2020-04-16 Meridian Planning and Zoning Meeting April 16, 2020.
Meeting of the Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission of April 16, 2020, was called
to order at 6:00 p.m. by Chairman Ryan Fitzgerald.
Members Present: Chairman Ryan Fitzgerald, Commissioner Lisa Holland,
Commissioner Bill Cassinelli, Commissioner Andrew Seal, Commissioner Rhonda
McCarvel, Commissioner Nick Grove and Commissioner Patricia Pitzer.
Others Present: Chris Johnson, Adrienne Weatherly, Andrea Pogue, Bill Parsons, Sonya
Allen and Dean Willis.
Item 1: Roll-call Attendance
X Lisa Holland X Rhonda McCarvel
X Andrew Seal X Nick Grove
X Patricia Pitzer X Bill Cassinelli
X Ryan Fitzgerald - Chairman
Fitzgerald: Okay. Well, at this time I would like to call to order the regularly scheduled
meeting of the Meridian Planning and Zoning meeting for the date of April 16th and let's
start with roll call.
Item 2: Adoption of Agenda
Fitzgerald: Thank you, ma'am. So, the first item on the agenda is the adoption of the
agenda. We don't have any changes to the agenda tonight, so can I get a motion to adopt
the agenda as presented?
Seal: So moved.
Holland: Second.
McCarvel: Second.
Fitzgerald: I have a motion and a second to adopt the agenda as presented. All those in
favor say aye. Any opposed? Okay. Motion passes. Thank you.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Item 3: Consent Agenda [Action Items]
A. Approve Minutes of April 2, 2020, Planning and Zoning
Commission Meeting
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B. Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law for Hidden Gem Events
(H-2020-0015) by Elizabeth Burgess, Located at 134 E. State
Ave.
Fitzgerald: The next item on the agenda is the Consent Agenda. We have two items on
the Consent Agenda, the approval of minutes for the April 2nd, 2020, Planning and Zoning
Commission meeting and the Findings of Fact and Conclusions the Law for Hidden Gem
Events, H-2020-0015. Anything need to be pulled out of there? Hearing none, can I get
a motion to accept the Consent Agenda as presented?
Seal: So moved.
Cassinelli: Second.
Fitzgerald: I have a motion and a second to approve the Consent Agenda. All those in
favor say aye. Opposed same. Thank you.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Fitzgerald: Okay. So, let me go through -- we welcome all who is on --joining us online
during this time of-- we are trying to get the city's work done while we are all in a stay-at-
home situation, so we appreciate you being with us tonight. We are bringing this to you
via Zoom and online via YouTube. So, let me let you --just kind of walk through how we
are going to do this tonight. On your screen you should see the commissioners, who are
present -- who are present for this evening's meeting. Also on the call are our staff, the
city attorney, and the city clerk's office and the staff from our Planning Department who
will be on the call. Everyone else is online on --or Zoom are attendees. You may observe
the meeting and we can see that you are there. However, your ability to talk and -- will
be muted until such time as we open the public hearing for you to provide testimony. If
you have previously sent a presentation for the meeting it will be displayed on the screen.
The clerk will run the presentation for you. The clerk is also assisting with bringing up
slides for other presentations. So, if you have something that's missing, please, ask us
and we will get you squared away. If you simply want to watch the meeting we encourage
you to watch through the streaming live the city's YouTube channel. You can access that
through meridiancity.org forward slash live where that's being squared away live on -- on
-- on our website. When public testimony is open the clerk will call the names of those
who signed up to testify on our website and you will be unmuted. The chair will call on
you individually. Please state your name and your address for the record and you will
have three minutes to address the Commission. After that we may ask your questions
for clarification and, then, once done you will be put back on mute and we will go on with
the rest of the meeting. Once all those who have -- all those who have signed up in
advance or who have called in I will invite any others who wish to testify. If you do wish
to testify via Zoom you may press the raise the hand button, which is in the participants
down on the bottom of the Zoom app, there is a participants line down there, you can see
there is a raise your hand button and if -- if you are only listening or calling through a cell
phone or Iandline you can press star nine and that will give you the ability to talk. If you
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are listening on multiple devices please check -- please choose one and, then, mute
everything else, so we don't get reverberation. Make sure that you are kind of -- we will
give you some feedback if there is any challenges. I think I have seen -- the governor
went through this during his stay at home order and I felt a little bit bad for him, but we
are all working through it during this time and using new technology. So, please, note
that we cannot take questions after the public testimony portion. That's our time to
deliberate, so we want to make sure that we close the public hearing and if there is
questions we can call you up specifically, but we won't have additional questions after we
close the public hearing. So, with that let's get started with our fun and exciting evening.
I know -- one other thing. If there is an HOA representative, which I think we have one
for the Delano Subdivision, we will give you some additional time to speak. We usually
have hands raised on those who you will be speaking on behalf of, but because there is
not that ability tonight, we are going to give you some extra time to speak on behalf of the
HOA and, then, we will move on. But with that, Commissioners, are there any questions
on how we are going to proceed? Hopefully we have worked out the kinks in the last
round and I appreciate all the staff's efforts to do that. Anybody have any questions?
Item 4: Community Items [Action Items]
A. Presentation of Staff Report for Urban Renewal Plan for the
Union District Urban Renewal Project and First Amendment to
the Meridian Revitalization Plan
Fitzgerald: Okay. Hearing none, I'm going to open up the first presentation and hand it
over to Caleb -- I'm sorry. I think it's -- Cameron, I think you are going to kick us off; is
that correct, sir.
Arial: That's correct. Mr. -- Mr. Commissioner and Chairman. Yes.
Fitzgerald: Cameron, we can barely hear you.
Arial: Okay. Is that better, Mr. Chairman?
Fitzgerald: A little bit. Is everybody hearing him?
Arial: Is that better?
Fitzgerald: Yeah.
Seal: Better.
Fitzgerald: You're good, Cameron. Thank you. Go right ahead, sir.
Arial: Okay. Appreciate that, Mr. Chairman. It's a pleasure to be with you all this evening
and certainly appreciate all of your efforts and willingness to serve, too. Just from my
standpoint I just really appreciate the Commission and your willingness to keep things
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moving in the city, albeit under these circumstances in a unique way. So, let me just
express first off my appreciation to each of you for your -- your service. This item before
you this evening is a long time coming I think is fair to say. The city and the Meridian
Development Corporation, as you know, have been working in close concert to
accomplish a lot of key goals and strategic initiatives within the city's downtown in
particular. A lot of those things pertain to the city's strategic plan, Comprehensive Plan,
which is specific to you all this evening, as well as MDC's Destination Downtown
revitalization plan. So, what -- what you will be -- what is -- what will be presented to you
this evening is a culmination of a -- of many years, if you will, to move our downtown
forward in -- in a meaningful way. So, that really is the genesis of-- of the proposal. So,
as you may know, the current downtown urban renewal district is scheduled to sunset in
six years. Because of that shorter time frame and the way that, you know, urban renewal
works with, you know, boundaries being set, the process to go through to establish these
districts, there is a lot of time and effort that goes into that and so, really, with this --what's
being proposed this evening, which is a de-annexation of a portion of that -- of the -- the
existing district and, then, creating a new district, what we are calling the union district, in
its place, will effectively extend -- or create a new time horizon for those specific
properties. Now, it's important to note that this new district can greatly benefit from some
focus, some tender loving care, if you will. As you know there is -- there is sidewalk
issues, you know, lighting, sewer and water infrastructure, road infrastructure needs, just
to name a few that we are looking to really take a hard look at and move forward. So,
that just kind of gives you a taste for what -- what -- what you will be looking at and the
background and reason for it. It's important to note as well that we do have our
consultants on the phone with us as well. We have Phil Kushlan, our urban renewal
consultant, as well as Meghan Conrad, who is our urban renewal attorney on -- on the
phone with us as well to speak to any -- any questions you may have on the -- on the
technical side. It is also important to note that this is just a step in our process. So, we
have gone through the first phases of this, which included an eligibility assessment that
was reviewed and approved by both the City Council, as well as the MDC board, and
really the purpose of that is to determine, you know, is -- are the properties eligible for
urban renewal and under the code there is -- there is ten specific criteria. These
properties and this new proposed site met eight of those ten. Granted you only need to
meet one to -- you know, under the -- under the strict re -- you know, review of the code
to be eligible. Therefore, you know, both, you know, the City Council and -- and MDC
board, you know, found that this does make sense to move forward with this plan. So,
bringing it current now to you all is really what you are looking at is the land use piece of
this. Does this proposed de-annexation and new urban renewal plan adhere to our
Comprehensive Plan and with that I'm going to turn it over to Caleb Hood, as you know,
is our planning manager and -- who conducted a staff review of the comp plan and how
this plan compares to it. So, I will turn that over to Caleb now.
Hood: Thank you, Cameron. Mr. Chair, Members of the Commission, I trust you can
hear me okay. Wave your hand or something if you can't. Okay. So, thanks again,
Cameron. So, yeah, as Cameron just mentioned, Brian McClure in my office and myself
did review the union district plan for conformity to the city's Comprehensive Plan. I put it
in my memo that you have in your packet. You know, if we were all at City Hall together
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we would probably spend a little more time kind of walking you through those policies,
but we thought we did a pretty comprehensive job just in that memo covering all the
policies related to downtown. As with most development projects, not all Comprehensive
Plan policies apply to each project. It's very very rare that you will see a project that hits
all of the goals, objectives, and action items that you are trying to accomplish for an area.
But we did look at the proposed project area, the redevelopment actions, and the uses
explained in there and evaluated those against the Comprehensive Plan policies relative
to downtown and put -- and put that analysis in -- in the memo. So, I -- unless you want
me to, I'm not prepared to walk through each one of those. We did, again, analyze that.
Do believe that the plan is in conformance with the Comprehensive Plan and we do
recommend that you affirm the two resolutions that are the next two action items on your
agenda this evening. So, if you have any questions about how we got to --- or the analysis
we did within the staff memo, I would certainly stand for any of those questions, but we
really did just zero in on, again, the -- the area called out and the actions anticipated with
the plan. So, with that, Mr. Chair, a pretty -- pretty simple report this evening. Would
stand for any questions you may have.
Fitzgerald: Thanks, Caleb. Are there any questions for Caleb or Cameron?
Seal: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Seal.
Seal: Just in looking at this and some of the intent of the language that's in there as far
as what it's trying to accomplish, why isn't the area bigger?
Hood: Yeah. And, Mr. Chair, I -- Cameron, if you are still on the line it's probably a better
-- I have not been actively involved in the creation of the boundaries of this -- of this area,
so if Cameron or someone else may be on the line could answer how they came up with
the boundaries, that's probably better than -- than for me to answer.
Arial: Or you got it, Caleb. Appreciate the question. Mr. Chairman and Commissioner
Seal -- great question. There was actually a lot of discussion around, you know, should
we make this bigger, should we take a bigger stab, or should we have it be a more focused
district and, really, it kind of came down to, you know, this is a specific piece that we feel
needed that specific attention and, you know, with what's being proposed, you know --
you know, as you -- as you may know with --with these sites, both -- not to get too project
specific, because, again, that's not what we are debating this evening, but there is an
immediate need for that and so we wanted to adhere to the strict, you know, interpretation
of urban rural law, which is, you know, let's -- let's pick a site and let's redevelop it and
use that -- the tool to make that happen. So, there was a lot of deliberation that went into
this and -- and -- and that's how we landed on this particular -- these particular parcels.
Fitzgerald: Thanks, Cameron. Additional questions for either Cameron or Caleb? I --
well, I appreciate the kind of strict following of the -- the urban renewal side. I hear that a
great deal with the legislature about things are pushing the limits of urban renewal, so we
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greatly appreciate the staff taking that into account and using the letter of that law to move
forward with. So, thank you for that. I did want to bring up to the Commission before we
move forward and put it on the record that I -- my wife serves on the MDC board. I don't
feel like that impacts my ability to move -- or vote on this resolution, but I will leave that
up to my fellow Commissioners. They may have a problem with my doing double duty in
regards to her serving on MDC.
Holland: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Holland.
Holland: I don't see any concerns if you think you can be impartial.
Fitzgerald: Okay.
Seal: I concur.
Grove: I'm fine.
B. Resolution No. PZ-20-01. A Resolution of the Planning and
Zoning Commission for the City of Meridian, Idaho, Validating
Conformity of the First Amendment to the Meridian
Revitalization Plan with the City of Meridian's Comprehensive
Plan
C. Resolution No. PZ-20-02. A Resolution of the Planning and
Zoning Commission for the City of Meridian, Idaho, Validating
Conformity of the Urban Renewal Plan for the Union District
Urban Renewal Project with the City of Meridian's
Comprehensive Plan
Fitzgerald: Perfect. Okay. So, in moving that forward we have two resolutions in front
of us -- to take kind of the next step in the -- in this process. Are there any questions for
legal counsel or for Caleb or Cameron about these specific resolutions we are going to
vote on? One is validating conformity of that revitalization plan and I believe the other
one is the -- the de-annexation piece, if I'm not mistaken, but I can pull it up in front of me
right now.
Arial- Yes. That --
Fitzgerald: Any questions for the team? Go right ahead, Cameron.
Arial- No. I was just confirming your -- your -- your comment. That is correct. So, you
have the de-annexation and, then, the -- the new district plan before you.
Holland: Mr. Chair?
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Fitzgerald: Commissioner Holland.
Holland: One more question for Cameron or maybe even legal counsel. So, if you de-
annex the piece from the existing urban renewal agency, does it reset your -- your
allocation area for your increment?
Arial: Mr. Chairman, Lisa, that is correct. So, that -- that goes right along with the time
horizon as well. So, effectively, we would be able to use the tax increment for the full new
time frame, as opposed to just the six year time frame remaining.
Holland: Got it. Okay.
Fitzgerald: You're like a person who deals with city stuff all the time. Good job,
Commissioner Holland.
Holland: Well, I was going to say, I know a fair amount about urban renewal districts
these days, so I think it -- I don't really have any big concerns with it. My only question
was the same one asked earlier of why not consider a little bit bigger of an area for long
term. If you plan to open up a district for 20 years is there more we want to accomplish,
but I appreciate the sentiment of trying to follow the intent of urban renewal to do one
project area at a time and if you can get done what you need to get done with, close it,
and start a new one, because that's the point of the tool, so -- no concerns otherwise on
my side.
Seal: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Seal, go right ahead.
Seal: Just one -- one question on -- one of the concerns raised was that -- I mean -- and
it was with art -- some of the depiction of art or picking what art is going to be there as far
as different entities having the ability to do that within these districts. How is that going
to be mitigated going into this as far -- and that's just a piece of it. I'm sure there is other
parts that are going to -- going to face that -- that same issue. Is there -- is there
something that will be happening with this in order to kind of lay the groundwork for other
districts like this that will come in -- into Meridian as we move forward with things like this?
Because -- because I would imagine that this is -- this is going to be a stepped approach
where this is going to be a piece and, then, you know, they will identify another piece.
So, we want to make sure that there is commonality and flow and, you know, we are all
marching to the same beat.
Fitzgerald: Caleb, I had a similar question. Do you want to tackle that?
Hood: Yeah. I believe I can. Mr. Chair, Commissioner Seal. So, I understand today --
so that was one of the concerns when we put this together was stepping on toes,
basically, and just an acknowledgement that the city does have an Arts Commission. So,
if public art is going to be a piece of what happens in this area that there be communication
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and coordination with our--with other entities that are out there and so there isn't stepping
on toes and -- and increased coordination on those types of activities and projects. It's
my understanding that -- that -- and I might not get the terminology right, but there has
been an addendum to the plan -- an understanding in the plan, anyways, that there will
be that coordination going forward and it will be coordinated with our Arts Commission,
amongst other -- you know, maybe there is historic preservation for other projects and
those types of things. So, I think that's well understood that just -- we need to work
together on projects to make sure we are not working cross purposes.
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Seal, did you have any follow up there?
Seal: No. Thank you.
Holland: Mr. Chair,just one comment, too. So, in the process that they are going through,
because, again I have done a lot of research on how urban renewal districts are formed
lately, they will still have to come back with a district plan of what they hope to accomplish
within that and that will come back forward. So, a lot of the things of what specific
elements are they going to accomplish and how are they going to accomplish them will
come back before us again in the future.
Fitzgerald: And that will be a public hearing, as Commissioner Seal's e-mail earlier said,
I think will give us an opportunity to see those and have a public hearing around that
information.
Seal: Okay. Good.
Fitzgerald: So, if we take these in order -- unless there is other questions, can I get a
motion to approve Resolution PZ-20-01 regarding validating conformity of the First
Amendment to the Meridian Revitalization Plan?
Holland: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Holland.
Holland: The way that staff posed it in here, can we make our motion to approve both
resolutions together or do we need to do it as separate motions?
Fitzgerald: Andrea.
Pogue: This is Andrea Pogue from Legal. You can do it either way. So, staff proposed
a combination motion, but it doesn't have to be done that way. It's your choice.
Fitzgerald: I'm good either way, so if we are good I'm good with handling it however you
want to make a motion.
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Holland: I think I'm fairly comfortable with what both motions are trying to accomplish, so
I'm going to make a motion to combine them together.
Fitzgerald: Perfect.
Holland: After considering all staff, applicant, and public input, I move to approve
Resolution Nos. PZ-20-01 and PZ-20-02 as presented today in the staff report and the
Planning and Zoning hearing.
McCarvel: Second.
Seal: Second.
Fitzgerald: I have a motion and a second to approve Resolution PZ-20-01 and PZ-20-
02. All those in favor say aye. Any opposed? Bill, is that a -- or Commissioner Cassinelli,
was that an aye? That you are good?
Cassinelli: That was an aye.
Fitzgerald: Okay. Motion passes. And we appreciate that.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Fitzgerald: Thank you, Cameron and Caleb. We appreciate your guidance and
information. We look forward to seeing the plans as they come back forward.
Hood: Thank you, Commissioners.
Arial: Excellent. Thank you so much.
Item 5: Action Items
A. Public Hearing for Delano Subdivision (H-2019-0027) by Boll
Cook Investments, LLC, Located at 14120 W. Jasmine Ln.
and 2800 E. Jasmine Ln.
1. Request: Annexation & zoning of 15.22 acres of land with R-
8 (2.76 acres), R-15 (8.82 acres) and R-40 (3.64 acres)
zoning districts; and,
2. Request: A Preliminary plat consisting of 66 single-family
residential building lots, 1 building lot for a future multi-family
development, 8 common area lots and 2 other (common
driveway) lots.
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Fitzgerald: Okay. Moving on in the hearing. We are going to reopen the public hearing
for-- I guess it's maybe continued or, actually, it's remanded back. So, the public hearing
for Delano Subdivision, H-2019-0027. And just for staff -- for Commissioner Grove and
Commissioner Pitzer, this is --we have seen this one several times and so it's come back
before us for reasons I think Sonya will get into, but, Commissioner Pitzer, did you have
something you needed to chat with the Commission about, ma'am?
Pitzer: Thank you, Mr. Chair. I would like to advise the Commission that I live in an
adjoining subdivision of the proposed Delano Sub. Prior to my appointment I attended
neighborhood meetings. I attended the P&Z and the City Council meeting in which I
testified at those hearings. Since my appointment I have abstained from any other
meetings or any conversations surrounding this application and any a-mails that I had
received after my appointment have been placed in the public record. I feel I can be
open, objective, and impartial and will consider all evidence and testimony with an open
mind. However, if my fellow Commissioners do not agree I will understand completely
and will respectfully recuse myself.
Fitzgerald: Thank you. Is there any comments from the -- or questions from fellow
Commissioners?
Holland: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Holland.
Holland: I don't think I have any concerns as long as she can be impartial, but I would
look to Legal for their input if we need to worry about it.
Pogue: This is Andrea. Commissioner Pitzer did consult with Legal and we advised her
if she wanted to do exactly what she did and felt she could be impartial and objective and
keep an open mind through the hearing that she could go forward if she so chose and the
body agreed.
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Pitzer, we really appreciate your providing us all the
documentation and a-mails that you have gotten, so that we could be on the same page
and this allows us to have the same amount of information that you have gotten as well.
So, I feel comfortable that you can stand and -- and be objective in the discussion. So, I
have no problem. Does anyone else have any concerns?
McCarvel: None.
Fitzgerald: Okay.
Grove: No.
Fitzgerald: Perfect.
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Cassinelli: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Cassinelli.
Cassinelli: Yeah. I want to just kind of add on that. I -- there were some a-mails that I
sent out with some questions, basically, and I just want to be clear that those -- the
questions I had -- they were questions and -- and don't reflect any partiality I may have.
I can certainly remain impartial. I just wanted to just draw that out and address that,
because I did ask some questions.
Fitzgerald: But I think all the Commissioners were on those a-mails that we received
them, so I think we are all -- and they were posed in a question format and not an opinion
format, so I think we are good there, unless there is concerns among the Commission.
Holland: Mr. Chair, I believe they were also added to the public record, so anyone has
access to those -- that chain.
Fitzgerald: Yes. Absolutely. Thank you for that information, Commissioner Cassinelli.
Any other concerns out there? Okay. I will turn to Sonya to kick us off. You want to start
this up with the staff report, ma'am. If you -- you have to unmute yourself though.
Allen: Oh, I think I'm unmuted now. Are we good?
Fitzgerald: You are good. Go for it.
Allen: I think the clerk is controlling that, so -- anywho. Thank you, Mr. Chair, Members
of the Commission. The applications before you are a request for annexation and zoning
and a preliminary plat. This site consists of 15.21 acres of land. It's zoned RUT in Ada
county and it's located at 2800 and 14120 West Jasmine Lane. This project was originally
heard by the Commission last year back in -- May 2nd and July 18. At the hearing on
July 18th the Commission voted to recommend denial of the project to City Council. The
Council heard the project on November 12th and voted to remand the project back to the
Commission to address the density issue of the proposed development and for
Commission's review of a revised plat with changes to lots along the northern boundary
of the subdivision that front on East Della Street, consisting of single story detached
homes and the loss of one buildable lot. The revised plans before you tonight are the
result of discussions at the City Council hearings and meetings with the neighbors. The
revisions include a reduction in the number of buildable lots from 85 to 66. The change
to the proposed zoning. The portion of the site along the north and west boundaries
previously proposed to be zoned R-15 is now R-8 and a change to the conceptual building
elevations. Since the hearing at City Council in November the city adopted a new
Comprehensive Plan, which included an amendment to the future land use map that
assigned a mixed use regional designation to the majority of the property that lies east of
the proposed Centrepoint Way. Therefore, the previous application for an amendment to
the future land use map is no longer needed and has been withdrawn. This area was
formerly in the city of Boise's planning area, but last October Boise city council approved
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a resolution to amend the land use map of Blueprint Boise to transfer this area from
Boise's area of city impact to the City of Meridian's area city impact boundary, since
Meridian is able to provide water and sewer services to the property. So, that's the --
that's the update and the background on this and I will just proceed forward with what's
proposed with the current plan. Again, the Comprehensive Plan future land use map
designation for the portion west of the proposed extension of Centrepoint is medium
density residential, which calls for three to eight dwelling units per acre and mixed use
regional on the east side of Centrepoint. The applicant is requesting annexation and
zoning of 3.31 acres of land with R-8 zoning for the portion of the site adjacent to the
north and west boundaries, with R-15 zoning of the 8.12 acres directly to the south and
east of the R-8 portion. The five acres on the east side of the proposed extension of
Centrepoint Way is proposed to be zoned R-40. The proposed zoning is consistent with
the proposed development plan and the future land use map designations for this site. A
preliminary plat is proposed consisting of 66 single family residential building lots for the
development of single family residential detached homes at a gross density of 5.7 units
per acre. One building lot is for a future 96 unit multi-family residential development, for
which a concept plan is depicted on the landscape plan, at a gross density of 27 units per
acre. Eight common lots are proposed and two other lots for common driveways on a
total of 15.22 acres of land. The plat is proposed to develop in three phases. There is a
phasing plan down on the screen on the bottom left. The first phase is on the west side
of the proposed Centrepoint Way and will include the extension of North Dashwood Place
at the north boundary through the site to Centrepoint Way. The second phase is on the
west side of the development and the third phase is the multi-family on the east side of
Centrepoint. This plan as I noted before is conceptual and the use will require approval
of the subsequent conditional use permit. Staff recommends North Centrepoint Way is
extended to the north boundary of the site, along with construction of a street buffer and
detached sidewalk on the east side of North Centrepoint Way with the first phase of
development. This will allow the connection to Wainwright Drive to the north to occur
sooner if the Wong property, which is the abutting property to the north, redevelops before
the multi-family residential portion of the site develops. There have been many letters of
testimony received from adjacent residential property owners to the north regarding the
amount of traffic that will be generated from the proposed development and routed
through their neighborhood. For this reason it is imperative that the Centrepoint Way
connection to Wainwright occur as soon as possible. The applicant did provide a concept
drawing, shown in the upper left, showing how development could possibly occur on the
Wong parcel with the extension of Centrepoint to the north to the commercial area,
eventually extending to Wainwright consistent with the master street map in the location
proposed on this site. If you will go back one slide, Adrienne, please. One access is
proposed on either side of -- excuse me. Back one more. On either side of Centrepoint
Way, a collector street, and an emergency only pedestrian access is proposed from the
extension of North Dashwood Place at the north boundary of the site. A stub street is
proposed to the parcel to the west for future -- for access and future extension. Public
streets are proposed within the single family residential portion of the development with
27 foot wide street sections. Private drive aisles will be provided within the multi-family
residential portion of the development. In accord with UDC 11-3A-3, which limits access
points to collector streets to improve safety and requires access to be taken from a local
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street if available, staff is recommending North Dashwood Place is extended as a full
street section into the site with the first phase of development. And just to note, ACHD
approved the connection of Dashwood Avenue to the existing stub street to the north,
Dashwood Place, as a temporary emergency access and pedestrian connection until
Centrepoint Way is extended to Wainwright Drive or within ten years, whichever occurs
first. When Centrepoint Way is extended to Wainwright Drive, Dashwood Place will be
reconstructed as a public street for vehicular connectivity to Wainwright Drive. UDC --
actually, let me have you go back I believe one slide, please, Adrienne. Yes. UDC 11-
3A-3 requires all subdivisions to provide local street access to any use that currently takes
direct access from an arterial or a collector street. The parcel to the east of the property
proposed to be rezoned R-40 on the east side of Centrepoint -- and that is the one on the
drawing on the lower right-hand side with the property with the star on it. That's just off
site. Again, they -- they currently take access from State Highway 69, Eagle Road. It's
an arterial street and a state highway. Staff recommends that local street access or
driveway with a cross-access easement is provided to the property to the east as set forth
in the UDC. The applicant should coordinate with the developer of that property on a
location for the access street or driveway. And, then, if you go next -- right there. Thank
you. Twenty-seven foot wide street sections are proposed, which only allow parking on
one side of the street. A parking plan was submitted that -- as shown that demonstrates
the amount of available on-street parking, which is 58 spaces, as well as the location of
such spaces and, then, again, there are, of course, off-street parking spaces provided for
each home in accord with UDC standards as well. A 20 foot wide landscape street buffer
is required along Centrepoint Way, a collector street. A minimum of ten percent qualified
open space is required to be provided for the overall development, along with one site
amenity. The applicant is proposing 10.8 percent on the single family portion of the site,
consisting of a .69 acre park with amenities, parkways, linear open space and a collector
street buffer. Because the multi-family residential portion of the site is separated from the
single family portion by a collector street and the development plan is conceptual at this
time, staff is recommending as a DA provision that the ten percent open space is provided
on that portion of the site at the time of development in addition to the open space required
in the specific use standards for multi-family residential developments. A shade structure,
children's play structure, climbing dome, climbing boulders, seating benches and public
art are proposed as qualified amenities for the site, which do exceed UDC standards.
The Nourse Lateral runs along the northern boundary of the sight and is piped. An
easement should be depicted on the plat for the waterway if one exists. Staff is unsure.
If there is an easement and the width is ten feet or greater, it should be located within a
common lot that is a minimum 20 feet wide and outside of a fenced area, unless otherwise
modified by City Council. The elevations shown are the original elevations here that were
submitted with the application. Since that time the applicant has submitted a new concept
building elevations for the single family residential detached homes as shown. All single
family homes along the west and north perimeter boundaries of the development are
restricted to a single story in height as proposed by the applicant previously. The concept
elevations for the apartments did not change. There have been many -- many letters of
written testimony submitted on this application on both the original and the revised plans
from the public and those are all contained in the public record for reference. Hethe Clark,
the applicant's representative, submitted a response to the most recent staff report. He
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is in agreement with the staff report conditions, except for two items as follows: He was
requesting a modification to development agreement provision 1-D, as in David, to not
restrict the homes along the west boundary of the subdivision to a single story as
previously proposed, to allow two story homes to be constructed and deletion of condition
number 2-13, as in boy, which requires construction of the 20 foot wide street buffer and
detached sidewalk along the east side of Centrepoint to be constructed with the first
phase of development to be deferred until the multi-family portion of the site develops.
They are in agreement with the extension of Centrepoint as a full street section to the
north boundary of the property. Staff is recommending approval of the proposed project
with the requirement of a development agreement per the provisions in the staff report.
Staff will stand for any questions.
Fitzgerald: Thanks, Sonya. Are there questions for staff?
Holland: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Holland.
Holland: Sonya, can you tell us, again, what the number was for that second condition
they wanted struck from the staff report?
Allen: Yeah. It is in your hearing outline on the written testimony. It is condition number
2-13, as in boy.
Holland: Okay. Thank you.
Allen: Yep.
Cassinelli: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Cassinelli, go right ahead, sir.
Cassinelli: Sonya, can you -- can you just go over the connection to Dashwood again, so
that I'm clear on that.
Allen: Staff is recommending that it's extended to Centrepoint with the first phase of
development.
Cassinelli: Dashwood. The connection to Dashwood.
Allen: Yes. Staff is recommending that it's extended from the north boundary to
Centrepoint Way with the first phase of development.
Cassinelli: Okay. And, then, what happens -- and, then, eventually it becomes just an
emergency access and pedestrian?
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Allen: No. Staff -- it is a public stub street, which was intended to be extended with
development. City code requires that all stub streets be extended.
Fitzgerald: Additional questions?
Seal: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Seal.
Seal: Just a question on the -- the Nourse Lateral. The question on that where if that --
if that needs to be a 20 foot wide outside of a fenced area in a common lot, is -- is that
going to fit in their plat that's shown here or how -- I mean is that basically something that
they are going to have to figure out how to do?
Allen: Mr. Chair, Members of the Commission, I have asked the applicant about that. I
-- as I recall I never received an answer on whether an easement exists for the Nourse
Lateral or not, so that would be a good question for the applicant. And, yes, I think that it
would significantly affect their plat if a 20 foot wide common lot was required. But, yeah,
the applicant should respond to that question.
Seal: Okay. Thank you.
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Cassinelli, did you have a follow-up, sir? I didn't mean to cut
you off.
Cassinelli: I'm just -- I'm -- when I'm reading the -- the summary here, I'm just not clear
on -- on that. It's saying that ACHD approved the connection of Dashwood to the existing
stub street to the north as a temporary emergency access pedestrian connection until
Centrepoint Way is extended to Wainwright or within ten years. So, I guess I'm just -- I'm
confused on that.
Allen: You have -- Mr. Chair, I'm sorry. Commissioner Cassinelli, Commissioners, you
have two different jurisdictions with different requirements. Our city code requires that it
be extended. ACHD has taken a more lenient approach on it. The more restrictive
applies.
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Cassinelli, did you have some follow up?
Cassinelli: No. That -- that makes sense.
Allen: If the Commission and Council do not wish for Dashwood to be extended, then,
that -- that's a decision that they need to make and include in the staff report conditions.
Fitzgerald: Thanks, Sonya. Other additional questions for staff?
Holland: Mr. Chair?
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Fitzgerald: Commissioner Holland.
Holland: Just to clarify. So, if Centrepoint Way goes through at some point it would still
connect to that other collector up to the north -- that Dashwood would also connect to, it
just gives two points of connection out of that subdivision; is that correct?
Allen: Chairman, Commissioner, yes, that is correct. Wainwright Drive.
Holland: Okay. Thank you.
Fitzgerald: Additional questions? Okay. Hethe is -- or Chris or Adrienne, can we get
Hethe available to speak to us.
Clark: Hi, guys. Can everyone hear me?
Fitzgerald: Yes, sir. Thank you forjoining us. Please state your name and your address
for the record and the floor is yours, sir.
Clark: Thank you. Hethe Clark. 251 East Front Street. Representing the applicant. And,
Chris, do you have the ability to get my PowerPoint up?
Johnson: It's up for you now and I have just given you control.
Clark: Okay. I think I have still got Sonya's up right now. There we go. Got it. Thank
you. Okay. So, of course, we are here to talk about Delano Subdivision. As a -- kind of
give you a little bit more context for the location. This is just off of Eagle Road, north of
Ustick near the Dick's and Hobby Lobby shopping areas. So, of course, it's near major
transportation corridors and as well has proximity to shopping. Sorry. A little lag here.
Also emphasize a couple of the Comprehensive Plan components as Sonya -- Sonya
mentioned. The area we are going to be discussing tonight is the medium density
residential component. While the area to the east is the mixed use regional, those
designations are per the new land use map. They match the prior Boise city planning for
the area on the east. It also matches the much more dense project that was previously
approved on our south. I do want to clarify a little bit and maybe remind everybody how
we got here. It's my understanding that this project was recommended for denial last year
by the Planning and Zoning Commission, because the Planning and Zoning Commission
wanted to see resolution on the area of impact boundaries between Boise city and
Meridian. After the Planning and Zoning Commission hearing occurred, that's when I got
involved. We went to the -- to Boise city and Boise city agreed to the area of impact
modification. That all occurred prior to going to Meridian City Council for their
consideration of this application. When this was up before Meridian, the City Council,
there was a great deal of debate. It led to remand on two issues. Again, that was the
density and the other issue that came up was this connection to Dashwood. Since that
time the prior applicant group is vacated. There is a new applicant group that's come in.
They have asked me to represent them and I am taking on a role in which I'm pretty
dangerous, because I -- I'm kind of pretending to be a planner here a little bit and
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managing this in a way that I don't typically, but what we -- what I did once -- kind of took
the reins on this project was to first schedule a meeting with the Alpine Pointe HOA board.
We met in December of 2019 and what you can see on your meeting -- or on your screen
is the -- the full size sheet of the prior application. What I did was I spread it out on the
table with the board members and we just had a conversation about what the board's
priorities would be with the -- with the remanded plat. You can see the -- the notes here
on the -- on the document and what we talked about was a reduction in density overall.
We talked about reducing density in particular on the north boundary and -- but still
retaining the limitation to a single story. We also talked about an emergency connection
-- excuse me -- only Dashwood and to make the primary access to the subdivision on
Centrepoint. If you will recall that was inverted with the prior application. The prior
application was going to have a gate at Centrepoint and the primary access would have
been at Dashwood. Other items that were identified were cross-access to the future multi-
family, R-40 area to the east. You can see my hand scrawled notes there. And, then, we
also talked about reorienting the internal lots within the subdivision. So, we went to work,
modified the plan and this is what the -- I wanted you to be able to see them kind of side
by side here. As you can see the density is reduced. The primary connection is now
down on Centrepoint. The internal lots are reoriented and the park is still facing Alpine
Pointe, but it's been increased in size. So, this is the plan I took back to the board in late
December for a second meeting. Here is some more detail on that. There was a
reduction from 85 to 66 lots or about 22 percent. Again, the relocation of the primary
access. The emergency only access at North Dashwood. And I will -- Commissioner
Cassinelli, I will talk about that some more and, hopefully, we can make sure that
everybody understands our perspective on that. The north boundary lots were reduced
and we will talk about that some more, but we retained the single story limit, despite the
reduction. The internal lots have been reoriented, so they -- they are east-west, rather
than north-south. And, then, again, the park was expanded. So, this is the revised plan.
I -- after meeting with the board twice I took this to the Alpine Pointe HOA general meeting
in February of 2020. Felt good coming out of those meetings that we were largely on the
same page. I think most people had appreciated what we have done. There are some
additional comments that have come in since then and I'm -- and I'm -- I intend to address
those as we go here. A couple items in addition to point out. For example, you know,
based on the reduction in density and the neighbor comments, we no longer have
attached product in the -- in the -- in the project. Everything is single family detached.
So, we updated the elevations as a result. Sonya mentioned the neighborhood amenities.
Despite the reduction in the density, the neighborhood amenities have remained. We
have five more than what's required, including what I think is a pretty cool proposal for an
art installation and seating area down in the southwest corner of the project. Show you
where that is. So, that is down here. That -- I would note that that is not counted in the
city's open space calculation, for better or for worse. Even without that being we counted
we are still above the minimums. But this piece and this piece we are not counting and
that's something -- Sonya and I will just debate another day. But we meet the minimums
anyway. So, moving forward, these -- the kind of primary concerns as I perceived them
in reading the record it focused on a couple of general themes. One was a desire for
larger lots on the northern boundary and to make the -- the second would be to make the
Dashwood emergency-- or the Dashwood access emergency only on a permanent basis.
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So, let's talk about the northern boundary first. We have reduced the number of lots on
the northern boundary from 15 to 11. Previously there were five duplexes as well within
that 15. So, you have a 25 percent decrease in the number of lots, approximately, and
we increased the square -- average square footage of those lots from about 3,800 to
about 56 -- or, actually, 5,661 square feet. That's the average. And I want to talk a little
bit about that in context. There is a lot of transition to cover in only about 600 feet north
to south for this project. We have to transition from Alpine Pointe three units to the acre
all the way to the Brickyard developments multi-family density of 22 units to the acre. It's
a -- it's a lot of ground to cover in terms of transitioning the project and just to give you a
little bit more context, this is -- these are some photos from the Brickyard project to our
south. I'm sure you are familiar with it. But this will tell you -- kind of show you the -- the
density transition that we have to deal with here. So, we are going from a very very dense
project on the south up to Alpine Pointe. We think that we have transitioned this
appropriately. We have given up a number of lots on that northern boundary. You know,
we think that this is -- is an appropriate compromise when it comes to that. So, next point
is the -- the Dashwood stub and I think -- we can't talk about this without having a little bit
of the -- of the context that we are coming from and I think we kind of witnessed that in
Sonya's comments during the staff report. The -- as you know, Meridian and ACHD
require connectivity. Meridian's Comprehensive Plan is filled with it, with references to
conductivity. ACHD's comprehensive -- policy manual is the same way. There is an
existing stub and existing ACHD right of way at Dashwood. Now as -- as we were directed
by Council and at the urging of Alpine Pointe, we revisited the question of access, both
the primary access at Centrepoint -- or -- yeah, excuse me, Centrepoint and the
emergency access at Dashwood. I asked ACHD if we could have an emergency only
access there. I did not propose that it be temporary. At the time of the neighborhood
meeting on February 18th we did not yet have ACHD's decision. I let the group know that
my initial conversations with ACHD were encouraging, but we needed to get ACHD's
decision. I also explained the difficulty in light of the existing policies. I explained that if
folks would like to have Dashwood vacated there is all -- there is -- there is a process to
do that north of our property, but that is outside of our control. I talked about that process.
Two days later on February 20th ACHD issued their updated decision. They agreed to
the emergency only, but would only do so on a temporary basis. There are a lot of
reasons for that, including the policy promoting connectivity and I just can't emphasis --
emphasize this enough. Getting ACHD to agree to limiting this to emergency only on a
temporary basis was a pretty significant thing and I considered it a significant win on
behalf of the neighbors that had asked for that. This raises a few other points in kind of
transition -- transitioning from there. Maybe if that slide will come with me. Chris, do I
still have control?
Johnson: Yes, you do. Sorry. I'm trying to get control to unmute.
Clark: There we go. I think it's waking up now. There we go. So, that leads to a couple
of other points. After the ACHD decision came down I became aware of that Alpine -- the
Alpine Pointe neighbors were not happy with it being temporary. I went back and asked
again. ACHD said, no, they won't agree to that being a permanent emergency only.
There has been several alternative layouts that have been floated. I have -- as I review
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those I kind of see a common theme there and that would be a connection of Della Street
out to Centrepoint. Della is on the -- in the northern area of our property. So, I discussed
that with ACHD and they indicated they would not permit Della Street to punch through
to the east given the current approved road configuration and, then, third, I talked to
ACHD about if we --whether we could enter into a license agreement to landscape within
Dashwood on our side of the property try to make it look less -- like less of a road in the
-- in the short term. You know, again, trying to give some more comfort to the neighbors.
The answer there, again, was no. So, I have tried to be very responsive to the neighbors'
concerns. I feel like we have gotten them what we can that's within our power. I have no
objection whatsoever to a permanent emergency closure and, you know, the Alpine
Pointe neighbors can certainly petition to vacate Dashwood and maybe with that they
could get a different result, but I feel like I have pushed that as far as I can. Our -- what
we are showing on our plans -- and I think to resolve Commissioner Cassinelli's confusion
there, what we are showing on our plans is emergency bollards and -- and a pedestrian-
bicycle connection for as long as ACHD will allow it. So, I will try to wrap up there and,
then, certainly happy to answer any questions. We do believe that this is in accord with
the Comprehensive Plan. We believe that this satisfies each of the -- each of the --
excuse me -- the requirements of the various agencies. You know, I think I would be
remiss if I didn't emphasize that this is in-fill development in a very appropriate location.
That we know that that's a City of Meridian priority and I will just also emphasize that we
have -- we feel like we have made significant modifications to satisfy the concerns that
were raised by the neighbors and to address the items that were direct--we were directed
toward on this remand. And, then, with that -- hopefully this is helpful for you all. Sonya
mentioned the conditions of approval that we had asked to modify. Again, we are not
asking to modify the single story limitation on the north. That would stay. We are asking
to remove it on the west. We have reduced our density significantly. The property to the
west, as we understand it, has been purchased for development. We think it makes sense
to keep that on the north, but we would ask to remove that from the west. And, then, with
regard to condition 2-B, I don't know if you had the opportunity to review my letter. As
Sonya mentioned, we have no issue with constructing all of the road section of
Centrepoint within that -- the first phase. That's -- that's -- we agree that that makes
sense. What we are asking for is -- is based on the likelihood of throwaway construction.
As has been mentioned a number of times, the multi-family portion of the project requires
a conditional use permit. What that means is it hasn't been designed, it hasn't been
engineered, it hasn't been entitled and it is highly likely that landscape and sidewalk that
gets installed before that process occurs is going to be throw away. There is nothing to
connect to now. We would ask that we be able to do that at this -- at the time of
development of the multi-family piece and so I think the easiest way to address that would
be just simply to delete condition 2-B. With that I will wrap up and I'm happy to answer
questions.
Fitzgerald: Thanks, Hethe. We appreciate it. Are there questions for the applicant?
Holland: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Holland.
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Holland: The area that's to the west perimeter of the boundary of your development, you
have mentioned that there was someone who was underdeveloped -- or had purchased
it and is going to come forward with development. That area is proposed as residential,
I believe, on the future use map and maybe this is a question for staff, but do we know
what -- what type of residential is recommended there on the future use map? Is it R-4,
R-8 or just kind of medium density?
Clark: Mr. Chair, Commissioner Holland, I believe it's all medium density on the future
use -- on the land use map.
Holland: Okay.
Parsons: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Cassinelli, go right ahead. Oh, is that Bill?
Parsons: Yeah. This is Bill from Planning. I can -- I can elaborate with Lisa, because I
have actually spoken to the new owner of the property and so, yeah, their -- their vision
is to keep the existing residence at some point in the future and convert that into -- almost
like an event center for outdoor events, for weddings, because of the -- how nice the
property is and, then, add some more patio homes into the area. So, yeah, his vision is
to go R-8 at some point in the future. At least those are the discussions that I have had
-- high level discussions I have had with the new owner.
Holland: Thanks, Bill.
Fitzgerald: Additional questions for the applicant?
Pitzer: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Pitzer, go ahead.
Pitzer: Thank you. I believe that to the east of this project where the multi-family is, a
new -- it's a city of Boise and there was a sign out there for a three story senior home out
there and they are requesting connectivity to -- through Jasmine. Are we working with --
is Mr. Hethe working with them on that connectivity?
Clark: Mr. Chair, Commissioner Pitzer, yes, and our plan shows cross-access and we
are in communications with them. We have no issues whatsoever with the staff's
recommendation on that to ensure that cross-access is provided.
Fitzgerald: And I want to caution us all that we need to focus on this application. I know
we -- we want to know what's going on around us, but for the applicant and for everybody
around them, we need to focus on this application, so --
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Pitzer: Right. I -- and I was -- I was questioning that as to the amount of traffic that would,
then, be routed through there -- through Dashwood.
Fitzgerald: The challenge is we don't know what comes. That could get denied and --
much like Commissioner Holland said, we -- we can't provide conjecture and guess, we
have got to deal with what's there now. That's the challenge with in-fill. I mean that's --
that's something we are going to deal with in this conversation. So, let's be careful on
how we approach that, because it -- Hethe and his folks he represents can't deal with
what's not approved around him. So, let's be careful on how we approach that.
Pitzer: Okay. Sorry.
Fitzgerald: No, you are fine. I don't -- don't mind the question, just want to make sure we
are -- we are being fair to the applicant and the folks around them.
Pitzer: Correct. Also, a follow-up question. Mr. Hethe, are you aware that -- and I'm sure
you are, if you were at the meeting, but I'm looking over at what the remand was and that
Mr. Conger, when it was -- when asked said we don't want a denial. If you are telling us
to look back at the northern boundary, he would do traditional lots similar to what's across
the street. Do you feel that the density that you have there is what the Council asked and
what Mr. Conger agreed to?
Clark: Mr. Chair, Commissioner Pitzer, I -- I'm not aware of any specific direction that
was provided there by the Council. In other words, the Council didn't say go identify a
specific number. Again, we have a new group here. We have, again, reduced that from
15 to 11 and increased the size by 50 percent. I would also note that it would be -- in any
event it would be very difficult to match up those lot lines against Alpine Pointe, because
if you look at the overhead map, those are pie piece lots to a certain degree, where they
-- they -- on the -- the two roadways east and west of the -- of Dashwood, those are cul-
de-sacs there and they open up pretty wide on the backside. So, you know, we have to
transition, you know, from -- again, from Brickyard all the way up to -- to Alpine Pointe
and I do think that this is an appropriate compromise.
Pitzer: Okay. Thank you. No, I think you did a great job as far as reducing the density.
I was just wondering -- the lot size against that northern boundary, if you thought that they
will be modified to what our City Council was requesting.
Clark: Right. And I -- and I -- and I'm not aware of any specific direction from the Council.
I think the Council direct -- did a remand to revisit that and, then, we spent the time to do
that to -- you know, hear folks out and, then, come up with an alternative proposal and
that's what you have before you.
Pitzer: Okay. Thank you.
Allen: Mr. Chair?
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Fitzgerald: Commissioner McCarvel.
Allen: That's Sonya, actually.
Fitzgerald: Oh. Sorry. I apologize.
Allen: Thank you. If I may respond to Commissioner Pitzer's earlier comments on the
assisted living facility that's being constructed in the city of Boise adjacent to the site on
the east. If I understood her correctly, she was -- I believe she was inquiring about access
to that property. That is actually directly related to this application and I did cover it in my
intro. Properties that have direct access to arterial or a state highway such as that --
when we get properties in for development like this, we require -- our code requires that
they provide access to such properties via either a local street or a cross-access
easement driveway. So, staff is recommending as a provision of this application
conditions of approval that either -- either a cross-access easement with a driveway is
provided to that property, so that they can have access to Centrepoint or a local street is
provided. I'm guessing they will do a cross-access easement, but that--that is a condition
of the staff report. So, I just wanted to clarify that.
Fitzgerald: Thank you for clarifying. And, Commissioner Pitzer, I apologize if I got
crossways in understanding what you were asking. If it's already being built that definitely
is something we need to take into account. So, thank you for clarifying for both of us.
Pitzer: Yes.
Cassinelli: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Cassinelli, go right ahead.
Cassinelli: Hethe, in your conversations with ACHD about the pedestrian and emergency
access to Dashwood, did you get a feeling that -- I mean they are allowing it to be
temporary. They are -- and I'm talking about ACHD and not City of Meridian right now.
But ACHD was -- it was okay with that being temporary for up to ten years. Did you get
the impression that five years from now they can be flexible in making that permanent?
Clark: Mr. Chair, Commissioner Cassinelli, you know, I have been in the development
world for long enough that I always have maybe unwarranted optimism that I can get
through any obstacle. You know, I didn't ask that specific question, you know, would you
be open in five years, because it's -- it's just hypothetical. But I -- you know, I think that
that is certainly-- if folks want to see that continue they--they should go, you know, knock
on ACHD's door and see if they wouldn't allow it to continue. I think the ten years, if I
were to guess, is based on the time limit for their road trust, because as -- as has been
mentioned in the staff report and in ACHD's documents, we -- we have to actually put up
money to allow ACHD to complete the connection later on and that goes into this road
trust and that road trust has a ten year term on it. I would guess that that might be where
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that's coming from, but, you know, certainly folks should feel free to go have that
conversation again later on.
Cassinelli: Thank you.
Seal: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Seal.
Seal: Just as a follow on to that, it's -- it's actually -- I mean it's ten years or when
Centrepoint Way is extended onto Wainwright. That's -- that's what ACHD agreed to,
according to what -- what I'm reading and, then, a question for the applicant that -- it's the
same question I asked staff, which is the Nourse Lateral that runs along the northern
boundary as far as what is the easement on that and -- and how is that going to be
addressed?
Clark: Yeah. Mr. Chair, Commissioner Seal, I apologize, I meant to address that. So,
we have been in touch with the Nourse Lateral folks. We have reviewed the Alpine Pointe
plat. The Alpine Pointe plat includes a 15 foot easement for the Nourse Lateral. It's our
understanding that that was built in pipes with the construction of Alpine Pointe. Just to
be safe, we are proposing to put additional easement ground on our side of the fence just
in case any additional is needed, but we -- we believe that that's been fully constructed
and the plat for Alpine Pointe shows a chosen easement on -- for the lateral.
Seal: So, will that be -- I mean right now it's not depicted on the plat at all as far as the
-- the plan you are going to provide for that will be depicted on the final plat that you
submit?
Clark: Correct.
Seal: And a question for staff. Is that -- is that something that we would need to add into
a motion that we put in in order to make sure it's in there or is that good enough?
Allen: I cannot remember, Chairman, Commissioners, if that is in the staff report or not.
I'm looking.
Parsons: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Go ahead, Bill.
Parsons: Yeah. I was just going to maybe expand upon that as Sonya looks at that
condition of approval. So, certainly, as Sonya mentioned to you in her staff report this
evening, if it's greater than ten feet we are going to want that in a common lot, but the
applicant does have the ability to ask for that to remain on part -- as part of the buildable
lot as he goes through the public hearing process. So, let's go ahead and see what Sonya
finds with her condition of approval. If we think he's going to dedicate 15 feet and as --
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as he moves forward to City Council you may want to include a condition that Council
takes action on that or either stay with staff's recommendation and ask for a revised plat
to see it in the common lot or if you feel comfortable moving it forward with them going
before City Council with a recommendation of it being an easement on the -- on the back
of the buildable lots. That makes a lot of sense.
Clark: Mr. Chair, if I could -- oh, sorry, Bill.
Parsons: Yeah. If-- if you look at the plat that's the surrounding plat with them, we didn't
get that with Zebulon Heights, so I'm not sure what we are going to gain with having a
common lot along the back of those rear lots. There is -- there is really no benefit at this
point. We should have gotten it with the previous plat, but that code was not in effect at
the time that Alpine Pointe or Zebulon Heights came through the process. So, just to give
you a little bit of context on that as you -- as Sonya looks at that condition. What did you
find, Sonya?
Allen: Chairman, Commissioners, condition of approval number 2-A states that the -- on
the revisions to the plat to depict an easement for the Nourse Lateral along the north
boundary of the site and, then, it just goes into the code requirement. If the easement is
ten feet or -- or greater it has to be located in a common lot. It's a minimum of 20 feet
wide and outside of a fenced area, unless otherwise modified by Council.
Parsons: Okay.
Fitzgerald: And, Hethe, did you have a comment there?
Clark: I did. Sorry to interrupt, Bill. Mr. Chair, just to add to that, I believe that Mr. Sevak
-- Ran Sevak of the Perkins Nourse Lateral sent in a letter -- I think it was on -- it's dated
the 11th and he also confirmed that those structures are all on the north side of our
boundary. They are all on the Alpine Pointe side. But, again, you know, if there is
additional ground or easement ground that's required, we -- we don't have any issue with
-- with Sonya's condition as it's currently stated.
Fitzgerald: Additional questions for Hethe?
Seal: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Seal, go ahead.
Seal: I hate to keep beating on this one, but with that Nourse -- Nourse Lateral if-- if that
ended up eating into the lots is that going to do it in such a way that it's going to change,
you know, something about the structure of the lot that makes it less than what it is in
terms of regulation? Meaning does it -- does it make the lots too -- too small to put on
the size of houses that you are wanting to put on there I guess?
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Clark: Mr. Chair, Commissioner Seal, the -- if I understand your question correctly -- and
just to just state this one -- to try to be as clear as I can. There is a 15 foot easement on
the Alpine Pointe plat. The pipeline was built within that 15 foot easement. We are willing
to grant additional easement ground on our side, but that won't affect--that doesn't create
a -- as long as we stay within the boundaries that Sonya -- that Sonya described earlier,
which is that ten foot limit, it doesn't need to be in a common lot. So, it doesn't affect the
lot size.
Seal: Okay. Thank you for the clarification.
Fitzgerald: Hethe, is that going into a plat note that -- that a portion of the back fence is
unbuildable or is just for informational --
Clark: Yeah. Commissioner -- Mr. Chair, it would be like any utility easement.
Fitzgerald: Yes. Okay.
Clark: It would show as, you know, that area on the -- on the plat as -- as -- yeah, that's
it's reserved for those utility uses.
Fitzgerald: Okay. Thank you. Any additional questions for the applicant? And,
Commissioner Pitzer, again, I apologize for the confusion earlier. You had a very valid
question and I got confused in that one. So, appreciate that. With that, Madam Clerk, do
we have a list of folks who would -- that have signed up that would like to testify? And,
Hethe, I will come back to you after, so you can close.
Weatherly: Mr. Chair, we do have five people signed in. One of which represents a
homeowner's association, and that would be Malissa Bernard.
Fitzgerald: Okay. Do you want to unmute Malissa and we will let her kick it off for an
extended period of time. Malissa, I think you are unmuted. You want to kick us off and
introduce yourself and your -- give us your address for the record, please, ma'am.
Bernard: Yes, sir. My name is Malissa Bernard. I live at 4025 North Dashwood. Can
you hear me?
Fitzgerald: Yes, ma'am, we can.
Bernard: Okay. And I -- that's in Meridian. 83646. 1 just wanted to touch on a few points
that I have heard. We did ask Hethe for a permanent vacation. You can see that on the
note of the original meeting that we had back in December of 2019. We asked for a
closure of Dashwood to vehicles in perpetuity. This is very important, because this is
based on the de facto collector or cut-through traffic possibilities. Also this plan changes
based on the way the realignment of lots happen. You are going to have a fork in the
road, so to speak, from Centrepoint Way up through Delano to Dashwood and you are
going to a very high density, lots of in-fill, lots of traffic. They are going to find any way to
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get to where they need to go quicker. I -- we think that this should be something that's
done in the preliminary plat phase. We believe that should be recommended to Council
to vacate the stub at Dashwood and start the process right now with the city, not
something after ACHD. As we know we are kind of overconnected at this point. I would
also say the closure could be achieved through a gate. There is one at Settlers Bridge
that's emergency only and how that occurs is they have a simple patent -- padlock there
for the Fire Department or we do -- as we must have connectivity we could have
emergency only, bike-pedestrian, and it needs to be in perpetuity for this to work. I also
in Hethe notes at the initial meeting we had a minimum of 6,000 square feet as a starting
lot. Hethe said the average of the lots to the north are 5,661 square feet. This is
something that most neighbors adjacent to the border would like that to be rejected and
also an additional ingress-egress is possible at the extension of Della. I have seen some
traffic there between ACHD and the Commission. With re-jig of Centrepoint Way this
could be achieved and also point four would be two story or more transitional product on
the Cook parcel. We are oversaturated with three stories, high density, really packing it
in on all this in-fill. In-fill is important, but we also have to be careful with that.
Fitzgerald: And, Malissa, we have your slides up if you need to reference anything.
Bernard: Okay.
Fitzgerald: Just FYI if you want to -- if you want us to go through anything that's there for
us to look at if you need it.
Bernard: All right. Certainly. So, I can drive or should I direct --
Johnson: Like we discussed, tell me what slide and when you need to be there.
Bernard: Okay. When we get to that -- I just have a couple more points and, then, we
have roll through when -- if I have enough time. Also we think the company should be on
record with the city for transparency. That's pretty important right now. We have an LLC.
We don't know who the builder is with the type of product for the housing. We don't know
if this is going to be rental, single family. We -- we have no idea who the builder is, who
the company is represented. It's behind an LLC at this time. And also we have said time
and time again for the closure of Dashwood to avoid the cut through and help us be
permanent. The applicant said they weren't against the closure, yet without concrete and
filed correspondence with the city agencies, you know, kind of have doubts about the fate
of Dashwood. So, we were asking the Commission to recommend to Council, since they
are the deciding body, to address the Dashwood situation and to have that be
permanently closed. And has anyone -- I know Bill has talked to the Enzlers. He called
me this evening. So, he might have an opinion about the single family homes to the west
and their size and also I think he's concerned about access. How is he going to get home
when all of this construction is going on. And also the UDC was referenced that all local
streets and stub streets must connect and that's where you want to do it. There is many
stubs through the City of Meridian that have been decommissioned and closed to through
traffic. So, there is four examples. You should have seen them in the correspondence
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before -- where these stubs are decommissioned. And also the city can initiate the
vacation of -- of such, because it falls under land use and if you don't think it's a good fit
for Meridian. So, it is in the power of City of Meridian to -- to initiate these processes.
Okay. If you go to slide two, please. This is what we -- we got in January 2019 and here
is what we got in 2020. As you can see there is little deviation. I asked for less lots to
the north and there -- this is just basically let's just get this, stamp it, print it, call it done.
I don't think there was a whole bunch of effort done on this. We did try the Dashwood
thing. As you can see we didn't even get that. But I do admit that there is -- there is a
reduction. Usable green space, that's much better. We still have a lot of lots and the
transition to our R-4 neighborhood and I think they could do a little better on the lots up
north. And, then, on number three, please. As you can see we are grossly overconnected
for a neighborhood our size and as you can see from the city -- we have got nine
connections. Six are built now. And, then, we have three very close north-south
connections in the future. For some reason it seems like our whole neighborhood has
been retrofitted to address a vehicle and traffic problem that we shouldn't be -- be the only
ones to bear. As you can see most of the east-west and north-south is going to be routed
through our neighborhood. Eagle Road ten years ago isn't anything like it-- like it is today
and it seems like since we were the last neighborhood on the block we were the ones
that were going to get retrofitted to handle all the traffic that's coming. Next slide, please.
Thank you. As you can see, ACHD has been talked to. Della is possible with some re-
jigs. I'm not an engineer. This is just a resident who -- who sees a problem how this --
this could be addressed. Jasmine to the south is very important for the Enzlers to get
home. Also I know Sonya referenced a cross-access or some sort of street for the Stellar
Development that will be coming. We have to be very careful with in-fill. We have to
make sure it fits, that we don't overwhelm neighborhoods. That the flow is great. I --
personally I hate cross-access. I hate driving through parking lots in -- in front of people's
homes or apartments to get somewhere else. I don't like cutting through the -- the Taco
Bell parking lot, et cetera. So, I think if the cities and agencies could get together and try
to make this work -- you are going to have a bigger population down here and we should
probably do our best to make sure it's smooth. People are going to have to cut through
in such. And number five, please. As you can see, the Bollinger parcel is full of RVs.
Dashwood was never signed as a stub. We had all bought thinking that this was a cul-
de-sac. As you can see we thought that perhaps this was in the future for gate access
for the Bollinger parcel and for Nourse Lateral access in case they needed to -- to address
anything on the Bollinger parcel. And, again, we had no idea that this was coming. We
have been kind of blindsided a little bit without the stub being connected. Number six.
As you can see Centrepoint was quite the surprise as well. This is deeded as a common
lot on the final plat filed with Boise. You have to dig into Ada county to find the quitclaim
deed, the warranty deed of Lot 7, which is for the Centrepoint Way collector to be found.
So, everyone bought here thinking that this was a landscape strip. No one -- no one on
Brooksburg had any idea that there was going to be a collector. In fact, we didn't know
this until the applicant came forward. Number seven, please. As you can see, this is
MSM, master street maps. It doesn't show the collector going up to Wainwright until the
amendment in 2018. Now, if this was done in 2005 you would think that this would have
been reflected upon the map much earlier. And also you can see on Blueprint Boise
Centrepoint Way connects and lines up Bald Cypress. It doesn't go all the way up to
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Wainwright. So, we are getting kind of hit with a double whammy and, you know, no one
knew this. No one -- no one bought foolishly. So, that's what I wanted to say about that.
Next slide, please. So, things we are seeking are the emergency only at Dashwood in
perpetuity. This -- there is another ingress-egress that is possible for traffic flow as you
can see from the ACHD correspondence with the commissioners. This would avoid a
twin de facto collector, create a better flow through Delano, and there would be no cut-
through for Delano if Dashwood was closed. We are seeking larger lots, single story to
the north for better transition. Also two story transitional product on the Cook parcel. R-
15 fits the MUR comp plan designation and also all construction traffic to Jasmine only
with no exceptions, except for the initial utility connections. We also believe funds should
be provided by all development for the improvement of Eagle Road and Wainwright
intersection. In the ITD report they were seeking the southbound approach to a light on
Eagle to be reconfigured and lengthened at this point and also there should be
transparency and a named parent company for the project and, furthermore, a good
development and traffic plan. There are many ways to develop this in-fill. New in-fill
development should not disrupt the homes and lives of 211 -- lives of families on 211
homes on 90 acres. And, lastly, there is just a few questions about the housing type. Is
this rental, the builder, and the ITD requirement and we are hoping that there will be good
conductivity to the south of us. That would be great for all the in-fill parcels and, again,
about the cross-access, parking lots, if we even have an unofficial lane of some sort it
doesn't need to be a dedicated street. That might be best for this -- this whole city block.
If you have any questions I would be sure happy to answer them. Thank you.
Fitzgerald: Thank you very much. Are there any questions? Okay. Thank you very
much. Madam Clerk, who is next on our list?
Weatherly: Mr. Chair, next is Laura T.
Fitzgerald: And if you can unmute her. Laura, you are unmuted. You have the floor.
Please give us your name and your address and you have three minutes, ma'am.
Trairatnobhas: Yes. This is Laura Trairatnobhas. 4621 North Camas Creek Way in
Meridian and I am a resident of the Alpine Pointe Subdivision. First of all, thank you very
much for taking all the time and trouble to set us up so that we can do this remotely. As
a person who is in her 60s I really appreciate not having to go out into a public meeting.
So, thank you for doing that. I know it was not easy. I would just like to bring up two
quick points. On the issue of connectivity, we hear that word bandied about a lot and
used in very serious conversations. Connectivity is definitely important, but it's also a
relative term. There is no specific definition of how much connectivity is not enough or
how much is too little and I think it is possible for it to be too much connectivity. I would
just like to suggest that perhaps Planning and Zoning and the City of Meridian or whoever
at Ada county is actually involved in this, sit down, talk, and perhaps come up with some
standards for what connectivity means. How much is enough, but how much is too much.
And I truly believe that Alpine Pointe is already thoroughly connected without adding in
the Dashwood connection and, of course, Centrepoint. Second point that I want to bring
up -- if I understood correctly we were told tonight that the City of Meridian requires that
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streets be extended, but the ACHD's approach is that we could have Dashwood used as
a temporary emergency road only for ten years until Centrepoint opens up and the point
was made that if there is a conflict between ACHD versus City of Meridian, then, it would
be the more strict -- more restrictive approach applies and as I'm reading it the more
restrictive approach is that of ACHD, which says to then go ahead and use bollards, as
Hethe has suggested and as we talked about in our meetings with Hethe, that we could
use bollards to keep Dashwood closed only for emergencies at least for ten years or until
Centrepoint opens up all the way. Obviously, ideally Centrepoint would be closed forever
from my point of view and the point of view of my neighbors, the 200 of us living in our
subdivision. If we were to go ahead and get permission to close it temporarily, then, it
would be possible for Hethe and his project to start work. We from Alpine Pointe would
have time to petition ACHD to vacate Dashwood in perpetuity so that it could be
permanently closed off. So, that's just an idea I had that I would like to put out there and
I think that's all right now. Thank you very much for listening. I do appreciate it.
Fitzgerald: Thank you, ma'am. We appreciate you being here or being a part of this
evening. And, Madam Clerk, I will let you pick the next one -- or provide us the next
name.
Weatherly: Michael Bernard.
Fitzgerald: And, Mr. Bernard, I think you are unmuted now, sir. So, you have three
minutes. Please give us your name and your address for the record, please.
M.Bernard: Yes, Mr. Chair and Commission. Can you all hear me?
Fitzgerald: You are a little bit muffled and a little bit quiet. If you can speak up a little bit
more.
M.Bernard: Okay. How -- is this better?
Fitzgerald: That's better. Thank you.
M.Bernard: Okay. My name is Michael Bernard. I live at 4025 North Dashwood Place
Meridian, Idaho. 83646. So, obviously, a homeowner on Dashwood, which is one of the
more contentious elements at least from my personal perspective and that of many of my
neighbors. So, I just want to amplify maybe some of the points that have been made
earlier and make a couple of my own. First I want to amplify the fact that this Commission
has recommended to Council and Council has in the past closed other stubs. In fact, Mr.
Clark, representing a different development at the time, made the point before this
Commission and the Council asking for that to be done on behalf of a different
development, because they would become a pinwheel. So, basically, we are -- we are
really saying the same thing. We are taking the same perspective as Mr. Clark has in the
past for very very similar circumstances. In fact, I mean the city I think has the -- has the
approval -- the ability to do that and regardless of what the county wants, but I will move
on. If -- if anyone could recall or if it would be possible to pull up -- pull up the drawings
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of the original proposal that was presented, you know, a year ago compared to what we
have now and sort of compare them, I think you will realize that the reason why some of
this reconfiguration was done from the old layout to the new layout -- part of that was
based on the fact that we wanted Dashwood to be closed and the current applicant was
proposing to close Dashwood and have it be an emergency only. Now, if you notice in
the prior one they had sort of meandered the traffic around back and forth, that way
anyone coming in through Dashwood or coming up through Centrepoint on the south we
wouldn't have any racetrack sort of a layout; right? Now, you look at the new one on the
right, the new one on the right -- if Dashwood is open completely to Centrepoint, you
notice that's a racetrack right there. There is no sort of traffic mitigating features in play
there. You can go as fast as you want up and down any of those streets, either east-west
or north-south through Dashwood and the north-south connectors. So, really what I'm
talking about here is not only from a concern of the current homeowners in my subdivision
or specifically on my street, but we need to think about the people that are going to be
buying and living in here as well; right? If Dashwood is open permanently and we build
here, who really wants to live on that street? I mean most people are like me, I bought
on a place that I thought was a cul-de-sac. It was never signed like the other streets in
my neighborhood when I bought that said this street to be connected in the future. My
street wasn't signed. I thought I was living on a turnaround that was just there for
construction vehicles and garbage trucks. Now, I bought there because I like living on a
cul-de-sac. Everyone says, oh, I like where I live. There is no traffic. You ever hear
anyone say they like living on the street that has a lot of traffic? Well, now if we go to a
later -- if we go down a couple of -- a couple of slides where you see how that connects
to the property to the south, that--that abomination they call the Brickyards, well, imagine
if you live on one of these streets in this new proposed subdivision and all the traffic that's
going to come through -- through your neighborhood from all that property to the south
and, then, through my street, how can we possibly allow that? It's -- it's poor planning.
It's not considering the families and the kids that are going to be living in this proposal
and it's certainly not considering my grandkids that come visit at my house or the other
disabled folks that live across the street from me that are out checking their mail in their
wheelchairs. It's -- we are creating a racetrack. I probably need to get off my soapbox
on that.
Fitzgerald: Yeah. I think you need to wrap your comments up, Mr. Bernard, but we
appreciate it.
M.Bernard: Okay. And that's all I have. I appreciate my times probably run out. Thanks.
I appreciate it.
Fitzgerald: Thank you so much. We appreciate you being here and being a part of
tonight. Madam Clerk, who is next, ma'am?
Weatherly: Mr. Chair, we have Sandi King.
Fitzgerald: Thank you. And, Sandi, you are unmuted. If you would like to state your
name and your address for the record. You have three minutes.
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King: Thank you. Can you hear me okay?
Fitzgerald: Yes, ma'am, we can. Thank you.
King: Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chair and the Planning and Zoning Commissioners.
Appreciate the work to be able to have us all part of this meeting tonight. It's been a
stressful time for pretty much everybody I think. My issues are I -- I was part of the
meetings with Mr. Clark in December and January, as I used to be on the HOA board.
We talked about a lot of things. He's correct in most of what he has said. I'm not really
challenging that, but I do want to say we never deviated from saying Dashwood needed
to be vacated or closed and only open to foot or bike traffic. We talked about Idaho cities
and counties in our state as a whole as being livable and -- and a beautiful place to live
and raise families. If you allow this to open up into our subdivision it will not be livable. I
-- I would ask you to drive through the area and the apartments that Mr. Bernard just
referred to, they might be called the Brickyards, but everyone refers to them as the
Barracks, because they are so huge and so ugly and so many that all will funnel through
our subdivision. There is no way around it. People leaving Sports -- Dick's Sporting
Goods, Hobby Lobby, all of that shopping center and food eatery won't want to go to
Eagle, because Eagle is so crazy busy, so they will be funneling through our subdivision.
There is no other option. Also when -- if you could pull up Malissa's slide number three.
We not only have nine points of ingress and egress as it stands now, if you permanently
vacate Dashwood we will still have eight points. I think that is still over connectivity. So,
we are not asking for the moon, we are just asking you to make this a little more livable.
My other point is Rogue River comes down and is one of those points of egress and I
believe it is -- where number seven is. It's the blue line going up. Rogue River is a T
street, goes down very close to the Brickyards. It is part of the -- I don't know what the
city refers to it as, but it is the walk-bike path that is approximately ten feet wide. It comes
up from the south, meanders through Alpine Pointe and continues on. That's connectivity.
That is massive walk-bike path connectivity. It goes through our park area, goes through
our subdivision in front of our homes. I think you are asking more than one subdivision
should have to give. I'm asking you all to, please, consider what you are doing to the
homeowners that purchased thinking we had a nice subdivision, streets wide enough to
back RVs, because most of us have RV garages to be able to pull up, back them into
your garage and maintain a comfortable subdivision, comfortable living, safe place for our
children and our grandchildren to play. You have the ability to recommend vacating
Dashwood. I would strongly ask that you do that and I think that is the bulk of what I
would like to say tonight and I appreciate your consideration. I appreciate your time. One
last point. I would also like to state that our homes we purchased not being aware of this,
because it wasn't public information. The other point is Delano Subdivision is being built
for profit. It is not an individual homeowner that we are requesting a limitation of. He can
sell his property, but the development is for profit and I think that is the consideration that
should be also considered. Thank you.
Fitzgerald: Thank you, Mrs. King. We appreciate it. Madam Clerk, who is next?
Weatherly: Mr. Chair, lastly we have Kenneth Clifford.
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Fitzgerald: Thank you. Mr. Clifford, we are working on getting you unmuted, sir. Hold
on one second.
Johnson: Mr. Chair, it looks he will have to unmute himself.
Fitzgerald: Mr. Clifford, can you unmute yourself and, then, we can hear you, sir. If you
are on the phone you hit star six. If you can unmute yourself on the bottom left of your
screen. I think the host can unmute them, but I cannot.
Johnson: We cannot either. It's not allowing us. When we hit the unmute button it's --
Fitzgerald: Mr. Clifford, I think you are unmuted, sir. If you want to state your name and
your address for the record. I think we -- you have got three minutes.
Clifford: Hi. Can you hear me now?
Fitzgerald: Yes, sir. Thank you.
Clifford: Okay. Yeah. That was quite the deal. My name is Kenneth Clifford. I'm at 4523
North Rosepoint Place in Meridian. I'm also in the Alpine Pointe Subdivision. I submitted
my testimony in writing earlier today. It should it be in your packet. Everything else that
I would want to talk about they have -- people before me have already done so eloquently,
that I would be in repetition. What I would like to point out, though, that hasn't been talked
about is the overcapacity of the schools. In going back through the packet I see that the
West Ada School District submitted their reply in April -- on April 16th, 2019, and in that
letter they recommended that the city deny the applicant -- or application for Delano
Subdivision and they did so because their schools that are impacted by the Delano
Subdivision are already over capacity. I should say two of the three schools that are
impacted are over and I have the information in my -- in my submission, but the Discovery
Elementary is the only one that is not over capacity. The Heritage Middle School was
254 students or 125 percent and the Rocky Mountain High School has an enrollment of
2,448, with a capacity of 1,800. So, it's 136 percent of capacity or 648. That information
is a year old. That letter was dated on April 16th, 2019, and here we are actually exactly
one year later and I don't know what -- if anybody has taken into consideration the
additional growth that we have had in Meridian and impacts to those schools or if that's
just a moot point. Other than that I think that my other cohorts have covered the material
very eloquently and I agree with Sandi and all those that we are over connected and we
are going to maintain the connectivity when we open up the Rogue River Way and also
when Centrepoint comes in that will put two connections north-south and Dashwood
would just simply be overkill and I thank you very much for your time.
Fitzgerald: Thank you, sir. Thank you. Is there any additional people on the phone or
-- that would like to testify that we haven't heard from yet? Madam Clerk, do you -- are
you aware of anybody else? I don't see any hands either.
Weatherly: Mr. Chair, I don't see any hands raised either. If I --
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Fitzgerald: I do see one. Can we unmute Allie Crane? Allie, you are unmuted. Please
state your name and your address for the record and we are happy to hear from you.
Crane: Thank you, sir. My name is Allie Crane. My address is 2654 East Mahoney
Street. I'm actually in Champion Park Subdivision. Thank you for allowing me to speak.
I -- with everything going on I had -- I had planned this meeting and, then, I did not think
about it until right when it started. So, I filled out the form, but it was late. So, I'm on the
south end of the proposed subdivision of Delano and I actually am at the north end of
Champion Park. We are on Mahoney, where kind of Petty and Leslie Way meet on a
very short stub street Mahoney Street. So, it's -- it's very short. If you could -- if you could
compare the original and the new plan comparison, that slide is what I really wanted to
address. Obviously, most of the concerns have been about the Dashwood Drive and
ours is -- is more of a -- a tree issue and I know -- I spoke at the last City Council meeting
when -- when this proposal was -- was available. If you can see in the original plan -- the
original plan there were trees all along that southern boundary of the Delano Subdivision
and those are all mature, about 30 feet trees, and I couldn't even tell you how many there
are. There is probably about 30, 40 trees that line at the angle and, then, also on the
Centrepoint. And so our home, along with about four of my neighbors, we sit kind of on
that slant and where it turns to the street and so those trees were pretty important to us
for this subdivision, because, one, they are mature trees and I -- I'm not sure how the city
feels about taking out very mature trees that are healthy. Understand when they get
diseased it's, obviously, important to take them out, but healthy trees are nice to have
and you can see that that original plan had a lot of green space -- mostly trees on the
bottom, which was probably nice for them also, because as you move farther east, then,
you get into the Brick -- Brickyard to try to avoid the -- the views of the Brickyard. And,
then, if you look at the new plan and -- and this is where I -- my -- my major concern is
with this is -- is that there is no trees. They have taken out pretty much all of those 40'ish
trees to the south of their development. So, that's -- it's a concern. I would like to see --
to see a way to incorporate those trees back into the plan. I don't -- I was trying to look
through the materials to see what those lot spaces are -- or lot sizes on that bottom, what
they look like and if those are single level homes or double -- or two story homes, but I
was having a hard time going through the materials quickly. So, I think that's my primary
concern that I just wanted to relay, that we are taking out a huge number of very nice
mature pine trees. Evergreens. And that's all. Thank you.
Fitzgerald: Thank you, Mrs. Crane. We appreciate your input. That was a perspective
we hadn't heard, so I appreciate that. Any additional hands raised? Any additional
participants that haven't -- we haven't heard from? Not seeing any -- give everybody a
second here.
Allen: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Yes, ma'am.
Allen: When the public testimony is concluded I do have an item I would like to discuss
-- with the Commission.
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Fitzgerald: Perfect. Well, I don't see any additional hands being raised on Zoom. Madam
Clerk, one more ask of you. Is there anybody else that you are aware of that needs to --
or was wanting to testify?
Weatherly: Mr. Chair, I am not aware of anybody else.
Fitzgerald: Okay. Thank you very much, ma'am. Sonya, do you want to go right ahead
and, then, we have provide it to Hethe to close.
Allen: Yes. Thank you. In response to Mrs. Allie Crane's testimony on the existing trees
that are along the southern boundary of the site, staff did discuss this issue with the
applicant with the previous development plan and the applicant relayed to staff that those
trees were planned to be removed by the existing residential property owner for firewood.
Staff did include a condition of approval in the staff report to include mitigation information
on the plan for any existing trees that are not removed from the property. You know, if --
I would recommend if these trees are still existing today, if -- if Commission and the
Council has a desire for those to remain -- they are not going to be able to remain with
the current lot configuration, but be mitigated for as they exist today, I would suggest
recommending that in the conditions of approval specifically. Thank you.
Fitzgerald: Thanks, Sonya. Any additional questions for the staff before we turn it over
to the applicant for closure? Okay. Hearing none, Hethe, would you like to take us to
close, please, sir.
Clark: Sure. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Again, for the record Hethe Clark. 251 Front Street
in Boise. A couple items that I will just kind of hit in rapid fire fashion and, then, if there
are additional questions I'm happy to try to address them. With regard to the lots on the
north. Let's see. Can I have the PowerPoint back? Thank you. So, with regard to the
lots on the north, as Mrs. Bernard stated, what -- and you can see it right here. It's not
very easy to see, but we have written in 6,000 square feet. That was what we were
shooting for. Our average is 5,661 feet. We have got a couple of those -- of the lots in
the new plan that are actually over 6,000. We feel like we have done what we can to
compromise there. And, again, we are transitioning -- we are going a long ways with that
transition. With regard to the question of two story limitation on the R-40 section, I would
just say that that's not appropriate at this time. There is a conditional use permit
application that will be required before multi-family can go on that parcel. At that time any
of those types of limitations would be fair game to discuss, but it's -- it's premature to
discuss that at this point. With regard to schools, the -- the -- Owhyee -- the West Ada
letter -- the specific language there was that it is West Ada School District's opinion it
would be best to delay the approval of the Delano Subdivision until fall 2020, within a year
of the opening of Owyhee High School. Congratulations, everybody, we made it. As long
as this has gone on, this -- that's -- that's not an issue. With regard to Dashwood, you
know, a couple points and -- and I feel like I'm in a bit of a pinch here. You know, from
one perspective, you know, these roads are all well within capacity at build out, but I want
to be clear that I haven't been advocating for an open Dashwood. You know, we asked
for emergency only. We were able to get temporary emergency only. This is not the
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same as Three Corners where the property in question was in a complete pinwheel, but
ultimately I'm asking for the same thing. You know, I'm asking to limit connectivity by
doing at least a temporary emergency only and -- and Laura, you know, her comments
are spot on. You know, it's exactly what I have tried to suggest, which is including at the
neighborhood meeting in February, which is, you know, that's -- if folks really want, you
know, closure on this, the -- the best way to get there is to make an application vacate
and the Idaho Code for that is 40-203. There is a process and it involves in most instances
the homeowners who live on each side of the -- of the property to be vacated. Until that
right of way at Dashwood on the north side is vacated I do think it's going to be a tough
row to hoe to get that to be anything but a temporary emergency access. But, again,
that's -- that's what we have asked for. We have asked for it to be an emergency access
and, you know, we hope will be, you know, at some point given some credit for that by
the neighbors. I think with that I think those are the -- the issues that I wanted to follow
up on. Happy to answer any follow-up questions that the Commissioners might have.
Fitzgerald: Thanks, Hethe. Commissioners, do you have questions for the applicant?
Pitzer: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Pitzer.
Pitzer: Thank you. Mr. Hethe, in looking over the -- the many, many, many letters and
the other testimonies, alternative plats or -- or -- or designs have been submitted. Have
you taken a look at those and make any considerations for alternate designs, especially
some that would offer some calming -- traffic calming, other than this direct route that --
that is shown here?
Clark: Mr. Chair, Commissioner Pitzer, I became aware of those as alternatives probably
six weeks ago. Had a number of conversations with Malissa and the board via e-mail
about those. I provided comments, my -- my impressions of them. This was, you know,
after we had had our two meetings and after the neighborhood meeting, but I did try to
take all of that into account. It appears to me that most of those are dependent on Della
punching -- so, the -- the north -- the east-west road on the north, those plans are largely
dependent on that punching through all the way to Centrepoint. That is something that is
based on the currently approved road configuration that ACHD has approved here. The
-- Della cannot punch through. If-- and that's because of the -- the layout and the safety
issues with regard to the way that the intersections were arrived. Now, if you were to
modify that and push Centrepoint over I think you raised a whole list of other questions.
Now, again, this is the road configuration that -- that ACHD has approved. I think if you
move off of that what you end up doing is you push the Centrepoint off to the east, you
end up bisecting your mixed use regional properties, which are -- are pretty narrow in the
first place. If you do that what you are going to end up with is you are going to have
Jasmine having the same issues that Della would otherwise have and you are creating
an issue for our neighbors to the west. So, as I look at it I see this as -- yeah. Again this
is the road configuration that ACHD has approved, but I think if you go these other routes
that you actually start creating more problems than you solve.
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Fitzgerald: Hethe, quick question. At the end of Dashwood right now --
Clark: Yep.
Fitzgerald: -- does it currently have a sign that says stub street will be extended in the
future?
Clark: I'm not -- Mr. Chair, I'm not aware that they do. But I would -- I would show one
thing. Can I have the backup slide list.
Fitzgerald: And maybe, Sonya, can you look -- is there any signage out there currently
on extension --
Allen: Extension of Dashwood, Chairman?
Fitzgerald: Yes. Yes, ma'am.
Allen: I am not sure.
Clark: So, Mr. Chair, this is what you see out there. You have two cul-de-sacs on either
side of Dashwood and, then, you have Dashwood that continues down and, then, has an
extension on the cul-de-sac into the property boundary. I'm not aware of how it's been
signed in the past. Again, I'm -- I am not the person here asking for Dashwood to be fully
opened right now. So, just keep that in mind. But it does look -- it does look different
than the other cul-de-sacs on either side. Again, we want it to be a temporary emergency.
We want people to be able to ride their bikes and walk from Alpine Pointe down to the
shopping areas. You know, we think that's appropriate and that's what we have asked
for. But it does look significantly different than the two cul-de-sacs immediately on either
side of it.
Pitzer: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Pitzer.
Pitzer: I can -- I can speak to that sign. I walk that area and since I have been here since
2015 there has never been a sign on that corner.
Fitzgerald: Thank you for the information.
Seal: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Seal.
Seal: Just a quick-- I mean even --even with the emergency-- making that an emergency
connection with only the one ingress-egress, doesn't that limit them to what they can do
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as far as how many lots they can have available? I think it limits them to 30 lots or
something like that.
Clark: Mr. Chair, Commissioner Seal, with the emergency that satisfies the 30 lot
limitation. It's only if you have a single ingress-egress that you are limited to 30.
Seal: Okay. So, essentially, it's just the -- it's a fire department emergency access
requirement not --
Clark: That's correct. Yes.
Seal: Okay.
McCarvel: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner McCarvel.
McCarvel: Looking at this -- to the Rogue River from the west is going to eventually
connect up there with Jasmine.
Clark: Commissioner McCarvel, are you asking me if they will connect?
McCarvel: Yeah. Either you or Sonya.
Clark: That -- that's my understanding. Sonya might have more insight.
Allen: Chairman, Commissioner McCarvel, I'm sorry, could you repeat the question?
McCarvel: The Rogue River to the west is going to connect with Jasmine as well with
future development or is that not in the plan?
Allen: With the future development of the property directly to the east?
McCarvel: West.
Allen: Yes, that would be required to be extended when that property redevelops, just --
just like Dashwood. Unless otherwise approved by Council. There is a clause in city
code that if access via local street is available and that's --that's what applies in this case,
that access should be taken from the local street and that's like rather than an arterial and
collector street. And in the case of Rogue River that would be -- that would be the only
access if -- if this property develops there would also be a local street access stub from
this property that would be extended.
McCarvel: Right. Okay.
Fitzgerald: Do you have follow-up, Commissioner McCarvel?
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McCarvel: No. I just wanted to make sure I was understanding it, because I thought I
heard somebody mentioned before Rogue River will come in from the west to Jasmine,
as well as Centrepoint is going to be connected on the east side of Jasmine.
Fitzgerald: Additional questions for the applicant or staff?
Cassinelli: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Cassinelli.
Cassinelli: Sonya, are you aware of where Centrepoint is designed to -- to punch out to
Wainwright in the future, was that always -- right now it's just I guess a common lot for
better description there between the -- the commercial and the residential. Was -- what
was that -- what was that strip of land? Was that --was that an easement for a connector
through there or a collector through it, excuse me, or was that a common lot part of one
of the other developments?
Allen: Chairman, Commissioner Cassinelli, Commissioners, I believe it's unopened right
of way. I do not know when it originated though.
Clark: Commissioner Cassinelli, I would just add to that. It's my understanding that that
is ACHD right of way and that there is a road trust in place to pay for the construction of
that that the -- the original developer put up. That's my understanding.
Cassinelli: So, there was a -- there was a purpose there for that to be a road coming
down through there at some point in the future?
Allen: Chairman, Commissioner Cassinelli, yes, that is where the master street map
depicts a collector street connection to Wainwright.
Cassinelli: Okay.
Fitzgerald: And so they have to vacate the commercial entrance to that office complex
or whatever the -- for -- odd thing is to the west? Would that be two curb cuts like right
next to each other?
Allen: Chairman Fitzgerald, I would assume. So I don't know ACHD's plans long term.
Pitzer: Mr. Chair? Again, I walk this area. That is what our neighborhood considers the
grassy knoll. It's -- it's completely grassed in at the very end of the street at Wainwright.
There are utility boxes and it's just grass all the way down. There is no signage on it to
indicate that there would be a street or anything there. It's always been just a grassy area
between the subdivisions. It looks like a buffer zone between the subdivision and the
commercial.
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Fitzgerald: Thank you for that. Hethe, do you have any additional comments before we
close, sir?
Clark: No, Mr. Chair. Thanks, everyone. And this went -- I felt like the process is -- is
pretty smooth. So, appreciate everybody's participation on this.
Fitzgerald: We appreciate you being here. Thank you. Any additional questions or
comments for staff or for the applicant before we close the public hearing?
Seal: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Seal.
Seal: And this is more of a legal question, but as far as the marking of -- of Dashwood
Place, I mean it's -- it's been reported over and over that that was not marked for
extension. Is there some legality behind that as far as the posting of that, what needs to
be there, what needs to be posted, how long it needs to be posted?
Fitzgerald: Sonya or Bill, can you handle that or maybe Andrea or Ted?
Allen: Chairman, I'm not aware of any requirement that ACHD post stub streets for future
extension, but they do try to do that so that residents are aware that it is not a dead end
street.
Pogue: Mr. Chair, Ted Baird signed off after the first agenda item and I am in agreement
with Sonya, I'm not aware of any requirement.
Fitzgerald: Thank you very much, ma'am.
Parsons: Yeah. Mr. Chair, Members of the Commission, it's -- more than likely it's a --
it's an ACHD requirement. That was probably -- typically what -- when we see that it's --
it's in an ACHD staff report for that subdivision and, yes, there is -- typically there is a
condition that's says that needs to be signed notice that this will be extended in the future.
Why that didn't occur we don't know. We will have to go back through the public record
and look at that.
Seal: But that's not a legal requirement I guess is more my question.
Parsons: It's not a city. It's an ACHD requirement and they are the ones that require that
to be signed. That's why when you look on Google Earth you will see the barricades up
there, but when I look at Google Earth and drop the guy down on the street there, there
is somebody with an RV and a truck blocking in the barricade, so I can't tell what's actually
there to verify whether or not there is a sign. They are usually pretty small, like a no
parking sign on a cul-de-sac. So, they are not a great big sign that stands out to people,
though. I can be honest -- to be honest with you. They are pretty small.
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Fitzgerald: So, you have got -- that's where I was going, Bill. That was exactly what I
thought. So, I was wanting to ask the question. So, appreciate it.
Parsons: Yeah. I can -- I can look at the conditions of approval really quick and see what
was approved back with the preliminary plat.
Johnson: Mr. Chair, this is Chris. You have had some folks who have provided testimony
already raising their hands at this point and throughout the last few moments. I -- I believe
you have closed that, but I wanted to let you know there -- there are questions I believe
coming from them.
Fitzgerald: Thanks, Chris. They are asking to testify or they are asking to ask questions?
Johnson: I can only see a raised hand. So, if you would like to allow them to let you
know what they want you can do that, but you can close it up and have Mr. Clark --
Fitzgerald: Commissioners, I -- we have allowed public testimony and we have folks who
want a second chance. We usually do not do that when we go to close, but is there
questions out there for the HOA? Anybody have a problem with me allowing Mrs. Bernard
to talk for a second and we will allow Hethe to close?
Seal: I think that's appropriate with everything that's been presented.
Pitzer: I concur.
Fitzgerald: Chris, will you unmute Mrs. Bernard. And, Malissa, can you hear us?
Bernard: I'm showing -- oh, hello. I'm showing up right now. I just want to say that
Dashwood Place has never been signed. It's all in the public testimony. This has been
submitted through pictures of how this has always looked. It's never been signed. We
have got people who have lived here since 2010 who said it's never been signed and also
by definition place also means a closed cul-de-sac or a dead end. Now, when people are
buying properties, if it says court or place, that infers that it's a dead end. So, by the
misnomer of Dashwood Place and its creation in 2005 for a landlocked parcel that does
not exist now, that kind of nullifies the need for this stub. So, that's what we are pushing
for. It is within Planning and Zoning to recommend it to be closed and it's also within the
City Council's power to do so. So, number one, we didn't have a sign. Number two, you
have got this -- it's named as a place, which by definition means a very limited street to
traffic. Thank you.
Fitzgerald: Thank you for that. So, any comments there? I think the -- the challenge I
have -- and I will turn to my planning team, because they know this better, but when you
have a Snoopy or a big wide open cul-de-sac like this that's flat on one end, usually it's
going to be extended. That's just -- and I will let Hethe close with comments around that.
Naming principles are not always -- that's -- we submit that to the mail -- to the post office
for approval, not to Planning and Zoning always. So, there are some -- there are
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challenges always. They are -- not always the places and courts that always match up
perfectly. So, I will let Hethe respond there and, then, let the Planning and Zoning staff
respond as well.
Clark: Sure. Thank --thank you, Mr. Chair. The -- I don't know that I would add anything
more to that. Again, I am in a bit of a pinch point here with the position that I'm actually
advocating, but that is -- in order for that to be public right of way would have been
dedicated on the plat is the only thing I would add to what Mr. Chair said and I would
leave it at that.
Fitzgerald: Sonya or Bill, do you have anything else to add on that piece?
Allen: Yes. Chairman. Commissioners. When a -- when a right of way is stubbed to a
property line such as this, the road is meant to be extended, as opposed to just a cul-de-
sac that does not have right of way extended to the property line. This did have a cul-de-
sac for emergency vehicle turnaround is the reason the cul-de-sac is there, but it also has
right of way stubbed to the property line, which indicates that it was intended to be
extended in the future. Again, I can't remember if I mentioned this earlier, if I -- or if I got
sidetracked on another thought, but code does require the street to be extended, but it
also has a provision for a Council waiver of that provision. So, anyway, just be aware of
that, if it is your desire to make any recommendations to Council on the extension of
Dashwood. Thank you.
Fitzgerald: Thanks, Sonya. Any additional comments before we close the public
hearing?
Cassinelli: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Cassinelli.
Cassinelli: Sonya, can you -- can you just elaborate on that last point you made. Can --
does Council have the -- the authority to -- to -- to make that a permanent closure or that
-- that would have to definitely go through ACHD?
Allen: The City Council does have authority to act on it through our city code. ACHD also
has authority over it. So, as I mentioned earlier, both -- both entities would need to agree
to that in order for it not to be extended.
Cassinelli: Thank you.
Allen: Otherwise, if one entity required it to extend -- you know, that's -- that's what they
would be required to do with this development.
Fitzgerald: Thanks, ma'am. Bill, did you have any other follow up there?
Cassinelli: No. I'm good. Thank you.
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Fitzgerald: If there is no other comments or questions, can I get a motion to close the
public hearing?
Cassinelli: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Cassinelli.
Cassinelli: I move to closed the public hearing for Delano Subdivision, H-2019-002 -- am
I on the right one? I'm not. Yeah. H-2019-0027.
Seal: Second.
McCarvel: Second.
Fitzgerald: I have a motion and a second to close public hearing on H-2019-0027. All
those in favor say aye. Any opposed? Motion passes.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Fitzgerald: Okay. Friends and neighbors, this -- this application is properly before you.
Do you have any kick-off thoughts? There is a lot to take in.
Seal: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Seal.
Seal: Just looking at it, I mean I would commend the applicant on, you know, changing
the configuration, you know, I mean trying -- trying to fit this thing in here and satisfy
everybody is -- has got to be a daunting task for sure. I like what they have done on the
-- on the north and the west boundaries. I'm -- I'm a fan of leaving the west boundary as
a single story. I just think that's going to help everybody in the future as far as what the
transition needs to look like and the lot that may or may not develop to the west, as well
as to the people that currently inhabit it. Looking at the -- the way it's laid out as far as
the race track element to it, I mean before where it was kind of a loop that went in there
and the way that it lined up I could see what -- what happened there, but the offset on it
and the way that that goes up into the Delano, I mean in -- in and of itself that's a bit of a
-- a traffic mitigation. I live on the corner of a through street and having the other streets
come into it at an angle is something that slows everybody down. Obviously, not
everybody, but, you know, most everybody that intends on obeying the law. You know,
looking at -- at the Alpine Pointe as far as it being over connected. I mean if we are just
looking at Alpine -- Alpine Pointe, I agree with that statement, but we are looking at this
subdivision and this subdivision is going to be -- if we limit it to one ingress-egress and,
then, an emergency, to me that's under connected. I mean that -- that's very limiting to
the people that live in there as far as the function of being able to get in and out. You
know, being able to have some of them go north, have some of them go south is -- I mean
it's -- it's healthy as far as that says -- as the subdivision that we are looking at -- the
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development that we are looking at going in. So, as much as I -- you know, I would
personally hate to live on something that is a cul-de-sac and, then, have it opened up.
That said, even looking at the -- I looked at the same Google Earth street view and you
can plainly see that the pavement goes all the way up to the fence, which is not normal.
Generally that would be a sidewalk and there is a big red sign there indicating that that's
a blocked road, even though -- even though there is a fence that separates the two pieces
of property. So, should there have been a sign up that said, you know, this street to be
continued in the future, more than likely and, hopefully, there is not a legal recourse for
that. That's -- that's one of my concerns about moving forward with this. But that will
probably play out at a different time. I did like the feedback from the individual that talked
about the trees on the southwestern exposure there. I mean if they are good, healthy
trees it would be a good idea to try and keep them in there. I'm sure they appreciate them
for privacy and everything else on that side. Other than that, I mean we kind of got to
work with what we have here. We -- we don't really know when these other streets are
going to go in and how they are going to go in. As far as connecting into the -- you know,
the existing cul-de-sac there, it's -- even from the ACHD point of view, it's -- it -- it's -- it's
going to happen. That street is going to become a through -- you know, that street will
connect through and, again, it's not so that Alpine -- Alpine Pointe can have more
connectivity, it's so that this subdivision -- this development has enough connectivity and
I think that ACHD or, you know, the city otherwise would be hard pressed to not recognize
that. So, you know, again, I like what's been done here. I know that it's probably been
pretty hard to put it in. I mean the point on the schools -- I mean, you know me, I'm always
willing to step up for the schools, but I know that there is another high school that's going
to open up. It's scheduled to open up. Rocky Mountain High School numbers are going
to come down. They have some provisions in place to open up another middle school.
So, I mean all of that is within spec. You know, they are -- they have come a long way
with everything and I -- you know, I think that they have done as much as they possibly
can in order to get this thing to go in.
Holland: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Holland.
Holland: I think Commissioner Seal had a lot of my similar comments. I think the
applicant's come a long way since the last time we saw this project. It looks like they
have worked through a lot of the issues that we had with them previously and I like the --
the way that they have allocated the park space. I think that looks like a nice amenity for
this loop and I certainly feel for the neighbors that are up on the north side, but they had
a number of stub streets that were planned into their community and I understand also
where the city's coming from and wanting to enforce those stub streets, because even
though it sounds counterintuitive, the more access points you have in a neighborhood the
less of an impact you actually feel from those access points, because they are more
connected. So, there is kind of a Catch 22 on how many you really should have and I
certainly feel for them. I -- you know, I -- if I lived off Dashwood Place I would certainly
be concerned as well about turning that in, but I think they have done what they can to try
and mitigate some of the concerns of how traffic will route through there in the way that
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they have designed the neighborhood to come through there. Hopefully they won't see a
lot of cut-through traffic and once Centrepoint Way is constructed I think it will be better.
Again, it's unfortunate that we have got two points of connection that close together and
maybe once Centrepoint is -- is open, then, Dashwood could become an emergency type
access only. I would be more comfortable if Centrepoint went through currently, but
without it going through it's tough. I see why -- why staff and ACHD want to have that
connection point. To the couple of items that they asked for amendments on, Item 1-D
of restricting the home -- or not restricting the homes on the west side, I would agree. I
think single family is probably a safer bet, just to, you know, protect what's going to
happen in the future, but I would be okay with them doing single story with a bonus room,
because those are facing forward. So, maybe that's a concession we can make that gives
them a little bit more room for square footage if they are looking to add a bonus room.
They are usually front facing. They don't tend to impact behind neighbors. But maybe
that's an option we could throw forward for them. And, then, for Item 2-B, they wanted to
remove -- I don't see a big concern with them waiting to do the buffer and sidewalk on the
east side of Centrepoint until the third phase, because that's when they will start really
looking into it. I would hate to see them have to build something that has to get ripped
out later, so I don't see a concern with either one of the requests that were out there.
Yeah. I don't know. It's -- it's definitely a tough project and one that we gave a lot of
thought to last time it came through to us. It's hard for some of these in-fill projects and
it's hard to do them exactly the way that, you know, you envision them, but I think they
have done a thoughtful job of trying to hear all the concerns and trying to come up with
the best plat that they can come up with. That's my thoughts for now.
Fitzgerald: Additional comments? I -- in the midstream I think we are going to start seeing
these more often -- as an in-fill discussion, especially with the new comp plan. It's
prepping for that. So, I think this is going to be more normal than not and I think we are
going to have to be creative, because it's hard to do in-fill, so --
McCarvel: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Oh. Commissioner McCarvel. Commissioner Grove, you can hop in next,
sir.
McCarvel: Okay. Yeah. I like the -- what they have done. It's night and day from what
was presented last year and I think that transition on the north -- you have really only got
-- with the exception of that one pie shaped lot, you really only -- you have got a two to
one transition pretty much there. So, I think those lots are fine and I do I like the comments
with the trees. If those are salvageable that would be nice. Yeah. And, unfortunately, I
-- I feel for the homeowners on Dashwood, but that is a different shaped cul-de-sac. I
would -- if I was living there I think I would have assumed that was going through. That
being said, you know, at some point -- you know. And maybe it's a year down the road,
maybe it's ten years down the road, but if Centrepoint and Rogue River are connected, I
think they could petition at that point to have it vacated and just see how things are going.
But I agree, I mean we have got -- it's the connectivity of this subdivision that's lacking at
this time. So, I guess that's where I'm at on those.
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Fitzgerald: Commissioner Grove. Sorry, sir.
Grove: So, this is my first time seeing this, obviously, and I'm not as familiar as everybody
else is with this project, so kind of coming at it with some fresh eyes. You know, I --
looking back at what they proposed last time versus what they are proposing now, I see
that they have made some, you know, major adjustments. And I don't have it pulled up
right in front of me, but it was like 20 houses fewer and, then, before, which in a
development the size of -- pretty large number to dwindle down. So, I applaud them on
-- on working to address the neighborhood concerns. I like what they have done. I would
echo what AIIi and Sonya said about seeing if there is a way to keep those existing trees.
I don't know exactly what that would look like or mean, but having mature trees definitely
would enhance this project quite a bit. But other than that, you know, I don't want to
reiterate everything that has been said before, but I agree with the statements of the
previous Commissioners, so --
Fitzgerald: Thanks, sir. Commissioner Cassinelli, were you getting ready to --
Cassinelli: Mr. Chair. I think so. Has everybody -- I'm not stepping on somebody's time
here.
Fitzgerald: Go right ahead, sir.
Cassinelli: I applaud the applicant's efforts to better transition the lots on the north. They
did take them down. I know the folks there along -- in Alpine Pointe would like to see
even larger lots, but I think they have done a good job there. My biggest issue -- and,
really, the only way that -- that I think I would support this is to go along with the app --
and it was the applicant that actually petitioned ACHD to close off Dashwood. I -- this is
a -- this isn't a huge area here with 60 something. You know, once Centrepoint comes
out there will be good north -- north-south flow. I -- I would like to see him stick with the
ACHD acceptance of keeping Dashwood closed for ten years and that would, I think give
the opportunity to Alpine Pointe residents to petition ACHD. I think eventually when --
when Centrepoint punches up to Wainwright this area is going to -- it's going to have flow.
They can get out-- eventually Jasmine to Rogue River I think was the name of that street.
You know, as far as the pinwheel and this one it's -- it's small enough I don't think that --
that that's an issue, but I'm -- and a couple other points where the -- I like what
Commissioner Holland suggested on -- on the lots to the R-8 on the -- on the west side,
perhaps allowing -- keep the single story, allow I guess a -- a bonus up would -- I would
be in favor of that. But, again, I would want to see the -- I would want to see them following
the -- the ACHD recommendation on Dashwood to -- to close that as emergency exit and
pedestrian for ten years or until Centrepoint is completed. I mean that's -- I feel strong
about that. I think it's a -- it would be a lot of traffic goes -- that people in Brickyard would
be funneling out that and I -- I think that -- that would be an intense burden on that street
when that -- when that happens. I think -- I think the Brickyard and everything else --
Hobby Lobby, all those need to be forced onto Centrepoint and -- unless that's -- that's
maintained as an emergency exit -- access I don't see that happening. So, other than
that I would -- I do like what they have done. They have -- there has been a lot of
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concessions, but I would want to see Dashwood remain closed to emergency and
pedestrian at this time. And that's all I have to say.
Fitzgerald: Thanks, sir. Commissioner Pitzer.
Pitzer: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm going to -- I'm going to say I do like that the
density has been lower. The larger lots along the north -- northern boundary I think could
be bigger, but they are what they are. I know 6,050 -- six hundred is not making a big
difference. They did lose I believe three lots is what they lost along that -- or that they
changed along the northern boundary. I am deeply concerned about the race track. I
know that you took the path of least resistance, anything to stay off of Eagle Road and
where most of this traffic is coming down Centrepoint, I believe Centrepoint, from what I
read, was supposed to be a mirror of Records. Records only goes down behind the
commercial, as is Centrepoint. It does not go against any forward facing homes when it
gets to the subdivision, because it turns and I think that is what is -- is missing here. By
allowing Dashwood to go through we are allowing the through traffic to go all the way
from Ustick all the way down to McMillan and -- and, like I said, it will take no time at all
for people to figure that out and -- and make that a thoroughfare without any calming. If
the roads were to go through the subdivision in a different fashion, then, I could see where
you would have some calming. There is no calming with this as it is. I also think that
there could be a stub street. I think that there -- the design -- I'm all for in-fill, so I know
something has to go back in there. Something will go back in there, I'm just -- I think this
configuration is the wrong configuration for this at this time. The ACHD records that I
looked at said that they can put a stub street when the stub -- when the Wong property
eventually sells to go all the way through to Centrepoint. I think it's -- I think this is
premature. I think that there -- we have one chance at this to get it right and I commend
Boll Cook for coming together with the HOA and -- and trying to make this work, but I just
see too many flaws for me to support it with the plat that's presented.
Fitzgerald: Additional comments?
Holland: Mr. Chair, it looks like Sonya might be trying to speak.
Fitzgerald: Sonya, were you hopping in there?
Allen: Mr. Chair, Sonya is not trying to speak. Thank you for the -- thank you for the eye
out though, Commissioner Holland.
Holland: It said on the top of my screen Sonya speaking, so --
Allen: I don't know why. Thank you.
Fitzgerald: To be -- I think the applicant has done a good job of balancing what everybody
is trying to do. I do see where -- Commissioner Cassinelli's point in some of the comments
have been made where the thoroughfare back there can be mitigated with other streets
later on and so I -- I'm amenable if we want to make an emergency access. I think there
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-- there is a boat load of residences in the Brickyard that will find other ways to get out
and I know that will happen. So, I don't want to significantly impact the folks on whatever
that can run a street in -- the -- excuse me. I got too many things in my head. But I -- I
do think there has got to be a way to vacate that at some point or when it's necessary.
So, just my thoughts. I'm good with Commissioner Holland's comments in regards to
bonus rooms, if that's something that we want to do as a -- as a kind of happy medium.
But that's -- there is a lot of things to take into this and a lot of-- a lot of feelings that have
gone around it in regards to the last year we have been doing this conversation. So,
think -- but I do think it's a balance between the media density that's there and the buffer
that is the Brickyard right now. I think there is -- trying to find something that balances
and that slowly kind of brings a transition. You are not going to find very much more
balance there. So, it's challenging.
McCarvel: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner McCarvel.
McCarvel: Yeah. I think I would be supportive of this being emergency only for the ten
years. That would give this time to play out just a little bit more and that the residents
could petition to vacate as other stuff opens up around there.
Holland: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Holland.
Holland: I think I can be open to seeing it be an emergency and pedestrian access, too.
I don't know if ACHD and staff would accept that and maybe we just make that
recommendation to Council, let them deliberate, but I certainly see the concerns and as
long as there is enough access and they feel confident people can get in and out of there
-- as long as there is still at least an emergency access point where maybe bollards or
something like that where if there is something -- a fire or whatever in the neighborhood,
people can get out if needed. I would feel more comfortable with that, too.
Fitzgerald: I think that gives -- I still think they would like to have access to that
commercial space and by giving them emergency and pedestrian opportunity to get
through there, that won't add additional traffic, but it will give them connectivity through
walking and biking. So, I think it's a balance.
Grove: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Yes, sir. Commissioner Grove.
Grove: Just on that point, one of the pieces in the staff report was regarding the pathway
and how it would follow Centrepoint I believe. But without it going all the way through
there is a lack of pedestrian walkway through this development, so by making that an
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emergency access pedestrian walkway that would help alleviate some of the -- that
walking connectivity through this in-fill project.
Fitzgerald: Additional comments?
Parsons: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Yes, sir. Go ahead, Bill.
Parson: Yeah. I just -- I just want to speak up on behalf of this vacation process that's
been discussed this evening and just to be clear on the record, the city is a recommending
body on vacation applications to ACHD. They are the decision makers on that sort of
application. But looking at -- there is eight homes that take access off of that roadway
and there is nothing in code that would allow that road to be vacated and allow them to
have access per city code. So, more than likely if the applicant was going to vacate that,
city staff would not support that, because we can't. Those homes need to have certain
frontages and meet code and take access from a local of street per our -- or access from
a street -- a public street and so -- and there is city utilities in that roadway that were
constructed with that subdivision. So, the likelihood of getting support for vacating that
roadway is probably pretty minimal. That's not -- probably wouldn't happen. And so I just
-- I just want to be very clear on the record that there is lots of things to take into
consideration when we are talking about vacating right of way and in this particular stance,
looking at what's already developed in the area, more than likely I don't see ACHD or the
city supporting that -- that option to move forward with a vacation application. But, again,
thank you for your time. I just wanted to be clear on the record for that --with that request.
Or at least that portion of the testimony that came in tonight.
Fitzgerald: So, basically, you are saying you are just a buzzkill.
Parsons: Yeah. I'm Debbie Downer tonight.
Fitzgerald: No. I appreciate the insight. Thank you. Commissioner Holland, go right
ahead.
Holland: Mr. Chair, just a follow up for Bill. So, Bill, if we made a recommendation that
that would become an emergency and pedestrian access, rather than a vacation request,
would that make it any different to you in the comment just made?
Parsons: No. I think the Commission's had the appropriate testimony on that this
evening, stating the findings that there is other options for connectivity in the future.
ACHD has made a recommendation already to you this evening and they have supported
the applicant and the neighborhood to request to allow that to be a temporary emergency
access and certainly in my experience with the city, yes, the Council has granted those
requests and has -- has not required streets to stub through the developments. Now,
have we paid for that -- those decisions? Yes. That -- those always haven't been the
best decisions. We want neighborhoods to be connected. But, again, as Sonya has
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mentioned to you in her testimony, that's within your purview to make that
recommendation onto City Council and they have the ultimate decision to determine
whether or not that's in the best interest of the public to have that as an emergency only
or require that to be punched through.
Holland: Thanks, Bill.
Parsons: You're welcome.
Pitzer: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Pitzer, go right ahead, ma'am.
Pitzer: So, if we have Dashwood as a -- as a temporary emergency for ten years, can we
still have a stub street with an east-west egress to the north? They might lose one lot on
that side, but where they have a private drive that could easily become a stub street, so
they would have an additional exit for that subdivision and still keep Dashwood as a -- as
a temporary.
Fitzgerald: I think that's the concept is as the other ones get built out that one can stay
there as a temporary, but -- I mean, sorry, as an emergency access and it can almost
become permanent, if that would be our recommendation. As other streets get built out
they have other secondary accesses that are out there.
Parsons: Yeah. Certainly -- if -- if I may, Mr. Chair.
Fitzgerald: Absolutely.
Parsons: So, just like Sonya spoke to you about the code, we try -- we try to limit the
amount of access points to collector roads as well and the applicant's already proposing
one connection point to that collector street. When that property to the west develops
certainly there is another opportunity to -- to tie back into that neighborhood and also the
Champion Park neighborhood. There is actually a stub street that will be extended with
that -- two stub streets that are stubbed to the property to the west of the property that we
are discussing this evening. So, we certainly have it set up in that area to where these
neighborhoods will connect if it was the Commission's desire not to require that to be
extended at this time and have it as an emergency access only. So, I don't -- in my
opinion I'm not a -- I'm not a transportation planner, but I don't think there is a need for
another stub street to Centrepoint Way from this development. The one should be fine
with the emergency access and still meet Fire Department code and city code.
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Pitzer, did you have any follow up there? Or did that answer
your question?
Pitzer: No. Thank you. Thank you, Bill. Thank you.
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Cassinelli: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Cassinelli.
Cassinelli: If I can just get clarification from Bill. Are you saying that -- that the city would
oppose a -- if Alpine Pointe were to seek a permanent closure on Dashwood, even after
Centrepoint went through, if there was -- if there was additional connectivity out Jasmine?
Parsons: Would we oppose the connectivity? I guess I'm not following you --
Cassinelli: Correct.
Parsons: -- Commissioner. Are you --
Cassinelli: If you -- so, if -- if tonight in addition is that we follow that -- that we actually
are in support of ACHD's recommendation that this become a temporary -- Dashwood
become a temporary emergency, so it's emergency and pedestrian only temporarily for
ten years or until Centrepoint was through, if the residents of -- of Alpine Pointe were to
petition ACHD to make that permanent, are you saying that you would oppose that is my
question.
Parsons: Well, what I was -- Mr. Chair, Members of the Commission, Commissioner
Cassinelli, what I was speaking to the city would not be able to support the request to
vacate the right of way, to prohibit the extension of that roadway. We -- we just can't
because of the infrastructure that's in there. But certainly if the City Council wants to
make that a permanent closure they can certainly do that in their deliberations as it moves
forward. I'm not sure if they will have the appetite to go against what ACHD has put on
the table with the ten years. A lot can change in ten years. Maybe the connectivity wants
to be there in ten years given all the other properties may have develop around it and it
may make sense to extend it or ten years from now maybe all the roads are connected
and we decide it's not warranted and they can revisit that with ACHD in ten years from
now. But either way my point was we couldn't support the vacation of the right of way to
-- to disallow the connection of the roadway.
Allen: Mr. Chair?
Cassinelli: I --
Fitzgerald: Hold one second. Bill, do you want to finish or follow up?
Cassinelli: I just want -- yeah. Sorry. Not that -- not to be vacating it, but just to have it
a -- maintain that emergency access only. Or are you saying -- is that the same as
vacating the right of way?
Parsons: No. Vacating the right of way and creating a permanent emergency access are
two different things. Vacating the right of way means you vacate it --
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Cassinelli: Okay.
Parsons: -- and it becomes private property and the homeowners buy it back and they
don't have -- no one has the right to use it, but those who own the property. It's no longer
public -- public land. It becomes private property and we don't want to create eight
homeowners trying to determine who is going to maintain that in the future and the city
doesn't want to have to execute independent easements with eight different property
owners to have access over their sewer and water mains. It's going to get messy for us.
So, that's why I said vacation, in my opinion, is not an option at this point. The option is
the Commission wants it to be a temporary emergency access as approved by ACHD
commission. You have that authority to -- to recommend that to City Council and City
Council will determine whether or not they want it to be a permanent emergency access
or side with ACHD and make it -- have a ten year -- ten year extension on that and we
revisit it later -- at a later date or until such time as that Centrepoint is connected. Again,
we made our recommendation to this body. Sonya was very clear that she's asked for it
to be extended with the first phase and we have to. That's what our code tells us to do.
We are just doing our jobs and letting you know that it is our policy and our ordinance to
require stub streets to be extended and this is a stub street that we think needs to be
extended and provide access is this development. So, again, it's within your purview to
make a recommendation based on the testimony that you heard this evening and let the
City Council determine what the course -- what decision -- what decision they want to
make on that -- that topic.
Allen: So, Mr. Chair?
Cassinelli: Thank you. That's clear.
Fitzgerald: Yes. Sonya, go right ahead.
Allen: This is Sonya. I just have a follow up to Bill's comments. So, just to reiterate, as
it -- as it sits today ACHD is requiring Dashwood to eventually extend as a public street
once Centrepoint goes through. If Council determines that they don't want to see
Dashwood extend as a public street in the future, that could be part of their approval, in
which case the applicant could possibly request to vacate from ACHD the portion of the
right of way, which is approximately ten feet at the terminus of the cul-de-sac. That would,
then, allow the public utilities, the city services, to remain in Dashwood for those lots to
have their street frontage and all the items that Bill mentioned. I'm not saying whether
the city would be supportive of that, just saying that might be an option if Council were
determined that they didn't feel it was appropriate for Dashwood to extend in the future.
So, I just wanted to throw that out. Thank you.
Fitzgerald: Appreciate it. I think that -- I mean in my thought process the -- by giving a
ten year, leaving it where ACHD did, it gives us a window to look at what else connects
in there in ten years. I don't want to vacate anything right now. I think by putting it in as
a temporary emergency access, it lets the homeowners know that there is a discussion
that's taking place between the city and ACHD and there is connections that are going to
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happen, hopefully, with additional development around them and they can raise the
termination then and get ready-- get their ducks in a row and prep for what's coming. But
it doesn't -- I give the applicant a ton of credit for stepping up and saying even though this
is not what I know the city wants, I'm going to do what the owners are asking me to do
and that is to make that road Dashwood an emergency access for this period of time. I
mean it gives us a snapshot window.
Pitzer: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Pitzer.
Cassinelli: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: One second, Commissioner Cassinelli. Commissioner Pitzer, go ahead.
Pitzer: Thank you. Sorry about that. So, I was just looking --
Cassinelli: No, I just -- go -- go ahead. Go ahead.
Pitzer: Thank you. The Zebulon Heights No. 2, it looks like on -- on the City Council,
from what I'm looking at, it looks like ACHD approved Dashwood as a cul-de-sac and that
the City of Meridian City Council back in 2009 wanted the -- Dashwood to be a street so
that it would not Iandlock the southern parcel. So, in answer to that there was no
instruction there to -- to add signage like it did on Rogue River, but it looks like they -- like
they wanted to have that connectivity, so that that parcel would not be landlocked when
Jasmine Street was -- was vacated, so --
Fitzgerald: That is kind of what Bill and Sonya have outlined. That's the --
Pitzer: That's correct. Correct. I was just saying I found that in the -- in the record.
Fitzgerald: That makes good texture. Thank you very much for that. That's great
information. Commissioner Holland, do you have anything you wanted to -- I think you
have kept -- tried to talk a couple times and I cut you off. I apologize.
Holland: No. I'm good. I think Commissioner Cassinelli had something to share. I'm
ready to attempt making a motion, but I will wait until everybody is done discussing first.
Fitzgerald: Yeah. Commissioner Cassinelli, go ahead. I cut you off, sir.
Cassinelli: Well, I -- and I was -- I was also going to attempt to make a motion, but --
Fitzgerald: Go for it, man.
Cassinelli: What's that?
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Fitzgerald: Go for it. If you have got it, go for it.
Cassinelli: I think she raised her hand first, but I will -- I will give it a go, see how it -- see
how it sounds. So, after considering all staff, applicant, and public testimony, I move to
recommend approval to the City Council of file number H-2019-0027, as presented in the
staff report for the hearing date of April 16th, 2020, with the following modifications:
Number one, that-- that we recommend to City Council to follow ACHD's approval on that
connection of Dashwood as a temporary emergency access with pedestrian connection
until Centrepoint Way is extended to Wainwright or within ten years, whichever occurs
first. Maintain the single story lots on the -- homes on the west side. I'm -- I am okay with
eliminating condition 2-D to finish -- I believe that's the one to finish -- to curb and gutter
the east side of Centrepoint until such time as the multi-family is developed in phase three
and also work with -- want to phrase it right -- on the -- on the trees. That the applicant
would work to keep as many of the mature trees along Jasmine on the southern portion
as possible.
Seal: I think that the 2-13, Bravo, is the -- the one for them to eliminate the need for the
stub on Centrepoint Way as it comes up on the east side. And -- and there is already
something in -- that discusses the trees basically.
Fitzgerald: Tree mitigation.
Seal: I mean in layman's terms it just says whatever the -- whatever is not cut down for
firewood should be gone through with the city mitigation standards, which is all we can
impress on that anyway.
Holland: Mr. Chair and Bill, did you want -- did you want to allow them to do bonus rooms
on the west side? In your motion. Or did you want them only to be single story?
Cassinelli: I heard some -- I heard a -- some additional feedback on that after I said
something to the effect. I would be -- I would be -- I would be amenable to --to suggesting
bonus rooms.
McCarvel: Second.
Cassinelli: On a --
Fitzgerald: Sonya and Bill, do you have a good handle on what just got laid out?
Allen: Chairman, Commissioners, this is Sonya. If I could just reiterate the motion, so to
make sure I understand.
Fitzgerald: Yes, ma'am. Please do.
Allen: You are in agreement with ACHD's approval on Dashwood and Centrepoint. You
want the homes along the west boundary to be restricted to single story, but allowed a
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bonus room. And I would like clarification whether that means no second story windows
on the back. I assume it does. Clarification on that, please. And defer the buffer in the
sidewalk on the east side of Centrepoint to phase three as requested by the applicant
and to retain as many of the existing trees as possible along the southern boundary.
Fitzgerald: Does the motion maker you want to clarify on the no windows in the bonus
room from the back? Was that what your intention was?
Cassinelli: That is -- that is my intention as Sonya laid that out.
Fitzgerald: Okay. Does the second agree?
Cassinelli: No windows in back.
McCarvel: Sure.
Fitzgerald: Okay. We have a motion and a second to recommend approval of file number
H-2019-0027 with modifications. All those in favor say aye. Any opposed? Motion
passes. Thanks, team.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Fitzgerald: Sonia, thank you for walking us through that. That was an intense one. So,
we appreciate it. Hethe, thank you for being here and for your input and good luck and
-- and that, I hope everybody's healthy and safe and we appreciate all you are doing and
please stay that way. I need one more motion.
Holland: I was going to say -- Mr. Chair, I move we adjourn the public hearing for the
Planning and Zoning Commission of April 16th, 2020.
Seal: Second.
McCarvel: Second.
Fitzgerald: All in favor? Motion passes.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 9.01 P.M.
(AUDIO RECORDING ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS.)
APPROVED
RYAN FITZGERALD - CHAIRMAN DATE APPROVED
ATTEST:
CHRIS JOHNSON - CITY CLERK
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