2015 01-15E IDIAN- MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING
I D AHO COMMISSION MEETING
AGENDA
City Council Chambers
33 E. Broadway Avenue, Meridian, Idaho
Thursday, January 15, 2015 at 6:00 p.m.
Roll -call Attendance
X Patrick Oliver X Rhonda McCarvel
X Scott Freeman X Joe Marshall
O Steven Yearsley - Chairman
2. Adoption of the Agenda Adopted
3. Consent Agenda Approved
A. Approve Minutes of January 6, 2015 Special Meeting
4. Action Items
A. Public Hearing Continued from December 4, 2014: RZ 14-007
Southridge Estates Subdivision by DBTV Southridge Farm,
LLC Located South of W. Overland Road Between S. Linder
Road and S. Ten Mile Road Request: Rezone of 3.05 Acres
from R-15 to TN -R; 1.67 Acres from R-4 to R-8; and 0.83 of an
acre from R-8 to R-4 Continued to February 5, 2015
B. Public Hearing Continued from December 4, 2014: PP 14-017
Southridge Estates Subdivision by DBTV Southridge Farm,
LLC Located South of W. Overland Road Between S. Linder
Road and S. Ten Mile Road Request: Preliminary Plat Approval
Consisting of 167 Single -Family Residential Building Lots and
329 Common/Other Lots on 48.56 Acres of Land in the R-4, R-8
and TN -R Zoning Districts Continued to February 5, 2015
C. Public Hearing: AZ 14-016 Nesting Swan Ranch by Blossom 1,
LLC Located 4617 and 4620 S. Martinel Lane Request:
Annexation and Zoning of 27.75 Acres of Land with an R-8
Zoning District Continued to February 5, 2015
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D. Public Hearing: PP 14-018 Nesting Swan Ranch by Blossom 1,
LLC Located 4617 and 4620 S. Martinel Lane Request:
Preliminary Plat Approval Consisting of Thirty -One (31)
Building Lots and Seven (7) Common / Other Lots on 10.37
Acres of Land in a Proposed R-8 Zoning District Continued to
February 5, 2015
E. Public Hearing: AZ 14-015 Granton Square Subdivision by
Granton Square Properties, LLC Located East Side of N.
Locust Grove Road and South of E. Ustick Road Request:
Annexation of Approximately 5.13 Acres from RUT in Ada
County to the R-8 (Medium Density Residential) Zoning District
Continued to February 5, 2015
F. Public Hearing: PP 14-019 Granton Square Subdivision by
Granton Square Properties, LLC Located East Side of N.
Locust Grove Road and South of E. Ustick Road Request:
Preliminary Plat Approval Consisting of Twenty -Nine (29)
Single Family Residential Lots and Six (6) Common Lots on
Approximately 4.81 Acres in the Proposed R-8 Zoning District
Continued to February 5, 2015
G. Public Hearing Continued and Renoticed from December 18,
2014: AZ 14-014 Sulamita Church by Architecture Northwest
Located Southwest Corner of W. Cherry Lane and N. Black Cat
Road: Annexation and Zoning of 9.76 Acres of Land with an R-
8 Zoning District Continued to February 5, 2015. Applicant
will correct a noticing error with the property posting signage
H. Public Hearing Continued and Renoticed from December 18,
2014: CUP 14-019 Sulamita Church by Architecture Northwest
Located Southwest Corner of W. Cherry Lane and N. Black Cat
Road Request: Conditional Use Permit Approval to Develop a
Church on Approximately 8.47 Acres in the Proposed R-8
Zoning District Continued to February 5, 2015. Applicant will
correct a noticing error with the property posting signage.
I. Public Hearing: MCU 14-006 Baltic Place by L.C. Development
Located 82 S. Baltic Place Request: Modification to the
Planned Development to Allow a Five -Foot Instead of Ten -Foot
Wide Interior Side Setback for Lot 5, Block 1 and 15 Feet
Instead of 20 Feet Between Buildings in a C -G Zoning District
Approved
J. Public Hearing: PP 14-020 Accommodations Subdivision by
Providence Management, LLC Located South Side of E. Falcon
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Drive and East of S. Eagle Road Request: Preliminary Plat
Approval Consisting of Fourteen (14) Single Family Residential
Lots and Three (3) Common Lots on Approximately 4.71 Acres
in the R-4 Zoning District Approved
Adjourned at 7:09 PM
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Meridian Planning and Zoning Meeting January 15 2015
Meeting of the Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission of January 15, 2015, was
called to order at 6:00 p.m. by Vice -Chairman Patrick Oliver.
Present: Chairman Joe Marshall, Commissioner, Commissioner Scott Freeman,
Commissioner Patrick Oliver and Commissioner Rhonda McCarvel.
Members Absent: Steven Yearsley.
Others Present: Jacy Jones, Ted Baird, Sonya Watters Bill Parsons and Dean Willis.
Item 1: Roll -Call Attendance:
Roll -call
Steven Yearsley X Patrick Oliver
X Rhonda McCarvel X Scott Freeman
X Joe Marshall - Chairman
Oliver: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. At this time I'd like to call to order the
regularly scheduled meeting of the Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission for
January 15th, 2015. Let's begin with roll call.
Item 2: Adoption of the Agenda
Oliver: Thank you. Next we will begin with the adoption of the agenda. The first item
on the agenda is the adoption of the agenda. We have Items A, B, C, D, E and F, which
will be opened for the sole purpose of continuing these items to the regularly scheduled
meeting of January 15th. It will be opened solely for the purpose, so anyone here
tonight to testify to this particular application, we will not be taking testimony today.
Could I get a motion to adopt the agenda?
Marshall: Mr. Chair, I move that we adopt the agenda as modified
Oliver: I have a motion to adopt as modified. A second?
Freeman: Second.
Oliver: We have a second. We have a motion and a second. All in favor say aye.
Opposed say nay. Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Item 3: Consent Agenda
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A. Approve Minutes of January 6, 2015 Special Meeting
Oliver: We will move onto the Consent Agenda. Next item on the agenda is the
Consent Agenda and we have several items on the Consent Agenda. Do I have any
additions or corrections? Seeing none, could I get a motion to accept the Consent --
Consent Agenda?
Marshall: Mr. Chair, I move that we approve the Consent Agenda.
Oliver: I have a motion to approve. Do I have a second?
Freeman: Second.
Oliver: It's been moved and seconded to accept the Consent Agenda. All in favor say
aye. Opposed say nay. Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Oliver: Moving on to the agenda items for tonight. We are going to open up the
continuances. At this time I'd like to open up the public hearing for several items to be
considered continued. The sole purpose of continuing these items is to the regularly
scheduled meeting of January 15th. We have items -- starting with items on the agenda
Southridge Estates, RZ 14-007, PP 14-017, Nesting Swan, AZ --
Baird: Mr. Chair?
Oliver: Yes.
Baird: If I may interrupt. I would suggest that we open the first two items and, then,
hear from staff about the specifics with continuance and the actual date certain to which
it will be continued. So, let's start with those.
Item 4: Action Items
A. Public Hearing Continued from December 4, 2014: RZ 14-007
Southridge Estates Subdivision by DBTV Southridge Farm,
LLC Located South of W. Overland Road Between S. Linder
Road and S. Ten Mile Road Request: Rezone of 3.05 Acres
from R-15 to TN -R; 1.67 Acres from R-4 to R-8; and 0.83 of an
acre from R-8 to R-4
B. Public Hearing Continued from December 4, 2014: PP 14-017
Southridge Estates Subdivision by DBTV Southridge Farm,
LLC Located South of W. Overland Road Between S. Linder
Road and S. Ten Mile Road Request: Preliminary Plat Approval
Consisting of 167 Single -Family Residential Building Lots and
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329 Common/Other Lots on 48.56 Acres of Land in the R-4, R-8
and TN -R Zoning Districts
Oliver: Thank you. So, we will work with the Southridge Estates, RZ 14-007 and PP
14-017.
Watters: Chairman Oliver, the applicant for Southridge Estates Subdivision requests a
continuance to the February 5th Planning and Zoning Commission meeting for
additional time to complete the architectural guidelines for the development requested
by the Commission at the last meeting.
Oliver: Thank you. Is there any discussion?
Marshall: I would simply ask is the applicant here to address that at all? And that is
because of -- you said the architectural details? What are we --
Watters: Yes. The architectural design guidelines that were requested at the last
hearing.
Marshall: Thank you, Commissioner -- or Chairman.
Oliver: Is there any other discussion? Seeing none, could I get a motion?
Marshall: Mr. Chair --
Oliver: Mr. Commissioner.
Marshall: 4th; right?
Watters: February 5th.
Marshall: 5th. Geez. All right. Mr. Chair, I move that we continue Southridge Estates
Subdivision, RZ 14-007 and PP 14-017, to the regularly scheduled Planning and Zoning
Commission meeting for February 5th, 2015.
Oliver: We have a motion to continue Southridge Estates, RZ 14-007 and PP 14-017,
and move that to the February 5th agenda. Do I have a second?
McCarvel: Second.
Oliver: I have a motion and a second to move that to the February 5th agenda. All in
favor say aye. Opposed say nay. Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. ONE ABSENT.
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C. Public Hearing: AZ 14-016 Nesting Swan Ranch by Blossom 1,
LLC Located 4617 and 4620 S. Martinel Lane Request:
Annexation and Zoning of 27.75 Acres of Land with an R-8
Zoning District
D. Public Hearing: PP 14-018 Nesting Swan Ranch by Blossom 1,
LLC Located 4617 and 4620 S. Martinel Lane Request:
Preliminary Plat Approval Consisting of Thirty -One (31)
Building Lots and Seven (7) Common / Other Lots on 10.37
Acres of Land in a Proposed R-8 Zoning District
Oliver: Moving on to the next one. It would be Nesting Swan, AZ 14-016, PP 14-018,
for the purpose of discussion at this time, the sole purpose is to continue these -- both
items to our February 5th agenda as well. Do I have any discussion?
Watters: Chairman Oliver, Commissioners, the applicant requests a continuance, as
you said, to the February 5th meeting due to the site not being posted within the
required time frame.
Oliver: Commissioners, any questions?
Marshall: I would ask it is being noticed now with the appropriate February 5th?
Watters: That is correct. Yes.
Marshall: Thank you.
Oliver: Do I have anyone from Nesting Swan that would like to speak to this? Okay.
Seeing no one.
Marshall: Mr. Chair, I move that we continue Nesting Swan Ranch, AZ 14-016 and PP
14-018, to the February 5th regularly scheduled Planning and Zoning meeting.
Freeman: I second.
Oliver: Thank you. I have a motion and a second to move Nesting Swan, AZ 14-016
and PP 14-018 to the February 5th agenda. All in favor say aye. Opposed nay?
Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. ONE ABSENT.
E. Public Hearing: AZ 14-015 Granton Square Subdivision by
Granton Square Properties, LLC Located East Side of N.
Locust Grove Road and South of E. Ustick Road Request:
Annexation of Approximately 5.13 Acres from RUT in Ada
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County to the R-8 (Medium Density Residential) Zoning District
Continued to February 5, 2015
F. Public Hearing: PP 14-019 Granton Square Subdivision by
Granton Square Properties, LLC Located East Side of N.
Locust Grove Road and South of E. Ustick Road Request:
Preliminary Plat Approval Consisting of Twenty -Nine (29)
Single Family Residential Lots and Six (6) Common Lots on
Approximately 4.81 Acres in the Proposed R-8 Zoning District
Oliver: Finally, we are looking at the next item, which would be 4-E and F, that's
Granton Square, AZ 14-015 and PP 14-019, looking at, again, at a continuance for this
to the February 5th meeting. Any discussion?
Parsons: Members of the Commission, again, this item was also requested to be
continued to the February 5th hearing. The applicant is making some modifications to
the plan that we can anticipate a revised plat, so he needs some time to finalize his
design, so that we can actually get a staff report in front of you and discuss it at the
February 5th hearing.
Marshall: Mr. Chair?
Oliver: Go ahead.
Marshall: I have a question for staff. So, they believe they can get all of that
accomplished before the February 5th meeting?
Parsons: Mr. Chairman, Members of the Commission, Commissioner Marshall, I spoke
with the applicant this afternoon and I believe they are finalizing their plans and the
applicant is here to address any concerns or questions you may have as well.
Marshall: Mr. Chair, I don't have any questions for the applicant, but maybe they'd like
to address what it is they are changing.
Oliver: Would the applicant like to come forward and address -- please state your name
and your address for the record.
Clarno: My name is Randy Clarno and I'm the manager of Granton Square properties
and my address is 412 South 13th, Boise. There is some issues concerning access
and parking and some of these things came up over the holidays when people weren't
around to get answers at ACHD and other places, so we just didn't have enough time,
but we will be ready by the 5th without any problem.
Oliver: Thank you very much. Commissioners, any other questions?
Freeman: No.
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Oliver: No?
Clarno: Thanks.
Oliver: Thank you very much. Any other discussions, Commissioners?
Marshall: Mr. Chair, I move that we continue Granton Square Subdivision, AZ 14-015
and PP 14-019, to the regularly scheduled Planning and Zoning meeting for February
5th, 2015.
Freeman: Second.
Oliver: We have a motion and a second to move Granton Square, AZ 14-015 and PP
14-019, to the February 5th agenda. All in favor say aye. Opposed say nay. Motion
carries.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Oliver: Okay. Now, we are moving to the public hearing process. We will open each
item. We will have a staff report finding regarding how the item adheres to our
Comprehensive Plan and Uniform Development Code, with staff recommendations.
The applicant will come forward to present these -- their case for approval of their
application and respond to any staff comments. The applicant will have up to 15
minutes to do so. Any public testimony will then follow. There will be a sign-up sheet,
which I have in front of me now. Any person wishing to testify will come forward and will
be allowed three minutes to speak. If they are speaking for a large group, like an HOA,
there is a show of hands -- a show of hands that they are representing that group, they
will be given up to ten minutes. After each testimony has been heard, the applicant will
have the opportunity to respond to those and has another ten minutes to do so. Then
we will close the public hearing, the Commission will have an opportunity to discuss and
hopefully be able to make a recommendation to City Council at that point.
G. Public Hearing Continued and Renoticed from December 18,
2014: AZ 14-014 Sulamita Church by Architecture Northwest
Located Southwest Corner of W. Cherry Lane and N. Black Cat
Road: Annexation and Zoning of 9.76 Acres of Land with an R-
8 Zoning District Continued to February 5, 2015. Applicant will
correct a noticing error with the property posting signage
H. Public Hearing Continued and Renoticed from December 18,
2014: CUP 14-019 Sulamita Church by Architecture Northwest
Located Southwest Corner of W. Cherry Lane and N. Black Cat
Road Request: Conditional Use Permit Approval to Develop a
Church on Approximately 8.47 Acres in the Proposed R-8
Zoning District
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Oliver: So, we will now open the public hearing. At this time I would like to open the
public hearing for Item AZ 14-014 and CUP 14-019. Do I have someone speaking to
that?
Watters: Thank you, Chairman Oliver, Members of the Commission. The next
applications before you are a request for annexation and zoning and a conditional use
permit. This site consists of --
Baird: Mr. Chair? Sorry to interrupt. There is a possible issue with noticing that we
need to get on the record before we go any further with this matter. The matter was
originally scheduled for the regular meeting on December 18th of 2014. There was an
error in the mailed notice that gave the wrong address. So, we required that the
meeting be continued to tonight and that proper mailed notice be sent. An issue came
up today where the City Clerk's Office was contacted by a neighbor, who indicated that
the sign that was posted, another form of posting, the sign on the site was covered with
a black plastic bag and I went by this afternoon and verified that the bag is still on the
sign. So, I'd like to hear from the applicant or the applicant's representative about what
was going on with the sign, when the bag was put up, and we will take it from there. Mr.
Chair, if you would ask the applicant to come forward.
Oliver: If the applicant could come forward for both AZ 14-014 and PP 14-019.
Hatch: Good evening. Jeff Hatch representing Architecture Northwest. Our address is
224 16th Avenue South, Nampa, Idaho. 83651. The mailing error that you are
referencing -- if I'm not, you know, correct, was a press error, is that --
Baird: It was a -- no. It was a -- there are three forms of notice that are required for
each hearing. One is that the -- a notice get published in the paper and that was done
properly. The site needs to be posted with the date and time and certain information
and that was posted in advance of the hearing with the proper date. The third form, the
mailed notice that's mailed to residents within a 300 foot radius of the site, the initial
mailed notice contained an error that basically referred those people to a different site.
It didn't reference Black Cat and Cherry Lane, it referenced something on the other side
of town. So, somebody receiving that notice would have looked at it, said, oh, doesn't
matter to me, because it's not in my neighborhood, and thrown it away. So, that's why
we require -- the city went ahead and mailed another notice. We opened the hearing on
the 18th for anybody you saw the sign, got notice, and, then, anybody who was here
that night would have known to show up tonight. What I'm getting at is when -- when
was the sign -- when and why was the sign covered up, so --
Hatch: The sign was originally posted for the correct date that was noticed on the letter
that was issued. In contacting the city planner that we were working with, we were
notified that we did not have to repost the sign, because this was an error performed by
the city.
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Baird: That's correct. What concerns me is that a neighbor contacted the city and they
said that in advance of the hearing the sign was covered up with the plastic sign, so
they were watching the sign to see when that was going to -- you know, when the new
hearing date was going to be. The sign is -- even though the hearing date was
changed, the sign should have been per our code left up and visible and readable up
until the date of the hearing and it's my concern that it wasn't. I'm trying to confirm on
the record what date the sign was covered up. Do you know?
Hatch: I don't know what date the sign was covered up, but I do know that the date --
the sign had been covered up since the -- the prior one that it was actually dated for and
the reason for doing so was for clarity, so that people didn't know it had already past.
Baird: Yeah. It's unfortunate that that happened, because it produced just the opposite
result in the residents. We had somebody call up and say that they were told in
advance of the 18th don't bother coming, because it will be continued and, you know,
they covered up the sign. So, what I'm getting at is if we are not able to confirm that the
sign was clearly posted up until the evening of the hearing of the 18th, unfortunately, we
are going to have to continue this one more time, so we can get all three forms of notice
correct.
Hatch: That would be a question for the person who actually covered it.
Baird: Can you find that out and let us know?
Hatch: Yeah.
Oliver: Commissioners, do you have any questions?
Freeman: Not yet. I think we need to wait to see if we have more information on when
the sign was covered and, then, figure out what to do.
Marshall: It is rather unfortunate.
Freeman: Yeah.
Hatch: Apologize for the back and forth. In talking with the representative who covered
the sign per the verbiage in -- in the -- in city code, it requests that the sign be covered
after three days after the hearing meeting. So, in talking to them they said that they did
that per the suggestions of the city. So, it would have been covered on the 21st.
Baird: It sounds like there has been some miscommunication. I don't want to turn this
into an evidentiary hearing, but I have got a neighbor who says it was covered up before
the hearing.
Hatch: Do you have any documentation for that?
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Baird: Maybe we could -- Mr. Chair, can we entertain -- if the -- if Mr. Law is willing to
come forward and tell me what -- is Mr. Law here today? Sorry to turn this into a
hearing, but we -- this is important stuff. If somebody didn't get the proper notice, we
got to do it right, so --
Law: Okay. You guys are out of line, I'm going to tell you that first.
Baird: Sir, if you could give you name and address.
Law: My name is Brent Law. I reside at 40888 West Cherry Lane. I'm right across the
street from this property. I am in Meridian. The intent of my phone call today was not to
have this happen. I simply called because I wanted to find out for sure if this piece of
property was still in the agenda for tonight. Because of the confusion at the last
meeting I didn't know for sure whether to show up tonight to hear what was going on or
not. I'm not opposed to the meeting or opposed to the -- the sign being covered or
anything else. I was simply doing it out of information to find out is this on the agenda
tonight or not. So, if it created -- if it was wrong for the way they did it, I didn't mean to
do that to them, but at the same time I was simply questioning why was -- you know,
was the sign covered, because we were kind of concerned -- that's how we found out
last time the meeting that was taken off the agenda. Last time we saw the sign get
covered, because we called -- there was actually another neighbor there who called the
planning and zoning or you guys -- called somebody and found out that it had been
taken off the agenda. He then called me and told me, hey, there is no point in going
tonight, because it's been taken off the agenda and we just assumed that means it's off
the agenda until -- there is probably a new posting of the sign. Well, then, we did
receive the notice that it was put back on today's agenda, but because the sign was still
covered we are like, wait a minute, so is it on tonight or not. That's the only reason we
made the phone call was to find out for sure and I didn't -- you know, I knew it was some
kind of regulation as far as the sign being covered or not, but that really didn't make any
difference to me, I was simply questioning is it still on the agenda tonight. That was all I
was trying to find out. So, if it created a legal problem, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to, but at
the same time I wanted to know whether to come to the meeting or not, so -- any
questions or anything? Did anybody --
Freeman: Not from me. That clarifies for me. Thanks.
Baird: I'm curious when did you believe that the sign was covered up? Or did you have
knowledge that it was --
Law: The sign was actually covered before the last meeting and the only reason we
know that is because that's how my neighbor -- he and I were talking and we walked
over and looked at the sign previous to the meeting, like, I don't know, probably a week
before and we actually walked over to the sign, looked at the date on it and everything
and then -- you know, because -- just to make sure of when it was so we could be here.
Well, a few days he noticed the sign was covered up. Now, to say it was three days,
four days -- I don't know. All I know is it was before the last meeting and that's how we
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knew -- he called in to find out why is the sign covered and that's when he was told that
it was taken off the agenda. So, we -- it was -- you know. And he called us the day of
the meeting. So, it's possible it was posted that day.
Baird: That's all the information I need. We can have Mr. Law sit down. Thank you.
And acknowledge that you weren't trying to cause trouble, I just wanted to find out what
-- what you knew and when you knew it.
Law: Yeah. Okay.
Baird: So, Mr. Chair, I'm not here to say who was right and who was wrong. There has,
obviously, been some confusion created as to when the sign was covered up. These
things aren't just esoteric things that -- that have to be followed just because it's in the
rules, there are possibly people out there who were confused by what happened who
aren't here tonight thinking that the sign was going to be reposted with the right -- right
date, even though that's not required, but the sign -- as far as the covering up,
unfortunately, there must have been some miscommunication to the applicant about
that, because this is the first time I had ever heard of the sign being covered with a
black plastic garbage bag. So, given that situation, with apologies to the applicant and
everyone here tonight who is here for the meeting, we have to renotice the hearing --
unfortunately that because of what happened with the sign, the sign is going to have to
have anew hearing date put it on and the city will provide whatever additional notice is
necessary. So, what I would do at this point is find a meet -- a meeting date that we can
continue this, put that on the record, so that people here tonight can put that on their
calendars and be here and anybody else who was waiting, because of the situation with
the sign, they will get that notice and they can be here, too. So, apologies to everybody,
but that's the only way we can do it.
Oliver: So, taking -- having said that, staff, is there a date when --
Watters: Chairman Oliver, February 5th would be the next available Commission
meeting.
Marshall: I would ask, Mr. Chair, if I could.
Oliver: Yes.
Marshall: Question of staff. Does that provide us with enough time to notice this?
Watters: The -- Commissioner Marshall, it has been noticed correctly in the two other
forms of noticing. It's not required. However, I would strongly suggest the applicant
update the sign at this point and just put the February 5th date on it just to avoid further
confusion on this.
Baird: All we are looking for is clarity.
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Marshall: Just a sign patch. They don't have to redo the --
Baird: It looks like the applicant wants to be heard as well.
Oliver: Would you like to come back? Again, restate your name and address.
Hatch: Jeff Hatch representing Architecture Northwest. Address is 224 16th Avenue
South, Nampa, Idaho. 83686. The construction and procedure that we have performed
up to date has been mostly through phone call. So, to proceed properly and to make
sure that we follow the instructions properly, it would be very helpful if we could have
some kind of documentation as far as what we need to do to make sure that this goes
through properly, through the dialogue we just had it's still not very clear for us.
Baird: I'd ask you to -- Sonya, do you have time to meet with them after this or are you
presenting the next item as well?
Watters: I'm presenting the next item.
Baird: Okay.
Hatch: It can be just an e-mail or something.
Baird: Can you give them your contact information and follow up tomorrow?
Watters: Yes.
Baird: Appreciate it.
Hatch: Thank you very much. Appreciate your time
Freeman: Mr. Chair, in light of discussions regarding proper posting of this project, I
would move that we continue AZ 14-014 and CUP 14-019, Sulamita -- Sulamita Church
to the February 5th regularly scheduled Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, so
that it -- so that the sign can be properly posted for the appropriate amount of time.
Marshall: Second.
Oliver: It's been moved and seconded that we take and move Sulamita Church, AZ 14-
014 and CUP 14-019, to the February 5th meeting in order for them to repost. All in
favor say aye. Opposed say nay. Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Oliver: With that I had ten people testify -- who would want to testify to that. That we
will have to move to the February 5th meeting. Thank you, though, for coming in on
that. Okay.
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Baird: And, Mr. Chair, if I could just mention one thing. If there is anybody here tonight
who can't be here on the 5th, we are accepting written testimony up until the date of that
hearing, so send letters or e-mails to the city clerk and I apologize for the
inconvenience.
Public Hearing: MCU 14-006 Baltic Place by L.C. Development
Located 82 S. Baltic Place Request: Modification to the
Planned Development to Allow a Five -Foot Instead of Ten -Foot
Wide Interior Side Setback for Lot 5, Block 1 and 15 Feet
Instead of 20 Feet Between Buildings in a C -G Zoning District
Oliver: Okay. At this time we would like to move to Item I on the agenda, which is MCU
14-006, Baltic Place, by LC Development.
Watters: Thank you, Chairman Oliver, Members of the Commission. The next
application before you is a request for a conditional use permit modification. This site
consists of .14 of an acre of land, zoned C -G, located southeast of the South Baltic
Place and East Franklin Road intersection. There are existing offices to the west and
east and a parking lot to the north of this site, all zoned C -G, and contractor's yard to the
south, zoned I -L. In 2001 a conditional use permit, planned unit development, was
approved for a mixed use residential -commercial development for Baltic Place
Subdivision, which included the subject property. The applicant is requesting a
modification to that previously approved planned unit development for this site. At the
time the Council required ten foot interior side building setbacks on each of the
commercial lots, with a 20 foot separation between buildings. The applicant is
requesting a reduced interior side setback from ten feet to five feet per the site plan
here and a reduced separation between buildings from 20 feet to 15 feet for Lot 5, Block
1, Baltic Place Subdivision. The other lots around it are developed out, so it's just -- this
one doesn't show yet, but it has been built upon and this is the only lot we are talking
about here. The concept plan as shown there -- it was approved with the planned unit
development. On the left shows how the site was proposed to develop. A new site plan
on the right was submitted by the applicant with this application, which shows how Lot
5, Block 1, is proposed to develop with the modified setbacks and, again, the lot we are
talking about is this one right here on the left. The city code that was in effect in 2001
did not require minimum interior side setback in a C -G zone or a separation between
buildings. However, based on International Fire Code in effect at that time, the fire
department requested a greater setback and separation between buildings for fire
suppression and protection. The fire department has reviewed the applicant's request
and has determined the reduced setback and separation between buildings meets
current International Fire Code and does not object to the modification. Because the
fire department does not deem there to be a life safety issue with allowing the proposed
separation between buildings, staff is supportive of the proposed modification as
requested by the applicant. The application Shari Stiles, the applicant's representative,
has submitted written testimony in agreement with the staff report and staff is
recommending approval. Staff would stand for any questions Commission might have.
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Oliver: Commissioners, any questions?
Marshall: Not at this time.
Oliver: Seeing none, would the applicant like to come forward, please? State your
name and address for the record.
Stiles: Good evening. My name is Shari Stiles, I'm with Engineering Solutions, at 1029
North Rosario Street in Meridian. She did a fine job explaining what we are requesting.
Things have changed quite a bit since the initial planned development that had quite a
large apartment complex to the south, but that is now housed by the H.D. Fowler -- their
new corporate office and it had been rezoned industrial to the south and I'm just here if
you have any questions.
Oliver: Commissioners?
Freeman: I don't have any questions.
Oliver: Looks good. Thank you.
Stiles: Thank you.
Oliver: Looking at public testimony, you're the only one that was on here signed up.
So, is there anyone else in the audience that would like to come up and testify to this
applicant? No? Okay. At this time we see no one coming up, so we'd like to close the
public hearing.
Freeman: Mr. Chair, I move that we close the public hearing for MCU 14-006, Baltic
Place.
Marshall: I'll second that.
Oliver: I have a motion and a second to close MCU 14-006, Baltic Place. All in favor
say aye. Opposed say nay. Okay. Thank you.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Freeman: Mr. Chair?
Oliver: Yes.
Freeman: This seems pretty straight forward. It seems that we -- we required some
setbacks, because we didn't -- because of a code that is no longer requiring that fire
separation distance and the current codes allow this, the fire department is on board, no
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reason I can see to deny this. It's perfectly fine with me. That's all I have to say about
it.
Oliver: Thank you
Marshall: Mr. Chair, I'm just happy to see occasionally when code changes work in
favor for some people and I'm all for it.
Freeman: That is unusual.
McCarvel: Mr. Chairman, I move to approve file number MCU 14-006 as presented by
the staff report in the hearing date of January 15th, 2015.
Marshall: I'll second that.
Oliver: It's been moved and seconded to approve MCU 14-006. All in favor say aye.
Opposed say nay. That motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. ONE ABSENT.
J. Public Hearing: PP 14-020 Accommodations Subdivision by
Providence Management, LLC Located South Side of E. Falcon
Drive and East of S. Eagle Road Request: Preliminary Plat
Approval Consisting of Fourteen (14) Single Family Residential
Lots and Three (3) Common Lots on Approximately 4.71 Acres
in the R-4 Zoning District
Oliver: Thank you very much. Okay. Moving on to our last item on the agenda. If I can
find it. Item J. PP 14-020, Accommodations Subdivision by Providence Management,.
Parsons: Next item before you is the Accommodations Subdivision. It's a 4.7 acre
piece of property currently zoned R-4 in the city. It's currently surrounded by Ada
County parcel to the north, zoned RUT, and the Karmelle Subdivision that -- you acted
on that preliminary plat back in 2013. That's zoned R-4 as well. To the east we have
another Ada County piece that's RUT and on the south we have the Dartmoor
Subdivision, Ada County, that's R-1 in the county as well. And, then, to the left side of
this development we have a property that's undeveloped. It has a single family
residence and the rest of it is vacant and it's zoned R-8 within the city limits. You can
see here in the aerial that the site currently houses a single family residence. That will
be remaining with the proposed subdivision and the application will be required to hook
that home up to city infrastructure, sewer and water, moving forward and any lot that's
platted around there would have to be per the dimensional standards of the R-4 zone
and meet those setbacks as well. This property was annexed and preliminary platted in
2006 and that's why it's currently zoned R-4 within the city. In the downturn of the
economy this property went back to the bank, it went into foreclosure, or -- it was
purchased by folks that wanted to use the property for horse -- use it for horse property,
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single family residence. The applicant purchased the property and the home was never
hooked up to city utilities. So, at this time we are going to get it right and make sure it
does get hooked up. The subdivision before you this evening is fairly consistent -- is,
basically, identical to what was acted on or approved back in '06 -- 2006. So, the
preliminary plat that's before you tonight does consist of 14 single family detached
residential lots and three common lots. The proposed density for this development is
2.97 dwelling units to the acre. The surrounding properties and this property are
currently designated low density residential on the Comprehensive Plan, in which we
envision anywhere three units or less to the acre. So, the proposed subdivision this
evening does fall within the density parameters of the R-4 zone and also the low density
residential designation of the Comprehensive Plan. And as I mentioned earlier, it does
comport to the -- the same design that was approved in the city back in 2006.
Landscaping is minimal, because this site is under that four point -- or under that five
acre threshold the applicant doesn't really have to provide any open space or site
amenities, but the applicant has stated in their narrative -- and they are the developer of
the Karmelle Subdivision to the north, which did provide the two amenities and the ten
percent required open space. They are the same developer on this piece of ground and
this development will be rolled into their CC&Rs and HOA and they will both share open
space and amenities between each of the developments. So, it will be one HOA
governing both developments, as it was originally envisioned in 2006. The road layout
is, basically, a dead end cul-de-sac that meets the subdivision standards. It does not
exceed the 450 block length requirement and the intersecting street that it connects with
is East Falcon Drive and is designated a local street and it ties back into Eagle Road,
which provides the primary access within the area. If you looked at the aerial as well
you would notice that when the Karmelle Subdivision came in they also provided a local
street network that provided access to Victory Road. So, it's not at a dead end street,
there are second -- two means of access to this development, one to Eagle Road and
one to Victory. The applicant is proposing approximately .021 acres of open space,
which is approximately 4.5 percent, so there is some accommodations for that and,
again, the project to the north had ten percent, so we are getting probably ten -- 10.25
percent open space between both projects, which is consistent with the open space
requirements of the ordinance. Currently the property has a three rail fencing around it,
with barbed wire to contain the horses. Staff -- in my staff report I had mentioned that
the applicant would have to bring forth a fencing plan demonstrating compliance with
our fencing ordinance and if you look here on the landscape plan, you can see here that
they are bringing in sewer from Eagle Road across private property, so certainly have to
work with that adjacent neighbor on the west to provide the sewer connection into the
sub, but, then, they are platting basically a common lot over top of that sewer easement
and because the property to the west is already annexed and zoned into the city, staff is
recommending that they construct a micro path within that common lot. That way we
can at least -- although we are not requiring pedestrian -- or vehicular connectivity with
that parcel, we will still get some interconnectivity -- pedestrian interconnectivity moving
forward. Here are the proposed elevations for you. Again, this is very similar to what is
being constructed north of this site. Staff has recommended a condition in the staff
report that any future elevations in this development comply with these sample
elevations that are before you. A mix of materials includes stucco, rock, composite
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shingle roofing. You can see they are not your typical -- or your starter homes for the
area and it's pretty consistent to what's developed in the surrounding area. So, we --
based on the type of housing they are proposing, based on the lot sizes where they
actually exceed the minimum lot sizes of the R-4 district and because they are -- they
do fall within that low density range, staff is supportive of the plat before you and we are
recommending approval of that. Staff also received written testimony from the applicant
that they are also in agreement with all the conditions in the staff report and, then, this
morning I did receive some written testimony from Mike Stout, he's one of the adjacent
neighbors along the south boundary, and he had some concerns with the transition of
lot sizes adjacent to that -- to the property -- to his property on the south boundary, as I
mentioned to you earlier. There is one acre lots and I believe the smallest lot on that
south boundary is about 8,600 square feet and they increase from there. So, there are
five homes that buffer along those Ada County lots, but, again, in my presentation it is
low density, it is consistent to what was acted on and approved in 2006. Staff is
recommending approval of the project. And with that I would stand for any questions
you have.
Oliver: Thank you. Commissioners, do you have any questions?
Freeman: No.
Oliver: Okay. Seeing none, I'd like to invite the applicant to come forward, please.
State your name and address for the record.
Wonders: Good evening. Scott Wonders. JUB. 250 South Beechwood Avenue in
Boise. 83709. I'm here -- and I have Zach Evans with Zach Evans Development as
well here if you need to speak with him for anything. He's here and more than willing to
answer any questions you have. As Bill said, we are in full agreement with the staff
report and all the conditions of approval. This also -- Zach also was -- has been
building in Karmelle, he was the original developer of that. This was originally all of the
Harcourt Development that was approved back in 2006. After they completed Karmelle
last year -- I think it was last year or the year before, the property owner of this came to
him and asked if he would be interested in purchasing the property, so we kind of added
it in with the Karmelle Subdivision. Like Bill said, it will be a part of the HOA, it will be
sharing the same amenities. We will be adding this portion into the pressurized
irrigation system, so it will be fully -- have pressurized irrigation. We have met --
another item that we will need to work with is some of the gravity irrigation on the south
boundary, make sure that we still allow the properties adjacent to us to continue to get
their -- their gravity water, as well as being able to discharge their wastewater. So,
again, I'm here and Zach is here as well to answer any questions that you may have
and we will stand for any questions if you have any at this time.
Oliver: Commissioners, do you have any questions?
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Marshall: My only question is -- is on the sewer line coming in from Eagle and how far
that's gone in conjunction with the neighbor. It looks like you have identified an
easement through there?
Wonders: That is correct. Yeah. I'm glad you brought that up. Yeah. We worked with
the adjacent property owner. We actually have a recorded easement to grant -- he
granted us access for an easement for sewer and we are, basically, pulling it off of
Eagle Road. It, basically, aligns with what their original proposed development is and
so it was -- it looks specific and it actually is very specific to their proposed layout that
they had.
Marshall: So, my question, then, goes to -- the original layout also covered that piece of
property?
Wonders: Not with this development. This is a different application all together. Yes.
Marshall: Got you. It goes with their development. Got you.
Wonders: We just coordinated the sewer with them to make sure that if -- if and when
they ever develop that it adhered to their proposed layout that they were looking at
bringing and presenting.
Marshall: Thank you.
Wonders: Sure.
Oliver: Okay. If there is no other questions, we have some people signed up for
testimony. Start with Zach Evans. Would you like to come up? You don't have to.
Okay. Thank you. Moving on to Mr. Bob Aldridge. Please state your name and
address for the record, please.
Aldridge: Bob Aldridge, 3300 Falcon Drive. I am the property to the northwest of this --
on the -- one of the remaining five plus acre lots in that area and we have been here a
number of times before as we have continued to have development around me and I
have always said I wish the world would go away and leave me alone, but it didn't, so --
in this case my main concerns have always been, number one, quality of development
and we have -- I have been working with Karmelle that actually went very, very well. I
have lost some privacy, but I'm planting trees. So, that's the price of progress. In this
case part of what I would like to get on record is that ACHD still has not dealt with Eagle
Road south of Victory and we continue to have massive problems on that and they have
nothing in their agenda until something like 2021 for any real changes there. So, as a
practical matter, what's happening now with the traffic there and what's going to happen
is they are going to go out to the north. Because trying to get on Eagle Road -- I literally
don't go after 7:00 o'clock or wait -- after 7:00 o'clock unless it's 8:30 or after and
coming home I avoid it, because it's just a mess. But that's out of our control and I just
want to vent that again to ACHD. Other than that, if there is -- if there is going to be
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something there, I want it to be a quality situation and in the past they have worked well
with us. They worked very well on this irrigation problem, which is going to have to be
solved. I'm the only one right now taking water out of that, but this property and the
property to the west of this property -- both are still on that system and have to be dealt
with and so I have confidence we are going to be able to get that done. So, there are
some other issues that in Dartmoor that we have on the lot sizes and so forth. Those
don't directly affect me, so I will let them speak about those. But in terms of the general
project, I think it's much better than a lot of other things that could be in there, much
better than the thing that we fought to the west of this and it was turned down. So, I
would be in favor of the project.
Oliver: Thank you. Commissioners, any questions?
Freeman: No. Just a comment. Thank you for your thoughtful and informed testimony.
Appreciate that.
Oliver: Thank you. We have one more person signed up. Harold Krasinski.
Krasinski: Evening, Commissioners. I'm Harold Krasinski at 3475 East Falcon Drive.
We are the -- I guess I'm not sure where the -- the house on the east end of the cul-de-
sac, east side of this property. The only thing I want to make sure we get on record --
and 1 think, actually, Scott addressed it -- is we have flood irrigation and on the far
southeast corner of this subdivision -- well, thank you whoever that was. The far
southeast corner there is where our tail water would come down and go out and it goes
into a culvert approximately in the center of their east -west boundary there and just
have to have accommodations to be able to -- allow our water to be plumbed
underground into that discharge system and it looks like, as they survey, as it turns out
the previous property owners -- original property owners and ourselves, there was the
post and rail fence along that boundary there that was -- at least we were told it is
exactly on the property line. As it turns out it looks like it's actually a few feet on their
side of the property and I have spoken with them and it sounds like they are going to be
accommodating to make sure when it comes time to put their fencing in that we can
figure out a way to take our fence down. We do have horses, so we will have to
coordinate, make sure the existing fence comes down, then, we just have a smooth
transition between our boundary and their boundary. So, I think those are -- and I do
want to agree with Bob Aldridge about the traffic there. The way -- the way that
intersection at Eagle and Victory comes together it tapers down from the intersection
back to a county lane exactly at the entrance to East Falcon Drive. So, there is no turn
lanes there. Obviously, there is going to be more traffic and I guess hard to predict who
is going to go where from these two subdivisions. It's kind of a mess right now and it
will probably get worse, but that's I guess for ACHD. Those were the particular items I
wanted to make comment on and -- do you have any questions?
Oliver: Thank you. Commissioners?
Marshall: No, but thank you very much, sir.
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Oliver: Thank you.
Krasinski: Thank you for your time.
Oliver: That's all I have on our list for people who want to testify. Is there anyone else
that would like to come forward? Please come forward and state your name and
address.
Turner: Good evening. My name is Brady Turner. I live at 3628 South Caleb Place in
Meridian and this is my property right here. I'm opposed to this development as
presented for three reasons. The first is the transitional densities or the lack thereof.
The minimum lot size surrounding Dartmoor in the Kingsbridge Subdivision is 16,800
square feet, but that's across a 60 foot wide ditch. The lots directly to the Dartmoor
Subdivision are 22,200 square feet. All the lots adjacent to Dartmoor are also covenant
restricted to single story homes. The smallest three lots in this proposed subdivision at
8,844, 9,100 and 8,638 square feet respectively, are right here directly adjacent to my
property. We asked the applicant at their neighborhood meeting to increase the
transitional density directly adjacent to us by removing one lot, but our request was
denied by the applicant. We feel if they took one of the lots out of here and split it into
two lots, instead of three, that would create better transitional densities, it would result in
an average lot size of 13,000 square feet, slightly higher than the average lot size for
this subdivision, but still significantly smaller than those lots abutting Dartmoor division
and Kingsbridge. We believe it would be more appropriate to place the smallest lots on
the west side here where it is zoned as R-8, so we would have a flow of R-8 to R-4 to
RUT, creating a nice transitional flow of densities from R-8 to R-4 to RUT and we
believe the developer, by rearranging some of the lots on the east -- or the west side off
this development, could move one lot from the south border to the west border and
create a better transitional density. Second, the proposed development is uphill in
elevation from our land. We asked the applicant to covenant restrict the homes next to
us to single story homes to help mitigate the impact, but, again, the applicant refused,
stating that that housing choice would be driven by the market. This puts the building
style most directly -- directly impacting us in the hands of unknown third parties, with no
connection to this land or to our neighborhood. The lots in Dartmoor that were covenant
restricted had no problem selling the lots. In fact, people seemed to really like those
lots. We built our home over 20 years ago when all the land surrounding us were
agricultural. We moved to the country for open space and all that open space has
disappeared in the last ten years. We certainly understand the market driven forces
and we are not trying to stop this development, but, rather, make it more compatible
with where we live. All we ask is that the impact of the changes be lessened to a
greater degree. Through the ten to 15 public hearings where I have presented before
you, we have asked the city over the years -- the city has always encouraged
developers to work with the existing neighbors to attempt to resolve differences. We
believe our 20 years history here deserves a little respect and consideration. A third
concern is some lack of details in the application. The lowest portion of the
development, as Mr. Krasinski mentioned, is right here and the tail water from his
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property flows across this property, through a culvert, onto my property and, then, down
through and into our irrigation pond. There was no details in how this was going to be
remediated in the proposed development, so we would like to see some definitive plans
of how that's going to be handled. We cannot allow street water from the development
to be running into our irrigation system. Finally, I did not see any details for the
permanent fencing in the proposal. I would like to see those addressed before the
proposal would be approved. I thank you for your understanding of our concerns.
Oliver: Thank you. Commissioners, any questions?
Marshall: I do, Mr. Chair. Mr. Turner is it?
Turner: Yes.
Marshall: My question is -- so, you moved in 20 years ago and that was agricultural
land behind you or was it these five acre lots that --
Turner: Not the Falcon Estates Subdivision, but all to the west, which is now Tuscany,
and all of the east, which is all now Kingsbridge, to the south of us it was all agricultural
and certainly we know all the development that's occurred along Eagle Road north of
Victory between Victory and Overland with all of the business parks going in. All of that
was agricultural when we moved out there 20 years ago.
Marshall: Looking at this right now, though, it appears that area to the north of you
Turner: Uh-huh.
Marshall: -- at some point in time became large five acre lots?
Turner: It was large five acre lots when we purchased out there, yes.
Marshall: So, at that time when you moved in you had the small lot --
Turner: Yes.
Marshall: -- in a bunch of small lots against somebody's five acre parcel.
Turner: Yes. There was two houses abutting that five acre parcel. Now, what we are
seeing is four houses abutting my one acre parcel.
Marshall: Appreciate that. Thank you.
Turner: Uh-huh. You're welcome. Thank you for your time.
Oliver: Commissioners, any other questions? Could I have the applicant come back
up, please?
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Freeman: Do you have any others that --
Oliver: Oh. I should have said -- are there any other -- any other testimonies? Seeing
none --
Evans: Zach Evans. I live at 688 East Giant Saguaro, Meridian, Idaho. The neighbor
to the south of me did call me and talk to me about that. We are only working with 13 --
it's 14 lots, but we are only adding 13. So, cutting back on one of the lots would limit us
to 12 and with home prices and ground costs nowadays, it would really raise the cost of
this development and hurt the feasibility of the development and Karmelle, when we
built those, we built -- I think I built two -- two two stories out of 18 homes or 20 homes.
So, the majority of the homes I do build are single levels and I have a reputation for
building single levels. I did have a building partner in phase one and I don't know if I'm
going to do that again. I'd like to try to do this myself. We are also -- it's hard for us to
adjust the lot lines because of the -- where the sewer easement is located and how that
all works. So, to stretch and move those around would be difficult. Also I went and
looked on Google Earth and measured out like the closest we would be to any of those
homes would be 134 feet with our setbacks and where their homes are currently
located. Let's see if I got anything else here. There is no added traffic to the neighbors
to the south, because of the -- we are coming in off of Falcon or back onto Victory Road.
This piece could have been attached to another piece maybe and, then, the traffic
would have been coming through their subdivision and I think we may have helped
some of the Falcon people's traffic situation, because of the road that we put in that
goes to Victory. Any questions?
Oliver: Commissioners?
Freeman: Yeah. I have one. Could you -- it sounds like your neighbor to the east was
pretty clear on and comfortable with the drainage issue in the southeast corner. Your
neighbor to the south was a bit less clear. I wonder if you would address that a bit
more.
Evans: Okay. And I might have to defer to my engineer, but I think we will provide all
those details of that attachment and the drainage when we do our -- our engineering
work on the development.
Freeman: Yeah. If your engineer could maybe perhaps just elaborate on that.
Wonders: Sure. Again for the record, Scott Wonders, JUB, 250 South Beechwood in
Boise. Yeah. I just want to make sure we got it on the record that was one of the items
that we discussed at the neighborhood meeting that everyone seemed to have some
concern about, is that we wanted to make sure that we were able to provide Mr.
Krasinski ability to discharge his tail water and also continue the irrigation through there.
So, it's -- it's very simple. Everything falls from north to south, so we would be,
basically, picking it up in a near -- you know, in a pipe at the corner of Mr. Krasinski's
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property, taking it along the south boundary to the point where that -- there is another
pipe that exists there now that takes it to the south or southwest direction and we would
just be making that connection and it would be in an easement that would be dedicated
on the final plat that would grant those -- the continuance of that use and the ability to
maintain and get -- and maintain access to that, so --
Freeman: Thank you. It's at the preliminary plat stage and I understand it's way early
to be talking about details at this stage. We are just -- we are just considering the
preliminary plat. But I did want you to get on record that you thought about this, that
you don't see any reason why there is going to be issues that are going to be difficult to
overcome. You do have some conceptual idea of how you're going to deal with that.
That's what I was looking for and you have satisfied that curiosity. Thank you.
Wonders: Thank you.
Oliver: Commissioners, are there any questions?
McCarvel: Just one. I think the other concern was the fencing back there. Is that --
could that be something that adds to the privacy between those lots or what --
Wonders: Yeah. We had planned -- and I think it was in the staff report about the six
foot vinyl fence, similar -- or the same as what we did in Karmelle.
McCarvel: Thank you.
Oliver: Seeing no others -- okay. At this time could I get a motion to close the public
hearing for Item PP 14-020.
Marshall: So moved.
Freeman: Second.
Oliver: I have a motion and a second to close the PP 14-020. All in favor say aye.
Opposed say nay. Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Oliver: Okay. At this point that is all I have on my agenda. Is that correct?
Freeman: We are going to discuss this one, though.
Oliver: Oh, yes.
Marshall: Mr. Chair. I do worry about the traffic out on Eagle. We are growing. I worry
about the -- right now we need -- we need some new methods of funding some
additional infrastructure -- traffic infrastructure. I know this is an area that really needs
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addressed. We have got a number of them across the valley and in Meridian. I spent
some years on the traffic task force before it became the traffic committee and I know
there are a lot of hot spot concerns and I think we are getting a little more attention now
that ACHD has reorganized their priority system and we are getting a little better
attention than we used to get. A little more funding is coming west of the far east.
Again, though, I -- I don't see this as anything -- the traffic concerns aren't enough to --
to shut down development out here yet. I do think that it actually should help flag the
area. The more development we have the more it's going to be flagged. ACHD is not
going to do a darn thing out there until there is more development and that development
is going to come over time. I appreciate the fact that a couple of people that testified --
a couple of citizens testified that they very much approved of how the previous
development had built out, that it was attractive and a good neighbor and they have
worked well with them. I really, really like to hear developers get those kind of reviews
from their neighbors. That's awesome. I have to admit, you know, I feel sorry for
people that moved out into the rural area and want to maintain that style, but I'm afraid
growth is going to happen whether we address it or not, whether we have code for it
and this meets the code that we as a city developed over the last 20 years. We have
spent a lot of time, committees, hundreds, even thousands of people have worked on
these committees to develop a blueprint for us to move forward in development. This
meets that blueprint exactly as what was identified by those committees over years and
years of work and it still continues today and, unfortunately, development is going to
Continue to happen throughout the valley. You can move out way out in the middle of
nowhere, but eventually it's going to happen out there as well. This whole valley is
going to develop some day. I am personally for the project. I think the developer has
done a nice job trying to work with neighbors. It sound like it's going to be a very
positive project and I am for it.
Oliver: Thank you.
Freeman: Mr. Chair?
Oliver: Yes.
Freeman: I agree with Commissioner Marshall in that I -- I think this project as an
extension of the Karmelle Subdivision is a very appropriate use of this particular piece
of property. I do appreciate the developers reaching out to the surrounding neighbors
and neighbors getting feedback and that being considered. It doesn't mean that we are
going to have unanimous agreement and in this case we don't have unanimous
agreement. I know the neighbors to the south -- and do I want to acknowledge I also
got the letter from Rick and Michelle Stott, who also oppose it for similar reasons stated
by Mr. Turner when he testified. I did read through those things. I do understand the
concerns. I understand there is disappointment that there is going to be more density,
possibly even some more construction height than what would be desired, but I would
come back to reiterating what Commissioner Marshall said. For this zone this
developer is entirely within his right to -- to lay this out as -- as he has to take advantage
of his piece of -- his piece of property economically from a viability standpoint and it
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comes up ones in awhile that we have neighbors approach the Commission and ask,
well, could you at least limit a few of these lots to -- to one story, instead of two, and the
answer invariably is, no, we really don't have a mechanism to impose that sort of a
limitation on a developer in this case. An R-4 allows for two stories. There is -- there is
no compelling reason, even in this case, to -- to require otherwise. Given all of the
concerns that this developer has had to work with and the concerns of the neighbors, I
think overall you have done a very fine job of -- of proposing a good preliminary plat for
this -- for this piece of property. I am -- I am for the project. I think it makes sense. I
can understand the property owners to the south wishing that there were only three lots
bordering their property when they are going to get four, but, again, I can see why four
would be practical from the owner's standpoint and the owner does have a right to do
that, which I would support in this case. Looking at those homes, those are very nice
home designs that I saw. Not your starter homes. Most of what I saw was single level.
Again, we don't know whether any of those lots are going to be two level or not. Maybe
all of them will be. I don't doubt that. Maybe none of them will be. That's probably a
greater possibility. But given the distance that you have, the zone, I do agree that this is
a very good project for the transition. What you probably wouldn't want to see
transitioning from your RUT is a -- is a commercial zone and, obviously, we are not
going to -- we don't have that situation here. The R-4 is one of the more appropriate
zones for that transition. So, I'm in favor of the project. If I was making the motion I
would move to approve.
Oliver: Thank you. Commissioner McCarvel, can you -
McCarvel: Yeah. I agree. I'm -- I feel for the neighbors to the south with the lots the
way they have been designed, but I can also agree with the developer, it's hard with that
natural easement. I think he did give that a lot of thought of where to put those lots and,
you know, continuing to be a good neighbor and the strength of his current designs on
the single level, that's probably what's going to end up going there, although you can't
require it. It makes sense. Those are very nice looking homes.
Oliver: Thank you.
McCarvel: I agree.
Oliver: That said, could I get a motion?
McCarvel: Mr. Chairman, I move to recommend approval to the City Council of file
number PP 14-020 and presented by the staff report in the hearing date of January 15,
2015.
Marshall: Second.
Oliver: It's been moved and seconded that we accept PP 14-020 to the City Council.
All in favor say aye. Opposed say nay. Motion carries.
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MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Marshall: Mr. Chair.
Oliver: Commissioner Marshall.
Marshall: I move that we adjourn.
McCarvel: Second.
Oliver: All in favor say aye. Opposed say nay.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Oliver: The meeting is now closed.
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DATE: Januar,
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ITEM NUMBICh:,.1
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