness of having a state highway run through this
property. I would mention to the Commission that the applicant was in front of City Council
and asked for the specific land use designation as part of the Comprehensive Plan update
in 2019. The requested zoning with the annexation request includes R-40, which is
approximately 15.85 acres of land. We have a C-G piece of property, zoned 7.08 acres
and across -- or the east side of the future State Highway 16 the applicant is proposing
R-15 of approximately 17.12 acres of land. Here is the conceptual development plan
submitted with that application. Again, you can see how the intersect--the state highway
intersects the property. So, it's really almost a -- a tale of two projects in -- in a sense with
the way this works out and so in our -- in our analysis of the Comprehensive --
Comprehensive Plan for this particular project we couldn't find that it was entirely
consistent with all the mixed-use regional standards, but what -- given the circumstances
we felt it was generally consistent with the Comprehensive Plan and what I mean by that
is Sonya did a great job of laying the foundation that the project on the west did integrate
a little bit more with the surrounding developments because of what had been approved
and developed on that particular side of the road and, then, as you transition to the other
side of the road this provides a buffer to the state highway and transitions on that side of
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the road as well. So, I think overall staff is supporting this project with the two residential
-- or the two land use types that are proposed before you. So, we have, essentially,
commercial, some office and, then, townhome development and a commercial -- or
excuse me -- and a multi-family development. I appreciate the applicant also showing
you some of the other developments in the area here on the graphic to the -- to the right.
It gives you that overall comprehensive view of what's been approved along this corridor
thus far, so I -- I think it -- it kind of tells the tale of what's actually happening and I think
this Commission is aware of all the growth that's occurring in this area. You will also note
on the concept plan here that access to the west -- western portion of the development is
coming off of Ustick Road here. This is -- this will be a public street and constructed with
the subdivision and, then, also ties into Aviator Springs development to the north. So,
this is the primary spine road adjacent to an arterial or the state highway and it will provide
that necessary secondary access that we are looking for in this particular area. The
applicant is proposing, again, a preliminary plat consisting of 85 buildable lots. So, one
-- one would be a multi-family lot, three commercial lots and, then, 81 townhome lots.
Again you can see the west half of this green is the west side of State Highway 16 and,
then, the townhome portion is the east side, which has 81 townhome lots. You can also
see that the applicant is proposing to phase the project. So, phase one will commence
with the multi-family and I'm sure the road that comes into the development to serve it.
Phase two is across the other side of the roadway, which is the townhome development
and, then, phase three will be the commercial development. I would also note to the
Commission that at this current time there are no plans for any commercial development,
meaning there is no end user to -- to locate on this site. It's really speculative. The
applicant -- we worked with the applicant through numerous meetings to try to get
something that was consistent with the Comprehensive Plan. They felt this was there --
and, again, given the -- the -- the look at this and seeing that there is a highway going
through, it's just really challenging to get a regional draw on something that's going to be
bisected by the state highway. So, really, if you look at this project approximately 26
acres of this site is on the -- the east side -- or, excuse me, the west side of the roadway
and the remainder falls across the east side of the road. So, again, as I mentioned to you
it's -- it's a little disjointed, just because of the highway, so we -- we tried to lay the -- lay
the foundation for you as best we could. But, again, staff is supporting this project. So,
both projects -- can't call them both projects. But this project has to require -- comply with
open space requirements. This is their proposed landscape plan. The highlighted areas
show the areas that can count towards the required open space. So, then, again, the
multi-family portion and commercial portion are highlighted in red here on the west and,
then, on the east side you see the additional open space that's proposed. In the staff
report staff did make the finding that the project does comply with the open space
standards, not only for multi-family standards, but also the single -- single family
standards, which is happening or occurring on the east side of the roadway and, then, as
part of the mixed-use regional standards, the applicant's required to provide some open
space as part of that project -- that portion of the development as well and you can see
here there is a central plaza that's built or proposed in between two of those commercial
structures. So, staff has made that a recommended DA provision as well for that to occur
with the development of the commercial project with phase three. Staff also noted that
the amenities proposed for the -- both the multi-family and the single family met city code.
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There was a little back and forth with the applicant as far as the amenities proposed for
the multi-family project. There were some misunderstandings about the commercial
kitchen component of the conditional use permit. I had a chance to work with the applicant
or at lease talk over that condition with them today. So, again, the Commission can either
strike the word commercial and just leave the outdoor kitchen as part of an amenity or
just strike that amenity altogether, because based on the amenity package that they are
proposing for the multi-family, they are in excess of UDC standards. But as you know,
once you get over a certain unit count for multi-family developments, it's up to your
purview to determine whether or not the applicant is -- is proposing the right number of
amenities for the size of the development. In this particular case the conditional use
permit is for 250 units. Staff also asked for further clarification on the amenities for the
single family portion of the townhome portion and that's what this graphic on the right
represents. So, the applicant does meet -- or exceed the -- the amenity points required
by the UDC. I will skip over this slide. I think you are aware there is multiple structures,
250 units. Again, the site plan complies with the parking ratios and they meet the open
space and amenity requirements per code. And, then, as far as conceptual building
elevations, here is what the applicant is proposing for not only the townhomes, but also
the multi-family. We believe that it does kind of blend in with the surrounding
developments. Any further refinement would occur with administrative design review with
a certificate of zoning compliance -- application and design review application I should
say. No conceptual elevations were submitted for the commercial portion. So, again,
that's fine, they don't have an end user, they don't know what it's actually going to look
like yet. They want to keep that portion of the site someone flexible until they have
somebody that can locate there. So, looking at the record it looks like we did have
somebody that provided testimony. They didn't give a name, so we labeled it Meridian
residents. They are concerned with overcrowding at schools and just the continuing
growth happening in Meridian. And, then, Todd Tucker, the applicant's representative,
did provide a response to the staff report and he's requested that condition A-10K be
removed, which is reference to that commercial kitchen as I mentioned and, then, staff is
recommending a revision to DA Provision F and that's on your hearing outline. So,
basically, we just want to add the name of a street and just clarify in the development
agreement that the multi-use pathway required along that roadway can occur on the west
side and not directly on the east side adjacent to the state highway. And also after looking
at the staff report as well, I would also note that that same condition is condition of
approval 3-B as well. So, I will also make sure that that language gets added to that
condition as well as we transition to City Council. With that, again, staff is recommending
approval and I will stand for any questions you may have.
Seal: All right. Thank you, Bill. At this time would the applicant like to come forward?
Good evening, gentlemen. We need one of your names and address for the record
and --
Hunter: Yeah. Sure thing. My name is Travis Hunter with Boise Hunter Homes, 923
South Bridgeway Place, Eagle, Idaho. So, we are the principal partner in the McDermott
Village Subdivision here before you guys tonight and we are grateful for another
opportunity for a unique project in the City of Meridian. Having the right team is really the
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key piece to any successful development project and I couldn't be more excited for the
team we have put together for this project, as it's so dynamic. So, as this project blends
multi-family, commercial, and for sale housing, we have partnered with the Pacific
Companies, which are some of the country's best multi-family developers and if you are
not familiar with their work, one of their projects is actually right across the street from
here, the Old Town Lofts development. Working on the architecture side, we have
partnered -- and the -- and the landscape architecture side we have partnered with GGLO
and Pivot North and both of them have produced high quality projects, both locally and
regionally. The McDermott Village project offers the City of Meridian a timely and low risk
development that utilizes the Meridian comp plan to develop a critical 40 acre piece that
is adjacent to the existing Owyhee High School and the future Highway 16 extension,
which is coming fast. I will now turn over the details of the application to Josh Evarts, the
development manager with the Pacific Companies.
Evarts: Yeah. Good evening, Commissioners. Josh Evarts, 303 East State Avenue, Old
Town, Meridian. 83642. Hey, I appreciate you guys having us here tonight. This one is
a labor of love. This is not easy to do. So, this project -- I won't burden you with the order
of events. We are going to talk about the property. We are going to talk about what the
ask is and, then, we will get into some of the details and -- and challenges of this guy.
The property was 40 acres that was bought back in 2006 by the Hunter family, a family
that develops single family homes. This property was in the path of growth and saw an
opportunity to develop that in the future. In 2017 ITD redefined the final five miles of
Highway 16 and we ended up with a property that had some unique characteristics
associated with it. So, what we are looking at is we felt that the reason that we went to
City Council during that comp plan is that we really felt that Owyhee High School would
become that regional draw and we felt like we could wrap a project on this property, even
with the highway dividing it, and have a mixed-use regional draw element product that we
could put in place for the City of Meridian in this area. So, what we are asking for tonight
is, obviously, the annexation of the property. It is designated mixed-use regional and --
which is a mix of employment, retail, residential dwellings, six to 40 units per acre. We
are proposing 12 and a half units per. We definitely wanted to keep with kind of an open
design that can be kind of a transitional element from -- from some of these open spaces
into some of its higher density partners that exist around it. We need a rezoning request.
We have the R-40, the R-15 and the commercial that's down below and we will go into
some details on that and, then, obviously, the preliminary plat for each of those 250
dwellings multi-family the Pacific Companies will be building 81 townhomes that will be
the responsibility of Boise Hunter Homes and, then, the commercial that we are going to
do cooperatively. We think that there is some really strategic things that we can go after
that really does make this -- even though it feels like separate projects that can really
make this a mixed-use project that can be delivered to the region. We do need a
conditional use permit for the Unified Development Code for the multi-family, so that's
one little add-on that we need there. So, let's talk about the challenge. So, Highway 16,
we make the decision, right, or transportation makes the -- department makes the
decision to initiate this extension going from State Highway 44 all the way to Highway 84,
so -- or Interstate 84. Phase one was completed in 2014. The design for this last five
miles was finished in 2020, funded in '21 and is in the process of working through different
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sections of that right now, even though they haven't gotten to our piece of property in --
in particular. So, our solution was, number one, we kind of had to conduct an assessment.
We really had to sit down as a team. I think that the Hunter family in their wisdom started
bringing some bright people together, Pivot North, GGLO, Pacific Companies to go, okay,
what does this look like? What can we offer. What -- what's something that we can do
here? And approach the site comprehensively, not look at this as a divided piece of
property, but look at it as a project that we can deliver. Building that team. And, then, we
have actually leaned in to try to be a good partner, knowing at the end of the day this road
is going through. So, on our own volition and dollars we did put in a north sewer main
and south sewer main to support development that would happen on either side of this
and get that done and, then, we also granted a water line easement to the City of Meridian
along the entire southern border of the project and we just felt like it was important for us
to -- to lean into this and be -- be a good partner with the city. So, McDermott Village,
what is it? It's a mixed-use regional program development. We are leveraging Owyhee
High School as our primary draw here. I did want to make note of the one comment that
came in earlier about the impact of West Ada. I know we talked about it with Kuna earlier.
The letter was actually submitted from West Ada, the planners on this project. They are
estimating that we are going to add about 73 students and they didn't express any
concerns. Their only concerns were that we were giving access from the development to
Owyhee High School, which we have done in three areas. Just an additional data point.
Multi-family lifestyle community, we -- we really leaned into amenities here and what we
would be able to offer on this site, especially in such close proximity to the -- the high
school. Single family townhomes. This was, as staff reported, the more challenging of
the two sides to -- to develop a product. There are some unique things. You will notice
that there is a -- a cul-de-sac at the end of McDermott. So, that doesn't exist today, but
as soon as the highway goes in that does get cul-de-sac'd at the end of that. So, there
are just some unique access challenges, but I think we came up with a great concept to
do these single family townhomes, which we think are going to be at a price point that
has a -- a great amount of affordability associated with it, which we think fits with this
whole transitional model of going from the regional draw, the multi-family, some very
affordable townhomes and then -- and, then, leading into the rest of the region as we
have laid it out. Retail and office amenities and, then, lots of integrated green space. Just
felt that that was very very important. So, the comp plan. This is -- this is what guided a
lot of our development. This is the mixed-use regional sample laying out the single family
residences, the retail office, hospitality and integrated plazas. So, our take on this as we
look at kind of the data overlay and the colors here, is on the east side of the project we
have the 81 townhomes. You can see the green space of the pickleball courts in the
north, as well as the big open green space that's in the middle of the project. We have
the 250 apartments that are in the yellow. You will see all the green space that's in the
middle of that. The amenity space. For the entire project we are at 32 percent, which
includes plazas, pickleball courts, walking paths -- specifically walking paths that are also
connected to Owyhee High School. In the front in the commercial we have 15,000 square
feet of office retail space that we think that -- we don't have specifics. We do have some
things that we are wanting to target in that space that we think fit with being off of a -- a
access point off the Interstate and, then, we just have amenities specific to the multi-
family, 9,000 square foot clubhouse that does have a full indoor kitchen, big accordion
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doors that open up into the public space, outdoor barbecue, pool, lots of fun stuff to do
there on site. So -- why didn't that not advance? Oh. Elevations. So, this gives some
idea as to what we are looking at. So, this is looking north at the multi-family commercial.
You notice we have kind of reflected. We do think one of the natural fits for this, given
the fact that it's right off of the state highway or Highway 16, is a fuel convenience store
option. We have done a lot of time looking at Rocky Mountain High School and looking
at a lot of the successful businesses, the grab and go food. We also think in order to
drive more jobs we are looking and -- and just amenities that would be specific to the
multi-family, we are looking at dentists, optometrists, things of that nature, that would be
things of sports doctors, things that we could see students that are at the high school that
are going to be in walking distance, that they would be able to take advantage of. Looking
west at the multi-family, again, you can see some of the buffer and -- and -- and
landscaping that exists, how we set those buildings back to make sure that those buffers
exist and, then, the high school in the background. If we look at this public plaza this is
one of the big things that we focused on. I think GGLO and -- and Pivot North did a great
job of -- of really creating these kind of environments that are walkable, that are -- that
are going to be friendly to kind of the -- the -- the region and, excuse me, finally, the
townhome elevations. Again, wanting to fit -- I think like staff reported wanting to fit in
with some of the designs and -- and -- and things that were happening in the region and
-- and not be developing something that was outside the norm and we know that there
are challenges with this, so we wanted to make sure we were being very careful with --
with some of those design things to fit in. So, some staff comments that we wanted to
address. So, there was a request -- staff was looking to require a ten foot wide multi-use
pathway within the Highway 16 buffer. So, all this pink area, this is the pathways on the
property. I will just point out the blue circles on the west side of the property, those directly
go into Owyhee High School. That's some pretty neat points right near baseball fields
and stuff that's going on. The path to the north of the multi-family ties right into the
subdivision, the single family community above us. So, we are providing that multi -- or
that ten foot wide path on the multi-family side of the project. Where we run into issues
is we are providing that ten foot path on the east side of the townhomes. There just wasn't
enough room with the buffers and things that we had to provide to -- to squeeze that ten
foot pathway on the east side of the property. So, we moved that to the west side on the
-- on the townhome side of the project. Requiring a 25 foot landscape buffer between the
commercial lots and the residential lots to the west is the Flowers' property. Flowers'
properties -- if you look at this drawing, the easement that we were given by ACHD -- or
access that we were given by ACHD, that -- that parking or that -- that driveway that goes
in-out, we are only 24 feet off the property line to get to the middle of that. So, it really is
impossible for us to do a 25 foot and -- and, ultimately, because that Flowers property is
designated mixed-use commercial on the future land use map, it wouldn't be a
requirement to have a 25 foot element there. So, it would be asking for a -- a variance to
not have to do that. We --we just would lose the southern access to this --to this property.
We can't move that--that--that driveway or that access point any further east. Requiring
a 35 foot wide buffer along Highway 16 and McDermott Road, code does allow for a ten
percent variance option. So, on, again, the multi-family side we are right there. We are
currently at 33 feet, so -- so, no issues at all there. On the other side of the project where
it squeezes down on the far north, we get down to a 26 foot buffer between the
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westernmost lot on the north of that project. So, even with that ten percent variance
where it's -- it's not sufficient to -- to meet that 30 foot -- 30 foot wide buffer, so we are
looking for some consideration there. If you look at the on ramp, the 50 foot buffer, there
is a retaining wall on the east side of the buffer and the 26 feet that we are providing, we
feel that at 76 feet that's -- that's -- that's sufficient and we are really trying not to lose lots
in order to make sure that -- that these still maintain, you know, affordability. It really is
going to cost us about the same amount whether we have that one extra lot or more and
-- and so it really does impact the -- the -- the -- the cost of these properties ultimately to
a buyer later on. Requiring the 30 foot wide buffer along McDermott Road, this really isn't
-- it -- this won't be a thing. So, this -- as soon as this gets terminated as a cul-de-sac it
will no longer be an entryway corridor. So, we won't have a requirement to have that 30
foot wide -- 35 foot wide buffer on that side. So, we are -- we are asking to not have to
put that in, since that is going to get ended. And, then, finally, requiring all townhomes to
be a minimum 2,000 square feet. So, one of the things that the code does allow for is a
variance can be given to relieve an undue hardship because of the characteristics of the
site, as long as we are not detrimental to the public health, safety, and welfare. Just given
the nature of this Highway 16, we also have in the green spaces and that's in the middle,
that's the hundred foot wide Sky Pilot drain easement that we can't touch that we have to
maintain. We really did try to program as much as we could in this piece of property, so
that we could get to a product -- these townhomes that were -- that were the right price
point and the -- and the -- and the right product in this area. We are not far off of this, but
if we do have to comply and get to that 2,000 square feet, we are going to lose about ten
percent of the available units, so we are estimating nine units, which is negating a portion
of that whole affordable spirit of the development. So, with that I am open to any
questions and thank you for your consideration. And staff.
Seal: Commissioners, any questions? No? All right. Thank you very much.
Starman: Mr. Chairman, can I take care of some housekeeping real quick?
Seal: Absolutely.
Starman: And if I missed this I apologize, but Commissioner Lorcher and I had a
discussion a little earlier today that she may have a conflict of interest relative to this
project. If that's the case -- I'm not sure if you made your decision about that, but if that's
so I was just reconfirming you do need to make an announcement on the record and we
have already talked about you could not participate in deliberations or voting, but if you
have decided that you are going to recuse -- I -- I guess I would recommend now that
you, you know, make that comment and explain why and, then, refrain from participation
in -- you know, participating in deliberations or voting on the item.
Lorcher: So, based on counsel today, because I am a neighbor of this particular project,
my farm is just adjacent to it to the east, I am going to recuse myself this evening.
Seal: Okay. Thank you. Appreciate the reminder on that. All right. Madam Clerk, do
we have anybody signed up to testify?
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Hall: Ron Hopper.
Seal: Good evening, sir. Need your full name and address for the record, please.
Hopper: Name is Ron Hopper. My address is 3510 North McDermott Road. I live right
across from this proposed project. I only have a couple of concerns. It looks like a good
project, but all this traffic is going to dump on McDermott Road and Ustick. Those roads
are two lane roads. They weren't designed for an additional 500 cars a day. So, is the
developer going to maintain the road? Is he going to put in a turn lane? Is he going to
build up the aprons? This is what my concern is. And also the traffic. The kids. I have
got two kids -- grandkids that go to Owyhee High School and so now you are going to be
dumping all these cars on Ustick. You are creating an accident is what you are creating.
So, just think about it. If some kid gets hit by a car, remember that, okay? I mean it's a
nice project, but you need to have more access or better control. That's my comments.
Thank you.
Seal: All right. Thank you, sir. Appreciate that. Anybody else signed up?
Hall: Rod Green.
Seal: Good evening, sir. Name and address for the --
Green: Good evening. Yeah. Excuse me. My name is Rod Green. My wife and I -- my
wife Bonnie over there, we live at 3560 North McDermott Road. We are right next and
behind Ron who just spoke and right across from the east part of this development. We
have the same concern about the traffic. If you do a quick calculation based on a little
over two cars per townhouse and maybe three trips per day, you are going to have almost
a trip every minute during the nine hours of your working day. Now, the problem with that
is traffic isn't evenly distributed throughout the day as you well know. You have a lot of
congestion in the mornings, a lot of congestion during the evenings and at other peak
times of the day. So, it's going to be really hard to get in and out of our properties is what
I'm saying. Our driveway for our property lines up almost directly across from the northern
access to -- there is -- there is two access points. Let me try to describe it a little better
to this eastern portion of this development for McDermott Village. Okay. The northern
entrance to that property lines up almost directly across from our driveway. We think
that's going to be a problem. Why? Because I think most of the traffic in and out of this
eastern portion of this development is probably going to go through that northern access
point. There is not much point for all of those people to turn out of their townhomes and
go south and get on McDermott and come back up north to get to the drive around point
to get to Ustick on north to McMillan. It just looks like it's going to be a problem situation
right there and right across from our driveway. So, we have a lot of concern about that.
Otherwise, we have I think a general concern for the total amount of build out that you
have got going in this part of the -- of your city. The Aviator Springs -- I think it's Aviator
Springs to the north -- looks like there is a lot of apartments there and it doesn't look good.
I don't know if you have driven out that way and looked at it. It just looks like a big bunch
of stacked multi-story apartments. Is that really what we want? Is that -- is that a good
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transition to the rural environment that we have had out there? We moved there in 2004,
you know, and loved the peace and quiet. That's why we bought there. We are not going
to have that anymore. We have got Highway 16. We have got all this other development
going on. Have we been compensated in any way for what we have lost? No. Will we
even have access to the utilities that you are bringing in to this development, such as
natural gas, high speed Internet, water if we should need it at some point or sewer?
doubt it. Just because of our location we probably won't have that. So, those are our
concerns. Thank you for your time, Mr. Chairman, Council Members. Thank you. That's
it.
Seal: Thank you very much. Appreciate it.
Hall: Bonnie Green.
Seal: All right. Anybody else would like to testify? Sir, come on up.
Elam: My name is Paul Elam. I live at 5127 North Assisi Road, Meridian. I have been
here before in relation to the Bridgetower complex and -- and as much as I hated that
one, this is much worse. I would say this is garbage. Complete garbage. Twelve three
story buildings. I don't know if people have really taking that in. Our daughter goes to
Owyhee High School and right now it's a freak show in the mornings and I'm sad to hear
that Commissioner Lorcher is going to not vote on this, because I actually think she would
give the most valuable opinion, because she is nearby and could say exactly what that
area is like. In the morning this week they have been putting in a gas line on -- on
McMillan, which is right on the opposite side. You have two main streets going in toward
McDermott. One is Ustick and one is McMillan. As you continue on down to the Storm
Avenue I think it's called, then, they -- that road goes all the way between both of them
on Owyhee High School. This is adjacent to it. It's literally--when you go there for games
it will block out the sky. I mean it's tragic. I wish I had never bought here to see this kind
of thing go in and the only reason they are going to get away with this in some ways is
because nobody knows. These fine people over here are nearby and they see it, but the
500 yard -- I think it's 500 yards or something like that where they send out the cards,
well, there are a lot of farms in there and, then, they should send out a card to everybody
who has a student going to that school, because, frankly, the comprehensive report is
completely out of date and the planning team seems to approve almost everything that
goes through as far as I can see. It was done in 2019 and in 2019 there was a completely
different Meridian. It's nothing like what we live in today and it's tragic in what has
happened. All along McMillan from where we live near Walmart all the way down to
Owyhee there is buildings going in on all sides, which are homes. Granted they are
homes, I can't stop that, but also there is a new school going in there, which means that
all the traffic will be going back and forth and if you can believe the estimated 71 students
-- I won't even describe what that really is. There is no way -- Marci Horner who does
West Ada's form letter that sends out for every application says the same thing, which is
basically that these three schools that are -- that these students would funnel into -- one
of them is in our community and Bridgetower, is already at capacity. It's max. The parents
are fuming every day, because they can't even hire teachers to go in that school. So,
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what I would ask is that closing -- I'm sure my time is running out soon -- is that Kurt read
again what they did at the Bridgetower conditional use permit time was all the reasons
why you can deny this claim and I will give some examples of them real quick. Some of
the examples on how you can deny this claim are in the code of ordinances, findings,
which include that -- that the design, construction, operation and maintenance will be
compatible with other uses in the general neighborhood. There is no support services
anywhere near this area. They will have to drive either to Nampa or into Meridian on
either Ustick or on McMillan to get to everything they want to do. Very few people will
jump right on 16. Is it -- it's an existing or intended character or the general vicinity that
such use will not adversely change the essential character of the same area. This project
will adversely change the whole area. There is nothing even remotely like it anywhere
near it, except if you go up 16, going towards State Road, you will see there there is three
story apartment buildings that also block out the sky. Is that the kind of experience that
we want for our students at Owyhee High School is they look up and they can't even see
the mountains that their school was built -- was built to view? It's unbelievable to me.
Going on. Some other reasons to deny would be that the proposed land, if it complies
with the conditions of the approval imposed, will not adversely affect the other property in
the vicinity. I think we all know that if you build a bunch of apartments right next to the
school it will directly adversely impact those other properties in that vicinity. Number five.
That the proposed use will be served adequately by essential public facilities and
services, such as highways, streets, schools, parks, police, fire protection, drainage
structures, refuse disposal, water and sewer. I think we can all agree that the information
sent over by those different agencies is not adequate and won't fundamentally explain
the true nature of that area. I know I'm going over my time. Finally, I will just add that a
nearby neighbor applied to be on this Commission in one of the open spots and I would
like to go on the record in saying that nobody, either Andrew Seal, nor the Mayor followed
up with them for -- it's been over a month now and it seems like having more opinions on
the Commission would be a better way to really project what we want to build in Meridian
for our families. Thank you very much for your time.
Seal: All right. Thank you. Anybody else like to testify? No? All right. Would the
applicant like to come back up?
Tucker: Mr. Chairman, Members of the Commission, Todd Tucker, Boise Hunter Homes.
923 South Bridgeway Place, Eagle, Idaho. I just wanted to address a few of the
comments that were made. You know, there is always concerns about traffic with any
development that comes in. One of the unique situations that we have here -- and I
understand the concerns from the residents on the east side as far as traffic on
McDermott. We have to remember McDermott will be cul-de-sac'd. So, the amount of
traffic that you see now that travels on McDermott is going to be dramatically reduced
when that road is cul-de-sac'd. There just won't be that much traffic traveling up and
down McDermott, because you can't get to Ustick, you have to -- you have to go to the
east a mile or a half a mile, then, back down a mile or half a mile, I can't remember the
distance, to Ustick Road. So, I think the -- the -- the overall traffic is going to be reduced
on McDermott Road, just because that road is going to be cul-de-sac'd. As far as the
concern of Mr. Green, the alignment of the road that -- the northern access road and the
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townhomes aligning with his driveway, ACHD actually has a policy, they like things to
align. It actually makes for safer intersections when -- when roads and driveways align
with each other. So, if you look at ACHD's policy manual they actually like things to align
or be offset by certain distances, because it makes safer intersections and so that drive
-- that -- that street aligning with their driveway is actually what ACHD would -- would
prefer. Aviator Springs does not have any multi-family. There are no apartments in -- in
Aviator Springs. I believe it's all single family homes that this Commission and Council
just recently -- recently approved. As far as the destruction of the rural environment that
is there now, the properties to the east side of McDermott Road are in the county, but
they are within Meridian's area of impact and Comprehensive Plan and identified as
mixed-use interchange, which would have much higher uses than what is there now. Our
development -- we really -- as -- as Josh mentioned earlier, we tried to -- to kind of step
down or transition that density from being next to the high school with the higher density
stuff and the -- the commercial on the -- on the west side of Highway 16 and, then,
transitioning down to some single family homes on the east side to kind of transition to
that lower density that exists right now on the other side of McDermott Road. As far as
the last gentleman that testified, I have a unique situation. My daughter also actually
happens to go to Owyhee High School and when I was talking with her the other day I
was actually driving her to a practice at -- at school and she said, you know, I thought of
something the other day, because we were talking about different businesses. This was
out of the blue. I didn't prompt anything. She said I have determined that if a business
wants to be really successful they need to be next to a high school and I thought, well,
interesting you say that, because the very next week I have a project going forward. So,
her and all of her friends are actually very excited about this project. Right now she told
me that most of the kids are late to class coming back from lunch, because they actually
drive all the way to Walmart. They go to Walmart. They go to the Marco's Pizza that's
there. The Panda Express. They -- the -- the gas station that's over there. So, they are
leaving Owyhee High School driving three miles to go to eat something at lunchtime,
because it's not cool to eat lunch at school, you got to leave, and so we think this is going
to be a very positive aspect for the high school. The students that I interact with are
actually very excited about this. Insinuating that the comp plan is out of date, it's three
years old. That is very new as far as comprehensive plans go. So, I would -- I would say
that it is not out of date. Talking about how there is -- it's incongruous with the area, I
think our development is very -- actually very -- fits in very well with the existing
development and with what has been planned by the City of Meridian with the -- The
Fields master planned area that's located directly -- not directly, but located to the west
of this, west of Owyhee High School. The city went through an extensive master planning
process to plan that area. This -- this area of town is ripe for development. It is going to
be more dense in certain areas. I think Meridian is on the right track with the way they
have their Comprehensive Plan laid out and identified what the uses should be. Public
facilities. We are bringing water, we are bringing sewer, we are handling drainage. The
school district, there -- there is a -- directly north of Owyhee High School there is an
elementary school that's going to be located there. So, there will be -- it's not there now,
but the -- it's five or seven acres, maybe ten acres directly north of Owyhee High School,
that big open field, there will be an elementary school there. That's what it's -- that's what
it's planned for. So, more school will be in this area to alleviate some of that -- that
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pressure on the schools that are around. But, again, we have a letter from West Ada,
they -- they didn't really express any concerns about the -- the amount of students that
will be produced. So, I think that -- I think hopefully that answers a lot of the questions or
the concerns that were brought up by the residents. We had a neighborhood meeting at
Owyhee High School. I thought it went very well. A lot of interaction with the -- the
residents, the folks that did show up. We are -- again, just to reiterate, we are very proud
of this project. We think it fits in well. We have really tried to do the best that we can with
the hand that we have been dealt with -- with a -- a -- a state highway bisecting your
property right through the middle at a --we are at an awkward angle. We have got a large
drain that runs through the middle of it with a hundred foot wide easement and we have
got another canal that runs at an angle across the top of the northern portion of the
property. So, again, this is a project we are really proud of. We think it fits in very well
with the -- the community. We think it fits in very well with the Comprehensive Plan. We
are excited -- we were excited to get a favorable staff report from -- from your staff. We
have been working with them for two years on this project, a lot of back and forth and we
landed on something that I think we are happy with and we are happy that the staff is
happy with it. So, with that I think that we can answer any question -- other questions
that you might have, but we are -- we are happy with the -- with the -- the project the way
it is.
Seal: Okay. Thank you. Commissioner Yearsley, do you have --
Yearsley: Mr. Mayor. So, do you know when they plan to start construction of that
interchange, that -- that area of Ustick for the highway?
Tucker: Mr. Chairman, Commissioner Yearsley, the construction of Highway 16 has
actually already begun. So, they are actually constructing it in two different kind of
segments I guess. They are starting from the north and working south and they are
starting from the south and working north and both of those projects have already started
and they are meeting somewhere near our property. So, as far as when actually the
interchange or the portion of Highway 16 that's constructed on our--through our property,
I'm not sure when that will be, but I'm going to say it's within the next year, because they
literally have already started the -- the -- that -- that work right now. It started maybe two
months ago.
Yearsley: When -- when do you -- you have to go through all your entitlement process
and stuff like this and, then, get your design plans. I'm just trying to figure out timelines
of when Ustick will be improved, you know, because I imagine they will have to improve
portions of Ustick with the interchange, how that fits in with your project. You know, are
you a year out, two years, what are you -- what's your plan for your phase one?
Evarts: Yeah. I will take this one, yeah, because this is the Pacific Company side. Yeah.
So, on the multi-family side, yeah, that is phase one and we would be continuing with --
you know, if -- if -- if you guys recommend it, if City Council approves it, we would be
pressing on with all of our plans and submissions to the City of Meridian and wanting to
break ground as soon as possible. There is not any reason to delay any of this. We have
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the capacity and resources and the need is there, you know, to -- to -- to provide this.
Especially with escalating interest rates and stuff like that, we have just seen an
evaporation of-- of people, you know, at that starter level, right, teachers that are working
at the school, firefighters, law -- that they -- they don't have resources and they need
housing options. So, we would be starting very quickly. But I think Highway 16 will beat
us in terms of our completion. So, I think those improvements will be done before people
would be moving in and -- and we have actually had a lot of conversations about the
commercial, even though we have that as like a phase three. Just based on some of the
feedback we have been getting I won't be surprised if that ends up being a phase two,
because I just think that there is an appetite and -- and -- and there is a gap right now that
exists with Owyhee High School as that big regional draw. It's a great option to have
there.
Yearsley: Well, I agree, because, you know, I -- I have to laugh that -- you talked about
what's successful businesses around high schools and at Rocky Mountain it's all the fast
food restaurants that are right there. So, I could see that being a good fast food location.
I guess follow on. So, with McDermott going to a cul-de-sac there, is there an alternate
route that's being proposed to Ustick and -- and is that part of ACHD's construction? I --
I wasn't quite sure. It looked like in your -- your plans that you guys had, it looked like
they kind of showed a -- kind of a bypass road back around that.
Tucker: Mr. Chairman, Commissioner Yearsley, we don't have an exhibit that actually
shows the full breadth of it, but if you look at the --the screen now, on the northern portion
of the -- of the screen, that gray, that is actually the road that will head to the -- to the
east. It goes approximately a mile and, then, it turns south and -- and -- and intersects
with Ustick Road and, then, it also has another mile south from there and, then, a mile to
the west to reconnect with McDermott south of Ustick. So -- so, McDermott is going to
be cul-de-sac'd on the north side and on the south side of Ustick Road and you have to
do a bypass around to get it. So, that is ACHD. I believe they acquired that right of way
already. If you look at current maps that has already shown -- that that route is already
shown as being under the ownership of ACHD. So, I believe they have acquired that --
that -- that circuitous route already. But, yeah, there will be a connection to Ustick, it's
just going to be approximately a mile -- maybe it's a half a mile to the east.
Yearsley: Okay. So -- so, with that is the state highway going to -- when -- when Ustick
goes through with the state highway through there, will they cul-de-sac that at the same
time or is that ACHD cul-de-sac --
Tucker: Mr. Chairman, Commissioner Yearsley, that's going to be more than likely a
combo effort. ITD and ACHD are working very close together on this. Because
McDermott Road is an ACHD road, not a state highway, my guess is ACHD is going to
be the one doing the work, but -- but maybe not. I'm not sure how that works. But that
will be part of that interchange that goes in when -- when the interchange at Ustick Road
is -- is under construction that's when McDermott will be cul-de-sac'd.
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Yearsley: Right. And so the reason why I'm asking all this is we actually had one of the
Commissioners from ACHD come in and talk about State Highway 16 and all the things
that Ada County Highway District was supposed to do, but was unfunded, and so my
concern is all these proposed improvements on ACHD right of way and stuff are they
unfunded or are they being funded by the state? And -- and maybe you don't know, I was
just kind of curious, you know, how that's all playing out.
Tucker: Yeah. Mr. Chairman, Commissioner Yearsley, I did -- I did see that -- or I have
read the -- the report and the -- the -- the -- the news article about it as well, talking about
how some of that funding got left out of the grant money that was supposed to be with
this and so maybe it's going to be delayed a year, but for the most part this is all going to
be one big -- big package when it's -- when it's -- when it's completed. But to give you a
definite answer, we don't know for sure when or how, but the intent is that all of this will
be done at the same time.
Yearsley: Okay. Thank you.
Seal: When -- when do you think it will -- I mean when -- when do you anticipate having
occupancy in the -- the multi-family?
Tucker: I will let Josh handle that. When he said like we are -- we are -- we are not
planning on slowing down at all. We -- we do have to go through some approval process
-- well, I guess I said I would let Josh --
Evarts: Yeah. No. No. No. No. Let me -- let me jump in. I will tell you, because we --
we -- we are six, 18 -- I -- I think we would have it done in two years, to be realistic,
because I think we would have our plans in -- I'm giving ourselves six months for all design
review and -- and stuff like that and, then, be able to turn dirt and I think 18 months is a
reasonable development time for -- for a project of this size. I don't -- I don't see anything
keeping us from -- from leaning in on it. So, we -- we have definitely increased our
capacity here for a lot of the projects that we are doing already, so there is no disruption
on our end. So, in fact, our -- our -- our site for doing the manufacturing of all the units is
sitting in Nampa. So, it's -- this is all very proximate to what we do.
Seal: Okay. Yeah. And the reason I ask is because I -- I mean my issue isn't necessarily
with what you are building out, it's just the -- the -- the lack of road infrastructure when
that comes in the from of Ustick and -- and McMillan. I mean they are already -- they are
a mess. They are -- they are a nightmare for sure. So, part of Ustick is going to be
improved here in the next -- they have got signs up to even start it. Luckily they wanted
to build a facility on Ustick Road, so we can hold their feet to the fire on it. But it --
unfortunately, it doesn't go out to this neck of the woods until 2026. So, I mean we have
got a state highway that's coming in and, then, we have got, you know, essentially, two
lane country, you know, back roads that are there to support all of this stuff, so -- and we
are already feeling that. I mean you are right, all the kids go elsewhere for lunch. Well,
good luck trying to get on those roads at lunchtime, so --
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Evarts: Yeah.
Seal: That's -- that's -- you know, that's an issue for me as far as the timing of this to
where it would be nice if all this would kind of congeal at the same time. 2026 is when
ACHD is going to attack Ustick, you know, State Highway 16 is going to go in supposedly
before that, so, I don't know, it just seems like our agencies are not coordinating very well
to make this happen.
Tucker: Yeah. Commissioner Yearsley, also along -- along those lines, a lot -- I don't
want to say most, but most street improvements actually occur with development. So,
we will be improving McDermott Road, Ustick Road, providing a connection to the Aviator
Springs Subdivision to the north to provide some of that connectivity through the area.
Hopefully when the property to the -- to the -- to the west of us, the Flowers' property,
when that begins to redevelop, which I think as more development comes that's going to
speed that process up, we are going to get Endeavor Road that -- that is stubbed to the
Flowers' property hopefully connected through and connected to this -- this project and
so a lot of the development or a lot of the infrastructure actually occurs when development
happens. The developers build these --these roads and make these street improvements
as they are adjacent to our property. Occasionally we have to do off-site improvements,
but usually it's adjacent to our-- our project and so, yeah, some of the bigger projects that
ACHD tackles, some of that can be sped up if development happens along that road and
so we just view it as, yeah, we understand that their traffic is always an issue and a
concern, but as development occurs, although it -- it contributes some to the traffic, it also
makes the improvements to the road that we all want to see happen.
Evarts: So, Chairman, Commissioners, the people that are much smarter than me said
realistically we are going to be at three years for -- for actual move in dates for people.
So, if we are not even considering, you know, approval through City Council until
December, January, you know, we are really at that 2026 probably for actual move-ins
and density for the project. So, we have got construction to do, but I don't think we are
very far off from -- from some of these things happening, so --
Seal: Okay. Appreciate that.
Evarts: Yeah.
Seal: Anything further?
Yearsley: No.
Seal: Commissioner Stoddard, do you have anything?
Stoddard: No. I just share the same concerns about the traffic.
Seal: Okay.
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Yearsley: So, I guess before we close --
Seal: Go ahead.
Yearsley: -- close the public hearing, you have asked for a lot of conditions. Can we walk
through those conditions?
Evarts: Yeah.
Yearsley: Since I more than likely we will have to make this -- this -- this motion.
Parsons: Mr. Chair, Members of the Commission, before we get into the -- the variance
discussion, I just want to make a point that there is no variance application submitted for
even the Council to act on. So, that's one step of the process. If -- if they truly feel they
need to go through that variance process there is another application that needs to be a
companion application as they transition to City Council. Two. Some of the landscape
requirements can be modified through the alternative compliance process, which is not
-- it's staff level approval, not necessarily City Council action. As far as the buffer
requirement along the west side of the road for the western portion of the development,
the road is the buffer. I'm not sure why we required a 25 foot landscape buffer when they
are going to dedicate right of way. It's -- historically the code says when you abut a
residential district -- well, when you have a road there you are not abutting anything, it's
-- you are adjacent. So, it -- it may not be -- it may not be required at this time. So, I just
want to be cognizant of that and as far as the -- the entryway corridor, that may not
change. That is a comp plan requirement. So, the Comprehensive Plan delineates
entryway corridors on it, regardless of the roadway designation. So, the code dictates
the -- the width of the buffer and any entryway corridor -- corridor regardless of the road
-- road -- roadway classification is going to be 35 feet. So, I don't want to give the
applicant the impression that they may not have to lose lots or they may have to potentially
pick a different zone to -- to get smaller lot sizes, rather than go through that variance
process, but it -- there is a lot of moving parts there that we have to think about as we
transition, because it's not as simple as we will go to a variance and get ten percent
exception. It -- it's a little more complicated than that. We need to have a discussion to
understand that a little bit more with the applicant, so that we can send them down the
right avenue.
Yearsley: Well -- and -- and to be honest with you, the only thing that I was looking for
condition wise is the one access off of Ustick that they are proposing, not to have that
buffer there. That was the only one that I was really willing to -- to give, so -- so --
Parsons: Perfect. If it's a public street, it's probably a non-issue.
Yearsley: Okay. And, then, I guess for your condition was there a condition that we need
to change on your side?
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Parsons: I think that's up for discussion, debate, too, Mr. Chairman, Commissioners. As
I mentioned -- I know the intent of the applicant is to have the outdoor barbecue area. I
mean maybe just have a different terminology than outdoor kitchen. I think that's probably
a better way to -- either strike it from the condition or just change what it actually will
function as, which I think is an outdoor barbecue.
Tucker: Yeah. I think we -- we agree with -- with Bill on that. The -- the -- the word to be
struck I think is commercial, because it says it needs to be a commercial outdoor kitchen.
We are providing what we think is a very robust outdoor barbecue area. It's not just a --
a barbecue that you would buy at Home Depot and put a propane tank there. They are
multi-thousand dollar barbecue grills set into concrete countertops with stainless steel
prep area, again, right -- covered adjacent to a full commercial kitchen that's inside that
has giant accordion doors that open and that makes it one big area. So, our -- our real
concern was just the term commercial outdoor kitchen. We can't provide that, but we can
provide a very robust outdoor covered barbecue area that is directly adjacent to -- and,
again, I -- I don't know -- I think we meet all of the -- the -- the amenity requirements for a
multi-family development anyway. I don't know that that's even -- we are not deficient in
that area to make that a requirement.
Yearsley: Right. Well, I just -- I just want to make sure I get this correctly, just -- can I
just say that we are just going to change the -- the words for the commercial kitchen --
outdoor commercial kitchen to outdoor barbecue or -- okay. Awesome. So, just glad to
kind of walk through that before we close the public hearing and I have to fumble through
this. So, thank you guys.
Evarts: Thank you, guys.
Seal: Thank you very much.
Yearsley: Mr. Chair, I move we close the --
Seal: Yeah.
Yearsley: -- public hearing for file number H-2022-0056.
Seal: Nope. Commissioner Stoddard, do I get a second?
Stoddard: Yeah. Second. Sorry.
Seal: Okay. It's been motioned and seconded to close the public hearing for file number
H-2022-0056. All in favor say aye. The public hearing is closed for file number H-2022-
0056.
MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. ONE ABSTAIN. TWO ABSENT.
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Yearsley: So, Mr. Chair, I -- for the residents that came here to testify, I -- I -- I do -- it's
-- it's -- it's heartbreaking to see all this farmland to be chopped up into development and
-- and the state highway did not do any of you guys any favors and, you know, where --
you know, where there is access you will -- they will -- they will build and so you guys are
just kind of getting stuck into this area and I -- I feel for you, I honestly do. I grew up in a
rural area of eastern Idaho and -- and watching it get chewed up is -- is really
heartbreaking. That being said, this is an area with -- along the state highway where this
type of a development is actually adequate or -- or -- you know, it -- it fits and -- and,
unfortunately, we have so much rural around it is -- is -- is -- it's a tough situation. So, I
-- I do think it's actually a good development. I think it's something that I think fits close
to the state highway, close to the school. I think their commercial is going to want to be
one of the first things built, to be honest with you, because I think the demand there is --
is there for some sort of fast food or some convenient foods type situation, so -- so, for
that I'm -- I am in favor with it -- of the -- of the application.
Seal: Yeah. And I have got mixed feelings on it, so -- I mean I -- you know, I mean we
have seen enough of these come through that there is -- you know, there -- whether
people want to admit it or not, there is -- there is a need for housing types like this out
here. So, the fact that it's going to eat up a whole lot of land that's farmland right now,
just like people have property rights for their individual properties, people have property
rights to sell it and develop it. So, that's the flip side to -- to all of this. So, you know, I
mean I grew up in Baker, Oregon, so this is all very foreign to me on a lot of scale for
sure. So, you know, that said, it is what's coming and happening here. So, the --the only
problem that I have with it and -- and I do agree, because of Highway 16 and the way that
that's going to develop, that it does fit when that gets done. So, again, my -- the issue
that I have with it right now is, you know, Ustick is already -- it -- it's just very overtaxed.
I mean, again, we were able to kind of hold ACHD's feet to the fire when they presented
their-- you know, their development that they want to put in in order to provide for ACHD
facilities on Ustick Road to expand that. Unfortunately, it only went to Black Cat. So, with
the high school coming in that's presented -- it's made things very unique out there. So,
it's doing exactly what they want it to do. They put in a high school. It's drawing a lot of
-- you know, a lot of development out in that area. So, unfortunately, it's happening faster
than I think the roads can put up with at this point. So, I mean if we could really know that
this wasn't going to have occupancy until, you know, the roads are improved in 2026, 1
wouldn't have an issue with it, but, you know, again, it's coming, it's going to happen here,
but I just -- I question the timing of it, so -- I mean my -- my -- my fear is, you know, that
they get in on the -- you know, they are on the -- the leaner side of it in 18 months and all
of a sudden we have all of this in here, we have occupancy -- occupancy going on and
we still have Ustick Road the way it is today. There is no way, especially with the -- you
know, the way you have to come in and out of this, that Ustick Road is going to be able
to support that very well.
Yearsley: Right. And that's why a lot of the questions I had initially was --was timing and
with -- with the -- with the interchange as well. So, I -- I do believe I knew -- I know that
this project is funded. They are moving forward with it. It's just which one comes first.
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Seal: Uh-huh.
Yearsley: So --
Stoddard: Mr. Chair?
Seal: Commissioner Stoddard, yeah, go ahead.
Stoddard: I just kind of share a lot of the same feelings as you. I have -- I have mixed
feelings on the project as well. I think the timing of it might be a little off. I use Ustick
Road everyday driving by there and I know how much it gets used and so it's a tough one
for me. I -- I agree that I think we need, you know, some options out there for commercial
stuff, but -- but my biggest concern, again, is the timing on the traffic. I completely agree
with you and share your sentiments on that, just because, like I, said, I use it every single
day and I see the traffic on there and I see how taxed it gets, especially with that high
school right there, when, you know, they are going in and out of there, it's -- it's a
nightmare right now.
Seal: Yeah. It's a tough one for sure, so --there is only three of us talking about it tonight.
Yearsley: And unfortunately. Mr. Chair, after considering all staff, applicant, and public
testimony I move to recommend approval to the City Council of file number H-2022-0056
as presented in the staff report for the hearing date of November 3rd, 2022, with the
following modifications: That the term outdoor commercial kitchen be stricken and
replaced with outdoor barbecue and that the road buffer off of Ustick Road on the west
side of the facility, that buffer be reduced, so they can provide that access.
Seal: Okay. Commissioner Stoddard, do you want to second?
Stoddard: No.
Seal: Okay. So, since the chair can neither make nor second motions, we are stuck
here, so --
Starman: Mr. Chairman, you are allowed to second. It's customary the chair person does
not do that, but you are allowed to second if you wish to bring the item to a vote.
Seal: I will second it. So, it's been moved and seconded to approve item number H-
2022-0056 with the aforementioned modifications. All in favor say aye. Commissioner
Stoddard?
Stoddard: I'm not giving an aye.
Seal: I would say if it's not an aye, it's an nay.
Stoddard: Okay. Nay.
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Seal: Okay. Motion passes.
MOTION CARRIED: TWO AYES. ONE NAY. ONE ABSTAIN. TWO ABSENT.
Lorcher: Commissioner Seal?
Seal: Commissioner Lorcher.
Lorcher: May I motion to adjourn.
Yearsley: I will second that motion.
Seal: It's been moved and seconded to adjourn. All in favor say aye. We are adjourned.
Thank you.
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 9:25 P.M.
(AUDIO RECORDING ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS.)
APPROVED
ANDREW SEAL - CHAIRMAN 11-17-2022
ATTEST:
CHRIS JOHNSON - CITY CLERK 11-17-2022