2018-11-01Meridian Planning and Zoning Meeting November 1, 2018.
Meeting of the Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission of November 1, 2018, was
called to order at 6:05 p.m. by Acting Chairman Ryan Fitzgerald.
Members Present: Commissioner Ryan Fitzgerald Commissioner Steven Yearsley,
Commissioner Bill Cassinelli, and Commissioner Lisa Holland.
Members Absent: Chairman Rhonda McCarvel, Commissioner Jessica Perreault and
Commissioner Gregory Wilson.
Others Present: Chris Johnson, Andrea Pogue, Bill Parsons, Sonya Allen, Stephanie
Leonard and Dean Willis.
Item 1: Roll-call Attendance
__X___ Lisa Holland ___X___ Steven Yearsley
______ Gregory Wilson ___X___ Ryan Fitzgerald
______ Jessica Perreault ___X___ Bill Cassinelli
_______ Rhonda McCarvel - Chairman
Fitzgerald: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. At this time I would like to call to
order the regularly scheduled meeting of the Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission
for the date of November 1st, 2018, and let's begin with roll call, please.
Item 2: Adoption of Agenda
Fitzgerald: Thank you, sir. The first item on the agenda is the adoption of the agenda.
One change on our agenda, we will be opening Buyrite, LLC, Apartments, CUP H-2018-
0096, just for the opportunity to continue it. It was not properly posted and so we will be
moving that application to November 15th. So, if you're here for that that will be
continued to November 15th. Can I get a motion to adopt the agenda as amended?
Cassinelli: So moved.
Holland: Second.
Fitzgerald: I have a motion and a second. All those in favor say aye. Opposed same.
Motion carries. Thank you very much.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. THREE ABSENT.
Item 3: Consent Agenda [Action Item]
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A. Approve Minutes of October 18, 2018 Planning and Zoning
Commission Meeting
B. Findings of Fact, Conclusion of Law for The Goddard School
(H2018-0108) by Richard Antl, Located at 2009 S. Wells Ave.
Fitzgerald: Next item on the agenda is the Consent Agenda and we have two items on
the agenda -- on the Consent Agenda. Can I get a motion to approve the -- approve of
the minutes from October 18th Planning and Zoning Commission meeting and the facts
-- or Findings of Facts and Conclusion of Law for the -- the Goddard School.
Holland: So moved.
Cassinelli: Second.
Fitzgerald: I have a motion and a second. All those in favor say aye. Opposed?
Motion carries. Thank you.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. THREE ABSENT.
Fitzgerald: And at this time I would like to give a brief explanation on how we handle
the public hearing process for this evening. We will open each item individually and,
then, start with the staff report. The staff reports the findings regarding how the item
adheres to our Comprehensive Plan and Uniform Development Code, with the staff's
recommendations. After the staff has made their recommendations or their
presentation, the applicant will come forward to present their case for the approval of
their application and respond to any staff comments. The application -- or the applicant
will have 15 minutes to do so. After the applicant has finished their public testimony --
there is a sign-up sheet in the back as you entered -- or there is a -- I guess it's an iPad
now -- to sign up to testify. Any person wishing to testify will come forward and be
allowed three minutes. If they are speaking for a larger group, like an HOA, and there is
a show of hands in the audience on who they are speaking for, they can represent the
group and have ten minutes to speak. After all testimony has been heard by the -- the
applicant will come back up and have another ten minutes to close. If they respond to
questions and do any follow up they want to. And after that we will close the public
hearing and the Commissioners will have an opportunity to discuss and deliberate over
-- before making a recommendation on the application.
Item 4: Action Items
A. Public Hearing for Buyrite LLC Apartments (H-2018-0096) by
neUdesign Architecture, LLC, Located at the NW corner of W.
Ustick Rd. and N. Linder Rd.
1. Request: Rezone property from C-C (5.90 acres) to R-40;
and
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2. Request: Conditional Use Permit for a multi-family
development consisting of 96 multi-family residential units
within 4 multi-family structures on 4.772 acres of land in a
proposed R-40 zoning district; and
3. Request: Modification of an Existing Development
Agreement to allow for R-4
Fitzgerald: So, at this time I would like to move to open the public hearing on H-2018-
0096 by Buyrite, LLC, Apartments for the opportunity to continue that application.
Holland: So moved.
Yearsley: Well, we are not -- a motion -- you're just opening.
Fitzgerald: I'm opening the public hearing.
Yearsley: Mr. Chair, I re -- I make a motion that we continue file number H-2018-0096
to the hearing date of November 15th, 2018.
Holland: Second.
Fitzgerald: I have a motion and a second to continue H-2018-0096 until the date of
November 15th, 2018. All those in favor say aye. Opposed same. Thank you very
much. And we will continue that until November 15th.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. THREE ABSENT.
B. Public Hearing Continued from October 18, 2018 for Del Taco
(H- 2018-0106) by Tom Lennon, Located at 1617 W. Island
Green Dr.
1. Request: Conditional Use Permit for a drive-through
establishment within 300 feet of a residential district and
existing residences in a C-C zoning district
Fitzgerald: Moving on to the next agenda item is Del Taco. It's H-2018-0106 and we
will start with the staff report.
Allen: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Members of the Commission. The first application
before you tonight is a request for a conditional use permit. This site consists of .72 of
an acre of land. It's zoned C-C and located at 1617 West Island Green Drive at the
southwest corner of North Linder Road and West Island Green Drive. Adjacent land
use and zoning. To the north is rural residential properties zoned RUT in Ada county.
To the east is North Linder Road and mixed use commercial development, zoned C-3,
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DA, in the city of Eagle, and to the south and west is vacant undeveloped land zoned C-
C. The Comprehensive Plan future land use map designation is mixed use community.
The applicant is requesting approval of a conditional use permit for a drive-thru
establishment within 300 feet of a residential district and existing residences in the C-C
zoning district. The site plan as shown complies with the specific use standards in the
UDC for drive-thru establishments. Access is proposed via West Island Green Drive. A
cross-access easement exists between all lots in the subdivision. Street buffer
landscaping along Linder and Island Green Drive was -- and Chinden was -- actually
Chinden isn't adjacent to this site. But, anyway, it was completed with the subdivision
improvements. Parking is proposed to be provided on the site in accord with UDC
standards. To reduce traffic conflicts with vehicles exiting the drive-thru and vehicles
entering and existing -- exiting, excuse me, the parking area from West Island Green
Drive, staff is recommending some revisions to the site plan and I just didn't mark up
here on the site plan -- and a landscape planter island on the west side of the center
row of parking, that's the green area you should see there, and, then, restricted two
spaces on the west side of the parking lot, marked with X's to employee parking only
and, lastly, consider extending the curb, that red line where vehicles exit the drive-thru
across the first drive aisle to funnel traffic from the drive-thru through the western most
drive aisle. Conceptual building elevations were submitted as shown. Building
materials consist of stucco, with standing metal seam awnings. Final design is required
to comply with the design standards in the architectural standards manual. No written
testimony has been received on this application. Staff is recommending approval with
the conditions in Exhibit B of the staff report. Staff will stand for any questions.
Fitzgerald: Any questions of staff? Would the applicant like to come forward. Sir,
please give us your name and address before you start, please.
Lennon: Tom Lennon with Erstad Architects. 310 North 5th Street. Representing
Rocky Mountain Companies, the developer of the property. We do not have any -- we
have -- well, we have no response negatively to the staff report. We are in full
agreement. If -- we would prefer not to have that buffer in red that was shown on the --
on the screen, but if that's a deal breaker we are okay with it. We did not get a written
response back to Sonya until later this afternoon after she requested it today, mainly
because we were making sure that all the conditions that were asked for we could do
with our engineering crew and landscape. So, we are good with everything that's here.
Fitzgerald: Any questions to the applicant? Commissioner Yearsley.
Yearsley: Mr. Chair. Can I ask why you don't want the little island in red?
Lennon: I have got a feeling that we are going to be asked to eliminate some of the
parking adjacent to the building, just for -- for backup on that -- on that driveway, so we
would like to keep that if at all possible. We would like to try and maintain as many of
those parking spaces as we can. The two employee over on the west side, no big deal.
Yeah.
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Yearsley: Right. Okay. No, I just -- just was curious.
Lennon: Sure.
Yearsley: Thank you.
Fitzgerald: And, sir, just for the record, the -- the ordering platform or the squawk box is
pointed south towards Chinden; correct?
Lennon: Correct.
Fitzgerald: So, it's away from anything that would be --
Lennon: Yeah. Away from the north, which is the closest residential that we have.
Yeah.
Fitzgerald: Any additional questions for the applicant? Thank you, sir, very much.
Lennon: Okay.
Fitzgerald: Chris, do we have any signed up wanting to testify?
Johnson: Mr. Chairman, we have five signed in, three wishing to testify. The first was
the applicant. Next is Andrew Lawrence.
Fitzgerald: Mr. Lawrence, you want to come up and state your name and address for
the record, please?
Lawrence: Andrew Lawrence. 1685 West Brandt Lane, Meridian. I am 50 feet or less
from that facility. The exit comes right in my back door and all my windows at
bedrooms. Why does it have to face that way? Why can't the exit come in from the -- I
mean the drive-thru come in from the -- from the west and, then, go south and, then,
exit after they get their stuff? Why does it have to go west -- I mean east and, then,
north aiming right at my house less than 50 feet away and, then, going west. That's my
only complaint. These people have every right to build a business there. They stated
the night that you had the new high school Planning and Zoning thing, they were
supposed to have been here and met with us. We got a letter from him and there was a
no show and, then, a couple weeks ago they had a cancellation when it was supposed
to come for Planning and Zoning and they postponed it until tonight. He was very
uncooperative as far as I'm concerned. They made no attempt -- knowing there is a
house right there -- to stop and talk to us. Others have. So, I'm really upset about this
and I object totally to the plan of their entrance and exit to the drive-thru. If that can be
fixed or they can put in big shrubs to block the light, then, I can go along with it and on
my house -- I don't know if you guys have ever driven by there. I'm sure you have. I
have some skyrocket junipers on the Linder side that goes a full -- almost the full length
of my property and they were put there by -- I can't remember his first name.
Eisenberg, the developer, to help us with the development across the street, which was
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Fred Meyer. So, I'm going to ask you for that and I'm asking for something like that on
your property, so they can shield us from their lights or change the direction. Thank
you. Any questions?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Yearsley.
Yearsley: So, I think the reason why they wanted to go this way is because of the
speaker, when they talk to the microphone, is facing away from your property and so
that's kind of why they are -- I think that's why they tried to do it that way and so you
wouldn't have the sound from the speaker going towards your property and so I guess
my question is is would you rather have the sound or the light? We could potentially
make -- add some shrubs for that if --
Lawrence: Are you familiar with Taco Bell across the street?
Yearsley I am not.
Lawrence: I can hear their drive-thru. I can hear their speakers and at 5:30 on
Thursday mornings I can hear the trash trucks come and shake their dumpster. So,
what's going to happen 50 feet away from me when they come and shake these guys'
dumpster? I'm going to get up at 5:30 or whatever time they come, whether I want to or
not.
Yearsley: Right.
Lawrence: They can shield those speakers and put something -- something on the
edge of it to -- I understand to suppress that sound. It doesn't -- I mean it's not going to
be aiming at my house.
Yearsley: Right.
Lawrence: That can be dealt with.
Yearsley: Okay.
Lawrence: And it can also be dealt with with shrubbery.
Yearsley: Right. Okay. I just wanted to --
Lawrence: I understand.
Yearsley: Thank you.
Lawrence: The lights are -- are equally as bad as the sound. It's a problem in other
wa ys.
Yearsley: I totally understand.
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Lawrence: In fact, there is an Idaho City credit union -- or a credit union across the
street in that Fred Meyer shopping center and when people come through to their drive-
thru their lights ring -- aim right at my house, but what they did was they built a retaining
wall that shields those lights. It's always the great big fancy trucks that would do that,
that would go above that.
Yearsley: Okay.
Lawrence: I mean there is so many problems that -- any other questions?
Cassinelli: Mr. Chairman?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Cassinelli.
Cassinelli: Is it your -- you're the property adjacent to Linder; is that correct? To the
north of the --
Lawrence: Yes. On the corner.
Cassinelli: Okay. Do you have a fence in your -- in your backyard?
Lawrence: We have vinyl fencing.
Cassinelli: Is it a standard six foot fence?
Lawrence: Oh, no. It's like a four or five foot fence.
Cassinelli: Okay.
Lawrence: But it's -- it's the vinyl --
Cassinelli: Slatted.
Lawrence: -- farm fencing.
Cassinelli: Oh, the farm -- okay. Like a three rail fence. Okay.
Lawrence: I had to train my dogs not to go under it.
Cassinelli: Important there. Thank you.
Fitzgerald: Any additional questions? Thank you, sir, very much. We appreciate it.
Johnson: Next is Casimir Sergei. You can bring an interpreter.
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Fitzgerald: Oh, no. He wants to testify for the church I think.
Johnson: My apologies.
Fitzgerald: Thank you. We will make a change. The church application.
Johnson: And that was everyone.
Fitzgerald: Does anyone in the audience wish to testify on this application that hasn't
yet or hasn't been called? Would the applicant like to come back up and respond?
Lennon: Name again?
Fitzgerald: Yes, sir.
Lennon: Tom Lennon with Erstad Architects. Our apologies to Mr. Chestnut.
Screening we can provide. No issues there. I think we could -- we would be more than
happy to work with the planning department as do we want something more solid or do
we want to do some -- you know, we can stagger the screening, maybe starting at the
berm adjacent to the street. The one point I would like to make is that -- Commissioner
Yearsley, like you brought up and I appreciate that -- because the speaker is facing
south we also have the building between the gentleman's house and our speaker, which
is a lot different than what Taco Bell is across the street and as far as the trash guys, I
think -- I don't know what we can do about that, but -- but as far as the screening and
the -- and the lights, I totally understand that. What we -- I have just spoken with the
client, we can easily get that taken care of in our design review.
Fitzgerald: Okay. Any --
Holland: Mr. Chairman?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Holland.
Holland: One question. Could you clarify what the hours of operation will look like for
this facility?
Lennon: 7:00?
Holland: The hours of operation, how early they will be open and how late they will be
open.
Lennon: So, 11:00 in the morning until 10:00 at night.
Holland: Thank you.
Lennon: No early morning 5:30 breakfast.
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Fitzgerald: And, Sonya, this is a CUP, so in working with the applicant to make sure
that proper landscaping or buffering, I guess, of the gentleman's house, how would we
put that in place?
Allen: Mr. Chair, staff would appreciate some pretty clear direction from the
Commission.
Fitzgerald: Got it.
Allen: Staff is happy to work with the applicant to -- to get there, but some clear
direction would be good. Also if you're inclined to restrict the hours of operation that
would also be something that you would need to recommend in the staff report.
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Yearsley, go right ahead, sir.
Yearsley: Mr. Chair. So, clear direction. Do you mean by shrubs or a fence? Or do we
just want to say screening and let you decide? I just want to make sure that what -- that
clear direction. But I can -- I think from that I --
Allen: The more details the better.
Yearsley: Okay.
Allen: If you're -- if you're going with landscaping it would be good to know, you know,
spacing. If we are talking, you know, location, if we are talking on this property or on the
neighbor's property. He might prefer being on their -- on his property. That's something
you may want to ask him.
Yearsley: And I guess the question is do you have room for a small fence along your
edge of your property to put it there? Because I think the fence would be a better
screen than landscaping.
Lennon: Yeah. We are good.
Yearsley: Okay.
Lennon: We would -- yeah, we can do the solid fence and we probably want to screen it
from the street side, though, just to make sure we buffer that a little bit.
Yearsley: Okay. I'm good. That works.
Cassinelli: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Cassinelli.
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Cassinelli: Is there -- would you have a -- if it was a fence, something solid like that,
would you have a preference of a -- of a material? Do you want -- I mean stone versus
-- versus a fence? As the architect what would you --
Lennon: I think I -- I would rather not choose that tonight if possible. If I can do a solid
fence of some kind that -- and we could work with staff through the DR and CZC, I think
we can come up with a solution that would work for -- for all parties.
Cassinelli: Okay.
Fitzgerald: Bill, did you want to add anything to the discussion?
Parsons: Mr. Chair, Members of the Commission, certainly if you -- the applicant has to
go through design review. As part of screening requirements we typically want a wall or
any kind of mechanical screening. We wanted it to compliment the design or the -- the
architecture of the building. So, I think we could probably get there with the applicant if
they are willing to do more than just a wood fence or a vinyl fence, but at least when
they are designing this and working with us they think about that context as part of the
design review application to incorporate some of those same materials, so it's -- it's a
cohesive design and we get something attractive along that street.
Lennon: If I may, there is no stone on our buildings and if we could try to incorporate
something with the colors, the plaster, the metals that are -- that are on the building, I
would prefer something that way, rather than a stone. It's kind of --
Fitzgerald: It's stucco; correct, sir? It's a stucco -- stucco building?
Lennon: Yes.
Fitzgerald: Okay.
Lennon: Yes.
Fitzgerald: Any additional questions?
Yearsley: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Cassi -- or Yearsley. I can -- I'm looking both ways. Yes, sir.
Go ahead.
Yearsley: Sonya, do you have issues with removing the red island that -- your island in
red?
Allen: Mr. Chair, Commissioner Yearsley, Commissioners, I do not. It was actually a
recommendation and it was worded as such in the staff report, so they can take it or
leave it.
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Yearsley: Okay.
Allen: If you would prefer that it be there though, however, you can make that change
to the staff report. I would like to actually -- I just realized that I forgot a condition of
approval in the staff report that needs to be there. Hours of operation in the C-C zoning
district when adjacent to residential uses is restricted from 6:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m.
There is a local street that separates this site from the residential. So, it's not directly
adjacent to it, but if that is something that you would wish to include in the conditions,
please, note that.
Fitzgerald: Are you good with those?
Lennon: Uh-huh.
Fitzgerald: Any additional questions for staff or the applicant?
Holland: Mr. Chair, just one question. When Sonya was giving some conversations
about what we could or couldn't do, I wonder if we want to ask the gentleman who has
the house on the corner of Island Green and Linder, while we still have the hearing
open, if perhaps it would be better to work -- have this tenant work with them to build the
fence on their side, rather than having a fence on the -- this property itself? If we want
to have that conversation.
Yearsley: Well, I think he talked about it how he would prefer the screening to be on
their -- on their property, not on the other side of the street and I think that makes a lot
more sense.
Fitzgerald: Yeah. Working off property gets a little hairy, especially because that's not
-- this chunk right here is not his property.
Holland: Okay.
Allen: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Yes, ma'am.
Allen: If I may, what I heard, which may or may not be correct, from the neighbor was
that he didn't expect it to be put on his place -- on his property. So, you -- if you want to
get clarification from him.
Fitzgerald: Sir, would you mind stepping to -- would you come forward, sir, again and
give us your thoughts if -- if you would like this landscaping on your property or on the
Del Taco property.
Lawrence: Name and address again?
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Fitzgerald: Please. That would be great.
Lawrence: Andrew Lawrence. 1685 West Brandt Lane, Meridian, Idaho. I was thinking
of shrubbery. I would not like that on my property. If there was alteration to my fence, I
would not object to that. You know, if it was discussed and I agreed on what they
decided to do. There is also -- I don't know who owns the -- who they consider the
ownership of the easement from the outside of my fence to the street. That would be a
good place for -- for shrubbery or whatever, but I'm willing to work with them. I'm not --
you know, not totally a bad guy.
Fitzgerald: Okay. Any questions -- any additional questions? Thank you, sir, very
much for the clarification.
Lawrence: Thank you.
Fitzgerald: Would the applicant like to come back real quick? Any additional thoughts
on working with them on a fence for his property or -- or how would you guys rather
handle it? Would you rather handle it on your property or on -- on his?
Lennon: We would prefer on our property.
Fitzgerald: Okay.
Lennon: Yeah.
Fitzgerald: Okay.
Lennon: Just to make everything clean. We start working on another property it's --
and it's city property between us and him, so --
Fitzgerald: Okay. Any additional questions?
Holland: Don't think so.
Cassinelli: Mr. Chair? Oh, not for the applicant.
Fitzgerald: Okay. Thank you very much, sir. We appreciate it. Commissioner
Cassinelli, go ahead.
Cassinelli: I did have a -- a question for staff. Is -- is -- is this one pad site, is this -- is
that -- is there a DA that it's over all those -- the businesses that are going -- that C-C
section there, are they all independent? And the reason I'm asking is for fencing
material, whatever we -- whatever we make a motion for, does it need to -- is there
given materials or anything or -- that fit within -- I know there is a bank right next to that
and I believe there is a -- many other businesses that are going in.
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Allen: Is your question is there a development agreement on this?
Cassinelli: Correct. That would govern a fence or something.
Allen: There is a development agreement on this property, but it doesn't speak to
what's been discussed here tonight.
Cassinelli: We can --
Allen: If you're -- if you're wanting to make a requirement for this development you need
to make it with the conditional use permit that's before you tonight.
Cassinelli: Okay. Thank you.
Fitzgerald: Any additional questions of staff?
Cassinelli: Mr. Chairman?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Cassinelli.
Cassinelli: I move we close the public hearing on Item No. 4-B, Del Taco, H-2018-0106.
Holland: Second.
Fitzgerald: I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing on H-2018-0106.
All those in favor say aye. Opposed same. Motion passes.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. THREE ABSENT.
Fitzgerald: Okay. Who wants to start?
Yearsley: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Yearsley.
Yearsley: I think, you know, based on the discussion that we had, I like the idea of a
fence being on their property. I don' know if I really care to tell them what it is, as long
as they work with staff and -- and have it be complementary to their building. I think
between the architect and the staff they can come up with a look that will look well,
because I can tell you I can't -- that's not under my purview, so -- and I do -- I'm -- I
understand the applicant's request not wanting to put that one island in, but I think the
other island that Sonya -- the one in green, I think it makes a lot of sense. It will be a lot
cleaner to have that in there and I understand what his -- you know, trying to back out, if
-- if he has that there, the -- those couple of parking spots close to the building may end
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up having to go away or reconfigured. So, I think with the green one I think it will help
with the traffic flow, make it a lot cleaner. So, that's -- that's what I would recommend.
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Holland.
Holland: Mr. Chair. One question for staff, too. I'm sorry I missed this one earlier. Do
we have any proposed projects for south of the site currently? I know we -- we saw one
that was a bank somewhat recently that came through.
Allen: Yes, we do. There was a carwash that was recently approved there. Just -- just
another couple thoughts -- I don't want to beat this to death, but on the -- on the
screening requirements you might leave an out. If you're leaning towards a fence in
your recommendation or your decision I should say, you might leave an out. Maybe
require that or as -- as agreed upon with the -- with the neighbor and the applicant.
Typically we don't like to provide too much screening of drive-thrus. We want it to be
visible for public surveillance from the streets for the officers and whatnot for safety.
This particular site is open from Linder Road, but I just -- I just want to be careful and
not totally wall it off either from Island Green, so --
Fitzgerald: And, Sonya, we have done just like ten foot wall sections before, like brick
ones --
Allen: Yeah.
Fitzgerald: -- that are -- that are -- that chilled the sound or the --
Allen: Right.
Fitzgerald: -- the light, so I would --
Allen: Yeah. I think we can come to some agreement and I would be willing to facilitate
a meeting with the applicant and the neighbor as well if that would help, so -- anyway,
that's my thought.
Yearsley: Well -- and my -- my thinking of a fence was just wide enough for the
screening for the light. So, I wasn't talking about the entire property, so --
Fitzgerald: And that's my -- my take as well is I would want it to be as wide as the need
be to block the -- the lights, but not any wider, because I think -- they wouldn't want it for
marketing purposes, but -- and -- and the police wouldn't want it for being able to track
what's going on there. So, that would be my take.
Holland: The only other thoughts I have, too, I -- I would agree, I think the landscape
buffer on the west side of the property makes a lot of sense to help traffic flow. I don't
see having the -- the spot that's designated in red with the -- extending the curb is
something I would necessarily want to see. I think it could be -- I know sometimes when
I go through a drive-thru and I may be missing some sauces or whatever to go with my
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tacos, sometimes it's easier to pull back in the parking lot and run back inside, rather
than to loop all the way back around. So, yeah, that -- I think that would be the only
change I would -- I would request, aside from having some sort of landscaping buffer
and I'm open to leaving some discretion for staff and the applicant to work with the -- the
neighbor on what would be appropriate there.
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Cassinelli, do you have any thoughts?
Cassinelli: I'm -- I'm in agreement with my fellow Commissioners that we come up with
a satisfactory screen. I don't think that we need the curb extended in the red. I do --
and just to clarify, Sonya, the green what -- what -- what's -- what's the intent in the
green there?
Allen: Chairman, Commissioners, the intent of the green is so that we don't have traffic
coming in the access here, driving in this way. We don't have traffic going in this way,
conflicting with the drive-thru traffic coming out. That one was more important to staff
and that is a requirement, unless you guys make a change to it and this one, again, was
just -- the red line was just a recommendation.
Cassinelli: Okay.
Allen: And just one more note --
Fitzgerald: No more notes.
Allen: As you can -- the neighbor that testified, I believe his property is right here. It
looks like -- the kind of pink area on the north side of the road and that was that kind of
buffer area that already had some landscaping in it. That is part of this subdivision, so
possibly some landscaping could be put on that lot, rather than the neighbor's property
or on this property. You know, I would think that would be a good option.
Fitzgerald: And up with giving staff the -- and the applicant and the neighbor a leeway
to make a good decision. I think -- I think working with the developer is going to be --
working off your own property gets --
Yearsley: Oh, absolutely. No. I understand. But we don't -- I heard the comment be
specific, but, then, we are getting all sorts of different options, so --
Fitzgerald: So, my take --
Cassinelli: Whoever wants to do a motion can design it anyway they want.
Fitzgerald: My -- I agree with all of you about the -- the red extension to the curb. I
don't think that's necessary. I think the project works there. I do appreciate the
applicant being cognizant of the squawk box being away from the residential and I
appreciate their willingness to work with that -- with the neighbors to block their
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headlights in the back of their house and so I think in that regard I would entertain a
motion if there is any -- unless there is any additional comments, but I think a solid
fence -- a solid wall or, you know, some significant landscaping there, giving staff the
leeway to do it would probably be my thought.
Yearsley: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Yearsley.
Yearsley: After considering all staff, applicant, and public testimony, I move to approve
file number H-2018-0106 as presented in the staff report for the hearing date of
November 1st, with the following modifications: That the condition of -- that the hours of
operation be limited to 6:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. and that the applicant work with the
adjacent homeowner to come up with an appropriate screening of the lights for the -- for
the property, preferably a fence, but, hopefully, a mutual agreeable solution that's
specific enough.
Holland: I will second.
Fitzgerald: Just a clarification. Are we -- the extension of the curb, is that not a
condition that we have to worry about?
Yearsley: It was a recommendation is what I understood.
Fitzgerald: I have a motion and a second. All those in favor say aye. Opposed same.
Motion passes. Thank you very much.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. THREE ABSENT.
C. Public Hearing Continued from October 18, 2018 for Alturas
Rezone H-2018-0105) by Travis Barney, Alturas 1550 Tech
Lane, LLC, Located at 1550 S. Tech Ln.
1. Request: Rezone of 7.24 acres from I-L to C-G zone
Fitzgerald: Okay. Moving on to our next application. Open the public hearing on H-
2018-0105, Alturas Rezone and we will start with the staff report.
Allen: Thank you, Mr. Chair, Members of the Commission. This application is for a
rezone. This site consists of 7.24 acres of land. It's zoned I-L, located at 1550 South
Tech Lane. This property is part of a larger area that is subject to the terms of a
planned development that was approved in 2001 that allowed professional and sales
offices, a daycare center, and a community and neighborhood shopping center -- retail
uses with approval of a conditional use permit, along with any allowed uses in the I-L
zoning district. The Comprehensive Plan future land use map designation for this
property is commercial. The applicant is requesting a rezone of 7.24 acres of land from
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the I-L to the C-G zoning district, consistent with the commercial future land use
designation. The applicant is proposing to continue the current use of the property of
retail, office, and church uses. No new development or redevelopment is proposed at
this time. The applicant is requesting the terms of the previously approved planned
development to no longer apply to this development as a provision of the subject rezone
application through the development agreement. City services, sewer, water and police
and fire protection are currently provided to this property. Due to the limited sanitary
sewer capacity available to this property, all new proposed tenants should first obtain
approval from the Public Works Department prior to leasing and occupying space within
the building. There is an existing full access for this site via South Tech Lane, a private
local street, along the west boundary of the property. I will just flip to the site plan here.
That is this road right here. I'm actually going to just go into the aerial view of the
property. It's a little easier to see here. This is the property right here. So, this is their
existing access via Tech Lane and, then, they also have an existing full access via
Overland Road right here, which is an arterial street and they do share that access with
the property to the east, the Intermountain Pet Hospital. The ingress access to this site
by Overland is located on the adjacent property, the veterinary property to the east,
while their egress is located on this property. This is the sole access for the property to
the east. Although the shared access physically exists and is being used by both
parties, there is no ingress-egress easement currently in place. The current
configuration of the access via Overland and parking lot design on both properties is not
a safe design and creates traffic conflicts and unsafe conditions. You will notice here --
I will just kind of zoom in. This island here kind of restricts traffic when they are coming
around here to kind of pull in front of this driveway in here to get over here to the exit.
Same way coming in and going to this property. The two property owners are currently
working together on a redesign of the entrance to their properties and parking lots that
will create a more safe access via Overland and circulation between both properties,
with a new cross-access driveway further to the north between the two properties. As
part of the certificate of zoning compliance for that project, the property owner was
required to record a reciprocal cross-access ingress-egress easement with the subject
property owner, which I understand is currently in process. The UDC requires access to
be taken from a local street when available and restricts access to collector and arterial
streets. This standard applies when there is a new, expanded or extended use or
development of the property such as this, where the zoning and use is changing from
industrial to a more intense commercial zoning and use. Because this site has access
via a local street, South Tech Lane, access would typically be restricted to that access
and access via the arterial street, Overland Road, would be terminated unless otherwise
waived by City Council. Because there is no legal means of ingress to this property or
egress for the adjoining property via Overland Road, if the applicant wishes to retain the
access via Overland staff recommends a reciprocal cross-access ingress-egress
easement is recorded with the adjacent property to the east prior to rezone ordinance
approval as a provision of the proposed rezone in accord with UDC 11-3A-3, which
requires cross-access easements to be granted to adjacent properties when access via
a local street isn't available. A total of 222 off-street parking spaces currently exist on
this site. However, the eastern portion of this parking lot is proposed to be reconfigured,
as I mentioned, through a separate certificate of zoning compliance application that was
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recently approved, which will result in a reduction in parking to 215 spaces. Based on
the square footage of the building, which is 106,000 square feet, a minimum of 212
spaces are required. The existing and proposed parking complies with the minimum
UDC standards, although staff is concerned there will be adequate parking for the uses.
The applicant should be mindful of the type of potential tenants and their parking needs
to ensure adequate parking continues to be provided on the site. Street buffers,
landscaping and sidewalks exist on the site along West Overland Road and South Tech
Lane in accord with UDC standards. There are two existing loading dock areas on the
west and one on the east end of the building facing Overland Road and that is these
areas right here -- that the applicant wishes to continue using. Current design
standards do not allow loading docks in areas that face in arterial street. However,
because the loading docks were lawfully constructed at the time, they are considered a
nonconforming use and as such are allowed to remain and be used subject to the
standards listed in the UDC for nonconforming uses. Staff is recommending approval
with the requirement of a development agreement containing the provisions in the staff
report. Staff will stand for any questions.
Fitzgerald: Any questions for staff? Thank you, Sonya.
Holland: Oh, one question. I'm sorry.
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Holland.
Holland Sonya, the biggest benefit of them going through this rezone is just so they can
have the existing uses continue the way that they should, because it's commercial
rather than light industrial?
Allen: Yes. Yes. And not have a use permit.
Holland: Thank you.
Fitzgerald: Additional questions? Would the application like to come forward, please?
Please state your name and address for us.
Clark: Members of the Commission, my name is Hethe Clark. 251 East Front Street in
Boise. I'm with the law firm of Spink Butler, representing the applicant. Just a couple of
brief comments. This idea came up shortly after my clients acquired the property in a
meeting with Bill and we were discussing, you know, the way that the property has been
used, but the way that it was anticipated to be used in the future. The -- the rezone, as
Sonya mentioned, matches the Comprehensive Plan designation of commercial. It also
helps us with some of our -- with our -- our tenant mix. Here is an example is one of our
primary tenants is a furniture consignment store. It's been a great tenant. They would
like to take more space. It's easier to accommodate that in a -- in a commercial zone
than it is in the light industrial. And as Sonya mentioned, no site changes are proposed
with the application. We are in agreement with the terms and conditions of the staff
report. I just need to make one comment about that. I try really hard to make Sonja
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happy. It's like one of the main things that I do in life and I got really close on this one.
So, we have been talking a lot about this cross-access with the business on the east.
This has quite a bit of history. We have -- we have been working through this. We
actually had a CZC on this property six or eight months ago and we did give a
conditional easement there that was conditioned on our neighbor giving us an
easement, but we just haven't quite gotten to the end of those discussions. As Sonya
mentioned, we are very close. We have a CZC that's approved. We have an easement
agreement that has been drafted. We should have this wrapped up prior to going to
Council, but I just want to state a reservation, let's put it that way, that if for some reason
those negotiations go sideways that I would like to be able to revisit that condition by the
time we get to Council. But what I'm proposing now, because I like to make Sonya
happy, is to stick with the conditions as they are currently drafted and just have this on
the record in the meantime. Any questions?
Fitzgerald: Any questions for the applicant?
Yearsley: My only comment was we want to make Sonya happy.
Fitzgerald: Me, too. A happy Sonya makes us all happy.
Clark: Yeah.
Fitzgerald: Any questions for the application at this time? Thanks, Hethe. We
appreciate it.
Clark: Thank you.
Fitzgerald: Chris, anybody signed up to testify?
Johnson: There was nobody signed in.
Fitzgerald: Is there anyone in the audience that would like to testify on this application?
Hethe, do you need to say anything else? Okay. Is there any additional --
Holland: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Oh, Commissioner Holland.
Holland: I was just going to make a motion.
Fitzgerald: You go right ahead, ma'am.
Holland: Close the public hearing for the Alturas Rezone, H-2018-0105.
Cassinelli: Second.
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Fitzgerald: I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing on Alturas
Rezone, H-2018-0105. All those in favor say aye. Opposed same. Motion passes and
we will close the public hearing.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. THREE ABSENT.
Fitzgerald: Any thoughts?
Cassinelli: Slam dunk.
Yearsley: Yeah. No one's against it and it's just trying to make it easier for them to do
their business.
Fitzgerald: And my only comment -- and we appreciate you guys working with them. I
think trying to get that -- the access point for both places -- because they cross, which I
think is nuts. Trying to get that cleaned up would be -- we very much appreciate that. I
think the pet hospital and their tenant -- or their owner would be -- I think it would be a
good thing for that area. That's that crazy weird intersection and so we applaud your
efforts to get that cleaned up.
Holland: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Yes, ma'am. Go right ahead.
Holland: The only comment I had -- it always pains me a little bit when we have these
nice industrial buildings that turn into commercial uses, because there is just not a lot of
inventory in the valley for nice industrial spaces, but with the tenants that they have and
the operation that they want to move forward with, I don't have any concerns with
changing the use to make it a little bit more easy for the -- the customers they are
serving.
Fitzgerald: Could I entertain a motion?
Cassinelli: Mr. Chairman?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Cassinelli.
Cassinelli: After considering all staff, applicant and public testimony, I move to
recommend approval to City Council -- this isn't a CUP; right? No. It's a rezone. To
City Council of file number H-2018-0105 as presented in the staff report for the hearing
date of November 1st, 2018.
Yearsley: Second.
Fitzgerald: I have a motion and a second. All those in favor say aye. Opposed same.
Motion passes. And we appreciate -- congratulations. Good luck.
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MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. THREE ABSENT.
D. Public Hearing for Sulamita Church (H-2018-0110) by Matthew
Garner, Located at 4973 W. Cherry Ln.
1. Request: Conditional Use Permit for a church on 8.49 acres
of land in an R-8 zoning district
Fitzgerald: Okay. Moving on to the next application. I would like to open the public
hearing on H-2018-0110, Sulamita Church and start with the staff report.
Allen: Mr. Chair, Members of the Commission, the next application before you is a
request for a conditional use permit. This site consists of 8.49 acres of land. It's zoned
R-8, located at 4973 West Cherry Lane at the southwest corner of West Cherry Lane
and North Black Cat Road. Adjacent land use and zoning. To the north and south are
rural residential and agricultural uses, zoned RUT in Ada county. To the west is vacant
undeveloped land, zoned R-8. It's also owned by the subject property owner. And to
the east is Black Cat Road and single family residential properties, zoned R-4. This
property was annexed back in 2014 and a conditional use permit was approved for a
church for the same use and same church and everything, but it has since expired from
that time. So, that's why they are reapplying. The Comprehensive Plan future land use
map designation is medium density residential. A conditional use permit is requested
for a 28,457 square foot church facility in an R-8 zoning district. There is an existing
vacant home and accessory structures on this site. Those are located here at the
bottom corner of the development. The applicant is requesting approval for the home to
be used as a job trailer during the construction of the church and they will remove all
structures prior to issuance of certificate of occupancy for the church. One access via
Black Cat Road and one access via West Cherry Lane is proposed for the site as
shown. The access via Black Cat is required to align with West Thorn Creek Street
across the street to the east as required by ACHD. Parking is provided on the site in
accord with UDC standards. A minimum of 57 off-street parking spaces are required,
191 spaces are proposed. A 25 foot wide landscape street buffer and sidewalk is
required to be constructed along the entire frontage of the development on Cherry and
Black Cat. Ten Mile Creek runs along the south boundary of the site and is required to
be protected during construction. A ten foot wide pathway is required to be constructed
along the north side of the creek with development in accord with the pathways master
plan. There are no written testimony -- there is no written testimony on this application
and staff is recommending approval with the conditions in the report. Staff will stand for
any questions.
Fitzgerald: Any questions for staff? Would the applicant like to come forward, please?
Please provide your name and address for the record, please, sir.
Garner: Thank you, Commissioners. It's -- am I on? Matthew Garner. My address is
224 16th Avenue South in Nampa. 83651. As Sonya just said, the -- the CUP was
issued back in 2015. It did expire and now the church is ready to proceed with the work
and so we are applying for the conditional use permit to be reinstated or continued.
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Conditions of approval are great with us. I did have one question. It says that the future
structure inside design shall comply with design standards in the architecture standards
manual. Will this be addressed -- because we already have the building designed. Will
we be able to address this during a design review or a CZC?
Fitzgerald: Sonya, you want to cover that real quick?
Garner: Did you hear me, Sonya?
Allen: Sorry, I did not. Would you repeat the question?
Garner: Item No. 8, we will have to still go through a design review and a CZC --
Allen: Yes.
Garner: -- so we can address to make sure that our architectural design, which is
already complete, will comply with the architectural design standards.
Allen: Yes. That is on the staff report. Yes.
Garner: So, yeah, that's all I have is just we are -- we are excited to get it going.
Fitzgerald: Very good. Any questions for the applicant?
Cassinelli: I do have a question.
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Cassinelli, go ahead.
Cassinelli: In the lower left -- I guess that would be the -- the southwest corner of the
property -- are there -- it says unmodified portion of parcel -- are there existing plans for
that or is it --
Garner: Where are you at?
Cassinelli: Down there -- I don't know if that's just grass area or --
Garner: Everything behind the church is going to be designed, basically, to have --
Cassinelli: It should be on your screen.
Garner: There is nothing on this screen. But everything behind the church itself where
those buildings are down there that will be removed, that will all be activity fields. So, it
will be, basically, sod back there.
Cassinelli: Okay. Thank you.
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Fitzgerald: Now you destroyed everything, Chris. Sonya, while he's bringing that up, is
that in our -- in agreement as well. Is that all going to turn into sod and activity fields,
rather than how its presented here, as it kind of being undeveloped? Or unmodified?
Allen: Yes. It's part -- it's part of the use.
Fitzgerald: Okay. I just want to make sure that's on record. Any additional questions of
the applicant? Thank you very much, sir. We appreciate it.
Garner: Thank you.
Fitzgerald: Chris, is there anyone signed up to testify on this application?
Johnson: There are 21 persons signed in. Two indicating they wish to testify. Anton
Boyarchuk.
Fitzgerald: Hello, sir. Please give us your name and address for the record, please.
Boyarchuk: Yes. Anton Boyarchuk. 399 East Santiago Drive, Meridian, Idaho, and I
am here to say that I approve this church building, because we need to grow, you know,
because our church is growing and we need to grow. I am a full-fledged board member
of this church and I approve what they are all doing trying to accommodate this in a very
timely manner, because it's been going on for a very long time and we decided to
actually build a church. We need to grow. We are growing and numbers are stacking,
which is really seriously want to build a church, have in place to gather, have our
children grow, have a school, have a daycare, something similar to that. Something
down the road with some other upgrades if possible. I approve of this. I have nothing
else to say.
Fitzgerald: You're welcome. Any questions? Thank you very much.
Johnson: Kazimir Sergey.
Kazimir: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. I would like to -- my name is Sergey
Kazimir. My address is 5431 North Blacksand Avenue, Meridian, Idaho. 83646. And I
am -- I am part of the church and we are so excited about this building -- building project
and we hope everyone -- a lot of individuals can get whatever they need from the Lord
for their souls and that would be good blessing for the community. Thank you.
Fitzgerald: Thank you, sir. We appreciate it. Is there anyone else who would like to
testify on this application? Sir, go right ahead. Please state your name and address for
the record.
Bennett: Good afternoon. My name is Jesse Bennett. 3848 West Newland. I live in
the area. I do have a concern I would like to bring to the Commission to consider and
that is the ditch or the creek that runs south of the property. There -- more and more as
the area grows a lot of children tend to use the sidewalks in the areas. I notice that on
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the plans it shows it's undeveloped and there is no -- I would like the Commission to just
take into account that we want to make sure that that area is safe or -- or that there is
some type of plan to make sure that children who are using -- or people who are using
that side of the street have a safe access or area to walk on. Thank you.
Fitzgerald: Thank you, sir. Anyone else wish to testify? Would the applicant like to
come back and respond to anything?
Garner: Matt Garner. Address 224 16th Avenue South in Nampa. As far as the canal
there, I think it is a condition of the approval that there will be a pathway that's going to
be built along the creek there on the north side that will be -- and like we said that big
field back behind there will be developed. It's going to be activity fields and with that
pathway going through there, you know, we will make that usable along that side and --
Fitzgerald: Very good. Thanks, Matt.
Garner: That's it.
Fitzgerald: Any other questions for the applicant? Thank you very much.
Garner: Thank you.
Fitzgerald: Any other questions for staff? I would entertain a motion to close this public
hearing.
Holland: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Holland.
Holland: I move we close the public hearing for the Sulamita Church, H-2018-0110.
Cassinelli: Second.
Fitzgerald: I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing on H-2018-0110.
All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Motion to close the public hearing is passed.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. THREE ABSENT.
Fitzgerald: Thoughts? Commissioner Cassinelli.
Cassinelli: I am -- I am in favor. They have -- they were granted a CUP approval in
2000 -- was it 2014 or '1? When was it?
Holland: '14.
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Cassinelli: '14. Okay. Too many dates tonight. I think it -- you know, they are -- they
want to comply with everything. No objections from staff. I think it all looks good and I
think it will fit in that -- in that -- in that area nicely.
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Holland.
Holland: Mr. Chair, I -- I don't have any concerns with the application. I think it looks
like a nice -- nice layout. I think it's great on that corner. There is -- it's always nice to
see something other than houses on corners when you have got a lot of traffic going on
them, so I appreciate the site plan. I think they have got a lot of green space in it, which
we always like seeing, especially when there is a pathway that connects into some of
the neighboring -- neighboring neighborhoods and other uses in the future. So, no
concerns here.
Yearsley: Mr. Chair, I --
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Yearsley.
Yearsley: I -- when the application came forward I was like I thought we already
approved that, but I understand why we are doing it again. I voted for it the first time, I
will vote for it on the second time.
Fitzgerald: And I -- I totally agree. I think the -- the site plan looks great and just for
clarification, Sonya, we don't have any problem with them using the existing structure as
a job trailer, as long as it's removed before zoning -- or I mean -- before occupancy;
correct? Mr. Chair, correct.
Fitzgerald: Okay. No, I think it's -- it's a great design. I think you guys are going
through design review anyway and so I think it should be a good addition to that
neighborhood. So, I think I will entertain a motion, unless there is additional comments.
Cassinelli: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Cassinelli.
Cassinelli: After considering all staff, applicant, and public testimony, I move to approve
file number H-2018-0110 as presented in the staff report for the hearing date of
November 1st, 2018.
Yearsley: Second.
Fitzgerald: I have a motion and a second to approve H-2018-0110. All those in favor
say aye. Opposed same. Motion passes. Congratulations. Thank you. Appreciate it.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. THREE ABSENT.
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E. Public Hearing for Elevate Franklin Storage ( H-2018-0109) by
Ten Mile Development, LLC, Located at the NW corner of W.
Franklin Rd. and N. Umbria Hill's Ave. at 3755 W. Perugia St.
1. Request: Rezone of 3.53 acres of land from the L-O to the
R- 15 zoning district; and
2. Request: a Development Agreement Modification to remove
the subject property from the existing agreement (Instrument
No. 106002636, Silver Oaks Subdivision)
Fitzgerald: Okay. We will open the public hearing on H-2018-0109, Elevate Franklin
Storage and start with the staff report. Did you get all of them tonight?
Allen: I did, Mr. Chair.
Fitzgerald: Man.
Allen: I am the lucky one.
Fitzgerald: Wow. You draw the short straw.
Allen: Now I'm going to be teased incessantly by staff about --
Fitzgerald: Did you need a water break or anything?
Allen: -- making sure I'm happy.
Fitzgerald: Exactly.
Allen: Thank you for that. All right. The next application before you is a request for a
rezone application. There is a development agreement modification as well, but that is
Council review. You can make any comments you would like. But, anyway, it doesn't
require Commission action. This site consists of 3.53 acres of land. It's zoned L-O,
located at 3755 West Perugia Street. Adjacent land use and zoning. To the east is a
church zoned C-N. To the south is residential uses across Franklin Road, zoned R-15.
To the west is agricultural property zoned RUT in Ada county and to the north is multi-
family residential, zoned R-15. This property was annexed back in 2005 with the Silver
Oaks development and platted as Umbria Subdivision. There was a development
agreement that was required with that, which has since been amended. The
Comprehensive Plan future land use map designation for this property is medium high
density residential and it is within our Ten Mile interchange specific area plan. The
applicant is requesting a modification to the existing development agreement to remove
the subject property from the agreement and a rezone of 3.53 acres of land from the L-
O to the R-15 zoning district for the development of an accessory self-service storage
facility for the existing multi-family development to the north. The storage facility is
subject to the specific use standards listed in the Unified Development Code. I would
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like to note that this -- I -- I mentioned that this is an accessory self-service storage
facility. It is not for the general public. It is only for an accessory use for the multi-family
development Silver Oaks that currently exists to the north. So, they are prohibited from
renting to the public. That is a provision of the recommended development agreement.
A conceptual development plan was submitted as shown that depicts an indoor storage
facility with several different sizes of storage units. Access is provided via West Perugia
Street. A secondary access is proposed via North Umbria Hills Avenue as required for
self-service storage facilities. A ten foot wide landscape street buffer is required along
Umbria Hills Avenue and West Perugia street and a 25 foot wide buffer is required
along Franklin Road in accord with UDC standards. The Kennedy Lateral runs along
the west boundary of the site. Council previously approved a waiver to allow the lateral
to remain open and not be piped. Staff is recommending a six foot tall wrought iron
fence is provided matching that to the north in the multi-family development to preserve
public safety. Conceptual building elevations were submitted as shown for the
proposed storage structures. Building materials consist of metal paneling, hardy
paneling and stone veneer. The architectural standards manual prohibits metal
paneling as a finish material, however, it can be used as an accent or secondary fill
material. So, the elevation submitted with the certificate of zoning compliance should
be in compliance with the design standards in the architectural standards manual.
There has been no written testimony submitted on this application and staff is
recommending approval of the proposed rezone. However, there is an outstanding
issue that kind of came out kind of at the last minute on this project. When this property
was annexed and subdivided there was a road trust that was required to be submitted
to ACHD for half the cost of construction of the bridge and extension of Perugia Street
over the Kennedy Lateral. When this property was annexed it was part of the overall
Silver Oaks development. So, all of the R-15 area that you see there. The trust was
held for ten years by ACHD and, then, released, because the property to the west had
not yet developed and they were supposed to be the partner in the other half of the cost
of that bridge and the street extension. Because a crossing over the lateral and
extension of Perugia is still needed, staff recommended a provision of the development
agreement in the staff report requiring the applicant to submit a new road trust to ACHD
for those improvements. ACHD was in agreement with that and, then, later retracted
that recommendation or requirement in their staff report. Because this application is not
for a subdivision, ACHD cannot require and will not hold a road trust for those
improvements and the city does not hold road trusts. Therefore, the Commission
should consider tonight and make a recommendation on whether or not the
improvements should be required in their entirety with this application or not require
them at all. Not requiring them at all would require the developer of the adjacent
property to the west to complete the improvements in their entirety, unless an alternate
agreement for the improvements is reached with the affected property owners. So, staff
did just want to call that out tonight and consider that. Staff will stand for any questions
you might have.
Fitzgerald: Any questions for staff?
Cassinelli: I have a question.
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Fitzgerald: Commissioner Cassinelli.
Cassinelli: Sonya, is there -- along that lateral is there a -- is any of that -- is there a -- a
city public pathway along that at all or is there a planned --
Allen: Commissioner Cassinelli, there is not.
Cassinelli: Is there one nearby?
Allen: I'm trying to remember where it runs here. Give me just a second here. I am not
sure, but I can pull up the pathways master plan if you would like to know.
Cassinelli: I'm just concerned, because that -- that is -- we did approve apartment
buildings to the -- to the west recently; right? I believe. And that's going to be --
Allen: The -- the Commission recommended approval, but the Council ended up
denying that --
Cassinelli: So, Council denied that?
Allen: -- application, yes.
Fitzgerald: There is a new application coming.
Cassinelli: Okay. And I mean everything is going to be developed -- it seems to me like
there should be some pathways in there. I don't know why -- in that area. So, I would
be curious about that. But, obviously, that -- that wasn't looked at and -- you didn't --
staff didn't look at that, did they?
Allen: We looked at it. It's not part of the master pathways plan, so there is no pathway
requirement on this property.
Cassinelli: Thank you.
Fitzgerald: Any additional questions for staff? And, Sonya, so we don't have any
mechanism, besides asking Becky really really nicely to work with the other owner of
the land to -- we don't have -- there is no bonding capabilities, there is no -- there is no
feasible capability we have or a tool we have to -- I guess we can hear from applicant
and see what their thoughts are.
Allen: Yeah. Their -- Chairman, there -- we cannot hold a surety, so the options are
require that this applicant, as a development agreement provision, to construct it in its
entirety.
Fitzgerald: Okay.
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Allen: Or not. Or possibly work with that property owner to the west, which I
understand -- they are actually -- they did submit an application, a new application for
that property. So, it is -- has been accepted by the city and it will be coming before you
soon.
Fitzgerald: Any additional questions? Becky, would you like to come forward, please,
ma'am.
McKay: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Members of the Commission. Becky McKay,
Engineering Solutions, 1029 North Rosario, Meridian, business address. The screen is
not working. And I'm here this evening representing Ten Mile Development, LLC. As
Sonya indicated, we are here this evening to ask for a rezone of 3.53 acres from L-O to
medium high density residential or R-15, along with the development agreement
modification to facilitate the construction of an accessory use self-storage facility for our
Franklin At Ten Mile Apartments. This particular lot was platted back in 2005 with the
original Umbria Subdivision. It was intended that it would either be office or possibly a
daycare and so all of the city utilities, public street improvements, pressure irrigation --
oh, killer. Thank you. Were installed to this lot 13 years ago and this lot has -- has
been vacant and, you know, they had -- they tried to market it on multiple occasions, but
really didn't get any interest in it for office or daycare use and so we kind of came
around to the fact that the apartment complex really has a need for storage. We have
30 percent of our 369 dwelling units in the apartment complex, which we have
constructed in three phases over the past few years, 30 percent of those are three
bedroom and we have 98 garages and they kind of took an assessment and of those 98
garages that we provided approximately 65 percent of those garages are used to store
not vehicles, but to store furniture, RVs, whatever accessories people have. They are
seeing that approximately 30 percent of their turnover is due to people moving into the
complex on a temporary basis for one year or less, who are in the process of building a
home, so they are storing a significant amount of their personal possessions and they
are renting one of the garages. So, we have had some significant parking issues, even
though we met and exceeded the parking requirements under the ordinance out here at
the facility. So, we kind of got kicking around the idea of, you know, maybe a mini
storage would be appropriate. So, we did meet with the staff. We talked to them about
what our options were. Obviously, this is located within the Ten Mile area specific plan
and the staff said well, you know, storage is allowed in an I-L zone, but based on the
medium to high density designation on the land use map, we really couldn't support an
I-L rezone, but since this would be accessory to your multi-family, if you rezone it from
L-O to R-15 then an accessory storage facility is allowable. So, we kind of, you know,
met, went back and the architects tried some different variations on that site plan and --
and what -- what you see here is kind of an aerial map, shows you the Ten Mile
Christian Church is located to the east of the project and, then, you can see the
apartment complex. This aerial is kind of behind the times, because we have
constructed phase one, two and three. So, we have all 369 units online. The project
that was proposed to the west, as Sonya, indicated was denied by the Council. The
Council was concerned about bringing on another large multi-family project in this area,
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because it's kind of stretching emergency services when these fill up so quickly and
there are other multi-family projects that are being constructed south in Baraya on the
south side of Franklin and, then, obviously, within the Brighton facility just east of Ten
Mile Road. This kind of gives you an idea of the overall site plan. The Perugia Street
and both Umbria are local streets and the landscape requirements are ten feet.
However, we do have 20. We have 20 feet because initially due the fact that this was
an L-O zone, we were required to have a 20 foot perimeter buffer, so transition from the
R-15 to the L-O. The landscaping along Franklin Road is 25 feet and we have the
Kennedy Lateral that is open and traverses -- or is adjoining the property on the western
boundary. As Sonya stated in her report, the City Council granted a waiver of the piping
of that Kennedy Lateral, so it is an open facility. One of the things that the staff
obviously stressed was the aesthetics, because the Ten Mile area specific plan talks
about along the arterials that you have significant amount of landscaping, that you have
modulation articulation in your -- in your design and they said, you know, we really want
you to kind of dress that up along that corridor and so we -- we basically, you know,
took all of staff's recommendations. This is just kind of a picture shows you of the
vacant parcel that's been there for 13 years and, then, the multi-family dwellings that
you see in the foreground. There is the vacant parcel. That's the site plan. This kind of
gives you an elevation. So, we kind of had an architectural feature right there at that
intersection. We will have signage for the apartments that we plan on applying for along
with the design review, but we wanted to, you know, make this look consistent,
compatible with what we have there in our apartment complex. One of the other things
was staff said, you know, go through that Ten Mile interchange specific area plan and --
and we would like you, obviously, to justify how this fits into that plan and so I did review
the plan and the plan basically talks about encouraging a broad range of uses in close
proximity to one another, including uses beyond those specifically defined within the
ordinance and this storage facility being adjacent and accessory to our apartment
complex falls within what I consider, you know, mixed or complimentary uses that are
described in the Ten Mile specific plan. The Ten Mile specific plan also highlights a
diversity in building forms and encourages neighborhood serving services and retail
uses, so that we reduce the number of trips on the arterials. We believe that as far as
this as an accessory use to our multi-family development, that meets that test of
integration of uses and all the -- obviously, the principle that's also included in the plan
where it encourages multiple income producing uses within a particular project and
that's what we have before you. So, the -- we have to have that rezoned from the L-O
to the R-15 for this. It's all enclosed self storage and the existing development
agreement we have asked staff that -- to remove this parcel from the old development
agreement and, then, we will enter into a new development agreement that addresses
the conditions of approval. We will have a solid masonry wall along that exterior. Like I
said, we have articulation. We have broken up the expanse of the wall. We have the
focal point at the Franklin and Umbria Hills intersection, which the staff asked us. They
asked us to dress up and -- and provide extensive landscaping, so that we -- we
continue that -- that corridor look, because Franklin Road is an entryway into the city
and, then, our hours of operation will be in compliance with the code, which will be 6:00
a.m. to 11:00 p.m. I reviewed the staff report and one of the things that Sonya brought
up was Ada County Highway District, they did -- they did finally get a report over to
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Sonya. It was dated October 30th. Initially there was a trust fund for what they
considered a bridge across the Kennedy Lateral. The Kennedy Lateral is not a large
lateral, it's not like Settlers or the Ridenbaugh, it's a small -- smaller lateral, it's like 36 to
48 inch, depending on where you're located in the cfs that's running through it. So, a
bridge is not required. It would just take a pipe in order to cross it. We did do a trust
fund -- or the previous developer did a trust fund ten years -- over ten years ago and,
then, ACHD since it was never utilized, released those funds. We have built the Umbria
stub street to the -- to our boundary, so I don't really feel that it's necessary for us to
trust fund just for a pipe or portion of that pipe. When the property to the west develops
they put the pipe in. I have many projects where that's the case, that the responsibility
falls on one particular development, especially when it's a pipe. Where we need to be
concerned about sharing the cost is when we do have a large waterway that takes a
bridge structure, like a big box culvert, because those can cost, you know, anywhere
from 140 to 220 thousand dollars, depending on the span and the size of the waterway.
This is not the case for the Kennedy Lateral. Stacey Yerington with Ada County
Highway District did send an e-mail out to the architects, myself , and Sonya stating that
the district has discussed it internally and they are no longer requesting that we do a
trust fund. So, I ask the Commission to, obviously, modify condition -- believe it is
Condition 2-E where it says submit a road trust to Ada County Highway District for half
the cost of construction of a bridge over the Kennedy Lateral. Like I said, it's just going
to take a pipe. So, the highway district is -- is waving that requirement. We can't trust
with the city. The highway district is the governing body on that facility. Secondly,
concerning the conditions of approval, I believe it is under Public Works B-2, it talks
about providing easements for the project for sewer or water prior to noting it on the plat
and providing that prior to development plans. Well, obviously, if we have any
easements we are going to have to create those easements after we do the
development plans. So, that condition kind of needs to be a little bit reworded where we
are not platting this, it's already a platted lot. I think if you just say all easements must
be submitted and reviewed along with the development plan approval, then, that would
be appropriate, not -- the word prior needs to be removed and any reference to a note
on a plat needs to be removed. The other item is item three where it talks about piping
of all adjoining irrigation ditches, canals, or laterals. It needs to be noted that we have a
waiver for the Kennedy Lateral, so that's not applicable. And, lastly, we kind of -- we
have -- I met with the applicants, the architects, and we were just a little bit concerned
about 2-B. 2-B reads: The storage facility is allowed to operate in conjunction with and
as an accessory use to the multi-family development to the north, i.e., Silver Oaks and
shall provide only storage service for the residents of the multi-family development. We
are absolutely fine with that sentence. That's -- we -- we are in total agreement. What -
- what we have a little bit of heartburn over is the last sentence within that saying
providing storage service for nonresidents, i.e., the general public is prohibited and we
started talking about kind of some scenarios -- and I will -- this is my last comment, sir.
Say we have someone who rents a unit and they, obviously, are an -- one of our
residents at the apartment complex, they rent a storage unit, they put their stuff in it,
they are building a house and, then, they move out of the apartment complex, but they
still have the unit possibly beyond their residence at the apartment complex, then, what
do we do? You know, they are obvious -- you know, we may have a situation like that
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and so, like I said, we are in agreement with the condition, we just aren't comfortable
with that last sentence and I don't think that last sentence is -- is necessary, because I
think it -- it makes it very clear with the first sentence that the -- what the use of this is
and this is a small complex. We are talking 3.53 acres and the -- and the storage units
that I have done, which are open to the public, are typically between seven and ten
acres and so this is small on the scale of -- of storage. So -- and that -- and so it fits
within that accessory I think definition. But I -- I would ask the Commission if they would
remove that last sentence because we are just really concerned -- we don't want to get
cross ways with the staff, we don't want to get -- have problems with our residents and -
- but we -- we just feel a little bit uncomfortable with the wording on that. Thank you.
Do you have any questions?
Fitzgerald: Any questions for the applicant? Commissioner Holland, go right ahead.
Holland: Sorry. Becky, one question. You -- you kind of already mentioned this, but
just making sure, all of these are enclosed units, there is not going to be --
McKay: No.
Holland: -- RV storage or anything like that on it?
McKay: No.
Holland: Okay.
McKay: All enclosed.
Fitzgerald: Becky, are you good with the additional parking space that's being required?
McKay: Yes.
Fitzgerald: Okay. Commissioner Yearsley.
Yearsley: So, you said that it's -- all that's required is a pipe. Do you know what size of
pipe?
McKay: I piped the Kenny Lateral at -- at a couple of different locations. It's a 40 -- I
think it's a 48 inch if we go south, but as it's delivering water, then, obviously, the pipe
size becomes reduced. You know, it may end up being a 42 or a 36 and they would just
basically pipe where that road crossing is.
Fitzgerald: Right. So, we are not talking about a box culvert a part of --
McKay: No.
Yearsley: You know, the pipe --
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McKay: No.
Yearsley: -- you can go with different type -- size of pipe, that's why I just wanted to
clarify --
McKay: Yeah. Typically, like Settlers Canal, for example, I have had to go box -- with a
box culvert --
Yearsley: Right.
McKay: -- and it's a 70 -- takes a 72 inch.
Yearsley: Right.
McKay: And those facilities -- those bridges, like I said -- I think the last one I did was
about 150,000 dollars. But when we are talking just a pipe, you know, that's a different
animal.
Yearsley: Okay. Any additional questions for the applicant? Thank you, ma'am. We
appreciate it.
McKay: Thank you. Oh, I just wanted to mention -- someone asked about the pathway.
I believe there is a multi-use pathway, but it is south of Franklin along that drain and we
typically are not allowed to put multi-use pathways along a live ditch based on Nampa-
Meridian's requirements. Thank you.
Fitzgerald: Thank you, ma'am. Chris, do we have anybody signed up to testify?
Johnson: Mr. Chair, there were no sign-ins.
Fitzgerald: Is there anyone in the audience that would like to testify? We will start with
the gentleman over here. Please state your name and address for the record.
Quist: Heath Quist. 4192 West Newland Street. I live in the area and I have helped a
lot of people do move-ins here at the apartments that we are talking about and the need
is definitely there. A lot of going back and forth to different storage units and I think it's a
great idea. So, yeah.
Fitzgerald: Okay. Sir.
Green: Mike Green. 4168 South River Basin in Boise. I'm actually an investor partner
in both the apartments and the storage facility. So, I just want to share with the
Commission some interesting facts that you might find on how we sort of arrived at this
decision to move forward with a self-storage facility on the site. So, as you can see that
site is irregular shaped and we went through a multitude of different options on limited
office, light office, light retail and never really got anywhere with the market in our
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marketing and moving forward with that design and we started to look at what we see in
our apartment community there. As Becky mentioned, it's 368 units. Annualized we
turn over about 80 percent of those units. So, that's nearly 275 to 300 units per year
that we are turning over. A lot of these residents coming into our community are from
out of the state. We track our traffic and 65 percent of our traffic coming in to visit our
community are from out of state. We see a lot of folks coming from California,
Washington, Nevada and Oregon. We see residents that have rented a unit in our
apartment complex that rented four garage units, because they have got nowhere to
store their storage. So, we are really offering a temporary housing solution. All these
folks are coming in six months, a year, they will break through these, because they are
building a house elsewhere in the community. So, we found that we really have a
demand for this. We spent about 46 million on the apartment complex and so we really
care deeply on how that front corner comes out and that's why you see that the
architectural investment that we are making in that site. That's it.
Fitzgerald: Thank you. And we appreciate it. Any questions? Thank you, sir. Any
additional -- yes, sir.
Bennett: Jesse Bennett. 3848 West Newland. I live right behind the apartments. A lot
of the people who live in and out are members of our congregation. I have a
responsibility for helping them also move in and out and we love the idea of the extra
storage. It makes our lives easier by not having to go in a lot of different places and
helping these people find different areas. So, all for the idea.
Fitzgerald: Thank you. Any additional comments for -- anybody else? Okay. Becky,
would you like -- do you have any additional thoughts? Okay. With that I will entertain a
motion to close the public hearing on H-2013-0109.
Holland: Mr. Chair, I move we close a public hearing on Franklin Storage, H-2018-
0109.
Cassinelli: Second.
Fitzgerald: I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing on H-2018-0109.
All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Okay. Motion passes.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. THREE ABSENT.
Fitzgerald: Commissioners, thoughts?
Yearsley: I actually kind of think it's a unique idea, you know, to provide a storage unit
for your apartment complex, you know. You know, it makes a lot of sense for --
Fitzgerald: It sounds like they definitely have the need or the issue.
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Yearsley: Yeah. Yeah. And may free up some parking as well. So, I think it works out
well.
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Holland, Commissioner Cassinelli, thoughts?
Holland: You know, my -- my first thought when I saw this application was -- it seems
like we have seen a lot of storage unit projects lately, especially when there is a storage
unit that's even on the screenshot here that's just northeast of the property. So, it
makes me scratch my head a little bit about having another storage facility there. The
only other concern I have is that it's -- it's on Franklin, which is a major -- major corridor
right off the freeway. It's one of the first things you see when you come into -- into
Meridian from that Ten Mile, depending on which way you're going. So, I guess there is
-- there is a little bit of concern there that the only thing I think that helps it is that it's kind
of a triangular in shape and so you're not using a ton of the frontage on Franklin --
Fitzgerald: Yeah.
Holland: -- and I think they have -- they have done a nice job of trying to have some
modulation, have some visual interest in the front part of it. So, I appreciate that. I don't
really have too many concerns on some of the conditions that she had gone through, if
we want to go through those. I don't have a concern with changing the last sentence of
to be -- to remove the general public prohibited for -- as long as it says that the primary
use is -- is for this apartment complex.
Fitzgerald: Yeah.
Holland: I think most people would know if they are moving out of that complex they
would eventually have to move their stuff and maybe we could make a condition that
tenants who were in that apartment complex would have to move their belongings within
a certain timeframe if that would help with it or -- I'm not sure what's -- how staff feels
about that, but --
Fitzgerald: Sonya, I -- my thought is there is no way -- I mean reasonably, unless it's
code enforcement, how do you track that anyway?
Allen: Mr. Chair, there is no way to track that.
Fitzgerald: Yeah.
Allen: I just foresee there being an issue if we -- if we don't restrict it, let people move
out, they are no longer residents. That first sentence doesn't even apply. I mean it's
not correct, if -- if we even leave the first sentence, because they are no longer
residents if they move out.
Fitzgerald: And the challenge I think becomes -- is you have to be -- it's got to be
reasonable. So, it's -- they move out there, they are building a house, they built the
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house, is it six months? Is it a year? I mean -- but the real practical thing for me is how
do you guys track this? I mean there -- unless it's code enforcement.
Allen: We don't.
Fitzgerald: That's the challenge.
Allen: I would suggest that if you --
Fitzgerald: I don't have a problem with the time frame.
Allen: Leave an open to that, so that you require that they put it in their CC&Rs or, you
know, some kind of agreement and that we get a copy of that.
Fitzgerald: And that -- I think I would be okay with that, because I -- I think it's almost
impossible to reasonably track it on the city's side, but it's -- I think it's unreasonable to
say like at the day that you move out you must move all of your stuff that day. I think
that's just -- that's a challenge and so I get both sides of the -- the issue.
Holland: Well, I think -- just to add to that, I think it would be easier for the property
management company that's renting out the -- the units as somebody moves out, they
are going to know that that person is not living there anymore, so they could say, you
know, as you're moving out and turning in your keys, you have got within six months, we
would like you to have your storage --
Fitzgerald: Sixty days or --
Holland: Yeah. Whatever it is.
Fitzgerald: Yeah.
Holland: Whatever time frame if we want to put a time frame on it, but I don't have a
problem with removing the word prohibited. I think -- or the general public piece. I think
having the first sentence that says it's -- it's for residents --
Fitzgerald: Yeah.
Holland: -- and that they would have to work with only residents and who they lease to.
I think that would be reasonable. I don't have another concern. She had made a
comment about all easements must be submitted and approved, rather than --
Fitzgerald: Along with development.
Holland: -- along with development. Yeah. I don't have a concern with that either.
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Cassinelli.
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Cassinelli: I will say storage units are one of my least favorite. They are -- they are
necessary as all get out. I get it. I just think they are -- they are not the most attractive
things to look at. They are typically a big blank wall. These are about as -- the
architectural renderings seem to be about as -- as nice as -- as they can -- as they can
be. I agree with -- you know, with Commissioner Yearsley, it will probably help the --
the parking situation over there. So, I think it's a good solution. They have tried
everything else. So, from that standpoint I'm in favor of it. I would like to see the
condition -- I'm okay with the -- removing the -- changing the easement condition if staff
is okay with that -- with regards to the -- that to be -- I would say leave it there. There is
-- you know, there is not a whole lot of teeth. It's -- if somebody moves in there and they
are a tenant when they rent it, they are following the -- they are following the guidelines,
it's going to be up to them to -- I mean that the whole idea of this is to provide storage
for the -- for the tenants. So, they are going -- they are going to want to get people out
of there. Code -- I mean it's going to be pretty difficult for code enforcement to go out
there and try and do it. I would just like to leave it as is. It tries to put a little teeth into it
and I don't think removing that last sentence is going to change it much. The intent is if
you live there, you're the only ones that get access to it initially. After that there is not
much the city can do anyway. So, I would just as soon leave it. I like it left in there that
way. And, then, we have got to come up with a resolution for -- for a pipe. I don't think
it's -- and I don't know what that's going to look like. I don't think it's fair to stick the
owners of the adjacent property with the -- with the full tab on that. I don't know how we
do that.
Fitzgerald: The challenge I think is that there is no teeth available to us. We either give
them the whole boat right now or we don't. So, it's either -- I mean, that's the challenge.
It's -- it almost becomes the cost of development of the next project and I mean you deal
with this a lot more on -- on your engineering side. What -- do you have any
suggestions? Because I -- I mean offsite work is never fun and it happens all the time in
this situation. They bonded for it. ACHD doesn't want to do it right now and so I'm not
sure what teeth we have.
Yearsley: Well -- and I -- you know, I looked at that. If it's only a 48 inch pipe with head
walls, you're not talking a significant dollar amount and not knowing what that future use
is over there, does it make sense to connect. Until we know what that future use is it's
hard for me to say build a -- build a pipe, you know what I mean?
Fitzgerald: Yeah.
Yearsley: And so I -- I am not sure if I like it as well as I do, but putting that onus onto
the second owner is probably a better -- we can make a more informed decision based
on that after we see what they are proposing. Does that makes sense?
Fitzgerald: Yeah. Sonya, is there a cross-access easement there or what -- what is
driving it besides this interconnection -- besides the -- currently. I mean for that
condition of approval?
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Allen: Chairman, I'm not sure I'm understanding, but there is no need for a cross-
access easement when the -- the street's dedicated. It's --
Fitzgerald: So, it is dedicated. That was -- that was my -- I'm sorry, because it just
looked like a cul-de-sac with nothing really --
Allen: It is a cul-de-sac. However, there is right of way to that west property boundary,
it just isn't paved to the west property boundary. So, there will be a gap in between
there until the culvert bridge -- a bridge culvert is what ACHD calls it -- is constructed.
And just a side note that the ACHD report said that they -- the current cost estimate for
this project is 52,000.
Fitzgerald: For the bridge culvert is 52,000?
Allen: Yes.
Cassinelli: A chunk of cash.
Yearsley: It's expensive for a 48 inch culvert.
Allen: Yeah. And, honestly, I will read you the -- I will read you what it says in ACHD
report. It doesn't entirely make sense to me. It says the current cost for this project --
well, let me back up. The current cost for this project is estimated at 52,000 dollars.
Therefore, consistent with ACHD's prior action, the applicant should be required to pay
for the developer's proportionate share of the cost and provide a public rights of way
trust fund -- road trust in the amount of 14,300 dollars. I'm not -- I'm not quite
understanding the difference there, which is -- they say is 13,000, plus ten percent
contingency.
Fitzgerald: So, it's -- their portion of it would be 14,000 out of the 58? That's -- that's
asphalt, the culvert, that's everything. The full cost of developing that portion of it. That
doesn't seem -- it seems odd.
Allen: So, there is a condition in the staff report currently that they provide a road
trustee to ACHD. So, regardless, that condition needs to be modified or stricken.
Fitzgerald: Or removed. Yeah.
Allen: And, then, just a side note, back to Commissioner Cassinelli's question earlier
about the multi-use pathway, there is one currently that runs -- if you can see my pointer
here, it runs through the church site to the east and it goes kind of right up this line here.
It goes through the storage facility and up to the north and, then, it also comes down --
it's eventually going to come through the TM Creek site to the south of Frank -- Franklin
Road here. So, it is -- it is pretty close to this property, but it doesn't run through that.
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Fitzgerald: Additional thoughts? I mean for the comment on the storage unit -- and I
have seen it in the same picture, I agree, I do think it is a very small footprint and it's -- I
think for what it's being used for I think they have taken a really difficult piece of property
that wasn't very marketed -- wasn't easy to market and turned it into a use that will
probably make their residents lives a lot happier and deal with parking and it's probably
going into the church or other areas. So, that, as an accessory use, makes total sense
to me. How we deal with the road trust thing is a conundrum. I'm not sure I can answer
it in ten seconds, but --
Yearsley: I don't either.
Fitzgerald: It's a -- I don't have a problem with the project itself. I think that -- that's the
question mark is does the person that comes late have to deal with the off site.
Yearsley: I don't know.
Fitzgerald: With ACHD saying they are no longer willing to do it, I don't know where that
-- where the teeth come, because we can't do -- we can't bond for it; correct? There is
no surety that we could put in place.
Allen: Mr. Chair, no, we cannot accept a surety for that, but we can, as a DA
permission, require them to construct it.
Fitzgerald: The whole thing.
Allen: Yes.
Fitzgerald: Yeah. That's --
Cassinelli: Then we are telling them to -- to pay the whole bill.
Fitzgerald: Yeah. And I don't think that's right either.
Allen: The other alternative is to have them work with the neighbor to come up with an
agreement, but I -- you know, it's -- it's not likely that neighbor would be real excited to
do that if their project doesn't go forward. So, we don't want to tie their hands with their
development and hold them up if that doesn't happen. So, that's the -- that's the issue
with that requirement.
Fitzgerald: So, thinking outside of the culvert box, can we get a piece of this in the -- in
the DA requesting that the applicant work with the adjoining neighbor to find a cost
share agreement that would work for both parties as part of it, but not -- I mean it's not
contingent and it -- it's in there, but it's not -- I mean as much teeth as we can give it or
is that an option?
Allen: It's always an option.
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Fitzgerald: Because I mean I would like them to have a share of the deal, but I think
that's the only thing that has got some kind of a direction we can go is put it in the DA,
request that they work with the adjoining party and try to find a cost agreement that
works for both parties.
Yearsley: I think that's --
Allen: Then probably there should be a what if if they can't.
Fitzgerald: Run for ACHD. No. Sorry. That's --
Allen: We will know here shortly if that project, you know, gets -- gets moved forward or
not and gets approved.
Fitzgerald: But I don't want to hold these guys up for --
Allen: Like three months or so. But this project is before you now.
Fitzgerald: Yeah.
Holland: Well, Mr. Chair, the one thing we could do -- and I don't know that this is fair to
the -- the other user either, but you could say we would request a DA to have them work
together and in the what if situation, if they don't come to an agreement, then, the
latecomer would end up --
Fitzgerald: To pay it. They have every reason to -- to work with them.
Holland: The only other thought I have, back to Commissioner Cassinelli's comment
earlier about the -- 2-B, with the last sentence about the general public prohibited, I
think rather than -- than striking that last sentence I think maybe it would still be good to
put that tenants could move out within a reasonable time frame, whether we define it or
they define it.
Fitzgerald: Thoughts?
Yearsley: I'm good.
Fitzgerald: Next steps, folks. Well, let me ask this question first. Do we want any
feedback from Becky on any of these things we were asking or are we -- do you have
enough information to make a decision?
Holland: I think we are pretty close, but we might have to go through all the
modifications again one more time to make sure we have them all straight.
Fitzgerald: Okay. Commissioner Yearsley, do you have any additional thoughts?
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Yearsley: You know, I think actually adding that to the DA just -- you know, request that
the applicant try to work with the adjacent property owner to -- a good faith effort to
construct a -- a cost share agreement, you know, kind of leave enough weasel words
that they can back out of it if something can't be agreed upon and if they can't come up
with an agreement, then, they can -- the latecomer can build it themselves, you know.
So, I think it -- you know, it gives them a way out to not build it if the other property
doesn't come through, but yet -- and it gives a little bit of teeth to try to come up with a
solution, so -- so, I think that works out well.
Allen: Mr. Chair, if I may, Mr. Parsons just suggested another alternative. We have
roughly a month before this goes to the City Council. You might recommend that the
applicant work with adjacent property owner to see if they could come up with an
agreement between that time period.
Fitzgerald: And the next application there the adjoining property is coming before us in
the next two to three months is what we are thinking?
Allen: No. Within the next month or so.
Fitzgerald: Oh. Okay. So, it's soon.
Allen: We have the application.
Yearsley: I like that idea, because it gives, you know, that adjacent property owner to
have some onus to come to -- come to the table with a deal.
Cassinelli: Or that we stick them with the bill at the end.
Yearsley: Absolutely. I think that's -- I think it's very appropriate and it makes it a lot
cleaner to be provided in that way.
Fitzgerald: Thank you, Bill. Thank you very much for the information. Do we want a
time frame on move out of -- what's reasonable? I think Becky is looking for guidelines
on not getting cross ways with the city. So, let's give her some thoughts if we have -- if
you like the language, leaving it in there, let's -- I would suggest we put a time frame on
it, but that's my thought. You guys can go in -- any additional -- or any thoughts. I
mean -- or are you good with the language as it is?
Yearsley: You know, I think, again, this is -- all comes down to enforcement. We could
leave that provision in there and, you know, who is going to enforce it. So, adding that -
- that provision in there for up to a year -- I don't know if I have an issue with that, just
adding -- it was pretty -- you know -- you know, adding that additional sentence or
something to that effect.
Holland: I'm fine with adding up to a year as well. I don't have a concern with it, except
-- as long as the -- the point is that they are not setting up lease agreements for storage
space to the general public, they are working with the -- the tenants or people who are
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moving out. They just don't want to get in trouble if somebody ever does code
enforcement on them, because they are not following that prohibited rule.
Fitzgerald: Anyone want to take a stab? Commissioner Yearsley.
Yearsley: After considering all staff, applicant, and public testimony, I move to
recommend approval to City Council of file number H-2018-0109 as presented in a staff
report for the hearing date of November 1st, 2018, with the following modifications:
That Item No. 2.E be stricken from the -- the conditions. That Condition 3 be noted that
the -- there is a waiver for the -- not having to pipe the lateral. To add a -- to add to 2.B
that existing renters can -- can lease the space up to a year after they move out. And I
wasn't sure about the easement.
Fitzgerald: That all easements can go along with the development and not prior to?
Yearsley: That one. So --
Holland: The language she had put in there was all easements must be submitted and
approved --
Yearsley: Okay.
Fitzgerald: Along with the development.
Holland: Along with the development.
Allen: Mr. Chairman, may I clarify the motion, please?
Fitzgerald: Yes.
Allen: The first item you mentioned -- I believe you said Item 2-B be is stricken?
Yearsley: 2.E.
Fitzgerald: 2.E.
Allen: Thank you.
Cassinelli: Have we covered it all then?
Fitzgerald: Do we have it? Do you want to -- do you feel comfortable that you have
everything?
Allen: I do. Thank you.
Fitzgerald: Okay.
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Cassinelli: I will second it then.
Fitzgerald; Oh. Oh.
Yearsley: And also to add a request that the DA be modified that the applicant work
with the adjacent property owner to come up with a cost share agreement for the piping
across -- the pipe culvert across the Kennedy Lateral prior to City Council.
Cassinelli: I will revise my second and second that one.
Fitzgerald: I have a motion and a second. All those in favor say aye. Oppose same.
Motion passes and thank you very much.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. THREE ABSENT.
Fitzgerald: I think we have una mas motion.
Holland: Mr. Chair?
Fitzgerald: Commissioner Holland.
Holland: I move we close to the public hearing for the Planning and Zoning
Commission for the date of November 1 st, 2018.
Cassinelli: Second.
Fitzgerald: All those in favor say aye. Motion passes.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. THREE ABSENT.
Fitzgerald: Good night. Thank you all for being here. We appreciate it.
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