2019-08-15Meridian Planning and Zoning Meeting August 15, 2019.
Meeting of the Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission of August 15, 2019, was called
to order at 6:00 p.m. by Chairman Jessica Perreault.
Members Present: Chairman Jessica Perreault, Commissioner Rhonda McCarvel,
Commissioner Bill Cassinelli, Commissioner Andrew Seal and Commissioner Lisa
Holland.
Members Absent. Commissioner Ryan Fitzgerald and Commissioner Reid Olsen.
Others Present: Chris Johnson, Adrienne Weatherly, Andrea Pogue, Bill Parsons, Sonya
Allen, and Dean Willis.
Item 1: Roll -call Attendance
_X Lisa Holland Reid Olsen
_X Andrew Seal Ryan Fitzgerald
X Rhonda McCarvel X Bill Cassinelli
X Jessica Perreault - Chairman
Perreault: Good evening. At this time I would like to call to order the regularly scheduled
meeting of the Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission on August 15th, 2019. Let's
begin with roll call.
Item 2: Adoption of Agenda
Perreault: Thank you. Next is the adoption of the agenda. The first item on the agenda
-- excuse me. We will -- I apologize, I just lost my place. We will be opening items -- we
won't be opening Item A, but Items B and C and Item A will only be -- actually, we don't
need to open it at all, because they have just withdrawn. So -- okay. So, Item A we will
not be hearing this evening. The applicant has withdrawn the application. So, if you are
here for the public hearing for also Verasso Village North, we won't be having any
testimony this evening. So, can I get a motion to adopt the agenda as presented?
Seal: So moved.
Cassinelli: So moved.
Holland: Second.
Perreault: It has been moved and seconded to adopt the agenda. All those in favor say.
None opposed. Motion carries.
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MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. TWO ABSENT.
Perreault: Okay. So, we will move forward -- I don't see the Consent Agenda on -- on
the -- on this, so we don't have that; is that correct? Okay. Just want to make sure. This
is the first time I have ever seen it missing. All right. Next at this time I would like to
briefly explain the public hearing process. We will open each item individually and, then,
start with the staff report. The staff will report their findings regarding how the item
adheres to our Comprehensive Plan and our Uniform Development Code with the staffs
recommendations. After the staff has made their presentations, the applicant will come
forward to present their case for the approval of their application and will respond to any
staff comments. The applicant will have 15 minutes to do so. After they have finished
we will open to public testimony. There is a sign-up iPad in the back as you entered for
anyone wishing to testify. Any person testifying will come forward and be allowed three
minutes. I'm assuming nobody is here speaking for a larger group, since we don't have
a larger group, so we will bypass that information. After testimony has been heard the
applicant will be given another ten minutes to have opportunity to come back and respond
as they desire and, then, we will close the public hearing and the Commissioners will
have a chance to discuss and, hopefully, make a recommendation -- a decision or
recommendation to City Council.
Item 3: Action Items
A. Public Hearing for Verasso Village North (H-2019-0073) by Chad
Olsen, Located 3542 E. Tecate Ln. (Vacated from the agenda)
Request: To Modify the Current Conditional Use Permit (H-
2018-0071) to reduce the number of dwelling units from 56 to
37 and update the development plan for the site.
B. Public Hearing for Elevate Franklin Storage (H-2019-0076) by
Ten Mile Development, LLC, Located at 3755 W. Perugia St.
Request: A Conditional Use Permit for a residential storage
facility on 2.74 acres of land in an R -15 zoning district
Perreault: So, at this time I would like to open the public hearing for Elevate Franklin
Storage, H-2019-0076, and we will begin with the staff report.
Allen: All right. We are ready to go now. Sorry about that. The first application before
you is a request for a conditional use permit. This site consists of 2.74 acres of land. It's
zoned R-15 and is located at 3755 West Perugia Street. Adjacent land use and zoning.
There are existing and future multi -family residential uses to the north and west, zoned
R-15. A church to the east zoned C -N and single family residential and multi -family
residential in the development process to the south across Franklin Road, zoned R-15
and R-40. The property was annexed back in 2005 with an L -O zoning district and a
rezone that was recently approved and is in process for R-15 zoning. The
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Comprehensive Plan future land use map designation is medium high density residential
and it is in the Ten Mile interchange specific area plan. The applicant is requesting a
conditional use permit for a residential storage facility consisting of 401 storage units on
to 72.74 acres of land in an R-15 district. The proposed facility is a component of the
multi -family residential development to the north and will provide a variety of storage units
ranging in size from five feet by five feet, to ten feet by 20 feet and consists of 47,813
square feet of storage area overall. Access is proposed via West Perugia Street at the
north boundary of the development. The northwest corner right here. And an emergency
access is proposed via North Umbria Hills Avenue here at the -- along the north boundary
on the east side. A street buffer, landscaping and parking are proposed in accord with
UDC standards. The Kennedy Lateral runs along the west boundary of the site. The
Council did a previously -- previously approve the waterway to remain open and not be
piped. Building elevations were submitted for the perimeter storage structures as shown.
Construction materials are proposed to consist of ledgestone, corrugated horizontal metal
panels, flat metal panel accent bands, hardiepanel staggered edge shingles and standing
seam roof. Compliance with the standards in the architectural standards manual is
required. The manual does prohibit pre -- prefabricated steel panels as field material or
building facades, except when used with a minimum of two other qualifying field materials
and meeting all other standard fenestration and material requirements. The structure will
be reviewed for compliance with design review standards at the time of submittal of
certificate of zoning compliance and design review prior to building permits. Written
testimony has been received from Rick Stewart of Babcock Design is the applicant. He
is requesting condition of approval number B-3 in section eight of the staff report is
modified to reflect Council approval of the waiver to UDC -11-3A6 for the Kennedy Lateral
to remain open and not be tiled. Staff is recommending approval of the conditional use
permit with the change noted by the applicant. Staff will stand for questions.
Perreault: Commissioners have any questions for staff?
Cassinelli: Madam Chair?
Perreault: Commissioner Cassinelli.
Cassinelli: Sonya, so the -- you are -- you are recommending for approval with the -- with
the lateral to remain open? Is that what you're saying there then?
Allen: That is correct.
Cassinelli: Okay. And, then, Madam Chair, in the --
Allen: Council has already approved that previously.
Cassinelli: They have? Okay.
Allen: Yeah. Quite a while back.
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Cassinelli: And, then, will there be any outdoor RV storage allowed in this?
Allen: There will not be.
Cassinelli: Okay. Thank you.
Perreault: Along the lines of the lateral remaining open, I think I remember the staff
report's mention of fencing -- a fencing requirement. Can you speak to that?
Allen: Yes, Madam Chair. The fencing requirement will be in the areas where the
buildings do not abut the lateral, so where the buildings abut the lateral that will serve as
the fence.
Perreault: Okay.
Allen: And, then, the areas that don't will be required.
Perreault: Is that something we need to actually address in our motion?
Allen: I can clarify that provision in the staff report if you would like.
Perreault: I think that would be helpful. Thank you very much. Any additional questions
for staff? Okay. Thank you. Would the applicant, please, come forward. Please state
your name and address for the record.
Stewart: My name is Rick Stewart. I work for Babcock Design. I live in Boise, Idaho.
2516 -- you want my residence address or --
Perreault: Business or personal.
Stewart: Okay. Well, business is 800 West Main, Suite 940. 83702.
Perreault: Okay. Please proceed.
Stewart: Okay. In regards to the staff report, E-15 that we received, we will comply with
all of the -- all of the comments by the city, except for two we had -- we had comments
on. Two of the -- two of the city comments. So, underneath item eight, city agency
comments, item number three with the site landscape plan -- let me see here. We are
talking about the perimeter fence that -- that you guys have just touched on. So, after
speaking with Sonya this week we clarified that the building perimeter along the Kennedy
Lateral will act as the perimeter -- or the boundary to the lateral and, then, we will be
providing a wrought iron fence that is similar to the Silver Oaks development that's just to
the north along the parking area of the site plan that you see before you. And, then, the
other item was item number 3-B of the Public Works Department. Apparently there was
-- in response to all the irrigation ditches, canals, laterals and drains, exclusive of natural
waterways, intersecting crossing or laying adjacent or continuous to the area to be
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developed shall be tiled per UDC 11-3A6. It's -- the City Council waived the condition
requiring the tiling of Kennedy Lateral with previous subdivision approval. I think we have
covered this. The project should be exempt from tiling the lateral. That was the only
comments that we have.
Perreault: Thank you.
Stewart: Or responses to the city comments.
Perreault: Commissioners have any questions for the applicant?
McCarvel: Madam Chair?
Perreault: Commissioner McCarvel.
McCarvel: The staff report also mentions several -- several times in bold about the
different -- uses of different materials. Are you in agreement with the staff report on that
point?
Stewart: That is correct.
Perreault: I am under the assumption that the intention is for the -- the residents that are
in that apartment complex there to be using these to relieve some of the traffic; is that --
or that was the intention to relieve traffic along that local street there?
Stewart: That's correct.
Perreault: But this isn't specific to that complex and it's a public storage facility.
Stewart: That is correct.
Perreault: Right? And so if -- if that doesn't -- if you get several users that come from
other areas and it doesn't actually accomplish that, is that -- can you speak to that?
Someone -- I think just to have it on -- on public record.
Stewart: I guess clarifying your second comment, I'm not quite sure --
Perreault; Yeah. Absolutely. So, it really doesn't -- I guess my -- my question is is there
an intention that a certain number of these units be -- be rented out by the individuals in
that specific development or is that not a part of -- of what you're attempting to do?
Stewart: No. It's completely free and open. There is no limitation as to who can or cannot
rent. It's for public use.
Perreault: Okay. Okay. Any more questions for the applicant? Okay. Thank you very
much.
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Stewart: Thank you.
Perreault: Okay. At this time can I get a motion to close the public hearing for Item No.
H-2019-0076? Oh, I didn't -- do we have anybody signed up to testify?
Weatherly: Madam Chair, we don't have anybody.
Perreault: Okay. My apologies. I assumed that no one was stepping up and that we --
so, thank you very much. Okay. Is there anyone in the -- please come forward.
McKay; Thanks, Madam Chair, Members of the Commission. Becky McKay. Business
address 1029 North Rosario in Meridian. I'm here representing Mr. Wolf and his partners
on this. To kind of answer the question that you asked, it is the intent that this facility will
primarily serve the Franklin apartments that they own that adjoins it to require people to
put their storage within this facility, instead of utilizing garages for storage. So, it's -- it is
our intent and our desire to accommodate their needs, so that we can open up those
garages to be utilized for cars, so we don't have parking on the public streets or parking
up and down, you know, over in the church parking lot. It's -- they want to make it like an
incentive for those who come in to rent an apartment, they can do a package deal, so that
if they do need storage and, then, tell people you can't use the garages for any storage
of personal property, so that's kind of -- you know, that was the whole intent. I think, you
know, we have gone through all this process with the ordinance amendments and the
rezones and everything to get it to -- to this point where it comes in under a conditional
use, there are stipulations on hours of usage and compatibility, additional architectural
standards that wouldn't be found in your normal commercial or industrial zone. So, you
know, this is intended to be -- compliment the multi -family use and so we are excited to
get started and to try to, like I said, alleviate people using these garages for personal
property storage. If you have any questions, I would be glad to answer.
Perreault: Any questions for Becky?
Cassinelli: Madam Chair?
Perreault: Thank you very much for clarifying that, because we -- oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead,
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Cassinelli: And thank you for pointing out the -- thanks for pointing out the hours, Becky.
Seeing that -- is there going to be an onsite manager?
McKay: I believe in the residential storage ordinance that we took through it indicated
that there will be -- either be an onsite manager or that they would have to supply the city
with security plans, cameras, and -- I mean they have to have some type of plan on how
to maintain safety and manage it accordingly if it -- if they don't have someone on site and
so that's written into the ordinance that they have to provide a detailed plan.
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Cassinelli: Okay.
McKay: And -- and I believe they are working with a security company on that.
Cassinelli: Okay.
McKay: They have already started that process.
Cassinelli: Thank you.
McCarvel: Madam Chair?
Perreault: Commissioner McCarvel.
McCarvel: Becky, is there any preference given to the apartments or anything -- I mean
know that you're encouraging with the package deal, but preference as far as how many
of the units you will let go to the general public that doesn't live in that surrounding area.
McKay: Madam Chair, Commissioner McCarvel -- how do you -- is that right? Am I
saying that right?
McCarvel: Yeah.
McKay: It's been a long week.
McCarvel: Me, too.
McKay: Yes. They -- they are --
McCarvel: I have been here five years.
McKay: They are going -- I don't know. I'm getting old. Maybe senile, too. I kind of drew
a blank. I forget my own address some nights. Yes, they -- they -- they want -- it is their
desire that, hey, if they can fill this whole thing with -- with the Silver Oaks residents they
are going to be happy as a lark. They also have another multi -family project. It's not their
-- their project, but it's going to be adjoining them on the west. So, they see that as
potential, you know, customers. There is another I guess multi -family project south of
Franklin that Corey Barton is building. So, I don't think that -- that there is -- there is going
to be any problem with filling this up, but they do want to make sure that their residents
get priority.
McCarvel: Right.
McKay: And so I'm not sure, you know, how they are going to implement that, if, you
know, they are going to reserve a certain percentage, if -- you know, they have talked
about giving them financial incentives so that, hey, you don't have to try to find storage
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five miles away, we are right here and we will give you a deal. Because they want to
alleviate this parking issue as soon as possible.
Perreault: Thank you for clarifying that. That was what I was getting at with my question
to the applicant. And you -- you have said that much more clearly. I'm asking, because
you have got five apartment complexes all within a quarter mile of that location. So,
thought, well, you know, what if -- what if a bunch of the residents from The Lofts or --
McKay: Right.
Perreault: -- you know, are going to come and they are going to take -- then it won't
accomplish the purpose of relieving some of the parking, so --
McKay: They -- this -- you know, it -- the problem associated with the parking issues and
the garages facilitated this, so it is their desire to solve that issue and so it's in their best
interest to give these people priority and reserve units for them.
Perreault: Well, I would like to say I really appreciate the -- the proactive approach that
they are taking to do this and I know our commissioner that we love to call Mr. Parking
appreciates any parking improvements that are made. So, thank you.
McKay: Yes.
Perreault: Anymore questions before she steps away?
Cassinelli: Madam Chair?
Perreault: Commissioner Cassinelli.
Cassinelli: I have a parking question and this is open for staff -- comments from -- from
either one, Becky or staff. With regards to the parking and the issue that there has been
-- because there is -- I don't -- I didn't see anything from -- from police in here, any
comments there. Has it been -- have they commented on parking over in that area in the
past or is it just kind of known to be an internal issue?
McKay: Madam Chair, Commissioner Cassinelli, it's been more of an internal issue. I
don't think they have been cited or -- or had problems with emergency access or police
access to the facility. It's been more of -- they recognize their own problem and, you
know, they just -- you know, people lining -- lining the collector roadway that comes in,
which also serves the church, they have daycare facilities, youth facilities, I think, you
know, the church has commented on -- that, you know, they don't like that, so they are --
they are being proactive like -- like the chairman's indicated.
Perreault: Okay. Thank you very much.
McKay: Thank you.
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Perreault: Okay. Before we close the public hearing is there anyone else who would like
to testify? Okay. Thank you.
Cassinelli: Madam Chair?
McCarvel: Madam Chair?
Perreault: I'm apparently having a hearing problem tonight.
Cassinelli: Go for it.
McCarvel: I move we close the public hearing on H-2019-0076.
Cassinelli: Second.
Perreault: It has been moved and seconded to close the public hearing on H-2019-0076.
All those in favor say aye. Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. TWO ABSENT.
Perreault: Okay. Next we will move on to the public hearing for Bainbridge North, H-
2019--
Cassinelli: Are we going to -- are we going to vote?
Perreault: Oh, my gosh. I'm having a night, you guys. Seriously. It's -- please forgive
me.
Cassinelli: If I -- if they want to stick around for the vote.
Perreault: We should vote. All right. Open for discussion. Commissioners. If I'm not in
a hurry to get out of here I'm good.
Cassinelli: I know -- without looking back at the minutes the last time, we spent a lot of
time on this the last time and I can't remember everything that came out of it. I think we
are -- are we -- hopefully we are seeing the -- seeing things that -- seeing the fruit of our
labors that, yes, to put it -- to put it that way that night. But I think it looks good. The only
thing -- my only thought that I would possibly like to see is -- it was on section five,
paragraph FK -- was the number -- no outside storage. I would love to see that we add
to that no RV storage if possible. Granted there is no outside, but -- I'm just assuming if
they built, you know, covered storage for -- for RV that would be -- that would be my only
thought. I would love to see this in the back of the property, but it is where it is. I think it
will -- it will help. I don't know how well they can police who gets in there, you know,
across the street or -- or where ever, but I think it will help. So, I think that's good. So, I
would say all in all I'm -- I think it -- I think it fits what we -- what we have been after. It
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works. I would just like to see maybe in a motion adding just that -- adding to that no
outside storage -- the condition that there is no RV storage allowed.
McCarvel: Madam Chair?
Perreault: Commissioner McCarvel.
McCarvel: I agree. I think this is exactly what we were after with that conditional use for
having a storage in the R-15, because we all -- I mean we do our best to do our
calculations on parking, which always includes the garages and the spaces, and, then,
everybody moves in and rents the garages as storage units and nobody parks their cars
in there and so I think this absolutely addresses that point and happy to see it hopefully
doing what it's supposed to do.
Perreault: Commissioner Holland.
Holland: Madam Chair. I -- I would agree. I think as far as storage units go, this is
probably one of the better ones we could see and it's in the right area of town, because
it's wrapped around by a bunch of multi -family and that's really where you need to have
this to help offset the parking concerns over there. I don't know that I see the same issue
Commissioner Cassinelli brings up with needing to add that RV storage is exploding,
because looking at the site plan they are not going to have the ability to add RV storage
in there anyway. It's pretty tightly in there and it says no outdoor storage. They wouldn't
be able to put RVs in there. If it makes you feel more comfortable I'm happy to make a
motion that adds the words and RV to the outside storage though. No problem there.
And I think both the conditions they have requested changes on -- no concerns.
Perreault: Commissioner Seal, anything to add?
Seal: Nothing to add. Thank you.
Perreault: Okay. Thank you. Okay. Who would like to make a motion? I don't -- also
don't have anything to add. I think it's -- I agree with my fellow Commissioners that this
is a good location for this, that it's really necessary at this point with as many multi -family
developments as we have coming in the area and I'm -- I am happy that -- that they are
taking the initiative to do this to try to alleviate a traffic issue, which always leads to
alleviating safety issues -- or, you know, to -- to addressing safety issues. So -- and as
far as the design goes, I don't have any -- any obvious concerns. There isn't anything
that stands out to me that is creating a concern for me, so --
Seal: Madam Chair?
Perreault: Commissioner Seal.
Seal: I would like to make a motion. After considering all staff, applicant, and public
testimony, I move to approve file number H-2019-0076 as presented in the staff report for
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the hearing date of August 15th, 2019, with the following modifications: Like to have the
wording modified to not allow outside or RV storage. Would like to modify Section A-3 to
allow the building and -- the building structures to serve as the lateral boundary and also
Section B-3 to allow the lateral to not be covered.
McCarvel: Second.
Perreault: It has been moved and seconded to approve -- so, before I proceed, this is a
conditional use permit and so this will be the final decision. Okay. It has been moved
and seconded to approve with -- with modifications File No. H-2019-0076. All those in
favor say aye. Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. TWO ABSENT.
C. Public Hearing for Bainbridge North (H-2019-0074) by Brighton
Investments, LLC , Located at the SE corner of W. Chinden
Blvd./SH 2O-26 and N. Tree Farm Way
1. Request: Preliminary Plat consisting of 165 building lots and
13 common lots on 35.57 acres of land in the R -15 zoning
district; and,
2. Request: a Planned Unit Development incorporating a variety
of housing types with deviations to the typical R -15 building
setback requirements; and,
3. Modification to the Development Agreement (Inst. #2018-
047368) to update the conceptual development plan for the
site
Perreault: Okay. Now, we can move forward to the public hearing for Bainbridge North,
H-2019-0074. Let's begin with the staff report.
Allen: Thank you, Madam Chair, Members of the Commission. The next applications
before you are a request for a development agreement modification and that actually
doesn't require action from the Commission, only City Council. A preliminary plat,
planned unit development and a private street and alternative compliance are also
proposed that do not require action from the Commission, only from the director. It's
35.57 acres of land. It's zoned R-15 and it is located at the southeast corner of West
Chinden Boulevard, State Highway 20-26, and North Tree Farm Way. Adjacent land use
and zoning. There are single family residential homes currently under development to
the north in the R-15 zoning district and to the west and south in the R-8 zone and
commercial uses are planned to the east in the C -G zone. This is where the new Costco
is proposed to develop. This site was annexed back in 2018 along with the property to
the east and it is included in the development agreement. The Comprehensive Plan
future land use map designation is medium density residential, which calls for three to
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eight units per acre and modification to the development agreement is proposed to update
the concept development plan for this site. The one shown on the left there is the existing
one in the agreement for a mix of single family residential attached and detached units
for seniors age 55 and older. The layout of the development is the only thing that has
changed. As you can see the -- the map on the right is the new proposed concept plan.
The existing plan depicts a central common area surrounded by building lots. The
proposed plan depicts a gated community with three large separate active and passive
common areas dispersed throughout the development and is accessed by gated private
streets. The applicant also requests to amend provisions number 5.1.5 in the
development agreement, which requires the property to be subdivided prior to issuance
of any building permits in favor of allowing one permit for the community center clubhouse
to be issued prior to subdivision of the property and as I stated previously, the
Commission does not -- is not required to make a decision or recommendation on this
application. Staff is in favor of the applicant's request for a building permit for the
clubhouse. The proposed preliminary plat consists of 165 building lots and 13 common
lots on 35.57 acres of land in the R-15 zoning district and is proposed to develop in two
phases as shown on the phasing plan on the right. A planned unit development is
proposed for a mix of attached and detached age qualified 55 and older dwelling units.
The dwelling units incorporate a variety of housing types and setbacks unique to unit and
site design. Development is proposed to be gated for security purposes and have private
streets, alleys, and a common driveway for access to the units within the development.
Mediations to the typical R-15 building setback requirements are proposed as shown and
as noted in the staff report and to UDC 11-6C-3135, which requires alleys to be designed
so that the entire length is visible from a public street. As private streets are only proposed
internally. Access is proposed via two gated private driveways from the adjacent collector
streets, Tree Farm and Lost Rapids. Private streets, alleys and common driveways are
proposed internally within the subdivision for access. Qualified open space and site
amenities are proposed in excess of UDC standards. A minimum of ten percent or 3.56
acres of land in open space is required. The applicant is actually proposing 26.37 percent
or 9.38 acres as common open space area. A minimum of two site amenities are
required. The applicant is proposing a ten foot wide multi -use pathway within the street
buffer along Chinden. A micro path connection is proposed to the east to the commercial
development for interconnectivity and a community clubhouse, pool and outdoor activity
center are also proposed as amenities and these far exceed our minimum UDC
standards. Noise abatement is required for residential uses adjoining a state highway. A
six foot wide -- or, excuse me, six foot tall fence on top of a four foot tall berm is proposed.
Wood fencing does not qualify as a sound attenuating material. Wall materials are
required to consist of impervious concrete or stucco or other appropriate sound
attenuating material. Monotonous walls are also not allowed and must vary in color and
texture in accord with UDC standards. A revised plan is required with the final plat that
is consistent with UDC standards or the applicant may request alternative compliance for
a substitute noise abatement proposal in accord with ITD standards and prepared by a
qualified sound engineer. Conceptual building elevations were submitted as shown for
the proposed single family residential attached and detached units. Traditional alley -
loaded homes and patio homes are proposed. All attached units are required to comply
with the design standards in the architectural standards manual. Written testimony was
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received from Mike Wardle, Brighton Corporation. They are in agreement with the staff
report, except for the following modifications: Condition number 3-F in Section 7, which
requires a sound attenuation wall, as I previously mentioned, to allow the developer to
submit alternative compliant for substitute noise abatement proposal as allowed by the
UDC and as I mentioned previously and deletion of condition that the proposed
intersecting alleys break up the block face and comply with UDC standards. The condition
noted that the northern block exceeded UDC standards, but it does have intersecting
alleys, so that does qualify as a -- a break in the -- in the block face. Staff is amenable to
these changes. Staff is recommending approval with the conditions in the staff report and
the amendments requested by the applicant. Staff will stand for any questions.
Perreault: Do the Commissioners have any questions for staff?
Holland: Madam Chair?
Perreault: Commissioner Holland.
Holland: One question. I think this should be an easy question, but was this always
designated as a senior 55 and older community, even with the previous concept?
Allen: Madam Chair, Commissioner Holland, yes. That's always been the -- the plan for
this property.
Holland: Thanks.
Perreault: Sonya, in the section that the applicant is not in agreement with, when it --
when it says that staff is amenable to these changes, are you -- and they are requesting
an alternative compliance for a substitute noise abatement, are you in agreement that
they go that route or are you saying that you're in agreement with the actual change that
they are proposing?
Allen: Madam Chair, I'm -- I'm only saying that I'm in agreement with the change they
have requested to allow alternative compliance.
Perreault: Okay.
Allen: That is how code reads. It does allow for alternative compliance --
Perreault: Okay.
Allen: -- for that section of code. They have not proposed an alternative. Staff has not
reviewed an alternative, no.
Perreault: Okay. Thank you. Any additional questions for staff? Okay. Thank you.
Would the applicant please come forward.
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Wardle: Madam Chair, Commissioners, Mike Wardle, Brighton Corporation, 2929 West
Navigator. A new address for us in Meridian. I'm not seeing anything on the screen here.
Is there a button I need to push, Chris, so I can kind of follow what -- I'm not going to
spend a lot of time, because Sonya has really covered the information quite well and has
provided most of the -- the information from the slides that -- that we would show as well,
but just to repeat, this area was annexed, zoned and conceptually approved just last year
and it does show that concept from 2018 in the upper left of this particular slide, which
was in the application last year designated as an age qualified gated community
conceptually and so we are back now with the detail. I just wanted to take a moment --
staff had recommended some additional conditions and we are in concurrence, but I just
wanted to illustrate from using this particular slide, which kind of simplifies the area, but
specifically there was a request for staff in conditions 2-B and 3-E for some additional
guest parking on -- adjacent to the two the more passive open space areas. We certainly
agree. It's a great suggestion and we concur with that. At the lower left, condition 2-A
and 3-B, was a recommendation to add a pathway and it's kind of interesting that in our
original concept we actually showed a pathway in that location. It dropped out in -- in our
review, but we have -- we are in agreement with that particular suggestion as well and
over on the right side of -- there is condition 3-A that's talking about the pathway
connection that we actually show currently in the northeast corner of the project up toward
-- well, it would provide access over to the commercial area. Staff in its condition 3-A has
suggested moving that pathway to a specific location, which we depicted, but they have
also an or statement that says or workout something that really provides the type of
alignment to get to the -- more to the Costco area, so that people that are going to be
headed that direction would be able to go more directly into the pedestrian facilities there,
rather than out into the drive aisle areas. They worked on that particular item. The
language as it's recommended is certainly acceptable. We concur with all of those
requests. And, then, just to illustrate very specifically what the product is, these are from
our Paramount Cadence project, which we are in the final phase currently. We did --
there is 192 units total in that project. The first two-thirds were developed last year and
this is all but done and we have now constructed all of the improvements for the last
phase of that project and we will construct those. You know, so this particular Bainbridge
Cadence product will come on as it -- that particular one is closing out and we are finding
great interest in it. So, these are actual live photos of -- first of all at the top is the
community center. In this particular case it's -- it's really a very large substantial center,
but there will be something of similar scale, slightly smaller project in Bainbridge than we
have in Paramount, but it will still have all of the same types of facilities and active
elements for the neighborhood. So, just to summarize and respond to your questions,
staff has -- has indicated agreement with the modification we have requested for condition
3-F, which, in fact, the code does allow for alternative compliance. We will investigate
options and determine if there is a different, more amenable solution than just a huge
concrete wall, but that's a determination to be made that we will have to work with staff to
justify. And, then, condition 13 was the one about the -- the length of the block face and
that particular item we do comply with that UDC code stipulation. I would be happy to
answer your questions. I think it's a fairly straightforward proposal and very consistent
with what we proposed last year, although the layout is a bit different, but we think
improved.
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Perreault: Thank you. Any questions for the applicant?
Holland: Madam Chair?
Perreault: Commissioner Holland.
Holland: Mr. Wardle, would you mind talking to us about what the buffer is going to look
like on the east side of the property as it kind of abuts the Costco? Just a little bit about,
you know, if there is loading docks or whatnot, kind of on the back side of that of how that
will end.
Wardle: Yes. Madam Chair, Commissioner Holland, when we brought the project in last
year we brought them together and we worked closely with Costco. My boss, who is
here, might have a -- a little bit better idea of exactly what the dimension is, but we have
a very substantial -- probably a 34 foot or more buffer on our side of the property line,
they will have an additional 20 feet on their side and so it's -- it's very substantial. Now,
there will be loading docks. There will be circulation around the Costco building, but
because of their hours of operation and so forth, the stipulations made at the Council level
when that project was approved we think it will be compatible. But we knew from the get
go that we had to provide a substantial separation between the two and it will be as tall a
buffer or berm as we can do with fencing on top of that as well.
Holland: Thank you.
Perreault: Can you speak to us about the -- the proposal to do the wood fencing with a
four foot berm versus the concrete wall and what the -- the thought is behind that?
Wardle: I'm going to defer that question to Jonathan Wardle, because as we dealt with
that issue in Bainbridge No. 7, which is immediately to the west of this, we came to a
different conclusion and received approval of that particular request. So, I was not directly
involved, the other Mr. Wardle was.
J.Wardle: Madam Chair, for the record my name is Jon Wardle. 2929 West Navigator.
And I may technically be Mike's boss, but I don't get to tell him what to do. So, I want to
be clear about that. Regarding the sound attenuation -- and we just wanted the flexibility
-- when -- the reason this came up is in our previous phase on Bainbridge we were faced
with two parallel gravity irrigation lines, which really impeded the ability to put a concrete
wall in that location. So, we started looking at our options and when we went to a sound
engineer to go through the exercise, we actually found that the wood was the same, if not
better than a concrete wall. So, all we are asking for is that -- and we are not telling you
that we are going to do a wood fence here, but the way the condition was originally written
it excluded the opportunity to do alternative compliance and we just need to look at that.
So, we have quite a bit of width there. We have the ability to berm it up even higher. I
think we have a couple of combinations where we could do -- get that berm close to the
ten feet, but there is a few things going on right now as well with the lightning of Chinden
Boulevard and so things are not set. So, we just want to ensure we have that flexibility.
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Perreault: I realize that's not something we are making a specific decision on, but I think
it's good for us -- for you to share that on the record, so if there is public questions about
it I appreciate you explaining that to us.
J.Wardle: Absolutely.
Perreault: And that it will be gone through again at the time.
J.Wardle: If I could answer the other question regarding the buffer between our project
and Costco. So, from our property line we are showing outside of the lot a 35 foot
landscape buffer and, then, there would be the setback to the homes, which would be
another at least 15 feet on our side. From that buffer -- from the boundary line to the
Costco building would be another 25 feet. So, within -- from our lot line to Costco, we
would have 60 feet and we are going to raise it up at least to six feet at the peak of that
with a six foot fence on top of that with a lot of our landscaping. We worked through those
details. That was one of the elements that was really important to us as we were working
with Costco and we had a substantial buffer that had height, had more than sufficient
landscaping.
Cassinelli: Madam Chair?
Perreault: Commissioner Cassinelli.
Cassinelli: I have two questions and maybe they are for -- for Mike. I don't know. But,
number one, is your preference on that path in the northeast corner where you have it
shown? That's question number one. I will throw out the other one right now. With the
original development agreement for this one are the number of lots. Has that changed
up or down? Can you comment on that?
Wardle: Thank you, Commissioner Cassinelli. We don't know that -- we prefer the other
location, but what we were trying to do was limit the -- I guess I will call it the penetration
into the heart of the community from necessarily the commercial area. It's a little hard to
control that and that northeast corner, while it took it up more toward the drive aisle
access, there is still a buffer down the Costco side that would provide a sidewalk element
to separate people from the traffic, but we just -- we want to be able to use the or phrase
in that condition to really work on that question. So, we are not going to guarantee today
exactly where it will be. We will work with Costco and the staff to come up with an
agreeable solution. But we kind of thought that that northeasterly corner was a little bit
easier place to do that, rather than kind of in between the lots down below. Your second
question --
Cassinelli: The number of lots.
Wardle: The number of lots. We didn't specify the number of lots last year. Let me go
back to the site plan though. It's been just over a year since I have really looked at that,
but I believe that the number of lots depicted was 160 at that point. We didn't specify the
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number of lots, though, and the DA does not necessarily identify that either. So, it was
just a question of working out the particulars of the site plan, coming back and modifying
the development agreement with that revised site plan and so we have got 165. Now, we
actually had a layout that was more than that, but Jonathan just noted that we have
expanded the buffer along Chinden to give ourselves more room to get elevation. So, we
ended up taking out some lots in order to move that north boundary line of the -- the lot
-- rear lot line of those lots along Chinden down some additional distance in order to give
ourselves some flexibility there, so -- but, anyway, the number is 165. 1 think the original
showed 160, but they were not specified. So, we are limited.
Cassinelli: Overall density is the same as --
Wardle: Overall density is -- is approximately the same. It's 4.6 units per acre is what
the -- the gross density is of the project as it's proposed.
Cassinelli: Okay. Thank you.
Perreault: I have a question about that alley load homes. So, in my real estate experience
those alleys tend to create an issue when it's trash day, when people have left containers
out, when somebody consistently parks a car there and doesn't move it. Is there a way
that that's going to be managed through the association, you know, maybe through a
process of a, hey, if the car is left there three times -- you know, something like that.
Because I know it's because of the -- the numerous alley load streets that it's going to
potentially be an issue I would assume. So, has that been discussed?
Wardle: Well, we do have stipulations and enforcement capability within the CC&Rs. The
Fire Department requires those to be signed as no parking areas. There are two little --
there are four little pods that have a couple of spaces there along the edge and those
have specifically been noted in the staff report as allowable, as long as that 20 foot wide
alley itself is not impeded. So, can we guarantee that there won't be some knucklehead
that will do something stupid in the way they use their property and so forth, we can't, but
we do have enforcement mechanisms.
Perreault: And it's my understanding those drive -- the driveways are six -- only six feet,
so no one is parking in their driveway.
J.Wardle: That is correct. Those alley loaded -- they are just six feet, which does provide
enough room for the garbage to go there. One of the other mechanisms -- mechanisms
that we do have is they are all private and because they are private the HOA has the
ability to address that immediately, whereas you call ACHD to tell somebody they are
parked in the alley, there is not really --
Perreault: Yeah.
J.Wardle: -- an enforcement mechanism for that. One of the things that has been really
unique for what we have done in Paramount Cadence is we actually have a full-time
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lifestyle director who is there every day and interfacing with -- with the residents and so
there is a lot of communication happening realtime. It's not just a letter that's sent out.
There is somebody there most all the time. Overtime could that change? It would depend
what those residents decide to do, but the -- the association dues associated with us and
the lifestyle that we have found, they really have liked that social aspect of that.
Perreault: Just asking, because it's a safety concern and I realize that -- I appreciate that
the public -- that the private street allows for additional compliance, that they don't have
to go through the City of Meridian to --
Wardle: For code enforcement, yes.
Perreault: Yes. Right. Anymore questions for the applicant?
McCarvel: Madam Chair?
Perreault: Commissioner McCarvel.
McCarvel: So, that's the -- you're talking about going from ten feet down to six feet in
those alleys?
Wardle: Yes. And that -- that's exactly what we did in the Paramount Cadence product.
We also did that in another project that we did out in the Mill District Square in Harris
Ranch and functionally it works just fine. But as Jonathan noted, that does give you an
apron area to park your trash receptacles on out of the alley itself and functionally we are
not aware of any issues in any of those projects.
Perreault: Any additional questions for the applicant? Just out of curiosity, is -- you're
not having -- obviously, you wouldn't be making a -- sending an application if you hadn't
already had this discussion, but I'm surprised that the senior community is -- is wanting
to purchase, you know, next to a state highway and, then, of course, Ten Mile is going to
be widened and, then, we have got Costco and Tree Farm could get some congestion
there. Is that -- it sounds like that's going to be a deterrent to the -- to your -- your
customer.
Wardle: Madam Chair, it hasn't been an issue that we are aware of at Paramount
Cadence, which is also on Chinden, which will also have the experience of two additional
lanes within the next year or so. The only real interesting concern that's been raised is
the fact that some of these people would like to have an eight foot wall around themselves,
so that nobody could ever, you know, come over a berm or crawl over a fence or
something, but, you know, we are not into -- we are creating a sense of security, but not
a sense of isolation. We want these elements in the community to be functionally
associated with their neighbors, frankly, and so just as in Paramount where it's separated
by a collector street, this particular product is also separated from the conventional single
family community and Bainbridge by collector streets, Tree Farm and Lost Rapids. But
visually they are not going to show, you know, a substantial difference, because they will
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have the same type of fencing from one side of the street to the other. The buffers will
look the same. These will be a little different in the sense that these will all be, essentially,
single story homes, some with -- some areas that might have a little bit of a bonus space
in -- in the pitched roof area, but, essentially, this is going to be a lower level community
and not quite as imposing physically structurally as their neighbors to the south across
the collector roadways. So, we are comfortable with it and interesting the design materials
and construction materials in the units anticipate those types of additional noise along a
highway, but that's, again, part of the purpose that the city has required the additional
berm heights and walls and so forth that help attenuate some of those concerns.
Appreciate the opportunity to discuss them with you. Thank you.
Perreault: Well, the reason I asked is because I know, obviously, a big part of our role is
-- is to decide what's the best and highest use and -- and this is a large piece of property
on a state highway and I think that there is, you know, traditional questions we want to
ask because of the unique -- I realize that there has already been a decision made with
the DA that this will be allowable,, but just -- just wanted to get your thoughts on it, so --
Wardle: Well, Madam Chair, I have just one -- one additional comment. Being part of
that particular age qualified group we can always take our hearing aids out if we want to
get a little bit more peace and quiet, so -- thank you.
Perreault: Thank you very much. Anymore questions --
Cassinelli: Madam Chair?
Perreault: Commissioner Cassinelli.
Cassinelli: Mike, if I could just -- can I touch base on Cadence at Paramount. A couple
of things there to compare them. What's the berm and wall height there at Paramount
about Chinden?
Wardle: Madam Chair and Commissioner Cassinelli, it's the same. The one at
Paramount is a combination of berm and, then, if you have driven the highway there a lot
you have noticed that there are some lower areas and that's where there is a wall and it's
more of a decorative structure, but it's not continuous. So, it's a combination of the height
of the berm, lower berm with the wall on top that accomplishes the objective. So, that's
-- that's ten feet. That meets the requirements. In fact, in some areas it's probably higher
than that.
Cassinelli: And -- and the Cadence there, are their homes that back right up to Chinden?
Wardle: Yes, sir.
Cassinelli: And has that been an issue with selling those properties as far as noise there?
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Wardle: Those properties have sold quickly and let me just note -- you will see in the
center of this particular schematic where the alley wraps around, we have got exactly that
circumstance in Paramount. It's virtually the same. And those units also -- very quickly,
they are all occupied. Have not -- have not heard any feedback that expresses concern
for that, other than the fact that somebody could walk over the top of that berm if they
opted to.
Cassinelli: They could pole vault it I guess.
Wardle: Yes.
Cassinelli: Thank you.
Wardle: Thank you.
Perreault: Any additional questions. Thank you very much.
Wardle: Thank you.
Perreault: Anyone here that would like to testify?
Weatherly: Madam Chair, no one signed up to testify.
Perreault: Is there anyone in the public that would like to testify? Okay. So, if there are
no additional questions for the applicant -- I assume you have nothing else to add, let's
go ahead and take a motion to close the public hearing.
Cassinelli: Madam Chair?
Perreault: Commissioner Cassinelli.
Cassinelli: I move we close the public hearing on Bainbridge North, item No. H-2019-
0074.
Holland: Second.
Perreault: It has been moved and seconded to close the public hearing for Bainbridge
North, H-2019-0074. All those in favor say aye. Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. TWO ABSENT.
Holland: Madam Chair?
Perreault: Commissioner Holland.
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Holland: Overall I feel like it looks like a nice development. I like that it's more of an R-
15 right next to the Costco, because I think it's nicer to have that density mix, but it's not
-- I like the way that the lots are laid out where they are smaller, but single level. It makes
a nice community. My only concern actually is just that it's a senior restricted housing
community, because I always like when anybody can have access living in a community,
but that's my own personal preference. So, it seems like we have passed a lot of senior
housing lately. Otherwise, no big concerns. I think if they work with staff on alternative
compliance for noise abatement on the highway I don't have any big concerns with that,
because I know our staff will find something that works well with the applicant and no
concerns with their other requests to change Section 8-A-13, so --
Perreault: Okay.
Cassinelli: Madam Chair?
Perreault: Commissioner Cassinelli.
Cassinelli: On all I can see a pretty good project and Cadence in Paramount to be a
witness of that if it's selling very well. I don't think the -- the sound buffer -- I think they
can come to an agreement of that. I don't think Brighton is going to put in something
that's not going to work. They are going to want to sell those and that was kind of why
asked those questions how that compares. So, I'm -- I think concrete would be better,
but, again, I think if -- if they feel that the mix of materials they want to -- that they want to
use to match what's -- what's further to the west is going to be adequate, then, I think that
-- I do like -- had a couple of pathway comments. The path in the southwest corner, I like
that, how it ties in and I'm fine with the language of going with the or to keep the path in
the northeast corner. I think it would deter people that may be over at Costco to be just
kind of randomly walking into the -- into that development as well. So, I think that having
that or language that they are requesting -- I'm good with that.
Perreault: Yeah. I think one is to speak to what Bill is -- is mentioning. I agree, I like it in
that northwest corner, because -- I can understand the concerns, but so much people
being able to access Costco, but people not coming in from that area. And, then, I also
understand the -- thinking about making it pedestrian accessible and was that -- can I get
some clarification on that? Is that recommendation -- is that really something that's
essentially wanting to require or is that just a recommendation? On the pathway change.
Allen: Madam Chair, it is a conditional of approval.
Perreault: Oh, it is.
Allen: Staff doesn't really care how the connection happens, but right here as it's
proposed the site plan for the Costco, that has yet to be approved, does not show a
pedestrian walkway on the Costco site from this pathway. So, basically, this pathway
would just dump people out in the driveway where all the traffic enters the Costco site.
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Perreault: Okay. So, they don't have a site plan that shows where they -- they intend to
access to this --
Allen: They do not.
Perreault: Okay. Any additional thoughts?
McCarvel: Madam Chair?
Perreault: Commissioner McCarvel.
McCarvel: I just -- talking about the pathway, I guess my first thought is that it makes
sense to have it a little closer down to the building, whenever that site does get approved,
just because -- then you're not having all those pedestrians walking through the parking
lot. But overall I like -- I do like the new layout. To me it just seems better to have that
space spread out throughout the land. It looks good. I would be in support of it.
Perreault: Okay.
Seal: Madam Chair?
Perreault: Commissioner Seal.
Seal: I would also like to compliment them on the design of this. Considering the intended
use of it I like the fact that it's -- I mean it looks like it's fairly maintenance free for the
people that are going to be living there. So, there is not a lot of -- there is ample open
space. There is the clubhouse and there is things like that, but there is not a lot of things
on their property to necessarily -- that they are going to have to take care of on a day-to-
day basis. Lawns to mow, trees to trim, things like that. It looks like that's all incorporated
into the subdivision. So, I really appreciate that that time went into thinking about those
things on these units. Also it -- I mean it fits really well into everything else. About the
only thing I can say is it's right on Chinden, so it's -- it's a lot of houses going on there, but
other than that everything is very good. Appreciate the time you have taken to develop
this.
Perreault: My thoughts. So, when I first started looking at the application I wasn't excited
about it, because of the density and because the alley loads, so -- but I appreciate what
you shared, because it -- it relieves my concerns quite a bit to know that there will be
somebody on site who can have some oversight and be able to communicate with the
homeowners association about the concerns. If that wasn't the case I would -- I would
have asked some additional questions about that. Having -- having managed a large
HOA, it seems like a nightmare to me, but all that to say I think the plan that -- that's
presented here is better than the one that was originally shown -- the rendering that was
originally presented and I like this -- this plan much better. So, I think it's great that -- that
you have added the three common areas instead of the one -- one central common area
and that you're going to be encouraging the social element of it, because that always
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makes for stronger neighborhoods, stronger -- what do you call it -- almost a culture that
encourages the neighbors to take good care of their properties and that will really help
with the density issues. So, all that to say it sounds like that everybody's pretty positive
about it. So, are there any motions to be made?
Holland: Madam Chair?
Perreault: Commissioner Holland.
Holland: After considering all staff, applicant, and public testimony, I move to recommend
approval to City Council of file number H-2019-0074 as presented in the staff report for
the hearing date of August 15th, 2019, with the following modifications: That we would
adjust Section 7-3-F requiring the sound attenuation wall and allow the developer to
submit alternative compliance for substitute noise abatement proposal as allowed by the
UDC. That we would delete condition 13 that proposes intersecting alleys, break up the
block face and comply with UDC standards. And that condition number 13 is within
Section 8-A-13 if we need more clarification on that. Otherwise, that the staff would work
with the applicant on where that pathway on the east side of the boundary makes the
most sense and that's it.
Cassinelli: Second.
Perreault: Okay. It has been moved and seconded to recommend approval with the
stated modifications for file number H-2019-0074. All those in favor say aye. Okay.
Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. TWO ABSENT.
Perreault: Why didn't we have a big crowd? Where is our people? All right.
Parsons: Madam Chair? Madam Chair, Members of the Commission --
Perreault: What did I forget?
Parsons: Well, I -- we talked about it at our prep meeting --
Perreault: Oh.
Parsons: -- but I wanted to just share with the Commission that city staff is nearing its --
nearing completing the process of the Comprehensive Plan update and we are looking in
the near future of submitting that application and getting that before this body for
recommendation onto City Council and we have identified some dates in October. Ideally
we would like to have it scheduled for October 17th, but in the case that we have a heavy
workload or heavy hearing night -- hearing items on those -- that particular hearing date,
we would like to at least have the Commission's consideration of having a special meeting
on October 10th. So, what that would mean for your calendar would be, essentially, three
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public hearings in the month of October. So, I wanted to put that out for you -- to all of
you for discussion this evening, whether or not that would work for your -- your -- your
schedules as we head into the fall months. We certainly -- we want that application to be
a standalone application, so that we can give it the due time that it needs, as it is an
update, a new Comprehensive Plan that we are rolling out to you. So, there is a lot of
items to go over. Our consultant needs a special date to come into town. He's -- he's
struggling whether or not he can make it here either on the 3rd or the 17th. So, again,
we want to give the consultant some options. But I will just open it up for any -- any
conversations you may have on the idea of having a special meeting on the 10th or
potentially looking at October 17th.
Holland: I'm open both days right now, Bill.
Cassinelli: I won't be here on the 17th. So, the 10th I think would be better.
McCarvel: What time on the 10th? Evening or day?
Parsons: Well, with a special meeting we have the opportunity to change that time, but
we don't want to start too early in the day, we want to give the opportunity to the public to
come out and participate in the process as well. But I'm certainly -- had a discussion with
Caleb before this meeting started this evening and was open to the idea possibly starting
a little earlier, maybe 4:30, 5:00 o'clock if that would work with you.
McCarvel: I'm out on the 10th. My son's rehearsal dinner.
Johnson: Madam Chair?
Perreault: Yes.
Johnson: Bill, Meridian Arts Commission has the room 3:00 to 5:00 that day.
Parsons: So, it would have to be 5:00. Yeah. Yeah. It would have to be no earlier than
5:00.
Cassinelli: Is there another day that week?
Parsons: Yeah. It certainly doesn't have to be a Thursday either. It's open -- we will
open it up to you. What works? Yet to be determined.
Perreault: So, as -- as the time gets closer you will know whether we really need to
schedule that third meeting.
Parsons: Well, our target date for an application submittal is September. So, then,
usually that leads to a hearing date in October. So, if we get a new applica -- if the
application is submitted by us beginning of September, we are going to target the first
hearing in October. If it happens more towards the middle of the month we are going to
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shoot for the middle of the month. But, again, the 17th is a potential. Right now we don't
have -- we are just getting to that point where we are starting to schedule for the first
hearing in October. So, I don't know -- I don't have a crystal ball and don't know what's
coming in at this time to get on that agenda. But, again, we want to keep it a light agenda
as it is an important topic for us to discuss at that hearing.
Holland: Bill, could you send out a doodle poll maybe with a few options, so we could get
back to you and see -- because I think it would be great to have as many Commissioners
there as we can.
Parsons: Yeah. Agree.
Holland: Obviously, a couple of us have served on that comp plan committee, but would
love to have everybody at the table.
Parsons: Absolutely. I will -= I will go ahead and send Caleb an e-mail and maybe if Brian
or -- Brian can set up something and get something out to the Commission. Thank you.
Perreault: Thank you.
Holland: Madam Chair?
Cassinelli: Madam Chair?
Holland: I move we --
Cassinelli: I move we adjourn.
Holland: Second.
Perreault: It has been moved and seconded to close the public hearing for August 5th,
2019. All those in favor say aye. Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. TWO ABSENT.
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 7:11 P.M.
(AUDIO RECORDING ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS.)
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JESSICA PERREAULT - CHAIRMAN DATE APPROVED
ATTEST:
CHRIS JOHNSON - CITY CLERK