PZ - Emergency Access Clarification (2)
Charlene Way
From:Joe Bongiorno
Sent:Wednesday, May 20, 2020 11:07 AM
To:Charlene Way; Adrienne Weatherly; Chris Johnson
Subject:FW: Chukar Ridge Subdivision (H-2020-0025): Emergency Access Clarification
Importance:High
Drop in public record please.
Joe Bongiorno CFI, CFEI
Deputy Chief – Fire Marshal
Meridian Fire
33 E. Broadway Ave., Ste. 210, Meridian, ID 83642
(Direct) 208-489-0458 (Cell) 208-936-9554
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From: Matthew Adams <matt@thelandgroupinc.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 10:57 AM
To: Joe Bongiorno <jbongiorno@meridiancity.org>; Alan Tiefenbach <atiefenbach@meridiancity.org>
Cc: Tamara Thompson <tamara@thelandgroupinc.com>; Michael Thomas <mthomas@thelandgroupinc.com>; Larry
Kine <larrykine@gmail.com>; CPA Ryan Minert (ryan@iagroupllc.com) <ryan@iagroupllc.com>; Brady Lasher
(brady@lasherenterprises.com) <brady@lasherenterprises.com>
Subject: Chukar Ridge Subdivision (H-2020-0025): Emergency Access Clarification
Importance: High
Joe & Alan –
I appreciate the thorough discussion so we can have this all worked out prior to the P&Z Hearing. Please refer to the two
exhibits in the email below for more information. The first is a context map and the second is an enlargement to
demonstrate more detail.
The Chukar Ridge Subdivision has three primary points of access, McMillan Road, Ustick Road, and McDermott Road.
Access from Ustick and McMillan will be on paved, public ACHD roadways (orange). These public roadways, shown in
orange, are currently under construction and completion is anticipated this calendar year. The McDermott access route
is an all-weather, gravel road that will be constructed by West Ada Schools south of, and adjacent to the McFadden
Drain. This gravel roadway, shown in red, will be completed in the summer of 2020. This gravel road lies within a
permanent utility easement granted to the City of Meridian. This drive access will extend from McDermott Road on the
east, across our north edge and then turn south and connect to the public collector street that is on the north edge of
the high school site. Access from the gravel drive into the subdivision is depicted in the enlargement below near the
north east corner of the site.
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At some point in time, currently unknown, the HWY 16 extension will be constructed between McDermott Road and this
subdivision. The timing of the hwy 16 project is unknown but we are planning for this inevitable condition. First and
foremost, the connection of N. Owyhee Storm Ave. will be completed north to McMillan Rd. and provide a second
access to Achievement Street. Second, north of the Chukar Ridge Sub is the second phase of Gander Creek which will be
developed with a stub street to Chukar Ridge near the north west corner of the development. I have talked with
representatives of the Gander Creek Sub and they have indicated that phase 2 drawings are approved and construction
is anticipated in the mid to late summer of 2021. This will ensure that the stub street is constructed and available prior
to hwy 16 improvements. This will allow for secondary access from the north, through Gander Creek, and into the north
east corner of Chukar Ridge Sub. Additionally, the two 40 acre parcels south of our development are either submitted or
in design for residential development which will provide access to the south.
We look forward to receiving the staff report from Alan. Please let us know if you have any questions. Thank you,
Context Map:
Enlargement Map:
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principal | landscape architect
matthew t. adams
T HE L AND G ROUP | thelandgroupinc.com | 208.939.4041
From: Joe Bongiorno <jbongiorno@meridiancity.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 9:23 PM
To: Sonya Allen <sallen@meridiancity.org>; Matthew Adams <matt@thelandgroupinc.com>
Cc: Alan Tiefenbach <atiefenbach@meridiancity.org>; Tamara Thompson <tamara@thelandgroupinc.com>; Michael
Thomas <mthomas@thelandgroupinc.com>
Subject: Re: Chukar Ridge Subdivision (H-2020-0025): Emergency Access Clarification
Also, what happens when mcdermott goes away? What is the plan for secondary access once the first one gets cut off? If this is a
dead end, you will be limted to 30 building lots counting everything prior to this property. Do you have access from the south or
north across the ditch?
Joseph Bongiorno CFI, CFEI
Deputy Chief - Fire Marshal
Meridian Fire Department
33 E Broadway Ave., She. 210, Meridian, ID 83646
Direct: 208-489-0458 Cell: 208-936-9554
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------ Original message------
From: Sonya Allen
Date: Thu, May 7, 2020 7:57 PM
To: Joe Bongiorno;Matthew Adams;
Cc: Alan Tiefenbach;Tamara Thompson;Michael Thomas;
Subject:RE: Chukar Ridge Subdivision (H-2020-0025): Emergency Access Clarification
In order for the area to count toward qualified open space standards it has to be improved per the standards in UDC 11-
3G-3E (i.e. it has to be
improved with lawn and one deciduous tree per 8,000 s.f.).
From: Joe Bongiorno <jbongiorno@meridiancity.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 7:23 PM
To: Matthew Adams <matt@thelandgroupinc.com>; Sonya Allen <sallen@meridiancity.org>
Cc: Alan Tiefenbach <atiefenbach@meridiancity.org>; Tamara Thompson <tamara@thelandgroupinc.com>; Michael
Thomas <mthomas@thelandgroupinc.com>
Subject: Re: Chukar Ridge Subdivision (H-2020-0025): Emergency Access Clarification
Check with Sonya. I believe they require the access to have 5 feet of landscaping on each side of the 20 feet drive.
Surface can be 3/4" base, or Decomposed granite or paved. Needs to hold 80,000 pounds, be all weather and be able to be maintained
365 days a year (needs to be plowable). Becky did a beautiful drive in the golf course. They put 1 foot wide ribbon curbing on each
side with a super compact smooth DG surface. It looks really nice.
Joseph Bongiorno CFI, CFEI
Deputy Chief - Fire Marshal
Meridian Fire Department
33 E Broadway Ave., She. 210, Meridian, ID 83646
Direct: 208-489-0458 Cell: 208-936-9554
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------ Original message------
From: Matthew Adams
Date: Thu, May 7, 2020 6:09 PM
To: Joe Bongiorno;
Cc: Alan Tiefenbach;Tamara Thompson;Michael Thomas;
Subject:RE: Chukar Ridge Subdivision (H-2020-0025): Emergency Access Clarification
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Joe –
We need this area to be landscape to hit our open space calculations, is there a product that is acceptable? What
surface would you prefer?
principal | landscape architect
matthew t. adams
T HE L AND G ROUP | thelandgroupinc.com | 208.939.4041
From: Joe Bongiorno <jbongiorno@meridiancity.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 6:08 PM
To: Matthew Adams <matt@thelandgroupinc.com>
Cc: Alan Tiefenbach <atiefenbach@meridiancity.org>; Tamara Thompson <tamara@thelandgroupinc.com>; Michael
Thomas <mthomas@thelandgroupinc.com>
Subject: Re: Chukar Ridge Subdivision (H-2020-0025): Emergency Access Clarification
No. Grass crete is not approved. I quit approving it last year.
Joseph Bongiorno CFI, CFEI
Deputy Chief - Fire Marshal
Meridian Fire Department
33 E Broadway Ave., She. 210, Meridian, ID 83646
Direct: 208-489-0458 Cell: 208-936-9554
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------ Original message------
From: Matthew Adams
Date: Thu, May 7, 2020 6:02 PM
To: Joe Bongiorno;
Cc: Alan Tiefenbach;Tamara Thompson;Michael Thomas;
Subject:RE: Chukar Ridge Subdivision (H-2020-0025): Emergency Access Clarification
Joe –
Yes, the red line is an all-weather, maintained gravel drive suitable for emergency vehicles. We can provide grasscrete
access at the orange line. Sounds like that is what you need. Agree?
principal | landscape architect
matthew t. adams
T HE L AND G ROUP | thelandgroupinc.com | 208.939.4041
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From: Joe Bongiorno <jbongiorno@meridiancity.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 5:50 PM
To: Matthew Adams <matt@thelandgroupinc.com>
Cc: Alan Tiefenbach <atiefenbach@meridiancity.org>; Tamara Thompson <tamara@thelandgroupinc.com>; Michael
Thomas <mthomas@thelandgroupinc.com>
Subject: Re: Chukar Ridge Subdivision (H-2020-0025): Emergency Access Clarification
Is the red line the access? Of so, the two accesses have to be 1/2 the diagonal of the property apart. Which would put it near the
common lot in question.
Joseph Bongiorno CFI, CFEI
Deputy Chief - Fire Marshal
Meridian Fire Department
33 E Broadway Ave., She. 210, Meridian, ID 83646
Direct: 208-489-0458 Cell: 208-936-9554
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------ Original message------
From: Matthew Adams
Date: Thu, May 7, 2020 5:47 PM
To: Joe Bongiorno;
Cc: Alan Tiefenbach;Tamara Thompson;Michael Thomas;
Subject:Chukar Ridge Subdivision (H-2020-0025): Emergency Access Clarification
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Good Afternoon Joe –
We are working through the final details of the Pre-Plat for Chukar Ridge Subdivision (Spriggel Parcel) at the north east
corner of the new Owyhee HS. A question came up during the open space discussion and we need your input. Please see
attached exhibit for reference.
The question is whether or not we need to provide emergency access though one of the landscape common lots. If you
could provide some guidance on this we would appreciate it.
Let me know if you have any questions. Thank you,
principal | landscape architect
matthew t. adams
208.939.4041 | p
208.921.4757 | c
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462 e shore dr, ste 100
eagle, idaho 83616
matt@thelandgroupinc.com
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Phone: 208-888-4433
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