PZ - Applicant Initial Comments in reply to Staff Report
Adrienne Weatherly
From:Alan Tiefenbach
Sent:Friday, June 12, 2020 10:41 AM
To:Adrienne Weatherly; Chris Johnson; Chris Johnson
Subject:FW: Staff Report for June 18 PC H-2020-0032
Attachments:PARCEL CONNECTIVITY.pdf; common landscape strip.jpg
Applicant comments on the staff report for Brody Square Subdivision (file H-2020-0032).
Alan Tiefenbach | Current Associate Planner
City of Meridian | Community Development Dept.
33 E. Broadway Ave., Ste. 102, Meridian, Idaho 83642
Phone: 208-884-5533 | Fax: 208-489-0571
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From: Nichter, Keith <Keith.Nichter@kimley-horn.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 5:20 PM
To: Alan Tiefenbach <atiefenbach@meridiancity.org>
Cc: Meghan Smith <meghan@criterionland.com>; Deborah E. Nelson <den@givenspursley.com>; Randy Clarno
<randy@criterionland.com>
Subject: RE: Staff Report for June 18 PC H-2020-0032
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Alan,
Thanks for the response. Here are some initial comments that we’d like to discuss with you. Is there a time we can
discuss by phone tomorrow? We can follow-up with more formal response to staff report as needed on Monday.
1. Stub Street - The Poormans own both parcels to the north of us. See attached, the larger of two parcels already
has access from the Sepino stub to the northeast. We were specifically requested to provide our current NE stub
to allow for the ultimate connection with Sepino, despite the Lamunyons (to the east) already having access
from Daphne. Back in the day the Poormans did have a pre-plat approved for their property (which has now
expired) with access off Black Cat at their NW corner where there is an existing road. Also, we have been in
contact with the Poormans through the process and have worked with them related to the property edge
condition and associated fencing and trees that adjoin our properties. Having a street stub pointed right at their
house would probably receive a very negative response.
2. Trail - The request for the continuous trail was made in the name of connectivity. Although, in our mind, only
one lot benefits from this additional connectivity. The pond is in place to accommodate the limited flow of
irrigation water to the development. This means that it will dry up for 4-5 months out of the year. In the current
condition, 12 homes benefit from having view lots that back up onto year round vegetation. We felt that
extending the pond, to force a trail connection, creates the following less than ideal conditions.
First off, the pond area which will dry up will make up the majority of this landscape area. This creates less area
with year round landscaping. There isn’t enough room to fit the trail, lush landscaping and the pond because of
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sloping. Plus, the longer/narrower the pond is the less effective it is from serving its purpose (more surface area,
more evaporation, etc.). It would become more of a channel than a pond.
Another issue we were cognizant of was the issue of privacy. While still managing a width acceptable for the
pond, with safe slopes in mind, the trail would have to be pressed right up to the back of the lots and reducing
those homeowners privacy. Furthermore, the connection if made would allow for more pedestrians and an
increased lack of privacy. I’m attaching a photo of a similar sized landscape space. You could imagine a trail right
against the fence would be less than ideal for those homeowners.
Lastly, was the issue of open space. The pond can only occupy 25% of the required open space. If we increase
the footprint, we are working against the open space guidelines.
As we analyzed all these items we felt that it was to the benefit of more future homeowners, rather than the
one benefiting from a slightly more convenient walking route, to have this be a separate/secondary space and
experience. In our mind this is a space that those northern residents can quickly use to take a dog for a walk or
something of that nature while enjoying a nicely landscape trail. It loses that effect if its just a trail squeezed
next to a fence and a channel with no landscaping.
Let me know some times that work.
Thanks,
Keith Nichter
Kimley-Horn | 1001 W. Southern Avenue, Suite 131 Mesa, Arizona 85210
Direct: 602.313.7206 | Mobile: 480.980.7042 | Main: 480.207.2666
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From: Alan Tiefenbach <atiefenbach@meridiancity.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 12:08 PM
To: Nichter, Keith <Keith.Nichter@kimley-horn.com>
Subject: RE: Staff Report for June 18 PC H-2020-0032
Hi Keith,
I am aware of this email, it was included in the case file. I don’t see a resolution other than you thought the lake would
end up too skinny.
It is still our position that two pathways terminating at the pond, and not traversing along it, is not ideal. What options
to you have to connect?
Alan Tiefenbach | Current Associate Planner
City of Meridian | Community Development Dept.
33 E. Broadway Ave., Ste. 102, Meridian, Idaho 83642
Phone: 208-884-5533 | Fax: 208-489-0571
Built for Business, Designed for Living
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From: Nichter, Keith <Keith.Nichter@kimley-horn.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 12:52 PM
To: Alan Tiefenbach <atiefenbach@meridiancity.org>
Subject: RE: Staff Report for June 18 PC H-2020-0032
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Alan,
Thank you Sir. At first glance, there are definitely a few items we would like to discuss further. But, before we formally
compile those responses, I wanted to confirm whether or not you were in the loop with the attached email related to
item #2 below. We had thought we addressed it in this previous discussion. Also, I apologize, I thought Sonya was our
planner hence the correspondence with her on this item and the sign posting. Sorry for the confusion.
Thanks,
Keith Nichter
Kimley-Horn | 1001 W. Southern Avenue, Suite 131 Mesa, Arizona 85210
Direct: 602.313.7206 | Mobile: 480.980.7042 | Main: 480.207.2666
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From: Alan Tiefenbach <atiefenbach@meridiancity.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 8:27 AM
To: Nichter, Keith <Keith.Nichter@kimley-horn.com>
Cc: Meghan Smith <meghan@criterionland.com>
Subject: Staff Report for June 18 PC H-2020-0032
Attached is the staff report for the proposed annexation, zoning, preliminary plat and vacation of ROW for Brody Square
Subdivision (file H-2020-0032). This item is scheduled to be on the Commission agenda on June 18. The public hearing
will be held at City Hall, 33 E. Broadway Avenue, beginning at 6:00 pm. Please call or e-mail with any questions.
Here are some of the staff recommendations you should be aware of:
1. A stub street shall be provided to the north from Avilla Drive through Block 1. This is to allow future access from
the property at 5230 N. Black Cat Rd if it were to redevelop in the future.
2. The northern and southern pathways shall connect at the pond to result in a continuous pathway along the
pond.
Please submit any written response you may have to the staff report to the City Clerk’s office
(MeridianCityClerk@meridiancity.org) and myself (e-mail or fax) as soon as possible.
Alan Tiefenbach | Current Associate Planner
City of Meridian | Community Development Dept.
33 E. Broadway Ave., Ste. 102, Meridian, Idaho 83642
Phone: 208-884-5533 | Fax: 208-489-0571
Built for Business, Designed for Living
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