2022-08-16 Regular
City Council Regular Meeting
City Council Chambers, 33 East Broadway Avenue Meridian, Idaho
Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 6:00 PM
Minutes
ROLL CALL ATTENDANCE
PRESENT
Councilwoman Liz Strader
Councilman Treg Bernt
Councilwoman Jessica Perreault
Councilman Luke Cavener
Councilman Joe Borton
Councilman Brad Hoaglun
Mayor Robert E. Simison
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
COMMUNITY INVOCATION
ADOPTION OF AGENDA Adopted
PUBLIC FORUM – Future Meeting Topics
ACTION ITEMS
1. Public Hearing for Ordinance 22-1988: An Ordinance Amending Meridian City
Code Section 1-7-1(c) Concerning City Council Seats; Amending Meridian City Code
Section 1-7-1(e) Concerning Staggered Terms; Amending Meridian City Code
Section 1 7 11(b) Concerning Duties and Powers of the Meridian Districting
Committee; Adding Meridian City Code Section 1-7-11(i) Concerning Modifications
to City Council Seat Numbers; Voiding Conflicting Ordinances and Resolutions; and
Providing an Effective Date
2. Public Hearing for Proposed Fiscal Year 2023 Budget Approved
Motion to approve made by Councilwoman Strader, Seconded by Councilman Borton.
Voting Yea: Councilwoman Strader, Councilman Bernt, Councilwoman Perreault, Councilman
Borton, Councilman Hoaglun
Voting Nay: Councilman Cavener
3. Public Hearing for Julie Rivers Office Condominiums (SHP-2022-0009) by Julie
Rivers Development, located at NE Corner of W. Ustick Rd. and N. Linder Rd.
Approved
A. Request: Short Plat to condominiumize eight (8) office buildings for
ownership purposes.
Motion to approve made by Councilwoman Strader, Seconded by Councilman Hoaglun.
Voting Yea: Councilwoman Strader, Councilman Bernt, Councilwoman Perreault, Councilman
Cavener, Councilman Borton, Councilman Hoaglun
4. Public Hearing continued from April 26, 2022 for Black Cat Industrial Project (H-
2021-0064) by Will Goede of Sawtooth Development Group, LLC, located at 350,
745, and 955 S. Black Cat Rd. and Parcel S1216131860 Approved
A. Request: Annexation of 126.57 acres of land with R-15 and I-L zoning
districts.
Motion to approve made by Councilwoman Strader, Seconded by Councilman Hoaglun.
Voting Yea: Councilwoman Strader, Councilman Bernt, Councilman Cavener, Councilman
Borton, Councilman Hoaglun
Voting Nay: Councilwoman Perreault
ORDINANCES \[Action Item\]
5. Ordinance 22-1988: An Ordinance Amending Meridian City Code Section 1-7-1(c)
Concerning City Council Seats; Amending Meridian City Code Section 1-7-1(e)
Concerning Staggered Terms; Amending Meridian City Code Section 1 7 11(b)
Concerning Duties and Powers of the Meridian Districting Committee; Adding
Meridian City Code Section 1-7-11(i) Concerning Modifications to City Council Seat
Numbers; Voiding Conflicting Ordinances and Resolutions; and Providing an
Effective Date Approved
Motion to approve made by Councilman Bernt, Seconded by Councilman Borton.
Voting Yea: Councilman Bernt, Councilwoman Perreault, Councilman Borton, Councilman
Hoaglun
Voting Nay: Councilman Cavener
Abstaining: Councilwoman Strader
FUTURE MEETING TOPICS
ADJOURNMENT 9:52 p.m.
Meridian City Council August 16, 2022.
A Meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order at 6:00 p.m., Tuesday, August
16, 2022, by Mayor Robert Simison.
Members Present: Robert Simison, Joe Borton, Luke Cavener, Treg Bernt, Jessica
Perreault, Brad Hoaglun and Liz Strader.
Also present: Chris Johnson, Bill Nary, Tracy Basterrechea and Joe Bongiorno.
ROLL-CALL ATTENDANCE
Liz Strader _X_ Joe Borton
_X_ Brad Hoaglun _X_Treg Bernt
X Jessica Perreault _X_ Luke Cavener
X_ Mayor Robert E. Simison
Simison: Council, we will call the meeting to order. For the record it is August 16th, 2022,
at 6:00 p.m. We will begin tonight's City Council meeting with roll call attendance.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Simison: Next item is the Pledge of Allegiance. If you would all, please, stand and join
us in the pledge.
(Pledge of Allegiance recited.)
COMMUNITY INVOCATION
Simison: Next item up is the community invocation, which tonight will be delivered by
Pastor Vinnie Hanke of Valley Life Church. If you would all take this as an opportunity to
join us in this invocation or a moment of silence and reflection.
Hanke: Mayor, Members of City Council, thank you for the opportunity to be present with
you and to pray for you. God, I thank you for the City of Meridian. I thank you for the
opportunity to live here with my neighbors and I ask that you would be present with the
City Council as they perform their work this evening. That you would help them to listen
to the members of their city well as they speak, to consider the matters of business with
wisdom and discernment and discretion and that peace, patience, and kindness would
rule the city. God, we ask that the things performed by the City Council would be glorifying
to you and good to others and we ask this through the name of Jesus Christ, Amen. God
bless you all tonight. Thank you.
ADOPTION OF AGENDA
Simison: Thank you. Next item up is adoption of the agenda.
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Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: I move adoption of the agenda as published.
Borton: Second.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to adopt the agenda. Is there any discussion? If
not, all in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay? The ayes have it and the agenda
is adopted.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
PUBLIC FORUM — Future Meeting Topics
Simison: Mr. Clerk, do we have anyone signed up under Public Forum?
Johnson: Mr. Mayor, we do not.
ACTION ITEMS
1. Public Hearing for Ordinance 22-1988: An Ordinance Amending
Meridian City Code Section 1-7-1(c) Concerning City Council Seats;
Amending Meridian City Code Section 1-7-1(e) Concerning Staggered
Terms; Amending Meridian City Code Section 1 7 11(b) Concerning
Duties and Powers of the Meridian Districting Committee; Adding
Meridian City Code Section 1-7-11(i) Concerning Modifications to City
Council Seat Numbers; Voiding Conflicting Ordinances and
Resolutions; and Providing an Effective Date
Simison: Okay. Then we will move on with our Action Items first. First item up is a public
hearing for Ordinance 22-1988. We will open -- well, we will continue this public hearing
with comments from Mr. Nary.
Nary: Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council. Basically I think to help clarify,
there has been a little bit of misunderstanding in the public on this -- on this ordinance
and what the impact of it is. I did read the comments online and many of the comments
online clearly don't understand what's being proposed here. There is no -- there is no
intent by this ordinance to change the districts, as already been determined by the
districting committee. There is no change in the boundaries or any of that. All of that was
done pursuant to Idaho Code and that's going to remain the way it is. All that's being
proposed here is to change Seat 2 to Seat 1 and Seat 1 to Seat 2. That's just the label
of those seats that would, then, be representing the corresponding districts that go with
those numbers and those people that the -- the -- the -- the Council Members in those
seats live in those districts, which was what the intent of the statute was originally. So,
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all that's getting accomplished by this proposed change is allowing every district in the
2023 election to elect a person within their district that lives within the boundaries of their
district. So, the three that are remaining until the 2025 election will all reside in their
districts and all the people up for election in 2023 will have to reside in those
corresponding districts. So, there is no change or intent to change the districts, it is merely
the seat number of Seat 2 and Seat 1 and, then, the election cycles will roll after that. So,
again, as I have stated previously, the intent of the legislature always was once the city
reaches 100,000 people that every member of the City Council be elected in districts.
This will allow that process to take place sooner than later and that the entire city will,
then, be distracted by the 2023 election. So, hopefully, that answers most people's
questions. But most of the comments I saw and I -- I responded to in the last few weeks
all seem to think this is changing the district boundaries and it is not.
Simison: Thank you, Mr. Nary. Council, any questions for Mr. Nary?
Borton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: I appreciate that explanation. I think the public might be understandably confused
at times. The legislature didn't do any favors in -- in dropping this on cities. I think one of
the confusing pieces for me was just the reality that seat numbers that we have utilized
over the last 30, 40, 50 years have been completely arbitrary. They don't relate or
correspond to anything for any of us. We file for a seat and you pick a number and we
are all the same representing the whole city. So, there is no significance to being in Seat
4 or 2 or 1. So, it's never mattered. The next election it starts to matter. So, that
explanation that you provided seems to clear that up.
Nary: Yes. That was the intent.
Borton: Thank you.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: So, the ordinance that's on the agenda this evening mentions in the second
whereas statement that Idaho Code and Meridian City Code, beginning with the 2023
general city election -- I didn't see in the state code where it mentions a deadline for this
to be implemented, so I wanted to get Mr. Nary's thoughts on that.
Nary: So, Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, Council Member Perreault, you are -- you
are correct. The -- the intent from the legislature that was communicated through the Pro
Tern Senator Winder, who was the one that brought this forward back in 2020, was to do
this as soon as possible, recognizing with staggered election terms and the way elections
function, that it would be difficult, if not impossible, to do this in one election cycle very
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easily. So, he recognized it, but he didn't put a -- they didn't put a deadline for that
purpose, because they knew with staggered elections that's problematic. This really
accomplishes what was intended, which is in one election cycle all six -- all six districts
will be represented by people within those districts. So, we are actually accomplishing it
sooner. But you are correct, there was not a specific deadline it had to be done. It was
the desire of the state to do it as soon as we could.
Simison: Thank you. Council, any other questions for Mr. Nary? Mr. Clerk, do we have
anybody signed up on this item?
Johnson: Mr. Mayor, no one signed up in advance.
Simison: Okay. Well, if there is anybody here that would like to provide testimony on this
item, if you would like to come forward at this time and do so, be recognized for three
minutes. Mr. Chairman, thank you for joining us this evening.
Palmer: Thank you, Mr. Mayor and Council. Thanks for the opportunity to come this
evening.
Simison: And state your name and address for the record for us.
Palmer: I should know that. It's in the middle of the summer, it's August, and I'm wearing
a jacket, so -- Joe Palmer. I reside at 3239 North Dixon in Meridian and I also have a
business property in downtown Meridian also. Just a little bit of background on what we
did with House Bill 413, 1 believe is what it was. It's hard to remember them over a couple
of years. There was two members of the public that came to me at the beginning of the
session and it was right after the city elections had taken place and they were both a little
bit distraught with that where they didn't feel like they were represented and those both
live in Boise by the way. It's not Meridian. It was in Boise. And they came to me and, by
the way, it was -- you know, it was basically bipartisan. One of them was a Democrat and
one was a Republican and they were working together. They seen a problem and one of
them knew me personally and so they came and met with me and said would you be
interested in carrying this piece of legislation and I agreed, I said, yes, it's a great idea. 1,
then, went and talked to Senator Winder. He agreed also that was a good piece of
legislation. We moved forward. We knew from the beginning it was extremely clunky.
Everything that we do in the legislature there is always amendments, because --you know
how it works. Constantly we are going to have to amend and fix and change as things
move forward. As we tried to smooth out those bumps as much as possible, there were
hundreds of ideas that came through. Each one of them made it look more and more like
the legislature would be more gerrymandering and trying to do things a certain way and
that's absolutely not what I wanted. I want a representative government and I think what
you have done with what you have been given has done very well. I knew it was going
to be hard. Even on the next year after -- we have had two more sessions since then.
People came and wanted to make changes. Each time we thought, oh, those are great
changes, but let's kind of hold back here and wait and see how it's handled. Right now
there is only the two cities that are having to deal with it. Boise has done it one way. I
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think you have been very creative in what you have done and I think that's great. I think
it's a good way of handling it, because you were having a problem that was hard to deal
with. I would surmise that in the future we will probably make changes to this, so, you
know, the redistricting committees or however that's going to be handled might come into
legislation. The number might be lowered, you know, from 100,000. There were people
from the beginning that said this should go all the way down. Well, obviously, some of
those small cities don't even have enough people to run for the positions that they have,
so that wouldn't work. It started at 25,000 and, then, immediately there was some
problems with that, we moved it up to a hundred, and so I think we have a good start and
I think the program that you have set aside is actually really well done for what you were
handed. And I agree what you were handed was not easy, but it was not easy to make it
easier and so we needed to all be able to work together and work through those problems
and I think you all have done a good job on that. I would stand for any questions if you
have any.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: Mr. Chairman, thank you for being here this evening. What -- what -- what came
about with the number of 100,000 population? Was that just an arbitrary number? Was
that just sort of a middle ground number?
Palmer: Mr. Mayor, Council -- it's hard for me to -- to say that so the right words come
out. It wasn't -- most of the states around -- most cities of 100,000 are in districts and that
was the one that we found that was the most. There was a number of 25 and that's --
that's a pretty high -- you know, most -- there is a lot of them that are 25, too, but when it
changed from 25 to 100 it brought in almost every city that's over 100,000 has it and so
we just went with that level to start it out to see how it would work out. So, somewhat
arbitrary, but we, you know, gained as much information as we could across the country.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Mr. Chairman, thank you for being here and -- and agreeing to answer some
of our questions. I really appreciate it. It's good to have you here.
Palmer: Those are easy questions.
Perreault: Can you share more with us about the feedback you were receiving from the
public in regard to wanting to have individual representatives for the areas that they lived
in and -- I didn't hear anything from the constituents here in Meridian -- as I have served
as a volunteer and when I was campaigning I didn't hear concerns about Meridian
specifically needing districts. But can you share in more detail what the concerns were?
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I'm not sure I trust the news reports I read about it. I would love to hear it directly from
you.
Palmer: Mr. Mayor and Council, very little of it was coming from Meridian. I mean I hate
to just pick on Boise all the time, but sometimes I kind of like to pick on Boise, obviously,
so I will go ahead. Most of the problems were all coming from Boise and if you looked at
Boise, their council were all in a very close relationship physically to each other and so
the west side of Boise, which is very different than the, you know, south end side and the
north -- philosophically we will say. They felt very left out, because they just can't ever
get representation and they can't get people to even come and talk to them and so that's
where it was coming from and these --the two people that came to us were -- are involved
in politics and they are more so now. One of them had ran for City Council and just felt
like they -- as they went through all the meetings that they went -- go to when you are
going through this process that we have all been through, you hear it from everybody and
that's where they came up with it. She did lose that race that she was in, but she just felt
like she wasn't -- she wasn't being represented very well where she was at from hers.
And also the other one that was a Republican was for obvious reasons when it comes to
Boise, that same situation, so --and, then, more and more people started coming forward.
Really, the only ones that really pushed back against it were elected officials at that point.
Very few citizens came and testified against the bill. There was a few, but it was
overwhelming the other side.
Simison: And if you wouldn't mind me adding on to that. I -- I can say some of the work
in the Mayor's office for many years -- one of the common questions we would get at the
Mayor's office is who is my City Council member. That didn't say that they were implying
that they wanted a change in -- in style, but I think it's something that -- as a lot of people
moved here from other parts of the country that had districts for the council members,
they kind of assumed that there was someone who was their one person. So, it has been
a question, but it wasn't like, okay, well, let's change it per se through those interactions.
But it was common for people in Meridian to ask that question. Council, any additional
questions?
Borton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: I thank you, again, for -- for being here and coming out. I think it's fantastic. The
more we could see our state representatives, the better on any issue. Gosh, just the --
Palmer: That's not what I always hear.
Borton: No. Because, seriously, it's awesome and if -- if we ever lob a bomb and say --
we complain about something, come tell us and we will talk. We just--this communication
is awesome. So, I appreciate it very much. I have never been -- I have been a fan of it
and -- and just because you are here I will give a little answer face to face, is it just implies
that if I'm in a district that my focus is more narrow and I'm too old school and been
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around, that I just can't accept that the City Council role is representing the entire city and
looking out for the city and I will always struggle with that. I think that's probably some of
the pushback you got. It's not your fault. But it's maybe a mentality -- at least it's my
mentality that you put me in a district it's -- boy, it's hard not to make sure the entire city
is taken care of at all times. So, when you hear any remarks from me that this is frustrating
to have dealt with it -- we will make it work for sure, best for the citizens, but it's tough to
turn that mindset off, so -- which I know you could appreciate. You have been downtown
Meridian. You understand that.
Palmer: If I may.
Simison: Absolutely.
Palmer: I understand where you are going from. I feel kind of strange in my job -- a lot
of times people from Meridian are coming to me and they are like, wait a minute, you
have this authority given to you as the chairman of the transportation to do all of this, why
aren't you pushing more towards Meridian? Okay. Well, I feel like, you know, I do
represent Meridian, but as the chair I have the whole state and so I kind of have two hats
there and I have to walk that line, too, and I think that everyone can do the same thing.
Borton: Yeah.
Palmer: I think you can walk the line and you do represent the whole city. But I think it's
easier to represent a smaller group of people at the city, too. I mean they both have their
benefits and I don't have the perfect system, but hopefully we are getting -- hopefully we
are always doing better.
Borton: Appreciate you coming out to talk through it. Yeah.
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: Chairman, sorry, I apologize I'm coming to you from Denver, Colorado, tonight.
Because you have been so gracious with your time I won't ask any questions about the
Linder Road overpass. I just wanted to say thanks for --for coming to chat with us tonight
and sharing some historical perspective. To Council Member Borton's point, your
constituents are our constituents and we are all just trying to serve the same taxpayer
and appreciate you taking a little bit of time out of your personal time to come chat with
us this evening.
Simison: Thank you.
Palmer: Thank you.
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Simison: Appreciate it. Is there anybody else present that would like to provide testimony
on this item, either online or in the audience? If you are online, please, use the raise your
hand feature or if you are here, go ahead and come forward at this time. Okay. Council,
seeing no one else wishing to come forward and provide testimony on the item, I -- you
know, before we close the -- the -- the public hearing I just want to reiterate my
appreciation for your consideration of this request that I made. I did feel like this was the
best way for the city to align the last election, as well as make it clear who will be elected
in -- in 2023 and I feel like that at the end of the 2023 election we will have six Council
Members representing six districts, all who have been duly elected and none who have
been duly appointed at that point in time and I think that's the most preferred way to
accomplish the outcome for the residents. So, thank you for entertaining this
conversation and the dialogue and I look forward to hopefully positive action by you all on
the ordinance section later when it's considered.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: To that point, before I close the public hearing, we do have an agenda tonight
and I know there is one issue that may take quite a bit of time and we have done this
before, we could, after we close the public hearing, take up Item No. 5. I think the legal
is -- is in agreement with that and -- and vote on that. That way the issue is done and
people can move about instead of either staying here or being online all -- all night. Who
knows when it gets -- gets over. So, if -- if that's okay with everybody I would -- I would
move that we close the public hearing on Ordinance 22-1988.
Borton: Second.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing on Ordinance 22-
1988. Is there discussion? If not, all in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay? The
ayes have it and the public hearing is closed.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
ORDINANCES [Action Item]
5. Ordinance 22-1988: An Ordinance Amending Meridian City Code
Section 1-7-1(c) Concerning City Council Seats; Amending Meridian
City Code Section 1-7-1(e) Concerning Staggered Terms; Amending
Meridian City Code Section 1 7 11(b) Concerning Duties and Powers
of the Meridian Districting Committee; Adding Meridian City Code
Section 1-7-11(i) Concerning Modifications to City Council Seat
Numbers; Voiding Conflicting Ordinances and Resolutions; and
Providing an Effective Date
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Hoaglun: Well, Mr. Mayor, just a quick comment on this. I -- I appreciate the Citizens
Committee doing the work that they --
Simison: We are moving on to Item 5?
Hoaglun: Item 5, yes.
Simison: Which is Ordinance 22-1988. Would like the Clerk to read this ordinance by
title.
Johnson: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. It's an ordinance amending Meridian City Code Section
1-701(c) concerning City Council Seats. Amending Meridian City Code Section 1-7-1(e)
concerning staggered terms. Amending Meridian City Code Section 1-7-11(b) concerning
duties and powers of the Meridian District Committee. Adding Meridian City Code Section
1-7-11(i) concerning modifications to City Council seat numbers. Avoiding conflicting
ordinances and resolutions and providing an effective date.
Simison: Thank you. Council, you have heard this ordinance read by title. Is there
anybody that would like it read in its entirety? With that, do I have a motion or the
discussion afterwards or do we want discussion prior to a motion?
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Discussion prior to motion would be great.
Simison: Okay. Is there anybody that would like to be recognized for discussion prior to
a motion?
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Yeah. I appreciate the committee that worked on this. We asked them to -- to
draw the lines without knowing where -- where we lived and -- and do it in that -- in that
manner and that's the right way to do it. You know, if -- if we wanted to gerrymand I had
constituents in my neighborhood who -- who would -- would object to the lines, because
my parents live in the same subdivision that I do and they drew the line on the collector
road -- they live on the other side of the street, you know. So -- but -- but they did -- they
did a good job. It's about the math. It's about where we serve and -- and making it equal
and -- and meeting the law and what's required. I read all the comments that came in,
the e-mails, and as -- as -- as -- as our attorney has -- has noted, there -- there was some
misunderstanding what we were trying to do. It wasn't removing the lines or changing the
lines, it was just trying to implement this as quickly as possible in the 2023 election and
not waiting to 2025 and this was the way to do it. If we had to do it over again I think we
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would -- but this is our only opportunity that we have done this. Maybe after they drew
the lines, then, look at it and say, okay, then add -- put the numbers where it makes the
most sense, because this kind of made it a little -- little awkward where someone in a
living -- not living in their district -- in the district, but they would represent that district,
even though they lived in a different district and I -- I think to me good government is not
causing confusion among its -- among its citizens and that was just kind of an unusual
situation that we are just trying to rectify here. Nothing else. Everyone who is up in 2023
they have to stand before the voters. It's up to the voters. It doesn't change that. Same
in 2025. We are going to go about city business just the normal way. So, I just think it's
a good thing to do it. It creates certainty in the process and it's done the right way and,
like I said, I appreciate the citizens who served on that commission and -- and doing that
work.
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: Maybe just to add on on Council Member Hoaglun's comments. Mr. Mayor, I
want to commend you. I think the process that you laid out for this was incredibly
transparent and communicated directly to our citizens for your intent. You know, I think
we all saw a lot of a-mails from some individuals who were misinformed about what the
intent was of this and I know, Mr. Mayor, you took some -- some heat from some of those
citizens thinking that -- that we weren't taking action at a certain time, that -- that they had
been led to believe that we were taking action and this was all done because we wanted
to communicate this to the public. Council, you know, we could have waived some of the
readings and expedited a decision and we were really intentional in hearing from the
public, which I think is so much in line with the Meridian Way and I just want to thank you
and commend you, Mayor, for leading that from the out -- outset on this is as that's how
we wanted to handle things and give the public ample time to communicate about their
feelings on this.
Simison: Thank you, Councilman Cavener. Council, any additional comments before a
motion?
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: I want to echo some of the same comments that my fellow Council Member
Hoaglun made. I just wanted to say thank you to the citizen led committee that put this
together. I think that they did the very best job that they ever could have. They were
charged with a certain purpose and I think that they went above and beyond and -- and
did a great job and that's what we asked of them and -- and as other committees that
have came before them and other communities that will come after them, I think that they
did the best possible job they could have done. Although I was one of those elected
officials from the beginning that wasn't a huge fan of this -- of this law, I'm somewhat like
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Councilman Borton, I -- I look at the City of Meridian as a whole and I feel like even as a
City Council Member in these districts going forward, I have no doubt that we will continue
to make decisions that are in the best interests of the entire population of Meridian, not
necessarily those who are in our respective districts. I hope that the repercussions that
come -- that will come from this are positive and -- like anything in life and -- you know,
when we are given a lemon we make lemonade. That's our attitude and how we approach
everything. So, with that said for -- for me it was a matter of just -- just real simple, I
guess. Just which -- which ordinance is better? You know, which -- which ordinance is
going to benefit the citizens of our community the best and that's -- that's honestly how I
have looked at it and I appreciate all of the citizen interaction. I appreciate all those who
came and testified. I appreciate all the letters and -- and the outreach that -- that has
happened up until now. That's what Meridianites do, we get engaged, we care, we get
involved and, you know, sometimes we may not agree all the time, but we agree most of
the time and -- but at the end of the day what's most important is that you care and -- and
that's -- and I -- and I thank you for that. But looking at the two ordinances put together,
I believe that --that the -- the ordinance that has been proposed by the Mayor is -- makes
sense at the end of the day for -- for our -- our community and it will -- I think that it will
accomplish the letter of the law having every district in our city be represented in this next
election cycle and so for that purpose, simplistic as it is, is the reason why I'm in favor of
this adopted resolution. Ordinance. Excuse me.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Cavener: Thank you. I had explained in our previous meeting, but I will explain again.
I'm going to abstain from voting for this ordinance. I -- I do think it makes good sense,
but I feel that it is a direct conflict of interest for me. It is specific to my seat and it is
specific to the district that I represent and I -- I feel better about it personally by abstaining
from voting for it. Thank you.
Simison: Thank you.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor? Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: This one has -- has been a bit sobering for me. This is hands down probably
the -- one of the top three or four decisions I have struggled with for the years that I have
voted for the city and have spent a lot of time really seriously considering what this means,
not just this -- the potential switching of the order -- of the -- of the district numbers like
we are discussing tonight, but just all of the district -- districting -- it could significantly
change our city. Really significantly change our city. And I -- that -- that has had me very
thoughtful and as a resident of our city, you know, concerned about what things look like
-- and I'm not saying it's going to change it for the -- the worst and that's not what I'm
implying. But it could just really cause Meridian to look different and -- and so it's
something that I have spent an enormous amount of time really mulling over and in the
end -- initially I was not in favor of -- of voting yes on this ordinance. I felt like we should
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leave it as the district commission had -- had decided it, but what it ultimately came down
to for me was that it would leave a district unable to vote for an elected representative in
2023 and that had me really concerned, that we would leave any of the districts unable
to vote for their own representative and so that's what it came down to to me after a lot of
-- a lot of significant wrestling within myself about the right way to go about this and, yet,
at the same time keeping our goal as Council to stay as -- you know, as -- as little involved
in this process as we could. So, I -- I -- there is -- there is many factors. I won't get into
all of them tonight. If anybody has questions about how I came to that decision I would
be happy to answer them, but that's -- that's where I landed with this and I just have to
say that there is a lot that's been said about our approach to this and our intentions with
this and it's unfortunate that there is an assumption that's being made that this is -- that
we are going about this in a self-serving way. I wasn't aware of this ordinance until it was
announced publicly by the Mayor any sooner than any of you were. So, I don't know how
there is an assumption there is an opportunity for Council to serve ourselves in that way.
So, I just wanted to get that out there, because I want our residents to know that we have
really approached this in a way as -- that's as neutral and beneficial to our residents as
-- as we possibly can.
Simison: Thank you. Council, any other comments or do I have a motion?
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: I move that we approve Ordinance No. 22-1988, an ordinance amending
Meridian City Code 1-7-1(c) concerning City Council Seats, et cetera.
Borton: Second.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to approve Ordinance No. 22-1988. Is there
discussion? If not, Clerk will call the roll.
Roll call: Borton, yea; Cavener, nay; Bernt, yea; Perreault, yea; Hoaglun, yea; Strader,
abstain.
Simison: Four ayes. One no. One abstains. The ordinance is approved. So, thank you
all for your diligence.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. ONE NAY. ONE ABSTAIN.
2. Public Hearing for Proposed Fiscal Year 2023 Budget
Simison: Council, as was already mentioned with the districting commission and local --
and community involved in this conversation. So, with that we will move back to Item 2,
which is a public hearing for proposed fiscal year 2023 budget. We will open this public
hearing with staff comments. Mr. Purser.
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Purser: Mayor, Council, one moment here. You got to have a PowerPoint, so -- you
know. Yeah. There we go. Thank you. Thank you, Chris. Well, we are here today to --
to talk about the FY-23 budget. It is the end of a -- of a long road, a long process. I
appreciate everybody's involvement in -- in that. So, to begin with a -- with an agenda.
You know, we are here to, you know -- first talk about -- in -- in -- in brief the overall
process and, then, also the FY-23 proposed budget and what makes up that FY-23
budget. Our hope is to end with any questions and leave with your -- your approval of
the FY-23 budget. As far as process goes -- and we started this in -- in February. You
know, between meeting with Mayor, Council, initially over the line item budget, moving
towards public -- budget workshops, a lot of engagement, a lot of discussion. Thank you.
We are now towards the end of this process where we are seeking to get the approval of
this proposed budget, so we can, then, begin to -- one, appropriate and, then, execute
the -- the budget. So, looking at the total numbers. The total city budget for the -- for '23
is 219,724,039 dollars. Looking at the chart you will see on the left side the pie chart, you
see a breakdown of how that breaks down from its different components, from a -- a
personnel, from a carry forward, from an operating and you will see a kind of a tree chart
on the right that tells you what departments make up the -- you know, the largest sections
of that. So, looking at the -- the pie chart you can see that a large majority of this is with
items that we have already approved in the carry forward capital, 39 percent of this budget
is from items we have approved in prior years. The next up is the -- the largest is -- is the
-- the personnel side of things. When we look at from a -- a department standpoint, you
can see that the wastewater, police, and fire make up the --the vast majority of the budget.
As far as from -- from -- from a size standpoint. Now, if we -- if we turn and -- and look at
the different components of it -- so, going down a layer, beginning with revenue, looking
at the governmental funds. Governmental meaning our General Fund, our impact fees,
and our public safety funds. When we tally those together we are looking at revenue of
86,919,571 dollars. A little over half of that comes from property taxes. Twenty percent
of that comes from intergovernmental revenue. That's your liquor and your -- you know,
sales tax revenues, licensing, permitting, impact fees and several others round out the
total revenue. The total revenue for the governmental funds is the 86,919,571 dollars.
Moving towards our expense side, you can see that total operating expense for
governmental funds, which I just explained, you can see is 118,608,560 dollars. Looking
at the pie chart on how that breaks out. The vast majority of that is in personnel. The
next largest would be in your carry forward capital. That is items like the precinct we
approved last year, the fire stations, those types of things. And, then, smaller operating
-- you know, and other capital expenses. The largest departments in -- that make up the
governmental fund side of the budget is public safety. Between our police and our fire
that's -- that's over half of our budget. You throw in the Parks Department, with an
additional 26 percent of the -- of the 118 million, gives you an idea of, you know, where
the dollars for this are going to. If we look at things from a capital improvement standpoint,
that is a standalone fund, this is -- this is new. We wanted to match the way we noticed
the public. That way if there are any questions we -- they can easily follow along with
what we -- what we have published. The capital improvement funds is really 14,349,315
dollars. That's when you look at it all in carry forward. So, those represent expenses that
we have already approved in -- in prior years. That's your -- your precinct, fire stations,
and that. So, you are seeing fire and police are really the only departments that are
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participating on this item. When we look at our Enterprise Fund, the total revenue --
starting with revenue -- is 49,709,009 dollars. The vast majority of that revenue is in utility
sales revenue, followed by our assessment revenue and we have some charges for
service, garbage, administration round up the total revenue. You know, that was received
by our -- the -- the Enterprise Fund. Public Works team. When you look at our inner --
the expense side of things, the total expense is 86,766,163 dollars. On this you can see
the majority of that is in carryforward, about 42 percent. Looking at the -- the pie chart on
-- on the -- on the left, followed by our, you know, capital and, then, personnel.
Wastewater, looking on the -- at the tree chart on the right, is the vast majority of -- of
where these expenses lie, followed by water at 33 percent. That, in summary -- very
much a summary -- makes up the total budget of 219,724,039 dollars. As far as next
steps go, we are seeking approval to establish the budget at that dollar amount. There is
no foregone revenue. There is nothing to do there. At least at this point. With that
approval we will, then, come back with Mr. Nary's assistance in -- in coming with an
ordinance to make this a final. With that I will -- I will stand for any questions by Council,
whatever you guys need.
Simison: Thank you, Mr. Purser. Council, any questions for staff?
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Are we looking to approve it tonight or are we just look -- like softly approve it
verbally? Is that what you are looking for? Or are we waiting until there is an ordinance
before us?
Purser: Mayor, Council Woman Strader, we are looking for an approval of-- of the budget.
That way we can come back with an ordinance and -- to finalize it. So, we are looking for
an approval.
Simison: Mr. Nary, would you like to elaborate on that?
Nary: Yes. So, Mr. Mayor, yeah, you are approving that budget number. You will have a
public hearing. So, there will be -- you can't make it less than that, but that-- this is asking
for that approval to bring the ordinance forward. You do have an opportunity -- there is
an opportunity tonight for the public to weigh in, as well as with your ordinance you can
allow a public comment again if you wish.
Simison: Thank you, Brad. Mr. Clerk, do we have anyone signed up to provide testimony
on this item?
Johnson: Yes, Mr. Mayor. Terre Dennington.
Simison: Okay. Good evening, Terre. If you would state your name and address for the
record and you will be recognized for three minutes.
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Dennington: Thank you. My name is Terre Dennington --
Simison: Pull that down.
Dennington: Can you hear me? My name is Terre Dennington and I reside at 4581 West
Big Creek Street in Meridian. 83642. And the comments I wanted to make was I just
wanted to appreciate and -- all the -- all the work that you guys have done. Thank Chris
Johnson for getting a printed copy for me, because I'm a very much -- you know, look at
it and make notes, highlight, think about it, see what people are doing. So, I appreciated
that. And, then, I also appreciated Brad Purser taking time to go through all of my
comments and questions and things as I went through that budget. But all of the thought
that went in from all of the departments was -- it was really interesting to just watch each
budget item and read them and see what they were requesting, why they were requesting
it, what they saw and what their needs were that were coming up. So, I thought that was
great to see all of that coming across. I did want to make a comment about the fact that
you guys were being logical in the city van, the maintenance van that you need, and the
fact that the police van was available to compensate for buying a new vehicle. So, you
were being -- between those -- being it -- using it wisely, instead of saying we are just
going to go out and buy something, we are going to look within our own departments to
see what we can use and be frugal and useful with the people's money. So, I thought
that was great. I did have a comment on the water district, just to --just because they are
going to be -- their objectives are that they are going to be doing six additional wells that
are going to be drilled by 2025 and so I just wanted to make a comment being very
cognizant of water, because it's very precious and to be aware that we -- I know the city's
growing and that we have all of that happening, but I think that they need to just be really
well aware of what they are doing and how they are going to be using that water and not
-- not waste it at all. The last comment was on the -- I wanted to know how the
Comprehensive Plan of the city worked in conjunction with the comprehensive financial
plan. It's just -- one, it's just more of a wish list and, then, what they are looking for is --
as you are looking out five years ahead, so I just wanted to kind of get a feel for how that
worked. And that's all I have. Thanks.
Simison: Thank you, Terre. Council, any questions? Thank you very much. Mr. Clerk,
do we have anybody else signed up?
Johnson: Mr. Mayor, that was -- that was the only sign in.
Simison: Okay. If there is anybody else who would like to provide testimony on the
budget at this time or online, if you would like to come forward or use the raise your hand
feature on Zoom. Seeing no one coming forward or raising their hand, Brad, do you have
any final comments?
Purser: Not at this time, no.
Simison: Okay. Then with that, Council?
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Borton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: I'm going to give a -- I think that last comment from Terre was a question. So,
here is kind of a snapshot answer I will -- I will provide on that. The Comprehensive Plan
identifies the -- the land uses that we anticipate, will -- as we grow and expand outward,
how those would -- how the land will be intended to be utilized and zoned when it is
ultimately annexed into the city and, then, with that we look at how we develop our existing
levels of service for public utilities, public safety, things like that and we determine what
the long-term capital costs are to maintain those and serve the citizens as we grow over
a designated time frame. So, we create a -- a financial plan that tracks how we are going
to spend these large capital expenditures to meet the growth of our city in accordance
with the anticipated land uses that our Comprehensive Plan designates. So, those two
somewhat marry together. So, year over year we are kind of tracking and budgeting --
not only to make sure we can cover the current fiscal year's issues and needs, but also
knowing that we have got upcoming expenditures in future years. So, it's -- the tools work
well together and that's a very general explanation of how we use them. Does that help?
Okay. Thanks for asking it.
Simison: Thank you, Councilman Borton.
Borton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: Real quick with the mic. The budget process is a ton of work from Finance and
just hearing comments that we did tonight, some praise for our staff, the things that are
-- maybe seem small are really important to all of us up here, in talking to our citizens one
on one, answering questions, making sure that not only the electeds are available, but
our staff is available from the start to finish and this has been probably eight months --
you are about ready to start next year's. It is long and -- and plodding. It's very public
and very purposeful and you all do a great job. Todd, your whole team, it's great
leadership that you are providing and just hearing a citizen say thank you means a lot,
because we know that's really important to all of us. So, lots of public meetings to discuss
this and vet this publicly. We have all heard from citizens, neighbors in grocery stores
and at -- at meetings like this. So, I think it's culminated into a very sound and defendable
and appropriate budget for the city in maintaining levels of service that our citizens
deserve and expect. That is critical. That's something that Meridian is not going to
change. The big things are the big things for us. Public safety, safe community, extremely
efficient and effective and clean water and sewer. Beautiful parks. It may seem simple,
but there is a lot of work that our entire city team does to make Meridian Meridian. It's
the best city in the state bar none. Funding it appropriately, as our citizens expect and
deserve, is a key part of that. So, you got to have the best people. We do. And you got
to fund them appropriately to be exceptional at what they do and I think this budget helps
accomplish that. So, thanks to the team for great work.
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Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: No one -- no one speaks more eloquently than Council Member Borton. So,
have nothing to add, other than the fact that above and beyond what our -- our financial
department does and leadership by Director Lavoie, hats off to the rest of our staff and
directors and the leadership that they provide. You know, every meeting that I have been
in we talk about the people's money. It's never our money and -- and a lot of times it's
really easy to look at budget as -- I don't know -- quasi-monopoly money, because it's not
really tangible in our own bank accounts and so -- but that's not how we operate and that's
not how I have ever seen any member of any level of staff approach the budget. We --
we approach the budget as the people's money and hats off to our leadership team and
the fine work that you all do.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: I appreciate the work by Finance Department. That's always very thorough
and all the departments and the work that they go through and it's -- it's quite the process
that you kick off with your departments, Mayor. And I just wanted to note that this is a
public safety heavy budget, as it should be. I -- we are a growing community, we have
grown rapidly and we certainly need personnel to -- to staff that and that comes into the
realm of the public safety area. You know, we are -- we have undertaken building two fire
stations, as well as a north Meridian police precinct. We have to staff those and when
you count up the numbers total for fire and police that's 46 people that we will be hiring in
this next fiscal year. That's a huge number. But we are facing unprecedented growth.
And -- and that also includes Mayor -- Council agreed with your recommendation that we
needed six SROs, school resource officers, to staff our elementary schools within our --
within our city boundaries. You know it -- it's unfortunate we have to do that, but it's
necessary in -- in -- in the world today and -- and what we see happening around the
country, but it was -- it was -- it's the right thing to do and -- and we -- I -- I definitely
support this -- this budget and it is a lot of money. We are very cognizant. It -- this isn't
other people's money, this is our money as well. We are residents. We pay the property
taxes. My parents pay the property taxes. My kids with my grandkids pay the property
taxes and, you know, it -- so, it becomes a family budget and that's how you approach it.
You know, it's -- it's important to maximize our resources, do what we can, what we have
to do, but at the same time doing it as efficiently as possible. So, I appreciate your efforts,
Mayor, in -- in putting this together and for the Council's work. We serve as liaisons to
different departments and we sit down with them and go through their budgets. It's a
lengthy process, but it is very thorough. So, appreciate everyone on Council who -- who
do that work as well. It's -- it's good work. So, I'm certainly in support of this budget.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
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Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: I'm happy to make a comment as well. Just -- you know, I'm -- I'm proud of this
budget. I think a lot of hard work went into it. It's a frugal budget. You know, there is not
a lot of fat in here. I agree with the comments that it's a public safety oriented budget and
especially I appreciate the prioritization of the new SRO positions. I -- I think it's incredibly
important that we do what we can as a city to keep our kids safe, especially at school
right now in this environment, and so I just really appreciate you putting that in there and
-- and feel really good about this budget. Happy to make a motion at some point, but I
will -- I will check if others have comments as well.
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: I'm happy to keep my comments brief. I think my colleagues have captured a
lot of -- of my feelings. Yeah. We are -- we are a blessed community and, Mayor, you
are blessed to have the best staff in the country, the best directors, the best Finance staff.
I think Brad does the Finance Department disservice by putting up just one slide that
shows the time and attention they put into putting forth our budget. Their efforts make
our city look really really great and as a -- as a taxpayer, as a resident, as a Council
Member, I'm -- I'm very very proud. I know we all are. I will cut kind of to the chase for
-- for where I will sit tonight. It probably won't come as much of a surprise. When we
were in our budget hearings I voiced the concern about 70 million dollars in unallocated
revenue and I have struggled with supporting a budget that continues to take the three
percent property tax increase until we have acknowledged what we are going to do with
that 70 million dollars. Meridian residents we -- we see the cost of -- of groceries, of our
utilities. We have had Republic Services before us tonight with a -- with a rate increase.
We are likely headed into a recession and to me I do not think that now is the right time
for us to be increasing taxes while we continue to have that 70 million dollars sitting in our
piggy bank. So, while I appreciate the effort of the Council, the Mayor, our amazing staff,
it's not a budget that I can be in support of tonight.
Simison: Thank you. Council, if I could just say from my perspective -- and thank you to
you all. You all have made this budget better. I know -- I know this budget required you
a lot to go out on -- take some pretty good big leaps with the number of personnel, with
the capital expenditures, the investment in all of our employees. This is not insignificant,
nor lost on me, but you ask good questions, you are part of the process and as I say
think this is a better budget today than when it started and I think it will continue to provide
the services that our residents need, expect, and the tools that our employees need and
deserve to provide the level of expectations of services to our community. So, thank you
for your diligence, commitment and involvement in that process. And with that I would be
happy to take a -- any action.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
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Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: I move that we close the public hearing.
Cavener: Second.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing. Is there any
discussion? If not, all in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay? The ayes have it
and the public hearing is closed.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: I will make a brief comment and, then, a motion. The reason we have the city
we have today is a result of the accumulative budgetary actions that came before us;
right? And it's hard to take the three percent, but I think it's been outlined in this budget
very clearly how incredibly critical it is for our public safety that we do so and with that in
mind and that reasoning and all the good reasons that every Council Member has brought
up, I would like to move that we approve the proposed fiscal year 2023 budget in the
amount of 219,724,039 dollars and have that brought back to us by ordinance at a future
meeting.
Borton: Second.
Simison: I have a motion and a second. Is there discussion on the motion? Mr. Cavener,
would you like a roll call?
Cavener: Yes, please.
Simison: With that Clerk will call the roll.
Roll call: Borton, yea; Cavener, nay; Bernt, yea; Perreault, yea; Hoaglun, yea; Strader,
yea.
Simison: Five ayes. One no. And the motion is agreed to and we will see that back here
on September 6. Thank you all. Todd, please give our best to the entire team for all their
work.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
3. Public Hearing for Julie Rivers Office Condominiums (SHP-2022-0009)
by Julie Rivers Development, located at NE Corner of W. Ustick Rd.
and N. Linder Rd.
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A. Request: Short Plat to condominiumize eight (8) office buildings for
ownership purposes.
Simison: Council, next item up is Item 3, which is a public hearing for Julie Rivers Office
Condominiums, SHP-2022-0009. We will open this public hearing with staff comments
from Mr. Dodson.
Dodson: Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Members of Council. Good evening. Hopefully mine is
a lot faster than the others -- other presentations. As noted it is a short plat, a very simple
condominium plat, which subdivides the airspace. The land and everything beneath
staying the same. The site consists of approximately four acres of land. It's already
zoned C-C, located at the northeast corner of Linder and Ustick Roads. Property received
development agreement modification in 2021 to amend the concept plan for this site that
had a different layout of commercial buildings and instead proposed this layout, as you
can kind of see on the left picture. All eight buildings have received administrative, as
well as building permit approvals, so they are currently under construction. If you drive
down Linder you can't miss them. This short plat request is to condominiumize each
office building into four tenant suites. So, eight times four is 32, so it would be 32 condos
for the purpose of ownerships. Staff has reviewed the proposed short plat and deems it
to be compliant with our UDC 6-B-5-A and after that I will stand for any questions.
Simison: Thank you, Joe. Council, any questions for staff? Okay. Is the applicant here?
If you would like to come forward, state your name and address for the record, be
recognized for up to 15 minutes.
Waters: Mr. Mayor, Council, my name is Justin Waters and I live at 3703 West Bismarck
Drive here in Meridian. We -- as Mr. Dodson explained, we are getting close to actually
finishing some of the buildings and so we are now ready to -- to get our plat recorded, so
that we can continue to close these buildings to those who have purchased them from
us. So, I think they are -- they are -- they are nice buildings. They -- they look -- they will
look nice and -- and add a nice -- add some nice businesses for the area. There has
been a lot of excitement in these buildings for small, medium sized businesses to be able
to have their own space. Thank you.
Simison: Thank you. Council, any questions?
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: So, 32 units, eight buildings, it's possible to have 32 different owners of these
condos. How is it going to work with the maintenance for the entire community? I assume
there is going to be some sort of business association that will manage that. What
happens if you have, you know, some of these owners that don't pay their dues, don't
participate in the way that they need to, what -- how is that going to look when you have
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one building that maybe isn't kept in the same condition as another or -- it's kind of what
we run across when we have these kind of buildings that have multiplicity of -- of owners
versus tenants, which usually will have a property management company that's managing
them, but you are selling these, what's that going to look like for the upkeep?
Waters: Yeah. It's actually a lot like what you just explained. It has a -- an association
that will have a property management company that will run it and the -- the nice part
about what you had brought up is that the association actually owns the exterior of the
project and so it will be maintained equally at a -- at a level that will be up to standards,
because the ownership of the actual units for each individual owner is only the inside of
the building, so --
Simison: Council, any additional questions?
Bernt: Mr. Mayor, I know this has nothing to do with --
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: I know -- and my question isn't going to be -- is not what we are voting on, just --
just -- I just -- I'm wanting to know are -- are these units going to look exactly like what
this picture looks like?
Waters: Yes.
Bernt: Identical?
Waters: Yeah. The -- I mean the tile is a little bit -- looks a little bit different in real life,
but -- like more of the texture of it looks a little bit different, but it's -- it's 98 percent like
that.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: I -- I will respond to Councilman Bernt, because this is a half mile away from
my house and I drive past all the time. I actually think they look better than what the
picture depicts.
Waters: Thank you.
Hoaglun: It's -- it's a little soft. It -- it just looks better than that. It just seems a little harsh
than what they look -- really look like when you drive by, so --
Waters: Thank you.
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Simison: Thank you. Council, any additional questions for the applicant? Okay. Thank
you very much.
Waters: Thank you.
Simison: Mr. Clerk, anyone signed up to provide testimony on this item?
Johnson: Mr. Mayor, I did not check in the back, but no one has signed up online. I will
go get that now.
Simison: Okay. Is there anybody here that would like to provide testimony on this item
or online? If you would like to provide testimony on this item, please, use the raise your
hand feature on Zoom. Okay. Seeing no one coming forward to provide testimony, does
the applicant waive their final closing comments? Applicant will waive their final closing
comments. So, Council, I will turn this public hearing over to you for disposition.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: It seems like a straightforward request. I think the buildings look nice. It's pretty
much underway. It's just a question of ownership. Happy to make a motion that we close
the public hearing.
Hoaglun: Second the motion.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing. Is there any
discussion? If not, all in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay? The ayes have it
and the public hearing is closed.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: After considering all staff, applicant, and public testimony, move to approve file
number SHP-2022-0009 as presented in today's staff report and just wish you luck on
your project. It seems like a nice looking project.
Hoaglun: Second the motion.
Simison: I have a motion and a second. Is there discussion on the motion? If not Clerk
will call the roll.
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Roll call: Borton, yea; Cavener, yea; Bernt, yea; Perreault, yea; Hoaglun, yea; Strader,
yea.
Simison: All ayes. Motion carries and the item is agreed to. Thank you very much and
good luck.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
4. Public Hearing continued from April 26, 2022 for Black Cat Industrial
Project (H-2021-0064) by Will Goede of Sawtooth Development Group,
LLC, located at 350, 745, and 955 S. Black Cat Rd. and Parcel
S1216131860
A. Request: Annexation of 126.57 acres of land with R-15 and I-L
zoning districts.
Simison: Council, next item on the agenda is Item 4, a public hearing continued from
April 26th, 2022, for Black Cat Industrial Project, H-2021-0064. We will continue this
public hearing with staff comments from Mr. Hood.
Hood: Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council. I am presenting tonight on behalf
of Alan Tiefenbach, which, if you hadn't heard,Alan -- we lost Alan. We are going into our
second week now. He's moved on to greener pastures in Montana. So, I want to thank
him for his service. He left us in a pretty good position, but I am covering this project for
him this evening. The application before you is a proposed annexation of approximately
127 acres of land currently zoned RUT in Ada county. It's located primarily on the west
side of South Black Cat Road, but there is about one acre located on the east side, which
you can see in the -- on the vicinity map on the screen now, which makes this property
what's -- that's to be developed contiguous to existing city limits. So, we got 1-84 to the
south. West Franklin Road is just to the north of the site. The annexation request
originally included approximately 130 acres of land in the proposed I-L zoning district to
allow an industrial development of more than 2,000,000 square feet and annex that one
acre of property I just mentioned and called your attention with R-15 zoning. So, primarily
I-L, but the one acre property on the east side of the road is proposed for R-15 zoning.
The annexation boundary has been reduced by approximately 3.6 acres due to one of
the owners rescinding their permission to annex and you can kind of see that parcel here
that -- when the application was submitted. It's about a three acre parcel, but once you
account for the right of way for Black Cat, it was roughly three and a half -- or 3.6 acres,
but about a three acre site if you exclude the right of way they have rescinded. So, should
the annexation request be approved that would result in a roughly, again, three acre
county enclave, surrounded by the proposed industrial development in the future. I will
also call your to attention on the revised site plan -- and we will get there in a couple of
minutes -- the potential fire station site that was located on the northeast side of the
property has also been removed from the conceptual site plan. The Comprehensive Plan
future land use map designations -- there is actually three on this property. The one acre
on the east side of Black Cat is designated for medium high density residential and, then,
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about a third of the property is designated for mixed employment -- or, excuse me, low
density employment. So, that would be largely the property along the frontage of Black
Cat and, then, mixed employment, which is roughly the west two-thirds and, then, along
the Interstate has that mixed employment designation. As noted on your agenda for this
evening the project was continued from April 26. It was actually on the March 1st agenda
as well, continued largely to allow the applicant more time to address traffic and
infrastructure improvements and craft DA provisions and findings. The applicant has
prepared those draft DA provisions and findings to be included in a development
agreement if the subject annexation is approved by Council. Since the last continuance
staff has met with the applicant and prepared a memo that provides commentary
regarding those draft DA provisions. Because staff and the Planning and Zoning
Commission recommended denial originally, DA provisions and findings for approval have
not been prepared for this project by city staff. I do want to call to your attention a couple
of other things. Today ACHD provided a clarification e-mail on the Franklin Road
improvements between Black Cat and McDermott. They sent us an e-mail, which I don't
know if -- I sent it to the Clerk. It was late today, so I don't know if you have that -- if it
made it in the packet or what, but I will just briefly summarize that from ACHD, just
clarifying that, in fact, design for-- again, the Franklin Road improvements is in their draft
budget to design the intersection at Franklin and McDermott and do the widening between
Black Cat and McDermott. However, funding for that hasn't -- is not guaranteed yet, as
the ACHD budget is on next week's actually agenda. So, on August 24th it's scheduled
for hearing and adoption, so -- also just note that construction of those improvements --
so, that's design --the --the -- the funding for designing of those improvements and, then,
constructional of those improvements would likely occur between -- or around 2025 or
2026 or even potentially later. So, I wanted to just call that to your attention, too. Just a
couple more things. Also today did receive an e-mail correspondence from the applicant.
They provided me a memo from Kim Warren in our Parks Department that I hadn't seen
before with some comments and, again, I will just summarize that. The Clerk has that as
well. Hopefully it's in your packet, but if not it basically is -- includes a condition to have
them construct part of a multi-use pathway network generally paralleling and along the --
the mid mile collector that runs east-west through the property and, then, they also
attached to that same e-mail, updated findings and conditions document. I did not have
-- did not perform a side-by-side analysis of that document, but you do have access to
that, so if you want to see the latest and greatest of their proposal for, again, DA
provisions, conditions of approval and facts and findings, conclusions, you do have that
in your packet as well. And, then, finally, I'm not going to go into or explain, you know, all
the concept plan and the elevations and the zoning. Again, this is the third time this has
been on your agenda, but I do want to call to your attention a few of the -- the items in
that memo dated August 3rd that Alan and I -- mostly Alan, but I did play a role -- I played
a hand in crafting some of the -- the language in there. Just a few of the highlights or
newer -- newer issues, if you will. So, DA provision number four and also DA provision
number nine, they kind of both address the east-west collector. I'm going to go to this
exhibit. I think it -- it really tells the story and some of staff's concern about the timing of
that east-west collector. So, you can see the applicant is proposing -- blue is kind of first
phase -- so, three phase project. First phase are the roadway improvement --
infrastructure improvements that are proposed by the applicant. Some of staff's concern
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is we have had discussions with the property owner directly to the west and they are a
large landholder there about developing that property as well. So, having that collector
be stubbed to that adjacent property, so the extension of -- can -- can occur with
development there is just something for Council to consider and, again, something that
staff thinks is a good idea anyway. So, again, Exhibit B, DA provision nine and DA
provision four all, to some degree, address that and that's on page -- starts at the bottom
of page three and goes on to the top of page four of the -- the staff memo prepared for
this evening and, then, DA provision number eight, the Rosenlof Drain, I don't believe this
was discussed at the previous hearing. So, city code does require any irrigation lateral,
canal that you are going to allow to remain open, that needs to be an explicit action by
the City Council, so you will need to, please, if you are going to move this forward tonight,
approve it, please, do address whether you want the Rosenlof to be tiled, piped, covered
or if you are okay with them leaving that open. Just a couple of things more on the
Rosenlof. So, again, the Rosenlof runs along the north boundary of this property.
Generally it's split, you know, right on the property line. So, the -- the middle of the
irrigation facility is half on the -- on the north property off site of this property and half on
this property. I need to say this kind of-- I'm not too concerned about safety, meaning I'm
not too worried with just the general nature of the land use here. I'm not too worried about
kids getting in and drowning and those type of safety concerns we would have in a
residential subdivision. The main reason, just to bring up the Rosenlof again, except for
that you have to --to make action on it-- is I am concerned about the potential connectivity
of when the properties to the north develop and if we have this open drain and having to
build bridges across, I just think there is going to be something to bring to your attention
anyways, that if you allow it to remain open I think it's going to be more and more difficult
to have this feel like a big project that's all integrated together and works together well if
there is a fairly significant irrigation lateral that bisects this project from the -- the four, five,
six other properties to the north that will redevelop over time as well. And this isn't in the
document, but I do also want to just address or bring to your attention -- and I don't think
it's intentional and maybe they even will -- again staff didn't craft conditions of approval,
but that -- that three acre outparcel, we want to make sure that if this is the roadway
network, the collector is right there just off site. They have a -- a drive aisle internal that's
just missing that parcel, that we do provide some cross-access to that parcel from this
project, so we aren't looking at another driveway or two to Black Cat in the future. So,
there is not a site specific condition of approval, but, again, just something to think about
with the removal of that three acres -- again, don't want that to feel like it's an afterthought
and when -- and someday in the future they will annex and develop, don't want them to
feel like they are a standalone project, that there is some -- at least sharing of access
points to the arterial. So, with that I think I covered most of my comments. Again, staff,
and the Planning and Zoning Commission did recommend denial. As of earlier today
there was no new testimony provided in Laserfiche that I could find and with that I will
stand for any questions you may have.
Simison: Thank you, Mr. Hood. It's nice to hear your voice back at City Council meetings,
even under some unfortunate circumstances, but, Council, any questions from Mr. Hood?
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
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Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Caleb, in regard to the ACHD 2023 draft budget and improving Franklin-
McDermott intersection and widening that roadway, is that all an ACHD project? Are they
going to have to coordinate with the city of Nampa to complete that? Because I don't
know exactly where that boundary ends, if it's to the west of McDermott or not.
Hood: Mr. Mayor, Council Woman Perreault, it's a good question. The -- the county line
does end there at -- at the intersection of McDermott. So, I imagine there is going to be
some coordination. I don't know if that's Canyon Highway District or Nampa Highway
District or who -- whose jurisdiction that is, but I imagine there is going to be some
coordination with them and maybe you and ITD -- because State Highway 16 is getting
real close in what they are doing with some of those improvements currently. But I don't
think that's an obstacle that can't be overcome. But, yeah, just some coordination
certainly.
Simison: Council, any additional questions for staff? Okay. Then would the applicant
like to come forward.
Nelson: Good evening, Mayor and Members of the Council. Deborah Nelson. 601 West
Bannock Street here on behalf of the applicant. Members of the applicant team are here
with me this evening and may be available to answer any of your questions or jump in
with any additional points. It has been several months since you have heard from us, so
we -- I would like to start with a quick recap. As has been covered in prior hearings,
industrial space is needed now in Meridian. The city has less than one percent vacancy
of industrial versus 14 percent vacancy in office. This is both an immediate problem and
a longer term problem, because there is no industrial land that's currently available for
development and only a small amount is planned with access to services. Less than one
percent vacancy means that new businesses cannot site here and expanding businesses
may be forced to relocate outside of the city. You have received letters and testimony
from area businesses talking about the inability to find needed space, including from
Scentsy, Northwest Fulfillment, Infinity Pools and others. Also local jobs are needed now.
Seventy-eight percent of Meridian residents currently get in their cars to drive to Boise,
Nampa and further. The project meets the Ten Mile Plan's goals for job creation,
supporting the creation of 2,000 jobs on this site. Significantly we have a large local
business that is ready to take 317,000 square feet of space within this project, if it is
approved this evening. They have 440 jobs that they plan for this location and these are
good jobs. The average wage of all of the jobs will be 85,000 dollars and the timing is
right for your consideration tonight, because we now have a defined plan to phase our
project with road improvements. We heard from the Council that you understood the
importance of industrial and the importance of this site, but you certainly -- you wanted
more certainty on traffic. You directed us to complete the TIS and phase the project with
road improvements and to work with staff on conditions of approval. ACHD has now
accepted the TIS. The project will meet all ACHD conditions. Road improvements and
phasing will ensure that all mitigation is completed and that there is an improved
connection to the Interstate. On Highway 16, since we last spoke, ITD has now secured
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the right of way on Franklin east to McDermott. The bidding is done and the contract has
been awarded. Construction is scheduled to begin November of this year and complete
March 2024 and this includes the connection to Franklin. On Franklin, since we last
spoke, the Idaho legislature allocated 36.5 million dollars to help ACHD accelerate
improvements to connect to -- to Highway 16. ACHD has published their 2023 proposed
budget and 2023-24 proposed budget. As was noted before, it will be voted on next week.
This budget includes five million dollars for design and right of way acquisition for the
Franklin widening and the Franklin-McDermott intersection. Once the budget is approved
construction is anticipated to begin in 2025. This timing aligns well with our project and
with Highway 16 schedule. Council Member Perreault, you asked about the small stretch
to the west that falls within Canyon county. That is in the jurisdiction of Nampa, because
that property has now been annexed. All of the right of way has been acquired and
Nampa is in discussions with ACHD for an MOU for ACHD to complete that work. On
Black Cat, according to the TIS, Black Cat functions well now and meets all levels of
service until 960,000 square feet. We will install the frontage improvements and the turn
lanes that are accessed before the project even begins to allow safe turning without
delays. Then we will limit our development to 960,000 square feet of occupancy until
Black Cat is widened. We heard the Council's request at our last hearing that Black Cat
was important. We also heard public testimony about Black Cat. So, the applicant has
spent the last four months getting all of the needed right of way under contract to widen
Black Cat from our site all the way to Franklin, which involved acquiring seven different
parcels. ACHD has now begun the process to purchase that right of way and is preparing
for that Black Cat widening. Previously -- this was also a topic in our prior hearings --
ACHD was not open to a cooperative development agreement on Black Cat, but now they
said they are open to that pending staff and resources availability. We have proposed a
phasing plan to align with the triggers in the TIS. Prior to occupancy we will install the
frontage improvements and turn lanes on Black Cat. We will not exceed that 960,000
square foot of occupancy until Black Cat is widened to five lanes and some striping and
turn lane improvements are completed at the Franklin and Black Cat intersection.
According to the TIS, this restriping is not needed until after 1.3 million square feet, but
we have proposed to expedite this. According to ACHD's letter, this will help address
capacity on Franklin. And the McDermott-Franklin intersection will also be improved at
this juncture. The TIS suggested adding a center lane here as an interim improvement
until Franklin can be widened. That will accommodate the development up to 1.6 million
square feet. ACHD is not requiring this improvement, because it is addressed in the
Franklin widening, but we agree to do this anyway, if Franklin is not yet widened, to make
sure that all interim impacts are addressed. We will not exceed 1 .5 million square feet of
occupancy until that Franklin widening is done. Also we will extend the east-west collector
as development calls for it. Certainly along adjacent development within our site and as
soon as there is a connecting road proposed to the west to address Caleb's concern. And
we will install a traffic signal on Black Cat as soon as it is warranted. Like other
developments have done in the Ten Mile area, we ask for flexibility on a couple of specific
design elements to fit this use. The smaller flex buildings meet most of the design --
excuse me -- the smaller flex buildings on Black Cat meet all of the design requirements
and the larger buildings meet most of these design requirements. We ask the city to
approve a few clarifications or changes, first related to the buildings -- you can see in the
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column to the left that is in your plan and the two columns to the right show our flex
buildings and, then, the larger buildings. Just two of those items to address. The plan
says a max 30 percent parking in front. We asked to clarify that this can apply on average
along the east-west collector to effectively park employees on the interior double-loaded
buildings. We do need some parking along the frontage, but we can meet the 30 percent
average on the east-west collector. This was supported by staff in our prior discussions.
Second, on the windows, 20 percent windows across the front of all buildings is not
practical for light industrial. We -- on the larger buildings we -- we ask that you allow 15
percent on average across the frontage of both the east-west collector and we would
provide that as well along 1-84. This is an illustration of the parking. You can see that we
have minimal parking along the east-west collector frontages. We do meet that 30
percent max on average. We have tried very hard to pull the parking behind the buildings
as much as possible. In an illustration of the windows, this is one of the larger single
loaded building. The larger double loaded buildings also have these corner treatments.
Two other site related items that we would like to address. The street section, as was
noted by Caleb, Parks has requested we provide that ten foot multi-use pathway within a
14 foot easement along the east-west collector, instead of on the on-street bike lanes.
The proposed -- so, we do provide that. Also the proposed road section includes three
12 foot travel lanes to provide safe turning movements and uninterrupted traffic flow,
rather than the two travel lanes shown in the plan. That is the other -- other than those
changes this matches your street section C. On the Rosenlof Drain we do propose to
keep this drain open as to date the staff reports have not required this to be piped. It is a
very deep drain that serves to recharge the groundwater. It straddles the property to the
north and it is still in use for irrigation tailwater from the ag operations to the north, which
is flood irrigated. As -- as Caleb noted, it is not an issue of safety. In fact, your code
suggests that it's appropriate to limit piping where it is not a concern about safety. From
a connectivity standpoint, ACHD's preference and ours has been to direct traffic to the
collectors to funnel them up through the collector to the proposed collectors to Franklin.
There is not just one property to our north that would provide a single connection, there
are multiple and it's appropriate for them also to use the east-west collector that will bisect
their properties, again, to funnel to the west to the main collector system. In summary,
looking at the benefits this project brings to the community, it improves traffic flow on Black
Cat from widening and adding turn lanes at the frontage and the signal when warranted.
The developer has secured the right of way to expedite the improvements. We extend
the roads and the pathways through the site to serve the larger employment area and
importantly, we provide two million square feet of needed industrial space to serve this
growing economic sector and help Meridian businesses have a place to expand. In doing
so we support the creation of 2,000 jobs to capture some of those 78 percent of Meridian
residents that are currently commuting. As noted we do have a large local business that
is ready to take down over 300,000 square feet and bring 440 jobs. This company has
indicated that they strongly prefer to be in Meridian, but they do need to make a decision
now and so if this project does not bring forward that much space for them they will need
to locate in a different city. We have worked with staff on conditions of approval and we
have brought copies of those this evening. If that would be handy for you to look at I'm
happy to pass those out. As Caleb noted, we also provided some minor adjustments and
it is in red line and so that is in the system in case you want to see what the adjustments
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are. They include revisions to address the park --the parking and the windows that I have
outlined here and also added in the parks condition that was received from Kim Warren
and also to address the east-west connection extending to the west when there is a public
street there to connect to to address Caleb's concern. Happy to discuss any questions
you have about the development, about those conditions of approval, and we have our
entire team here this evening. Thank you so much.
Simison: Thank you. Council, questions for the applicant?
Borton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: Deb, can I ask you to -- on -- maybe to focus on one piece of it and you just --
you referenced -- and -- and -- let me start over. From the last public meeting when it got
continued to here to today, I want to talk about the changes since that and there is a
number of changes I think -- or -- or clarifications with regards to the phasing and
onboarding of the project as a whole, but separate from that, the -- the metrics of the
project and the two -- the last you referenced were -- that are new, inclusion of the -- the
Parks pathways requested, the collector connection to the east as you referenced, but
can you summarize what the other changes to the project itself are, if any, from the last
hearing to today, other than phasing and those other two?
Nelson: Do you want me to start with the updates on the roadway network or start with
updates on the -- the project site? What's your focus?
Borton: So -- Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: So, the updates were certainly helpful, obviously, but are there changes -- I just
want to make sure I didn't miss anything specific. For example, when you last heard it
there was -- I'm making up -- 15 percent the windows on the frontage and now it's 20. 1
know that's not part of it, but -- or, you know, it was 40 feet high and now it's 38 feet high.
Any tangible differences? And if there is not that's -- that's fine. I just wanted to make
sure we didn't miss the specifics of how the project itself -- the components of it have
changed, if any. Separate -- separate from the phasing and -- that you describe. Hope
that helps.
Nelson: Mr. Mayor, Council Member Borton, I think so. Those changes that we are
requesting to the Ten Mile Plan related to the max parking and the windows are not new,
so that is consistent with what we have asked before and I think there was a discussion
at the last meeting about -- we could further that by getting those into conditions of
approval. One evolution of that through -- and that's part of why we had some clean up
to do on this -- was staff did ask for the -- the window treatment along 1-84 and so there
is some changes to the language to address that along 1-84. The parks condition, as you
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noted, although it didn't actually change our design, because we had already -- and this
came up at our last hearing. We had already been working with ACHD on -- and -- and it
seemed like the city as well prefers the multi-use pathway over the bike lanes. ACHD
certainly was leaning that direction. So, we had suggested that as an alternative to the
on-street bike lanes already. So, her condition falls right in line with that and we have just
added it as a condition of approval to capture her details of the 14 foot easement around
it with the ten foot pavement.
Borton: Okay.
Nelson: Let's see. Let me just look at the red line here to see if there is anything else.
So, since we provided these conditions of approval, looking at this map, so we have
agreed to bring in this Franklin-McDermott intersection improvement. That was not
required by ACHD and so you -- you saw a similar map that Caleb presented that we had
previously submitted with our proposed conditions of approval and since then we have
decided to add this, even though it wasn't required by ACHD, again, to try to address what
we heard from the Council, that you want to make sure we are addressing, you know, any
-- any pain points, to make sure that this traffic really does flow at each trigger along the
way and so that is a new offer as well and that actually is not even in the conditions of
approval yet. So, that is one item that we have not added since those were proposed.
Borton: Okay. And -- Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: And in prep for today I didn't think there was much more than what you have
described, if anything, and I know we expressed the primary concern that took a lot of the
last hearing was the timing and the phasing of the transportation improvements and --
and trying to gather more data and -- and I think you have done a great job with this
presentation trying to answer some of those questions. One of -- so, this is -- it's very
helpful I think what you provided. One of the challenges that I recall discussing at the last
meeting also included Black Cat Road and, you know, what's going to be heading to -- or,
excuse me, coming from the -- on the east side when that development comes in and is
Black Cat -- is its capacity going to be engulfed with 960,000 square feet here and
impacting the development across the street. Is there any additional information on how
you on board and the timing of that in relation to what -- I know you don't control it, but
what is coming across the street to the east?
Nelson: Mr. Mayor, Council Member Borton, so our traffic study does contemplate the
surrounding development and, you know, obviously, applies the growth factor, like
everyone does. So, this is projected out to 2030 and so the -- the expectation, of course,
is that improvements will be done long before then. But just in case they are not, that is
why we have agreed to the caps, so that we can't progress ahead of those improvements
no matter when they are done. But that -- you know. But our TIS does contemplate
additional development and the -- the growth around us up to 2030.
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Borton: Okay. Perfect. Thank you.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Thank you. I appreciate the work that's been done. I can tell you guys really
dug in a lot on this to phase it, work with ACHD and try to come up with a comprehensive
plan really to tackle the traffic issues, which I think was our number one concern. My only
real remaining concern I guess is -- I think I'm looking at outdated proposed findings. If
you sent a revised -- if you sent a red line and it was in the last 24 hours I did not receive
it. So, if you have a copy of that I would appreciate it. So, Deb -- Mr. Mayor, if you don't
mind.
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Thank you. So, one of the things I did notice -- and I'm glad that you have these
updated ones. I did still see I thought a pretty big disconnect between your proposed
findings and staff's comments. That was kind of my only real heartburn that I had left. I
understand there is going to be some pain in terms of the Black Cat area has traffic
concerns. We know that. I think this addresses those directly. I think it's appropriate.
You have acquired a lot of right of way. That is a significant step and I love the jobs and
I think that's really important. Office space is not -- unfortunately office space right now
is not really where the future is headed. This type of space is. I think it's great for
economic development. I'm very supportive of this project overall. I just wanted to go
through -- maybe if you could walk through the latest version of the proposed findings in
areas where you have disagreement with staff and kind of go -- if you don't mind going
systematically through all of the ones where there is a disagreement and giving your take
on it and, then, we can kind of highlight those and I would like to, then, mull -- mull that
over and kind of maybe hear from them if needed.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman -- Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: That was question number four on my list as well. So, thank you for --
Nelson: Okay. Mr. Mayor, Council Woman Strader, I -- I would be happy to and so maybe
just a general comment at the outset. This has, obviously, been a long project and -- and
we appreciate all the work that staff has put into this and met with us so many times,
especially Caleb to come in at the end here and -- and work with us on this. We have
been meeting with staff for -- for a period of years. So, that said, Alan, obviously, didn't
recommend approval to begin with and I think the memo you received of late just, you
know, brought forward the same points that you had seen in the staff report. I don't think
any of those statements he made were new or surprising probably. So, I -- I think a lot of
-- the bulk of it, the substance, I guess, we viewed as -- a lot of it's about the use -- the
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prior use, preferring a different use here. But I'm happy to walk through these and see,
you know, where there may be specific points.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Would you be okay with it if we do a little back and forth as we kind of --
Simison: Go for it. Yeah.
Strader: Okay. Because I just think it's going to be really granular. That would just maybe
be better -- cool. Thanks. Okay.
Perreault: Mr. -- Mr. Mayor, I apologize.
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: I think Council Woman Strader is probably referring to the notes that Council
made on the memo that was provided on August 3rd and you are saying that you believe
that those --that--that the statements that were made in that memo are not different from
the staff report that was originally issued? Is that what you are -- I'm understanding that
you are saying?
Nelson: Mr. Mayor, Council Member Perreault, as to the use, there is a lot of things that
were brought forward from the staff report. As to remaining issues, I mean support --
there is not support there for some of our changes to the Ten Mile Plan. That's why we
addressed those conditions specifically for you tonight again.
Perreault: Okay.
Simison: Council Woman Strader?
Strader: Perfect. So, I see in Section 1, obviously, there was disagreement about the
use. We --we knew that. But there --there was some pretty specific call out I think about
self storage and I know you have agreed --
Nelson: We were in agreement with that, yes.
Strader: And so where -- where -- if I look here on the new revised findings where does
it limit the uses?
Nelson: So, on 1.1 A--
Strader: Uh-huh.
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Nelson: --this is where it just talks about the I-L zoning is appropriate. In the last sentence
there, self-service storage facility will not be a primary use on the property.
Strader: Okay. And, then, I think there was another type of potential use that staff had
mentioned and I'm trying to recall where I saw that. It wasn't just self storage, there was
another --
Perreault: Mr. Mayor, it's under section one of the staff memo. Would it be possible for
staff to pull that memo up on this screen and we can follow through with that? I know
exactly which section Council Woman Strader is referring to.
Nelson Council Member Strader, on page two -- so, if it's -- if I pull away from the
conditions and just look at the memo then.
Strader: Yeah. I have it.
Nelson: On page two of that -- of the staff's memo. However, there are still uses that
could occur within the development based on the concept plan and I-L zoning that would
not be totally consistent with the Ten Mile Plan vision. These uses include warehousing
as a primary use. A freight terminal. Equipment rental, sales and service and vehicle
impound sales and repair. Is that what you were --
Strader: Yeah. So, clearly, you are going to need warehousing and I would imagine
freight. But I thought -- could you go into the equipment rental, vehicle impound -- I guess
uses.
Nelson: I -- I probably need my industrial based clients to weigh in on that.
Strader: I don't think we envision a tow yard or something here. So, that's why I thought
we could maybe go through that.
Wolff: Tim Wolff. 675 Sun Valley Road, Ketchum. Good to see you all again. I can
address that specific point. I mean, in general, yeah, I -- we agree that those aren't uses
that we would have. I mean -- so, a vehicle impound -- what if it's --
Simison: Mr. Wolff, can you speak --
Wolff: -- a vehicle impound, for example, what if it's Carvana and they have a finance
division and they finance cars and they have to take them back as part of their inventory?
I mean there is just all sorts of -- kind of -- I guess, you know, it's the responsibility,
obviously, of the Council to generate the best use for -- for the city and what we started
with in our very first presentation is we are in this community, we have done -- we are the
second largest leaser of industrial space currently in the Treasure Valley and our very first
presentation was here two of the kinds of uses that we have for this kind of property. One
of them is this particular tenant and another is a lease that we just did and our -- our
objective is we are going to own this stuff forever and we build Class A product and our
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objective is to bring Class Atenants to the space and so we are trying to demonstrate that
with a -- you know, putting a foot forward with an actual tenant here and so I don't -- we
are happy to go through with staff. I think our intent is -- we have no intent of having an
auto yard on the property, but if Carvana wanted to have a facility there where they stored
a bunch of cars that were distributed out to the community and a bunch of employees that
were high paid or something like that, we certainly would want to have the ability to do
that. So, we don't want to preclude ourselves from a high value use for the city and for
the project.
Strader: Right. But you -- I mean like, for example, you would not envision a use of
vehicle impound that would be on the -- keeping inventory of vehicles on the exterior of
the building.
Wolff: No.
Strader: Right. So, maybe it would make sense to specify that within the findings,
because I think that would draw that distinction. If it's Carvana and they are keeping
building -- you know, cars inside the building that's one thing and we don't want this -- and
it won't. I believe you, you know, that -- that that's your intention. I think we just like to
paper things up the proper way. I didn't have any other issues with the uses -- the other
uses. Go ahead, Joe.
Borton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: I don't know how we are going to go, but I will jump in on that -- on that one
question. From the list from staff I understand with the -- with an I-L zone these particular
uses that staff says aren't totally consistent with the Ten Mile Plan. They may or may not
necessarily be what you -- what you intend anyway. As to self storage, the proposed
condition removes it from a principally permitted use and moves it to the conditional use
category. Are there some of these --for example, perhaps you agree that vehicle impound
could be a prohibited use. Let's just knock -- let's just knock it out. Make that prohibited
and make some of these others that staff is concerned on -- at least move them from a
permitted use to a conditional use, similar to -- to how self-service storage is and as you
contemplate that question I'm looking at Caleb as well to see if, one, I have framed that
correct and maybe that provides some sideboards to a use that you may or may not do
ever anyway.
Hood: Mr. Mayor, Councilman Borton, I think your question is fine. I guess where my
mind goes is just a little bit in the tracking of this over time and, you know, our system is
really set up to have the base zoning, not hunt through a development agreement that
maybe 20 years old to say, oh, did Council prohibit that one use that's otherwise allowed
in the zone and now requires a CUP. We can do it, but we are just a little -- we become
-- I get a little freaked out when you do that and you take some of the uses that are
otherwise principally permitted or prohibited and you say, well, except for this use and
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that use and -- no one's going to remember that and they find the record and -- anyway.
So, your question is fine and if you want to go there we can do that. I just want to put that
disclaimer out there that sometimes mistakes get made that way, because it's outside of
the normal zoning and I think not -- not to beat the drum, but that's kind of why we were
like ME zoning makes the most sense, because those uses are consistent with -- more
consistent with the plan. I-L there are some uses that are consistent. But that's why staff
was saying ME, then, we don't have to do this, but for -- and add this one -- anyway. So,
that's not your question, so I will stop.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: This question is for the applicant and for Caleb. Was there any conversation
about doing a Comprehensive Plan amendment specifically to the Ten Mile Area Plan as
a part of this application and would that have taken us through a different process?
Because I feel like this is a significant enough acreage for us to not be considering such
significant changes to our Ten Mile Area Plan without going through a more formal
process with -- you know, as we would do with anybody that would -- that we would
encourage to make a Comprehensive Plan map amendment with their application -- or
before their application.
Nelson: Mr. Mayor, Council Member Perreault, I would be happy to jump in if you want.
I know you directed it to both of us. So, at the --just as a reminder, the --the light industrial
zone is an allowed plan with the Ten Mile Plan. So, in the metrics of -- that's published
within the plan of the zones that are allowed, light industrial is one and so all of the uses
that would normally be allowed in that zone actually are expressly contemplated in the
plan. Yes, the applicant did discuss that with staff when they initially came in for the pre-
application -- the initial meetings and at that time -- and it's in the pre-app notes in the
record, it was discussed that I-L was an appropriate zone and so that was the initial
discussion. After that, you know, staff has pulled -- pulled back and --and raised concerns
and so that's -- and that's why we have gone to a lot of the detail that we have put forward
before you to try to explain -- in our first hearing we did a lot of walking through the Ten
Mile Plan and why the light industrial zone was the best zone and the best fit for this area,
why it was contemplated in the plan and why it worked, but, then, also why industrial was
such a great use here. So, yes, a lot of -- a lot of thought and discussion has -- has gone
into that. As to the uses, I think the -- you know, Council Member Borton's suggestion on
the conditional use permit, you know, we need a ready site that's part of having available
industrial and so if there are uses that could be contemplated within a conditional use
permit adds another layer that doesn't work for people's timing and that was addressed
at a prior hearing as well. I think you guys may remember Tim commenting on the speed
at which people make decisions to get into industrial space. So, I think it is easier to focus
on the uses and as was testified that outdoor, you know, vehicle impound certainly could
come off the list. We worry about when it comes to inside. Sorry you missed my last
comment responding to your question. I should have paid attention that you weren't there.
I was just saying that the conditional use permit adds a -- a delay that doesn't work for
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industrial tenants coming into businesses and so it's better to, you know, kind of work on
the use. Outdoor vehicle impound not planned here. It's the indoor space we are trying
to protect and make sure that those operations don't have restrictions on the type of use
if they are typical light industrial uses.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Can we focus on self storage will not be a primary use. I would love it if we just
said self storage will not be a use and if you needed to get a DA amendment you could
come back to us, but self storage has no jobs attached to it. I mean that's my biggest
heartburn. I think there are others that share that concern. I just want to get some
feedback on that.
Nelson: Acceptable, yes.
Strader: Okay.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Thank you. I -- I have not been under the impression this time -- this entire
time that this was --would be considered a light industrial complex and so clearly you and
staff are not on the same page about what that means, because staff wouldn't have made
this comment if you were on the same page. When you just stated that, you know, yes, I
am very aware that I-L is a zone that's permitted. That -- that's not a question. The issue
is is that staff doesn't believe that the -- your proposal is -- is really meeting the intention
of the Ten Mile Plan and so I want specific comment on that, rather than under -- you
know, trying to explain what uses are -- are permitted in the I-L zone.
Nelson: Mr. Mayor, Council Member Perreault, I'm not sure what else to add beside that
history, but perhaps, you know, that's a good question for Caleb. But early discussions,
like I said, that are documented in the pre-app notes were that I-L was an appropriate
zone. There was evolution in that. As staff considered this, didn't support the use, that
continues to be shown in -- in this document, of course. So, you know, we had hoped
with the direction we heard from the Council of kind of recognize the importance of this
use, but focused on traffic, that we would have, you know, more productivity and working
through these conditions of approval. But we have -- we have done the best we can.
There certainly were a lot of things that were perfectly fine on both sides and -- and this
conversation has been going on for a long time, so we weren't surprised by the
commentary we -- we got from Alan, but -- but he also did add some things that we were
acceptable to add. Caleb raise some points -- again that connection to the west. So, it
has been collaborative where ever we can. So, I hope that answers what you are trying
to get at. I'm not sure I know --
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Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Thank you. Really what I'm trying to get at is we regularly have residents who
come to us with concerns that we are not following a plan that was -- that was, you know,
invested in and -- and voted on on their behalf. We took a very long time to work on --
not -- not only the Comprehensive Plan most recently, but the Ten Mile Plan when it was
developed and so I just want to honor that request by our residents, that we stick as
closely to what was intended as possible and I want to -- at anytime we have a
conversation, no matter which applicant it is that may stray, where staff feels like we are
straying from that plan, I want to take it really seriously and flush out whether it's
something that's worth overriding with what the public has asked us to do. I -- I have -- I
-- I think the use -- this -- this for me is not an issue of whether this is a great use, this is
clearly a use that will be super beneficial to this area. That's not a question in place. It's
really just, you know, if -- if -- you are asking us to -- to really in every one of these
conditions that you proposed there is something that staff has had to say that -- that --
that creates an issue for us to have to overcome and that's -- that's a big ask. So,
appreciate Council Woman Strader's proposal to go through these one by one, because
I was going to make that same request. These aren't small things for us to consider.
They are pretty significant given what our residents have told us about the role they want
us to play with -- with our Comprehensive Plan and with the transportation network as
well.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Okay. Well, I feel like if we -- I would advocate just going through each of the
proposed conditions of approval, pulling in from staff's memo the comments as they apply,
because I have that, but -- and probably any other people's help and, then, I guess I'm
kind of looking over at Caleb to chime in if he has a comment as well, if it's not covered.
But I think if we go through it more -- I think if we go through it systematically I think that
would -- that's -- I don't -- I -- that's just me. But I -- but I understand Council Woman
Perreault's -- get kind of like an on principle point, which I think is a different point. I'm
not as hung up I guess personally on how this would fit into the Ten Mile Plan. I think if
we go through it we may be able to get to the right answer. But maybe I'm just being
overly optimistic. I don't know. Okay. So, I guess there is a question about -- I see that
there was a comment from staff about all future buildings being subject to architectural
design review. Would that fit with 1.1 B, do you think, Deb, or how do you want to tackle
that? Or is there another point of disagreement where that would belong -- that goes --
however you want to take these, but -- yeah.
Nelson: Council Member Strader, yes, thanks for the opportunity. We don't have any
concerns, nor have we understood that there would be an opportunity to get away from
design review. We know that will be applied here. That process will apply.
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Strader: Great.
Nelson: So -- so, this is in comment that -- staffs comment on our 1.1 B development of
the subject property shall be generally consistent with the final site plan and conceptual
building elevation submitted with the applications.
Strader: Uh-huh. Yeah. So, I guess, you know, that's a question if -- if it --
Nelson: So, this language is taken from other projects. That's how we had to draft this,
because we didn't have draft conditions, so we looked at your other conditions, pulled in
those standard conditions and started with that base.
Strader: Yeah. So, maybe -- maybe what would be clarifying, then, to give staff comfort,
if that is still a concern, which, Caleb, if that's not a concern let me know -- would maybe
be to -- instead of ending it at applications, would be to specify, you know, including the
architectural design review process.
Hood: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Mr. Hood.
Hood: If I can just interject real quick. There is a little bit of a disconnect with the
numbering, too, and -- and what is two on the screen or in the memo and 3-A and one on
the most recent -- there is some overlap, too, in some of the provisions; right? Like two
on the screen talks about conceptual building elevations and, then, 3-A continues to talk
about elevations and facades and that's where some of the concern is addressed -- and
maybe just to cut to the chase there, I think with -- I don't really have a -- a problem with
the window provision that -- that was mentioned earlier. I do think the north property and
trying to hold the line -- and I appreciate just as a -- sort of an aside, but in the same vein
-- Council Woman Perreault's comment on respecting the Comprehensive Plan and the
integrity of that and that it was developed by our community and trying to uphold that.
There is some level of concern that if that north facade of -- of those buildings there
doesn't meet the architectural standards that we will get something similar on the other
side and so it's this Pandora's box that opens up and, then, if we get these warehousing
buildings that are marginal -- I will just say it that way, that -- you could make a -- you
could make a case either way; right? You could make the findings that this is consistent
with the plan or that it's not. There is some gray area there. But there is some concern
that we want to still hold that development to the north to a high standard, the same
standard that we are holding this project to, and if we don't have those elevations with
some of those architectural concerns they are going to want to match it and just --we will
have blank walls and it will be a tunnel of the sides of buildings that aren't interesting and,
just to say it bluntly, ugly. So, that -- that would be my main concern, just to kind of
paraphrase the concern on all the building elevations concerns and architectural
standards is -- is what would be required on the north -- the northern buildings that -- that
basically front the Rosenlof and the future northern properties that are yet to be developed
in the City of Meridian.
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Strader: Yeah. So, Caleb -- I'm sorry, Mr. Mayor, if it's okay. Thank you.
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: You are the best. So, Caleb, if -- if they were open to the concept that -- you
know, the buildings that are facing the outside of the development, those facades, you
know, kind of follow these guidelines and so if-- if they were amenable to including in 1.1
-- I guess this would be E-1 and the north facing building and the buildings facing Franklin,
the north side of those facades, would that --would that take care of that concern for you?
Hood: Mr. Mayor, Council Woman Strader, I think so, although you lost me on the
numbering a little bit. I think you said 1.1 E1 and I --
Strader: Yeah.
Hood: I think we are in 1.1 C.
Strader: I'm sorry. It's C-1. I drew a little line.
Hood: Sorry. I turned my page and so, then, I --
Strader: My bad.
Hood: Yes. Essentially, I think that one is -- yes, that would -- that would address a lot of
the concern anyways with --
Strader: Okay. And so is that something -- you guys are chatting, so I will give you a
second. But is that something that you guys could live with? I will let you kind of caucus
and figure if that's something that you can --
Nelson: Mr. Mayor, Council Member Strader, I guess I would ask to, you know, kind of
maybe table a few of these items like that. I -- I can tell you that my understanding from
the Ten Mile Plan and the early discussions have all been about which street frontages
that was -- would be -- those requirements would actually apply to normally. Our
surrounding development, especially to the west, is expected to be industrial. So, it's
more about what's facing this -- the street frontages there. So, I guess with that comment
I think we just have to -- we would have to huddle on that.
Strader: Yeah. I get that. Maybe put a pin in that and we will circle back to that. I put a
little star next to it, so -- okay. Okay. And so there is already a limitation on the buildings
that are oriented towards South Black Cat and I'm assuming that that limitation is reflected
here and if you could just point out where that is, so I can check that off my --
Nelson: I apologize. Can you repeat that? I was noting down the facade question.
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Strader: Yeah. I'm just looking through the -- the planning memo under number two.
Their response to your initial findings. Buildings K1 to K6 are oriented towards South
Black Cat Road and they are limited toward to 17,000 square feet. I think that -- we
already say they are consistent with the Ten Mile Specific Plan, but I wondered if you are
-- if that limitation on their size is reflected in your findings.
Nelson: My understanding from what staff's comment is here and -- and welcome Caleb's
comments on that as well, but there -- this is a description of what we have proposed and
he is saying that the flex buildings have accomplished what's appropriate.
Strader: Uh-huh. But it's tied to the concept plan.
Nelson: Interior larger buildings that he has objection to.
Strader: Yeah. Okay. That's -- Caleb, is that -- that's accurate? Okay. Okay. Cool. So,
we figured that out. Okay. Fifteen percent -- Caleb, you said you could live with that?
Fifteen percent of the frontage?
Hood: I'm -- I am not going to -- that's going to be a Council call. I mean we haven't
adopted -- kind of back to Council Woman Perreault's comment. That's in the Ten Mile
Specific Area Plan. If you think 15 is appropriate, you know, it-- I would challenge anyone
to tell the difference between 15 and 20 percent, but I'm not comfortable saying that 15
percent is okay.
Strader: Okay. Well, it's not going to -- it's not the hill that you are going to die on. So, I
appreciate that. I guess I will look around. I don't have an issue with that compromise
per se. These are industrial buildings. They are what they are in my opinion. They look
nice. I didn't have an issue with how they look. I think the fact that they are willing to
table the issue, but maybe open to adjusting those north facing facades I think was a
pretty significant thing if it's considered -- okay. Parking. Thirty percent of the linear
dimension of the frontage. So, now I'm in 1.1 C3. It sounds like you need this done this
way because of the business use. That was my impression.
Nelson: Right. To accommodate the employees we need more than the 30 percent in
front of a couple of buildings, but on average we can meet that along the east-west
collector. The plan just says max 30 percent in front. So, we are just asking for
clarification that that can be averaged throughout the east-west collector and we have
worked hard to pull that parking to the back of the buildings.
Strader: Okay. All right. And, then, I guess, Caleb, do you feel that we need something
that further references the -- the specific buildings or do you -- I know you are not going
to make a call on that requirement, but --
Hood: Well, maybe -- maybe a comment on that if I -- Mr. Mayor, if I may. So, a couple
of things. That -- the way it's worded is going to be difficult to track over time; right?
Because you are doing it in phases, so first phase comes in and we have got a certain
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amount of frontage and so they got to calculate that and, then, is this like the last building
and, then, we verify that overall there is -- so it --just the way it's worded is a -- it's a little
bit -- I don't want to call it a nightmare, but it's -- it's a tracking issue and to calculate that
on a -- as a building comes in, okay, you are below 20, you are over 30 percent and, then,
keep that average is difficult. So, if that's what you want to do we will try. I'm -- I'm not
too concerned -- and, in fact, in probably six weeks or so you will see some UDC code
amendments and we are actually changing the standard. So, for industrial buildings we
are going to go up to 50 percent. So, just as an FYI I think our code -- if it's adopted. Still
got to go through the public hearing process. This really won't even be an issue once we
change the code, because you run into this problem with more industrial projects and
have approved alternative compliance and we are like we need to change our code,
so --
Strader: Okay. Thank you. That's really helpful, actually. It's good feedback. Okay. So,
it sounds like that will be okay. If -- if it is. Okay. East-west collector and conformed
street design. All right. Deb, where is the next place that we have kind of a disagreement
that you see?
Nelson: So, I guess the disagreement is in the eye of the beholder. The -- the next one
does talk about the street section. Maybe it's just better to be methodical. We addressed
that in our presentation and outlined the -- the deviations we have from Street Section C,
which are partly driven by the desire to have the multi-use pathway.
Strader: Right.
Nelson: And, then, because we have three lanes, instead of two --
Strader: So, could you help me? Is that -- are you talking about -- let's see. We had
1.1 C3. 1.1 C2. We talked about those. Where does the -- where -- where do we see the
DA provision that provides for the multi-use pathway reflected in these findings?
Nelson: So, in 1.1 J the applicant shall provide a ten foot wide detached multi-use pathway
parallel to the east-west collector road within a 14 foot wide easement, ten foot pathway,
and two foot shoulder each side. Then the street section -- trying to find that.
Strader: And just to confirm, that totally complies with the request from the -- I guess
Public Works Department in terms of what they were looking for, I assume.
Nelson: Can't find that one. Okay. Okay. Street section is attached as Exhibit A, but we
may need some verbiage to incorporate that.
Strader: Could you repeat that?
Nelson: Street -- the street section is attached as Exhibit A to the back of the proposed
findings. Oh. Excuse me. I just found it. It's in 1.1 C4. When required to be constructed
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the east to west collector shall be constructed in conformity with the street section design
attached as Exhibit A.
Strader: Okay. All right. And, then, consistent with -- okay. Then we have exceptions.
So, Caleb, do we have any issues with these exceptions under 1.1 D one and two?
Hoaglun: Mr. Hood.
Hood: Council President and Council Woman Strader, so D1 is -- we kind of talked about
above and 1.1C1. So, there -- there is some repetitiveness to some of that. So, yeah,
we are still talking about when design review basically applies to what building facades,
so to answer your question, yes.
Strader: So, inclusion of the -- if there was an inclusion of facades facing the north side
that would be included here. If it were to come to pass. Okay. Right. Okay. So, put a
little star next to that. Okay. I'm assuming we --we don't have any issues with the process
in terms of CZC and they have accepted the TIS. I think that that should all be fine. Okay.
Maybe we go to the drain. Yeah. Okay. So, we like to leave the drains open if they are
not safe. It's great to recharge the groundwater. Don't yet know exactly what the use will
be to the north. Are you guys going to put up a fence? What's the plan around the drain?
Nelson: We do not currently have a -- a fence plan there. As -- as Caleb noted it didn't
appear to be a safety issue. We do have a significant setback from it. The Nampa-
Meridian Irrigation District does have a maintenance road along the south side of the drain
that is on our property and, then, we have an additional buffer back from that. So, our
first improvement, which is parking -- so, it's even further set back is 35 feet from the
drain. So, we have got a significant distance there. No residential use, nothing that would
create somebody to go toward the drain or need to, so it's --
Strader: Kind of; right? It's halfway on your property, halfway on another property.
guess what I'm sort of -- personally I think piping it would be great, but I understand the
advantages to not piping it for the city overall. I guess I'm wondering are you willing to
put a fence on your side, because, then, I think that would be the standard I would expect
from the property owner to the north.
Nelson: Yes, we can agree to that.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Strader: I'm going to look around a little bit on that.
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: So, this is a drain; right? So, this is not a canal. I don't know -- I assume there
is a -- that there is not consistently running water going through this. So, I think we -- you
know, we had had -- we had -- had talked about -- another development had brought up
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this concern about, you know, do we require fencing on canals with active running water.
A drain is different. I -- I thought we had kind of come to the conclusion that fencing on
drains isn't necessary. I know Nampa-Meridian doesn't like them. But I'm curious if Caleb
could refresh our memory on that.
Hood: So, Mr. Mayor, Council Woman Perreault, I don't know whether I can refresh your
memory, because I don't recall the conversation myself. I can only tell you what the code
says and -- and it is a case-by-case basis. Maybe a little bit of context. I mean historically
this Council -- and I believe past councils -- when it's proven that it's a 36 inch diameter
pipe or more, the cost benefit seems to go way down. So, I know what it would take to
-- to pipe this, but historically that's kind of been a factor anyways for previous councils to
grant that waiver is if it takes a really large pipe. Historically that's -- that's been granted.
And there has been other cases as well. But, again, the standard is what I put in the
memo that unless you waive it for whatever reason you determine appropriate, the
standard is to generate -- now, that doesn't apply to creeks and some of those other
waterways that we want to keep open and use as an amenity, but the Rosenlof is not
called out as one of those.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: My recollection is with --when it comes to drains that -- that description fits. It's
not a canal. It does drain and during irrigation season it may have more water, but
typically a drain does that, it drains groundwater, any other water that's coming into that
to -- to run off. So, typically, they are often kept open and -- and the easement -- I looked
at the letter from Nampa-Meridian and, of course, the easement -- protect the easement
and that sort of thing. But, typically, a lot of the subdivisions put their walking paths along
the drain and they may slope it down, put in rock, that sort of thing and -- and -- and use
it that way. This being a different type of site, but, you know, I would want clarification
from Nampa-Meridian and specifically for -- for the drain.
Hood: So, Mr. Mayor, if I can just maybe piggyback on those comments. And, again, this
is just annexation, not a subdivision, but with our subdivision improvements that is
typically one of the options is to make it an amenity then. If you are going to leave it open,
then, make it something that is attractive and doesn't become a nuisance and we don't
-- we are not opposed to the fence if that's where you all want to go, but that doesn't really
look nice either to just have this -- you know, a fenced off channel there necessarily. So,
again, historically that is something we are not saying we need to change the slopes to
be three to one and all that, but typically there is some improvement of it at least, then,
that -- that just doesn't become weeds.
Strader: Yeah. No issue. I was only reacting to -- I thought I saw that it was 12 feet. Is
that accurate?
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Nelson: That's correct. It's 30 feet wide and 12 feet deep. So, it's significant size. And
it does not run year around. So, Council Member Perreault, you are correct, it is a drain,
it is not open all the time. So, I mean it would be our preference not to put a fence there
and block it off for the view from employees, but that's -- if that's required we would accept
that.
Strader: Okay. I don't -- I'm looking around. Maybe an open vision fence. But if I'm the
only one -- I always get hung up about these and, then, Council President Hoaglun looks
at me, because he knows they are not a big deal. So, I apologize. If it's not a big deal I
will move on. I'm going to look at you. It's 12 feet deep though. I mean --
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Mr. Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Council Woman Strader, yes, I'm very familiar. On my father-in-law's farm it
was 12 feet deep and that's where we would go and jump the ducks just before sunset
and walk back and have duck for dinner, so -- and what they did when that property
developed, you know, they backed it off, opened it up and made a nice slope and -- and
landscape and did all sorts of things and make some nice walking paths, so -- but, again,
that's for -- for a subdivision. It's a little different with an industrial site, but I -- I am just
kind of in my mind remembering -- I think for drains Nampa-Meridian does not like fencing
along that. They do have easements along there, but I think it's different than canals
where they -- they want the easement, but you can put fencing in as long as they have
their--their--their property area. But I --that's why I would like to make sure with Nampa-
Meridian that -- where that -- that is accurate.
Strader: Okay.
Nelson: Council Member Hoaglun, we would not be able to put a fence within their
easement, to be clear.
Hoaglun: Correct.
Nelson: It would have to be on our property and -- I mean they -- they do use that
maintenance road. They dredge it every two to three years and pull out the -- the silt, et
cetera, at the bottom. So, it is a maintained kind of constantly operated facility and it is
deep enough to intersect the groundwater there. So, it is an impact on groundwater to
pipe it.
Strader: Right. I think maybe --
Hood: Mr. Mayor and Council Woman Strader, if you don't --just --just to bring it back to
full circle while -- my concern isn't necessarily for safety. I'm not going to say it's safe or
unsafe, because I can't make statements like that. But, again, my concern -- and I hear
what the applicant is saying, you know, east-west collectors, get people to the collectors,
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but there is a future signal on this site and I would like properties to the north be able to
have access to that without having to go a half mile back down and around to get to a
signal if they want to continue south and not use the arterial. So, that's really why I bring
up -- I'm not advocating for it to be fully piped, but, if not, is there going to be a bridge or
something that -- not to all six properties, but somewhere in the half mile some decent
access to -- for the future that we can, again, not have -- the UPS driver has to go all the
way around -- you know what I -- it's just things like that where we don't want to send
them out to the arterial and all the way back to the west another half mile to get back
between these two projects that have the same comp plan designation, but for this -- this
drain if we leave it open. So, I won't beat that anymore, but that's really what -- I just want
to make sure you are aware of that with whatever you do, that the likelihood, then, of
having any vehicular connection to any of the six or seven properties to the north direct
-- indirect, yeah, with the collector network, but directly probably will never happen, so --
Strader: What do you think, Deb?
Nelson: Well, I will offer a few comments and my clients can jump in and see what they
say. So, yeah, the -- the north-south local street was discussed pretty early on with staff
and it was actually--we brought it up in one of our earlier hearings. ACHD doesn't support
a local street going north-south there, because they do want everything to go funnel over
to the collectors. You know, that -- that property does have access both to -- to funnel,
again, on their east-west collector, so just like our site has to construct an east-west
collector through the middle, the properties to the north also do and so they will have the
same opportunity to access the north-south collector as we do, which works well.
Funneling an unknown user's traffic into our site is -- I guess hard to say that that works
for us or it doesn't work for us yet. You know, if it -- if it had to be designed that way and
that were approved by ACHD, you know, when that site develops, then, you know, they
-- we do have -- you can see on our site design we do have our drive aisles run north-
south, so, you know, they would have that opportunity if that were appropriate at that time.
Strader: Yeah. I mean I guess the -- the tough thing is like this is what we expect from
everybody -- like we expect every single applicant to like have connectivity to the next
property. It's -- it's hard. I'm -- I don't know. Anyway. Maybe we will put a pin in it. I see
a big one. So, the next big one that I see is really the timing of the east-west collector
extending all the way to the western boundary. So, I think there is a real question that
staff is raising of when should that take place. Should that take place immediately or
should that take place after 960,000 square feet?
Nelson: So, we did add language to try to address this and that is in 1.1 H2.
Strader: Uh-huh. Okay.
Nelson: So -- because that's where the language had been about the east-west collector,
so we just added additional language that -- so, the east-west collector is expanding
through the site as the project progresses; right? To serve our development just like it
normally would, but we added that -- so, it would the -- excuse me. I will just start at the
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beginning of the sentence. The east-west -- east to west collector must be extended to
the western boundary of the site as the development progresses to the western end of
the site or-- this is the new language -- or at such time as the property to west constructs
a connecting street, whichever is sooner. So, if there is somebody who needs to be
connected, we would have to expedite that timing, even if we were not out developing the
western end of the property at that time. So, that was our attempt to try to address that
concern to make sure that we are not a holdup ever. We would develop it as we normally
progress, but, then, extend it out as soon as there is a need to connect to that road.
Strader: Caleb, what do you think about that?
Hood: So, Mr. Mayor, Council Woman Strader, I really do appreciate the intent of-- of the
condition and I feel like I'm a broken record here a little bit tonight. It is -- so, that project
comes in and stubs, so do I call somebody and say, hey, they built the road, now you
have ten days, a year, three years to construct your connection. I mean there is nothing
-- there is no real trigger or it's -- it's just the logistics of how we make that happen and,
again, the -- the intent I think is there and I love it, it's just when it comes to what do I --
how do I -- what do I hold and say until you do this I got your building permit or I got your
occupancy or is it within -- when ACHD accepts that road? Is it when Council requires
the stub street? It's just some of the nuances to that language. Again, I love the intent,
just -- we are going to get there and they are going to say, well, it just says that we have
to do it at such time the property west constructs theirs and it's still under construction
and, then, is it -- do they have six months? Do they have six years? Is it just tied to no
more than 1 .5 million, you know. So, I -- and I don't know the answer there. Again,
appreciate the -- the language, just it needs to be clear.
Strader: That's a great point. Deb, what about a timeline like that you will complete that
road improvement within three months of the stub street connecting to the western
boundary?
Nelson: Council Member Strader, we are discussing, so I guess our vision of how -- the
city has a lot of hooks, because the build out and this is just one of the earlier phases, so
we feel like there is a lot of opportunities to -- to flag this, but if-- if they want -- you know,
if the city or the adjoining developer wanted to give us notice that would be one way to
trigger it. In addition to having all of the permitting throughout the entire larger
development and -- but, then, if we are not very close, we would need to get, you know,
over there, so we need 12 months probably, but -- I mean that's part of why we tried to be
very specific with it once they have a connecting street. We don't want them to just say,
hey, we want a future road. I mean it should be like timed with appropriate development
I guess is what we are trying to accomplish, but --
Strader: I mean it doesn't take that long to make a road. I hope. I mean I'm not -- you
are looking at me, but I mean 12 months is a long time, Deb. What if it's three months
from the time that -- three months from notice from staff, would that -- would that work?
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Nelson: I don't think they are comfortable that they can design and build a three lane
collector in three months.
Strader: Okay. So, how long would it take?
Nelson: I hear -- I hear murmurings back here.
Strader: Okay. So, you guys talk about that.
Hood: Mr. Mayor, if I can. Council Woman Strader and the rest of Council, I guess not
trying to require, you know, dollars that -- that aren't needed now, I mean I don't want to
build the road to nowhere necessarily, but when the Asumendi property comes in I
envision a similar condition for them that with phase one you take collector and you get it
up to Franklin and, then, you have got the backbone to the whole transmission network.
That's really the intent is that now we solve a lot of the problems -- or at least address
some of the problems on Black Cat not being sufficient and if we get the road stubbed
there with phase one to that property and, then, require Asumendi to take it, pick it up and
bring it to Franklin, you got the backbone of the entire transportation network in this
section. At least that's the thought process with staff. Not, oh, we got to wait for ACHD
to say they have accepted a stub street, now we have to call --
Strader: I get it, Caleb.
Hood: -- an applicant that may not -- anyway.
Strader: I get you one hundred percent. I mean that's really the issue is if it's not that
workable really what I was leaning toward initially was this just needs to go as part of your
initial phase, just extending that collector to the western boundary just removes the issue.
Then you have a collector, then, we don't have these issues of traffic. I mean that -- that
would be -- I think everyone's preference is just build a -- build a collector. You have
already got one big tenant, so you know this thing is going to work. I don't know. Just
build the collector all the way to the western boundary, you know what I mean?
Wolff: What if we bonded and said -- here is my concern and I have watched this all over
the country is you are going to end up with a drag strip right there. You are going to have
a building with a half a mile of straight, long road with nothing at the end of it and I just --
we are happy to be financially responsible for it if that's your concern. If your real concern
is we need to make sure it gets built, but to build a road to connect to nothing when there
is no development next door to it --
Strader: It sounds like it's pretty likely there will be, though, and everybody is really
worried about, you know, we have all been worried about this traffic, it's not a new issue.
Wolff: We can bond it.
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Strader: Well, you are going to bond it, but when is it going to get done? I think that's
really the bigger --
Wolff: And maybe it's six months of notice.
Simison: So, I just want to -- are there several more issues that we still need to go
through?
Strader: I think we are almost through.
Simison: Because I wanted -- we were going to take a break as soon as we were done.
I don't know if any other Council Members have any other questions for the applicant, but
maybe there is some of these you could talk about offline during a break. Council Woman
Strader, I don't know if there is anything else you need to put out there for them to
consider, then we take a break, discuss them, and we come back and hear from the
community, as well as the applicant.
Strader: Totally fair. Yeah. And I apologize for hogging the mic. It's been a pain. But
feel like this is the only way to figure this out, because we have all these detailed
conditions and it's hard to know what we are considering approving, because this is the
last one I have, Caleb, and you will tell me during the break if I'm missing something, is
you have now this three acre parcel that's not part of the development. I think there is a
real question about how is that going to access the arterial and -- and that stuff. So, think
about that -- maybe addressing that.
Nelson: I -- I can respond to that now. I'm sorry I failed to remember that comment during
my presentation. Yes, we will provide access to that property and make sure that they
have access through our site.
Strader: Where is that, Deb, in the findings?
Nelson: That's a new comment that --
Strader: Okay.
Nelson: -- you just heard from Caleb this evening and I meant to respond to it.
Strader: Okay. So that --
Nelson: So, yes, add that.
Strader: Okay. That needs to be added. Okay. I am so sorry, Mr. Mayor. I'm done with
whatever this was.
Simison: No reason to apologize.
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Nelson: Appreciate it.
Simison: Are there any -- does Council have any other questions for the applicant at this
time that they would like to inquire?
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: I do have questions about those categories that are set aside with the square
footage designations, but I can wait until after the break if need be.
Simison: Okay. Let's go ahead and take a 15 minute break and, hopefully, that will give
you time to work through some of these conversations and come back and potentially
have some more conversation. Okay. So, we will reconvene at 8:45 or in some people's
cases 10:45 if you are -- I don't know what time zone is, Luke. I think it's just one hour
difference, so -- okay.
Cavener: I'm still in Mountain Time, folks, so we are doing great.
Simison: Okay. Thanks, Councilman Cavener.
(Recess: 8:29 p.m. to 8:45 p.m.)
Simison: All right. Council, we will go ahead and come back. Thank you for that time.
Would the applicant like to come back up and make any comments to the items that were
discussed and there may be some additional questions from Council Woman Perreault
or others. I'm not going to let you off the hook that easy, so --
Nelson: Mr. Mayor, Council, thanks for the opportunity to go through the conditions in
detail. It's been a long project and we really appreciate that attention to detail to get it
right. So, on the questions that have been raised along the -- the north facade, we can
accept the 15 percent window frontage on average, the same as what we proposed for
the 1-84. On the -- the drain issue, you know, we would prefer not to build the fence, but
we are agreeable to that if that had to happen. Looking at the connectivity issue that was
discussed and talking with the traffic engineering and kind of thinking about how things
are actually going to flow, it actually doesn't seem very likely the property to our north is
going to need any connection to our property, because they, as we mentioned, have the
east-west collector going through from Black Cat to the north-south collector and all the
-- the traffic is going to go up to the north and out to the interstate and intersections
anyway. So, it seems more likely that they would be burdened by our traffic, as -- as
opposed to benefiting from it. So, we -- we just continue to ask that that connection not
be planned at this time. We don't know what that use is. We do have appropriate funnel
for our traffic to accommodate it and -- and they will also. On the extension of east-west
collector we can live with the three months, 90 days if you just want to be very precise,
and we just need to time it from the end of the availability of that connecting street. So,
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then, we can watch the permits and the construction and see the sewer getting extended.
We will have lots of notice to be able to do the work we need to do to be able to connect
to it. So, that gives you a specific trigger and a specific tight timeline. So, if we do 90
days within completion of that connecting street we can make that work and I think those
were the things we were huddling about.
Simison: Council, any questions or additional questions?
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: So, prior to the meeting I was reading through the -- your three categories to
define when all of these road improvements will be complete in relationship to staff's
comments in relationship to the ACHD letter from the middle of July and the ACHD letter
states on page two that the traffic impact study included two scenarios, one with the north-
south collector intersecting Franklin and one without and you are proposing that it does
not connect with Franklin at this time, that that's an off-site improvement. But the -- the
study shows without the construction of the collector roadway that this segment of Black
Cat Road is proposed to exceed ACHD's acceptable level of service planning thresholds
for a two and three lane minor arterial in the p.m. peak hours under the 2030 total traffic
conditions and, then, it talks about this segment is listed in ACHD's capital improvements
plan to be widened to five lanes between 2036 and 2040. Can you give some clarity to
us on whether that time frame is accurate? You are stating that you have picked up the
--that you have picked up the right of way to be able to make those improvements yourself
and that you are looking at creating a -- a contract agreement to complete those in
advance with ACHD. Is that what I'm understanding or am I confusing two totally separate
sections? I'm talking about the section between the collector and Franklin on Black Cat.
Nelson: Mayor, Council Member Perreault, I think I understand what you are saying. So,
what we are proposing is that -- and -- and it's consistent with the trigger that's in the TIS
and what's described here in ACHD's letter is that above 960,000 square feet of occupied
space within our development is when that triggers an impact on the level of service at
Black Cat when you don't have the north-south collector anymore. So, then, you are
triggered at that point and so we have accepted a cap on going above that level of
occupancy until Black Cat is widened. Then to help further that, because it's in our interest
now, too, because now we are capped at that amount and to further the road
improvements we have agreed and pursued some efforts to try to bring that forward and
so one of the things we have done is gone out and secured the right of way -- you probably
remember from prior hearings that's been the problem. You know, that's why we are
trying to look at other alternatives, because we could not get all the right of way and so
-- and that wasn't available. So, that's the big effort that's happened is to go secure all
that right of way. So, that really does enable that to happen sooner and ACHD has agreed
that they will buy that right of way and have set that process in motion. So, that is
progressing. As to the cooperative development agreement, if we can pursue that as a
further means of expediting that, then, the applicant has said that they will do that and --
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and ACHD has moved from, no, we won't to we will look at it at the time and see -- check
our resources. So, they became willing to consider it based on the availability of staff.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: But it's possible -- at this point their capital improvement plan still shows
between 2036 and 2040 and nothing official has happened to change that potential
timeline and so we could potentially be seeing a time lapse between these -- this first --
first 960,000 square feet and -- and when you start the second phase, that it could be a
significant amount of time in between those two if Black Cat doesn't get widened, because
either they won't agree to the cooperative development agreement or they choose to
delay it in their capital improvements plan. Is that what I'm understanding?
Nelson: Mayor, Council Member Perreault, that's correct. That's why we have taken that
cap onto ourselves. We don't believe that's the likely timeline now that the other roadways
have been expedited and based on discussions that we have had with ACHD where they
are going ahead and acquiring the right of way. But you are right and that's why we have
capped our development to not be able to proceed, rather than just saying -- it seems like
it's happening faster; right? So, we have just limited ourselves, but -- but we also do
believe -- and especially with acquiring the right of way -- that it is happening faster and
so that gives us comfort that we are not going to be capped at that, you know, for -- for
very long, if at all, if that made -- those road improvements we believe are just going to
happen in due course.
Simison: Okay. Council, additional questions for the applicant? Okay. Thank you very
much.
Nelson: Thank you.
Simison: Mr. Clerk?
Johnson: Mr. Mayor, we have one person signed in. Kayla Rich.
Simison: And if there is anybody online that would like to provide testimony, please, use
the raise your hand feature, so we will know to bring you in at the appropriate time. And
if you could state your name and address for the record.
Rich: My name is Kayla Rich and my address is 745 South Black Cat Road and, Mr.
Mayor and Council Members, I would benefit for this development to go through. I am a
property owner that is in the proposed area, but as a citizen of Meridian I think I'm one of,
what, fast approaching 150,000 citizens that would benefit from a development like this
as well. I want to commend the Mayor, the Council Members, and also the staff for being
so diligent in wielding the resources that are -- that are going away, which is land, and as
-- since we are being locked in by all the cities, to be able to take these resources and
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curate an area that's going to allow us to live, work and raise our families in the way that
this Council has foreseen, but also the previous councils as well. I don't think any citizen
having followed this development path would ever accuse any member of the city staff or
the Council or the Mayor of not doing their due diligence, making sure that developers
don't just plunder the spoils of the city's success, but to proportionately contribute to the
future success of our city and that's what I see from this development -- the applicant's
proposal. The applicant has done extensive efforts to mold a common vision for this
development based on the input from staff and Council Members. Reminds me a little bit
of the Incredible's Elastigirl Mom. I will do this over here and we will get this here and I
will get the fence and if you can just approve it we will get this done; right? But I'm
wondering how much more patience they have, because they have worked on changing
facades, making sure that they have given you a -- almost a choose your own adventure
style of where would you like us to improve the roads? We will give you the money.
Where would you like it? We will make sure that we can improve and make better this
area when we come in to develop here. One of the things that this applicant has done is
provide traffic that is going to be increased by their project, but they have also worked to
address what the Mayor has asked for, which is what about the other traffic that's just
going to be in that area. What are we going to do about the other traffic not necessarily
coming to your development? One of the things that we have all been facing is this
Highway 16 connection that's just been happening so quickly and everybody is trying to
catch up with the pace of growth that we have had, but it's being built and people are
coming. Whether or not this development gets approved we will see an increase in traffic,
but I think what's lovely about this with this phased development that the applicant has
proposed is it's -- it takes that chicken and the egg scenario and solves it by doing it in
phases and making sure that the development matches the -- the traffic and -- and
addresses it in the phase approach. I don't think most developers would put all their front
efforts and funding and say we will only do this much and wait for more. So, it's -- it's a
little amazing to me that the applicant's willing to do it. I know one of the concerns in the
past has been timing. I think that, again, if you build it they are going to come and, then,
one last thing in the Ten Mile Plan, I just wanted to remind that when the Ten Mile Plan
was written there is a -- there is a sentence in there that I think is really important to
remember, that the land use element has evolved as a continuum of land uses. This is
in page 3-15. That integrate and spill from one to another. Rather than delineating land
into zones by function, the lines in this land use -- use map are flexible. The line should
adjust and evolve to create a place that's truly an integrative whole, mixing uses both
vertically and horizontally and it continues on to say that the lines should be relatively
broad and the exact shape of the land use areas need to be more conceptual, that it's not
going to be literal to the plan. So, if you were asked by any citizen in our community you
can say that you were taking into consideration the Ten Mile Plan when you approved this
applicant's proposal for development and you were forward thinking for what our industry
is moving towards, which is a little bit more industrial and less with that employment space
and I just urge you to approve this plan, so they can move forward. A year is a long time.
I know they have put a lot of effort into it and I would like to see this Council join their
efforts. Thank you.
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Simison: Thank you. Council, any questions? Thank you. Is there -- having no one else
signed in, is there anybody else in the audience who would like to come up and provide
testimony on this item at this time? And no one online raised their hand, but we will ask
again if there is anybody online that would like to provide testimony on this item at this
time? And I will invite the applicant --
Bongiorno: Mr. Mayor, may I? I was waiting for the public to go first.
Simison: Deputy Chief.
Bongiorno: Thank you, Mr. Mayor and Council. Great -- great conversations tonight.
just want to make sure we dial this back down to the -- the bare bones. This -- this project
is in no man's land for us. We -- we can't get there in five minutes. We can't get there --
we can get there maybe seven minutes and that's the first do. So, I just want to make
sure -- basically from Zimmerman Lane out, which includes Compass School, we -- we
can't get there. We -- we can't, but it's time. So, if anything gets built we can get there,
but it's going to be how long and if we are talking two million square feet or a million and
a half square feet, as the risk reduction person for the city as the fire marshal, we are
generating this huge amount of risk by having square footage and people and no
resources available nearby to support the project. So, I just wanted to make sure that we
-- we bring it back down to the reality is we don't have a fire station out here. We are
currently trying to find land out in this area, but right now nothing is available and it -- it's
going to be a stretch for us to get out here, even with Station 8. Station 8 will be roughly
six minutes away. So, you will have 8 and 2 are going to be the closest. The truck
company is roughly about seven or eight minutes out, nine minutes out, and if you have
a 300,000 square foot building on fire with 400 people in it, that's going to take a lot of
resources. The next closest would be Nampa. Nampa is about eight minutes away. So,
I just want to make sure that we are all on the same page, that we can support it, you
know, like somebody just said, build it and they will come. Build it, we will come, but it's
just going to be a matter of what that response time is going to look like.
Simison: Thank you. Council, any questions?
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Thank you, chief. So, I assume that this would require the ladder truck
because of the height. So, is that just -- those distances and times you gave us with --
with the ladder truck or is that just the nearest station?
Bongiorno: Sorry. Mr. Mayor and Council Woman Perreault, the -- the six to seven
minutes, that's -- that's stations. I thought I had it up here real quick. Give me just a
second and I can tell you what roughly Station 1 is away. Because, yes, it will require a
ladder truck. There we go. So, currently -- again this is just using Google Maps. There
is nothing scientific to Google. That puts it roughly about seven minutes away and, then,
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if we do put the new ladder truck that we have on order -- if it gets placed at Station 6, it
will roughly be about the same amount of time, six to seven minutes away.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Curious if you have worked with the applicant in terms of mitigating factors. So,
I don't know if these are stick built or what the materials are, but they are industrial
buildings, I can't imagine that they are -- but are there things you recommend that people
do, like put in sprinklers or something for a building of this size?
Bongiorno: Oh, definitely. Sorry, Mr. Mayor, Council Member Strader, with something like
that, the -- the fire code and the building code are going to require sprinkler systems for
them. I'm not sure if they are doing tilt up. We never discussed what the buildings are
going to be made out of. But the fire code and the building code will dictate sprinkler
systems. I did put in there as a comment that they are most likely going to need fire
pumps, because of the size of the buildings that they are putting in, so, again, that's --
that's kind of down the lane when we get to the actual building. All that will be determined
by the fire code and the building code.
Simison: Council, any additional questions for the deputy chief? Okay. Then will the
applicant like to come up for any final comments and to close.
Nelson; Mayor, Members of the Council, so just a couple quick comments to respond to
to Joe there and -- and in particular to respond to your question, Council Member Strader.
Yes, we -- we did work with -- with Fire on this. Looking back to October 19th, 2021,
communication with Joe about this, saying that, yes, we -- this is from Joe. We can
support the project. We may have extended response times to get there at this time.
Station 6 on a good day is about six minutes away. So, that was discussed. We knew
that. Still got their support. We have got -- we do have sprinklers in the buildings and
they are concrete and I know from other residential projects I have worked on with -- with
Joe and his team, that, you know, when you are further out of that five minutes that's
when they start looking at those sprinklers. So, I think that is part of why everybody got
comfortable with it, is the building materials and they will be fully sprinkled and -- and and he did disclose that time frame. So, we are comfortable with that.
Borton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: I apologize. Just because it's the point you just made, is there a distinction in and I would like to -- I would like to ask deputy chief on the word support versus serve.
When you reference that we can support it, I think from your perspective are you meaning
we can serve it, because of course you can serve it.
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Bongiorno: We can serve it.
Borton: You will serve anything, though.
Bongiorno: Yeah. Mr. -- Mr. Mayor, Councilman Borton, when it comes down to it, I mean
we are -- we are one of those ones that if you build it we will be there.
Borton: Right.
Bongiorno: It's just for us is how long is it going to be there. I mean I -- I -- in my seven
years that I have been the fire marshal I have never -- I -- I think only once or twice I'm
like, man, we really can't support you with this project, because we can, but it -- for us it's
just what's the response time going to look like.
Borton: Right.
Bongiorno: And -- and this is totally -- we are -- we are in no man's land out here.
Borton: So, is there -- is there any distinction when using the word support versus serve
in this context? Like support -- like I want this project approved or we can serve it. We
can accomplish our task?
Bongiorno: We can -- we can serve it.
Borton: Okay.
Bongiorno: I mean, honestly, we need a -- we need another fire station out there to
support the growth that's -- to serve -- however you want to say it -- what's going on out
in this area. Because this is going to be the next hot bed as -- as that development is
coming from Eagle Road going this direction, we have been actively looking for land out
here, because we know Laren has a project that he wants to build. The Eggers' property
has been brought forth for development and -- and I told them -- I'm like we -- we really
can't get there. I mean you can build it, but if Council approves it we don't know how long
it's going to take us to get there, because they are all the way up against the freeway. So,
for us, you know, there is no freeway access. We have to go all the way around to get to
it. So, that's -- that's the big problem with -- with Black Cat.
Borton: And -- Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: That's how I read your language. The -- the Iawyerly of it was that you meant
you could serve it, which is different to me than we can support it.
Bongiorno: And I -- Mr. Mayor and Councilman Borton, I will agree with you. Yeah.
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Simison: And maybe just to put a finer point on this conversation, chief, what percentage
of our calls are for fires?
Bongiorno: Oh. Well, lately it's been kind of high.
Simison: I know. I think --
Bongiorno: Yeah. No. We are eight to ten percent roughly. Maybe a little higher.
Simison: Ninety percent likelihood that your response will be for a healthcare related
incident at this facility more so than a fire related incident.
Bongiorno: Or depending on the -- the type of building it could be some type of an
industrial something or other. I mean because if you look at Fiberon where they are 14,
15 times a -- a year and a lot of those are fires. But it -- I don't know what they are putting
in there, so I can't really go, yeah, we will never be there, but --
Simison: So, the five minute response time with fire and healthcare just -- okay. All right.
Borton: Sorry.
Nelson: No problem. And, Mayor, to that end we can also install defibrillators and that
kind of, you know, on-site remedy as well as is appropriate in a workplace. So, I -- I think
we have -- we have tried to address all your questions. They have been good ones.
Thank you for getting into the details. We really appreciate the direction of the last
meeting to propose the conditions of approval, so that we can go through this exercise.
So thank you. And we -- we feel that we have tried to work through all of your questions
and concerns about the --the main points, so that we can bring you this two million square
feet of needed industrial and ask for your support of the project with the conditions that
have been proposed and modified this evening.
Simison: Thank you. Council, additional questions for the applicant? Comments? Or
have a seat and we will see if there is further dialogue.
Borton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: Question back to Caleb. If the sequence -- if I understand it correct -- that these
conditions of approval we have been talking about, they are conditions that were initially
crafted -- drafted by the applicant to us proactively, trying to get the dialogue going, which
I appreciate. We responded that April 3rd -- or August 3rd memorandum. Is that the --
the totality of the exchange, other than tonight on the conditions? And I mean it's -- it's
difficult to go in this sequence, but -- and -- and if so, in light of this conversation, your
input is very important and -- and do you think that each of these conditions has been
discussed and vetted or are there more things that you think, Council, you need to
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consider-- when I look at these proposed conditions, I -- I recommend you look at seven,
eight, 12 and -- and 14.
Hood: So, Mr. Mayor, Councilman Borton, it's-- it's a good question and a bit unfair, quite
frankly, because Alan was the planner, so to say it was -- is comprehensive, there has
been other conversations that I haven't been a part of.
Borton: I know.
Hood: But that said, you know, I -- I'm pretty confident in what you had before you with
the commentary, with the discussion tonight and some of the notes that aren't, you know,
in the record, that a lot of them are -- a lot of the issues are at least raised. But with that
said, just as an example, we didn't quite get there before the break -- 1.2 talks about the
R-15 zone property and this isn't a huge issue necessarily, but I just want to bring it to
your attention, that there are two pretty basic provisions in the development agreement
that just say the house needs to hook up at 350 South Black Cat within 60 calendar days.
Pretty standard. And, then, it talks about, you know, use -- consistent with the uses and
dimensional standards in the R-15 zone. I can't remember the last time that Council
approved an annexation without a conceptual redevelopment plan for a property. R-15,
C-C, C-G, anything, I just don't recall it. Again we are only talking about one acre, not --
not a huge deal, but kind of to your question, staff originally analyzed this and said, boy,
at a high level we don't think this is in the city's best interest, so stop short of, then, adding
some other conditions that talk about, hey, any new construction on that site modify the
DAfirst and bring a concept back, because the way it's worded right now, they could build
some duplexes out there and we couldn't say yea, nay, or indifferent, it's just building
permits and off you go. Have four access points to the arterial, because we don't have
any code that applies. So, just as an example, that -- that parcel -- and it's not -- 130
acres is the big deal. It's just one acre. But just as an example, there are some things
that haven't been fully vetted. I'm not trying to delay it. Don't get me wrong and I'm -- I'm
prepared right now. I mean just even with that we could add what I just said, say, hey,
that property, enjoy what you have now, but if you want to do anything else you got to
come back and modify your development agreement with the new concept plan. You are
not entitled to develop with R-15 uses and daycare centers, townhouses, duplexes are
not approved by right with this annexation, because you haven't submitted a concept plan.
So, again, you had multiple questions kind of in there. I'm pretty comfortable with where
the discussion -- and I think we have vetted a lot of these -- these concerns out. I would
-- back to one of your last comments. I would like to -- and I appreciate Ms. Nelson, you
know, kind of running through those, where they are at and -- and back to you. Just so
I'm clear and if recommendation -- or the -- the motion is to approve tonight, make sure
we get it right for the -- the findings and the conditions, I would like to read back to you
what I heard and understand and that way there isn't, you know, too many iterations of
this and I -- I don't think it will take as much time as it did earlier, butjust some clarifications
on the 8/16 memo if-- if and when that's where you guys are at and want to do. I do have
some just -- want to make sure I heard everything correctly and we document it as such.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
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Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: I'm not intending to interrupt Caleb. I have a question before he goes through
that process. So, wouldn't it -- considering that you didn't draft these conditions, the
applicant did, which is kind of unique, would it not make sense for you to -- for staff to
have more time to really go through that in detail and bring us back potential conditions
that add anything that may have been missed? I mean you have commented on the
conditions that the applicant created, but you didn't set any of your own and -- and
wouldn't it be better for us to just not -- at this point I -- I would like to further explore staff's
request to change how these categories are set up and not do it by square footage, but,
rather, do it by design review and time frames or CZC time frames and have the applicant
go through that with staff and figure out that process versus the square footage before
we even talk about the details of the DA provisions that they proposed.
Hood: So, Mr. Mayor, Council Woman Perreault, I -- I -- and, again, I'm -- I'm not Alan
and wasn't privy to potential conversations he had, but I have been enough involved with
this where I do know there were some back and forth and the conditions you see now
aren't what they looked like back in April. So, we have had some things -- hey, can you
address this in your proposed conditions? Can you -- and, in fact, we note that in a couple
of these. Hey, this was added at the request of staff. And so we have had that. I haven't
personally done that, but 1, with some confidence, believe that Alan has. So, I don't know
that continuing it so we can make sure that all the conditions are addressed -- I think we
are down to somewhat wordsmithing. I think most of the issues are on the table and I
don't know that a delay to make sure that every single T and I are caught -- again, I
somewhat trust that Alan did most of that exercise over the last few months. So, again,
this isn't -- even the 8/16 version that you have tonight, there was three or four versions
of this before and they have added some things at our request and say, hey, can you
address this, can you address that. Is it worded how we would prefer it? No. But at least
it's addressed to some degree.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: I guess the general -- just general question for Caleb and maybe for Bill.
Wouldn't it make sense to -- we will decide where this goes or whether it's a general
approval or a denial, just like with any project. We would list the additional conditions
generally and, then, I think we would have to see revised findings that would reflect that.
Like I don't think we would be approving the exact findings tonight. That feels a little
clunky. I think we have -- if we got there, if we get to an approval, I think we would have
an idea. But I just saw Bill nod, so is that what you would recommend?
Nary: Mayor, Members of the Council, Council Woman Strader, that's normally been our
course. When we have had a situation where the staff has recommended denial, P&Z's
recommended denial -- I think Caleb's right, I don't know that the level of detail of -- of --
needs to go back to like square one. I think they have probably got this to a point that it
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is going to be crafting what the actual final findings look like, having the applicant review
them and make sure they are in line with what their recollection and what their notes
reflect and so -- but the staff is -- like Caleb said writing it and wordsmithing it the way that
fits our template, our type, so that we are comfortable with it. Like Caleb said, a lot of it
is going to be making sure we put in either triggers or some way to put some checkmarks
in as to when things can happen and what is the consequence. I mean one question I
wasn't clear on was on that -- and -- and maybe we have cleared it up now. We talked
about the road and when the road would have to get extended and we discussed 60 days,
six months, 90 days, whatever the number ends up being and, then, what? If they don't
then what? I mean that's kind of what I think Planning gets sort of tasked with at the end.
Okay. This says you have to have the road completed in 90 days or 180 days. Okay. On
day 181 , then, what? What do we do? Are we holding up other -- is there other permits?
Is that what's anticipated? So, I think there is a little bit of that stuff that Planning usually
nuances before you get the final one. So, that's what I would suggest. And, again,
obviously, Planning is going to craft this, so what Caleb's direction is is probably the most
critical. But that has been our norm is that.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: I'm happy to kick off some discussion if we think it's time for some discussion.
Maybe we will keep the public hearing open in case we have a question. Long process
for you guys and for us. It's been a long process. This is a big development, important
part of our city. I'm glad that that process has happened and I know the continuances
have been hard, but I think it has really improved what would happen here. You know,
I'm strongly in support of this one. I don't think it's without its issues, but to me this is
really like the future of where the economy is going and a great use in Meridian for
generating jobs. The truth is, you know, offices are -- there is a lot of vacancy in the office
product right now, but I don't just think that's for now. This working from home thing is not
going to go away. COVID is not going to go away. I think having this type of industrial
use that can benefit from the trends around manufacturing and the internet and all those
things is a good thing. They have made a lot of changes. I appreciate that. Especially
acquiring all the right of way along Black Cat. I thought that was a significant change on
their part. I appreciate that it's phased. You know, as they expand they are going to
comprehensively ensure that the road network gets updated. Understood -- and
understanding there is no one forcing ACHD to do it. No one can guarantee that. But it's
certainly in their best interest, I think, if all this right of way is acquired and they seem
more open in their letter to working with them on a development agreement, so, you know,
with some conditions -- a lot of conditions I think along the lines of what we talked about,
I'm supportive of this one. I think it's in our best interest.
Borton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
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Borton: I think -- I tend to agree. I really do. I think the timing has always been a
challenge. Clearly the applicant's aware of that. I think the pros of what this brings and
the improvements up to today outweigh the difficulties that we have with the -- its location
and the -- and the sequence of its onboarding into the city. For me procedurally what I
thought of as we went through this process and -- and heard these remarks and
discussion is if a project-- if this project were to go forward that, you know, a public hearing
would be closed and we wouldn't necessarily have to take action on it, but, you know, with
the direction of staff, with this discussion to provide the complete conditions of approval
as amended tonight, up to and including your recommendation with regards to the R-15
lot, and have the complete amended conditions of approval available for an official vote,
if there is a general direction that the Council would be supportive of it, based upon what
we heard tonight. To do that really right now might be difficult and we hate to create and
approve specific language in that manner, but maybe if -- if you were to get a consensus
from Council to go that route, at least you would be able to -- to craft that language for an
official action. I -- I don't feel totally comfortable making a vote on it without seeing the
exact wording of those conditions, because this one's a little funky in the order, but I -- but
I am certainly supportive of what I have heard and what this project brings to Meridian.
So, those are my two cents of how to act on it and how we could proceed.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: I'm still a bit unclear on the purpose of just doing an annexation without, as
Caleb mentioned, a DA and a concept plan. What -- what does that benefit the applicant
to just be annexed and -- and, you know, not have those other elements? It is really
unusual. At least I have probably only seen two or three applications that -- just for
annexation that don't have anything else tied to it. So, I'm -- I'm just trying to really wrap
my head around what the benefit would be to annex it -- what the benefit would be to the
city to annex it with -- without any other guidelines included.
Hood: So, Mr. Mayor, Council Woman Perreault, I don't know if there is a huge benefit to
the city to annex the one acre. However, it has to be part of the annexation, because
that's the path of contiguity if you want to annex the 130 acres, because that's, again, the
point of connection. So, if the concept plan is no concept plan and their plan isn't to plan,
that's okay, too. I think we just need to document that in here to say you have got a single
family home on there. Continue to have a single family home. R-15 -- you can have a
single family home in the city in R-15, hook it up, you are good to go. If you want to do
anything else, though, you got to come back, because you are not entitled to do anymore
than that and that's just what isn't clear right now. So, your question about, you know, is
there a huge public benefit or -- not -- not really. But it needs to be part of the application
in your action or else the 130 acres is ineligible, so --
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
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Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor, I appreciate the dialogue we have had and -- and the attempt to
make changes and -- and trying to meet the situation that exists out there. Expansion of
roads, dealing with the traffic, things that others have commented on at past hearings and
-- and it-- it has come a long ways. One of the things -- you know, we talk about adhering
to our Comprehensive Plan or the Ten Mile Plan and that's always a good thing, but we
-- we are always also looking at what has changed that makes it so we can do different
things or it's -- it's okay to do something different and -- and to me the game changer is
the extension of Highway 16 that connects to the freeway. When --when you look at that
-- that design, it -- it's going to be different than say Ten Mile or Eagle Road and having
those types of retail and service type things that are along those corridors. You have
right-in, right-out. Access is real close. You notice those long on ramp -- on ramps, off
ramps and everything is going to take place there at -- at that intersection at Franklin and,
then, those services are going to spread out. To me it's -- it's more akin of what we are
seeing at -- where the Amazon facility is at -- at Robinson Road and Franklin Road. It's
-- it's going to be at a different type of thing and to me this -- this facility -- the I-L zoning
is -- is appropriate for here. It -- it makes it work. There are challenges. You know, we
need that north connector to Franklin Road, but it's on property they don't control, but that
can come in time when that property goes to develop, we can have those connections
made. They handle what they could handle and that is the right of way on -- on Black Cat
Road. I -- I -- I think it will fit our Ten Mile Plan. It is some use that we envision as part of
that. It is -- I think Council Woman Strader is -- is correct in her -- her assessment that
this is what is needed and what is moving to in many ways. The-- Deputy Chief Bongiorno
does give me pause. It is a seven minute time to -- to response time, but at the same
time I know we have done some other things in other areas where the -- the times are
stretched a little bit, knowing that we will have to build a fire station in north Meridian. We
will have to build a fire station in south Meridian and now those are happening. We do
have to build a fire station here in this western -- if you want to say -- yeah, I will just call
it western Meridian. That -- that will serve -- serve that area and -- and that work is
beginning. We are searching for -- for land and Mark's out there, so we will put a bug in
Mark's ear. So, to me I think with the -- the changes that Council Woman Strader has --
has doggedly pursued and made sure we have-- have in -- in this DA, I think Caleb makes
some very good points about the property that -- for the R-15, some of those changes
need to be made and I -- I think if we can do it -- a question for -- for Mr. Nary -- Mr. Nary
after my comment and that is, you know, if -- if we just want to have the DA coming back
to us for final review, can we -- do we need to vote on annexation tonight and, then, do
that or if we reschedule -- if we have another hearing, even if it's next week, does it have
to be re-noticed.
Nary: So, Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council -- and, again, I would say I want Caleb to
weigh in. I think if you want draft findings and a draft development agreement, I would
think your earliest time to be able to see that would be September 6th, which I think might
already be a little full. I would suggest if that's what your intent is -- you continue it so that
you have an opportunity to comment -- not necessarily for public comment, but for you to
make sure the findings of the DA, that Planning is comfortable with what it is, all of you
are comfortable. I did hear a little bit of concern about wanting to really see the language.
So, you are not really necessarily going to vote on -- on approving it tonight, you are going
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to vote -- you are going to direct the staff to prepare findings with the desire to approve
this project, with the conditions that have been discussed with the specific notes that have
come up tonight, like, for example, the additional information that Ms. Nelson provided
about providing access to that small out-parcel that's adjacent to Franklin Road, that that
would be included. I -- I think that would -- that's what I would envision and I don't know
if Caleb has a different thought on that, since Planning is the one that has to craft this, but
I think -- I don't -- I think one week is a little tight, because, really, the deadline for one
week is tomorrow morning.
Hood: Yeah.
Nary: So, really -- and we don't have a meeting in two weeks. So, it really would be 9/6.
But I think Mr. Johnson had told me earlier that we also have a pretty full night. But I think
at that one we are really reviewing the findings in the DA. I don't think we are talking
about a lengthy hearing.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Strader.
Strader: Yeah. I mean wouldn't we normally be -- help me out, because I don't
understand how this is different. Like for -- for most projects wouldn't we normally be
approving it in general subject to reviewing the findings, because, then, we would put
those on a consent agenda. I guess I'm just wondering why -- if it's really important that
we not vote on it tonight or we -- or if we can vote on we desire to approve the project and
directing staff to prepare these findings and the DA with these conditions -- and we can
list them if we -- I have them if we need. I'm just trying to understand how it's different.
That's all.
Nary: I guess, Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, Council Woman Strader, I think the
only thing that's different is I wasn't -- I wasn't sure without any specific language, other
than what's been crafted by the applicant and what's been commented on in a memo,
that all of you were comfortable -- at least four of you are comfortable enough to send --
to approve the project subject to just the findings, bringing them back on a future Consent
Agenda, which might be on the 6th or might be on the 13th, depending on if there is
language that needs to be wordsmith out a little bit more. But if that's the desire you
certainly can approve it. I guess what I was hearing from a couple of you was I'm not
ready yet. I want to see the language, I want to -- I want to know what the specific wording
is, not the converse, not just based on the conversation, but actually read it. So, it really
is your-- your decision. If you are comfortable enough to make a decision based on what
you have and that's the direction you want to give us and we will craft the findings subject
to the agreement between both parties, that's certainly within your authority. So, it's up
to you.
Borton: Mr. Mayor?
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Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: I had raised that sort of sideways process, only because the manner in which we
got here is a little sideways and it didn't originate with language crafted by our staff and if
this project, you know, has the head nods and direction to go forward from Council, which
I don't -- we have got to hear from three more, so hear from three more and see if this
thing goes that route. But if-- if it did have that approval, even the general head nod and
direction, I think that's what the applicant is comfortable with. If it takes two weeks to craft
the language and bring it all back -- or three, that's not the concern. I think the concern
from the applicant's perspective of get the direction that we are all on board with this and
let's just make it right. I -- a matter of a week at this last stage to ensure the language is
right, we -- we talked about it. I don't have a record of it. I didn't take notes specific
enough to make sure something is not missed. That was the only reason to not be in a
rush, if there is direction, but we will see what the other Council Members say and it
might --
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: Thanks, Council Member Borton. I think you are kind of tracking right where I
am at and, you know, my biggest concern about this project has always been -- I think as
with most of Council has been the roadway network and making sure that both existing
residents, future residents, as well as the users are going to be able to access these roads
efficiently. I want to commend the applicant for -- for their work and their effort to make
that happen. I was meeting with some folks a couple weeks ago and they were going on
that I think the City Council sometimes continues too many of these meetings and the
result of those really speaks for themselves. It's a better project for our community. It's
a better project for the applicant. It's a win across the board. I -- I'm supportive
conceptually of what we have been discussing tonight. I would like to see the -- the
findings come back from staff. I think it also gives the applicant an opportunity to review
and make sure what they thought was going to be covered was covered. What we as
Council think is going to be covered before we make a decision here in -- in two or three
weeks and, then, Mr. Mayor, if I can real quick, you know, we are a team and we don't --
we don't pass out game balls and I know that we -- we may not take some action, but if
we did have a game ball, boy, I sure think it goes to Council Member Strader tonight. I
just wanted to thank you for -- being -- maybe this is a good decision for Council to put
me in a -- in another state, so I'm relatively quiet through the meetings, so I just want to
thank Council Member Strader for her very thorough review and questions and -- and the
applicant and staff for working through that all.
Simison: Council, any other comments from anybody? Just for -- you know, I -- I have
met with the applicant like many of you before they did and I have never been a proponent
of this project. I'm still not. I know it doesn't matter. I know the votes were here last time.
I knew they were going to be here this time. But I do think that we are stretching our
services and our growth area for this community further than where we are. We are,
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essentially, asking ACHD to now re-divert their funding to other roadways in this area
when we have other road areas of our community that we have somewhat identified as a
priority, potentially along Ustick take it out to the high school out there. I'm just concerned
about extending our services, fire, roads into this area. The job information is much better.
I mean I'm -- I'm -- I'm pleased to hear about the -- the -- the job numbers. I'm excited to
hear who it is and expect to see that press release as soon as this is announced about
who is -- who is staying in our community or who is staying in the valley and coming to
this location. But, you know, in my opinion on behalf of this city staff, who voted -- who
recommended denial, your emergency services, who have concerns and, quite frankly, a
road network-- I was hoping the applicant was going to come back and build all the roads
and that ACHD wasn't going to be the one that was going to be funding it, because I do
think that this -- if they want these time frames to be upheld it is going to impact other
roadway priorities in our community, but I think that most people would say is a need right
now, whether it's Black Cat, Ustick, McMillan, Linder Road overpass, these projects are
going to compete with those dollars for those projects. But as I stated, I -- I have heard
-- I have heard your comments and I could have just stayed quiet, but I felt it's important
for me to put that information from my standpoint out there, that I think it's going to be a
challenge for our community to continue to -- really you are opening up a new sector of
our community that we have been trying to hold back a little bit and it's going to be harder
for the next one to come in to continue to hold that line, which we -- we have that request
all the way up and down Black Cat to the west. You are kind of jumping over a little bit.
Not far, but it -- it's -- it's enough to make the conversation different as we move forward
up in this area of our community, so -- but it has been a process and I appreciate the work
that everyone did and -- and go from there. So, thank you for allowing me to say a few
words.
Borton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: With that discussion the public hearing is still open and the consensus chatter
has been some direction to staff that we are on board with the project, we talked about
perhaps three weeks, but if the applicant wants to -- I don't want to make you head nod,
but if you want to come up and -- if you think that's an awful idea, that's a great idea, or
there is some issue that we haven't contemplated. Maybe there is -- you bet.
Nelson: Thank you for your patience. We -- we are just looking to get to the finish line
as -- as quickly as possible, so we would ask -- there has, as Caleb noted, been a lot of
back and forth and so -- and I think the notes were pretty clear. I think several of us were
taking pretty good notes about what the -- the discussion was tonight. So, we would ask
for a condensed time frame. This is not to go draft all the conditions. So, as -- as short
as possible. You know, also we -- you know, we lean towards the approach that -- that
Strader outlined -- Council Member Strader to have the -- the vote as you normally
proceed and come back with the findings to have that presented then. That would get us
even closer to the finish line to handle that at findings. But at a minimum we would just
ask for the shortest time frame possible. Thank you for letting us weigh in on that.
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Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Simison: I'm willing to give it a try. We could see. And if I miss stuff you interject, help
me out. I think -- yeah. Thanks, Councilman Cavener, that was very sweet. Yeah. Can
I -- can I -- question though. Can I make a motion without -- can I leave the public hearing
open or do I have to close it?
Simison: You must close the public hearing.
Strader: And we would have to reopen it if we go back. All right. Well, I move that we
close the public hearing.
Borton: I will second.
Simison: Motion and second to close the public hearing. All in favor signify by saying
aye. Opposed nay? The ayes have it and the public hearing is closed.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: After considering all staff, applicant, and public testimony, I move to approve File
No. H-2021-0064 as presented in today's hearing date with the following modifications:
We direct staff to draft appropriate DA provisions and findings for final approval as per
normal course of business, going off of the August 16th memo, but with any additional
changes that are needed to be made by staff and with the following modifications: Under
Condition 1-1.1A we will remove the word primary in reference to self-storage facility,
reflecting that self storage will not be a permitted use on the property. In addition, we will
note that vehicle impound sales and repair will not be a primary use on the property and
that any use of vehicle impound sales and repair would be conditioned upon keeping the
inventory of vehicles inside of the building. Under Condition 1-1.1B we would note after
applications, including our architectural design review process. Under Condition 1-1.1C1
we will add the building facades fronting on and adjacent to Black Cat Road, Interstate I-
84, and north facing facades facing Franklin Road will all be considered frontage for the
purpose of applying the development guidelines. Further down under Condition 1-1 .12G,
just to reflect the discussion. We will allow the Rosenlof Drain to be left open. Under
Condition H-2, the east-west collector must be extended to the western boundary. We
will add the language to reflect that it can -- that it must be done within 90 days from the
end of the available connecting street on the western boundary. To clarify, meaning that
the extension of the east-west collector must be accelerated to be faster than the
applicant building to 960,000 square feet. If the stub street has been completed on the
western boundary it must be completed within 90 days of that taking place. I will leave it
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in the staff's discretion whether to specify the ramifications of not doing that in time --
would include building permits being withheld in the future and whether they want to
include bonding as a condition. Under 1.2A I want to add a provision that building
anything in the R-15 zoned property beyond the existing use would require a DA
modification and a conceptual development plan. Okay. And, then, finally, a couple more
new provisions need to be added specifying that the three acre parcel needs access to
the arterial and that the applicant needs to work with the Fire Department to take any
measures necessary under our normal course of business to mitigate the risk of a fire or
an EMS event at the facility and noting that the building material must be primarily made
of concrete, as the applicant has stated, and have sprinklers. I think I got it. I'm looking
around.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Do I have a second for discussion?
Hoaglun: Yes, I will second.
Simison: I have a second. Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Yeah. I just -- on the access for -- for the -- the home at 350, to the collector.
Not -- not -- not the arterial, because Black Cat would be the arterial. So, it's collector;
correct?
Strader: Thank you, Councilman Hoaglun. Yes. That's correct. I will make that change
to my motion.
Simison: Second agrees?
Hoaglun: Second agrees.
Simison: Discussion on the motion?
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Kudos to Council Woman Strader. That was pretty darn accurate. I -- so, I
just want to be clear in all of my questions this evening. I -- I don't -- I'm not opposed to
this project and its purpose and its use. I'm happy to have members of our community
that want to bring something like this forward. But I just still have too many questions to
feel comfortable voting yes on the annexation. So, I won't be supporting it, but I -- I don't
want there to be a misunderstanding that I'm not supporting any application at all, it's just
I don't -- I'm not supportive of this particular motion at this time for the annexation before
we vote that the -- that I just have too many questions that I need answered before I can
say yes on the annexation.
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Simison: Is there further discussion on the motion?
Borton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: You might have -- it might have been mentioned, but the motion includes the
catch all, you know, any and all other remarks from the applicant and staff that were
discussed, but might not have been specifically addressed in the motion itself?
Strader: Mr. Mayor, absolutely. If I did not -- I thought I stated that, but if I did not I
absolutely intended to.
Borton: Okay.
Hoaglun: Second agrees.
Simison: Second agrees.
Hood: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Mr. Hood.
Hood: I -- I agree. I think the motion was -- tracked with my notes very well and I'm not
trying to belabor this, but I do want to bring up one concept that's a little bit different than
what we have talked about tonight. Like the old adage, I think a picture is worth a
thousand words and I would like your general blessing -- I don't think we have to open up
the public hearing again, but if they have some concerns with this that's fine, but I think
on a couple of these items -- like, for example, on B, Council Woman Strader, your motion
mentioned to include the DES process. I think if we can just attach to the development
agreement, the submitted renderings, and things like that that will help. So, just as an
example -- and if you say don't do that I'm -- I'm open to that, too, but I -- I would like to
include the roadway phasing exhibit that we saw tonight in the development agreement
and I think that will really help on page two, because there is a lot of square footage
things, but to have the picture to go with the words I think will help and there may be --
need be some slight tweaks that match the words based on what was said with the 90
days and all that, but I think it will be clear, then, for future when someone reads this --
well, what are you talking about? And same with, you know, the concept plan. So, putting
the concept plan in there, so it's -- it's referenced, but it's an exhibit. So, I just wanted to
generally get head nods. I saw some over here, but I think there will be some
wordsmithing -- and I don't want to take too many liberties in that. I appreciated at the
beginning of the motion you added that, but I just wanted to make sure that's not a big
deal for anybody and it doesn't seem like it is. The other thing I want to just give you a
heads up, then, that I will likely include, as I talked to the applicant about modifying the
exhibit that shows the phasing for the roadway exhibits -- and, again, I'm not trying to
belabor this too much, but we do run into issues sometimes with the building official and
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occupancy. I'm not worried about the first one. That makes sense. Prior to first
occupancy we -- we have a hammer there. Sometimes, though, the developer is out of
the picture when you get down the line to phases two, three and four and you made
reference to withholding building permits potentially. I'm much more comfortable with
withholding building permits than occupancy, because sometimes you get a developer
and they sell a lot to somebody who is building the building and we hold up the building
occupancy for something the developer is on the hook to do. So, building occupancy isn't
always the best hammer, because we hold someone's feet to the fire that wasn't initially
on the hook to perform. So, just -- I will talk with legal a little bit about that, but we have
had issue after issue with withholding occupancy and if we can make that more we will
withhold building permits we are not so far down the line and someone is just chomping
at the bit to get in their building and yet we say, oh, you are missing a tree over here.
Well, it's not my responsibility. That was the developer that was suppose to put the tree
in. So, again, I'm --just don't be surprised --
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Hood: -- and we may need to talk about that and pull it off the Consent Agenda potentially
if the applicant doesn't agree to some of that and we will talk about it, but --
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Hood: Yeah.
Strader: I believe my motion specified building permits, but I'm happy to clarify that that
could be -- I actually gave Planning some pretty wide berth to add whatever conditions
are necessary and encourage them to do that.
Nary: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Mr. Nary.
Nary: Yeah. I just-- Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, Council Member Strader, I heard
building permits as well, so I -- I think we are okay, but I -- I think what -- Caleb is right is
that, you know, we want to make sure we are real specific, so we will -- we will have that
conversation with the applicant. The only other thing I was going to suggest -- and this is
mostly, again, I think kind of the warning that Caleb has had, that we are not talking about
the current planning staff today, we are talking about a future planner five years from now.
I know Ms. Nelson said that, you know, again, part of their construction is these buildings
are predominantly concrete. I don't want someone to have to figure out how much is
predominantly concrete. I looked at the renderings and I think that's what we normally do
is attach renderings. I would imagine these buildings appear to be -- in the pictures to be
concrete, glass and steel. So, I would assume that's the general material that these
buildings are made out of that are consistent with the drawing. So, I would suggest
instead of just identifying concrete, it say concrete, glass and steel and, then, consistent
with the -- with the renderings that are submitted. So, then, a planner doesn't have to go
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figure out does this have too much concrete, not enough steel, too much steel, not enough
concrete -- I don't think we are going to care. I think --
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Nary: -- we need to say what does it look like.
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Great suggestion. So moved.
Hoaglun: Second agrees.
Strader: In addition --
Simison: Second agrees.
Strader: -- I would like to also add to my motion that planning staff may add as an exhibit
any renderings, roadway phasing exhibits, concept plans, any slide of any presentation
or attachment on the public record that will further clarify the findings and DA provisions.
Hoaglun: Second agrees.
Simison: Second agrees. Is there further discussion on the motion? Then Clerk will call
the roll.
Roll call: Borton, yea; Cavener, yea; Bernt, yea; Perreault, nay; Hoaglun, yea; Strader,
yea.
Simison: Five ayes. One no. And the motion is agreed to.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE NAY.
FUTURE MEETING TOPICS
Simison: Thank you all for your time, energy, and diligence on this item and with that we
already did Item 5, so are there any future meeting topics or do I have a motion to adjourn?
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor, I move we adjourn our meeting.
Simison: Motion to adjourn. All in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay? The ayes
have it. We are adjourned.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 9.52 P.M.
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ITEM TOPIC: Public Hearing for Ordinance 22-1988: An Ordinance Amending Meridian
City Code Section 1-7-1(c) Concerning City Council Seats; Amending Meridian City Code Section
1-7-1(e) Concerning Staggered Terms; Amending Meridian City Code Section 17 11(b)
Concerning Duties and Powers of the Meridian Districting Committee; Adding Meridian City Code
Section 1-7-11(i) Concerning Modifications to City Council Seat Numbers; Voiding Conflicting
Ordinances and Resolutions; and Providing an Effective Date
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CITY OF MERIDIAN ORDINANCE NO. 22-1988
BY THE CITY COUNCIL: BERNT,BORTON, CAVENER,
HOAGLUN, PERREAULT, STRADER
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING MERIDIAN CITY CODE SECTION 1-7-1(C)
CONCERNING CITY COUNCIL SEATS; AMENDING MERIDIAN CITY CODE
SECTION 1-7-1(E) CONCERNING STAGGERED TERMS; AMENDING MERIDIAN
CITY CODE SECTION 1-7-11(B) CONCERNING DUTIES AND POWERS OF THE
MERIDIAN DISTRICTING COMMITTEE; ADDING MERIDIAN CITY CODE
SECTION 1-7-11(I) CONCERNING MODIFICATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL SEAT
NUMBERS; VOIDING CONFLICTING ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS; AND
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
WHEREAS,the City Council of the City of Meridian adopted the Meridian Districting
Plan, which created six(6) City Council districts and assigned a City Council seat to each
district; and
WHEREAS,pursuant to Idaho Code section 50-707A and Meridian City Code,
beginning with the 2023 general City election, no candidate, including an incumbent candidate,
may run for election or re-election to a City Council seat in a City Council district in which the
candidate is not a resident; and,
WHEREAS, it is consistent with the intent of the Legislature and Idaho Code section 50-
707A to fully implement the Meridian Districting Plan as soon as practicable; and,
WHEREAS, it is possible to fully implement the Meridian Districting Plan after the
2023 general City election by redesignating City Council seats 1 and 2 as City Council seats 2
and 1, respectively; and,
WHEREAS, if City Council seats I and 2 are not redesignated as City Council seats 2
and 1, respectively, the Meridian Districting Plan will not be fully implemented until after the
2025 general City election; and,
WHEREAS, the redesignation of City Council seats pursuant to this ordinance will not
result in any substantive changes because the City Council members holding the redesignated
City Council seats will serve the same four-year terms to which they were elected;
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT ORDAINED BY THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL OF
THE CITY OF MERIDIAN, IDAHO:
Section 1. Meridian City Code section 1-7-1(C) shall be amended to read as follows:
C. City Council seats *�. There shall be six(6) City Council seats on the Meridian City
Council, which shall be numbered pursuant to Idaho Code section 50-707. Each City Council
seat number shall be identical to the City Council seat number assigned as of August 22, 2022,
ORDINANCE CONCERNING CITY COUNCIL SEATS,TERMS,AND DISTRICTING PAGE I
except that City Council seats 1 and 2, as they existed prior to August 22, 2022, shall be
redesignated as City Council seats 2 and 1, respectively. The, rae,.;d;.,,, PjS4;^*;r r0mMjtt00
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each City Council seat shall correspond to the numbered City Council districts.
Section 2. Meridian City Code section 1-7-1(E) shall be amended to read as follows:
E. Staggered terms. At each election, three (3) City Council seats shall be open for election,
alternating between City Council seats 2, 3, and 5 and City Council seats 1, 4, and 6i" Add
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1.Election in 2023. In the 2023 general city election, the first election after the establishment
of City Council districts in the City of Meridian, no candidate, including an incumbent
candidate, may run for election or re-election to a City Council seat in a City Council district
in which the candidate is not a resident. Incumbent City Council members who are serving in
City Council seats 2-�, 3, and 5, a sue-h seats w@r-@ 4@signatea prior-to th@ a eN* 4G4y
rA-4—In.;I -so *'s to r;t,raufl i distr-ets, and who are running for re-election in 2023, must be
residents of the respective City Council districts in which they are running. In order to
preserve staggered terms, City Council members serving in City Council seats 1-2, 4, and 67
�t shall serve the remainder of their terms in those seats, during which time they shall
represent the City Council districts corresponding to their City Council seat numbers,
regardless of whether they are residents of the City Council district to which their seat
corresponds.
2. Elections in 2025 and thereafter. In the 2025 general city election and in each election
thereafter, no candidate, including an incumbent candidate, may run for election or re-
election to a City Council seat in a City Council district in which the candidate is not a
resident.
Section 3. Meridian City Code section 1-7-11(B) shall be amended to read as follows:
B.Duties and powers. The Meridian Districting Committee shall be charged with, and
authorized to:
1. Evaluate and apply federal decennial census data regarding the City of Meridian in order
to establish six (6) City Council districts pursuant to the provisions of I.C. 50-707A; Title 1,
Chapter 7, Meridian City Code; and all other applicable provisions of local, state, and federal
law.
2. Assign City Council seats, numbering 1 through 6, to the corresponding numbered City
Council districts,pursuant to this Chaptelib @ p;:@N,i s i @ f I.r--5��� d T 4_1 @ 1�pwrT
ORDINANCE CONCERNING CITY COUNCIL SEATS,TERMS,AND DISTRICTING PAGE 2
3. Act independently to make decisions regarding designating and numbering-City Council
districts a„'' City C^tlNeil seat,,,,.,,bo,.s, without regard for the residency of elected officials
or candidates running for municipal office of the City of Meridian.
4. Consult resources and experts in demographics and population distribution, including,
without limitation, the Community Planning Association of Southwest Idaho, the United
States Census Bureau, and their delegees and staff, as needed or desired.
5. Consult resources and experts in districting and apportionment, including, without
limitation, the Idaho Secretary of State, the Idaho Commission for Reapportionment, the Ada
County Clerk, and the delegees and staff thereof, as needed or desired.
6. Consult City of Meridian Geographic Information System and Planning staff for
information and assistance with establishment of City Council districts and the preparation of
maps.
7. Consult the City Attorney or designee regarding compliance with applicable Idaho Code
and Meridian City Code provisions.
Section 4. A new section shall be added, Meridian City Code section 1-7-11(1), to read
as follows:
I. City Council may, pursuant to Idaho Code section 50-707, modify City Council seat numbers
after the Meridian Districting Plan has been adopted; so long as such modifications are approved
by ordinance at least one hundred thi , -five (135) days prior to the date of the next general city
election.
Section 5. That all ordinances, resolutions, orders, or parts thereof in conflict with this
ordinance are hereby voided.
Section 6. That this ordinance shall be effective immediately upon its passage and
publication.
PASSED by the City Council of the City of Meridian, Idaho, this 16th day of August,
2022.
APPROVED by the Mayor of the City of Meridian, Idaho, this 16th day of August,
2022.
APPROVED: ATTEST:
Robert E. Simison, Mayor Chris Johnson, City Clerk
ORDINANCE CONCERNING CITY COUNCIL SEATS,TERMS,AND DISTRICTING PAGE 3
STATEMENT OF MERIDIAN CITY ATTORNEY AS TO
ADEQUACY OF SUMMARY OF ORDINANCE NO. 22-1989
The undersigned, William L.M. Nary, City Attorney of the City of Meridian, Idaho, hereby
certifies that he is the legal advisor of the City and has reviewed a copy of the attached
Ordinance No. 22-1989 of the City of Meridian, Idaho, and has found the same to be true and
complete and provides adequate notice to the public pursuant to Idaho Code § 50-901A(3).
DATED this th day of August, 2022.
William L.M. Nary, City Attorney
NOTICE AND PUBLISHED SUMMARY
OF ORDINANCE PURSUANT TO I.C. § 50-901(A)
CITY OF MERIDIAN ORDINANCE NO. 22-1989
An ordinance amending Meridian City Code section 9-1-16 concerning connection to city water
system outside city limits; amending Meridian City Code section 9-4-26 concerning connection to
city sewer system outside city limits;voiding conflicting ordinances and resolutions;and providing
an effective date.
ORDINANCE CONCERNING WATER AND SEWER SERVICE OUTSIDE CITY LIMITS PAGE 6
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Request to Include Topic on the City Council Agenda
From: Brad Purser, Finance Meeting Date: August, 16 2022
Presenter: Brad Purser Estimated Time: 5 Min
Topic: Approval of Proposed FY2023 Budget
Recommended Council Action:
Seeking final approval of the Proposed FY2023 Budget
Background:
Seeking approval of the proposed FY2023 budget.
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08/07/2022
SHARON JESSEN
STATE OF IDAHO
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AGENDA ITEM
ITEM TOPIC: PRESENTATIONS
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FY2023 Proposed Budget www.meridiancity.org August 16, 2022August 16, 2022 Public HearingFY2023 Proposed Budget Public Hearing
Agenda www.meridiancity.org Approve FY2023 Proposed BudgetQuestions / Discussions / Action ItemsEnterprise FundsCapital Improvement FundGovernmental Funds$219,724,039-FY2023 Proposed
Budget FY2023 Budget Process Overview
www.meridiancity.orgOctoberOctoberSeptemberSeptemberAugustAugustJulyJulyJuneJuneMay-Feb May-Feb FY2023 Budget Process Overview
www.meridiancity.org Total City Budget $219,724,039
www.meridiancity.org Revenue by Source $86,919,571 FY2023 Governmental Funds
www.meridiancity.org Total Operating Cost $118,608,560 FY2023 Governmental Funds
www.meridiancity.org Total Operating Cost $14,349,315 FY2023 Capital Improvement Fund
www.meridiancity.org Revenue by Source $49,709,009 FY2023 Enterprise Fund Revenue
www.meridiancity.org Total Operating Cost $86,766,163 FY2023 Enterprise Fund
www.meridiancity.org make the budget official.Legal will present an Ordinance for approval in the next few weeks to Next Steps:$0years.FY2022 Budget in order to utilize that amount
in subsequent Council elects to reserve all foregone revenue associated to the $219,724,039OrdinanceCouncil to establish the budget amount for FY2023 Budget FY2023 Budget Council
Approval
www.meridiancity.org Mayor, City Council Members, Department Directors and Staff Thank you!
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Planning and Zoning Presentations and outline
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Changes to Agenda : None
Item #3 : Julie Rivers Office Condominiums (SHP-2022-0009 )
Application (s ) : Short Plat
Size of property, existing zoning , and location : This site consists of approximately 4 acres of land , zoned C-C , located at the
northeast corner of N . Linder Road and W . Ustick Road .
History : Development Agreement Modification ( 1-1-2021 -0016) ; A-2021 -0106 & A-2021 -0133 -0138 ( CZCs for each building ) .
Comprehensive Plan FLUM Designation : MU - C
Summary of Request : Short Plat request to condominiumize eight (8) office buildings for ownership purposes , Each building contains
four (4) tenant suites so the condo plat aims to create 32 office condo units .
Staff has reviewed the proposed short plat and deems the short plat to be in compliance with the criteria set forth in UDC 11 -613-5A . 2 .
Staff Recommendation : Approval
Notes :
Possible Motions .
Approval
After considering all staff, applicant and public testimony , I move to approve File Number SHP-2022-0009 , as presented in the
staff report for the hearing date of August 16 , 2022 : (Add any proposed modifications to conditions)
Denial
After considering all staff, applicant and public testimony, I move to deny File Number SHP-2022-0009 , as presented during the
hearing on August 16 , 2022 , for the following reasons : (You should state specific reasons for denial)
Continuance
I move to continue File Number SHP-2022-0009 to the hearing date of for the following reason (s) : (You should
state specific reason (s) for continuance.)
Item #4 : Black Cat Industrial ( H -2021 -0064)
Application (s ) : Annexation
Size of property , existing zoning , and location : The proposed annexation area consists of approximately 127 acres of land , zoned
RUT in Ada County located on the west and east sides of S . Black Cat Rd . between 1 .84 and W . Franklin Rd .
Comprehensive Plan FLUM Designation : MHDR; LDE & ME
Summary of Request : The annexation request originally included approximately 130 acres of land with the I - L zoning district to allow
an industrial development of more than 2 million square feet, and to annex a 1 -acre property with the R- 15 zoning district to achieve
contiguity to be eligible for annexation , The annexation boundary has been reduced by approximately 3 . 6 acres due to one of the
owners rescinding their permission to annex . Should the annexation request be approved , this will result in a 3-acre County enclave
surrounded by industrial development in the near future . The potential fire station site has also been removed from the conceptual site
plan .
The project was continued from March 15t and April 26th , largely to allow the applicant more time to address traffic and infrastructure
improvements and craft DA provisions , The applicant has prepared draft DA provisions to be included in a development agreement if
the subject annexation is approved by Council . Since the last continuance Staff has met with the applicant and prepared a memo that
provides commentary regarding the draft DA provisions . Because Staff and the P &Z Commission recommended denial , DA provisions
and findings for approval have not been prepared for this project by City Staff.
ACHD provided a clarification on the Franklin Road improvements between Black Cat and McDermott, stating in an email that the FY
2023 draft budget does include design dollars to widen the roadway and improve the Franklin/McDermott intersection . However,
funding for design of these improvements are not guaranteed until the ACHD Commission officially adopts the budget — scheduled for
August 24th . Construction of these improvements would likely be 2025/26 or later.
Staff and Commission Recommendation : Denial
Written Testimony : No new testimony since the last hearing on April 26 , 2022
Notes .
Possible Motions :
Approval
After considering all staff, applicant and public testimony , I move to approve File Number H -2021 -0064 , as presented in the staff
report for the hearing date of August 16 , 2022 : (Add any proposed modifications to conditions)
Denial
After considering all staff, applicant and public testimony , I move to deny File Number H -2021 -0064 , as presented during the
hearing on August 16 , 2022 , for the following reasons : (You should state specific reasons for denial)
Continuance
I move to continue File Number H - 2021 -0064 to the hearing date of for the following reason ( s) : (You should state
specific reason (s) for continuance.)
City Council Meeting August 16, 2022
Item #3: Julie Rivers Office Condos ZONING MAP SHP–
Short Plat
Approved Landscape Plan
Approved Building Rendering
Item #4: Black Cat Industrial Annexation
Property removed Current Concept Plan from the AZ boundary
Phased Road Improvements Based on Square Footage Threshold
W IDIAN�
AGENDA ITEM
ITEM TOPIC: Public Hearing for Julie Rivers Office Condominiums (SHP-2022-0009) by Julie
Rivers Development, Located at NE Corner of W. Ustick Rd. and N. Linder Rd.
Application Materials: https://bit.ly/H-2022-0009SHP
A. Request: Short Plat to condominiumize eight (8) office buildings for ownership purposes.
PUBLIC HEARING SIGN IN SHEET
DATE : August 16 , 2022 ITEM # ON AGENDA : 3
PROJECT NAME : Julie Rivers Office Condominiums ( SHP - 2022 - 0009 )
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HEARING 8/16/2022 Legend
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1. PROJECT DESCRIPTION
Short Plat request to condominiumize eight(8)office buildings for ownership purposes,by Julie
Rivers Development.
II. APPLICANT INFORMATION
A. Applicant:
Justin Waters,Julie Rivers Development— 1716 N. Stagno Bello Place,Eagle,ID 83616
B. Owner:
MRS Landholdings,LLC— 1716 N. Stagno Bello Place, Eagle, ID 83616
C. Representative:
Same as Applicant
III. NOTICING
City Council
Posting Date
Legal notice published in
newspaper
7/31/2022
Radius notice mailed to property
owners within 500 feet 7/28/2022
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Posted to Next Door 7/29/2022
IV. STAFF ANALYSIS
The proposed short plat depicts subdivision of air space within eight(8) separate office buildings that
are currently under construction and located on the same property at the northeast corner of the
Linder and Ustick intersection. The proposed short plat aims to create 32 separate office
condominium units for fixture ownership purposes—each building contains four(4)tenant suites so 8
times 4 gets us to the 32 office condo units.
According to the Applicant, all of the previously approved project elements are remaining with no
anticipated changes; none are proposed with this application. The subject site obtained CZC and DES
approval for each building in 2021 (Sawtooth Landing CZC Building,A-2021-0106 &A-2021-0133-
0138)with all associated building permits being approved and most buildings currently under
construction. In addition,the property received Development Agreement Modification approval in
2021 to update the concept plan(H-2021-0016); the subject application is in compliance with these
previous approvals.
Staff has reviewed the proposed short plat for substantial compliance with the criteria set forth in
UDC 11-6B-5A.2 and deems the short plat to be in compliance with said requirements.
V. DECISION
Staff:
Staff recommends approval of the proposed short plat with the conditions noted in Section V11 of this
report and in accord with the findings in Section VIII.
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VI. EXHIBITS
A. Short Plat(date: June 9,2022)
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VII. CITY/AGENCY COMMENTS & CONDITIONS
A. Planning Division
Site Specific Conditions:
1. Applicant shall comply with all previous conditions of approval associated with this
development: H-2021-0016 (MDA);A-2021-0106 (CZC for building 4 and overall site); A-
2021-0133 —0138 (CZC for buildings 1-3 and 5-8).
2. If the City Engineer's signature on this plat has not been obtained within two (2)years of the
City Council's approval of the short plat,the short plat shall become null and void unless a
time extension is obtained,per UDC 11-6B-7.
3. Prior to submittal for the City Engineer's signature, obtain the signatures of the Ada County
Highway District and the Central District Health Department.
4. The short plat prepared by Idaho Survey Group,LLC,prepared on June 9,2022 by Cody
McCammon, included in Section VI.A shall be revised as follows:
a. Note#8: Include recorded instrument number.
5. Staff s failure to cite specific ordinance provisions or conditions from the previous approvals
noted above does not relieve the Applicant of responsibility for compliance.
B. Public Works
Site Specific Conditions:
1. Condominium Declaration for condo owners must state the following:
a. Association.Julie Rivers Office Condominiums at Sawtooth Landing Association,Inc., an
Idaho non-profit corporation organized pursuant to the Idaho Nonprofit Corporation Act,its
successors and assigns, of which all Owners shall be members,which corporation shall be
the governing and administrative body for all Owners for the protection,preservation,
upkeep,maintenance,repair,operation and replacement of the common elements, and the
government,operation and administration of the Condominium and the Condominium
hereby established.
b. Limited Common Elements. The Limited Common Elements,being those Common
Elements which are hereby designated as reserved for the use by specified Owners to the
exclusion of others, consist of the following(if any):
air handlers,pipes, ducts, electrical wiring, communication equipment, conduits, chutes,
flues, ducts,wires,plumbing fixtures,bearing walls,bearing columns or other fixtures are
partially within and/or partially outside the designated boundaries of a Unit,that portion
serving only that Unit is a Limited Common Element;however,that portion serving more
than one Unit or the Common Elements is a part of the General Common Elements
c. Utilities. Each Owner shall bear the cost of any utility service for his or her Unit which is
individually metered and billed directly by the utility company furnishing such service to
such Owner. Except to the extent such costs are borne by each Owner as set forth in the
preceding sentences,the cost of water, electricity,gas,trash removal and any other utility
service shall be a Common Expense. With the exception of common ownership with other
Owners,no Owner shall be deemed to own the utilities which run through his or her Unit
and serve one or more other Units.
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General Conditions:
1. Sanitary sewer service to this development is available via extension of existing mains adjacent to
the development. The applicant shall install mains to and through this subdivision; applicant shall
coordinate main size and routing with the Public Works Department, and execute standard forms
of easements for any mains that are required to provide service. Minimum cover over sewer mains
is three feet, if cover from top of pipe to sub-grade is less than three feet than alternate materials
shall be used in conformance of City of Meridian Public Works Departments Standard
Specifications.
2. Water service to this site is available via extension of existing mains adjacent to the development.
The applicant shall be responsible to install water mains to and through this development,
coordinate main size and routing with Public Works.
3. All improvements related to public life, safety and health shall be completed prior to occupancy of
the structures. Where approved by the City Engineer, an owner may post a performance surety for
such improvements in order to obtain City Engineer signature on the final plat as set forth in UDC
11-5C-3B.
4. Upon installation of the landscaping and prior to inspection by Planning Department staff, the
applicant shall provide a written certificate of completion as set forth in UDC 11-3B-14A.
5. A letter of credit or cash surety in the amount of 110%will be required for all incomplete fencing,
landscaping, amenities,pressurized irrigation,prior to signature on the final plat.
6. The City of Meridian requires that the owner post with the City a performance surety in the amount
of 125% of the total construction cost for all incomplete sewer, water infrastructure prior to final
plat signature. This surety will be verified by a line item cost estimate provided by the owner to the
City. The applicant shall be required to enter into a Development Surety Agreement with the City
of Meridian. The surety can be posted in the form of an irrevocable letter of credit,cash deposit or
bond. Applicant must file an application for surety, which can be found on the Community
Development Department website. Please contact Land Development Service for more
information at 887-2211.
7. The City of Meridian requires that the owner post to the City a warranty surety in the amount of
20% of the total construction cost for all completed sewer, and water infrastructure for a duration
of two years.This surety amount will be verified by a line item final cost invoicing provided by the
owner to the City. The surety can be posted in the form of an irrevocable letter of credit, cash
deposit or bond. Applicant must file an application for surety, which can be found on the
Community Development Department website. Please contact Land Development Service for
more information at 887-2211.
8. In the event that an applicant and/or owner cannot complete non-life, non-safety and non-health
improvements,prior to City Engineer signature on the final plat and/or prior to occupancy,a surety
agreement may be approved as set forth in UDC 11-5C-3C.
9. It shall be the responsibility of the applicant to ensure that all development features comply with
the Americans with Disabilities Act and the Fair Housing Act.
10. Applicant shall be responsible for application and compliance with any Section 404 Permitting that
may be required by the Army Corps of Engineers.
11. Developer shall coordinate mailbox locations with the Meridian Post Office.
12. All grading of the site shall be performed in conformance with MCC 11-14B.
13. Compaction test results shall be submitted to the Meridian Building Department for all building
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pads receiving engineered backfill,where footing would sit atop fill material.
14. The engineer shall be required to certify that the street centerline elevations are set a minimum of
3-feet above the highest established peak groundwater elevation. This is to ensure that the bottom
elevation of the crawl spaces of homes is at least 1-foot above.
15. The applicants design engineer shall be responsible for inspection of all irrigation and/or drainage
facility within this project that do not fall under the jurisdiction of an irrigation district or ACHD.
The design engineer shall provide certification that the facilities have been installed in accordance
with the approved design plans.This certification will be required before a certificate of occupancy
is issued for any structures within the project.
16. At the completion of the project, the applicant shall be responsible to submit record drawings per
the City of Meridian AutoCAD standards. These record drawings must be received and approved
prior to the issuance of a certification of occupancy for any structures within the project.
17. Street light plan requirements are listed in section 6-7 of the Improvement Standards for Street
Lighting (http://www.meridiancity.org/public_works.aspx?id=272). All street lights shall be
installed at developer's expense. Final design shall be submitted as part of the development plan
set for approval, which must include the location of any existing street lights. The contractor's
work and materials shall conform to the ISPWC and the City of Meridian Supplemental
Specifications to the ISPWC. Contact the City of Meridian Transportation and Utility Coordinator
at 898-5500 for information on the locations of existing street lighting.
18. The applicant shall provide easement(s)for all public water/sewer mains outside of public right of
way (include all water services and hydrants). The easement widths shall be 20-feet wide for a
single utility,or 30-feet wide for two. The easements shall not be dedicated via the plat,but rather
dedicated outside the plat process using the City of Meridian's standard forms. The easement shall
be graphically depicted on the plat for reference purposes. Submit an executed easement (on the
form available from Public Works),a legal description prepared by an Idaho Licensed Professional
Land Surveyor,which must include the area of the easement(marked EXHIBIT A)and an 81/2"x
11" map with bearings and distances (marked EXHIBIT B) for review. Both exhibits must be
sealed, signed and dated by a Professional Land Surveyor. DO NOT RECORD. Add a note to the
plat referencing this document. All easements must be submitted,reviewed,and approved prior to
signature of the final plat by the City Engineer.
19. Applicant shall be responsible for application and compliance with and NPDES permitting that
may be required by the Environmental Protection Agency.
20. Any wells that will not continue to be used must be properly abandoned according to Idaho Well
Construction Standards Rules administered by the Idaho Department of Water Resources. The
Developer's Engineer shall provide a statement addressing whether there are any existing wells in
the development, and if so, how they will continue to be used, or provide record of their
abandonment.
21. Any existing septic systems within this project shall be removed from service per City Ordinance
Section 9-1-4 and 9 4 8. Contact the Central District Health Department for abandonment
procedures and inspections.
22. The City of Meridian requires that pressurized irrigation systems be supplied by a year-round
source of water(MCC 9-1-28.C.1). The applicant should be required to use any existing surface or
well water for the primary source. If a surface or well source is not available, a single-point
connection to the culinary water system shall be required. If a single-point connection is utilized,
the developer will be responsible for the payment of assessments for the common areas prior to
development plan approval.
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23. All irrigation ditches, canals, laterals, or drains, exclusive of natural waterways, intersecting,
crossing or laying adjacent and contiguous to the area being subdivided shall be addressed per
UDC 11-3A-6. In performing such work,the applicant shall comply with Idaho Code 42-1207
and any other applicable law or regulation.
VIII. REQUIRED FINDINGS FROM THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE
In consideration of a short plat,the decision-making body shall make the following findings:
A. The plat is in conformance with the Comprehensive Plan and is consistent with the
Unified Development Code;
The Comprehensive Plan designates the future land use of this property as Mixed-Use
Community and the current zoning district of the site is C-C. Staff finds the proposed short plat
complies with the Comprehensive Plan and is being developed in accord with UDC standards
for the existing zoning district.
B. Public services are available or can be made available and are adequate to accommodate
the proposed development;
Staff finds that public services will be provided to this property and are adequate to serve the
building sites currently under construction.
C. The plat is in conformance with scheduled public improvements in accord with the City's
capital improvements program;
Staff finds that the development will not require the expenditure of capital improvement funds.
All required utilities were provided with the development of the property at the developer's
expense.
D. There is public financial capability of supporting services for the proposed development;
Staff finds that the development will not require major expenditures for providing supporting
services as services are already being provided to the immediate area.
E. The development will not be detrimental to the public health, safety or general welfare;
and
Staff finds the proposed short plat to condominiumize the existing or approved structures will
not be detrimental to the public health, safety or general welfare.
F. The development preserves significant natural,scenic or historic features.
Staff is not aware of any significant natural, scenic or historic features associated with short
platting the structure on this site.
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ITEM TOPIC: Public Hearing continued from April 26, 2022 for Black Cat Industrial Project
(H-2021-0064) by Will Goede of Sawtooth Development Group, LLC, Located at 350, 745, and
955 S. Black Cat Rd. and Parcel S1216131860
Application Materials: https://bit.ly/H-2021-0064
A. Request: Annexation of 126.57 acres of land with R-15 and I-L zoning districts.
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DATE : August 16 , 2022 ITEM # ON AGENDA : 4
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MEMORANDUM
TO: Mayor and City Council
FROM: Alan Tiefenbach, Associate Planner
Caleb Hood, Planning Division Manager
RE: Black Cat Industrial Development-H-2021-0064
On April 261h, 2022 the City Council continued this case to August 16th so the applicant
could further address traffic and infrastructure improvements and to propose conditions
of approval for the development.
Since the last Council meeting, the development area has been reduced. This is due to the
property owner of 935 S. Black Cat Rd. declining to extend their contract with the
applicant. This has reduced the property by approximately 3.62 acres. Also, the applicant
has removed the fire station site originally proposed at the northeast corner, due to the
City not allowing land dedication to count toward impact fee reductions. (The Fire
Department would still like to acquire some land in this general vicinity for a future
station.)
Proposed conditions of approval and findings created by the applicant are linked as
attachments in this memorandum. Planning Staff offers comments below (in italics) on
the proposed Planning Conditions of Approval. Land Development has also responded
that they have no opposition to the Public Works Conditions of Approval proposed. Staff
previously drafted findings recommending denial with the original staff report dated
December 21, 2021.
Planning Staff Comments on Conditions of Approval as Proposed by Applicant:
A Development Agreement(DA) for the I-L Zoned property is required, which shall at a
minimum, incorporate the following provisions:
1. The property zoned I-L shall be used consistent with the uses and dimensional
standards allowed in the I-L zone, which include light manufacturing, research and
development, warehousing and distributing. Self-service storage facility will not be a
primary use on the property.
The Ten Mile Interchange Area Specific Plan (TMISAP) designates this property for
Mixed Employment. The applicant proposes I-L zoning for the property which is
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generally consistent with the TMISAP designation. However, the applicant has
submitted a conceptual site plan that proposes primarily warehouse/storage uses that
are generally inconsistent with the mixed employment future land use designation and
the integrated planned transportation network typologies. The TMISAP envisions
"...a mixture of office, research and specialized employment areas, light industrial
including manufacturing and assembly, and other miscellaneous uses...Mixed
Employment areas should be designed to encourage multimodal travel and
convenient circulation to supporting uses located within the area. " (pg. 3-11).
The applicant has submitted a concept plan that can be included with the
development agreement. This concept plan does limit the types of uses that can occur
in this development. However, there are still uses that could occur within the
development based on the concept plan and I-L zoning that would not be totally
consistent with the TMISAP vision. These uses include warehousing as a primary use,
a freight terminal, equipment rental, sales and service, and vehicle impound, sales
and repair. The applicant's proposed written restrictions do prohibit self-storage as a
primary use, as noted in the first provision above.
2. Development of the subject property shall be generally consistent with the final site
plan and conceptual building elevations submitted with the applications.
Buildings A-H are consistent with the I-L zoning, however as noted above
warehousing and distribution are not expressly supported by the TMISAP. Buildings
KI-K6 are oriented toward S. Black Cat Rd and are limited to 17,000 sq.ft. The use,
size and orientation of these buildings would be more consistent with the TMISAP.
Staff believes all future buildings should be subject to the architectural design review
process (see below prevision and analysis).
3. Development in the I-L Zone shall be generally consistent with the development
guidelines contained in the Ten Mile Interchange Specific Area Plan (TMISAP) for
Mixed Employment (ME) designated areas, with the following clarifications and
exceptions:
a. Only building facades fronting on and adjacent to Black Cat Road, Interstate-84,
and the east to west collector road running through the middle of the site shall be
considered frontage for the purpose of applying the TMISAP development
guidelines. The TMISAP development guidelines shall not apply to any other
building facades.
The Architectural Standards Manual (ASM)generally requires compliance for all
buildings which face public roadways, that are visible from residential
neighborhoods or public spaces, or facing the public entry of an adjacent
building. Under the Applicant's proposal, there would not be architectural
requirements for any of the buildings facing the adjacent property to the north
(presently in unincorporated Ada County and designated for Mixed Employment
development in the future) and as viewed from the future collector along the
western property line. The mixed employment designation is intended to support a
mixed office, manufacturing and R&D type environment, and industrial buildings
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not meeting desired standards may negatively impact future potential on adjacent
properties to develop with the desired, higher intensity employment uses and
family-wage jobs planned for the area and needed in the City. Staff recommends
full compliance with the TMISAP development guidelines (see below provisions
for further analysis).
b. Notwithstanding any provision in the TMISAP development guidelines, building
fagades fronting on and adjacent to the east to west collector road running through
the middle of the site shall have an average of 15% of the linear dimension of the
street level frontage in windows or doorways.
The TMISAP requires a minimum of 20%of first floor elevations to be windows
(fenestration) or doorways. The ASM requires fenestration at 30%. As stated by
the applicant in their original narrative, the nature of these industrial buildings
prevents compliance with the minimum requirements. Staff disagrees with this
assertion however, as other warehousing and industrial buildings in prominent
corridors and near more sensitive non-industrial uses have met alternative
compliance for fenestration. An example would be the Scentsy warehouses on
Pine Ave.
c. Parking is allowed along building frontages, provided that the maximum length of
parking along a building frontage does not exceed 30% of the linear dimension of
total frontage of all planned buildings combined.
The Structure and Site Design Standards of UDC 11-3A-19 prohibit more than
50%of parking to be between buildings and the street. The TMISAP states no
more than 30%of the parking should be along the front; it does not indicate
whether this frontage is based on individual buildings, the entire frontage or an
average of all the buildings combined.
The intent of limiting parking building frontages is to create a more pedestrian-
friendly experience, reduce the dominance of the automobile and reduce "seas of
parking"along roadways. Staff notes the concept plan appears to show parking
along the majority of the building frontages on the southern side of the east-west
collector, with no parking along the northern side of the east-west collector. This
would result auto-dominated development that is not consistent with the TMISAP
for this area.
4. When required to be constructed, the east to west collector shall be constructed in
conformity with the street section design attached as Exhibit A.
The applicant is proposing to phase-in construction of the east-west collector. The
proposed industrial collector includes 12 ft. wide travel lanes, 8 ft. wide landscape
strips and]Oft wide sidewalks. The applicant's original narrative states the purpose
of this template is to 'provide easy freight access to the project. "Freight movement
was not the principal concern or use for this collector, as envisioned with the
TMISAP. The proposed collector cross-section differs from the Street Section C
template in the TMISAP. Please refer to the analysis regarding access in the original
staff report dated December 21, 2021 for additional details. Further, staff questions if
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phasing-in the construction of this collector is in the best interest of the community. It
may be several months, or even years, before the collector is constructed to the
adjacent properties that will rely on it for access to Black Cat and be required to
extend it to McDermott and Franklin Roads.
5. Development in the I-L Zone shall be generally consistent with the Meridian
Architectural Standards Manual, with the following exceptions:
a. Requirements shown on Building Scale, Building Form, Architectural
Elements, and Materials Standards Tables apply to building facades along
Black Cat Road, I-84, and the east to west collector running through the
middle of the site. They do not apply to other building facades.
See staff's comments in Section 3 above.
b. Loading Docks will be allowed to face the north to south collector on the
western boundary of the site.
The TMISAP states service entries and loading docks should be located on
secondary and tertiary (local)streets and screened from public view.
6. Certificate of Zoning Compliance and Design Review applications cannot be
submitted until after ACHD accepts the Traffic Impact Study.
The applicant added this requirement at the request of City staff.
7. The applicant shall submit a Certificate of Zoning Compliance and Design Review
application to the Planning Division for approval of all future uses on the site to
ensure compliance with the Unified Development Code, Comprehensive Plan,
Architectural Standards Manual, prior to issuance of building permits for any
structure(s) within this site.
A Certificate of Zoning Compliance and Design Review is already required for any
new structures on the property. This condition is unnecessary.
8. The Rosenlof Drain shall be left open and may not be piped.
Portions of the Rosenlof Drain lie on the northern boundary of this site. UDC 11-3A-
6 requires all irrigation ditches, laterals, sloughs or canals, intersecting, crossing or
lying within the area being developed, shall be piped, or otherwise covered. The
applicant requests to leave the drain open, a waiver must be approved by Council.
9. The total square footage of approved building occupancy on the site shall be
dependent on substantial completion,by owner/developer or any agency or third-
party, of the following roadway improvements:
a. Greater than 0 SF: Prior to any occupancy being permitted on the site: (i)the
east to west collector must be constructed from Black Cat west into the site
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approximately 1,500 feet; (ii) frontage improvements on Black Cat from the
east to west collector to Franklin must be complete; and(iii)turn lanes at the
intersection of Black Cat and the east to west collector must be completed as
recommended by ACHD. Completion of the above improvements permit
occupancy for up to 960,000 SF.
b. Greater than 960,000 SF: To exceed 960,000 SF of occupied space on the site:
(i) Black Cat must be widened to five lanes between the east to west collector
and Franklin; (ii) the intersection of Black Cat and Franklin must be improved
as recommended by ACHD; and(iii)the east to west collector must be
extended to the western boundary of the site. Completion of the above
improvements permit occupancy for up to 1,500,000 SF.
c. Greater than 1,500,000 SF: To exceed 1,500,000 SF of occupied space on the
site Franklin must be widened to five lanes between Black Cat and State
Highway 16 and a traffic signal must be constructed at the intersection of
Black Cat and the east to west collector, when a signal warrant analysis shows
it is required.
Staff has received an updated letter from ACHD dated July 12, 2022. The
letter states the development is estimated to generate approximately 4,700
daily trips with 886 of these trips in the PMpeak hour. The letter makes the
following findings:
1. The segment of S. Black Cat Rd from W. Franklin Rd to the property will
likely exceed satisfactory LOS at full buildout. The north-south collector
along the western property line will reduce these issues, but the applicant
has been unable to get cross access from the property owner to the north
between the subject property and W. Franklin Rd.
2. ACHD has noted there is presently not enough right-of-way to widen S.
Black Cat Rd to S lanes, although the applicant has indicated they are in
the process of acquiring property. ACHD has responded they are not
guaranteeing a cooperative development agreement at this time.
3. The intersection of S. Black Cat Rd. /W. Franklin Rd is projected to
exceed ACHD's acceptable LOS. Although there is presently not enough
right-of-way for improvements, this intersection is in ACHDs Integrated
Five Year Work Plan (IFYWP) to be widened between 2026 and 2030.
4. W. Franklin Rd. west of S. Black Cat Rd is projected to exceed ACHD's
acceptable LOS, however it is in the IFYWP to be widened between 2026
and 2030.
S. The intersection of W. Franklin Rd and N. McDermott Rd is projected to
exceed ACHD's acceptable LOS. It is shown to be improved as a
roundabout, but design and construction year has not been determined.
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6. ACHD would limit the number of trips on the east-west collector to S.
Black Cat Rd. until there were alternate public access. ACHD notes the
traffic study recommends signalizing this intersection.
The applicant has submitted an exhibit (see the Development Square Footage Exhibit
linked below) demonstrating the phasing of road improvements based on square
footages.
Staff believes it is more appropriate to tie these roadway improvement provisions to
CZC/DES issuance instead of occupancy square footage. Many times, when a
building is done prior to other required improvements, there is a lot of pressure
placed on City Staff(the Building Official) to issue a CO even though the required
site improvements are not complete. If required prior to CZC/DES issuance, the
building occupant and the developer (when they are different entities) coordinate
compliance instead of lobbying the City to issue CO when the improvements are not
complete. As mentioned above, Staff is also concerned about the east-west collector
not being complete and "Stubbed" to the property to the west. This is a large 103-
acre parcel with significant development potential in the near future. Finally, the
applicant does not address when the north-south collector on the west property line
would be required/constructed. This planned north-south collector is right in the
middle of the section and key to a interconnected roadway network.
10. In the I-L Zone, ACHD required frontage improvements, landscape buffer and
pathway shall be constructed along S. Black Cat Rd.
Applicant has added this provision as requested by City staff. The applicant should
note what would be the trigger for these improvements, such as prior to the first
building permit
11. A Development Agreement(DA) for the R-15 Zoned property is required, which
shall at a minimum, incorporate the following provisions:
a. The property zoned R-15 shall be used consistent with the uses and
dimensional standards allowed in the R-15 zone.
b. The existing home located at 350 S Black Cat shall hook up to City water and
sewer services within 60 calendar days of such services becoming available in
accord with MCC 9-1-4 and 9-4-8. At such time, all septic and wells shall be
abandoned.
Staff notes the applicant is not proposing any details regarding when a landscape
buffer or pathway segment would be constructed along the S. Black Cat Rd.
frontage of this property. Staff believes there should also be some discussion
regarding the tiling of the Rosenlof Drain which crosses this property, and how
access to Black Cat and cross access could occur to the north and east in the
future; there is a planned collector intersecting Black Cat on this property.
Further, no concept plan was submitted for this property but the proposed DA
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provision allows R-1 S uses, which includes duplexes, townhouses and daycare
centers, among other uses, by right.
ATTACHMENTS
A. Proposed Conditions of Approval and Findings (,Provided by Applicants
hgps://weblink.meridiancity.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?id=269197&dbid=0&repo
=MeridianCity&cr=1
B. Development Square Footage Exhibit
https://weblink.meridianciiy.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?id=269202&dbid=0&repo
=MeridianCity. &
C. Proposed Utility Plan and Site Plan
hgps://weblink.meridianciiy.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?id=269195&dbid=0&repo
=MeridianCity
D. ACHD Updated Letter
https://weblink.meridianciiy.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?id=26695 5&dbid=0&repo
=MeridianCity
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BLACK CAT BUSINESS CENTER
BLACK CAT BUSINESS CENTER DEFINED PLAN TO PHASE PROJECT WITH ROAD IMPROVEMENTS NOWWHY THIS PROJECT Commencing in 2023, delivering in 2024$85,000Approx. 440 full time employees with
average wage of , subject to our approval tonight We now have a large local business as a tenant for 317,000sf o Project supports 2000 jobs, meeting Ten Mile Plan jobs goals o 78%
of Meridian residents currently drive to Boise, Nampa or further for work o JOBS ARE NEEDED NOW Project provides 2M SF, in range of sizes 17,000 to 350,000 SF o forced to relocate
outside of MeridianLess than 1% vacancy means new businesses cannot site here and existing businesses who want to expand are o INDUSTRIAL SPACE IS NEEDED NOW BLACK CAT BUSINESS CENTERBLACK
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to serve larger employment area by installing internal collectors and pathways.Extends road and pathway network o secured ROW to expedite improvements.from widening and adding turn
lanes at frontage, and signal when warranted. Developer Improves traffic flow on Black Cat o work.currently commute to other cities for the 78% of Meridian residents that to capture
some of Supports 2000 jobs o have a place to expand.sector and help Meridian businesses to serve a growing economic space Provides 2 MSF of needed industrial o
BLACK CAT BUSINESS CENTER
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at indicates when delays are expected to Exceeding the ACHD segment LOS •& capacity at intersectionsSegment LOS is based on the operations •mean?weekday PM peak hour. What does this
(LOS) threshold for a short time during the exceeds the ACHD Segment Level of Service under the functional carrying capacity but Per the TIS, with existing traffic Franklin is well
o FRANKLIN EXISTING CONDITION UPDATES ON IMPROVEMENTS
EXISTING TRAFFIC CONDITIONS BLACK CAT BUSINESS CENTER LOS But Traffic Flows Relatively Freely McDermottPM Peak Photo at 5:15 pm (peak 15 min) on Franklin Rd Looking East from exceeding
the segment LOS (at posted speeds) while to flow wellFranklin road segment can continue So the o intersections, not on the road segment itselfwhen delays are expected to occur at Exceeding
the ACHD segment LOS indicates o capacity at intersectionsSegment LOS is based on the operations & o
EXISTING TRAFFIC BLACK CAT BUSINESS CENTER Road SignalApproaching Platoon From Black Cat from Side Street DifficultHigh Franklin Road Volumes Make Turns McDermottPM Peak Photo at 5:15
pm (peak 15 min) on Franklin Rd Looking East from intersectionturn lane on Franklin at the McDermott How can we help? o delays when trying to turn onto Franklin McDermott may experience
higher When LOS isn’t met, vehicles on o CONDITIONS
Condition 1.1(c)(1)BLACK CAT BUSINESS CENTER PROPOSED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.TMISAP“frontage” for W collector are -84, and the E-fronting and adjacent to Black Cat, Ifacades staff, confirms
the buildingConsistent with prior discussions with
o TRIP GENERATION COMPARISON PM Peak Hour Trips(4-5 Story)Mid Rise ResidentialShopping CenterOffice ParkIndustrial Park40003500300025002000150010005000TRIP GENERATION Black Catimpacts
on Franklin & Reduced trips minimize o than office or retaillower trip generation Industrial has much o BLACK CAT BUSINESS CENTER Franklin & Black CatReduced trips minimize impacts
on o generation than office or retailIndustrial has much lower trip
TMISAP PAGE 2 21-2-APPLICATION MEETING NOTES, 7-PRE L WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE ZONE DISTRICT FOR THIS PROPERTY.” -“I ZONING & USE–TMISAP COMPLIANCE BLACK CAT BUSINESS CENTER 7-
BLACK CAT BUSINESS CENTER 1-2C-UDC 11 DEVELOPMENT, WAREHOUSING, AND DISTRIBUTING.” EMPLOYMENT CENTERS OF LIGHT MANUFACTURING, RESEARCH AND L DISTRICT IS TO PROVIDE FOR CONVENIENT -“THE
PURPOSE OF THE I NEEDSEVOLVING BUSINESS ACCOMODATE THEIR FLEXIBILITY TO TENANTS NEED GO TOGETHERDISTRIBUTION USES ALL WAREHOUSE AND MANUFACTURING, PermittedAccessory/ConditionalWarehouse/Distributio
nAccessoryPermittedOffice (Professional Services)PermittedPermittedLight Industrial L-IE-MLAND USEE ZONES ALLOW? -L & M-WHAT DO I BLACK CAT BUSINESS CENTER
TMISAP EXAMPLE IMAGE FOR MIXED EMPLOYMENT DESIGN–TMISAP COMPLIANCE BLACK CAT BUSINESS CENTER OUR PROPOSED BUILDING 12-TMISAP PAGE 3
MERIDIAN IS LACKING DOES MERIDIAN HAVE INDUSTRIAL LAND AVAILABLE?BLACK CAT BUSINESS CENTER PLANNED INDUSTRIALADJACENT TO FUTURE IT MAKES SENSE TO SITEOUR(CAN ADA)SEWER LIFT STATION DEPENDENT
ON FUTURE MCDERMOTT)(PURDAM & STATIONSFUTURE SEWER LIFT DEPENDENT ON TWO MERIDIAN FUTURE LAND USE MAP UTILITY AVAILABILITYINDUSTRIAL LAND WITH
•HOW MANY JOBS ARE INDUSTRIAL TENANTS ACTUALLY BRINGING?INDICATES >2,000 JOBS CREATED ON THIS SITE Almost 4X Compass report20370AverageLeases in process25450300,000202224% of all leasing
in 202115290352,5002021CommentsJobs/AcreJobsSquare FeetYearJOBS CREATED BY APPLICANT IN TREASURE VALLEY, 2021 & 2022 BLACK CAT BUSINESS CENTERBLACK CAT BUSINESS CENTERBLACK CAT BUSINESS
CENTER all leases in the valley for 2021 & 2022 building deliveriesOur experience is based on ~1/4 of •In our experience the job creation is 4 times this amount •Compass Report suggests
620 jobs on this site (5.3 jobs/acre)
BLACK CAT BUSINESS CENTER HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO THE TMISAP JOBS GOAL?9.6%122 ac1,270 acJob Producing Land>10.0%>2,000 jobs20,000 jobsNumber of JobsOUR %OUR PROJECTTOTAL IN TMISAP
jobs goalproduce >10% of the TMISAP TMISAP and we expect it to Our project is <10% of the
NEARLY ALL PARCELS EAST ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT–ANNEXATION CRITERIA BLACK CAT BUSINESS CENTERBLACK CAT BUSINESS CENTER IN THE NEAR FUTURECOMMERCIAL MIXED USE FOR RESIDENTIAL & DEVELOPMENT
PLANS OF BLACK CAT HAVE
N COLLECTORS–TMISAP COMPLIANCE BLACK CAT BUSINESS CENTER)https://www.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=bf7bf3cb42c04e2bb67f3ba78ce91d76(MAP ACHD MASTER STREET -(PAGE 3 TMISAP
STREET SECTION MAP -(PAGE 3 TMISAP TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM MAP -(PAGE 3 TMISAP LAND USE MAP ROSENLOF DRAIN.BOUNDARY, IT CONFLICTS WITH STREET MAP. IF ON OUR NORTH TMISAP MAPS & ACHD
MASTER PROPERTY ON MAJORITY OF SHOWN NORTH OF OUR W COLLECTOR-NORTHERN ESTREET MAP. OPPOSED BY ACHDTMISAP MAPS OR ACHD MASTER NOT SHOWN ON MAJORITY OF S LOCAL STREET-
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VII . CITY/AGENCY COMMENTS & CONDITIONS
A. PLANNING DIVISION
1 . Site Specific Conditions of Approval :
1 . 1 . A Development Agreement (DA) for the IL Zoned property is required, which shall at a
minimum, incorporate the following provisions :
a. The property zoned I-L shall be used consistent with the uses and dimensional standards
allowed in the I-L zone, which include light manufacturing, research and development,
warehousing and distributing. Self-service storage facility ' will not be a primary use on
the property.
b . Development of the subject property shall be generally consistent with the final site plan
and conceptual building elevations submitted with the applications .
c. Development in the I-L Zone shall be generally consistent with the development
guidelines contained in the Ten Mile Interchange Specific Area Plan (TMISAP) for
Mixed Employment (ME) designated areas, with the following clarifications and
exceptions .
1 ) Only building facades fronting on and adjacent to Black Cat Road, Interstate44, and
the east to west collector road running through the middle of the site shall be
considered frontage for the purpose of applying the TMISAP development
guidelines . The TMISAP development guidelines shall not apply to any other
building facades .
2) Notwithstanding any provision in the TMISAP development guidelines, building
facades fronting on and adjacent to the east to west collector road running through the
middle of the site and along Interstate- 84 shall have an average of 15 % of the linear
dimension of the streel level frontage in windows or doorways .
3 ) Parking is allowed along building frontage, provided that the maximum length of
parking along a building frontage does not exceed 30% of the linear dimension of
total frontage of all planned buildings combined. Frontage parking restrictions do not
apply along Interstate44 .
4) When required to be constructed, the east to west collector shall be constructed in
conformity with the street section design attached as Exhibit A.
d. Development in the I-L Zone shall be generally consistent with the Meridian
Architectural Standards Manual, with the following exceptions :
1 ) Requirements shown on Building Scale, Building Form, Architectural Elements, and
Materials Standards Tables apply to building facades along Black Cat Road, I- 84, and
As defined in Meridian Unified Development Code Section 11 - 1A- 1
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the east to west collector running through the middle of the site . They do not apply to
other building facades .
2) Loading Docks will be allowed to face the north to south collector on the western
boundary of the site .
e . Certificate of Zoning Compliance and Design Review applications cannot be submitted
until after ACHD accepts the Traffic Impact Study.
f. The applicant shall submit a Certificate of Zoning Compliance and Design Review
application to the Planning Division for approval of all future uses on the site to ensure
compliance with the Unified Development Code, Comprehensive Plan, Architectural
Standards Manual, prior to issuance of building permits for any structure(s) within this
site .
g. The Rosenlof Drain shall be left open and may not be piped.
h. The total square footage of approved building occupancy on the site shall be dependent
on substantial completion, by owner/developer or any agency or third-party, of the
following roadway improvements :
1 ) Greater than 0 SF: Prior to any occupancy being permitted on the site : (i) the east
to west collector must be constructed from Black Cat west into the site
approximately 1 , 500 feet; (ii) frontage improvements on Black Cat from the east
to west collector to Franklin must be complete; and (iii) turn lanes at the
intersection of Black Cat and the east to west collector must be completed as
recommended by ACHD . Completion of the above improvements permit
occupancy for up to 960 , 000 SF .
2) Greater than 960, 000 SF: To exceed 960 ,000 SF of occupied space on the site :
(i) Black Cat must be widened to five lanes between the east to west collector and
Franklin, (ii) the intersection of Black Cat and Franklin must be improved as
recommended by ACHD ; and (iii) the east to west collector must be extended to
the western boundary of the site as the development progresses to the western end
of the site or at such time as the property to west constructs a connecting street,
whichever is sooner. Completion of the above improvements permit occupancy
for up to 1 , 500, 000 SF .
3 ) Greater than 1 , 500, 000 We To exceed 1 , 500 , 000 SF of occupied space on the site
Franklin must be widened to five lanes between Black Cat and State Highway 16 .
A traffic signal must be constructed at the intersection of Black Cat and the east to
west collector when a signal warrant analysis shows it is required .
i . In the I-L Zone, ACHD required frontage improvements , landscape buffer and pathway
shall be constructed along S . Black Cat Rd . with the first phase of development.
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J . The Applicant shall provide a 10 ' wide detached multi-use pathway, parallel to the east-west
collector road, within a 14 ' wide easement ( 10 ' pathway + 2 ' shoulder each side) .
1 . 2 A Development Agreement (DA) for the R- 15 Zoned property is required, which shall at a
minimum , incorporate the following provisions :
a. The property zoned R- 15 shall be used consistent with the uses and dimensional
standards allowed in the R- 15 zone .
b . The existing home located at 350 S Black Cat shall hook up to City water and sewer
services within 60 calendar days of such services becoming available in accord with
MCC 9 - 1 -4 and 944 . At such time, all septic and wells shall be abandoned .
B . PUBLIC WORKS
1 . Site Specific Conditions of Approval :
1 . 1 . Surface slopes shall not exceed 3 : 1
1 . 2 . All drainage must be retained onsite
1 . 3 . If the onsite 8 " sewer lines are services , they should be decreased to 6 " , based off flows this
should be sufficient.
1 . 4 . Any 8 " water or sewer main outside of right-of-way shall be covered by a City easement.
1 . 5 . Sewer services shall not pass through infiltration trenches .
1 . 6 . When the development connects to the east, the water pressure zone will change from 1 to 2
which will result in an approximately 22 psi pressure increase . Provide stubs or blind flanges
to the property lines at the future road connections to both the east and west .
2 . General Conditions of Approval :
2 . 1 . Applicant shall coordinate water and sewer main size and routing with the Public Works
Department, and execute standard forms of easements for any mains that are required to
provide service outside of a public right-of-way . Minimum cover over sewer mains is three
feet, if cover from top of pipe to sub - grade is less than three feet than alternate materials shall
be used in conformance of City of Meridian Public Works Departments Standard
Specifications ,
2 . 2 . Per Meridian City Code (MCC ) , the applicant shall be responsible to install sewer and water
mains to and through this development . Applicant may be eligible for a reimbursement
agreement for infrastructure enhancement per MCC 8 - 6 - 5 .
2 . 3 . The applicant shall provide easement(s) for all public water/sewer mains outside of public
right of way (include all water services and hydrants) . The easement widths shall be 204eet
wide for a single utility, or 304eet wide for two . The easements shall not be dedicated via the
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plat, but rather dedicated outside the plat process using the City of Meridian ' s standard
forms . The easement shall be graphically depicted on the plat for reference purposes . Submit
an executed easement (on the form available from Public Works) , a legal description
prepared by an Idaho Licensed Professional Land Surveyor, which must include the area of
the easement (marked EXHIBIT A) and an 81 /2" x 11 " map with bearings and distances
(marked EXHIBIT B) for review. Both exhibits must be sealed, signed and dated by a
Professional Land Surveyor. DO NOT RECORD . Add a note to the plat referencing this
document. All easements must be submitted, reviewed, and approved prior to development
plan approval .
2 . 4 . The City of Meridian requires that pressurized irrigation systems be supplied by a year-round
source of water (MCC 9- 1 -28 . Q . The applicant should be required to use any existing
surface or well water for the primary source . If a surface or well source is not available, a
single-point connection to the culinary water system shall be required. If a single-point
connection is utilized, the developer will be responsible for the payment of assessments for
the common areas prior to prior to receiving development plan approval .
2 . 5 . All existing structures that are required to be removed shall be prior to signature on the final
plat by the City Engineer. Any structures that are allowed to remain shall be subject to
evaluation and possible reassignment of street addressing to be in compliance with MCC .
2 . 6 . All irrigation ditches, canals , laterals , or drains, exclusive of natural waterways, intersecting,
crossing or laying adjacent and contiguous to the area being subdivided shall be addressed
per UDC 11 -3A-6 . In performing such work, the applicant shall comply with Idaho Code 42-
1207 and any other applicable law or regulation.
2 . 7 . Any wells that will not continue to be used must be properly abandoned according to Idaho
Well Construction Standards Rules administered by the Idaho Department of Water
Resources . The Developer ' s Engineer shall provide a statement addressing whether there are
any existing wells in the development, and if so, how they will continue to be used, or
provide record of their abandonment. Record of abandonment must be provided to the City
prior to signature of the final plat.
2 . 8 . Any existing septic systems within this project shall be removed from service per City
Ordinance Section 9- 14 and 9 4 8 . Contact Central District Health for abandonment
procedures and inspections (208) 375 - 5211 .
2 . 9 . Street signs are to be in place, sanitary sewer and water system shall be approved and
activated, road base approved by the Ada County Highway District and the Final Plat for this
subdivision shall be recorded, prior to applying for building permits .
2 . 10 . A letter of credit or cash surety in the amount of 110% will be required for all uncompleted
fencing, landscaping, amenities , etc . , prior to signature on the final plat.
2 . 11 . All improvements related to public life, safety and health shall be completed prior to
occupancy of the structures . Where approved by the City Engineer, an owner may post a
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performance surety for such improvements in order to obtain City Engineer signature on the
final plat as set forth in UDC I I - 5C-3B .
2 . 12 . Applicant shall be required to pay Public Works development plan review, and construction
inspection fees, as determined during the plan review process, prior to the issuance of a plan
approval letter.
2 . 13 . It shall be the responsibility of the applicant to ensure that all development features comply
with the Americans with Disabilities Act and the Fair Housing Act.
2 . 14 . Applicant shall be responsible for application and compliance with any Section 404
Permitting that may be required by the Army Corps of Engineers .
2 . 15 . Developer shall coordinate mailbox locations with the Meridian Post Office .
2 . 16 . Compaction test results shall be submitted to the Meridian Building Department for all
building pads receiving engineered backfill, where footing would sit atop fill material.
2 . 17 . The design engineer shall be required to certify that the street centerline elevations are set a
minimum of 34eet above the highest established peak groundwater elevation. This is to
ensure that the bottom elevation of the crawl spaces of homes is at least 1400t above.
2 . 18 . The applicants design engineer shall be responsible for inspection of all irrigation and/or
drainage facility within this project that do not fall under the jurisdiction of an irrigation
district or ACHD . The design engineer shall provide certification that the facilities have been
installed in accordance with the approved design plans . This certification will be required
before a certificate of occupancy is issued for any structures within the project.
2 . 19 . At the completion of the project, the applicant shall be responsible to submit record drawings
per the City of Meridian AutoCAD standards . These record drawings must be received and
approved prior to the issuance of a certification of occupancy for any structures within the
project.
2 .20 . A street light plan will need to be included in the civil construction plans . Street light plan
requirements are listed in section 6- 5 of the Improvement Standards for Street Lighting. A
copy of the standards can be found at
http://www. merldiancity. orglpublic_works. aspx ?id-272.
2 .21 . The City of Meridian requires that the owner post to the City a performance surety in the
amount of 125 % of the total construction cost for all incomplete sewer, water and reuse
infrastructure prior to final plat signature . This surety will be verified by a line item cost
estimate provided by the owner to the City. The surety can be posted in the form of an
irrevocable letter of credit, cash deposit or bond. Applicant must file an application for
surety, which can be found on the Community Development Department website. Please
contact Land Development Service for more information at 887-2211 .
2 . 22 . The City of Meridian requires that the owner post to the City a warranty surety in the amount
of 20% of the total construction cost for all completed sewer, water and reuse infrastructure
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for duration of two years . This surety will be verified by a line item cost estimate provided by
the owner to the City. The surety can be posted in the form of an irrevocable letter of credit,
cash deposit or bond . Applicant must file an application for surety, which can be found on
the Community Development Department website . Please contact Land Development
Service for more information at 887-2211 .
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VIII. FINDINGS
Required Findings : Upon recommendation from the commission, the council shall make a full
investigation and shall, at the public hearing, review the application. In order to grant an annexation
and/or rezone, the council shall make the following findings .
A. ANNEXATION AND REZONE
1 . The map amendment complies with the applicable provisions of the comprehensive plan ;
The City Council finds that the I-L zoning district and proposed light industrial use is consistent with the
existing Mixed Employment FL UM and TMISAP designations for this site and is compatible with
existing and planned future uses in the area. The TMISAP provides that Mixed Employment areas
should provide a variety of flexible sites for small businesses as well as large national or regional
enterprises. (3 - 11) . The proposed industrial development provides flex and light industrial uses in a
variety of building sizes, each of which is demiseable into smaller spaces to serve a variety of business
sizes. TMISAP also seeks to "provide for industrial opportunities in consideration of future
improvements to Highway 16 (3 -3) . The site provides an ideal location for local and regional light
industrial businesses to access Highway 16, providing jobs close to home for Meridian residents.
The City Council finds that the proposed initial zoning of R- 15 for the approximately 1 -acre residential
property on the east side of Black Cat Road is consistent with the existing Medium High Density
Residential designation for this site and is compatible with existing and planned future uses in the area.
2 . The map amendment complies with the regulations outlined for the proposed district,
specifically the purpose statement ;
The City Council finds the proposed I-L zoning district and proposed use is consistent with the
regulations and purpose statements of the I-L district, which is to provide for convenient employment
centers of light manufacturing, research and development, warehousing and distributing.
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The City Council finds the proposed R45 zoning district is consistent with the regulations and purpose
statement of the R45 district.
3 . The map amendment shall not be materially detrimental to the public health , safety, and
welfare ;
The City Council finds the proposed zoning map amendment will not be detrimental to the public health,
safety and welfare. The development will build new roads and pathways consistent with TMISAP design
standards to provide safe vehicular and non-vehicular connections for employees and area residents.
4 . The map amendment shall not result in an adverse impact upon the delivery of services by any
political subdivision providing public services within the city including, but not limited to , school
districts ; and
The City Council finds that the proposed zoning amendment will not result in any adverse impact upon
the delivery of services by any political subdivision providing services to this site. The proposed
industrial development will not impact school capacities.
5 . The annexation (as applicable) is in the best interest of city.
The City Council finds that the annexation is in the best interest of the City. The proposed industrial use
will provide needed industrial business space to support and complement the commercial and
residential uses planned within the TMISAP area.
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ITEM TOPIC: Ordinance 22-1988: An Ordinance Amending Meridian City Code Section 1-7-
1(c) Concerning City Council Seats; Amending Meridian City Code Section 1-7-1(e) Concerning
Staggered Terms; Amending Meridian City Code Section 17 11(b) Concerning Duties and Powers
of the Meridian Districting Committee; Adding Meridian City Code Section 1-7-11(i) Concerning
Modifications to City Council Seat Numbers; Voiding Conflicting Ordinances and Resolutions; and
Providing an Effective Date
CITY OF MERIDIAN ORDINANCE NO. 22-1988
BY THE CITY COUNCIL: BERNT,BORTON, CAVENER,
HOAGLUN, PERREAULT, STRADER
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING MERIDIAN CITY CODE SECTION 1-7-1(C)
CONCERNING CITY COUNCIL SEATS; AMENDING MERIDIAN CITY CODE
SECTION 1-7-1(E) CONCERNING STAGGERED TERMS; AMENDING MERIDIAN
CITY CODE SECTION 1-7-11(B) CONCERNING DUTIES AND POWERS OF THE
MERIDIAN DISTRICTING COMMITTEE; ADDING MERIDIAN CITY CODE
SECTION 1-7-11(I) CONCERNING MODIFICATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL SEAT
NUMBERS; VOIDING CONFLICTING ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS; AND
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
WHEREAS,the City Council of the City of Meridian adopted the Meridian Districting
Plan, which created six(6) City Council districts and assigned a City Council seat to each
district; and
WHEREAS,pursuant to Idaho Code section 50-707A and Meridian City Code,
beginning with the 2023 general City election, no candidate, including an incumbent candidate,
may run for election or re-election to a City Council seat in a City Council district in which the
candidate is not a resident; and,
WHEREAS, it is consistent with the intent of the Legislature and Idaho Code section 50-
707A to fully implement the Meridian Districting Plan as soon as practicable; and,
WHEREAS, it is possible to fully implement the Meridian Districting Plan after the
2023 general City election by redesignating City Council seats 1 and 2 as City Council seats 2
and 1, respectively; and,
WHEREAS, if City Council seats I and 2 are not redesignated as City Council seats 2
and 1, respectively, the Meridian Districting Plan will not be fully implemented until after the
2025 general City election; and,
WHEREAS, the redesignation of City Council seats pursuant to this ordinance will not
result in any substantive changes because the City Council members holding the redesignated
City Council seats will serve the same four-year terms to which they were elected;
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT ORDAINED BY THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL OF
THE CITY OF MERIDIAN, IDAHO:
Section 1. Meridian City Code section 1-7-1(C) shall be amended to read as follows:
C. City Council seats *�. There shall be six(6) City Council seats on the Meridian City
Council, which shall be numbered pursuant to Idaho Code section 50-707. Each City Council
seat number shall be identical to the City Council seat number assigned as of August 22, 2022,
ORDINANCE CONCERNING CITY COUNCIL SEATS,TERMS,AND DISTRICTING PAGE I
except that City Council seats 1 and 2, as they existed prior to August 22, 2022, shall be
redesignated as City Council seats 2 and 1, respectively. The, rae,.;d;.,,, PjS4;^*;r r0mMjtt00
shl.,I fluffilber-ea seat �R t to him ,,,a T G, -50 '707 The number of
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each City Council seat shall correspond to the numbered City Council districts.
Section 2. Meridian City Code section 1-7-1(E) shall be amended to read as follows:
E. Staggered terms. At each election, three (3) City Council seats shall be open for election,
alternating between City Council seats 2, 3, and 5 and City Council seats 1, 4, and 6i" Add
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1.Election in 2023. In the 2023 general city election, the first election after the establishment
of City Council districts in the City of Meridian, no candidate, including an incumbent
candidate, may run for election or re-election to a City Council seat in a City Council district
in which the candidate is not a resident. Incumbent City Council members who are serving in
City Council seats 2-�, 3, and 5, a sue-h seats w@r-@ 4@signatea prior-to th@ a eN* 4G4y
rA-4—In.;I -so *'s to r;t,raufl i distr-ets, and who are running for re-election in 2023, must be
residents of the respective City Council districts in which they are running. In order to
preserve staggered terms, City Council members serving in City Council seats 1-2, 4, and 67
�t shall serve the remainder of their terms in those seats, during which time they shall
represent the City Council districts corresponding to their City Council seat numbers,
regardless of whether they are residents of the City Council district to which their seat
corresponds.
2. Elections in 2025 and thereafter. In the 2025 general city election and in each election
thereafter, no candidate, including an incumbent candidate, may run for election or re-
election to a City Council seat in a City Council district in which the candidate is not a
resident.
Section 3. Meridian City Code section 1-7-11(B) shall be amended to read as follows:
B.Duties and powers. The Meridian Districting Committee shall be charged with, and
authorized to:
1. Evaluate and apply federal decennial census data regarding the City of Meridian in order
to establish six (6) City Council districts pursuant to the provisions of I.C. 50-707A; Title 1,
Chapter 7, Meridian City Code; and all other applicable provisions of local, state, and federal
law.
2. Assign City Council seats, numbering 1 through 6, to the corresponding numbered City
Council districts,pursuant to this Chaptelib @ p;:@N,i s i @ f I.r--5��� d T 4_1 @ 1�pwrT
ORDINANCE CONCERNING CITY COUNCIL SEATS,TERMS,AND DISTRICTING PAGE 2
3. Act independently to make decisions regarding designating and numbering-City Council
districts a„'' City C^tlNeil seat,,,,.,,bo,.s, without regard for the residency of elected officials
or candidates running for municipal office of the City of Meridian.
4. Consult resources and experts in demographics and population distribution, including,
without limitation, the Community Planning Association of Southwest Idaho, the United
States Census Bureau, and their delegees and staff, as needed or desired.
5. Consult resources and experts in districting and apportionment, including, without
limitation, the Idaho Secretary of State, the Idaho Commission for Reapportionment, the Ada
County Clerk, and the delegees and staff thereof, as needed or desired.
6. Consult City of Meridian Geographic Information System and Planning staff for
information and assistance with establishment of City Council districts and the preparation of
maps.
7. Consult the City Attorney or designee regarding compliance with applicable Idaho Code
and Meridian City Code provisions.
Section 4. A new section shall be added, Meridian City Code section 1-7-11(1), to read
as follows:
I. City Council may, pursuant to Idaho Code section 50-707, modify City Council seat numbers
after the Meridian Districting Plan has been adopted; so long as such modifications are approved
by ordinance at least one hundred thi , -five (135) days prior to the date of the next general city
election.
Section 5. That all ordinances, resolutions, orders, or parts thereof in conflict with this
ordinance are hereby voided.
Section 6. That this ordinance shall be effective immediately upon its passage and
publication.
PASSED by the City Council of the City of Meridian, Idaho, this 16th day of August,
2022.
APPROVED by the Mayor of the City of Meridian, Idaho, this 16th day of August,
2022.
APPROVED: ATTEST:
Robert E. Simison, Mayor Chris Johnson, City Clerk
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