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MEETING AGENDA
City Council Chambers
33 East Broadway Avenue
Meridian, Idaho
Tuesday, April 15, 2014 at 6:00 PM
1. Roll -Call Attendance
X David Zaremba X Joe Borton
X Charlie Rountree X Keith Bird
X Genesis Milam X Luke Cavener
X Mayor Tammy de Weerd
2. Pledge of Allegiance by Boy Scout Troop 280 Victory LDS Ward
3. Community Invocation by Larry Woodard w/ Ten Mile Christian Church
4. Adoption of the Agenda Adopted
5. Consent Agenda Approved (Pg 2-4)
A. Approval of April 8, 2014 City Council Regular Meeting Minutes
B. Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law for Approval: Public Hearing: PP 13-
042 Centre Point Square by Center Point Square, LLC Located West of N.
Eagle Road and South of E. Ustick Road Request: Preliminary Plat
Approval Consisting of Forty (40) Single -Family Buildable Lots and Four (4)
Common/Other Lots on Approximately 5.28 Acres of Land in an R-15
Zoning District
C. Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law for Approval: Public Hearing: MDA
13-025 Centre Point Square by Centre Point Square, LLC Located West of
N. Eagle Road and South of E. Ustick Road Request: Development
Agreement Modification to Change the Development Plan from Multi -Family
to Single Family
D. Final Order for Approval: FP 14-011 Paramount Subdivision No. 25 by
Brighton Investments, LLC Located West of N. Meridian Road and South of
Producer Drive, North of W. McMillan Road Request: Final Plat Approval
Consisting of Fifty (50) Single Family Residential Building Lots and One (1)
Common Lot on 9.17 Acres of Land in an R-8 Zoning District
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E. Development Agreement for Approval: MDA 13-018 Whitebark Subdivision
by Cindy K. Lewis Trust and T & M Holdings, LLC Located 2135 E. Amity
Road Request: Modification to the Development Agreement to Increase the
Number of Building Lots Allowed to Develop on the Site Consistent with
the Proposed Preliminary Plat
F. FP 14-010 McLinder Subdivision by TS Development Located 4650 N.
Linder Road and 1437 W. McMillan Road Request: Final Plat Approval
Consisting of Twenty -One (21) Building Lots and Two (2) Common/Other
Lots on 11.8 Acres of Land in an R-15 Zoning District
G. FP 14-014 Paramount Subdivision No. 26 by SCS Brighton, LLC Located
Northeast Corner of N. Linder Road and W. McMillan Road Intersection
Request: Thirty -Two (32) Building Lots and Two (2) Common/Other Lots on
8.39 Acres of Land in the R-8 Zoning District
H. Cooperative Agreement for Illumination/Lighting Along Meridian Road at
the Interstate 84 Meridian Road Interchange
I. Memorandum of Agreement with Bingham County Sheriffs Office for
Incident Tracking System and E -Citation Software
J. Approval of Sole Source Purchase for Kruger Disk Filter Media from
Kruger, Inc. for the Next Five Years; Estimated Yearly Costs for this
Equipment is $72,000.00
K. Recreational Pathway Easement Between Ada County Highway District and
the City of Meridian Regarding a Pathway Across ACHD's Park -and -Ride
Facility Located on Overland Road at Ten Mile Road
6. Community Items/Presentations
A. Public Works: Meridian Environmental Excellence Awards Presentation (Pg
4-7)
7. Items Moved From Consent Agenda None (Pg 7)
8. Action Items
A. Public Hearing: Proposed Summer 2014 Fee Schedule of the Meridian
Parks and Recreation Department (Pg 7-9)
B. Resolution No. 14-984: A Resolution Adopting the Summer 2014 Fee
Schedule of the Meridian Parks and Recreation Department; Authorizing
the Meridian Parks and Recreation Department to Collect Such Fees; and
Providing an Effective Date Approved (Pg 9)
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C. FP 14-015 Whitebark Subdivision No. 1 by T&M Holdings Located 2135 E.
Amity Road Request: Final Plat Consisting of Twenty -Nine (29) Building
Lots and Five (5) Common Lots on 10.54 Acres of Land in an R-4 Zoning
Districts
Continued to May 6, 2014 (Pg 9-10)
D. Public Hearing: AZ 14-002 Revolution Ridge by C13, LLC Located at 1100
W. Riodosa Drive Request: Annexation and Zoning of 20.39 Acres of Land
with an R-4 Zoning District Approved with Conditions (Pg 10-31)
E. Public Hearing: PP 13-040 Revolution Ridge Subdivision by C13, LLC
Located at 1100 W. Riodosa Drive Request: Preliminary Plat Consisting of
64 Single -Family Residential Building Lots and 5 Common Lots on 19.74
Acres of Land in a Proposed R-4 Zoning District Approved (Pg 10-31)
F. Public Hearing: PP 13-043 Summerwood Subdivision by Kent Pintus
Located at 4202 and 4052 W. Daphne Street Request: Preliminary Plat
Approval Consisting of Thirty (30) Single Family Residential Building Lots
and Four (4) Common/Other Lots on Ten (10) Acres of Land in an R-4
Zoning District Approved (Pg 31-34)
G. Public Hearing: AZ 14-003 Heritage Grove by Tucker Johnson Located
Northwest Corner of N. Locust Grove Road and E. Ustick Road Request:
Annexation of Approximately 1.49 Acres from RUT in Ada County to the R-
15 (Medium High Density Residential) Zoning District Approved (Pg 34-47)
H. Public Hearing: PP 14-001 Heritage Grove by Tucker Johnson Located
Northwest Corner of N. Locust Grove Road and E. Ustick Road Request:
Preliminary Plat Approval Consisting of 121 Single Family Residential Lots
and 19 Common Lots on Approximately 21.71 Acres in an Existing and
Proposed R-15 Zoning District Approved (Pg 34-47)
I. Public Hearing: PUD 14-001 Heritage Grove by Tucker Johnson Located
Northwest Corner of N. Locust Grove Road and E. Ustick Road Request:
Planned Unit Development to Modify the R-15 Dimensional Standards of
the Mew and Alley Loaded Lots to Allow for Exemplary Design Approved
(Pg 34-47)
J. Public Hearing: MDA 14-001 Heritage Grove by Tucker Johnson Located
Northwest Corner of N. Locust Grove Road and E. Ustick Road Request:
Development Agreement Modification to Change the Development Plan
from Multi -Family to Single Family Approved (Pg 34-47)
K. Public Hearing: TEC 14-004 Ambercreek by Trilogy Idaho Located
Southwest Corner of W. McMillan Road and N. Meridian Road Request: One
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(1) Year Time Extension on the Preliminary Plat in Order to Obtain the City
Engineer's Signature on Final Plat Continued to April 22, 2014 (Pg 47-58)
L. FP 14-012 Ambercreek No. 2 by Trilogy Idaho Located Southwest Corner of
W. McMillan Road and N. Meridian Road Request: Final Plat Approval
Consisting of Fifty -Four (54) Single Family Residential Building Lots and
Two (2) Common Lots on 10.58 Acres of Land in an R-8 Zoning District
Continued to April 22, 2014 (Pg 59)
9. Department Reports
A. Mayor's Office: Resolution No. 14-985: Re -Appointment of David Ballard to
Seat 1, JoAnn Bujarski to Seat 2 and Jack McGee to Seat 3 of the Meridian
Transportation Commission Approved (Pg 59-60)
B. Continued from April 8, 2014: Community Development: Review and
Approve City Roadway, Intersection, and Community Program Project
Priorities for 2014 Approved (Pg 60-68)
C. Community Development: Review Draft Downtown Street Cross-section
Master Plan (Pg 68-72)
10. Future Meeting Topics None (Pg 72-73)
Adjourned at 9:35 p.m.
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Meridian City Council April 15, 2014
A meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order at 6:00 p.m., Tuesday, April
15, 2014, by Mayor Tammy de Weerd.
Members Present: Mayor Tammy de Weerd, Keith Bird, Charlie Rountree, David
Zaremba, Genesis Milam, Joe Borton and Luke Cavener.
Others Present: Jaycee Holman, Ted Baird, Caleb Hood, Justin Lucas, Sonya Watters,
Bill Parsons, Justin Lucas, John Overton, Chris Amenn Mollie Mangerich, Patrick Dille,
Ryan McClure and Dean Willis.
Item 1: Roll -call Attendance:
Roll call.
X David Zaremba X Joe Borton
X Charlie Rountree X Keith Bird
X Genesis Milam X Luke Cavener
X Mayor Tammy de Weerd
De Weerd: Thank you for joining us this evening. It's 6:00 o'clock straight up. We will
go ahead and start our regular meeting. First I would like to welcome all of you. We
appreciate seeing people in our -- in our Council Chambers. So, thank you for joining
us this evening. For the record it is Tuesday, April 15th. It's 6:00 o'clock. We will start
with roll call attendance, Madam Clerk.
Item 2: Pledge of Allegiance by Boy Scout Troop 280 Victory LDS Ward
De Weerd: Item No. 2 is our Pledge of Allegiance. Tonight we are going to be led in
the pledge by Troop 380. They are with the Victory LDS Ward. I would invite them to
come forward and ask you all to rise.
(Pledge of Allegiance recited.)
De Weerd: Boys, can I invite you to take one of our City of Meridian pins and thank you
for leading us tonight.
Item 3: Community Invocation by Larry Woodard w/ Ten Mile Christian
Church
De Weerd: Okay. Item No. 3 is our community invocation and even though I don't have
a name here, I see Larry Woodard in our -- in the room. He's with Ten Mile Christian
Church. If you will all join us in the community invocation or take this as an opportunity
for a moment of reflection. Thank you for joining us, Larry.
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Woodard: Good evening. I see in the paper tonight that we are now the second largest
city in the state. So, I will pray a little more diligently.
Rountree: Please do.
De Weerd: We appreciate that.
Woodard: Our dear Heavenly Father, it's always good when we pause in our
deliberations and ask you for wisdom and guidance before we proceed. Just give the
Council and Mayor Tammy your wisdom tonight as they consider issues affecting our
growing community. We thank you for the blessings that have come to our town. We
thank you for the prayer breakfast last month and for the leadership present. It lifted the
-hearts of all who were present and we thank you for that. Tonight beyond just this
Council meeting, we ask for your guidance on our city staff, police, firemen, and EMTs.
We ask that you protect them and watch over them. We also ask for a blessing on our
school teachers and our youth workers in this community. We are anxious as a people
about the growing influence of pornography and drugs and how that impacts our
community. We just pray that you would keep us safe. Today we kick off the rebuilding
of the Meridian overpass and we are excited to see work commence on that project
and, again, we ask that the traveling public and workers be safe during the next couple
of years. In all things we give you thanks for blessing Meridian, our temporary home
here on earth, in Jesus' name, amen.
Item 4: Adoption of the Agenda
De Weerd: Thank you, Larry. Item No. 4 is adoption of the agenda.
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: A few notes for the agenda. Item 8-B, the resolution number is 14-984. Item
8-C is requested by the applicant to continue to May 6th, 2014. And Item 9-A, the
resolution number is 14-985. And with those annotations, Madam Mayor, I move we
approve the agenda.
Bird: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to approve the agenda as noted. All those in
favor say aye. All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Item 5: Consent Agenda
A. Approval of April 8, 2014 City Council Regular Meeting Minutes
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B. Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law for Approval: Public
Hearing: PP 13-042 Centre Point Square by Center Point
Square, LLC Located West of N. Eagle Road and South of E.
Ustick Road Request: Preliminary Plat Approval Consisting of
Forty (40) Single -Family Buildable Lots and Four (4)
Common/Other Lots on Approximately 5.28 Acres of Land in
an R-15 Zoning District
C. Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law for Approval: Public
Hearing: MDA 13-025 Centre Point Square by Centre Point
Square, LLC Located West of N. Eagle Road and South of E.
Ustick Road Request: Development Agreement Modification to
Change the Development Plan from Multi Family to Single
Family
D. Final Order for Approval: FP 14-011 Paramount Subdivision
No. 25 by Brighton Investments, LLC Located West of N.
Meridian Road and South of Producer Drive, North of W.
McMillan Road Request: Final Plat Approval Consisting of Fifty
(50) Single Family Residential Building Lots and One (1)
Common Lot on 9.17 Acres of Land in an R-8 Zoning District
E. Development Agreement for Approval: MDA 13-018 Whitebark
Subdivision by Cindy K. Lewis Trust and T & M Holdings, LLC
Located 2135 E. Amity Road Request: Modification to the
Development Agreement to Increase the Number of Building
Lots Allowed to Develop on the Site Consistent with the
Proposed Preliminary Plat
F. FP 14-010 McLinder Subdivision by TS Development Located
4650 N. Linder Road and 1437 W. McMillan Road Request:
Final Plat Approval Consisting of Twenty -One (21) Building
Lots and Two (2) Common/Other Lots on 11.8 Acres of Land in
an R-15 Zoning District
G. FP 14-014 Paramount Subdivision No. 26 by SCS Brighton,
LLC Located Northeast Corner of N. Linder Road and W.
McMillan Road Intersection Request: Thirty -Two (32) Building
Lots and Two (2) Common/Other Lots on 8.39 Acres of Land in
the R-8 Zoning District
H. Cooperative Agreement for Illumination/Lighting Along
Meridian Road at the Interstate 84 Meridian Road Interchange
I. Memorandum of Agreement with Bingham County Sheriffs
Office for Incident Tracking System and E -Citation Software
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J. Approval of Sole Source Purchase for Kruger Disk Filter Media
from Kruger, Inc. for the Next Five Years; Estimated Yearly
Costs for this Equipment is $72,000.00
K. Recreational Pathway Easement Between Ada County
Highway District and the City of Meridian Regarding a Pathway
Across ACHD's Park -and -Ride Facility Located on Overland
Road at Ten Mile Road
De Weerd: Item 5 is our Consent Agenda.
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: I move that we approve the Consent Agenda as published and authorize the
Clerk to attest and the Mayor to sign.
Bird: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to approve the Consent Agenda. If there is
no discussion, Madam Clerk, will you call roll.
Roll Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, yea; Zaremba, yea; Borton, yea; Milam, yea; Cavener,
yea.
De Weerd: All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Item 6: Community Items/Presentations
A. Public Works: Meridian Environmental Excellence Awards
Presentation
De Weerd: Item 6-A is under our community presentations and I will turn this over to
Mollie.
Mangerich: Thank you. I'm going to turn this around and, Madam Mayor, if I may ask
your help this evening in giving the annual environment -- City of Meridian
Environmental Excellent Award to a few of the individuals within our community. This is
an annual event that I always get very excited to do and, Madam Mayor, our awards are
over here. Good evening, everybody. I'm Mollie Mangerich and I'm your environmental
division manager here within the City of Meridian and I'm mighty proud to be able to
bring to you each year around Earth Day, which is April 22nd, to look back over the last
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12 months and look at all the wonderful activities that individuals, communities,
organizations have done within the City of Meridian that have taken an environmental or
stewardship focus to the activities within our own hometown. This evening I'd first like
to introduce Mr. Ron Kern. If you would, please, step up here by our Mayor and,
please, feel free to bring your wife if you would like. Or if she agrees. As I begin this --
Clint, would you, please, take that basket and start allowing people to pass it around.
Kind of like a church, except you don't have to put into it, you can take out what's in the
basket and it has relevance to the award that I'm here tonight to speak about. Ron Kern
is the owner of The Voice Master, one of Meridian's local businesses. I kind of want to
start with the back story as to how I met Ron. Our communications manager at the time
Natalie was continuing production of our very popular weekly video series what's new in
Meridian and you can find this on our city home page. It's great. And he took this -- as
- - -
she took her production outonsite andconductedit at local businesses and, then, she
met Mr. Kerns and she produced one of those sessions at your place of business. Well,
Natalie came back to the office and she said, Mollie, I think you need to meet with Mr.
Kerns. Natalie knew that I had been working on an educational graphics animation
about our wastewater utility. In fact, it was titled It Starts At Home: Understanding
Meridian's Wastewater Utilities. So, I needed a narrator. I needed a voice and I hadn't
a clue to know where to start looking. Well, I met with Ron and we had a great
conversation and he volunteered to help us out and as it turns out, in my very humble
opinion, he is the best professional voice I have had the opportunity to work with and
listen to. Ron volunteered his services for that wastewater educational animation and
repeated his offer again on our solid waste and recycling services animation and he's
even recording for us again this Thursday night on our City of Meridian water utility
graphic animation. Ron has volunteered his services in all these efforts and already the
graphic animation that I'm passing around in the basket this evening has already won a
regional award. I encourage you to go ahead and take a CD, share it with friends, play
it at home. It's really actually entertaining what we do with our wastewater water utility.
Ron, thank you for your generosity and your genuine interest in our city's environmental
efforts. Congratulations and if the Mayor would, please, read the award and present it
to Ron.
De Weerd: So, this 2013 Environmental Excellent Award presented to Ronald Kerns,
The Voice Master, is for volunteering his time, energy, and talent to make our
educational animation engaging and fun, insuring our first impression is always an
outstanding one and certainly Ron is not a stranger to this community, his contributions
certainly go far beyond this, but we would like to recognize him for your efforts in telling
our story. Thank you so much.
Kerns: Well, I should have brought my disk jockey voice. It's a blast working with
everybody and it's just a lot of fun. In high school they said that my silly voices and
always talking would never amount to anything. They stand corrected. Thank you very
much.
Mangerich: Our second award is near and dear to me, because we are giving it to Mr.
Elroy Huff, who is our city's tree arborist -- our arborist for the entire community. Elroy,
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would you, please, be kind enough to stand up here while I talk about you. Please bring
your family. Is this Edith your wife? Terrific. We are going to be showing some
PowerPoints as I talk and you will see some of the work and efforts that Elroy has done
wonderful things in our community. As our city arborist Elroy accomplishes things
regarding our urban forest. He works each year to expand our tree program. Last
year, you guys, he planted over 168 new trees in our parks, in our golf courses, and our
schools. Many of these plans and projects are done with the help of volunteers or scout
groups. Elroy acts upon educational opportunities and he really sees the benefit in
developing the study of cultivation and management of the urban trees in our
community. As a result of Elroy's work in Meridian we are able to maintain our Tree City
U.S.A. status and that's something that we are very proud of. Part of maintaining this
status involves organizing Arbor Day celebration events and he organizes and involves
- - hundreds of children in these efforts. Some of thesephotosdepict those efforts. Elroy
works to maintain our urban forest by impacting -- implementing a sustainable approach
by being -- he plants the right tree at the right spot. He practices integrated pest
management, which means reduction of pesticides and herbicides and he implements
correct watering practices and principals and supervises all the pruning efforts within
our city. We truly have good care and good hands in our urban forest. We are
appreciative. It's important to realize that trees -- one, they lower the ozone production
by blocking sunlight. Two, they lower temperatures on our surfaces that emit nitrogen
oxides and volatile organic compounds caused by asphalt and fuel tanks and buildings
and our tree canopy also effectively intercepts and filtrates particulate matter. Now, in
the Treasure Valley those are two of our major air pollutant concerns. In fact, ozone
and particulate matter are those two pollutants that trees, through research, have been
found the most effective in reducing. The work Elroy does for our urban forest
accomplishes these important tasks. Congratulations, Elroy, on receiving the City of
Meridian Environmental Excellence Award.
De Weerd: So, this is the 2013 Environmental Excellence Award presented to Elroy
Huff, our city arborist, for his leadership role in the health and future of our park trees,
street trees, and the urban forest and I would agree with the comments that Mollie
shared. Elroy is passionate about trees. He's a long time employee of the City of
Meridian and he has helped guide us to being a Tree U.S.A. City and that's been
something that we have long desired. So, thank you for all of your efforts, Elroy, and
congratulations.
Huff: I'm short winded. Just thank you all very much and to the Mayor and Council and
it's nice to be recognized by your peers and your friends. Thank you so much.
Mangerich: Our final recipient this evening is -- I'm proud to present the next
environmental excellence award to Macy Miller. Macy, would you, please, come up and
-- family in tow, please. And I believe we have a new one here. Thank you for bringing
her. Macy Miller sits on our city's Planning and Zoning Commission and is the
communications chair for the Idaho Chapter of the U.S. Green Building Council. She's
an architect who works locally, just right around the corner in fact with Johnson
Architects. She's LEED certified, which means that she knows how to design and
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construct energy efficient, water conserving buildings that use sustainable or green
resources and materials. Now, Macy wanted a place of her own without a big
burdensome mortgage, so she decided to build a tiny house from the ground up. You
know, she has been quoted as saying the idea of building a micro home came to her in
a dream in 2011 and she's doggedly pursued this vision ever since. Tiny homes, of
which you're seeing a picture of her home, are a growing trend in our housing choices.
She built her 196 square foot home by herself using reclaimed materials, energy
efficient appliances, and complete with a radiant floor heating, powered by ground
source heat. Macy shared with me that this house was built on a flat top trailer, made
with completely sustainable materials and do you know what the most expensive
amenity or appliance that she has that she installed in her house? It's her composting
toilet. Macy has been interviewed, filmed, and photos of her tiny home is featured
- worldwide, such as -- she has been on National Public Radio and been interviewed.
She's been a feature in the documentary Tiny, a story about small living and her story is
highlighted in magazines and social media from the United Kingdom all the way to
Australia. Congratulations, Macy, on your City of Meridian -- on the Meridian
Environmental Excellence Award.
De Weerd: And she also brought tiny with her. So, this is the 2013 Environmental
Excellence Award presented to Macy Miller for exemplifying sustainable design and
construction practices when building her tiny home, demonstrating one's life can be
enlarged by simply -- by living simply. So, congratulations, Macy.
Miller: I don't really have much to say. This is a very unexpected award. Thank you
guys very much. And thank you, Mollie. Thank you, Tammy. Appreciate it.
De Weerd: There is something about babies that you just can't resist. Congratulations
to all of our winners. This is what that passing generations -- something that we enjoy.
Our Idaho, our Meridian that we enjoy. We have a stewardship responsibility and all
three of these individuals that were recognized today are playing an important and
integral role in the future of our community. So, heartfelt thanks to each of you and
congratulations.
Item 7: Items Moved From Consent Agenda
De Weerd: Okay. There were no items moved from the Consent Agenda.
Item 8: Action Items
A. Public Hearing: Proposed Summer 2014 Fee Schedule of the
Meridian Parks and Recreation Department
De Weerd: So, we will move straight to Item 8-A, which is a public hearing on our
summer 2014 fee schedule in our Parks and Recreation Department. Good evening,
Patrick.
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Dille: Good evening, Mayor, Members of the Council. Thank you for your time, as
always. We are pretty much finished up planning our summer activity season in the
Parks and Recreation Department and the activity guide will be published this Friday in
the Meridian Press and we think we have a successful docket of classes and camps
and events and sports that we typically do, with, obviously, some new added fees and
new added activities here. The new classes you can see before you were disseminated
to the public and notice of this hearing was given on March 31st and on April 7th of this
year and, please, look over the proposed new fees and, again, I thank you for your time
and I will stand for any questions.
De Weerd: Council, do you have any questions for Patrick?
Cavener: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Cavener.
Cavener: One quick question for you.
Dille: Yes, sir.
Cavener: The Discovery Africa that's being offered for free, it's amazing. Maybe you
can share a little bit more information about that.
Dille: Yeah. So, we were approached by one of -- an independent instructor, like we
are with most of our activities in the guide and he offered us a proposal and in the Parks
and Rec Department we take it amongst our recreational professionals and our director
and say what would you like to add and then -- so, we have all these proposals that
come before us and this one was there and it's just offering information on Africa and so
it was a -- it was a class that was proposed to us and we thought we would go with it for
the guide. The thing that's different about Meridian is that the continuing education type
of classes, like this one specifically, Discovering Africa, or things like soap making or
things like that, the outlet for it is the Parks and Rec Department. So, we get
approached with a lot of -- of those sorts of classes.
Cavener: Thank you.
Dille: Thank you.
De Weerd: Thank you. Anything further from Council? Thank you, Patrick.
Dille: You're welcome.
De Weerd: This is a public hearing. Is there anyone who would like offer testimony on
this fee schedule?
Cavener: Madam Mayor?
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De Weerd: Mr. Cavener.
Cavener: Seeing no public testimony, I move that we close the public hearing.
Bird: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing on Item 8-A. All
those in favor say aye. All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
B. Resolution No. 14-984: A Resolution Adopting the Summer
2014 Fee Schedule ofthe Meridian Parks and Recreation
Department; Authorizing the Meridian Parks and Recreation
Department to Collect Such Fees; and Providing an Effective
Date
Cavener: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Cavener.
Cavener: I move that we approve Resolution 14-984 and include all testimony.
Milam: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to approve the resolution on 8-B. Is there
any discussion from Council? Madam Clerk, will you call roll.
Roll Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, yea; Zaremba, yea; Borton, yea; Milam, yea; Cavener,
yea.
De Weerd: All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
C. FP 14-015 Whitebark Subdivision No. 1 by T&M Holdings
Located 2135 E. Amity Road Request: Final Plat Consisting of
Twenty -Nine (29) Building Lots and Five (5) Common Lots on
10.54 Acres of Land in an R-4 Zoning Districts
De Weerd: Item 8-C was requested to continue to May 6th. Council, do I have a
motion?
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
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Rountree: I move that we continue Item 8-C, FP 14-015 until May 6th, 2014.
Bird: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to continue Item 8-C to May 6th. All those in
favor say aye. All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
D. Public Hearing: AZ 14-002 Revolution Ridge by C13, LLC
Located at 1100 W. Riodosa Drive Request: Annexation and
- -- Zoning of 20.39 Acres of Land with an R-4 Zoning District
E. Public Hearing: PP 13-040 Revolution Ridge Subdivision by
C13, LLC Located at 1100 W. Riodosa Drive Request:
Preliminary Plat Consisting of 64 Single -Family Residential
Building Lots and 5 Common Lots on 19.74 Acres of Land in a
Proposed R-4 Zoning District
De Weerd: Item 8-D and E are public hearings on AZ 14-002 and PP 13-040. 1 will
open these two public hearings with staff comments, followed by the applicant, who will
have ten minutes to do his presentation and, then, we will have public testimony with
three minutes each. So, we will go ahead and start with our staff.
Watters: Thank you, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council. The first applications
before you tonight are a requested for annexation and zoning and a preliminary plat.
This site consists of 20.39 acres of land, currently zoned RUT in Ada County, and is
located at 1100 West Riodosa Drive. This land is currently platted as Lot 3, Block 3,
Kentucky Ridge Estates Subdivision. Their request is for annexation and zoning of
20.39 acres of land with an R-4 zoning district consistent with the low density residential
and future land use map designation for this site, which allows for densities up to three
dwelling units per acre. A preliminary plat is proposed as shown, consisting of 64 single
family residential building lots and five common area lots on 19.74 acres. The average
lot size within the proposed development is 9,400 square feet and the gross density is
3.2 units per acre. This plat is a revised plat. It is a little different than the one that was
originally submitted and that the staff report was written on, just to note. Access is
proposed via two stub streets from South Kentucky Way in Kentucky Ridge Subdivision.
That's this street right here. With an emergency access via West Victory Road right
here. Stub streets are proposed to the west and south for future extension and
interconnectivity. Five foot wide detached sidewalks are required along West Victory
Road and South Kentucky Way. In lieu of the sidewalk on the west side of Kentucky
Way, where the site fronts right here, the applicant is requesting Council allow the
sidewalk to be constructed on the east side of Kentucky Way instead from Victory to
Riodosa Drive intersection. Actually, it's a little bit north of the intersection. This is an
exhibit that the applicant brought with him tonight. This shows in blue for the
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requirement where the sidewalk would typically be and the green is where the applicant
is proposing at the request of the Kentucky Ridge Homeowners Association. ACHD has
approved this request contingent upon the city's approval. There is an existing home on
the site that is proposed to remain on Lot 14, Block 2, that is required to comply with the
building setbacks of the R-4 zoning district and it is located right here. The landscape
plan depicts street buffers along Victory Road and South Kentucky Way and open
space landscaping in accord with UDC standards. A minimum of ten percent or 1.97
acres of qualified open space is required to be provided within the development. The
applicant proposes a total of 1.98 acres of qualified open space, consisting of a 1.39
acre park, a parkway, and half the street buffer along West Victory Road and the full
street buffer along South Kentucky Way and a micropath emergency access connection
to Victory Road in compliance with this requirement. The application proposes a fitness
- -park thatwillfeature 1.3 acres of play area. That's the large -area -right -here.- Aneighth
mile long pathway around the perimeter of the park and nearly a dozen workout stations
as quality of life amenities in accord with UDC standards. The exhibit here on the right
does show the fitness equipment that is planned for that common area. The Sundial
Lateral crosses the southwest corner of the site right here. All ditches are required to
be piped, unless waived by Council. The applicant is requesting a waiver from Council
to allow the Sundial Lateral to remain open due to its large capacity, which the applicant
anticipates would require a 36 to 48 inch diameter pipe to the the lateral. A six foot tall
vinyl fence is proposed along the perimeter boundary of the subdivision. A five foot tall
wrought iron fence is proposed around the internal common areas in accord with UDC
standards. If the Sundial Lateral will not be approved -- improved as part of the
development to be a water amenity, the lateral is required to be fenced in accord with
UDC standards for ditches. The application has submitted conceptual building
elevations as shown for the future homes in this development. Because homes on lots
that back up to West Victory Road and South Kentucky Way will be highly visible, staff
recommends the rear or sides of the structures on these lots incorporate articulation
through changes in materials, color, modulation and our architectural elements,
horizontal and vertical, to break up monotonous wall plains and roof plains. The
Commission recommended approval of these applications. Jim Conger testified in favor
of the applicant -- application. No one testified in opposition. The following people
testified with comments. Norma Petty. Rick Fisch. Tamara Hamilton. Brenda Jones.
Christy Rye. Val Hill. Gordon Hamilton. These folks all spoke for several groups in the
audience that night. Alex McNish and Roberta Livesay. Written testimony was received
from Kevin Petty and Laren Bailey, the applicant's representative, in agree with the staff
report. Key issues of discussion by the Commission. They just noted that the applicant
should continue to work with the neighborhoods regarding their concerns about
connection to water and sewer, timing of construction of the fencing along the west
boundary. A construction entrance and expectations for contractors on the site. Key
Commission changes to the staff recommendation. They wanted to modify condition
1.1.1 13 to allow for bollards with a chain, instead of a gate for the emergency access
driveway off of Victory Road and they included the revised plat that was shown here
tonight and at their hearing as an exhibit and updated condition 1.1.2 accordingly.
Outstanding issues for City Council. There is only two. The first item staff requests a
new condition is added that requires a water main to be installed under the micro
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pathway in Lot 8, Block 3, and this is a new micropath that we had them add here at the
south boundary here. This main will connect into the water main being required in the
proposed Biltmore Subdivision to the south. And the next one is the applicant requests
approval to construct a sidewalk offsite along the east side of Kentucky Way, as I
previously mentioned, rather than the west side of Kentucky along the site's frontage.
Written testimony since the Commission hearing. We did receive a letter from Jim
Conger regarding that sidewalk and from the Kentucky Ridge Homeowners Association
also. Staff will stand for any questions the Mayor and Council may have.
De Weerd: Council, any questions?
Bird: Not at this time.
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes, Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: Does the requested change in sidewalk -- does that east side sidewalk
connect with an existing sidewalk?
Watters: Madam Mayor, Mr. Rountree, yes, it does. You can see here on this exhibit
the existing sidewalk that comes up from Riodosa. The applicant intends to connect to
that.
Rountree: Okay.
De Weerd: Madam Clerk, it seems like we received a number of e-mails and letters on
this and the names don't look familiar on this. Are they part of the record?
Holman: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, anything that we have gotten my
Deputy City Clerk would have put into the record, so I need to look at the packet real
quick and see.
De Weerd: Okay. Is the applicant here? Good evening. If you will, please, state your
name and address for the record.
Conger: Thank you, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council. Jim Conger, 1627 South
Orchard Street, Boise. First I would like to start out by thanking the City of Meridian
staff, as well as the coordinated efforts with the Ada County Highway District. It really --
this project took -- took both entities -- all projects take them, but this one in particular
took both entities working together. We had numerous meetings up front --
neighborhood meetings with -- not numerous with the neighborhood, but two or three
regarding the design aspects that you see today, along with your city, and that's what's
in front of you today and it was approved by the Planning and Zoning Commission, as
well as the Ada County Highway District. First, I'd like to take a moment to walk you
through our land plan. It is the replatting of Lot 3, Block 3, of the Kentucky Ridge
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Subdivision. This is phase two of the previous development that had stubbed two
roadways and utilities for this parcel -- for this parcel's future platting. The site plan was
designed with a goal to match or exceed the existing Kentucky Ridge neighborhood.
We are requesting, as you heard from Sonya, the matching zone of R-4, as well as the
lot sizes and widths are similar to Kentucky Ridge and comply with the R-4 zoning. This
project will have a great builder team anchored by Tahoe Homes and will be similar to
what you see in Carmelle and Spurwring Greens. The landscape design, to walk you
through that, has been thoughtfully planned and created to create this active use park
that is one and a half acres in size. This park will include the walking path,
approximately a dozen athletic stations, and we specifically located the mailbox portion
of that as well, hopefully, to get all people coming in and using these machines in an
exercising manner. The park was designed to appeal to the residents of all ages to
- promote anactivelifestyle and, hopefully, be an amenity that gets used on a daily basis
Next I'd like to discuss our waiver of not to the the Sundial Lateral. This existing lateral
is a great amenity for our residents, as well as for the wildlife. We are pretty passionate
this is a -- it's a great setting and will do nothing but enhance it -- we will plant, you
know, some additional natural grasses, as well as we will provide pressurized irrigation
into this area. The riparian area will be maintained by the homeowners association and
we aren't using this as part of our open space calculations, that's not the ploy here, it's
truly a great open amenity, very similar to the wildlife area we did at Woodbridge and we
did also in east Boise. Woodbridge, of course, in Meridian at Locust Grove. We have
done these before and we are very excited to use this as part of our -- part of our
neighborhood enhancement. We have met with Project Board of Control and
understand all requirements from both entities to make this a success. Next I will
discuss our ACHD approval and the roadways. Early in our neighborhood meetings we
did hear concerns of potential traffic and understand these concerns. We met early and
often with ACHD and ACHD proactively addressed these concerns as well. ACHD did
produce a traffic study. This project wasn't big enough to require one and I think it's
important to understand Kentucky Way, once we are at full build out, will be operating at
27 percent of capacity. So, it's well under engineered -- engineered and design
capacities. The final item I wanted to discuss tonight is, really, the sidewalk issue. If
Sonya would pull that up for us. What we had before our -- kind of after the Planning
and Zoning approval, but prior to ACHD approval, the neighbors came forth and -- and
requested that we relocated the sidewalk to the east side of Kentucky Way as you see,
which I will start calling the green line. Our requirement with ACHD and our
requirement with the City of Meridian is the blue line. The green line is approximately
40 percent more in cost, it's 40 percent more in quantity. We are very much acceptable
to -- to taking the burden of the additional cost, but it's a scenario of either you get the
green or you get the blue and through our highway district approval they have given us
and/or -- or an or approval, basically. Build the blue or build the green if the City of
Meridian will allow it. So, what we are doing -- I guess on behalf of the neighbors, on
behalf of ACHD and I guess ultimately on behalf of us, we are asking you to remove the
requirement of -- of the UDC, which requires adjacent sidewalk, which is the blue line
and you approve the green line. We are open to either approval. I guess we would all
prefer the green. And with that I will stand for any questions.
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De Weerd: Thank you. Council, any questions?
Bird: I have none, Mayor.
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: On the -- on the green line or the blue -- the green line in particular, is there
sufficient right of way to build that sidewalk and what are the standards to which you're
going to build that sidewalk if it's to be approved?
Conger: Yes. Madam Mayor, Council- Member Rountree, great question. That is a 50
foot right of way as it exists today. It will disrupt some landscaping inside that right of
way, but it will be -- be built to ACHD standards, which would be five foot. It will be
detached, so it will be I believe approximately nine foot of separation, if not a little bit
more to that sidewalk. It will be attached to the existing sidewalk to allow the pedestrian
to come out of Kentucky Ridge and get down to Victory where today they do not have
that option. That is the goal.
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Uh-huh.
Rountree: And you have indicated there is some landscaping to be disturbed.
assume that's the trees that are shown in the graphic. Are those to be replaced?
Conger: Madam Mayor, Council Member Rountree, no. The landscaping will be
disturbed will be sod only and they will restore around our sidewalk the trees. We have
gone to great length to preserve all these trees.
Rountree: Very good. Thank you.
De Weerd: Any other questions from Council at this point?
Rountree: Madam Mayor, there was a comment about the emergency approach onto
Victory, that it -- there is a request that it be bollard and a chain versus a gate. I read
that here somewhere.
Bird: Yeah. That's right.
Rountree: What's your comment -- that's your request.
Conger: Well, Madam Mayor, Council Member Rountree, that is not quite our -- our
request. It's actually your fire marshal. We -- we and the City of Meridian's planning
department had it as bollards, because it is an emergency, but first and foremost it's a
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pedestrian connection. The fire department was worried about bollards and wanted it
completely gated off and we struck a middle ground of a partial gate and still a very -- I
guess presentable opening for pedestrians.
Rountree: Thank you.
Conger: So, we have accommodated the fire department.
De Weerd: Okay. Anything further at this point? Thank you.
Conger: Thank you.
Watters: Madam Mayor, if I may real quick, add to the written testimony. I did miss a
couple of names that have submitted written testimony that is part of the record and
Council already has copies of these letters. I just wanted to make that clear to anybody
that didn't hear their name. I did receive a letter from Kimberly Hollingsworth and also
Curtis Hoagland that I failed to mention, so -- just for the record.
De Weerd: Thank you. Okay. This is the public hearing portion. I do have a name on
the sign-up sheet. Tamara Hamilton signed up as neutral. Good evening.
Hamilton: Good evening.
De Weerd: If you will, please, state your name and address for the record.
Hamilton: My name is Tamara Hamilton. I live at 3496 South Arcaro.
De Weerd: Thank you.
Hamilton: Okay. What I would like to discuss is more of a totality view. We have not
only this subdivision coming in, but very shortly we will have another subdivision to the
south and both subdivisions are planning to use Kentucky Way as their main entrance
and exit, which will mean that we will not only have the residence that currently reside in
Kentucky Ridge of 66, but in Revolution Ridge 64 and to Biltmore Estates 159 and a
possible residual traffic from the subdivision to the east of us along Meridian Road
called Meridian Heights.
Baird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: I'm sorry. Mr. Baird.
Baird: Apologies for interrupting the testimony. I just wanted to remind both City
Council and the presenter that this is a public hearing solely on the application that's
before the City Council and I'm not going to tell you what you can or cannot testify, but I
thought you should know before you make your testimony that all that will be considered
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for tonight's decision is the pending application. And, Madam Mayor, from my previous
experience with Planning and Zoning, I believe this person is representing the HOA --
Hamilton: I am. Thank you.
De Weerd: Okay. You have some more time.
Hamilton: Okay. Thank you.
Baird: There you go. And you can deduct my interruption. Thank you very much.
De Weerd: Thank you, Ted.
Hamilton: I felt it did have bearing to mention the upcoming subdivision to the south
and that's why I mentioned it.
De Weerd: Thank you.
Hamilton: So, it produces more traffic along our park, which is more of a triangle shape.
So, it would be two of the three sides that border our park with increased traffic along
those. We do have five school buses that stop in our subdivision during peak hours.
There are eight driveways on Kentucky Way and ten driveways that would be impacted
on Blue Downs and Riodosa by Revolution Ridge residents. Right now Kentucky Way
is very narrow, it's at 29, which I believe is the lowest acceptable width for a
neighborhood collector. And we want to thank Mr. Conger for coming to the table with
changing the sidewalk location to the east side, which I believe will be a little bit more
accessible for all the residents. However, there is a no curb and gutter or sidewalk or
bike lanes at this time. Right now we would really appreciate the consideration of
adding another road onto Kentucky Way, which would help decrease all of these issues
that we have and I have drawn up a rendering of a possibility for a new road coming in
off of Kentucky Way and shown an arrow to the existing road. It has been mentioned
that the grade is significantly different from Kentucky Way onto the land being proposed
and right now we do have a cul-de-sac that has a significant grade as well and it has
been adapted. Just to briefly show the area of the bus stop and the two views of -- or
the two roadways that would impact our park area. Riodosa is on the left and Kentucky
Way is on the right side as you're looking north. We would like to increase our park
safety, create an alternate route for traffic during bus stops and increase our safety for
existing driveways.
De Weerd: Sorry.
Hamilton: That's okay. We feel that since both of the developers would be using
Kentucky Way as their main entrance that the existing road could be updated to allow
for a better capacity. Mr. Conger did come to the ACHD meeting with his idea of going
ahead and putting the sidewalk next to the east side of Kentucky Way, but because of
the cost restraints has decided -- or I believe reconsidered putting curb and gutter that
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would attach the sidewalk. We feel like both developers should share the cost in
updating it to today's standards. Also Mr. Conger agreed to make our irrigation water
available to our subdivision and, then, we will take it from there and possibly share costs
on a pump house. So, we also appreciate that. Our next proposal is -- it kind of goes
along with -- with updating the sidewalk and the road itself. It would support possibly
our children walking to a future Meridian middle school, which is going to be on the
ballot I believe in May and it will also promote Meridian's commitment to healthy living
and create a safer access to Bear Creek Park. Because we do not have a sidewalk on
Victory that is a very dangerous -- even though it's short, is a dangerous area to get to
Stoddard. I'd also like to propose -- I went to the meeting last week for ACHD and
understand that Kentucky Way is not deemed as a mid mile collector at this time, but I
believe that it is in close proximity to being utilized as a mid mile collector and I feel like
there is very ---quite a few -differences -between Kentucky Way and Stoddard. For
instance, we have eight homes on the driveway. Stoddard does not. We have a 25
mile an hour speed limit. Stoddard has a 40 mile an hour speed limit. We have a two
lane wide road. Stoddard has a three lane wide road. Let me show you the picture,
too. We don't have a buffer for our park. It's pretty close to the sidewalk and we also
have our -- our bus stop, which is within the -- the subdivision. That could change with
a middle school going in off of Stoddard to the west behind the current subdivision that
is being built near the church. We also want to comment on the fact that there will be
commercial building in the future at Meridian Road and Amity and if you will look at this
picture, Harris Street is the very southern point of Meridian Heights Subdivision and
connected -- can connect to Kentucky Way at the future build out in the near future. So,
we are concerned about the idea of people utilizing Kentucky Way as a mid mile
collector when it's not very adequate for that use. As I mentioned I went to the ACHD
meeting and they were impressed with the idea. I would like to avoid using Kentucky
Way as a mid mile collector. Like Stoddard we will need a true mid mile collector and I
believe that there will just be more commercial property developed in the near future at
the intersection of Amity and Meridian Road. We do have the opportunity right now to
plan, because Kentucky Ridge Estates is surrounded by farmland. Here is my -- my
proposal. We have Mr. Petty's property, which is highlighted in the purple, in
conjunction with Revolution Ridge outlined in purple. We have Meridian Heights Water -
Sewer District property if blue. We have Mr. Hansen's property is red. And, then, we
have Biltmore Estates, which is to the south. And if you will look toward the right-hand
side underneath Harris Street, that is where the new commercial development is being
proposed. We would also like to encourage one neighborhood -- as you mentioned this
was originally regarded as a second portion of Kentucky Ridge Estates and we would
like to see Revolution become part of Kentucky Ridge Estates as originally planned.
We connect with Mr. Conger with the original developer Mr. Preston and he gave
permission to utilize the Kentucky Ridge theme and we have sent Mr. Conger street
names that would be appropriately addressed for that and I believe I have missed
something in my presentation, so if I could just take a moment out of -- out of this to
address it. One thing that we are concerned -- very concerned about is the curve of
Kentucky Way from our pond to north to Victory Road has a curve to it and it does have
a changing slope and during icy times it is quite dangerous. We feel that having a
sidewalk helps, because there won't be people walking on the road, but a detached
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sidewalk is not enough. We feel like there should be at least curb and gutter to
accompany the sidewalk and, again, we want to reiterate that we believe that both
developers should share in this cost and not use future taxpayer's money to do it when
it needs to be improved. And I believe that's it.
De Weerd: Thank you. Council, any questions?
Bird: I have none.
Rountree: I have none right now.
De Weerd: Thank you so much.
Hamilton: Thank you.
De Weerd: Okay. This is the public testimony. Is there anyone who would like to
provide testimony in addition? Yes, sir. Good evening. If you will, please, state your
name and address for the record.
Petty: My name is Kevin Petty. I live at 1155 West Victory.
De Weerd: Thank you.
Petty: My property adjoins this property by a thousand feet. We have conjoining lots
and I was wanting to be sure that we have got a six foot privacy fence going in a
continuous line and also across the roadway in the future that would come onto my
property, so, therefore, the people's dogs and whatever else will not be coming through
some just boarded area. I would like a continuous fence and -- because they are going
to have dogs and I got chickens and I got tractors out in the field and I don't really want
all that coming through there. So, I would really like for that road to be straight through
there. My second question is on the irrigation. He said something about not tiling the
lateral and I get that, but my water comes out of that lateral as well and I have not heard
any -- anything about how my water will be delivered and I sent a registered letter to Mr.
Conger, got no reply, so I would like to have something on that, so I know now and what
is going to be done in order to deliver my water to my property.
De Weerd: Thank you, Mr. Petty. And I can tell you at least to the second part of your
statement, that there is a responsibility to make sure that water delivery is not impeded,
so -- but we will have Mr. Conger make note of that.
Petty: Well, I understand that, I'm a contractor myself and I never get a permit to do
anything without having specifications, drawings, and everything and I see nothing. To
me this seems like it's out of the norm, but maybe it's not.
De Weerd: Okay. Well, we will have him address that. Okay.
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Petty: So, will I be getting some kind of diagrams or anything or I just sit there and wait
until the water comes to the yard?
De Weerd: Oh, certainly the water shouldn't come through your yard. We will ask --
Petty: The irrigation is coming right away. So, right now. And they are going to start
digging. What are we going to do to make sure that I can still get my water? They will
be digging everywhere. I mean is that going to be still working?
De Weerd: They aren't supposed to interrupt the delivery of your water. But I will have
Mr. Conger address that in his remarks.
Petty: All right. Thank you.
De Weerd: Thank you. Additional testimony? Okay. Mr. Conger.
Conger: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, Jim Conger, 1627 South Orchard
Street, Boise. So, addressing a couple of the things that we heard. The stub street --
as far as primary access on Kentucky Ridge, we do have a stub street when Mr. Petty's
land does -- does develop, we were not allowed to access Victory with the setbacks and
requirements from that intersection. ACHD's policy won't allow that. So, we will stub
out. I know other developments have -- have requirements to stub out. This will not be
the only method of in and out for any of these developments over time. We are a phase
two -- there were two existing stubs. There is not room for another stub to Kentucky
Way. There was discussion of can we come here to Kentucky Ridge. If you pull the
1995 -- which is not tremendously old, but the '95 approvals with the highway district,
there is a specific of this entire plat, which would be this Lot 3, Block 3 of absolutely no
-- no access to Kentucky Way, other than the two stubs that are allowed. We have
gone through the highway district process. All of these items have been discussed in
depth prior to getting to the commission at ACHD and during the commission at ACHD
and we did get approval with -- without any of that. They don't want extra points coming
onto Kentucky Way. The two stubs for this phase two are the two stubs for phase two.
The emergency -- yes, you know, right now Kentucky -- Kentucky Ridge neighborhood
is on a dead end and as far as fire and safety -- life safety items, it's our requirement to
put in the emergency -- not only helps our neighborhood, it now is going to provide
Kentucky Ridge as soon as we build it, their secondary access for emergency purposes.
So, it's actually a win-win at the end of the day from a life safety standpoint. Again,
roadways, you know, are the purview of ACRD. We have gone in depth with this layout
and in depth with all the roadway issues. Kentucky Way -- the width of Kentucky Way,
sidewalk, no sidewalk, curb, no curb, it -- we are very comfortable and I'm very
comfortable that ACHD has made the right play in leaving Kentucky Way the way it is
and with the detached sidewalk on the east side. I think addressing Mr. Petty, he did
send me a registered letter. He was asking for drawings and all this stuff that we aren't
able to give him. We did discuss at the highway district meeting -- he must have failed
to remember. We will provide water. We have a requirement to provide water to the
exact point that he gets it today. We don't have drawings to give him yet. Once we get
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through this process of approval, get our development agreement done, we will be
submitting construction plans to the City of Meridian and I will be more than happy to
share those with Mr. Petty when I have them. He has a gate that -- irrigation gate
outside of the Sundial lateral, so that the tiling or not tiling of the Sundial is irrelevant
compared to the delivery to him. And also we have some delivery to some -- some
neighborhoods off site of Kentucky Way over on this side of the world. I think in closing
we agree with the staff condition of approval -- the additional approval from the fire
department on the -- on the gating and the fencing or the gating and the bollards and I
think it just leaves us with two items that need addressed. We still request the waiver of
the Sundial Lateral to be left open to continue its usefulness for habitat and the sidewalk
location -- Sonya, if you would put it up really quick -- is the other item we need to
address. It's clearly in -- in your court on the blue versus the green. I put you on the
spot.
Watters: I thought we were done with that.
Conger: I apologize. It really doesn't matter. You have it. She will pull it up. ACHD
has approved me to do either. We are willing to pay 40 percent more, but this sidewalk
is either going to be on the east side or the west side and we are happy to go with the
west side -- or the east side. I apologize. I will stand for any further questions.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: Mr. Conger, I'm for allowing you to go on the east side with the sidewalk. Can you
tell me if the existing sidewalk has curb and gutter, too, along the road?
Conger: Madam Mayor, Council Member Bird, the existing streets inside of Kentucky
Ridge are rolled curb with attached sidewalk.
Bird: Sidewalk. And you're putting unattached sidewalk here, but even with an
unattached sidewalk if we are going to do the work along there, I would sure like to see
curb and gutter to there, too. I think that -- that it would definitely -- the traffic is
increasing. Not being a road expert, but just common sense I would think that the curb
and gutter would make that road a much more viable solid road by having the curb and
gutter there, not having a slough off gutter. Would you be available to do that, the curb
and gutter along there, too? Along with your detached sidewalk? I do like detached
sidewalks, but I don't -- I want to see it curb and gutter while we are doing it.
Conger: Madam Mayor, Council Member Bird, we have gone through great lengths in
meetings with the highway district and the neighbor -- neighborhood groups -- oh, you're
close. You're close. One more. With that being an existing road we are -- we are able
to do -- and fulfill our requirements of doing our sidewalk as it is. The highway district
has studied Kentucky Way and curbs aren't a requirement. We aren't able to pay 40
percent more for the sidewalk and provide a vertical curb along the way. So, we have --
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we have gone through the highway district's approvals with no curb requirement. We
still want to very much give to this neighborhood and do the 40 percent more sidewalk.
We are not able to do the vertical curb and gutter.
De Weerd: Okay. Council, any further questions for the applicant?
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: On this particular graphic what does the line along Victory coming off the end
of the blue line represent?
Conger: Madam Mayor, Council Member Rountree, are we talking this guy right here?
Rountree: Yeah.
Bird: Yeah.
Conger: Yeah. So, that is the required sidewalk along Victory. It will tie in and tie
across to -- to the sidewalk if we put it on the east side.
Rountree: And I did not hear your response -- and you may have -- to Mr. Petty's
concern about a continuous enclosed fence on the east side adjacent to his property,
apparently.
Conger: Madam Mayor, Council Member Rountree, you are correct, I did -- I did stay
away from that somehow inadvertently. But that is ACHD public right of way. I guess if
I can get a permit to put a fence across right of way we would consider it for sure. I
guess I would need to submit a permit for that. We will not own that property when it's
done, so there will be a 48 foot strip right there that's ACHD public right of way and we
have done it before, so I assume we could do it again, but we will --
Rountree: Where is that again?
Conger: That will be -- so, either way you want to look at it. Right -- right there. Right
there. That will be the stub. Mr. Petty has the ownership of this property on this
boundary and he's worried about that 48 feet. I get that. We can accommodate that.
Rountree: I believe you can.
De Weerd: Okay. Any other Council questions?
Borton: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Borton.
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Borton: Jim, you brought up the -- the open space at Woodbridge as an example of
how not tiling this lateral can be an amenity. I didn't see a DA as part of this. Maybe --
that's another question I was going to ask. But what type of language or parameters did
you use in the Woodbridge example that you think would fit here to try and insure that if
it were to remain open it will be utilized, because the Woodbridge example is really well
done.
Conger: Yeah. Madam Mayor, Council Member Borton, Woodbridge was definitely in
the day with simpler rules. We have more rules with your ordinance. So, I think we are
in a world that's actually probably easier to assure that it will be useful, as you have a
very specific ordinance from slopes to usage to vegetation. I really have a little bit less
- flexibility withyournew ordinance. I'm not saying it's bad, I mean it's -- so definitely we
will have a development agreement, but your ordinance alone will keep us in check with
your water amenities.
Borton: Okay. Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Uh-huh.
Borton: One other question that probably came up in your discussions with -- on the
sidewalk if the west portion, the blue, is not the detached sidewalk of choice and green
is utilized, who, if anybody, ultimately builds the blue in the future and -- what
mechanism is there to insure that gets put in?
Conger: Yeah. Madam Mayor, Council Member Borton, that's a very good question.
The blue in the future will never be built. That -- it's problematic. We can build it. It's
got a lot of slope, it's up about eight to 11 feet to 12 feet, depending -- from the
roadway, depending on where it is. We are happy to build it. We can build it. That is
our base approval with the highway district. The highway district also approved delete
the blue and build the green if the city is okay with it. So, I guess we are all here trying
to work with neighbors, work with developers, work with the highway district, work with
the city, so at the end of the day it's give and take. We are giving 40 percent more, but
we are not required to build the blue. If you want the blue we will be more than happy to
build the blue, but we can't build the green. So, it's give and take. Yeah. I think to
follow up on that is a good point. The blue doesn't connect to any other sidewalks.
Somehow when this development got in -- I can connect up here, but to connect the
blue up around the park is just -- there is no sidewalks on their property or around that.
So, the best viable solution to get pedestrians out of Kentucky Ridge is a sidewalk along
the east side. The highway district -- we have had I think up to two meetings prior to the
commission meeting to discuss how we could do this. We didn't really want to pay the
extra 40, but ultimately it came down to a point that it was that important to the
neighbors and the highway district actually got behind it and pressed pretty hard on me.
So, there has been a tremendous amount of thought into leaving the blue and adding
the green and I think you heard that from your neighbors and definitely can see that in
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the approval from the highway district. I think ultimately it's costing us more money.
The green is what connects the pedestrians and it's definitely the correct choice.
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: Again, looking at this graphic, the -- the lot that the blue line is on, is that a
common lot with this subdivision or is that a common lot that is with the existing
Kentucky Ridge? Somebody's improved it and is maintaining it. How is that to be
continued?
- Conger: No. Madam Mayor, Council Member Rountree, that is a common lot buffer
that we still are required by the City of Meridian's ordinance. We are not asking for you
to waive the buffer requirement, so the landscaping in the -- in the 50 foot right of way,
which I will show with the green, is right here, our common area is this entire buffer. We
do not propose to remove that, we still landscape that as per city code, just no walkway.
It doesn't connect.
Rountree: Thank you.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: There was a question raised -- and if I understood it correctly, you are
actually producing phase two of the original Kentucky Ridge sub development --
subdivision and I think the question was whether or not this development would be part
of the Kentucky Ridge Homeowners Association or are you planning to have a separate
homeowners association?
Conger: Madam Mayor, Council Member Zaremba, that -- we have been asked to use
the name, we have not been asked to be part of the association until tonight. So,
wasn't ready or prepared to answer that, but the quick answer is probably not. We will
have pressurized irrigation. They do not. They want it, but they don't have main lines in
existing neighborhoods. That's usually pretty difficult to put. So, I don't see any -- any
synergy or energy with that and we will definitely have our own park requirements.
They have their own park requirements. Ours are probably a little bit greater with the
ten percent requirement of the city ordinance, but, no, we are not able to do that. We
were going to talk to them about sharing the pump station at some point. The likelihood
of that is still probably slim as well, but --
De Weerd: Okay. Any other questions for the applicant?
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Rountree: Madam Mayor, I have a question for Sonya and it just whispered in my ear
and I wasn't going to ask it, but the DA comes with the action of the Council on this
annexation; correct?
Watters: That is correct, Councilman Rountree.
Rountree: So, Mr. Borton, it's yet to come.
Watters: If there is any other additional provisions you'd like to add now is the time.
The existing DA provisions that staff's proposing is in Exhibit B.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: I have kind of an off-the-wall question, but I will ask it anyhow. The name
that you're proposing has been sounding familiar and I just sort of figured out why. On
Victory on the east side of Meridian Road on the north side of Victory there is another
subdivision with a very similar sounding name. Does anybody remember what -- the
name of that subdivision? It's behind Victory Greens and takes its access on the north
side of Victory.
De Weerd: Observation Point, wasn't it?
Bird: That's Observation Point.
Zaremba: Okay. That -- okay. So, it's not even close. Thank you. I told you it was off
the wall.
De Weerd: I'm just glad I could answer it.
Zaremba: Somehow it sounded similar.
De Weerd: So, staff, I don't think this is a Mr. Conger question, but I know there is --
with these -- these county approved subs that -- that now the city is starting to grow
around, the HOA did bring up a very valid point on what do you do with these collectors
that typically collectors don't have driveways that access out onto them, they are a
collector to move traffic and have a different fit and feel than a neighborhood and as we
look at the development in and around this who pays attention to the appropriate
roadways that connect this and if we only get little bits and pieces of the puzzle at one
time how do you ever focus on how to do it right?
Watters: Madam Mayor, there is a member of ACHD staff here tonight in the audience
if you would like to direct that towards him.
De Weerd: And Ryan loves my questions anyway.
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Conger: Madam Mayor, can I take it before he gets here?
De Weerd: You can attempt it as well.
Conger: Yeah. Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, so, yeah, ACHD definitely
does not look at our project in a bubble. It took the entire area. It had known Biltmore
was coming in, but more than Biltmore, there is other properties on each side where we
are going to connect to and who is connected to Kentucky Ridge. So -- so, ACHD -- I
mean that is what they do all day long for a living, they definitely look at these projects
from a global standpoint, not just a 20 acre site. I mean every time they look at it with
the bigger picture in mind. Of course they are not detailed land plans, but when you
have adjacent properties you -- you do this long enough, as you guys well know and
well do, you know where the roads are going or not going as far as connecting over to
Linder or connecting back to Victory and things of that nature.
De Weerd: Well, normally we don't and that's why I asked it. So, I will see what -- what
Ryan can add.
Head: Madam Mayor, Ryan Head, Ada County Highway District. 3775 Adams Street,
Garden City.
De Weerd: Thank you.
Head: If you would remind me of our question. I was thinking of something else at the
moment. So, if you could tell me your question again.
De Weerd: I thought you hung on our every word.
Head: I try to. I do.
De Weerd: You try to. My question was as we look at road infrastructure and collector
roads and of -- of a larger view -- so, not the ten foot view, but more the 300 foot view,
we are seeing one puzzle piece at a time and there is going to be a lot of traffic
generated in every square mile, so how does ACHD look at this in where collectors
should be and how to integrate that into development applications that come in front of
your -- your commission and how is that going to relate to this.
Head: Okay. I can answer that. In working with your staff we have developed what we
call a master street map, which establishes a long range vision of both the arterial and
the collector system and these particular areas it would identify if -- where there is not a
collector currently in place, but identifies future collectors. In this particular case staff
looked at this -- it identifies every neighborhood residential collector. A similar one that
you may have now is -- shouldn't have said that, because now I'm blanking on what the
name of the one that I would draw. Chateau. Thank you. I heard that somewhere.
Chateau. It would be something similar to that. In this particular case, because of the
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nature of the subdivision it was felt that it wasn't necessary to require all -- all the
amenities of the collector roadway, which would be the -- the curb, gutter, sidewalk, the
bike lanes, those facilities and it wasn't felt in this particular case that was necessary in
that the existing road fit the criteria in what would be needed in this particular area.
There is the right of way always there for -- for improvement as do we require 50 feet of
right of way for a collector roadway at a minimum. I believe there is actually 60 feet, if I
recall from the staff report for this particular area. If I may just clarify one particular point
from our commission meeting. If we could -- Sonya, if you could bring up the green and
the blue line. Thank you. You're getting good at that. For what is the -- the Fisk
property, which is where the -- where the -- the section from where the existing sidewalk
-- it ends to the parcel line -- so, that small -- it's like 120 feet or something along those
lines, it was ACHD -- the intent of the commission was that piece be attached to a curb,
gutter, sidewalk. If required, ACHD is willing to pay for that curb, gutter for that one
piece. It's our understanding that that was the interest for -- for that particular land
owner, so that -- so that would be the intent of our commission for that particular piece.
The rest we are fine with the detached. So, just wanted to clarify that point in the
testimony that has been given.
De Weerd: So, as I look at Chateau, the more current -- I guess none of those
subdivisions or developments aren't necessarily new, but the newest one did not allow
the -- the driveways to connect, so they gave connecting points rather than the old one
and what we try to do is every application we need to learn from the other and so we
don't like to encourage those collector -- neighborhood collectors and you're our road
department, so I guess my question is to you, what is the longer term plan for this area
if -- if this is not going to be it -- and I don't think that is adequate, what -- what is the
long-term plan in that as development occurs? Not just this development. And I'm not
talking about any particular application, Mr. Baird. I guess you said there is plans.
What's the plan?
Head: Well, this area is identified as a residential collector and a residential collector
would have -- in most applications curb, gutter, sidewalk, bike lanes, all of those types
of facilities. Because this -- this particular application fronts this -- this residential
collector in such a small way, the commission didn't feel that it was appropriate to put
upon this -- this applicant the -- the requirement to develop even half of that, because
ultimately they would only be responsible for half of a roadway to meet those standards,
that it wasn't appropriate in this particular case. That doesn't mean in all cases we -- we
would apply that same logic, it's just based on this particular case it's a small amount of
frontage on the collector roadway to put that upon them at this time, especially where
you have a part to the south that doesn't have those curb, gutter, sidewalks that's
already established. The commission didn't feel comfortable and it was staff's
recommendation to not put that on this developer and which would ultimately, then, put
it upon us in the long run if -- if it were to need to be developed to a more -- to a full
build out status. That's really what the commission is acknowledging in making that
decision if at a later date that is required.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
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De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: Ryan, in other words, five or six years from now our taxpayers are going to wind
up putting that blue sidewalk in with curb and gutter and getting that road up to date is
what you're telling me, instead of having the developer do it at this point?
Head: I would say that if appropriate that may be the case. We don't have curb, gutter
and sidewalk on both sides of the road in all cases. For most -- for most of new
development we would require that if they were doing something along those lines. In
this particular case, because of the condition of the roadway now, we felt it was better to
try and make an actual connection to the sidewalk, whereas if it were on the east side --
or on the west side it would be going to a -- a stub into a park. So, it would -- if we can
require sidewalk, we wanted to require a connection that would be -- would actually
provide some connectivity at this point in time.
Bird: Follow up?
De Weerd: Uh-huh.
Bird: I agree with going to the green, but in Revolution where are you going to get the
young kids and stuff out and down to Victory to walk and where they don't have to cross
Kentucky Way to get to the sidewalk? You have no sidewalk on the west side. You
need it on both sides. I mean that one -- this place up there at the north is a temporary
deal. I don't even know if they are going to have sidewalks at that point anyway and
you go down to the south end of that subdivision, they are going to go out and they are
going to have to go walk over, which there will be sidewalks until they get to Kentucky
Ridge and, then, they will have to go across the road there at Kentucky Ridge and get
on the sidewalk.
Head: That is the case at this point in time.
Bird: To me that's -- we are solving one problem and creating another we are going to,
as taxpayers, pick up down the road.
De Weerd: Council, any other questions for Ryan? Thank you, Ryan. We always
remember you're the messenger.
Bird: Yes,
Conger: Can I address that or not?
De Weerd: Yes, please. You know, Jim, you will always be allowed the last word, so --
Conger: Okay. Not at home. But, Madam Mayor, Council Member Bird --
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De Weerd: Okay. At least in this chamber.
Conger: That's right. So, our pedestrians have -- their main choice, Mr. Bird, is they are
going to go down -- this is a -- that's a pedestrian connection to our sidewalk on Victory.
That is not temporary, that will go away. That is landscaped on both sides. Yes, it is an
emergency as well, but it is first and foremost a pedestrian link and a pedestrian link
that we want. What -- what this requirement with this sidewalk coming down -- this
sidewalk coming down Victory will have a crossing at Kentucky Way. That is no
different than any -- and this happens to be a three-way intersection, which is even
easier to cross, but any four way, three way intersection in this entire county -- or city
crosses to get to the other side. So, if we -- now, I guess I don't why they cross and get
to that sidewalk, because our people are going north through our neighborhood and out
to that pathway. -1 guess if they were crossing over and, then, going to walk back up the
neighborhood, I -- but they are going -- ultimately there will be some other -- some other
pedestrian ability in Victory, but all our people go north. Now, if they are going to the
bus stops which are over here, they are just simply coming up and coming out of our
neighborhood into the bus stops. If this sidewalk is done and why we committed to the
additional cost, the Kentucky Ridge doesn't connect to anything. Taxpayers aren't
covering our burden, they are covering the existing burdens of just neighborhoods to
somehow figure out a connection. We are the link to that connection and, again, this
Kentucky Way width and how it's configured for the future, ACHD didn't make that
decision in a week, I mean that was numerous traffic studies and a tremendous amount
of time. This road width, which is just shy of 30 -- everybody calls it 29 -- is a standard
they would put in today's world. So, the lack of vertical curb or rolled curb isn't an issue
with ACRD, it's all about the road width and, of course, they love the detached sidewalk.
We are willing to give that and have it actually be useful the day we put it in, which we
would hope is later this summer. I stand for any further questions.
De Weerd: Okay. Council, any further information needed?
Rountree: I have none.
De Weerd: Thank you.
Conger: Thank you very much.
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: If there is no further discussion, I move that we close the public hearings on
Items 8-D and 8-E.
Bird: Second.
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De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to close the public hearings on these two
items. All those in favor say aye. All ayes. Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Rountree: Madam Mayor, just a comment. I support the idea of the sidewalk on the
east. It does connect with the internal workings of the existing neighborhood and to the
extent of curb and gutter that ACHD has required on the -- apparently the south end,
that that be included as well. I support the idea that the drain be incorporated into the
community through the requirements in ordinance with respect to providing habitat. I
concur in the compromise on the access, that it could be a combination of a gate and
bollard to provide access to Meridian. I support that the entire east side adjacent to Mr.
- Petty would be fenced, including across ACHD's eventual right of way on stub street
and that's all the items I think that were requested that were changed or different.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: I would add a quirk to that, I guess, and that is that the fence that does cross
the right of way -- if they put uprights right on the outside of the right of way, so that that
section can be removed at some time without destroying the whole fence, I believe
there is a way to construct it so that it appears permanent now, but it can be removed
without destroying the rest of the fence and I would suggest that.
De Weerd: And that it would be signed this will be a through road --
Zaremba: It will be a through road later. Yeah.
Rountree: Madam Mayor, I would suggest that on all of the stub streets, that sign be
provided.
Bird: Yeah.
De Weerd: Is that a motion?
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: I move that we approve Item 8-D, AZ 14-002, Revolution Ridge, subject to
staff and applicant comments, including the continual fencing along the east side
adjacent to Mr. Petty's property, the habitat establishments on that drain, the bollard
gate combination for emergency access. That a sign be provided -- signage be
provided on the stub streets that indicate those streets will eventually be a through
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street and the sidewalk be on the east side with curb, gutter as requested by ACHD on
the southern portion.
Bird: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second. Any discussion?
Cavener: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Cavener.
Cavener: Maybe a question for the maker of the motion. Early on staff also
-recommended the addition of the water main to be installed on tot 8, Block 3. Would
you want to include that in this motion as well?
Rountree: I would say that the inclusion of staff comments was -- covers that item. But,
yes, that's included.
De Weerd: Okay. Any other discussion? Second agree?
Bird: Yes.
De Weerd: Okay. Madam Clerk.
Roll Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, yea; Zaremba, yea; Borton, yea; Milam, yea; Cavener,
yea.
De Weerd: All ayes.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
De Weerd: Item 8-E.
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: I move that we approve Item 8-E, PP 13-040 with staff and applicant
comments and a request that the applicant consider the theme idea that was proposed
for the existing Kentucky Ridge as it relates to street naming. That does not mean you
have to do it, but direct you to consider that.
Bird: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second. Any discussion from Council? Madam
Clerk.
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Roll Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, yea; Zaremba, yea; Borton, yea; Milam, yea; Cavener,
yea.
De Weerd: All ayes. Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
F. Public Hearing: PP 13-043 Summerwood Subdivision by Kent
Pintus Located at 4202 and 4052 W. Daphne Street Request:
Preliminary Plat Approval Consisting of Thirty (30) Single
Family Residential Building Lots and Four (4) Common/Other
Lots on Ten (10) Acres of Land in an R-4 Zoning District
De Weerd: Item 8-F is a public hearing on PP 13-043. 1 will open this public hearing
with comments.
Watters: Thank you, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council. The next application
before you is a request for a preliminary plat. This site consists of ten acres of land. It's
currently zoned R-4 and is located at 4202 and 4052 West Daphne Street. This
property is currently platted as Lot 6 and 7, Block 2, in the Black Cat Estates
Subdivision No. 2. A preliminary plat for Prado Villa was approved in 2006, but has
since expired. The applicant requests approval of a preliminary plat consisting of 30
building lots and three common lots on ten acres of land in the R-4 zoning district. The
plat is proposed to develop in two phases as shown. The gross density of the
subdivision is three dwelling units per acre consistent with the low density residential
future land use map designation of three dwelling units per acre or less. There are two
existing homes and a barn on this site. One of the existing homes is proposed to
remain. The others will be removed. And the primary access for this subdivision is at
the south boundary via West Daphne Street. A secondary access is planned at the
northeast boundary of the site to connect to a future street in Bridgetower Estates
Subdivision, which is currently under construction. A stub street is proposed at the
northwest boundary for future connection and interconnectivity. The plat depicts 1.1
acres of 10.1 percent of qualified open space, consisting of a large open common area,
.74 acres in size, and parkways along internal local streets. A barbecue, benches, and
gazebo are proposed as amenities consistent with UDC requirements. A six foot tall
privacy fence is propose along the perimeter boundary of the subdivision. All fencing
should comply with UDC standards. The Scribner Lateral and the East Drain crosses
the northwest corner of the site. These waterways are proposed to be relocated along
the south and west property boundaries within a 35 foot wide easement. The
waterways should be piped in accord with UDC requirements. An encroachment
agreement is required to be obtained for the lots that encroach within the irrigation
easement. The Commission recommended approval of the subject preliminary plat.
Sabrina Durtschi, the applicant's representative, testified in favor. No one testified in
opposition. Eugene Thompson and Paul Poorman commented on the application and
Sabrina Durtschi submitted written testimony in agreement with the staff report. There
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were no major issues of discussion by the Commission or changes to the staff
recommendations and there are no outstanding issues for Council. Written testimony
since the Commission hearing was received from Sabrina Durtschi, applicant's
representative, in agreement with the Commission recommendations. Staff will stand
for any questions the Major and Council may have.
De Weerd: Thank you. Council, any questions?
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
- Rountree: What's proposed through the new 30 foot easement where the irrigation
facilities will be relocated? Is there some kind of landscaping, some kind of -- is it going
to be a common lot that's going to be maintained? What's going on there?
Watters: It is with -- Mayor and Council. Excuse me. It is within an easement shown
on the south boundary and the west boundary here. So, obviously, no building will be
allowed within that easement and an encroachment easement will be required for the
lots.
Rountree: But will it be maintained or is it going to be what we commonly see in these
irrigation easements?
Watters: It will be in each homeowners' lot, so it will be maintained by the homeowners.
It's only an easement, it's not a common lot.
Rountree: Okay.
De Weerd: Any other questions? Is the applicant here? Good evening.
Durtschi: Good evening.
De Weerd: If you will, please, state your name and address for the record.
Durtschi: Absolutely. Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, hello and good evening.
For the record my name is Sabrina Durtschi and I am here on behalf of the applicant
and Briggs Engineering. My business address is is 1800 West Overland Road, Boise,
Idaho. 83705. And --
De Weerd: Thank you.
Durtschi: You're welcome. And this evening we are in front of you for a 30 lot
subdivision plat for Summerwood Estates. Back in 2006 -- this site might look a little
familiar -- we got an annexation, zoning of R-4, a development agreement and a
preliminary plat approved at that time. However, we didn't have any services to the site,
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so, unfortunately, the plat got -- expired and I have had a very patient owner. I would
check in periodically and was always told, no, there is no services yet until last fall when
we pleasantly got the answer that, yes, finally they do have services that are stubbed in
by -- from Bridgetower that is to the east of the site. So, that is why we are here today.
We are still going to stay true to the signed and recorded development agreement, that
way -- so, we are only presenting this evening as a preliminary plat. It's still for 30 lots,
as was approved in 2006. A few changes have been made I just would like to point out.
Originally our ingress -egress was -- is that writing?
Watters: Select a color.
Durtschi: Oh. A color. Ingress -egress is here. Mr. Thompson to the south of our
property, was concerned about headlights coming into his household and so we
realigned the road to its current location off of Daphne, so it wouldn't impede into
anyone's residence. And, then, we did change the open space. I believe it was more
centrally located and after talking to a landscape architect and whatnot they decided to
locate it at this location. Other than that it's very similar to what was already approved
in 2006. And with that I respectfully request approval and thank you for your time and
consideration and will stand for any questions that you may have at this time.
De Weerd: Thank you. Council, any questions?
Bird: I have none.
De Weerd: Okay. Thank you.
Durtschi: Great. Thank you.
De Weerd: Okay. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone who wishes to provide
testimony on this item? Sabrina, do you have any further comment? Okay.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: Seeing no more, I move we close the public hearing on PP 13-043.
Milam: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing on Item 8-F. All
those in favor say aye. All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
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De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I move we approve PP 13-043 and include all staff and applicant comments.
Milam: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to approve Item 8-F. If there is no
conversation from Council, Madam Clerk, will you call roll.
Roll Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, yea; Zaremba, yea; Borton, yea; Milam, yea; Cavener,
yea.
De Weerd: All ayes
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
G. Public Hearing: AZ 14-003 Heritage Grove by Tucker Johnson
Located Northwest Corner of N. Locust Grove Road and E.
Ustick Road Request: Annexation of Approximately 1.49 Acres
from RUT in Ada County to the R-15 (Medium High Density
Residential) Zoning District
H. Public Hearing: PP 14-001 Heritage Grove by Tucker Johnson
Located Northwest Corner of N. Locust Grove Road and E.
Ustick Road Request: Preliminary Plat Approval Consisting of
121 Single Family Residential Lots and 19 Common Lots on
Approximately 21.71 Acres in an Existing and Proposed R-15
Zoning District
Public Hearing: PUD 14-001 Heritage Grove by Tucker
Johnson Located Northwest Corner of N. Locust Grove Road
and E. Ustick Road Request: Planned Unit Development to
Modify the R-15 Dimensional Standards of the Mew and Alley
Loaded Lots to Allow for Exemplary Design
J. Public Hearing: MDA 14-001 Heritage Grove by Tucker
Johnson Located Northwest Corner of N. Locust Grove Road
and E. Ustick Road Request: Development Agreement
Modification to Change the Development Plan from Multi -
Family to Single Family
De Weerd: Items 8-G, H, I and J are public hearings on AZ 14-003, PP 14-001, PUD
14-001 and MDA 14-001. 1 will open these four public hearings with staff comments.
Parsons: Thank you, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council. Next item on the agenda
this evening the Heritage Grove Project. It's located on the northwest corner of Locust
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Grove and Ustick. If some of you live out in that area or live in north Meridian you can
tell that that intersection is currently under construction with ACHD and that's what
actually facilitated the application before you this evening to expedite some of that
moving forward. I would mention to you that the developer has worked very closely with
ACHD on this project as far as getting utilities extended into the site, so that is
happening as well and the only reason why we have a small annexation this evening is
because, again, of that roadway. This little sliver is approximately 1.49 acres and
because of the roadway project that homeowner is losing their well and so ACHD is
connecting that home to city services as well as part of the roadway project, but the
applicant has taken it upon himself to bring them in as part of a lot and block in the
subdivision as well. So, this project was before you in 2008. It had a little bit different
flavor at that time. It was called the Chalet Marsalis project and at that time that it was
presented to you there was a development agreement and in that development
agreement it was required to develop with 120 multi -family units. Now that that
applicant is not proposing the multi -family development we do have the zoning in place,
but they want to bring forth a new subdivision before you that has single family homes.
So, in order to do that they do have to amend that development agreement as well.
You can see here that the development is primarily surrounded by residential
development in the city and so what the application doing this evening trying to kind of
marry in or tie this development into the surrounding developments as well. Here is the
plan for you this evening. As the Mayor mentioned, there are multiple applications on
this site. I will start the preliminary plat. As similar to what was approved in 2008, this
preliminary plat consists of 121 residential lots instead of units. The primary -- one of --
the lots range in size between approximately 4,000 square feet all the way up to 27,000
square feet and the main reason for that has to do with -- as I mentioned to you that one
property that they are proposing to annex in there is a half acre lot that they are carving
out to keep the existing residence on that property for the Trail property, as I have --
that's what I will call it moving forward, but it will be remaining. Those homes are
hooking up and that will -- will be a lot and block in the subdivision, but not necessarily
tied to the CC&Rs of the subdivision. They will still be their own legal parcel of record in
the future. The applicant is proposing a planned unit development and in this yellow
graphic that you have before you it shows what the proposed setbacks are for that -- for
this development. I would mention to Council that under our PD process in the Unified
Development Code the perimeter lots to have to comply with the dimensional standards
of the UDC. So, those -- all the lots that you see along the perimeter here will be
traditional single family garage loaded homes. There is no modifications requested.
The only PD modifications will be to the internal lots that you see along -- internal to this
portion of the development and, then, also the northwest quadrant of the development
and what the applicant is requesting as part of their PD process is requesting a five foot
setback to living space that would apply to the lots that front on the MEW here and,
then, along the alleys or the street here. The internal -- and the interior setbacks would
be five feet consistent with current ordinance and, then, off the alley the applicant is
requesting a two foot setback to the garage. So, basically, the alley becomes livable
space. You will have your garages, but that will allow the applicant to build living space
over top of the garage to actually use the entire footprint of the lot for the home and,
then, MEW, essentially, becomes the open space or the usable yard for the residents
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that live in the subdivision. The traditional lots, again, will have the typical setbacks that
we see in the R-15 zone or R-8 and there should be ample open space for them as well.
One unique aspect of this plan as well is that it does have over 15 percent open space,
which is currently our UDC requires ten percent. So, the applicant's actually providing
more than what the UDC requires and the amenity package that the applicant is
proposing with the development will consist of a clubhouse, outdoor patio area, and,
then, also two picnic areas within the MEW. So, that's something unique to this
development as well. One thing the applicant wanted to do as well -- is if you're familiar
with the Heritage Commons Subdivision to the north of this site, it's pretty typical what
you see in that development and the applicant wanted to bring that design element to
this project as will. Here are the home elevations. Because this was a PD we like to
get a little bit more specific details as to the quality of the homes, the style of the homes.
The applicant has to demonstrate how these homes will fit on the lots, so that we make
sure we are approving something or recommending approval of something that will
actually work and the property can actually be developed as proposed by the applicant
and so what the applicant has done here for you this evening is not only provide sample
elevations, but they have also provided a materials board for you to review the specifies
of all the design criteria and staff has also required that they provide a lot fit -- or at least
show you how the homes would be oriented along the alleys and also the MEW lots.
One unique aspect for this project and one requirement that we have under our
conditions of approval this evening is that we want the applicant to provide variations
along the streetscape, so we don't want each home to be on the same plain along the
street, so what this exhibit shows you -- it shows that the applicant can actually work
within those setbacks that I presented to you as far as the PD process, but they can
also vary the homes or stagger them along the streetscapes, so you don't get every
home on the same plain, so you don't have a monotonous streetscape and that's very
critical to something of this design. The applicant will also be providing eight foot
parkways throughout this development to get you that tree -lined street development as
well, which is pretty typical of a traditional neighborhood district -- traditional
neighborhood design as well. So, once we presented this to Planning and Zoning
Commission, they did recommend approval to you this evening from their March 6th
hearing. Testifying in favor of that was Tucker Johnson at that hearing. There were
several neighbors that came and testified and actually -- they actually provided
comments and were very excited about this project. They felt it did emulate again
Heritage Commons to the north and, then, something that they had envisioned seeing
next to them moving forward. ACHD did submit their original -- staff report on this.
They have recommended approval, as well as it's submitted to you this evening. There
were some concerns with the public alleys for the MEW lots, as they did not have street
frontage as required by ACRD, but the applicant and the city has worked with ACHD to
iron out that issue, so moving forward those alleyways will be private. They will have to
come back through the fire department, get some signage, basically, similar to what we
did in Reflection Ridge where we actually had an exhibit or a plaque along the roadway
to identify which homes -- their addresses for each of those homes, but we have that
ironed out in the staff report and it should transition very smoothly going forward. The
applicant is actually -- if I could step back here very quickly as well, is to let you know
that they are planning on developing this in four development stages and one of our
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recommendations -- and it also came forth from Planning and Zoning Commission --
was the timing for those improvements. Because we have the intersection under
construction at this point the applicants want to start phase one and two near that
intersection and because of the existing residence the Trail property currently have
access to Ustick Road. We wanted to make sure -- and we have tied this to the
development agreement and also to the conditions of this project -- we want to make
sure that we get all of the landscaping along the arterial roadways with the first phase of
development. We felt that was critical not only to having that as part of the new
intersection to have that piece of design theme, but we also have several subdivisions
in there that are developed as well, so we wanted to make sure we close off that access
for the Trail property, have that consistent landscape theme in front of the Trail property
as well, and, then, tie into the west and, again, this plan doesn't reflect that, but our
conditions -of -approval state that we want those improvements with phase one as well.
And the applicant is also providing a local street access in this vicinity here, if you can
see my cursor, to provide access to the Trail property. And so, again, this phasing plan
doesn't slow that, but that is a condition of moving forward. As I mentioned earlier in my
presentation there is a development agreement on the site. It's not a very robust
development agreement. The only requirement in that DA is that they construct the
maximum of 120 residential units -- multi -family units. So, in moving forward this
evening we have multiple approvals running with this land, but this is staff's best guess
at what the Council would like to see in the development agreement for a project of this
size. So, first of all, we want to tie them to the home elevations and that pallet -- or at
least those design features that you saw in that earlier presentation. We want a mix of
material on the elevations along Locust Grove and Ustick Road. I would mention to you
that applicant did provide a detail of a berm along Ustick and Locust Grove, so a lot of
the homes you won't see from the roadway, because there will be such a tall berm and
fence combination, but you may want to add to, but we feel like we have a combination
-- if you can see the back of the home we do want to see a mix of materials on that. We
also want to make sure that they comply with the submitted plat, because of the
uniqueness of it having the MEW development, the amount of open space that they are
proposing, we want to tie them to that as well and, then, as I mentioned to you the
phasing of those improvements along the arterial streets, provision number C speaks to
that. We want to make sure that those landscape buffers are installed with the first
phase and that would include the Trail property as well. And we want to make sure that
that buffer compliments the buffer that they put in. We are not telling them to put a
50,000 dollar landscape buffer in front of the Trail property, we just want them to work
with that homeowner to make sure there is a consistent design theme there as they
transition from their landscaping buffer to Wanda's Meadows. And, then, of course, like
anything, the ordinances change as you move forward and because there is multiple
spaces proposed we want to make sure that they are going to comply with any
ordinances in effect at the time of their final plat submittal. Stepping back really quick --
or at least giving you a summary of the public hearing. As I mentioned to you a couple
of neighbors did testify. They were from the adjacent subdivision Heritage Commons.
Again, they were in support. That was Joshua Blanc and Randy Sewick. Staff did
receive written testimony on this prior to the Planning and Zoning Commission hearing
from Roberta Garben, Wendell Martin, and Ann Hutchinson and the concerns from
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those neighbors had to do with the perimeter fencing. At the public hearing the
applicant did testify that there would be vinyl fencing along the perimeter of the site and
he thought he may have to cost share with some of the adjacent neighbors. They didn't
feel should be on the bubble for cost sharing on any fencing when they were proposing
the development, so the applicant did testify that he would be paying for the cost of the
fencing along the perimeter, so we have that addressed as well and so as I mentioned
to you, the applicant did not -- wasn't really in favor of doing those improvements with
phase one, meaning the landscape improvements. The Planning and Zoning
Commission stayed with staff's recommendation and they did not propose any changes
to our conditions of approval. And so with that the applicant did not submit any written
testimony on that moving forward this evening, nor did staff receive any additional
written testimony on the application since the Planning and Zoning Commission, so,
really, for you this evening we have no outstanding issues for you. This is a fairly clean
application moving forward. We feel we have all the conditions into place -- in place to
move forward pretty smoothly and this concludes my presentation and I will stand for
any questions you may have.
De Weerd: Thank you, Bill. Council, any questions? Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor, if I may. Bill, I'm trying to visualize something that you
described and that would be the places where there is a garage along the alley. I think I
heard you say that the garage would be setback two feet from the alley. But, then,
there could be a second story living space over that that would overhang two feet and,
therefore, be back flush to the alley and I guess my question is, one, did I interpret that
correctly?
Parsons: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, that wasn't my intent to describe it
that way. The alley -- the public alleys will have to be 20 feet wide per our standards, so
that's in place. That's the separation between the units. From the edge of alleyway is a
20 foot right of way. The garage could be up to two feet from that property line. So, the
living space would be built above the garage, it wouldn't necessarily project beyond the
garage --
Zaremba: Okay.
Parsons -- is what I'm getting at. The two foot is the cut off. You just won't have a
parking pad in front of the garage. That's the intent here you get the parking on the
street, you get the open space in the MEW lot. That's the uniqueness to this -- this
project, is that you're trying to get more of that traditional neighborhood look by getting
the tree lined streets, allowing the footprint of the home to basically fit the whole lot --
buildable lot and you move the open space to where ever you can use it as an amenity.
But this will give them flexibility to either have a single level home or if there is a two
story, they want a larger home, they have that ability to build that living space over the
garage, so it's not all garage dominated along the alley as well.
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Zaremba: Thank you. That helped me. I was concerned about fire trucks going down
the alley, but as long as we are not --
Bird: Plenty of room.
Zaremba: -- closing it in, that's fine.
De Weerd: Thank you, Mr. Zaremba. Any other questions?
Bird: I have none.
De Weerd: Okay. Is the applicant here? Good evening.
Johnson: Good evening.
De Weerd: Nice to have you here. If you will state your name and address for the
record.
Johnson: Tucker Johnson. Work address is 372 South Eagle Road in Eagle.
De Weerd: Thank you.
Johnson: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, it's a pleasure to be before you. I'm
glad to see that some things don't change, Councilman Bird. It's been awhile since --
it's been a while since I have been before you. We are excited about this -- this
application and appreciate the staff's input, direction, help and guidance. We are in
general agreement on most everything with the exception of maybe the one item
relative to phasing and I will touch on that before I'm done. The -- the project has
evolved in its -- its conception. We have come to the point where we are going to target
the 55 or older community. In fact, the signs on the site actually say that right now. As
we believe that there is a large demand for that type of project at this location, single
level is probably the dominate type of home. Empty nesters tend to have concerns over
stairs for hip replacements, knee replacements, and so forth. So, the project has
evolved. I'd like to take you through just a few aspects of the project. There are some
samples locally, as well as regionally, of MEW parks with homes facing on that. I won't
go into detail. This happened to be -- the top two pictures happened to be from the
Highlands in the Seattle area. The bottom two here happen to be from Hazelwood
Village, one of my projects in southwest Boise where you see each home actually gets
to have a piece of their own private little park in front of their house and part of the
design with this project has been -- we have seen in different jurisdictions and the
different areas is to have the homes on the end actually come forward a little bit more
than the balance of the other lots facing the MEW. It kind of creates a slight enclosure,
if you will. Just kind of a psychological sense of a private, protective environment. It's
this kind of nuance that we have been paying attention to and have been incorporating
into the design. This particular graphic doesn't show it. I'm not sure why. I must have
grabbed the wrong one. But we have -- since this application was submitted to staff we
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have decided to detach the sidewalks in front of all the traditional lots, in addition to the
alley -loaded lots. So, the sidewalks will be detached and you will see the same
emphasis on street trees to create a very livable and walkable environment. This is our
vision. One of our vision boards. One picture, top left corner comes from the San
Francisco Bay area. Sometimes confused with local projects, but, then, the other three
have come from a project just north of Denver. We have traveled far and wide trying to
find different nuances, different traditional designs that would fit into a perfectly
designed project. It creates a very inviting, walkable community. This is very similar to
our project in southwest Boise where we have detached sidewalk and trees on both
sides and the -- the number of people walking enjoying that environment regularly is
significant. Phasing plan -- I will come back to that perhaps. A quick zoom in on a
representative MEW area and I, basically, want to focus on this -- these lots here to kind
of illustrate a cross -access approach. Again, the house here on theendclosest to a
side street has the capability of protruding a little closer into the park. The setbacks are
delineated there, as well as at the point of that -- the front setbacks would be a shorter
wrought iron fence along the front and, then, this property here will actually be able to
live over to the -- to within a few inches of the neighbor's house. So, we call it in this
case -- call it living to the east. So, this entire area here would be an area for dwellings
to use as part of their living space. And theme just carries forward here. This lot here is
actually next to the pathway. It's an extra five feet wider, because it has no neighbor on
which to have an easement. So, it's counted as the same square footage. Same size
house and same kind of living space environment. This is, again, part of our vision
board of what that space can look like. Samples both local and regional. This one here
happens to be in Eagle. I would love to live in that kind of environment. I hope my
builders and the folks who buy in this community will get to this level at some point in
time. It creates a very exciting, inviting living option. As an option in that same cross -
access easement area -- back up here. I'm going to focus on this area for just a
moment. This actually is in Eagle. Alderwood Creek. The staff report before you
conditions -- gives the opportunity to do something of this nature -- it doesn't require it,
but it gives an opportunity for a family, friend, or a third vehicle or so forth to park in this
location and through the CC&Rs we are going to keep it tidy, don't want an ugly
environment, we don't want to downgrade the alley at all. Basically restricting it to a
nicer vehicle, the AC, and trash cans. And, again, some kind a fencing to separate it
from the actual outdoor living space. This is a -- this is from Alderwood Village also in
Eagle. The homes in this particular situation -- I would call it a monster truck here --
don't anticipate a lot of empty nesters having too many monster trucks, but I wanted to
show you the possibilities of what can actually fit in these spaces. These ones happen
to be 12 feet apart and accommodate that. But we are going to be fairly picky in our
CC&Rs relative to the use of that space. Just wanted to show a quick graphic of the
possible fence styles. There is actually a picture missing here. I apologize. More of a
vinyl style for our berm along Locust Grove and Ustick Road. The fence along the
MEW part would be similar to this and if we go with the wood style fence it may look
something to this -- this type of fence. So, a typical cross-section of the berm. We are
interested in separating the homes and the people within the home from being able to
have to have visual interaction with the vehicles and moving trucks and so forth out here
on the public roadways. We have worked closely with landscape architects to achieve
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the right design and that gives you a flavor of buffering the intended place there. Staff
has already pointed out this park. Our clubhouse plan is to incorporate a patio area
where people can congregate in a very artistically created outdoor area. Again, kind of
our vision board of what those might look like and the clubhouse itself -- we originally
thought a potential placement within the -- at one of the common areas, but due to
constraints the sewer actually goes through that location, so we can't put it over the top
of it. We have identified this location which may get bumped a lot one way or the other,
perhaps. We want it centrally located, but ACHD's storm drain requirements are pretty
hefty and may require us to lose a lot for a storm drain detention facility -- landscaped
fully as a park, you know, until Noah comes back and, then, it would have water in it.
That concludes most of my comments. I want to go back to the phasing plan, however,
and quickly touch on the only disagreement that staff and I ultimately have and that has
to do with the property here, referred to as the Trail property. As staff indicated, you
know, Locust Grove and Ustick are under heavy construction, due to be finished per
contract by July and we will be making the connection here, so they can delete this
connection here and, then, finish it up with some landscaping in this location. It's going
to happen. We are going to do it. My only contention is that since we have to start here
with phase one to our entrance, we are trying to split this into more manageable bites
and don't get our heads too strung out there, having been nearly, you know, snipped the
head off during the 2008, 2012 era. We are a little more cautious in our approach. Staff
is recommending that this road be paved and access to here be accomplished as part
of phase one and our contention -- it's going to happen -- exactly what it did at P&Z.
Are you guys doing that? We have agreed with staff to place the landscaping in its
entirety along here. Our only request is -- and difference with staff is that this section
would be installed once this connection for the internal road is complete and that that
could come in phase two. So, we don't, essentially, have to build these entire first front
hundred -- or 60 lots all at the same time. The sewer -- let me erase this a little bit. If
we -- you can see a manhole here. If we pave this street to here it starts to force us to
put facilities in this location and the connection will happen. The -- the berming along
Ustick Road will be completed, I'm just suggesting that the staff report -- the staff and
conditions be amended to say along with phase two those items must be addressed at
that time. I would -- I would stand for questions. We are, again, very excited about the
possibility of those who have had already numerous phone calls relative to the project,
the -- the concept. We, actually, are approaching closer to 19 percent total open space,
not that we have detached the sidewalks on both sides. Clubhouse. A picnic location,
both areas, both new park. We are working with the neighbors to our north and west,
but primarily to the west are in attendance here this evening and I would just quickly
point out something here on the phasing plan. The concern has been generally with
these homes in this location and we have agreed to limit those to single level --
potentially single level with a bonus space, but not a true two story home. These homes
here are -- are single level in nature. And we can actually do that all -- all around this
block right here. I have actually had a conversation with him -- he's not here tonight, but
this may end up being a storm drain facility. We don't know yet. This is the lowest spot
of the whole site. It drains in that direction. With that I will actually stand for questions.
De Weerd: Thank you. Council, any questions?
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Milam: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mrs. Milam.
Milam: Mr. Johnson, my -- so, I just want to clarify. This is a 55 and up neighborhood,
not just your target market? The main reason I ask that is because most of my
questions revolve around that. You read my mind, because I had all my questions
written down. Obviously, there is a sign -- I drive by here on a regular basis. I live
nearby, so -- but part -- -with some of the -- the questions that we had were -- it was
about the school, the schools being overcrowded that that would feed. Also there is a
playground in the open space -- so I just want to make sure that that -- that is
--specifically what you're doing and that that doesn't change, because that would change
-- I love the project. I think it's beautiful. I would like to live there, you know, but you
were talking about single level homes and, then, two story homes, so I'm just a little bit
confused on what that plan is concretely.
Johnson: Council President and Members of the Council, the -- when we submitted the
application we were -- we were focused on a target group of empty nesters. We weren't
defined at that time. We weren't quite comfortable yet. There is some federal
regulations that start to get in there and I'm not an expert yet and I'm kind of tentatively
stepping, but with some additional research since we submitted the application we are
more confident and headed that direction. It's my understanding currently that a 55 and
older community by federal regulations, you could have up 20 percent of the residents
actually less than 55 or older. There could be a 55 and older couple or single parent
that has a high schooler, that has maybe a junior high or middle school type age. But
that's not going to be the typical group that we are targeting. So, I'm going to stop just
shy of saying absolutely it's going to be restricted to 55 or older, because part of our --
we actually have a focus group tomorrow night for 35 people that have responded to the
sign, to explore this very facet and to make sure we do it right and do it well, but we also
make sure we don't stub our toes on some federal regulations that we are not currently
aware of. But I understand the issue was the schools, traffic -- sadly, somewhat like
roads, this body doesn't have -- you know, there is not one stop shop so to speak of the
city that would affect all different aspects of society, including schools. But I anticipate a
significantly less -- lower number of school age children at this location.
Milam: Okay. As well as I -- if I was 55 and older and I was living there and --
Johnson: Not quite yet.
Milam: I wouldn't -- I would be mad if some kids moved in next door. Be part of that
focus group. Thank you.
Johnson: Please come.
De Weerd: Any other questions from Council?
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Bird: Not at this time.
Rountree: No.
De Weerd: Okay. Thank you.
Johnson: Thank you.
De Weerd: This is a public hearing. Is there anyone who would like to provide
testimony on this application? I will note that, Dr. Johnson, we were sad to see your
home leave.
Bird: Yes.
De Weerd: But I think this application is -- is very nice and, hopefully, you can see with
pride what's being developed on your land. Thank you for joining us tonight. So, any
comments? Any public -- yes.
Johnson: Just to clarify something in staff comments. I think the report's different. The
alleys will be public. ACHD gave us three options and we can incorporate the public
alley with addressing to meet the fire and EMS requirements and so just a clarification,
they will be public.
De Weerd: Okay. Thank you.
Johnson: Thank you.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: Seeing no more testimony, I move that we close the public hearings on AZ 14-
003, PP 14-001, PUD 14-001 and MDA 14-001.
Milam: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to close the public hearings on all four of
these items. All those in favor say aye. All ayes. Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
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Bird: First before I make a motion, I -- this is a beautiful project and I, like the Mayor,
am going to miss Dr. Johnson's house out there and his cattle and stuff, but this is
progress and we are getting a decent --
De Weerd: Intersection.
Bird: -- intersection out there now, so -- anyway, this is a beautiful project that Tucker
and you have put together and we certainly appreciate it coming to our community. And
with that I would move that we approve AZ 14-003 and to include all staff and applicant
comments.
Milam: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to approve Item 8-G. Any comments from
Council?
Rountree: I have none.
De Weerd: I would just say to the Johnsons that this is a great product and it's
something that I have heard from our 55 and older community that is much needed.
They want less yard to maintain, but they want that sense of community, they want an
ownership, they want to have ownership and I think this meets all of those different
desires. So, thank you. It looks exciting. Madam Mayor, will you, please call roll.
Roll Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, yea; Zaremba, yea; Borton, yea; Milam, yea; Cavener,
yea.
De Weerd: All ayes.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: Before I make the next one I got a question for Mr. Baird. The -- in the phasing,
the berm for -- it being phase one there at the Trail Creek property, but tie in with the
road, would go in with phase two. That would be under PUD, won't it, instead of PP?
Baird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Baird.
Baird: Madam Mayor and Council Member Bird, I thought my booming voice would be
enough. Okay. I'm going to ask planning staff, I think he's got the answer. So, I'm
going to flip it over there to you.
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Parsons: I will take that for 200 dollars.
Bird: You're too low for a lawyer fee.
Parsons: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, there is -- there is a couple of areas
that need to be modified if that's your desire. Currently there is a DA provision in the
staff report that requires the landscape buffer with phase one and that's DA Provision
No. C. What we can do is just strike the Trail property statement out of there. I think
the applicant testified he's willing to do his landscape buffer with his -- with the first
phase. Just allow the Trails to keep their access to Ustick until he builds the road and
gets him a connection from the local street and, then, once they remove that -- once the
street's in, then, he will put in the landscaping or work with the Trails to put in the
landscaping and close off the access. So, I think as long as we modify DA Provision C
just to remove the reference to the Trail property I think we have it captured there --
Bird: Okay.
Parsons: -- and there is a preliminary plat condition that also -- it's actually Condition B.
One thing to kind of elaborate a little bit more on here while you think about your motion
is because the Trail property -- although it is a lot and block in the subdivision, as we
have come before you with subdivisions typically we like a common lot platted along the
arterial street, so it's maintained by the HOA and so that we can restrict access to the
arterial street to -- by a common lot. Because the Trail property won't -- it will be a lot
and block in the subdivision, but it won't be subject to their CC&Rs, the applicant will
have to come back at some future phase with an alternative compliance application,
rather than platting that common lot across the Trail property we will have to do a
landscape easement across their frontage, so that they can include their property from it
as part of their buildable lot, so we don't create a nonconforming structure on the
property and so there is a condition in the staff report that says with first phase they
would submit an alternative compliance application to plat that 25 foot landscaping to
and across their property and that it would be installed with the first phase. So, we just
have to wordsmith that to say second phase, but it's something to keep in mind that they
have other approvals for that property moving forward with more than just the
landscaping and closing off the access. We want to make sure we have it all captured
here. But it is the preliminary plat.
Bird: Okay. Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: Ted, that -- as long as I reference staff and applicant testimony this covers it, I
don't have to -- I don't have to say just what he did.
Baird: Madam Mayor, Council Member Bird, Members of the Council, now that you
have approved the annexation, I would suggest that you roll your next motion into the
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last three items, mention the staff comments -- it's very clear what your intent is in that
motion and staff will work with legal in getting the preliminary plat and the DA --
Bird: The findings.
Baird: -- to make that happen.
Bird: Thank you. Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: With that I would move that we approve PP 14-001 and include all application and
- staff comments, including the last comments regarding the property to the west.
Milam: Second.
De Weerd: I wanted to hear you repeat that. Okay. I have a motion and a second.
Any discussion on this item?
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: I know the applicant's comments are covered by the motion, but I just want
to point out that the applicant did identify in color on the plat that probably isn't covered
with verbiage that the lots north of the Trail property and moving towards the west would
be single level homes.
Bird: Single elevation. Help the motion maker.
De Weerd: Appreciate that clarification. Okay. Any further comments? Madam Clerk.
Roll Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, yea; Zaremba, yea; Borton, yea; Milam, yea; Cavener,
yea.
De Weerd: All ayes.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I move we approve PUD 14-001 and include all staff and applicant comments.
Milam: Second.
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De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to approve Item 8-1. Madam Clerk, roll call,
please.
Roll Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, yea; Zaremba, yea; Borton, yea; Milam, yea; Cavener,
yea.
De Weerd: All ayes.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I move we approve MDA 14-001 and include all staff and applicant comments.
Milam: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to approve Item 8-J. Madam Clerk.
Roll Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, yea; Zaremba, yea; Borton, yea; Milam, yea; Cavener,
yea.
De Weerd: All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
K. Public Hearing: TEC 14-004 Ambercreek by Trilogy Idaho
Located Southwest Corner of W. McMillan Road and N.
Meridian Road Request: One (1) Year Time Extension on the
Preliminary Plat in Order to Obtain the City Engineer's
Signature on Final Plat
De Weerd: Item 8-K is a public hearing on TEC 14-004. 1 will open the public hearing
with staff comments.
Parsons: Thank you, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council. Next item on the agenda
is the Amber Creek time extension. The property is located near the southwest corner
of North Meridian Road and West McMillan Road. This is actually the fifth time
extension that the Council has acted on, or at least the second -- third one the Council
has acted on, but the fifth overall and so the applicant is here trying to -- requesting a
one year time extension. They anticipate moving forward on a second phase early this
spring, late early -- late spring, early summer. There are -- like the previous time
extensions, staff did require certain -- the plat to comply with current UDC requirements.
This time extension we are recommending that a new condition be added to the -- the
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time extension request and I wanted to bring it to your attention on this graphic here and
this is what I want to explain to Council as far as the new condition. As far as utility
locations and street lighting and open space, all of that does -- has been required to
comply with the UDC and it will continue to do so. Probably the biggest change that we
want to memorialize with this time extension is what I have highlighted here in this
graphic is that when you acted on this preliminary plat back to 2006 you actually -- you
and ACHD -- the Council and ACHD actually approved a road connection to McMillan
Road. The applicant has been working with staff and ACHD and they want to actually
remove that roadway from that connection point to McMillan Road, which actually aligns
better with our current ordinance where we want access at the half mile and the
collector street and so this will actually do that. And in doing so staff felt it appropriate
to -- in lieu of the street, we still need to get a micropath connection because of, one,
- -block length, but, two, there is a detached sidewalk there to get kids to the school, so it
made sense if we are going to lose a street let's get at least pedestrian connection. So,
we at least want to memorialize that as part of the time extension. So, what I have done
for you is I have place a condition on the time extension that requires the pathway
connection with the third phase and as I get to the final plat after this application I will
explain that a little bit more, but we are requiring that connection with the third phase
and, then, because of the water -- Public Works tagged onto our condition and want to
make sure that we are still getting the water connection through that as well, so the
applicant has seen those conditions, they are in agreement with that, and so moving
forward you can anticipate seeing a pedestrian connection in lieu of the street
connection. I would mention that ACHD did support the removal of the street as well.
So, we did coordinate that with them as well. So, no need for Ryan to come up and
testify to that, we have got it covered, but with that new condition we are asking for your
approval this evening and I would stand for any questions you have.
De Weerd: Thank you, Bill. Council, any questions?
Rountree: I have none.
Bird: I have none, Mayor.
De Weerd: Okay. Is the applicant here? Good evening. If you will state your name
and address for the record.
Brown: For the record Kent Brown. 3161 East Springwood, Meridian, Idaho. Grateful
for staff and them kind of schooling us a little bit and helping us -- you know, do we
modify the plat, but realistically we needed this time extension. We are -- as he
mentioned the next application is the final plat. They want to begin construction as soon
as possible and we need the time extension approved and the final plat approved for
your staff to start looking at the plans type of deal. They have been sent to the highway
district and other agencies anticipating an approval. I will stand for any questions.
De Weerd: Thank you. Council, any questions?
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Bird: I have none.
Rountree: None.
De Weerd: Thank you. I do have several people who have signed up. When I call your
name if you would like to provide testimony I would welcome you forward. Carol Purcell
signed up against. Good evening. Thank you for joining us. If you will, please, state
your name and address record.
Purcell: My name is Carol Purcell and I live in Amber Creek at 204 West Whitesands
Drive --
De Weerd: Thank you.
Purcell: -- and I saw the notice at the beginning of our development that the meeting
was being held tonight regarding an extension of the timeline to complete our
development and I wanted to come down and share a very sincere concern I have with
you and I will only take a few minutes, but I think it's really important -- I didn't want --
I'm not in favor of a time extension, because I feel that there is a very important and
dangerous issue at hand that needs to be addressed more immediately and that is our
main entrance into Amber Creek is on Lava Falls and on the north side of Lava Falls
there are a number of houses with an alley behind it. That alley is adjacent to the area
that is receiving the extension or may receive the extension and that area is currently
being used as a dump and it's very dangerous for the kids to play there. I brought a few
pictures showing that the tailings from cement trucks are being dumped there. There is
old furniture. There is piles of dirt. Old wood. Garbage. Trash bags. The property has
not been maintained and when I saw that there was a possible extension I was
seriously concerned, because kids play over there. They play in the alleys and they
play over there in that open area. So, with the help of a friend I took a few pictures so
you can see the tailings and some of the garbage. The grass is concealing some of the
lumber and you can see the hills and if I could just share these with you --
De Weerd: If you can hand them to Madam Clerk.
Purcell: And I what -- what I'm -- what I'm proposing is that before any action takes
place that that issue is addressed, that no dumping signs are put up, that that area is
cleared and maintained until building can occur and that it's maintained in a way that the
children that play there are provided a much safer environment and I sincerely
appreciate your time and I would answer any questions that you might have.
De Weerd: Thank you. Council, any questions?
Bird: I have none, Mayor.
Cavener: Madam Mayor?
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De Weerd: Mr. Cavener.
Cavener: Just a quick question. I appreciate you bringing this to our attention. In your
opinion have these issues been there for a significant amount of time? Have they
shown up recently? Is there --
Purcell: They have been there for a significant time. I was one of the first homeowners
and I have been there four and a half years and the first couple of years I was there that
area -- the sage brush was cleared on -- once a -- on an annual basis. Since, then, you
will see the piles of dirt, because it's been used as a dumping area -- are quite evident
and there is just more and more trash and lumber and other people use it, not only, you
know, who -- the construction people, but it is a dumping area and kids love to go over
there -- you know, that lumber- makes -great forts and they climb on the pieces of
concrete and -- and I have grandchildren and I'm concerned about that.
De Weerd: Thank you. And thank you for bringing this to our attention.
Purcell: Thank you.
De Weerd: Letia Fasano. And I'm sorry if I just mutilated that name. Signed up
opposed. Karen Duff signed up against. Good evening. If you will, please, state your
name and address for the record.
Duff: My name is Karen Duff. I live at 4464 North Portage Avenue, Meridian, Idaho.
83646.
De Weerd: Thank you.
Duff: My home is in Cedar Springs North Subdivision and my backyard butts up to a
common area, which then hits Amber Creek and I have lived there for six and a half
years, so I can attest to her saying the junk has been there forever, because it's been
there since I have lived there, so -- and it continues to grow. My concern is the plat
where they have the alleyway with the homes, because in this particular subdivision the
homeowners and the renters are not using the alleyways as they were intended. They
seldom park in their garages, because the garages are now their junk yard and, you
know, their sheds or whatnot and they are parking on the street and going down the
street over the winter was next to impossible when you have cars parked on both sides
and you have a foot and a half -- a foot and a half of ice. Nothing's cleared. So, the
road never clears during last winter and it made it difficult. So, I don't like the plat.
don't like the -- the alleyways that are functioning here. The homeowners are not
cleaning up their yards. Code enforcement knows me personally from my own
subdivision and so, you know, I would like to see things taken care of and I don't see it
happening. The garbage she's talking about is very real, because as they were building
these homes in Amber Creek they would just pile it to the next lot and so when they
come in and they start working this next plot -- I understand they are going to do it
rather quickly -- they are hoping to. I'm concerned that they are going to continue to
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shift the garbage like they always do, rather than removing it entirely the first time
around. So, that's my say. Thank you.
De Weerd: Thank you. No, but we will get you code enforcement's phone number.
Duff: I have it on speed dial.
De Weerd: Oh, you already know it. Yeah. Okay. This is a public hearing. Is there
anyone else who would like to provide testimony? Okay. Kent. That's hard to follow,
uh?
Brown: I had fun talking to Karen outside and -- and what they understood is that by
doing the extension we would be delaying doing anything is what Karen told me and our
intent is to -- to get it done and the area where the concrete piles -- I know what they do
is they -- I poured concrete for ten years for a living and they would tell you to pour it
into a pile, so that they could come in and pick it up and it looks like they have stacked
those piles in a location and whether that's from the house construction or the
subdivision roads -- I'm new enough on this project to not know, but it looks like they are
like from the house clean up when they tell them to wash out in certain areas. But the
area that she showed as the dump area is the part that is in the phase that we want to
build and the area that we want to park. Currently there isn't -- very little open space in
there. I know it's -- it might not be appropriate, Ted, but can we show the portion that
we want to do immediately, even though we are talking about the overall site that -- is
that appropriate or is that not appropriate?
Baird: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, it's in response to the allegation of
where the -- where the dump is and if that's an issue that you're going to take into
consideration with your approval or denial of the time extension I think he should be
allowed to --
Brown: It helps us show what's done and the areas that's left to be done and I think --
De Weerd: I don't know. I think, really, the issue is get rid of the junk.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: Kent, you're asking for a time extension.
Brown: Yes, sir.
Bird: But you're telling me you're getting right on this. I -- I have no problem giving you
a time extension, but there is going to be some stuff attached to it, like immediately
cleaning that junk up. It should have never been allowed out there. Our code -- if our
code was called and they didn't do something about it, we need to -- I'm sure the Mayor
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will find out about that, but I -- you're asking for a time extension and you're going to get
right on this, but the junk is still there. Let's get that cleaned up and, then, start our
building. It's an eye sore.
Brown: And I would agree and I don't see that -- that being an issue for us to make the
a priority as part of getting a time extension to make that happen, so --
Bird: You would have no problem with that being a condition on this time extension and
getting it done?
Brown: I agree.
Bird: Okay.
De Weerd: So, I guess, Kent, I have a question in terms of -- it sounds like the
developer is -- is still the HOA.
Brown: Pardon me?
De Weerd: Is the --
Brown: Yes. That's correct. The developer is over all open space or the fencing and
the common areas and there is very little currently, yes.
De Weerd: Well, I'm sure the developer still probably is running the HOA.
Brown: Correct. Uh-huh.
De Weerd: So, the developer should pay a little bit more attention to the code issues
and it kind of sounds like there is not just the -- the garbage that we saw pictures of, but
some other items that are of concern. So, if there is a chance that we can get whoever
this person is and their contact number that we can pass on to Lieutenant Overton over
there, that he can pass on to code enforcement, it sounds there needs to be better
property management going on and if they want to develop they need to be better
neighbors.
Brown: I agree.
De Weerd: Okay.
Rountree: Madam Mayor, a question for --
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: A question for Kent. Are these alleys -- are they public or private?
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Brown: They are public.
Rountree: They are public. So, there is an enforcement capability. That's all I really
needed to know. Thank you.
De Weerd: Okay. Any other comments? Mr. Zaremba?
Milam: Madam Mayor?
Zaremba: Madam Mayor. Unfortunately, I have looked ahead and I have caused
myself some confusion. What I want to clarify is what we are doing the time extension
on. The next item is Amber Creek No. 2 and we talk about withdrawing the plat. Is that
a different piece of property than Amber Creek?
Brown: Amber Creek Two is -- Ted?
Zaremba: I don't want to jump ahead --
Brown: Amber Creek Two is --
Zaremba: If that's going to be a discussion about withdrawing the plat, what are we
extending this time?
Brown: You're extending the entire preliminary plat --
Zaremba: It does or not include -- it does not include our next subject?
Brown: It includes almost all of the subject here,.
Baird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Baird.
Baird: I wanted to avoid having a direct conversation with Mr. Brown, that's why I was
pointing at you, since all questions should come through you, I wanted to acknowledge
that. But, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, I think because we are talking about
time extensions here, that it might be helpful if Bill did give you the bigger picture about
why you have one before the other. I don't think it's messing up the record. I think it's
good information for you to have. So, if it's in your discretion to request that, I would
suggest it.
De Weerd: Okay. Well, let's --
Rountree: April 10th.
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Baird: In furtherance of answering Mr. Zaremba's question, I guess, is what I'm saying,
is that big picture is helpful. Thank you.
Brown: Madam Mayor? I don't have a final plat if I don't have a time extension. So, I
need a time extension for me to move forward with a final plat. If you choose to deny
my time extension, then, the process for us is to start all over with a new preliminary plat
and bring that forward to you and, then, upon approval of the preliminary plat, then,
bring a final plat. So, the reason that the next item is it's a final plat and this is the item
that's before you as a time extension.
De Weerd: Well, as long as Mr. Baird just told us we can move to the next item, while
keeping this one open --
Baird: Madam Mayor, I was only suggesting that you hear what he had to say about the
whole picture. I think to keep the record straight let's do them one at a time. I wasn't
suggesting that. Sorry if I'm confusing things.
De Weerd: Okay.
Baird: I was just -- the explanation that you heard I think was answering Mr. Zaremba's
question and Mr. Brown was hesitant to give you that information. I was just
encouraging to get it out there.
Brown: I could try.
De Weerd: Now that we have all gotten it out there --
Rountree: Madam Mayor? If I might just make a comment. It seems to me that the
final plat is the key issue here and getting to there is -- this is just one step towards it.
We have the final approval or non -approval of the final plat. My suggestion would be --
even though I hate to reward anybody that's not been a particularly good neighbor to
move forward with the time extension and hold off any action on the final plat until we
get assurances from this developer, who apparently is operating the HOA, that he's
going to be a better neighbor and there is going to be some conditions levied against
that final plat that he's going to have to meet. I'm in no hurry to have another
community developing in Meridian that is not taken care of and I have said that before
and I'm -- for a long time, that there is no rush on my part to create more problems for
the citizens of Meridian and our code enforcement people. So, that would be my
suggestion. If that's consistent with Mr. Baird's analysis that we can still request the
conditions at the final plat stage. If not, then, we better do it with the time extension.
De Weerd: Mr. Baird.
Baird: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, I would suggest that you do them both.
It makes it crystal clear that the -- to get the time extension you have got the
requirements, but before any action on the final plat, same requirements there, so --
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Rountree: All right.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I agree with that. I think that for the benefit of ourselves and also for our citizens
and everything that we got to put these conditions on both and I mean if we give him his
time extensions there is no guarantee that the final plat is going to pass.
Rountree: True.
Bird: So, I for one would -- let's just get this time extension solved, whether we are
going to or not, and, then, we will go to the final plat and see if we solve it nor not.
That's my personal opinion.
Milam: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mrs. Milam.
Milam: I just need to state for the record that I own a home in this subdivision. I don't
know if that matters or not, but -- I do not reside there, but I own a home in Amber
Creek. I don't know if --
De Weerd: I don't know. Mr. Baird, I --
Baird: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, I'm running the script through my head
that we go through and we look at whether you have a conflict and the question that you
need to ask yourself is whether your participation in this would result in a financial gain
to your household. I think the answer to that is probably no. If you disagree we can
have a chat about that on a side bar, but I appreciate you asking the question and
think you're okay to deliberate.
Milam: I told Bill before -- I e-mailed him when I saw this coming and he said, no,
could --
Baird: There you go. It's on the record.
De Weerd: Okay. Lieutenant Overton.
Overton: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, just to get it out there, I'm not
prepared to answer where we are at on Amber Creek. I do know that code has been
mentioning Amber Creek for several years. I apologize if it's not in the state it should
be, but code enforcement doesn't care where you issue a time extension or not. They
meet tomorrow morning for their weekly meeting and they will be meeting with me
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tomorrow morning for their weekly meeting. They will go over this and make sure it's
addressed. So, I would expect when the applicant leaves here today and the neighbors
leave here today, they can rest assured -- it doesn't matter to me what happens next,
but we will be addressing this tomorrow morning.
De Weerd: So -- was it your turn?
Brown: I don't know. But I have a suggestion I guess.
De Weerd: Okay.
Brown: As I understand the process, your Public Works Department does not begin
reviewing our plans, which is vital for us for a final plat, until this hearing and we are
approve for the final plat. I really appreciate what Councilman Rountree said and as a
suggestion that there is -- this area that's -- Carol. I forgot what her name was. Carol
talked about and provided pictures of as being a dump, my -- my clients can go take
care of that and clean that area up and have that looked at by someone from Public
Works before they start reviewing our plans would be a suggestion as a possible
condition for the time extension that would help address those concerns that you have
there. I know that development -- and especially developers they hire management
companies and it doesn't sound like that they have been doing a very good job of this
location, so I apologize. But that's maybe a possible solution to the time extension and
getting that resolved before granting approval for this.
De Weerd: And you just got on this not too long ago. Welcome.
Brown: Yes.
Brown: It goes with the job.
Rountree: You're the messenger.
Bird: Yeah.
De Weerd: Yeah. We won't kill the messenger
needed?
Bird: I have none.
Rountree: No.
De Weerd: Okay. Thank you.
Brown: Thank you.
De Weerd: Okay. If there is nothing further --
Council, any other information
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Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes, Mr. Bird.
Bird: I move we close the public hearing on TEC 14-004.
Milam: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing on Item 8-K. All
those in favor say aye. All ayes.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Borton: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Borton.
Borton: For discussion purposes, I have got just some -- some general concern when
you see five time extensions and preliminary plat that have a public approval process,
neighborhood meetings, it encourages people to come and discuss in a meeting like
tonight concerns about a preliminary plat. Time extensions are discretionary, but I don't
-- they are not automatic and, boy, five is a lot and this was originally approved in 2006
and it's a totally different -- totally different city and a different community around this
project, so I struggled with a fifth time extension. I would probably struggle with a fifth
time extension on just about any fifth time extension that comes up. In this case it's not
Mr. Brown's fault, he's new to the project, but -- but it is problematic, because I don't
think -- this is a public hearing, but when a member of the public notifies that there is a
time extension at issue that doesn't really jazz you up as much as perhaps a preliminary
plat public hearing in which you might want to be more actively involved and participate.
So, that concern makes me -- gives me pause on this one in particular.
Milam: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mrs. Milam.
Milam: In response to Mr. Borton's comments, I -- I agree with that, with the exception
of what the economy and the housing market has been like for the last five, six years.
You know, I think that we all are aware of that situation and, you know, you see -- you
know, you have plans and, then, everything crashes and you're not able to build in on
the houses that you had planned in the amount of time that you had planned. I can see
over the last several years why developers would be extending. But in general I
definitely agree with you.
De Weerd: Okay. Well, any other comments or do we have a motion?
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Rountree: Madam Mayor. I guess I would just add to those comments with some
reluctancy on this project that apparently the alley -- alley -load product has not been
successful in this area. I don't know if that's because of the -- the design and type of
dwelling that's going on or the lack of -- of the homeowners association and/or
enforcement to be able to deal with it and I'm not sure on record how -- the design type
and quality of materials that were ultimately -- were originally included with this, even
though it would have a new -- would have to meet our new UDC conditions, but -- but
maybe a redo is in order. I -- I don't know. I agree with Joe, five times is -- is plenty,
even though it sounds like this -- and the next applicant -- and the next item on our
agenda is that it's done. It's just a concern I have with it.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: Let me put a motion out there and we will see whether it votes yea or nay and I
might not even vote yea, even though I'm making the motion. I move that we approve
TEC 14-004 with the conditions that the existing property be cleaned within one week to
the satisfaction of our code enforcement officers and if it is not done the time extension
is pulled.
De Weerd: Can we do that? I think that sounds great, but can we do that?
Baird: You would have to do a conditional approval. What I would suggest if you want
to have it cleaned up in a week is that you continue this matter for a report next week
from the code enforcement people.
Bird: That's what I would -- that was my first thought and, then, I thought -- after Kent
was up here I thought, well, we need to do something and I didn't know if we could. I
would -- to be truthful with you, I'd like to see both of these continued until next week
and -- and let's see if they get that thing cleaned up, then, we will have it -- we will have
a clear picture next week whether yea or nay. I don't like time extensions five times
either, but since 2008 the economy hasn't been really good and we have -- we have
also done some time extensions the third and fourth times here in the last couple of
years because of it, so while I don't like it -- and I'm like Councilman Rountree, I'd like to
see them start over at times, but I think that -- I think that seeing how we didn't get a
motion on that -- or second on that motion, I would move that we continue Amber Creek
TEC 14-004 until April 22nd, 2014.
Zaremba: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to continue the public hearing on Item 8-K
until next week, April 22nd. All those in favor say aye. Any opposed? Okay.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
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L. FP 14-012 Ambercreek No. 2 by Trilogy Idaho Located
Southwest Corner of W. McMillan Road and N. Meridian Road
Request: Final Plat Approval Consisting of Fifty -Four (54)
Single Family Residential Building Lots and Two (2) Common
Lots on 10.58 Acres of Land in an R-8 Zoning District
De Weerd: On Item 8-L would that be your desire as well?
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: 1 would move that we continue FP 14-012 to April 22nd, 2014.
Rountree: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to continue Item 8-L until next week. All
those in favor say aye. All ayes.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Item 9: Department Reports
A. Mayor's Office: Resolution No. 14-985: Re -Appointment of
David Ballard to Seat 1, JoAnn Bujarski to Seat 2 and Jack
McGee to Seat 3 of the Meridian Transportation Commission
De Weerd: Item No. 9-A. Council, in front of you you do have a request for
reappointment of three of our existing commissioners to the Meridian Transportation
Commission. As you know, this is a newly combined and established commission and
we staggered the seats and so this is just kind of a clean-up. All three of these
members do desire to continue to serve and I ask you to confirm these appointments.
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: I move that we approve Item 9-A, Resolution No. 14-985, appointing David
Ballard and JoAnn Bujarski and Jack McGee to the Meridian Transportation
Commission.
Zaremba: Second. And discussion if I may.
De Weerd: Yes. I have a motion and a second. Mr. Zaremba.
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Zaremba: I just wanted to comment -- I attend these meetings as well and all three of
these people have contributed. I support having them reappointed. I was just going to
clarify for the record that they were appointed to one year terms the first time, so that we
-- since everybody started at the same time on the commission, that we would end up
with staggered terms and that even though their last term was one year, this new term
would be three years, if I --
De Weerd: That's correct.
Zaremba: -- that's correct, so --
De Weerd: Thank you. Okay. Madam Clerk, will you call roll.
Roll Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, yea; Zaremba, yea; Borton, yea; Milam, yea; Cavener,
yea.
De Weerd: All ayes.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
B. Continued from April 8, 2014: Community Development:
Review and Approve City Roadway, Intersection, and
Community Program Project Priorities for 2014
De Weerd: Item 9-B is continued from April 8th and I will turn this over to Caleb.
Hood: Thank you, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council. This item actually was
continued first from March 11th to April 8th, last week, and, then, with some direction
from you all last time to make some changes to a draft letter you had before you and
come up with a top 15 list. So, I do not plan this evening on going through the priorities
that we have looked at the past two meetings. I do have them here if you want to look
at them anymore. I did provide a memo dated April 10 for tonight's hearing. I would like
to spend a little bit of time -- if you can look at page two of that memo and the overall
priority ranking -- again, the top 15 that ACHD has asked us for. This is my first brush,
my take on what our top 15 list could look like, but this is just me individually. I have not
received any other comments from anyone else. In the first table there I have got the
overall top 15 and, then, on the right-hand side how that project ranks either as a
roadway project or an intersection project. The one on that list that I would -- well, a
couple things to call out for you. Number 15 on what I will call my top 15 isn't number
ten roadway project, it's, in fact, number 21 roadway project. So, that one leap frogged
ten other projects to make it into the top ten. A little bit of my -- my thinking on that. the
Mayor made a comment last week about south Meridian and some of where we are
starting to see some growth. And so Locust Grove, Amity to Victory, if there is one
roadway in south Meridian that isn't on your list on Eagle, Amity to Victory, is already on
the list, but the parallel road at Locust Grove is also in need. The level of service is right
there. It's on a corridor and in an area of south Meridian where we are seeing a lot of
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development happening, even points south of there, but folks use this section of Locust
Grove to commute more north. So, that project leap frogged again to the number ten
roadway project, which would have been Linder Road, Cherry to Ustick. So, other than
that, the top 15 is, essentially, in order of the roadway projects. Just another thing to
call out. There are three projects in these top 15 that are in south Meridian. So, I don't
know if anyone's keeping score there, but -- but just -- if you kind of look at Meridian --
De Weerd: No one is.
Hood: -- you know, if you look at three out of 15, rough proportionality there, roughly a
third of our lane miles would be in south Meridian and two-thirds would be north of the
freeway. So, to me there is some, you know, litmus test there of, okay, that seems
about right. Now, if these are the right projects or not, again, there is your discretion
there to say this list you don't like it or move this up or down, but this is, essentially,
based on our priority list within the caveat the number 15 is actually the number one --
21 roadway project now and I would pause to see how you like that, because if you like
that project being in the top 15, 1 maybe have a suggestion to the roadway project list to
kind of clean that up, so that that project, then, in above -- on the roadway list as well,
so, Madam Mayor, again, if I could pause there and see how the Council maybe just --
how we feel about this being the top 15. And, then, I would also put there on the bottom
two columns what are the next five in each category, so if you want to move some stuff
around you have it all there on one sheet to look at.
De Weerd: Thank you. Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor. I -- I appreciate your going through this, Caleb, and putting it
in this order. It alerts me to something I probably should have noticed before and that is
what you have as number 13, the Chinden-Ten Mile intersection. Isn't that already
being done and, you know, some -- we have discussed in the past whether you leave
something on the list or if it drops off suddenly they say they don't want this and they
remove it. But if that one is already done I would say number six, Ustick-Black Cat up
into that spot.
Hood: Madam Mayor, just an update or a -- what the scope of that project actually is.
So, Walmart is doing a developer project with ACHD to that intersection. However, they
are not building it out to its ultimate configuration. They are adding some turn lanes and
there will be a signal put in, but it's more like an interim condition than the ultimate
configuration for that intersection. So, they are really doing what's necessary for the
Walmart patrons if you will. I mean other motorists will be able to use those
improvements as well, but it's not the full intersection improvements in all legs. So -- it
could go down.
Zaremba: Okay. In that case I would leave it alone the way you have it.
Hood: But I just wanted to -- identification here, in six months when they build the
project it's not going to be the ultimate configuration, it still will need some work. But
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there are some substantial improvements there still. So, if you wanted to move that
down -- I could see going either way. I just wanted to let you know it's not the ultimate
configuration being built my Walmart.
Zaremba: It's not final and perfect.
Hood: Yes.
Zaremba: Thank you.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird
Bird: Caleb, while every one of them is number -- number one, I think you have done a
great job, to be truthful with you, of doing this. They are all very, very, very important
and, you know, if we can get four of five of them accomplished this time around it would
be great. Hopefully we get all 15, but we know we are not. And, like I said, in my book
everyone of them could be number one.
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yeah, Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: The only suggestion I would make for consideration is moving the next five
roadways -- the 13th one, Pine Avenue, Meridian to Locust Grove, up to ten to replace
Ustick Road or -- no. Number eight, Locust Grove, Fairview to Ustick. It seems to me
that Pine gets a lot of traffic on a -- on an old narrow two lane road and Locust Grove at
this point in time in that section is at least a fairly modern three -lane facility with curb,
gutter, sidewalk and -- and -- anyway. Just throw that out.
De Weerd: That one's going to be a challenge at best anyway. I would also ask Ustick-
Meridian move to the top of the next five intersections as well. That area can back up
tremendously and while I appreciate the temporary intersection light there, it's really in
need of -- of an improvement.
Hood: Madam Mayor, just for clarification. Would Ustick-Meridian then jump to number
six out of Ustick-Black Cat or are you moving it all the way up into the top 16?
De Weerd: Frankly, I think it's more important than Amity and Ten Mile. Yeah, I
actually think that's a high priority intersection improvement. So -- and I'm not an
engineer, I just --
Rountree: You sit there.
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De Weerd: I do. I sit there a lot. I don't live in that area, but I think like many we travel
through that area and it's -- it's by a park that is heavily used and I -- it's -- yeah, I think
it's one of our top priorities in intersection improvements, so, I guess, yeah, you asked
the right question that now I changed my mind and want it on a priority list. If Council
supports that.
Rountree: I'm okay.
Bird: I would certainly support that.
De Weerd: And I guess if you're wondering where to put it, you can -- in my opinion
change out the Amity -Ten Mile for that one and you can put it to the top of the list. I
don't know where to put if
Hood: Do you want to -- Madam Mayor, if I may, though, we can -- I could put it at the
top of the list and just slide everything down or if you want to swap it out I could do that,
too. It's -- if you just put it up it just pushes everything down one versus taking Amity -
Ten Mile and moving it down substantially.
De Weerd: I would not want to move Locust Grove, Victory to Overland, off of that.
So --
Bird: I would just exchange it.
Hood: For Amity -Ten Mile.
Bird: Yes, because I think she had a -- that one's used a lot more than Ten Mile and
Amity is, in my opinion. I have never seen cars backed up there like you do at Meridian
and Ustick.
Hood: And if I can -- so, these changes on the top 15, is everyone comfortable with me,
then, making the changes to our -- our overall roadway and intersection priority list
accordingly, so they match up? Okay.
De Weerd: Uh-huh.
Rountree: Yeah.
Bird: Yeah.
De Weerd: And just -- are we going to put that intersection up on -- in a top three?
Hood: So, Madam Mayor, what I heard was I am taking Amity -Ten Mile and that will be
our new number nine priority intersection project out of the top 15. Franklin -Black Cat
will be our number one intersection, with Ustick-Meridian being the number two and on
our number seven overall.
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De Weerd: So, I -- yeah. No, I think it needs to have a higher priority.
Hood: Number one? Or higher priority on the top 15?
De Weerd: Higher priority as -- as the intersection improvement. Yes. A higher --
Hood: A higher number.
De Weerd: Well, yeah, I would put that as number six and Franklin -Black Cat as
number seven.
Hood: Okay.
Bird: Yeah. Agree.
Milam: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Uh-huh.
Milam: Sorry. Is it not better to do the intersection at the same time as you're doing the
road that's right there or is it better to space them out and like constantly be doing
construction.
De Weerd: We like to constantly be doing construction.
Milam: Have the road on there.
Rountree: Ryan is probably going to state this, but we need time in order to accumulate
enough funds to do a project of that size and a roadway and an intersection are going to
gobble up probably everything they are going to spend in Meridian at some point in time
in 2016, '17, '18 and that's what we are going to get, not anything else.
De Weerd: And an improved intersection moves traffic with the turn lanes much --
much better, so -- oh, hi, Ryan.
Head: Hi, how are you, Mayor. Ryan Head. Ada County Highway District. Again,
3775 Adams Street, Garden City. I guess I would just give you some insight into this
process. You may -- may provide whatever prioritization you would like and I won't own
a piece of it. However, the Franklin -Black Cat project has federal funds at this point in
time and we do not foresee that going away. So, it's -- that project moving forward is
likely and it will go forward. As well as Ustick and Meridian we are wrapping up design
at this point in time, as well -- with that intersection, as well as two files -- we call it
Ustick-Meridian and legs. The two miles -- the mile in each direction from that
intersection. We are wrapping up design. We are moving towards right of way at this
point in time. So, having it in your top priorities helps insure that we want to keep it up
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-- up with that high priority. We are anxious to move that forward and recognizing the
priority of that Ustick corridor. But where you put it on that list -- if it's in that top 15
you're probably good anywhere, so -- just to try and ease your process tonight.
De Weerd: So, basically, what I heard is we can move Franklin -Black Cat to 15 and
move everything up and make it look even better; right?
Head: I'm not meaning to shoot myself in the foot at this point in time. I just would
clarify as long as things are high priority in some way the likelihood that they will move
forward is pretty clear.
De Weerd: Okay.
Head: At the discretion of our commission.
De Weerd; Thank you so much.
Head: You're welcome.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I will ask Charlie this. On that Pine Road from -- from Meridian to Locust Grove,
how long is it going to take to buy all that right of way? Could we get -- I mean can they
get -- can they get started on that, which I know is expensive, but it isn't like putting the
road in at the time, because they phase that, Charlie, so -- I mean there is a lot of right
of way that we are going to have to buy.
Rountree: I don't know what the concept has been tossed around on that, Caleb, but
it's probably just an improved two lane facility with possibly squeezing in from maybe a
bike lane. Is that the concept?
Hood: Yeah. Council Member Rountree, Madam Mayor, Councilman Bird, there --
there has been some pretty high level concept work -- actually, there is parking on one
side of the street for portions of this mile as you enter our downtown. One side of -- do
you remember if it's going north or south? Do you remember? But bike lanes both
ways. And two -three lane roadway is what's called for in the CIP right now. You can't
just go out and buy right of way, because it does need to be designed first. So, you
can't just fast forward a property acquisition, because you do need to go through design
and figure out how much right of way you need to -- to accommodate that design. So, it
sounds good, but it -- you can't be challenged if you went and just tried to acquire the
property without having justification for how much property you actually need to buy
from somebody. So, we need to go through the process of scoping it and designing it
before we design that roadway as it enters our downtown, but starts as a five lane
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roadway at Locust Grove. There is definitely some work that needs to be done with
figuring out what exactly that road looks like.
Rountree: I can't answer your questions, it's going to take some time to figure out what
it's going to take in terms of right of way.
Bird: Yeah.
De Weerd: Any other comments on this?
Hood: Madam Mayor, I have a couple more things. I don't know if that was enough
pause on -- on that general direction. I have got some notes and what I plan on doing is
-I will reiterate everything I heard here before a motion. I did want to touch touch base
with the Council and just make sure that the letter looked okay to everyone or if there
was any other changes. I did have a draft last time. I did incorporate a new paragraph
talking about the funding levels. That was I believe Councilman Zaremba that
requested that we talk supporting ACHD as look for additional funding sources, so that's
going to be included in the letter, as well, so I just wanted to make sure that everyone
was on board. And, then, finally, we can come back to any comments you may have on
the letter. You had another item on this evening -- I can't remember the name of the
project, but it was there on Kentucky Way and I did just want to let the Council know --
this seemed to be -- I know Councilman Bird commented on it. We do have -- and this
was sort of a late add to the list of community program projects, but we do have on
there a request that the general taxpayers at ACHD retrofit portions of Kentucky Way on
our community programs project list. So, we didn't know when this was put together
where that sidewalk would go or -- but we were pretty sure that there would be some
deficiency on one side or the other or both of the roadways. So, that is on here. It's not
a very high priority, it is number 20 out of 34, but I just wanted to let you all know it is on
our list. It doesn't mean it's going to be constructed right of way, it's just we are asking
ACHD to look at it. There is right of way 50 to 60 feet -- I don't know that we ever
determined exactly how much existing right of way is out there, but it can be done. So,
again, I just wanted to try and clear the circle on that a little bit and say it -- from our
standpoint we -- I don't see it ever being sidewalk on one side of that street. Now with
ACHD -- when it ranks high enough to actually get sidewalk on both sides I don't know
that, but we are tracking it anyways is I guess my point, so -- with that, Mr. President,
Members of the Council, I would stand for any comments you have on the letter or any
other priorities before I reiterate what I heard this evening.
Rountree: Any further comments, direction?
Zaremba: Mr. President. Sorry. The paragraph that mentions funding is third from the
last in your letter and well said. Appreciate how you did that and appreciate it being
there and appreciate how you put it together. Thanks.
Rountree: Any other comments?
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Bird: I have none, Mayor.
Rountree: Caleb, just on your last point on that sidewalk, if it's community development
funds that's at the discretion of ACHD, it's not federal?
Hood: Correct. They are local funds.
Rountree: They may want to look at that and do it in conjunction with the improvements
out there and maybe even get a better price on getting that sidewalk installed with that
now as opposed to waiting for it to be prioritized to '20, because I know their board is
very much aware of the issue that some of these old county subdivisions have created
and that's a potential remedy for that one right now I think in taking care of that up front,
instead of having it going on both sides -- one side now and, then, the other side in two
or three or four years. If we got them down maybe the pressure would be off a little bit
for that next development that's coming in.
Bird: Mr. President? Caleb, that would include curb and gutter, wouldn't it, out there,
too? I just can't imagine putting in -- putting in sidewalks without curb and gutter. I
mean -- I don't care if it's detached or what it is --
Hood: Mr. President, Councilman Bird, what I have got right now in our request to
ACHD as I scope this is Main access, Victory Road for the subdivision. Sidewalk. And I
have got in parenthesis: And possibly curb and gutter, because, I don't know where that
water would go. I don't know where they would store it. So, maybe if there is curb and
gutter, but they will scope it and they will figure out if they can do curb and gutter with --
when ACHD does a project, so -- but there has got to be an engineer that's got to look
at that and figure out if you put in curb and gutter where is that water going to drain to or
even collect it. Where are you going to store it? So, right now it does say sidewalk and
pathway, curb and gutter. So, if they can get it in there they can do curb and gutter.
Bird: Yeah. If they can figure out a way to drain it.
Rountree: Well, I think we are ready for you to --
Hood: Restate.
Rountree: -- tell us what we said.
Hood: Yes. So, here is what I heard and I hope this is easiest for everybody to track.
I'm going to work off again page two, which is the overall priority ranking table and I'm
going to go just in order. I'm just going to state them all, even if there aren't -- aren't
changes to them. One. Ten Mile, Cherry to Ustick. Two. Ustick, Meridian to Locust
Grove. Three. Linder, Franklin to Cherry. Four. Ten Mile, McMillan to Chinden. Five.
Ten Mile, Ustick to McMillan. Six. Ustick-Meridian intersection. Seven. Franklin -Black
Cat intersection. Eight. Pine Avenue Meridian to Locust Grove. Nine. Eagle, Amity to
Victory -- no. Sorry. Nine. Amity -Ten Mile intersection. Ten. Eagle, Amity to Victory.
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Eleven. Ustick, Linder to Meridian. Twelve. Chinden-Meridian. Thirteen. Chinden-
Black Cat. Fourteen. Chinden-Ten Mile. Fifteen. Franklin, Black Cat to Ten Mile. And
that doesn't work, because now Locust Grove isn't in the top 15. So, what did I do
wrong? One, two, three, four, five. Oh. Sorry. Nine. Amity -Ten Mile is not nine. It
actually comes off the list and switch with Ustick -- that's what I did. So, sorry about
that. I had it right the first time. And then -- so, Amity -Ten Mile is not in the top 15, as
just stated. Everything except for Amity -Ten Mile is the same. Amity -Ten Mile comes
out. I'm sorry. I did not do a very good of summarizing what I heard.
Bird: That's fine.
Rountree: That's correct. Your list is. Any other -- any other thoughts? That's a -- and
the letter is being commented on. Do you want just a general consensus or a motion to
approve the letter and --
Hood: Mr. President -- oh, I don't know if you were directing that at Mr. Baird. I would
request a motion requesting authorization for the Mayor to sign the letter, send it to
ACRD, with our attached priorities.
Rountree: We need a motion.
Bird: Mr. President?
Rountree: Mr. Bird,
Bird: I would move that we approve the letter for the Mayor to sign and also the formula
of our priorities to ACHD.
Milam: Second,
Rountree: It's been moved and seconded to approve the prioritization list and letter to
ACHD and authorizing the Mayor to sign. All those in favor signify by aye. Those
opposed? Motion passes.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Rountree: Thank you, Caleb.
Hood: We will see you next year.
C. Community Development: Review Draft Downtown Street
Cross-section Master Plan
Rountree: Yeah. Next item is 9-C, Community Development. Brian, this is your show.
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McClure: Mr. President, Members of the Council. Thank you. I will try to be brief. I'm
here to speak to you about the downtown Meridian city core, a street -car section master
plan. I know most council members have already heard this in some form or another
several times, so I apologize in advance. When this project began we set out to
accomplish the following objective. Identify key street and street components and
preserve for them. Enhance connectivity and placement. Unify the plan and guidelines.
Clearly identify redevelopment expectations and support long range partnerships. And
what has transpired bringing to you today. The status of the working group that identify
needs of adopted guidelines and plans. Discuss challenges and goals and bring strong
solutions. We met regularly to discuss progress and to make revisions as needed. We
have engaged in public outreach that included several hundred mailers to all property
owners and physical addresses in the planning area for an open house. We also
- maintained - a website for which during the - public -review process had a online
questionnaire. We had an open house and heard Council's request. We reached out
again and targeted stakeholders. We worked according with ACHD. Planning projects
-- the draft plans through Legal, Development Services, and the traffic departments.
ACHD is currently in the process of additional internal review and coordinating -- sorry
about the mike. We are also coordinating how to integrate this in the development
review process. This plan will have an integral GIS component within the same page. It
will not just be a plan that sits on the shelf. Lastly, this draft was presented to MDC was
given their endorsement. This graphic here is -- and just in case anyone is not familiar,
this area is -- was defined as the city core in the UDC. This is an older designation that
predates Destination Downtown and overlaps several other districts, which coincides
with the license agreement area that the city has with ACHD and the boundary from
Ada to Carlton and Meridian to East 3rd. This area is all Old Town land use designation
and I think with the exception of one parcel is all Old Town zoning. Typical use. How
are we going to implement and use this? This is an example of the text. It kind of
makes your eyes hurt. But there is a lot to read here. The good news is that there is
only seven pages of text like this and half of this text here is -- I don't want to say
optimal, but it's really kind of a side bar discussion, it's an opportunity to break the
monotony a little bit and also have some education along with it. The way this
document is set up is that all the intent, history, and all condition type text is covered at
the beginning. The rest of the documents are pick and choose. You will need to review
the relevant information for the street you're interested in. We set this up to function like
cut sheets. The plan looks big and it is, but to use is much smaller. This is a corridor
description page. For the most part this is just kind of a placeholder to have some
photos that archive, you know, where we have been when we move forward. There is
also some discussion in some cases for unique conditions like Main where the split
corridor peels off. You can't really capture that in a cross-section, so we didn't even try.
But there are some discussions in here that kind of point towards what we would like to
see happen there anyways. This is an actual cut sheet or a cross-section. All these are
designed to work largely independent from most of the other pages. After you review
the first few pages, as mentioned before, you pull out the relevant cross-section and as
you can see it's mostly graphics. The cross-section is the key bit here. But the text
helps to provide framework for alternatives and needs that must be addressed
regardless of location or circumstance. The text for the cross-sections explain the
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conveyance intent and need, allowing for creativity, rather than simply listing
expectations without explanation. Flexibility is built in. This is just another one that they
all share the same kind of theme. And moving forward how this plan be used. At a
minimum city staff will use the plan in coordination with ACHD for private and public
redevelopment. It will be used to preserve and improve connectivity and encourage
safe pedestrian -bicycle environments connecting to and through downtown. The city
and ACHD may or may not make actual placement improvements apart from MDC or
redevelopment projects for that matter. But we will preserve for them. So, how is the
plan best used then? That's a little more subjective. But the heart of the plan is really to
convey the idea of the partnerships. This plan doesn't have to be illustrative to describe
sidewalk alignments in thou shalt build and install type language. In most cases there is
sidewalk and preservation for future improvements are required. It is illustrative and be
transparent, encourage ease of use and,then, promote Joint efforts to fill all the bits and --
pieces in consideration together and to be supportive of a variety of department and
agency initiatives. It is hoped that this plan can be of benefit to and used by MDC to
take in the full context of efforts to explore opportunities for the greatest return and
would also be used as a starting point for specific concept plan and construction of
actual improvements. So, where do we go from here? Hopefully Council will be
comfortable endorsing the plan at this point, in which case we were going to work with
ACHD to get commission to adopt it as an amendment to the ACHD master street map.
There is a little uncertainty over this process working with ACHD. Recently they had a
-- they had a similar project in Garden City and it kind of fell out. I'm not really sure the
specifics. That was supposed to be the pilot for this effort. As a result of that not going
through we are kind of the Guinea pigs at this point. I think everyone is trying to be
positive and avoid road bumps. I just wanted to throw that out there. We will also
continue to integrate this plan into the development review process, including
geographic information system as mentioned before. We are going to be back before
Council for adoption. Moving forward there is an opportunity for expansion. This is
something we have talked about internally and also brought up by the MDC board. The
city core isn't really a zoning designation, land use, or destination downtown district
boundary. There is some areas being excluded that we probably want to look at and
that would be Main south of Ada and Main north of Carlton or the residential area to the
west and east of the city core and we do want to preserve for parkways, for example.
So, what is this plan? It doesn't make money, but describes a whole host of nice to
have that are often more expensive, especially to in -fill projects that are more costly to
convert into a green field development. You know, old stuff is always harder to retrofit.
You never know what you are going to get and so these projects usually tend to cost a
bit more. Some will fall on larger development agencies, as it's not feasible to expect
most of this from small parcel development. In fact, the plan says this. There is,
essentially, three categories of redevelopment that outline the broader higher level
expectations of requirements. There is instructions for agencies, for small parcel
redevelopment and from the majority of the block a greater development. In all cases,
though, it's really going to take everyone chipping in to get a lot of this done. There are
some suggestions for prioritization of improvements, but in all cases that will be
something that MDC will have to decide upon and lead. It is not feasible for them to do
all this, though. They don't have the budget. It is going to take everyone pitching in
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finding grants and other sources of funding and occur over a long period of time. With
that I will stand for any questions.
Rountree: Questions for Brian?
Bird: I have none.
Rountree: Ryan, can you address what the downfall was in Garden City? And if we fell
into the same trap.
Head: Councilman Rountree -- or Council. Ryan Head, Ada County Highway District.
3775 Adams Street again. No -- and I wouldn't say that you're falling into any trap, it's --
at this point in time we justneedto work through how we are going to incorporate it and,
really, that's the question. It's a matter of how. With the Garden City plan we just -- and
in all truthfulness we had an issue with our consultant and our working through finalizing
the plan, which is why it has not been incorporated yet, so -- we are working it out. So,
this -- we have -- we are already planning for in the next month or so having a summit to
work with your staff on how -- how we could incorporate it that would best serve you and
ACHD at the same time.
Rountree: Thank you for that clarification. Appreciate that. Comments? David?
Zaremba: Just a question. Is there any chance that any of these projects might quality
for CDBG funds?
McClure: Council President, Councilman Zaremba, Lori is going to be the person that
can really ace that question. My understanding is CDBG funds would be usable. It
can't be something that ACHD has already got scoped to occur within the next five
years. So, if it's not something in their community development program CDBG dollars
could potentially be -- be used for that. The likelihood of that I don't know. Lori's got
kind of a test project going on on Idaho west of Main -- Meridian Road that's supposed
to take place relatively soon I think and we will kind of see how HUD feels about that
project and, then, maybe after that if it is successful there will be some more
opportunity.
Zaremba: Thanks.
Rountree: Any other questions? What kind of timeline are we looking at in terms of
getting -- seeing this back and for our ultimately approval?
McClure: Council President, my understanding is tentatively we are scheduled to go
before ACHD commission in May.
Rountree: Okay.
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McClure: Mid May. And then -- and after that any changes we could be right back
before you.
Rountree: Okay. June, July, maybe? Okay.
Hood: Mr. President, I was just -- a couple quick things. You all should have received
in your mailbox a CD of the plan. Like Brian stated, it's pretty large. Don't expect you to
read every word. But over the next couple of months we would like you to be
comfortable with it, so when we come back June or whenever we are ready that you're
comfortable and familiar with it then. And just a quick shout out to Brain. I mean there
is a lot of work here, so I don't know if you have had a chance to look at it or -- there is
so much here, but it's a pretty quality document and it's been almost right exactly a year
--I think ago that we started this -- something that we initiated with your blessing that we
first brought up in our strategic plan in working with MDC. So, appreciate all his work. I
won't go through all the other -- he mentioned the steps, you know, about engaging
folks and the MDC board and ACHD and all that, but I really do appreciate his work on
this project.
Rountree: Very good. Thank you.
Milan: Thank you.
Rountree: Nothing further?
Bird: I have none.
Item 10: Future Meeting Topics
Rountree: Then Item 10, Future Meeting Topics.
Bird: I have nothing.
Zaremba: Mr. President?
Rountree: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: It's not really an item, but just thinking ahead to May, there is a primary
election on one of our Tuesdays, which means our meeting would move to Wednesday.
Rountree: That's correct. So, Madam Clerk has probably got that noted for us, so she
will take care of that.
Zaremba: I forget what --
Bird: It would be the third one. We go to the 21 st.
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Rountree: Yeah. No future topics? Motion to adjourn.
Bird: So moved.
Borton: Second.
Rountree: Motion and second to adjourn. All in favor?
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Rountree: We are adjourned.
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 9:35 P.M.
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