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De Weerd: Yes.
Hoaglun: And And that was on the -- along the east boundary with those businesses that
abut the residential properties, that is restricted to closing -opening 6:00 to 11:00. is it
just those four buildings we see on the concept plan? There is one that's inset quite a
bit, but is it all the buildings along the east boundary that are restricted to that time?
Watters: Madam Mayor, Councilman Hoaglun, Councilmen, it would be all of those
buildings that are adjacent to that east boundary. The one that's inset probably not so
much, but the other three and the end tenant in that larger building would be subject to
those restricted hours.
Hoaglun: Okay. So, how far in does it make a difference? Distance does make a
difference in this case.
Watters: Yes.
Hoaglun: Okay. Thank you.
De Weerd: Okay. Anything ,further at this point? Okay. Would the applicant like to
make comment? The big gun is here.
Tumbuli: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, Mike and I are splitting duties
tonight.
De Weerd: Nice to have you here. If you will, please, state your name and address for
the record.
Turnbull: David Turnbull, 12601 West Explorer Drive, Boise, Idaho. I'll start by saying
it's nice to feel like a developer again. I remember Anna Canning calling me about this
time of the year in '08 or'09 and saying, you know, if you get a final plat in you could be
the only one for the year and so this year I think we are platting Spurwing Greens Two,
Three and Four and Paramount 18, 19, 20 and 21. So, things are happening again and
it feels better and, you know, there is a new vibe out there. I want to start by
acknowledging -- well, first thanking the staff for their presentation. I mentioned to Pete
tonight's my wife's 50th birthday, so I said if you could keep it short we — I'd like to get
home as early as possible. But we also appreciate the work the staffs put into this.
This has been a -- quite an extensive two year planning process that we have been
going through on this property. Also I want to acknowledge the team that we have here.
We have had three engineers firms, HDR, Horacks, and Keller working on this project in
various capacities, along with The Land Group, and here with us tonight, of course, in
addition to Mike Wardle we have Matt Smith and Craig Hilbig from our company. So,
like I said, this has been a two year planning effort. We have had to consider things like
access and circulation. We have had to deal with 404 permits with the Corps of
Engineers and Nampa -Meridian Irrigation District. We have looked at buildings of
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potential development layouts, we have visited numerous out-of-state developments to
see what's working and what's not working and our priority has always been to create
something that's going to be a positive addition to the city and at the same time having
the maximum chance for success. It takes into consideration unique features and
location of this area and I just want to stress, as I think Sonya has mentioned, our
commitment to the design standards included in the Ten Mile interchange specific area
plan, I think that those architectural elements are -- are the thing that's going to make
this a nice addition to the city. We concur with the staff report and their analysis and the
Planning and Zooming Commission's recommendations. They asked us to make some
revisions and we have done those. Mike, I don't know if you booted up the — the
updated plan here that we submitted after the Commission hearing, but -- do you know
how to work this or — Sonya, do you have that one, the one that we submitted? Okay.
Back one. There we go. Okay. So, this includes the roundabout. Now, you know,
there is a lot of things that changed between the time that the plan was conceived and
the actual engineering for the interchange was done. The elevation, the grade coming
over that interchange was extended for an underpass going under the road where you
can see the primary access was moved significantly to the north, which kind of skews
the road coming in. We had numerous discussions with Mr. Shekari, we are happy to
have further discussions, but as of the time we made this application we couldn't get
any concurrence with him, so we are happy to reengage, but needing to move forward
we have a plan. that we think we would work through with ACHD with city, staff and,
then, through your Planning Commission and we think that it represents this type of
quality that this development needs. We had significant neighborhood involvement
with primarily people to the east, the Primrose neighborhood. We had a general
neighborhood meeting inviting all the surrounding property owners and that was held at
the Ten Mile Christian Church there at Ten Mile and Franklin. We have — and that was
on May 31st. And at Mike Wardle's instigation and also the request of the Primrose
neighbors, we had a meeting in the Atwood home that backs up to the -- to our eastern
boundary where a significant number of the neighbors came out and the major points of
discussion was a buffer on the easterly boundary which we have addressed and I think
you have in the application a section that shows a significant landscaping buffer that
would be in place on the eastern property when we get to phase two. The status of
Verbena -- now that's a right of way -- Verbena is a street that comes through their
neighborhood and there is a right of way that extends through to our property. Of
course, you know, as I can attest on the street I live on if I called a pizza company and
asked them to deliver to my address oftentimes they come through a neighborhood that
is to the east of me and they can't get through and so these neighbors were, obviously,
concerned about anybody wanting to get to a business on Verbena — and I guess I
should back up. The street naming committee requested that the -- our east -west
street, because it's in general alignment, be made Verbena and that caused a creat
um for those neighbors. So, we submitted — resubmitted for a waiver of
it tentatively approved the name of Perdham for that street and we would
asK Tor ine uny uouncirs concurrence on tnat. i hat wouia nelp quell the concerns of
the neighbors to the east. The other points of discussion with them was their own
desire to have any multi -family relocated so that it wasn't abutting their property and we
have taken care of those concerns. Mike Wardle has outlined some outstanding issues
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Da aAkhw Mr. Bird.
Bird: I move that we approve CPAM 12-001 and to include all staff, applicant, and
public testimony. �`iZ
2enba: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to approve Item 8-H. Any discussion from
Council?
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: Bill, to leave the drain open, that is in the PP, isn't it? It wouldn't be in this?
Would it be in the PP?
Nary: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, I think on one that could be in the
annexation because there is a DA.
Bird: Oh, the --
Nary: Yeah. There is a DA with that, so --
De Weerd: Okay. Any discussion from Council? I would just make a comment. You
know, 1 appreciate the testimony by Mr. Chappell and there was a lot of work and
participation in this Ten Mile area specific plan. A lot of that participation was by
Brighton Company and who knows probably better than most what the design criteria is
and I think that where there is confidence from this Council -- and I don't know how they
are going to vote. I can only anticipate. But they have been a quality developer in this
community and they have certainly upped the ante in the development that they have
done and have led -- I think been a contributor to the community and the community we
have become. So, I do have confidence that they will develop this in the manner and
the vision that was anticipated. It looks a little bit different than the blue and brown and
yellow with all that red, but it is a little bit different market and I have full confidence in
the design and quality they will bring to that area. But I appreciate your comments.
Hoaglun: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: I just want to comment on that as well. I thought Ralph brought up a very
valid point and, you know, I will be disappointed if once this is all said and done that the
vision doesn't remain, that if it gets changed completely -- at the same time you weigh
that against what the market will -- will bring forth and can support. In many ways I see
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this development as helping be the springboard for the other parts to be accomplished
as laid out. But at the same time I'm not naive enough to think that there still won't be
further tweaks as we go along. Really, if I had my dream here, I would love to see a
Boise Hawks stadium going right there, right along the freeway, great access, the whole
bit. But they didn't come through with that, so --
De Weerd: Well, maybe the property to the north.
Hoaglun: Maybe the property to the north. I have hope. So, you know, it's one of those
things you have to work within what — what people are willing to do and how to do it,
but, yeah, I would be disappointed if all that time and effort that laid out here and it looks
good on paper, doesn't come to fruition and — but there will be further tweaks, but I think
-- I hope -- I hope that in the end what staff worked so diligently on and the Council and
Mayor put a lot of time and effort into comes forth, so -- and the only other comment I
have overall is the fact that when I sit in my third story office in the City of Boise and I
look out on the first floor building below me and look at all that ugly duct work there is
nothing I can do about it and it's kind of difficult when one area is higher than another,
you're going to see what you're going to see and it's very difficult to disguise that, so --
and I know when you go up Glenwood and Fred Meyers is down there, you can get —
you see the -- it's cost prohibitive to do something different. So, while it would be nice
green to have, but I --.let design review work on the.other stuff from ground level..
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: As long as we are commenting, I think that David and his staff have brought
forward a very very good project and I can't thank — and I know you feel the same way
about this. I can't thank Eric and his group for ten years ago getting this started. They
are the ones that come in here and got us really believing in what could be done here
and stuff and David has taken farther along with it and, Eric, I just appreciate what you
have done out there in that area for us and what you started for us. I certainly
remember it.
De Weerd: I think I remember Steve and you and I pouring over Powerpoint
presentations and tag teaming perhaps on occasion. I recall those days as well. And,
you know, I have on the public record the developer giving us his word on the quality
and so if I have to pull out those minutes i will. I don't think I will.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: Just a further philosophical comment. A lot of good work went into the Ten
Mile area plan and a lot of good thoughtful input from a lot of people, stakeholders and
others, and I participated in some of those meetings. Personally, my thinking was that
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the area that is proposed to be commercial probably should have been designated
commercial at that time, but I bowed to the people who were in the process and came
up with what they did. But I will say change -- changing this area to commercial fits a
little bit of my philosophy of how we deal with Meridian as the central city in this valley
and subject to all the traffic that passes through here. Instead of kicking about the traffic
I say we need to find ways to get them to stop and leave a few dollars here and you talk
about one of our major transportation corridors and now with the Ten Mile interchange, I
see this as' an excellent opportunity to enhance Meridian's ability to attract passers
through to actually stop and do something here. So, I'm clearly in favor of this.
De Weerd: And I will just note as well, since Mr. Turnbull had mentioned perhaps some
office — multi -story office, we will certainly work with them in any way we can to attract
users to that site that will bring additional value both to the development and to our
economic development. So, if there is no further discussion from Council, Madam
Clerk.
Roll Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, absent; Zaremba, yea; Hoaglun, yea.
De Weerd: All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
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Bird: I move we approve AZ 12-005 with staff, applicant, and public testimony, with the
provision that the drain stays uncovered.
Zaremba: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second on Item H. Mr. Bird, I think its not just the
drain, but there was a requirement that we believe that it's under the annexation on the
sign and the applicant agrees with the --
Bird: That — would the applicant testify that he and — to the plan of the staff. So, I
thought I covered that for --
De Weerd: I would like to offer maybe just one comment is on -- if the north -- property
to the north does not develop within five years or another partner doesn't step forward to
fund, that the surety shall be returned to the developer.
Bird: I agree with that and that's what was agreed upon
De Weerd: Well, I just added that language.
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Bird: Okay. I agree.
Zaremba: Second agrees.
De Weerd: Okay. Thank you. Any further discussion? Madai
Roll Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, absent; Zaremba, yea; Hoaglun
De Weerd: All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Bird:Ma—ftm it Wor-? —�
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I move we approve PP 12-003 and include all staff, applicant, and public
testimony.
Zaremba: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to approve Item 8-J. Madam Clerk, roll call,
please.
Roll Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, absent; Zaremba, yea; Hoaglun, yea.
De Weerd: All ayes. Motion carried.
CARRIED: THREE AYES. ONE ABSENT
mended onto the Agenda: Public Hearing Continued from
March 27,2012: AZ 11-003 King Property by Dexter King
Located at 1195 W. Overland Road Request: Annexation and
Zoning of 8 Acres of Land within an R-8 Zoning District
De Weerd: Item 8-K is amended to the agenda, which is a public hearing continued
from March 27th on AZ 11-003. The applicant has requested that this be continued to
November 6th, 2012. Council, do I have a motion?
Hoaglun: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: I move that we continue the public hearing on AZ 11-003 until November 6,
2012.