2018-04-17Meridian City Council April 17,
2018.
A meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order at 6:01 p.m., Tuesday, April
17, 2018, by President Joe Borton.
Members Present: Joe Borton, Genesis Milam, Luke Cavener, Anne Little Roberts and
Treg Bernt.
Members Absent: Mayor Tammy de Weerd and Ty Palmer.
Others Present: Bill Nary, C.Jay Coles, Kyle Radek, Caleb Hood, Sonya Waters, Josh
Beach, Jeff Brown, Kevin Fedrizzi, and Dean Willis.
Item 1: Roll -call Attendance:
Roll call.
X Anne Little Roberts X Joe Borton
Ty Palmer X Keith Bird
_X Genesis Milam _X_ Lucas Cavener
Mayor Tammy de Weerd
Borton: Good evening, everybody. We are going to begin tonight's City Council
meeting. It's Tuesday, April 17th, at 6:01 p.m. We will begin tonight's Council meeting
with roll call attendance, Mr. Clerk.
Item 2: Pledge of Allegiance
Borton: Thank you. Item No. 2 is the Pledge of Allegiance.
(Pledge of Allegiance recited.)
Item 3: Community Invocation by Larry Woodard with Ten Mile Christian
Church
Borton: Next item on the agenda is the community invocation. We will be led this
evening by Larry Woodard with the Ten Mile Christian Church. Thank you, Larry, for
joining us today.
Woodard: Tonight, our Dear Heavenly Father, we pause to give you thanks for all the
blessings we enjoy in Meridian. I especially thank all of our city leaders who are
working diligently to manage the amazing growth of this city. I cannot imagine what our
city will be like in a few short years and now we are told today that we are standing at
106,000 people. It requires the best of our Mayor and this Council to control this
growth. Today they have done a good job and your blessings on their thinking and
health have been a key factor. Tonight we can tick off a whole series of decisions that
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this Council will face in the next few months. More subdivisions. Affordable homes for
young couples and the elderly. More commercial developments. New schools.
Expanded Faith facilities. Highway improvements. Controlling crime, especially the
opioid epidemic. And protecting our city from fire, starting with good building codes.
Tonight we also pray for our young men and women who are in harm's way around the
world. Protect them and bring them home safely to the families. I pray for our state as
we take the first step in electing new statewide leaders in mid May. May the best
candidates prevail. I will be honest that this election cycle has generated more negative
mail and advertisement than is normal in our state. Please forgive us. Lastly I -- I want
to pray for our nation. With the killing of hundreds of civilians by gas in Syria and a
world that has been uprooted by war in the Middle East, give our leaders wisdom as
they try to protect our nation. May we always look to you as our ultimate guide in all
that we do. Again, I thank you for this Council and may their decisions tonight be sound
and productive, in Jesus' name, amen.
Item 4: Adoption of Agenda
Borton: Thank you for sharing that this evening
adoption of the agenda.
Cavener: Mr. President?
Borton: Mr. Cavener.
Item No. 4 on the agenda is the
Cavener: I move we approve the agenda as published.
Little Roberts: Second.
Borton: It's been moved and seconded to adopt the agenda as published. All those in
favor say aye.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Item 5: Future Meeting Topics - Public Forum (Up to 30 Minutes Maximum)
Borton: Thank you. Item No. 5. Mr. Clerk, any sign-ups?
Coles: There were no sign-ups, Mr. President.
Item 6: Consent Agenda
A. Approve Minutes of April 3, 2018 City Council Regular Meeting
B. Rockbury Sub Pedestrian Pathway Easement/Spurwing
Greens
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Estates
C. Rockbury Sub Pedestrian Pathway Easement/Rock Harbor
Church
D. Oxygen Subdivision Sanitary Sewer Easement
E. Oxygen Subdivision Water Main Easement
F. Final Plat for Bainbridge Subdivision No. 7 (H-2018-0022) by
Brighton Corporation, Located at the SW corner of W. Chinden
Blvd. and W. Lost Rapids Dr.
G. Final Plat for Bicentennial Farm Subdivision No. 1 (H -2018 -
by Toll ID I, LLC, Located at 3880 E. Lake Hazel Rd.
H. Final Plat for Bicentennial Farm Subdivision No. 2 (H -2018 -
by Toll ID I, LLC, Located at 3880 E. Lake Hazel Rd.
I. Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law for Lasken Annexation
(H-2017-0154) by Thomas Lasken, Located at 721 E. Pine
J. Revised: Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law for Oaks West
Subdivision (H-2017-0170) by Hayden Homes, LLC, Located at
the SE corner of N. McDermott Rd. and W. McMillan Rd.
K. Revised: Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law for Turf Farm
Subdivision (H-2017-0149) by Brighton Investments, LLC
Located at the Northeast Corner of S. Eagle Road and E. Lake
Hazel Road
L. Development Agreement for Turf Farm Subdivision (H-2017-
0149) with Brighton Investments, LLC located off the northeast
corner of S. Eagle Road and E. Lake Hazel Road in the SW 1/4
of Section 33, Township 3N., Range 1E. (Parcel#S1133336210)
M. Addendum to Development Agreement for Caven Ridge
West MDA (H-2017-0156) with New Cavanaugh, LLC
N. Fire Hose Testing Agreement with Firemark Equipment Testing
Services
O. Award of Bid and Approval of Agreement to The Ewing
Company for the "WELL 32 PUMPING FACILITY" project for a
Not -To -Exceed amount of $805,823.00.
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P. AP Invoices for Payment 4/18/18 - $1,958,434.70
Borton: No sign-ups. Item No. 6, is our Consent Agenda.
Cavener: Mr. President?
Borton: Mr. Cavener.
Cavener: I move we approve the Consent Agenda with the -- Mr. President, I move we
approve the Consent Agenda.
Little Roberts: Second.
Borton: It's been moved and seconded to approve the Consent Agenda as published.
If there is no discussion, Mr. Clerk.
Roll call: Borton, yea; Milam, yea; Cavener, yea; Palmer, absent; Little Roberts, yea;
Bernt, yea.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Item 7: Items Moved From The Consent Agenda
Borton: There were no items moved from the Consent Agenda.
Item 8: Community Items/Presentations
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A. Community Sponsor Recognition and Special Events Update
the Parks and Recreation Department
Borton: That brings us to Item No. 8, Community Presentations. Our community
sponsor recognition. Renee White is going to come and share with us that and special
events update. Welcome, Renee.
White: Thank you. Thanks for the time.
Borton: You bet.
White: The way the sponsorship contracts have been in the past you guys have looked
at each and every one of them and with some changes in the processes you asked me
to come and give a report every -- couple times a year to talk about the sponsors and so
we have got some fun things coming up. So, you will have to forgive me if I take just a
-- just -- just a skosh of your time to talk about some of the things I'm most excited
about, but we will talk about all the sponsors, too. So, we are going to look back to
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Christmas. Unplug And Be Outside is the -- is coming up. It's our very first event of the
spring and, then, the CableOne Movie Night in Meridian. So, Christmas. I know it's
hard to look back to think about that, as we are ready for spring, but I do want to thank
our sponsor for the parade Borton Lakey Law 7 Policy. We had over 50 floats this year
and I think that one of the biggest turnouts that we have -- that we have ever had. Our
Grand Marshal was Dan Clark, who, of course, is from the Idaho Foodbank. His float, a
horse-drawn carriage, actually was sponsored by Les Schwab. Our stage was
sponsored by Idaho Independent Bank, so they have got both corners going on there.
We are very thankful for them and everything that they do. And, then, of course, on
94.9, The River, which is a Scripps station, all of their station sponsored the parade and
all of the Christmas activities that we had. Ken Bass and Deb Courson come and were
our parade MCs. So, that was -- that was a lot of fun and, of course, Santa. So, we
have a variety of different sponsors that sponsor Santa's float, which is the -- of course
the most popular float. So, thanks to Advanced Heating and Cooling, Meridian
Automotive, Signs Etc., RC Willey, and the electrical engineering company E -- E2CU.
So, the night culminates in fireworks and those are presented by Mountain America
Credit Union and, man, look at all those people. Isn't that great? This is just like a snip -
it of what was there. Okay. So, the last event that we had a sponsor for for Christmas
in Meridian was All-American Insurance and they are the sole sponsor for the Children's
Winterland Festival, which is held over at the Boys & Girls Club and has activities and
things for the kids. So, that's one of the events that we are hoping to continue to grow
next year. So, we, obviously, have a ton of other people that are involved, including
vendors who bring in hot chocolate stands and, then, of course, all of our volunteers
and so we would like to thank all of them as well. All right. So, spring. Yea. We are so
excited for it. So, this is one of my favorite events, Unplug And Be Outside Week,
because it is so interactive and it gets people to -- encourages them to put down their
telephones, get away from their electrical devices, their computers and get engaged. It
gives you the opportunity to do something new that is free, take down as many barriers
as you can and just -- and just go do it. So, we have moved it to May 5th through the
12th in hopes of capturing a little bit of sunshine. Last year it was a little windy, a little
cold, and so some of them had to -- had to unplug and move inside, which, you know,
that's okay, too, but -- so, that we have got a week's worth of activities and they are in
three different areas, sports, arts, and recreation. We have things for all ages and those
include -- let's see. So, if you want to try your hand at golf, if you want to go tour a --
found a couple gardens that are giving us free admission, including our very own
community garden is going to do a tour and talk about how to be a part of the co-op.
We have got sports for kids, Lacrosse, soccer, flag football. So, really things of all ages,
including if you wanted to learn some line dancing. Who knows how to line dance?
Good. I think you guys are all coming, right? Right? So, we are going to kick it off on
Saturday, May 5th. One of the things I'm super excited about is we are partnering with
Republic Services. They are going to bring a five gallon tank of tire slime and they will
be fixing flat tires for free and putting slime in it, so bring your kids bikes, bring your own
bikes, we will keep you rolling all summer long. St. Luke's is going to come and they
are going to do some helmet fitting and if you don't have a helmet that fits they are
giving it away. We don't like to call it a helmet giveaway, because it's really -- if you
don't have one that fits or if you don't have one, then, they -- then they offer one. The
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separate Summerwind Skippers are one of my very favorite if you have seen them.
They are amazing and so they will do a demonstration and, then, they are going to get
the kids in the audience, give them a quick lesson and we are going to send them home
with jump ropes, so that they can keep moving all summer long, so -- and, then, this is
another new one that I'm really excited about, the Boise State athletics is coming. So,
we will have members of the football team, volleyball team, and soccer team coming
and doing 45 minute clinics with kids, just, you know, kicking drills and football things.
So, those are all -- see, I love the head shakes. Thanks. It's going to be a great day.
So, there are over 40 different classes that are available. You can jump online and with
our new online system you can put them right to your calendar, you can put them on
your Facebook, they are super easy. There is different ways to look at it. There is
different ways to sort, too, so you can sort -- let's say you're an adult and you want
recreation, that's going to bring up anything that's suitable for you. If you're looking for
sports for your kids. So, that is online. And also new this year Mayor Tammy is working
with us to do a challenge. So, we will have a bingo card available and if you stay offline,
keep off your phone, your computers, your television, your computer for five days you
can get entered for a prize or if you attend different classes and you get a bingo you can
submit that and the -- the biggest prize that we have is season passes for Roaring
Springs. We have got a pair for those. We also have passes to Birds of Prey. The
Idaho River Sports is giving us SUP, stand-up paddling passes, so you can go rent
those for a couple hours. Idaho Botanical Gardens is giving us event passes, so if you
have ever gone to bump day, great garden escape, any of those, so -- and that -- that's
kind of fun and exciting and that's something that we are going to do just encourage
kids to take, you know, more and more classes. We are giving them a little bit of
incentive to -- to stay offline. All of this -- Unplug And Be Outside is sponsored by a
grant from Be Outside Idaho, which is an Idaho state parks program. So, we are really
happy to partner with them. All right. Moving on. Everyone's favorite. Okay. My
favorite is Unplug, but this is everyone else's favorite. No. I love Movie Night. It's such
a -- such a great night. So, we have our returning sponsor -- our title one sponsor -- or
our title sponsor for the 12th year in a row is CableOne and, then, our returning
sponsors are Saint Alphonsus and Mountain America Credit Union and BCI Audio
Entertainment. This year we have 14 different -- 14 nights. So, it runs June 1 st through
August 31st. You will see there is only 13 sponsors, logos, and that's because Idaho
Central Credit Union is doing two nights. So, I'm going to tease you just a little bit and
I'm not going to tell you what the movies are. I know everyone asks what's coming,
what's the movies, but I am going to tell how to find them. So, if you get online and I
have incentive for you to do this and that if you can get online to
facebook.com/movienightinmeridian, you can see this is a sample of what it looks like
and you can click on interested and what it does is it helps me promote. It helps you
promote. Helps the city promote, because it's going to show up on your Facebook and
it's going -- Facebook looks at it and says, oh, there are people interested. So, then, it
shows up in more feeds and it creates that energy. So, if you haven't seen the
facebook.com/movienightinmeridian Facebook page, that's where you can find that. If
you would like to look to the city page, it's meridiancity.org/movienight. They are all
there. We do kick off on June 1st with the library and I know I have all lost you through
your devices. I know. It's my fault. No. I totally appreciate it. I totally appreciate it.
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The Meridian Library District is kicking off their reading program, their summer reading
program. So, that's all I have got. I told you I would be quick. A few more dates just to
put on your calendar to be thinking about. The Hillsdale Park grand opening. If you like
The Beach Boys, we have a regional band called the Southwest Surfers that's coming,
so they are going to be a blast. I mean like seriously really a lot of fun. It's the Friday
night Memorial Day. Come on out. Gene Kleiner Day, of course, is Meridian Symphony
Orchestra with our Pops. Lovely, lovely night. Anyway, other things to put on your
calendar and that's all I have got. Questions?
Borton: Thank you, Renee.
White: My pleasure. Thanks for the time.
Borton: Council, any questions?
Cavener: Mr. President?
Borton: Mr. Cavener.
Cavener: Not a question, just two comments. One, love your enthusiasm for this. You
just -- you are such a great ambassador of our Parks Department and all of our great
events and thank you for bringing this to us. I know that we all hopped on our phones to
be interested in the events, but, if not, then, I probably would have forgot. So, my
apologies. Secondarily, I just wanted to commend you on the memo that you gave all of
Council before you came before us tonight. Really, really appreciative and very, very
helpful and I know that a lot of our directors watch the City Council meeting, either live
or on replay, so I would encourage all of them to connect with you to find out how to
best prepare before you get in front of City Council with a memo.
White: I cheated off of somebody else's, but --
Cavener: That's all right.
White: I just formatted from Colin, so -- happy to share it. I appreciate the kudos, but,
really, I want to just thank the sponsors who like -- these programs are supported by
them. They wouldn't happen without them, so --
Cavener: Couldn't agree with you more. Great partnership.
White: Yeah.
Item 9: Action Items
A. Public Hearing for Oberg Subdivision (H-2018-0012) by
DevCo, LLC located at 2855 N. Wingate Lane
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1. Request: Annexation and Zoning of 4.79 acres of land with
R- 15 zoning district; and
2. Request: Preliminary Plat consisting of 25 single-family
residential building lots, 3 common lots and 1 other lot on
acres of land in the proposed R-15 zoning district
Borton: No other community items or presentations on the agenda moves us to the
Action Items. No. 9-A, a public hearing for H-2018-0012, Oberg Subdivision by DevCo.
This one is going to get -- get continued, but we will open the public hearing and Sonya
can share an explanation of what's going on.
Allen: Yes. Council, the Oberg Subdivision applicant -- we originally scheduled them
for the next hearing and, then, we -- on the 24th and, then, we moved them up, but our
database system failed to automatically notify them of the change in the date and staff
failed to follow-up with them personally, so that is the reason. That they did not post the
site appropriately before the meeting, so we cannot hear them tonight. But they are
going to be -- they are ready and -- ready to be on the 24th, so --
Borton: The nonposting was our fault basically? More so?
Allen: More or less. Yes.
Borton: Okay. Council, any questions? If not, is there a motion to continue this public
hearing to April 24th, 2018?
Cavener: Mr. President?
Borton: Mr. Cavener.
Cavener: Mr. President, I move that we continue Item 9-A to April 24th, 2018.
Milam: Second.
Borton: It's been moved and seconded to continue Item 8-A to April 24th, 2018. If there
is no discussion, Mr. Clerk.
Roll call: Borton, yea; Milam, yea; Cavener, yea; Palmer, absent; Little Roberts, yea;
Bernt, yea.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
B. Public Hearing for Baraya Apartments (H-2018-0003) by
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Schultz Development, Located at the Southwest Corner of
South Ten Mile Road and West Franklin Road
1. Request: A Conditional Use Permit Consisting of 240
Multi -Family Dwelling Units on Approximately 12.59 Acres in
an Existing R-40 Zoning District; and
2. Request: A Preliminary Plat Consisting of 13 Multi -Family
Building Lots and 3 Common Lots on 12.59 Acres in an
Existing R-40 Zoning District
De Weerd: Item 8-B, a public hearing for Bayara Apartments, H-2018-0003, by Schultz
Development. I will begin this -- it's a conditional use permit and preliminary plat and
begin this public hearing with staff comments. Josh.
Beach: Very good. So, as you said, this is an application for what is called Baraya
Subdivision. If you look at the vicinity map here, obviously, the entire parcel -- the
apartments don't take up in the entire parcel, so I have kind of highlighted the area in
which the apartments are located just for admission sake. So, as I said, this is for a
conditional use permit and for a preliminary plat. The site consists of approximately
12.59 acres of land, which is -- excuse me -- currently zoned R-40, located near the
southwest corner of West Franklin Road and North Ten Mile Road. This property was
annexed and granted preliminary plat back in 2006 as Baraya Subdivision. The
Comprehensive Plan future land use map designation is high density residential. A
conditional use permit is requested for a multi -family development in the existing R-40
zoning district. The proposed multi -family development consists of 240 dwelling units in
13 structures on approximately 12.59 acres of land in the R-40 zoning district. These
units consist of one, two, and three bedroom units. Access. And, again, I do this every
time. North would be to the left to fit the plat on the page. So, the access is off of
Franklin Road. This is the one access to Franklin. The applicant is restricted to a 200
unit cap until there is an access point per fire code. So, that's the access point. North
Umbria Hills Avenue. Parking for the development consists of -- so, as I said, one, two
and three bedroom units, so -- with a requirement to be 456 parking spaces. The
applicant is exactly requiring -- exactly in conformance to the requirement, with
approximately 1.9 parking stalls per unit. This development is located adjacent to a
proposed collector and arterial roads, which does not allow for on -street parking. The
applicant has provided -- provided a few additional parking spaces to comply with the
standard. So, in 2011 construction of a collector roadway was approved on the south
side of the project. So, I will move back here. This is -- was an overall planned
development for this -- for this area and there is some existing approvals for a collector
street on the southside of the project, so the applicant is required to stub a driveway to
the south in order to take access from that future collector, which will then -- I believe
the applicant has indicated that they will have a secondary access prior to that
happening, so the 200 unit cap should not be an issue for the development, but in the
off chance that that does become an issue, they will be required to stub to a proposed
collector as soon as the property to the south is developed. So, moving back to the site.
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Parking lot landscaping is required to be provided in accord with the UDC. On the south
side of the project there is an existing commercial zoning that requires a 25 foot
landscape buffer to be installed. On the north side of the project along West Franklin
the applicant is required to install a 25 foot landscape buffer. Additionally, a 20 foot
landscape buffer is required along North Umbria Hills Avenue, which is the -- the road
that runs north and south on your page, left to right. Again, this is the -- this is the
overall subdivision plat showing the -- showing the existing or proposed buildings --
proposed building I should say. The clubhouse and the amenities. This is the plat
indicating that the applicant is proposing to subdivide this into 13 residential building lots
and three common lots and, as I said, about 12.59 acres of land. Access, again, is to
Franklin Road. It will be modified in the future as soon as adjacent properties are
developed. A minimum of ten percent or 1.25 acres of open space is required. The
applicant is providing 2.97 acres or approximately 24 percent open space that will
consist of -- the amenities consist of a clubhouse, a swimming pool, a tot lot, a
landscape buffer, half the arterial landscape buffer and miscellaneous open grassy
areas that are a minimum of 20 -by -20, which is required by the UDC for multi -family
developments. The Kennedy Lateral runs along a portion of the west boundary of the
property. Applicant shall coordinate with the appropriate irrigation district to ensure that
no structures encroach into their prescriptive easement. The Commission did
recommend approval. Summary of that is the applicant's representative Matt Schultz in
favor. There was none in opposition. Did not receive any comment at the public
hearing. Did not receive any written testimony. I was the staff presenting the
application. There were no other staff -- staff members commenting. There were
no issues key to the public testimony. Key issues of discussion by the Commission
were the number of parking spaces and the number and location of trash enclosures.
They did not make any changes to staff's recommendation, nor were there any
outstanding issues for Council. We have not received any written testimony since the
Commission hearing. Just by way of further explanation, this is the -- kind of a mock-up
of the development with the proposed landscaping and, then, these are the proposed
conceptual elevations for the project. With that there is a requirement that these meet
the design standards and they also have to come forward with the certificate of zoning
compliance and receive that approval prior to receiving any -- any building permits. So,
with that I will stand for any questions you have.
Borton: Thank you, Josh. Council, any questions of staff at this point? No?
Bernt: Mr. President?
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Bernt: So, just one question. Has the access issue been addressed in the DA, you
know, as far as, you know, having a 200 unit cap?
Beach: Yes.
Borton: Mr. Schultz.
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Schultz: Good evening, Council. Matt Shultz, 8421 South Ten Mile in Meridian. Here
on behalf of the Bayara Subdivision. I have been working on this a whole long time,
probably back before I was even turning gray, but it's been like 12 years since this -- we
originally put Baraya through the system. At the time, you know, the economy was
going in '05 and '6. We did kind of put a brake on it for several months to join with the
Ten Mile interchange specific area plan process where Southridge got designed, we got
designed, and some other areas around the interchange got designed and there is a
reason why we meet the comp plan, because we were part of that comp plan exercise
and everything that we are doing was decided upon back then. It's taken this long to go
through the downturn. We started some single family residential a couple years ago in
phase one. We are under construction on phase two and the single family that's west of
us. We are building half of that collector road width, the phase under construction right
now. These apartments will extend the other half. We are doing our part for the
regional infrastructure, if you will, for the collector system out there with this subdivision
that was designed back with everybody in mind. So, that collector road we are doing
not only benefits us, but benefits our landowner to the south who asked me when that
was going to be done, because I know he's interested in getting a secondary access
and it will all connect to Ten Mile and it will all connect over to Black Cat and it will
connect up to Franklin and we are the first ones in south of Franklin and provide an
annexation route for people and we are providing utilities for people -- other neighbors.
We are providing access for the neighbors, too. But it's all master planned. That's the
only way you want to do it. That's the way you want to do R-40, you know, you don't
want to have neighbor showing up -- 300 neighbors showing up because they are mad
because they didn't know about it or -- this is all well planned out. I don't have any
neighbors showing up. Nobody has shown up. I think the only people that signed up at
the last meeting -- they were confused, because they wanted to sign up for Costco and
was up first and so a bunch of people signed up and didn't want to testify, because they
weren't really meaning to, just haven't had anybody even really care about this, because
we are in that new area that's all been master planned for several years. So, what we
have done is -- is 12 years ago we kind of set aside an area, we didn't know exactly how
it was going to lay out. We thought it would be big enough and appropriately sized for
some apartments. We are coming back through with the preliminary plat, so we -- we
definitely have our CC&Rs reviewed by the city attorney like we talked about on another
multi -family one a while ago. We will do that. And, then, the parking on this -- there is
not a lot of extra parking, but we have a lot of open space. We are at 24 percent open
space and the geometrics on this kind of work out such that -- such that -- we have a lot
of open space, 24 percent and we have a lot of, you know, trash enclosures and all the
things we need. We have since -- since this was done -- this has been punched
through for an emergency access to a collector road that's going to be coming from Ten
Mile this way, if you can see that little mouse cursor on your screen. So, we -- we
moved that trash enclosure over to here that was a discussion that was had by the
Planning Commission that, hey, there is a trash enclosure missing. I'm like, no, I think
it's just covered up and I got back home that night and it was like he's right. We needed
a trash enclosure over there. So, those revisions have been made to the site plan,
punching up through and -- even though it wasn't showing the one that came up on your
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screen we have submitted that back to the city. So, I think we have got a good plan.
Franklin Road is even done if front of it. The side lanes -- beautiful. It's done before we
even -- and there is going to be a signal there, you know, that we are contributing to.
mean things don't usually happen like this, but if you wait long enough -- not that we
intentionally delayed it long enough, but as the market has matured enough to -- to be
there. So, I should probably just shut up, but testimony about apartments and cost in
Seattle. I have got a cousin who is a mechanical engineer and she just moved up there
with her husband -- for the downtown Seattle thing. So, they have a 660 square foot
apartment that they pay -- I think she said 2,700 a month and -- or 2,400 a month and
the parking stall is extra, 150 dollars a month if you want a parking stall and they have
one car. And the two bedroom is a 900 square foot -- and that's all they have. They
don't go above that. And they are like 3,400. And they have mass transit. They are ten
minutes from downtown. So, we are not even getting close to that, but I just -- you
know, that's just kind of -- that kind of what a comparison is and we are -- you know,
these will be in the low thousand -- you know -- you know, maybe 1,200 a month, 1,100
a month for the bigger ones. Still it's just -- it's crazy. When she told me that I was
shocked. I hadn't talked to her in a long time to know what she was up to, but we just
ran into each other and that's crazy what's going on, but -- but this would be a good spot
for mass transit if it ever comes. We are close to the Ten Mile interchange. Put density
where your services are and that's what we are doing. But even so we are at the low
end of multi -family density. Staff even said you need a minimum density -- I believe it
was 17 or something or 16 per acre minimum in this area and we are at -- what are we
at, 19? So, we are -- put your density where your services are and this is our attempt to
do that. This clubhouse is twice as big as the last one you saw on my other one, it's,
you know, 5,000 square feet bigger, because there is more units on this one and there
is twice as many parking stalls and all that. But it's got a beautiful landscaped
boulevard coming in and I think it's a good plan. So, with that I will just sit down and,
hopefully, you will vote for it. Thank you.
Borton: Council, any questions?
Schultz: Thanks.
Borton: Matt, one question. Is the structure on Franklin Road, is that -- are they all
three stories or is that two?
Schultz: Yeah. Good question, Councilman Borton. There is -- the site plan shows the
ones -- the two and three stories and that's two over there. I think it's two along our
collector boulevard and it's three kind of in the middle and so -- you know, you would do
more, but we are -- we are parking constrained. I mean you would go taller more places
if we could, but we are parking constrained and so you just kind of get them in there and
that's what you get, so --
Borton: So, on Umbria Hills, those are two?
Schultz: I believe those are two, yes.
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Borton: Okay. Thank you.
Schultz: Thanks.
Bernt: Mr. President?
Borton: Mr. Bernt.
Bernt: Talk to me about visitor parking. You're -- you're right at like the minimum.
Schultz: We are five over. We are five over. We meet your code.
Bernt: Okay. We are five over.
Schultz: We are five over your code.
Bernt: Okay.
Schultz: But there is 11 spaces for the clubhouse. We have all the other stuff and your
code says, as you know, one and a half for one bedroom --
Bernt: You have met that.
Schultz: And two and two, so --
Bernt: I get it. I get it. I'm not -- I'm not saying you're not meeting, you know, but what
I'm asking is like, you know, if -- if there is a -- you know, if there is someone on the
north end that's visiting someone and -- you know. But where are they going to park if --
Schultz: This will not be full for a long time. There is always going to be extras. People
are going to be moving in and moving out. Full is considered 95 percent.
Bernt: Right.
Schultz: Not everybody is going to have two cars. Some people only have one. So --
think you have a good code. If you are going to look at revising it I would add -- myself I
would add one, obviously, to the three -- the three bedroom and what it's going to do --
you're not going to get more parking, you're going to get less three bedroom
apartments. That's okay. You know, I think that's all right, really, because in my opinion
that's still a good mix. I mean if you want a three bedroom why don't you go get a
house. But -- but I think that's what's going to end up happening. If you do that -- and
to my point about the Seattle market, they didn't have any three bedrooms, you know,
they just didn't. And so it's -- it's one of those things that there is a lot of housing options
in the valley. And the parking is going to have to be enforced by the management
company, you know, where they are, like if you get a one bedroom you get one, if you
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got two you got two and somehow they are going to have to enforce that. It's going to
be hard, it's going to be difficult, but that's what they are going to have to do. That's
what they get paid to do is enforce that. So, as far as a big party coming over, maybe
you shouldn't party in an apartment. Do it someplace else if you have got too many
guests. I don't know. You know, it's -- but what is the right number is my point. Is ten
extra good? Is 20 extra good? I don't know. It's a little arbitrary, so it just needs to be
figured into whatever your code says and I think it does to a point already. It's just -- I
think you have had maybe an example somewhere where it doesn't work and there are
some places where it does work, so -- yeah. That's it.
Milam: Mr. President?
Borton: Mrs. Milam.
Milam: Matt, thank you for the entertainment.
Schulz: Yeah.
Milam: I love -- I love your open space.
Schultz: Great.
Milam: You're -- you have met all the -- the minimum requirements for amenities, which
is really nice amenities. I'm just going to throw this out there and I mean this is not a
requirement, but you have got this beautiful open space -- you have got Umbria -- you
know, I can really picture a bench or, you know, you have got a lot of units in there. So,
there is -- anyway, there are a lot of places -- I'm just saying like put a little shelter or a
couple of benches or some -- encourage people to walk and hang out and enjoy the
open space.
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Milam: As opposed to just having everybody congregate in this one area around where
all the amenities are. That would just be my only two cents.
Schultz: How about we put a gazebo sitting area somewhere off to the side and that's
perfectly -- a good idea.
Milam: Thank you.
Schultz: You know, we just have -- you know, you get focused and you say, okay, we
are going to do this and, then, work on the next project and that's a good little tweak that
we could do.
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Milam: People that live in apartments need space to have -- as somebody who has a
two car garage and -- let us have our own shelter that we can carry out there, but you
were talking about apartments with a lot less space, so --
Schultz: No. I would love to. I see a couple spots --
Schultz: -- that I agree could work and if you want to add that as a condition that we put
a -- you know, a 12 -by -12 or 15 -by -15 gazebo sitting area --
Bernt: Soccer field. Okay.
Milam: Thank you, Matt.
Schultz: Hey, I want to point out --
Milam: Football stadium.
Schultz: I do want to point out that this is part of a 93 acre site that is improved and 14
of that has an elementary school over on Black Cat that the school district has that kind
of got a free reservation for the last 14 years and they haven't acted on it, they haven't
purchased it yet, but it was part of that -- they were there during the master planning
and go, oh, that looks like a good spot for a school and that's where it stuck ever since
and there is -- it's a pretty good spot for a school. It's just when. We don't know yet.
But it's coming. So, it is part of the site and they have a lot of big open space. It's a half
mile away, but it's -- it's in the site. Thanks.
Borton: Thank you, Matt. Any sign-ups? No sign-ups? Anyone here in the public
wishing to provide testimony on this application?
Cavener: Mr. President?
Borton: Mr. Cavener.
Cavener: Seeing nobody of the public is here to testify, I move we close the public
hearing on Item 9-B.
Milam: Second.
Borton: It's been moved and seconded to close the public hearing on H-2018-0003. All
those in favor say aye.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Cavener: Mr. President?
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Borton: Mr. Cavener.
Cavener: I move we approve Item 9-13, H-2018-0003 -- oh. I guess we didn't give the
applicant any -- I don't think he had anything else there. But include all staff and
applicant testimony.
Milam: Second.
Borton: It's been moved and seconded to approve H-2018-0003 to include staff and
applicant comment and include the gazebo language that was referenced at the end.
Any discussion?
Roll call: Borton, yea; Milam, yea; Cavener, yea; Palmer, absent; Little Roberts, yea;
Bernt, yea.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
C. Public Hearing for Fast Eddy's (H-2018-0006) by
ALC Architecture, Located at 3775 N. Eagle Road
1. Request: Annexation and Zoning of 1.63 acres with a C -G
zoning district; and
2. Request: A Conditional Use Permit for a Drive -Through
Establishment within 300 Feet of a Residential Use and
Extended Hours of Operation in the C -G zoning district of 24
Hours a Day/7 Days a week
Borton: Thanks, Matt. Item 8 -- or 9-C, public hearing for H-2018-0006, Fast Eddy's by
ALC Architecture at 3775 North Eagle Road. We will begin this application with staff
comments. It's an annexation and zoning and CUP. Sonya.
Allen: Thank you, President Borton, Council, this site consists of 1.63 acres of land. It's
zoned RUT in Ada county and located at 3775 North Eagle Road. This property was
previously de -annexed from the city of Boise and included in Meridian's area of city
impact boundary. The Comprehensive Plan future land use map designation -- we are
floating the mixed-use regional designation on the adjacent property to the south that is
under the same ownership. The applicant is requesting annexation and zoning of 1.63
acres of land with the C -G zoning district consistent with the mixed-use regional future
land use map. The site plan is proposed as shown that demonstrates how the
annexation area, as well as the overall site, which includes property to the south that is
not part of this application is proposed to develop. The annexation area is proposed to
develop with a 16,399 square foot convenience retail store, with a drive-thru
establishment and a fuel sales facility. An associated car wash and quick lube is
planned on the abutting property to the south that is not part of this application, but is
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under the same ownership. A conditional use permit is requested for a drive-thru
establishment within 300 feet of an existing residence and extended business hours of
operation within the C -G zoning district for this convenience and fuel sales facility to
operate 24 hours a day, seven days a week, instead of 6:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. as
required when abutting a residential use or district, unless otherwise approved through
a conditional use permit. So, that is what the applicant is requesting tonight is extended
hours. The only existing residence is directly to the -- the north here, that property --
you can see where my pointer is. The drive-thru is proposed on the north side of the
retail store depicted on the north end of the property within 300 feet of an existing
residence to the north. A right -in, right -out access is proposed via an existing driveway
from State Highway 55 on Eagle Road and from a driveway that runs along the south
boundary of the site via Eagle Road. Both of the accesses by the state highway were
approved through a prior variance application. Because this site abuts a state highway
and access is limited, staff is recommending a driveway stub is provided -- provided to
the property to the north, along with a pathway connection. Staff also recommends a
pedestrian walkway is provided along the southern boundary of the site for connection
to the pathway along Eagle Road, which the applicant has agreed to. Conceptual
building elevations were submitted as shown. A Welcome to Meridian monument sign
is proposed at the northeast corner of the site within the buffer along Eagle Road, an
entryway corridor into the city. The Commission recommended approval of the subject
annexation and zoning and conditional use permit. Steve Eddy, the applicant, testified
in favor. No one testified in opposition or commented. Written testimony was received
from James Doolin, FIG Development, LLC, the property owner to the west of this site,
and Steve Eddy, the applicant. Key issues. James Doolin, the property to the west,
stated he is in favor of the proposed development plan with the driveway along the west
property line, because the landscape buffer and six foot tall privacy fence is planned
along the east boundary of the future residential property to buffer the commercial uses
and if you will remember, this property to the west is that multi -family development that
was before you guys awhile back. And, then, Steve Eddy, the applicant, is requesting
that they be allowed to leave the existing office building on this site for use as a
construction office to be demolished before a certificate of occupancy is issued. Staff
and the Commission were in agreement with this request. He also requested they be
allowed to do a property boundary adjustment for two parcels, instead of one. Staff is in
agreement with that request as well. As is the Commission. Third, they not be required
to provide a driveway stub and cross -access easement to the property to the north and
that would be right here in this location, as he feels it will negatively impact the internal
circulation to the development and will be a safety concern to pedestrian access to the
site. The UDC Section 11-3A3 does require cross -access to adjacent properties to
reduce access points to the state highway. Therefore, the staff and Commission was
not in favor of granting that request. Lastly, he requests a reduction in the landscape
buffer along the north property boundary from 25 feet to 12 feet and this is to buffer the
residential uses. He is proposing to provide a berm and a four foot tall fully screened
fence and Council approval of a modification to the buffer width is required specifically
with this application. Key issues of discussion by the Commission was the time of day
that deliveries occur and the 24 hour operation of the facility. Provision of the driveway
to the north boundary for future access and interconnectivity and they were in favor of
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the requested reduced width to the future residential development to the west with that
property owner's consent and support, which was Mr. Doolin, and the reduced buffer
width to the residential property to the north. Commission changes to the staff
recommendation. And they voted to modify development agreement provision number
1.1.1A to allow the existing office building to remain and be used as a construction
office and for it to be demolished prior to issuance of a certificate of occupancy for the
convenience store and modification to development agreement provision number
1.1.1C to allow a property boundary adjustment application to be processed for two
parcels instead of one. An outstanding issues for Council tonight is -- first one is the
Council should determine if extended hours of operation, 24 hours a day, are
appropriate for this site. The UDC restricts hours from 6:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. when a
property abuts a residential use. That does give Council the authority to change that.
And, then, lastly a reduction in the width of the buffer to residential uses as requested
from 25 feet to 12 feet along the north boundary of the site. So, Council action is
required on that also. No written testimony has been received since the Commission
hearing. Staff will stand for any questions.
Borton: Thank you, Sonya. Council, any questions? None at this point. Would the
applicant come forward.
Eddy: I'm Steve Eddy -- or, Council, I'm Steve Eddy, 3775 North Eagle Road, which is
in Boise, Idaho, today and we hope to be in Meridian, Idaho, tonight and then --
Z.Eddy: My name is Zach Eddy. 3775 North Eagle Road.
Borton: Thanks for being here.
Eddy: Thanks. So, I think what we wanted to bring up is -- I think we saw by the
elevations we are Meridian people and we are pretty proud to be the new gateway to
Meridian sign at this development and show, you know, the people that are coming into
Meridian of, you know, what we are about and what retailing we think in the right way is
about and, then, I guess to get off the subject for a minute, I don't know if you guys
really want to know on the -- we came here for the Costco hearing and I'm not sure with
fuel and fuel tanks if you have a concern and would like a short overview of what we are
putting in. So, we -- we put in double wall, full containment tanks and I think tanks get a
bad name in the industry. Tanks really aren't the issue for fuel leaks. It's proven that
you can look at the Q reports and state reports, improper installation of the lines and the
dispensers is 99 percent of the leaks in the fuel industry and that's usually done by test
or people that don't quite do things right and don't monitor their sites right. So, the tanks
we propose are full double walled. So, a tank inside a tank. So, if the inner tank
happens to leak, there is a monitor inside between the two tanks that will go off if any
liquid gets in that, then, you have an outer tank on top of that. So, you never say never,
but they are pretty foolproof today on the tank side. And, then, we take from that the
line and basically do the same thing. We run a conduit that's about a four inch conduit,
run the lines inside that to create another double wall containment space, with a sensor
at both ends. So, there is a sensor at the tank end, there is a sensor at the dispenser
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end and if any liquid hit it, then, basically, you can take a glass -- and we test these is
put a glass of water, put the sensor in, if the monitors go off, the lights go off, then, and
you know you have a problem. Last year with the weather we had in this valley we had
water not get in the tanks, but get into those spills and in those sumps with the freezing
and that happened to every gas station in this valley. We were tight and never got any
water in the fuel, but the sensors went off and that's what they are supposed to do with
the contaminant. You know, water was a test, but the contaminants -- what we are
trying to stop, and that solves most of the issues that we are worried about with a fuel
station today. The containment area inside the dispensers also -- DEQ just passed
something we have been doing my whole career is manually opening the dispensers up
monthly and looking underneath to see if you have a leak. That's 99 percent of the
leaks is under there and we manually -- he learned how to do this -- is take the cover off
and give a visual leak. That's now required for DEQ standards to do that monthly. That
-- because that's where the leaks start is in that area and a lot of dispensers out there
that have been installed don't have a containment bucket under the dispenser, which is
virtually a bathtub to catch the product before it could go into the ground and
contaminate the aquifers. We also do a double wall fill bucket. I think in the old days
the biggest problem was when the tanker is delivering the fuel -- they did it, they drained
the hose, there was just gravel around the fill bucket. Every time they filled -- I don't
want to say a gallon of fuel that got in there -- we have a double wall containment there,
too, so if they overfill the tank or drain the hose, it goes, basically, into a funnel type
thing and slowly goes into the tank, not just into the ground. So, like I say, you never
say never, but we protect the environment in the ground about as best you can from a
fuel contaminant getting in the ground or in the dirt at the facility. I don't know if you
have any questions on that part of it.
Borton: Council, any questions? No?
Eddy: Okay. And, then, hours I think, you know, we have requested 24, mostly just due
to the state highway and Eagle Road. I don't think we will be open 24. 1 mean we will
have our fuel unattended, but I don't think the store hours -- I'm a pretty firm believer
from my first career at this that nothing happens good after midnight and we pretty
much will close the facility at midnight. We have looked at possibly keeping the drive-
thru open later while people are cleaning up and it's a safe environment where we don't
have to worry about our clerks ever having an issue. A drive-thru window is close to a
residential, but that neighbor and the rest of the neighbors we have met ongoing to this
whole process. The neighbor that we have to the straight north he was fine with a ten
foot landscape barrier and a fence. We proposed 12 and the fence. If the property is
for sale for commercial use, I think that will happen in the near future, but he, himself, is
fine with the ten foot, so we have met with him multiple times. The cross -access to the
north -- I have an issue with that -- with this site and, you know, other sites are
thankfully busy and we are hoping this one will be busier than some of the others and
with the pedestrian traffic from the neighbor now it looks like going in behind in the
apartments and the drive-thru in there, I just felt with the property to the north being
developed and Jasmine Lane still being probably an access point and, then, Wainwright
being the next access point, I don't believe there will be another access point granted
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with how the property to the north currently sits, other than what's there today, so I don't
know that it's going to help to have them coming through my site versus Centrepoint. I
would love the traffic, but I am seriously worried about a car leaving the drive-thru and
the pedestrian paths we are putting in for all the residential, which is the action we seem
to have and somebody getting hurt and that's my motivation for not wanting the cross -
access on that northerly boundary. I think that's it, unless you guys have any other
questions or you guys need to add.
Borton: Thank you, Steve. Council, any questions?
Cavener: Mr. President?
Borton: Mr. Cavener.
Cavener: Steve, you, obviously, are very familiar with your property, but on that cross -
access piece, that's the one that's kind of giving me a little bit of trouble and I'm looking
at it from this one image that's here in front of us. Can you kind of share with us where
you see the concerns originating from? And the reason why I asked that is -- is almost
to your point that this is a -- you know, next to a state highway and I'm trying to figure
out where we are going to see this pedestrian traffic that you're --
Eddy: Okay.
Cavener: --really concerned about.
Eddy: Well, this pedestrian pathway that I'm pointing to now is going to come from the
north and there is this fairly develop -- a large developer now looking at this property
behind the piece that abuts me to the north for residential. All of the property to the
west is a pretty large apartment complex that's going in today. They will be coming
through there mostly because right here there is a fire lane -- well, it's right here. There
is a fire lane with just bollards for fire to get into that apartment complex in case of an
emergency. I know that those residents in that apartment complex, they will not go
down to the designated spot. The easiest and least resistance is walking through this
wide driveway that will be for fire access and that's how they will come to this facility.
The majority. Which if we have a drive-thru going out here I'm already worried a little bit
about that, but if we have -- you know, it depends on what happens here. A lot of
access driving through here and these people they will not follow this sidewalk up to
here, they will just come straight through to there when they walk through and with the
drive-thru, with the truck delivery, that we do have, and with this, I just feel our sites are
busier than most. With the traffic we generate, what we have going on, I just feel it's
unsafe for people and I don't think there is a worry for you guys that other than Jasmine
there will not be another access point I don't believe north until you get to Wainwright
where a light is. If you look at the master plan here where it's -- this red -- is this red
line, Sonya, the Centrepoint -- the new Centrepoint? The dashed line? Oh, right down
here.
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Allen: Not necessarily, Steve. They are located in a different alignment. Excuse me,
President Borton.
Eddy: So, right in here along our other access point I believe is right here that goes to
Hobby Lobby. I think this is Hobby Lobby. So, right behind Hobby Lobby Centrepoint is
extended right now with an apartment development. So, right here. If this housing
complex that I hear is going in in here, which I don't think you have seen anything on
that yet -- they will I'm sure have to extend this to this Wainwright access, which is right
about here that takes you right to the light right here. So, I think if the development that
I'm worried about happens, they will have an access through here to Wainwright. I don't
think there will be another access, other than to Jasmine and, then, to ours.
Cavener: Mr. President?
Borton: Mr. Cavener.
Cavener: Mr. Eddy, then, will you not take any access to your facility off of Jasmine?
Eddy: No.
Cavener: Thank you.
Borton: So, Steve, that's -- if I'm tracking the question, if -- if any of the folks in these to
be built apartments or anybody to the west wants to access your facility by car, it would
have to take quite a roundabout path to get onto Eagle Road to an access; is that
correct?
Eddy: No. No. No. No.
Borton: Okay.
Eddy: It's already blocked off. So, my westerly line is going to be a fence to protect that
neighborhood that that developer is putting in, Mr. Doolin.
Borton: Okay.
Eddy: And, then, we will have one or two pedestrian accesses and that fire access, but
they will be able to come -- well, it's not -- this map isn't the best -- the road that turns in
that goes to Hobby Lobby right here --
Borton: Uh-huh.
Eddy: -- this road takes you into the two access points into the apartment complex. So,
you will be able to come right back on this road and, then, come in -- oops. Where am I
at? Sorry. This right here -- this road you will be able to come in off of Eagle Road and
this road will come around -- if you see -- where am I at? I guess right here.
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Borton: You could take that drive aisle --
Eddy: Yeah. That drive aisle that turns into Hobby Lobby currently and goes west,
that's the main access for the apartments. But, then, you will be able to use Centrepoint
probably eventually someday it will go to Wainwright and circle around us completely,
but there is no access to the west that Mr. Doolin has going into the apartment complex.
Borton: Okay. So -- so, in lieu of having the northern access, the apartments would
access on their southern portion heading east and, then, head north on the drive aisle to
get to your --
Eddy: Yeah. They wouldn't be able to really get in that proposed northerly access
point --
Borton: Okay.
Eddy: --either way.
Borton: Okay. Did we describe that correct? The path that individuals to the west
could get to this without accessing Eagle Road?
Allen: That is correct.
Borton: Okay. All right. Steve, one other question. You mentioned the -- the time of
operation, you know, 6:00 to -- 6:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. It sounds like maybe midnight.
Is it your suggestion that 6:00 a.m. to midnight might be an acceptable hours of
operation realistically in light of what you expect to be --
Eddy: 6:00 a.m. is a little late. If you guys are out -- we are all out earlier today. So, we
open -- we open our other facilities at 5:30 and closing is midnight.
Borton: Okay.
Eddy: The only thing -- the difference in here is the highway and Eagle Road, the traffic
it takes that people now are working all kinds of hours.
Borton: Uh-huh.
Eddy: If it ever was needed -- I just didn't want to have to come back and ask for an
exception at that time, but we would -- we would vision this site being open from 5:00
a.m. to midnight to start.
Borton: Okay.
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Eddy: But, then, the car wash facility and the lube facility, it would be more hours like
8:00 to 8:00, 8:00 to 9:00 in the summer. We would never be open 24 hours.
Borton: Thank you, Steve. Council, any questions of the applicant? Okay.
Eddy: Okay.
Borton: If anyone from the public is signed up to provide testimony?
Coles: No sign-ups, Mr. President.
Borton: There are no sign-ups. That speeds it along. Anyone here present tonight who
wishes to provide testimony on this application? Going once. Nobody?
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Borton: Mrs. Milam.
Milam: I have a question for Sonya. On the landscape buffers they are supposed to be
25 feet if it is against residential and Mr. Eddy made it sound like it's going to be
commercial next door. What -- if it is commercial what is the landscaper buffer
supposed to be?
Allen: Councilman Borton, Councilman Milam, if it's commercial there is no buffer, there
is just the regular five foot perimeter landscape buffer, but residential uses or zoning
requires a greater buffer width than 25 feet in a C -G district.
Milam: Thank you.
Borton: Sonya, is there any finding we have to make or is it merely a choice to waive
that requirement if we find it appropriate?
Allen: If you find it appropriate just include that in your motion. Thank you.
Borton: Okay. Sonya, I'm going to ask you one more on the -- the recommendation for
the cross -access, it sounds like there was some pretty good explanation as to why this
circumstance might not warrant what would otherwise be required. What was the staff's
perspective on --
Allen: President Borton, Councilmen, the applicant's response does address traffic from
the south. They would not be required to go out onto the state highway to access the
site. However, it does not address development to the north. Jasmine Lane is currently
a private lane, so they won't be using that and -- and it doesn't touch this property
anyway, but if, in fact, the property to the north does develop with non-residential uses,
it would be a benefit to be able to access the site without them having to go out onto
Eagle Road. So, that's the reason for the requirement.
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Borton: Any other questions of staff at this point? Mr. Eddy, anything you want to
provide in response? The final word is yours.
Eddy: Again Steve Eddy, 3775 North Eagle Road. The only thing, I believe, is if
something happens to the north, I believe ITD -- my gut -- they will give that user access
on Jasmine Lane to that and I'm not sure what will happen with the proposed residential
behind, if they will get access to Jasmine, but I believe that ITD would allow an access
there for use on Jasmine Lane.
Borton: Council, any additional questions, information from staff needed? If none is
there a motion?
Cavener: Mr. President?
Borton: Mr. Cavener.
Cavener: Not seeing any requests from anybody on Council asking questions, so I
would move that we close the public hearing on Item H-2018-0006.
Milam: Second.
Borton: It has been moved and seconded to close the public hearing on H-2018-0006.
All those in favor say aye. Motion passes.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Borton: Any discussion?
Cavener: Mr. President?
Borton: Mr. Cavener.
Cavener: Just for discussion sake, I'm for the most part very supportive of the
application. Always appreciate the Eddy family and their investment in our community.
I have wrestled a little bit with this access -- cross -access issue. To Sonya's point, we
likely create a hindrance for access from the north on a state highway and I'm not quite
sure the best way to mitigate that. I'm not sure where the rest of the Council is on that
and I'm fine to be the Ione wolf on that particular piece.
Milam: I second that.
Cavener: But to me it's -- I think that we need to find a good solution to allow the cross -
access to occur if needed. I don't know if staff has other thoughts or other
recommendations that we can address what is I think, quite honestly, is a very valid
concern by the applicant, who is concerned about safety with pedestrian traffic coming
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from the apartment complex to the west, but still be able to provide that cross -access.
don't know if in the discussion if staff provided any other alternatives or solutions, if the
applicant had any ideas, whether it was an either/or situation.
Bernt: Mr. President?
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Bernt: I'm very much in favor for this project. Again I echo what Councilman Cavener
said earlier about the Eddy family and their investment in our community, it's very much
appreciated, they do great projects. Very much in favor with the recommendation to
allow a smaller buffer. I'm okay with that. You know, I think that makes sense,
especially if the parcel to the north ends up, you know, becoming commercial. The only
thing I'm wrestling with, honestly, is to echo again what Councilman Cavener mentioned
in regard to the access. We have seen too many times, unfortunately, when we have
chose to limit access and it creates more problems than it solves sometimes and so I'm
wrestling with that idea, because, you know, I agree with Steve's point in regard to
safety, I think it's a valid point as well, so it's something that maybe we need to discuss
a little bit further this evening. But I lean more toward allowing that access.
Milam: Mr. President?
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Milam: So, at first I wasn't really thrilled about the landscape buffers, but seeing as the
-- it's mostly commercial, the one residential parcel may become commercial, I'm okay
with that. I like the application. I think that the issue is with the cross -access and -- and
seeing how there have been applications that come before us without access and we
are like how did this ever happen and who let it happen and I just have this in my gut
like I can't let it happen on my watch, but there is I think maybe one other possibility,
which would be letting him close the access, but with an easement for future access if
needed and that's the only other way that I can think of kind of getting both things in
there.
Little Roberts: Mr. President?
Borton: Mrs. Little Roberts.
Little Roberts: Mr. President. Sonya, did I understand that right, that Jasmine is a
private lane? So, providing access to it wouldn't really provide access to the nearby
tenants anyway, because they shouldn't be using a private lane?
Allen: Councilman Little Roberts, Councilmen, Jasmine is a private lane. This property,
as I stated earlier, does not have frontage on that property. They wouldn't have right to
it anyway with a private lane. The cross -access easement is basically what Councilman
Milam already suggested is that it would be an easement for future use and that the
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driveway would be constructed at this time. But right now with the current use on there
it wouldn't -- nothing would connect to it and this would just be for future redevelopment
of the property to the north. If it does go commercial, then, that property, then, the
larger piece, would touch the applicant's property and at that time we would require a
cross -access easement -- access easement from them to the Eddy parcel.
Little Roberts: Thank you.
Borton: Sonya, to do that it would necessitate eliminating the western portion of the
parking spaces and that would become the continued drive aisle effectively?
Allen: Councilman Borton, no. It would -- if you see my pointer here, it would be in this
area right here. But you would still have parking.
Borton: Okay. Just the safety concerns that were raised is with the drive-thru exit being
about the same location for southern traveling traffic.
Milam: Mr. President?
Borton: Mrs. Milam.
Milam: What I was saying is have the access easement, but not necessarily require the
construction of the driveway at this time and, then, if needed at a later date, because it
may be way down the road, then, whoever has the property to the north can put in the
driveway and -- and some good speed bumps for safety. I don't know. What do you
think of that?
Allen: Council President, if I may respond to Councilman Milam's suggestion. You
know, it's tough. If we don't get it right to begin with, it's -- it's really tough to make that
happen. You suggested that it can -- the financial burden could be on the property to
the north. That's true. It's an off-site improvement for them. It's something that we
could require as a provision of their annexation. If we missed it, though, you know, it's
getting it constructed on somebody else's property is a problem, too. If we had the
applicant construct it at a later date, you know, there is no mechanism for that really
either. So, I caution you if you're going to approve it that way, it does have some
hurdles possibly down the road.
Borton: So, it would sound from the -- the issues before us it sounds like as to the
property boundary buffer to the north, reducing it from 25 to 12 feet seems acceptable
or sounds acceptable to the Council. The remaining of the -- the remainder of the
proposed changes, use of the existing properties and construction office, those all
sounded to be acceptable to Council. The one item of cross -access to the north is to be
discussed and, then, the hours of operation was one of the remaining issues to be
addressed. The request is that in lieu of 6:00 a.m. to 11:00 a.m., it go to 24 hours.
Council, any comment or position on the hours of operation requested?
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Bernt: Mr. President?
Borton: Mr. Bernt.
Bernt: I'm totally okay with the hours of operation. I mean this is a -- you know, a state
highway and with -- the busiest state highway in probably all of Idaho and so I'm
completely okay if it needs be in the future if this project, you know, needs, you know, to
be open later, I mean I'm totally okay with that. I'm okay with that.
Borton: Any other -- any concerns with that request? Okay. It sounds like that leaves
the remaining outstanding issue as to the cross -access request to the north, whether
that's going to be a requirement.
Cavener: Mr. Chairman -- Mr. President?
Borton: Mr. Cavener.
Cavener: With that, then, I feel confident in my ability to make a motion that we approve
Item 9-C, H-2018-0006, include all staff and applicant testimony, being in agreement
with the applicant's request to leave the off-site building to be used as a construction
office, to be demolished before the CO is issued. That's 1.1A. Item B, 1.1C for the
property boundary adjustment. Item D, 1.13D to reduce the landscape buffer from 25
feet to 12 feet with a berm and a four foot tall fully screened fence, as well as the
modification to allow for 24 hour use of the facility.
Bernt: Second.
Borton: There is a motion and a second. Any discussion for Council?
Cavener: Mr. President?
Borton: Mr. Cavener.
Cavener: Just for clarification, because there was some -- some questions under
everyone's breath specifically related to the cross -access, as I -- as I maintained earlier,
I appreciate where the applicant is coming from on this, but I think that Council Member
Milam made I think a point that I had not considered, which is how many times we have
been up here and have wrestled with why previous councils didn't approve a cross -
access and now we are trying to patchwork and fix and engage property owners. I just
think it's appropriate to do it this way as is, understanding maybe it may never come to
fruition, but I also know that the applicant builds quality development I'm a -- I'm a fan of
and noted that safety is always a concern of those facilities and I feel confident that they
will continue to maintain a safe environment for their customers, as well as their renters.
Borton: So, it sounds like the motion includes the requirement for the cross -access to
the north?
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Cavener: Correct.
Borton: Okay. Any other discussion by Council? If none, Mr. Clerk.
Roll call: Borton, yea; Milam, yea; Cavener, yea; Palmer, absent; Little Roberts, yea;
Bernt, yea.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
D. Public Hearing for 2018 UDC Text Amendment (H-2018-0011)
By City of Meridian Planning Division
1. Request: A Text Amendment to Certain Sections of the UDC
Pertaining to Uses Allowed in Table 11-2A-2; Standards for
Portable Signs; Daycare Facility Specific Use Standards;
Provisions to Allow Multi -Family Private Open Space
Standards to be Eligible for Alternative Compliance AND
Modify the Subdivision Street Names Standards to Align with
Newly Adopted Title 8, Chapter 2, Uniform Street Name and
Addressing Number Code
Borton: Thank you, everybody. Item No. 9-D is a public hearing on a 2018 UDC text
amendment by the City of Meridian. Caleb will be leading the presentation.
Hood: Yes. Thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Council. I am here to present
some changes to the Unified Development Code, also known as Title 11 of Meridian
City Code. These really are -- are clean-up items in -- in our opinion. Typically we
would -- we would bring these to you in like a workshop setting, just to kind of get your --
your feel and kind of let you know where we are heading with some of these. But we
really did feel like these were pretty minor changes and I apologize that you're seeing
these, essentially, for the first time, but you have seen some of these already in various
forms, so let me just kind of get into that. The first change we are proposing has to do
with daycare of the group variety and so just let me quickly refresh your memory. We
have three different types of daycare facilities. We have a family daycare, which is up
to seven kids, and a group daycare, which is up to 12, and, then, a daycare center,
which is more than 12. So, this is that middle category of a group daycare. We -- we
are proposing to make that a conditionally allowed use within the R-4 district. Some of
the reasons for that is in the -- the most intense, the daycare center, in the R-4 zone --
now we allow that with a condition use permit, yet we don't allow a daycare center, a
less intense one with a conditional use permit in -- in that district. So, that didn't seem
to make any sense why we would allow it with a CU 12 or more, but not seven to 12.
So, that's the proposal there. So clean-up -- yes. The other way you could potentially
go is to remove daycare centers from R-4. That would also make it consistent. So
either way. But we feel like one of those two things need to happen and we said we
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have had some people that are interested in actually having daycares in R-4, so let's go
this direction with it as a conditionally allowed use. So, that's the first change. The
second change really is due to a Supreme Court ruling from a few years ago, Reed
versus Gilbert. Our sign ordinance right now gets pretty specific into the types of
businesses that are allowed to have a portable sign in downtown. It gets specific as
restaurants and retailers. So, if you're, for example, a business that does taxes, you're
not eligible right now per our code to pull a portable sign permit. So, this is a clean-up
item where we will be neutral on the type of business that -- that pulls this type of a sign
permit. The third change has, again, to do with daycare facilities and this is, basically,
feedback from our fire marshal, as well as some of our customers -- let me advance the
slide so -- note. Bill put this together, both the -- the text you see on the presentation
this evening. I'm just presenting it to you, but through that feedback from our customers
and the fire marshal it made more sense in our process to get the background checks
later on, rather than with -- prior to issuance of a certificate of zoning compliance, so we
can keep them moving through the process. Very rarely is that an issue. There is a
stopgap there we are planning to still issue the CZC. The fire marshal doesn't have to
approve it and they would stop there. So, that one, again, is kind of a process clean up.
The next two kind of go together, so this is UDC 11-4-3-27133 and Table 11-5B and
mentioned that you were -- that had already heard some of these. If you recall, Brighton
had a project earlier this year or late last year I should say, TM Creek Apartments, and
they actually submitted for a code amendment -- a UDC code amendment to make it
eligible for alternative compliance and through that process at Mr. Nary's advisement,
decided to -- we were more comfortable processing it this way. So, you already heard
about the private usable open space requirement for apartments and that project for
Brighton got through. This allows that same process for others that might have
circumstances that were -- where 70 or 80 percent of private usable open space per unit
doesn't make sense, because they got a common courtyard that they all could share or
other reasons. Just the context. Maybe it's an urban context and they don't believe that
they need to be -- to provide a private usable space per unit. The sixth change -- that
was four and five to those sections of code I mentioned -- is to UDC 11 -6C -3D3. This
has to align with the -- the adopted code you all did last year in Title 8 of City Code. So,
this -- this makes it so our codes don't conflict in Title 11 and Title 8 with authority for
street naming. So, it's been some time. You may not recall that, but you changed that
process with the Planning and Zoning Commission now playing a role. You still -- it
could be appealed to you in a lot of cases, but, basically, this aligns Title 8, Chapter 2,
Uniform Street Name and addressing number code with the sections of the UDC and
those are the changes proposed. We did share this with the UDC focus group and
Building Contractors Association of Southwest Idaho. We did not hold any in-person
meetings, because, again, these are pretty minor, but we did offer that, hey, we are
going to electronically share it. If we hear from you we can hold a meeting. We didn't
get that feedback. We heard from two folks, Becky McKay and Cornell Larsen, both
commented on this -- more clarifying questions than any real concerns with what was
proposed. I have not received -- we have not received any additional testimony since
the Planning and Zoning Commission and there wasn't anyone at P&Z that testified
either -- on this topic. So, again, in summary, these are changes as staff we believe are
-- are pre -administrative and minor in scope and make the UDC more understandable,
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enforceable, all the way around and implementation as well. So, with that, Mr.
President, I would stand for any -- any questions you may.
Borton: Thank you, Caleb. Council, any questions on these? Caleb, to your point, it
would be more common to see it in a workshop and get some feedback and, then, have
the public hearing, but these seem to be relatively simple cleanups as you have
presented them and very well could be acted on tonight. Might not be time sensitive,
but in light of their simplicity we could act tonight if that's the Council's desire. Council?
Anybody?
Coles: No sign-ups.
Borton: Nobody's signed up. Thank you. The room is --
Cavener: We got one.
Borton: -- almost empty. Anybody here in the public who wishes to provide any
testimony on these amendments? None? Nobody? Nobody's signed up. Council, any
discussion on these?
Cavener: Mr. President?
Borton: Mr. Cavener.
Cavener: To your point I think these are relatively clean-up issues. I guess just one
question for Caleb. Caleb, Ms. McKay had a comment about one piece being
somewhat vague. Do you have a response to her? Did we make any changes to any
text after we received that feedback that needs to be notated?
Hood: I'm sorry, Mr. President. Councilman Cavener, if you could -- I don't actually
recall if I read her correspondence. Again, Bill has processed this. Could you refresh
my memory on what her concern was?
Cavener: Mr. President.
Borton: Mr. Cavener.
Cavener: Her comment was on at Section 11-4-3-27133. The additional language for
allowing for alternative compliance seems a little vague. Not what I would call a robust
amount of feedback, but I just was curious, recognizing that Bill was the one that put
this together.
Hood: Mr. President, Councilman Cavener, again, I do apologize, I am not real familiar
with that correspondence. Bill, I have to assume, did respond to her, though, and at
least thank her for that and provided some context for why it's written the way it is. I will
let you know we have a separate section that you don't see on here, because we are
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not proposing any changes to it, to the -- the findings, if you will, that we look at when
evaluating if alternative compliance is warranted or not. So, that -- maybe that's what
she's referring to and didn't look at that in that context. There are some circumstances
we look at when approving or recommending denial of alternative compliance. So, we
haven't heard any -- any follow-up from Ms. McKay either, so I have to assume she got
-- her concerns have been clarified since.
Cavener: Mr. President?
Borton: Mr. Cavener.
Cavener: Don't see any other questions or comment, I move that we close the public
hearing on Item 9-D, H-2018-0011.
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Borton: It's been moved and seconded to close the public hearing on Item 9-D. All
those in favor say aye. The hearing is closed.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Borton: Any discussion?
Cavener: Mr. President?
Borton: I move we approve 9-D, UDC Text Amendment H-2018-0011.
Milam: Second.
Borton: It has been moved and seconded to approve Item 9-D, H-2018-0011. If there
is no discussion, Mr. Clerk.
Roll call: Borton, yea; Milam, yea; Cavener, yea; Palmer, absent; Little Roberts, yea;
Bernt, yea.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Borton: Thank you. And, Caleb, while we are on this topic somewhat, a couple of the
items that have come up in Council discussions -- not for tonight to be discussed, but
put on the parking lot for future discussions and maybe they are already in front of you -
- was an evaluation and discussion and perhaps a change of parking requirements in
multi -family. I know that probably -- these are already probably on your list, but they are
things I have noted to make sure they are. The other one is a discussion and perhaps
modification of the open space requirements for different zoning classifications. There
may be many others, but I know those two have come to light in some of the Council
discussions for perhaps the next roundabout of those amendments.
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Hood: So, Mr. President, your meeting, if you want we could read the ordinance and I
can give you an update on your -- your topic now if you would like on that a little a bit.
However you would like to proceed, because, yes, I have some updates that I could
provide you just real quick if you would like. So, yeah, parking standards, as you guys
even talked a little bit tonight with Mr. Schultz's project there off of Franklin, we have
been meeting on that -- and not just on multi -family. Also on commercial and also for
schools and other industrial parking standards. We are really looking at all of our
parking standards at this point to see if they are still appropriate or not. We have had
some recent issues with -- just to call out a business and it's not all their fault I don't
think but where the curb is at there, the fire marshal has had some issues with some of
the parking in fire lanes and just not having enough parking there to the Blue Heron
apartments here on Meridian Road is a multi -family project, also had some issues.
Everest Lane up parallel to Chinden. So, again, we are looking -- and they will have
different uses there, so we are looking kind of at our parking standards. So, the plan is
to come -- I believe it's May 10th at your workshop. I don't have the calendar in front of
me, but I have a placeholder in NovusAGENDA manager right now to provide you those
updates. We are still working through that with code enforcement and fire. We have
done research with other municipalities in the Treasure Valley and even in the
northwest to see what they use for parking standards, so will share that with you, kind of
a table that shows this is what others do with bars and restaurants and multi -family and
so you can see all that and we will kind of informally propose some potential code
amendments on parking. But, yes, multi -family is in that list. Open space and
amenities. We -- we have talked about that at our planning staff meetings for the past --
we didn't do it this -- two weeks ago, because of transition to parking now, but the last
month or six weeks or so we have been talking about open space and amenities.
Again, I don't want to pull the punchline just yet, but we do have some proposed
changes to what may be eligible for open space that we think you -- you may be
interested in, just what we -- we qualify as open space right now. We did look at,
essentially, having -- hierarchy is the only word that comes to mind, but a staggered,
you know, R-2 ten -- you know, five percent, R-4 12, R-8 15. That type of thing. And
that just didn't seem to really address the issue. I will tell you more of the story, but we
are looking at open space and amenities and -- and have some thoughts on that that we
would like to share with you here in a couple three weeks.
Bernt: Mr. President?
Hood: As well as fees. Sorry. I wanted to fit fees in there, too, so --
Borton: Mr. Bernt.
Bernt: This is awesome. This is good news to hear. I feel like sometimes, you know,
we are sort of hamstrung to a certain degree, because a lot of times, you know, these
developers with these applications, they meet those requirements and -- and so we are
almost asking them for favors, you know, we are almost groveling, could you, please, do
this, can you, please, do that and, then, there is -- and, then, it's to their point it's almost
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like, okay, we will throw you a bone, we will do it, but we don't really need to. So, it's
actually pretty cool that we are having this discussion. It's awesome. I'm glad we are
doing it. Another -- another thing, though, I think it's important to distinguish -- and I'm
sure you guys have already talked about this, but the difference between urban, you
know, development and -- versus suburban development. You know, I don't -- I don't --
I'm not necessarily concerned about the parking issues with like -- for example, we had
a recent develop -- application, the 2 1/2 Street Apartments, like I get why there is not
as much parking in that location, as opposed to something out in middle Meridian
somewhere. I mean it's completely two different animals and so just something to -- to
talk about this, but just the thoughts that I had.
Hood: Mr. President, I know there wasn't a question in there, but if I can just piggyback
on -- on that comment. I also hope that -- so, I don't know if you have noticed, but these
code amendments don't move very rapidly. It takes us some time. We have a process.
We get this UDC group together and we talk about things and we try to get everybody
on the same page, but I do hope you have noticed over the past -- since we had the
joint meeting with P&Z even, some of the multi -family projects that have come in. Staff
has been recommending more than the minimum. Tonight is a bad example, because
that has had R-40 zoning for ten or 12 years or whatever it is, but most of the projects
you see have annexation and zoning requests. That's where you don't have to grovel.
You can say we want to see two per unit period if you want to annex into the city and so
we are sort of already implementing more than that than the -- the bare minimum for
code -- that code requires for parking anyways. Open space and amenities -- maybe
not so much. But, again, because it's one, typically a conditional use permit, and, two,
they are asking for the zoning they need, we really have a lot of -- going back to some
of that training with P&Z, you have a lot of discretion in that. If you don't believe it's in
the best interest of the city to approve that project and give them that zoning as
requested, you don't have to. The findings don't -- you don't -- don't overthink the
findings on those. If they are unwilling to provide the required -- your level of required
parking. But to that point, staff is looking at the adjacent road -- the public streets. Is
there on -street parking. Overflow on -street parking that can happen. Some of the -- if
it's on Franklin you can't park on Franklin. So, that doesn't do you any good. But some
of these projects are on other roads that have on -street parking available. It doesn't
technically count when all the spaces on site are filled, you can park on the streets in
downtown Meridian, for example; right? So, the 2 1/2 Street project, you can even park
on 2 1/2 Street.
Bernt: Yeah.
Hood: We don't technically count that, but realistically it counts. So, that's kind of some
of the analysis -- I hope you have noticed Sonya and Josh doing recently on those
projects. So, it's -- it really does function better, even though maybe it isn't exceeding
the code requirements. But I appreciate the comments.
Bernt: Mr. President?
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Borton: Mr. Bernt.
Bernt: Certainly not a criticism, Caleb. Certainly my comments were certainly not
criticizing, just -- just thoughts.
Borton: It may come up on the May 8th Workshop as well, but your staff has -- has
spoken about open space requirements and, you know, developments adjacent to or
near large city parks and public recreation areas might not necessitate as much, but
maybe some more flexibility in those requirements, depending on where they are
located. So, similar to the parking, the flexibility you have described. So, stay tuned on
May 8th for a good discussion it sounds like.
Milam: Mr. President?
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Milam: Caleb, so on May 8th, which it's not on the agenda yet, but is it -- is it discussion
or is it presentation? Do you want our feedback before, then, or do you want to know
what we want at that time or what we are looking for?
Hood: So, Councilman Cavener and I actually had -- Mr. President. Councilman
Cavener and I had a similar conversation a couple few weeks ago and that I have a city
liaison, but I invite any of you to contact us at any time if you have any things you want
to share or direction you want to give. I think it's more productive at this point in time,
but we are not proposing to you any solid -- you know, we don't have a solid proposal
on the 8th. We have some thoughts that we think we want to get your feedback on the
8th, but if you have something now you want to preempt some of those thoughts or
make sure they are included in this, I'm happy that you can call or e-mail me or share
them now, whatever you would like to do. We are open. So, however you would like to
proceed. But it's not going to be overly formal on the 8th. It's a workshop meeting.
Again, we haven't shared this with BCA or, you know, anyone in the development
community. This is just us hearing your discussion with P&Z and other hearings over
the past year or so and trying to respond to some of that. You can judge on the 8th how
well we have done on that and, then, we have got to vet that through, again, the
development community and see where it goes from there. But, again, if you have
something you want to share now I'm -- I can take notes and we can further look at it in
the next couple of weeks.
Milam: Mr. President?
Borton: Mrs. Milam.
Milam: Caleb, I -- probably most of the things that I would like to share I have already
shared over the last few years. I think that our minimums are too low at -- both on open
space and on amenities, particularly amenities with high-density housing. I think that at
some point it shouldn't be based on the acreage as much as the number of homes and
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the number of people that they have to serve. So, those are comments that I have
made in the past and kind of where I would like to see it go. We have -- we are growing
so fast we are -- everybody's complaining about the -- the rate of growth and so maybe
a way to slow that down a little bit is to not be the minimum, cheapest place to build, the
cheapest type of housing developments and if we are going to get some stuff, it will be
higher quality and, you know, better for our future and if this -- our qualifications are --
and our minimums are too high for some, there is other places to go.
Hood: So, Mr. Borton -- excuse me -- Council President Borton, if I can just, again, a
little bit on -- on -- more on that. I alluded to it in my opening remarks. It's -- and I don't
have it in front of me, so I'm going off of memory of our last draft we talked about as
staff. The ten percent. Right now we tend to get quite a bit of that qualified open space,
the ten percent being parallel to roads and buffers. We are proposing to remove that.
So, then, you're effective open space -- that number doesn't go up from ten, but what
counts to that ten changes; right? So, you're -- now you're getting -- if you were to
count that you would be in the 14 to 15 percent range say. So, you can kind of -- sixes
one way, a half dozen the other; right? We could either say 15 percent, you can count
the -- the street buffers or don't count street buffers and provide ten and we are still
getting, essentially, that's -- so, again, I'm oversimplifying that, but that's, essentially,
how we are getting there to kind of step up that minimum. The amenities --
Milam: There is no quality open space and that's --
Hood: That's right.
Milam: -- and that's what matters.
Hood: It's going to be --
Milam: In the development and there is nothing -- there is really -- we got 10.000001
percent open space. Well, we met your minimum and you look at the plat and there is
like -- there is really not a whole lot of green anything. So, yeah, I appreciate it.
However you go about it it's not the number to me, it's the -- it's what the end result that
we are getting in the development.
Hood: Right.
Milam: So, thank you.
Item 10: Ordinances
A. Ordinance No. 18-1770: (Turf Farm Subdivision H-2017-0149)
An Ordinance For Annexation Of Parcels Of Land Situated In A
Portion Of The South'/2 Of The Southwest'/40f Section 33,
Township 3 North, Range 1 East, Boise Meridian, Ada County,
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Idaho, As Described In Attachment "A" And Annexing Certain
Lands And Territory, Situated In Ada County, Idaho, And Adjacent
And Contiguous To The Corporate Limits Of The City Of Meridian
As Requested By The City Of Meridian; Establishing And
Determining The Land Use Zoning Classification Of 35.35 Acres Of
Land From RUT To R-8 (Medium Density Residential)(16.560
Acres) And R-15 (Medium High Density Residential)(18.794 Acres)
Zoning Districts In The Meridian City Code; Providing That Copies
Of This Ordinance Shall Be Filed With The Ada County Assessor,
The Ada County Recorder, And The Idaho State Tax Commission,
As Required By Law; And Providing For A Summary Of The
Ordinance; And Providing For A Waiver Of The Reading Rules;
And Providing An Effective Date
Borton: Should be a good workshop. Thank you, Caleb. Item No. 10-A, Ordinance No.
18-1770. Mr. Clerk.
Coles: Thank you, Mr. President. City of Meridian Ordinance No. 18-1770, Turf Farm
Subdivision, file H-2017-0149, an ordinance for annexation of parcels of land situated
in a portion of the South'/2 of the Southwest'/4 of Section 33, Township 3 North, Range
1 East, Boise meridian, Ada County, Idaho, as described in Attachment "A" and
annexing certain lands and territory, situated in Ada county, Idaho, and adjacent and
contiguous to the corporate limits of the City of Meridian as requested by the City of
Meridian; establishing and determining the land use zoning classification of 35.35 acres
of land from RUT to R-8 (Medium Density Residential)(16.560 acres) and R-15 (Medium
High Density Residential)(18.794 acres) Zoning Districts in the Meridian City Code;
providing that copies of this ordinance shall be filed with the Ada County Assessor, the
Ada County Recorder, and the Idaho State Tax Commission, as required by law; and
providing for a summary of the ordinance; and providing for a waiver of the reading
rules; and providing an effective date.
Borton: Thank you, C.Jay. We have heard this ordinance read by title. Does anyone
wish to have it read in its entirety?
Milam: Mr. President?
Borton: Seeing none -- Mrs. Milam.
Milam: I move that we approve Ordinance No. 18-1770 with suspension of rules.
Little Roberts: Second.
Borton: It's been moved and seconded to approve Item 10-A, Ordinance No. 18-1770.
Mr. Clerk.
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Roll call: Borton, yea; Milam, yea; Cavener, yea; Palmer, absent; Little Roberts, yea;
Bernt, yea.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Item 11: Future Meeting Topics
Borton: Item No. 11, Future Meeting Topics. We have, obviously, a workshop -- some
good stuff coming on the 8th. One of the items we discussed -- I think it was last month
-- was the City Council election process and it sounds like it's going to be rolled out --
made known to citizens -- at least discussed somewhat in the Town Hall I think on May
9th with the idea of having a public hearing on the last Tuesday, May 22nd, and based
on what we get there we will decide what next steps we want to take, if any, but May
22nd looks to be the date to have a public hearing. Get some comment on the Council
election process.
Milam: Thank you very much.
Borton: You bet. We were going to see -- so, by next week I'm going to circulate some
of the compiled agenda topics and some proposed months that events might occur to
make sure we keep track of those. They will include the bi-annual Mayor's strategic
plan update. That will happen every February and September going forward. It will
include the quarterly update we are going to get, even in simple dashboard form, from
Police, Fire, and Parks on level of service performance, past data, and we may follow
up with discussions on that. We have -- and we will have a discussion on the recreation
district and opportunities of asset acquisition and -- and what that could mean for the
city, pros and cons. We will have discussions on the non-discrimination ordinance,
which has been discussed and raised -- will be presented. Right now it's -- it's slated for
August. That month may change. There will be a discussion on a clean indoor air
ordinance proposal and we have I think in May we also have some follow-up coming
back to us on the mechanics of a second post office in Meridian, what that entails and
what those steps would be, if viable at all. I think that's May -- might be May 8th as well.
But the Mayor's office has been getting some follow-up and specifics on how that's to
occur, if it's possible at all. It might be literally an Act of Congress, which may make it
impossible, but, none -the -less, at least we will get the rules of the road of how that could
be accomplished. There is some recent discussion that's been had on whether the city
would ever venture into providing some improvements to -- to non -city owned property
that might be owned by an HOA and kind of outparcel property that there may be
opportunities to clean up, talk about the policy considerations of whether we would want
to venture down that path and what that could mean financially, short term and long
term and -- that's a long list, but those are some of the -- the topics that have come up
most frequently to make sure we get a chance to address them. So, anything that
have missed that it's on the big list? Again, I will circulate this out kind of with a month
by month. I have talked about all these with the Mayor to make sure that any of the
ideas that we compile as a Council get a chance to be discussed, so -- anything I
missed, Council?
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Cavener: Mr. President?
Borton: Yes.
Cavener: You summarized I think a very heavy lift over the next few months and
appreciate you providing kind of a road map for us about where we are headed and
where we are going and it's very much appreciated to know that all of these items that
many of us have brought up are being thought of and considered and scheduled for us
to have the opportunity as a Council to answer and address. So, I appreciate that.
Borton: You're welcome. Thank you and -- and glad to make sure it happens.
Cavener: One side note --
Borton: Yes.
Cavener: -- for Council. There is a very interesting article in the Statesman about
growth in Meridian and a very charming and charismatic Council President is quoted in
that article. It is well worth taking the three and a half minutes to read it through. I think
Council Member Borton did a great job of summarizing how growth has impacted our
community and did a great job or representing our community.
Borton: Thank you, Mr. Cavener. I appreciate it. Two of the topics I have described we
are going to try and -- one a month would be a lot, so May is kind of taken up with the
Council election, so -- and, then, we have got some budget work in the summer. So, we
are going to sort of spread them throughout the next nine months, so I will circulate that
around. They are not set in stone, but it will keep it on everyone's radar, so thank you
for providing the input and ideas. Any other future meeting topics? Okay.
Little Roberts: Mr. President?
Borton: Mrs. Little Roberts.
Little Roberts: If we could just take a moment if anyone else has any information or
questions, I have gotten several questions regarding the Gowen flight potentially over
Meridian. If we have anything to weigh in on.
Borton: Mrs. Little Roberts, I got an e-mail similar to that and I had sent it off to Robert
in the Mayor's Office and said I hadn't heard and he said I have never heard of this as
well, so I don't know if anybody knows any specifics, but kind of the word I had sent out
was if somebody hears something substitutive share it with us and we will see what, if
anything, it is.
Little Roberts: Thank you.
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Borton: Yeah. Good questions. Anything else for the good of the order? If not, is there
a motion to adjourn?
Milam: So moved.
Little Roberts: Second.
Borton: It's been moved and seconded to adjourn. All those in favor say aye.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
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