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CITY COUNCIL REGULAR
MEETING AGENDA
Tuesday, July 17, 2012 at 7:00 PM
1. Roll-Call Attendance
X David Zaremba X Brad Hoaglun
X Charlie Rountree X Keith Bird
X Mayor Tammy de Weerd
2. Pledge of Allegiance
3. Community Invocation by Gordon Slyter with Treasure Valley
Worship Center
4. Adoption of the Agenda Adopted
5. Consent Agenda ApprovedPages 2-3
A. Approval of Award of Bid and Agreement for Independent
Contractor Services for "WWTP Reclaimed Water Onsite
Irrigation" to American General Contractors, INC. for aNot-To-
Exceed amount of $103,943.00.
B. Non-Disclosure Agreement with A-T Solutions
C. Temporary Construction Easement Agreement with Lynx
Investments, LP
D. Water Main Easement Agreement with MGT Legacy Church
E. Water Easement for Meridian High School Tennis Courts
F. Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law for Approval: MDA 12-
003 Hollybrook by Kevin Howell Construction Located at West
Side of N. Arrowwood Way; North of E. Ustick Road Request:
Amend the Recorded Development Agreement (Instrument
#105195857) for the Purpose of Modifying the Concept Plan
and Building Elevations Approved with the Hollybrook
Subdivision
6. Items Moved From Consent Agenda None
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7. Department Reports
A. Clerk's Office: Approval of New Beer/VUine/Liquor License
application for Big AI's III Inc. dba Big AI's located at 1900 N.
Eagle Rd.
Item Moved to Consent Item 5G Page 3
8. Action Items
A. FP 12-011 Solitude Place Subdivision No. 3 by M2 Land, LLC
Located Southeast Corner of N. Meridian Road and E. McMillan
Road Request: Final Plat Consisting of 63 Building Lots and 7
Common/Other Lots on 17.9 Acres of Land in an R-8 Zoning
District Approved Pages 3-5
B. Public Hearing: PP 12-007 Reserve West by ERD, LLC Located
West of N. Locust Grove Road and East of N. Jericho Road
Request: Preliminary Plat Approval of 14 Residential Lots and
2 Common Lots on 5.02 Acres in an Existing R-4 Zone
Approved Pages 5-16
C. Public Hearing: AZ 12-002 Paramount North by Brighton
Development, Inc. Located West of N. Meridian Road, Midway
Between W. Chinden Boulevard and W. McMillan Road
Request: Annexation and Zoning of 10.03 Acres of Land with
an R-8 Zoning District Approved Pages 16-19
D. Public Hearing: PP 12-006 Paramount North by Brighton
Development, Inc. Located West of N. Meridian Road, Midway
Between W. Chinden Boulevard and W. McMillan Road
Request: Preliminary Plat Approval Consisting of 77 Single-
Family Residential Building Lots and Six (6) Common Area
Lots on 26.52 Acres of Land in an R-8 Zoning District
Approved Pages 16-19
E. Public Hearing: VAC 12-001 Sond by Greg Renfrow Located at
4871 W. Grey Towers Drive Request: Vacation of a 10-Foot
Wide Public Utility, Drainage and Irrigation Easement Shared
on the Interior Lot Line of Lot 4 and Lot 5, Block 3 of the Sond
Subdivision Approved Pages 19-22
F. Public Hearing: VAR 12-002 Meridian Town Center by Idaho
Electric Signs Located Northeast Corner of N. Eagle Road and
E. Fairview Avenue at 2200 N. Eagle Road Request: Variance
to UDC 11-3D-8F.4d to Exceed the Maximum Background Area
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Allowed of 200 Square Feet for Free-Standing Signs Approved
Pages 22-26
G. Amended onto the Agenda: Resolution No. 12-854: A
Resolution Vacating a 10 Foot Wide Public Utility Drainage and
Irrigation Easement Centered on the Common Line Between
Lot 4 and 5, Block 3 of Sond Subdivision (VAC 12-001)
Approved Pages 26-27
9. Future Meeting Topics None
Adjourned at 8:09 p.m.
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Meridian City Council July 17, 2012
A meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order at 7:03 p.m., Tuesday, July
17, 2012, by President Brad Hoaglun.
Members Present: Mayor Tammy de Weerd, David Zaremba, Keith Bird, Brad Hoaglun
and Charlie Rountree.
Others Present: Bill Nary, Jaycee Holman, Bruce Chatterton, Sonya Watters, Clint
Dolsby, Jamie Leslie, Chris Amenn and Dean Willis.
Item 1: Roll-call Attendance:
Roll call.
X David Zaremba X Brad Hoaglun
X Charlie Rountree X Keith Bird
Mayor Tammy de Weerd
De Weerd: Thank you for your patience. We are starting a flew minutes late, but thank
you for joining us. For the record it is Tuesday, July 17th. We will start tonight's regular
Council agenda with roll call attendance. Madam Clerk.
Item 2: Pledge of Allegiance
De Weerd: Item No. 2 is the Pledge of Allegiance. if you will all rise and join us in the
pledge.
(Pledge of Allegiance recited.)
Item 3: Community Invocation by Gordon Slyter with Treasure Valley
Worship Center
De Weerd: Item No. 3 is our community invocation. We will be led tonight by Pastor
Gordon Slyter. I thought I saw you in the back. Thank you for joining us. If you will all
join us in the community invocation or take this as an opportunity for a moment of
reflection.
Slyter: Our Father in Heaven, we thank you for this wonderful day that you have given
us. We thank you for this great city we have the privilege of living in. Thank you, Lord,
for those who serve in various capacities on the Council, on the various departments,
city and fire protection. We pray tonight for wisdom far those who will make decisions,
any issues that come before the Council, Lard. Your word says that if we lack wisdom
we are to ask and you give generously without reproach. So, tonight we thank you in
advance for wisdom and we thank you, Lord, for this great city where we live and we
ask your continued blessing upon us. We pray this in Jesus' name, amen.
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Item 4: Adoption of the Agenda
De Weerd: Thank you far kicking us off. Item No. 4 is Adoption of the Agenda
Noaglun: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Noaglun.
Noaglun: A couple of minor changes to the agenda to go through here. Under 7-A,
Department Report, the Clerk's office approval of new beer and wine liquor license, all
the items needed have been received from the state and the county, sa we can move
this to the Consent Agenda as Item 5-H. And also we need to add under Action Items
8-G -- and this is Resolution No. 12-854, a resolution vacating a ten foat wide public
utility drainage and irrigation easement centered on the common line between Lots 4
and 5, Block 3 of Sond Subdivision. So, with those two additions, Madam Mayor, I
move adoption of the agenda as amended.
Rountree: Second
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to adopt the agenda as amended. All those
in favor say aye. All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Item 5: Consent Agenda
A. Approval of Award of Bid and Agreement for Independent
Contractor Services for "WWTP Reclaimed Water Onsite
Irrigation" to American General Contractors, INC. for aNot-To-
Exceed amount of $103,943.00.
B. Non-Disclosure Agreement with A-T Solutions
C. Temporary Construction Easement Agreement with Lynx
Investments, LP
D. Water Main Easement Agreement with MGT Legacy Church
E. Water Easement for Meridian High School Tennis Courts
F. Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law for Approval: MDA 12-
003 Hollybrook by Kevin Howell Construction Located at West
Side of N. Arrowwood Way; North of E. Ustick Road Request:
Amend the Recorded Development Agreement (Instrument
#105'195857) for the Purpose of Modifying the Concept Plan
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and Building Elevations Approved with the Hollybrook
Subdivision
G. Clerk's Office: Approval of New Beer/VNine/Liquor License
application for Big AI's III Inc. dba Big AI's located at 1900 N.
Eagle Rd.
De Weerd: Item No 5, Consent Agenda.
Hoaglun: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: 1 move approval of the Consent Agenda and the Mayor to sign and the Clerk
to attest.
Rountree; Second.
De Weerd; I have a motion and second to approve the Consent Agenda.
Hoaglun: And, Madam Mayor, that did include 5-H as well.
De Weerd: Thank yau. Madam Clerk.
Roll Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, yea; Zaremba, yea; Hoaglun, yea.
De Weerd: All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Item 6: Items Moved From Consent Agenda
De Weerd: There were no items moved from the Consent Agenda.
Item 7: Department Reports
A. Clerk's Office: Approval of New Beer/WinelLiquor License
application for Big AI's III Inc. dba Big AI's located at 1900 N.
Eagle Rd. Item Moved to Consent Item 5G
De Weerd: Actually, there were items moved to the Consent Agenda.
Item 8: Action items
A. FP 12-011 Solitude Place Subdivision No. 3 by M2 Land, LLC
Located Southeast Corner of N. Meridian Road and E. McMillan
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Road Request: Final Plat Consisting of fi3 Building Lots and 7
Common/Other Lots on 17.9 Acres of Land in an R~8 Zoning
District
De Weerd: We will move to Item No. 8 under 8-A on final plat 12-011. I will ask for staff
comments.
Wafters: Thank you, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council. The first application
before you is a final plat application for Solitude Place Subdivision No. 3. The site is
located on the southeast corner of North Meridian Road and East McMillan Road. The
applicant requests final plat approval of the third and final phase of Solitude Subdivision,
consisting of 63 buildable lots and seven common lots on 17.9 acres of land, zoned R-8.
The proposed plat contains 2.12 acres of open space, consisting of street buffers and a
landscape common area containing a pathway and seepage bed. The gross density of
this phase is 3.52 dwelling units per acre. You can see there an the left-hand side of
the screen that's the preliminary plat with the final plat on the north end there and the
final plat and landscape plan that's proposed. Staff has reviewed the proposed final plat
for consistency with the approved preliminary plat and found there to be an increase in
open space and six fewer building lots than shown on the preliminary plat. Overall the
amount of open space provided for the subdivision exceeds the minimum required of
ten percent. Because the number of building lots is fewer and the amount of common
open space has increased, staff finds the proposed plat to be in substantial compliance
with the approved preliminary plat as required. There are no outstanding issues for the
City Council. Written testimony was received from Becky McKay, the applicant's
representative, in agreement with the staff report. Staff is recommending approval of
the proposed final plat.
De Weerd: Council, any questions for staff at this point?
Bird: I have none.
Rountree: I have none.
De Weerd: Okay. Becky, any comments?
Wafters: I believe Shari Stiles is here representing the applicant.
De Weerd: Oh. It was someone that looked like Becky. I didn't have my glasses on.
Hi, Shari. Okay. No comments? Okay. Council, anything on this item?
Bird: I have none.
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
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Rountree: I move that we approve Item 8-A, FP 12-011 for Solitude Place.
Bird: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to approve Item 8-A. If there is no
discussion, Madam Clerk.
Roll Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, yea; Zaremba, yea; Hoaglun, yea.
De Weerd: All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
B. Public Hearing: PP 12-007 Reserve West by ERD, LLC Located
West of N. Locust Grove Road and East of N. Jericho Road
Request: Preliminary Plat Approval of 14 Residential Lots and
2 Common Lots on 5.02 Acres in an Existing R-4 Zone
De Weerd: Item 8-B is a public hearing on PP 12-007. I will open this public hearing
with staff comments.
Watters: Thank you, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council. The next item before you
is a preliminary plat application for Reserve West Subdivision. The site consists of 5.02
acres of land, zoned R-4 and is located on the west of Locust Grove Road and east of
Jericho Road. In 2009 the City Council approved the annexation of this property with an
R-4 zoning district. The applicant is requesting preliminary plat approval of 14
residential building lots and two common lots on 5.02 acres of land. The proposed plat
is an extension of Reserve Subdivision to the east. The minimum lot size proposed with
this plat is 10,000 square feet and the average lot size is 11,847 square feet. The gross
density for the proposed subdivision is 2.79 dwelling units per acre, consistent with the
adjacent development and the R-4 zoning district. Access to the subdivision is provided
by East Commander Street, currently stubbed at the east property boundary via North
Locust Grove Road. The development agreement for this site requires Commander
Street to be extended through the site and connect to Jericho Road, as proposed on the
plat. The proposed plat depicts 13.35 percent common open space, which exceeds the
minimum required of ten percent. Qualified open space includes two common area lofts
and eight foot parkways adjacent to the street. Per the development agreement the
applicant is required to submit home elevations consistent with the guidelines contained
in the Meridian design manual. The proposed elevations include a mix of building
materials, decorative corbels, predominate eaves, front porches, and variation in the
wall planes and the roof lines. The elevations demonstrate consistency with the design
manual and the existing homes constructed in Reserve Subdivision to the east. The
Commission recommended approval of the subject application at their June 7th, 2012,
public hearing. Jake Centers and John Wardle testified in favor of the application. No
one testified in opposition and Steve Rutherford and Steve Proctor commented on the
application, No written testimony was submitted. Key issues of discussion by the
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Commission were the minimum home sizes proposed for the subdivision and
construction traffic through Reserve Subdivision. The Commission did not change any
of staff's recommendations. Written testimony submitted since the Commission
hearing. John Wardle, applicant, in agreement with the Commission recommendation
and there are no outstanding issues for the City Council. Staff will stand for any
questions.
De Weerd: Thank you. Council, any questions?
Bird: I have none.
De Weerd: Okay.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes, Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: I would just comment that many years ago when this and subdivisions
around it were being discussed, the subject of having this roadway connect to what I
believe is Venable was brought up and I just want to express appreciation that it
appears that that happened.
De Weerd: Thank you. Good evening.
Wardle: Good evening, Madam Mayor, Council Members. For the record my name is
John Wardle. My address is 1627 South Orchard Street, Boise, Idaho. 83705. Thank
you for the opportunity to be here tonight. As Sonya had mentioned, we are in
agreement with the findings of fact and conclusions which are in the staff report.
wanted to just address two issues which were brought up at the Commission that we
addressed there, but I thought we would also address them before you tonight. One
was size of homes. This is a continuation of the first Reserve Subdivision. Our intent
here is to match the size of homes that were required with those HOA documents.
Some neighbors were concerned that our homes would not be compatible. We had
mentioned in our application that the minimum square footage will be 1,400 square feet.
That, actually, is part of the requirement within this zone. But our intent is to match the
same design requirements within Reserve Subdivision and, in fact, would like to be
included within that HOA. Just wanted to put that out there on the record. The other
item that was brought up at the last meeting -- and I'm sure will be raised again tonight
-- was construction traffic for this project. There was a request made that only
construction traffic be on what's called Jericho and we do connect to Jericho on one
end, but we also canned to Commander. Can we go back one more slide there? So,
our project sits between Jericho and Commander. One of the neighbors requested that
only construction traffic for this project be -- would occur on Jericho. Frankly, we feel
that -- you know, both of these are public roads. We -- we expect that our contractors
will obey the law. If they are not obeying the law we expect that the law would be called
and those issues be addressed. But we don't feel that it's appropriate to say that only
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construction traffic be on one road and not another and also our utilities will come from
Jericho. So, when development happens on this project, the likelihood of only telling us
that traffic can only be on Jericho Road is probably not feasible and we need the ability
to have traffic on either road and we do expect our contractors to obey the law. The
Commission did not agree with that -- that request by the public. They did not include a
new condition precluding traffic -- construction traffic on Commander Road and we just
respectfully request tonight that we be allowed to develop this project and that the
construction traffic could go on either road as -- as it may. So, l will stand for any
questions. I'm sure there will be some comments tonight and I will address those in
rebuttal.
De Weerd: Okay. Thank you, John. Council, any questions?
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: Sonya, could you put up the preliminary plat? Well, that's not terribly helpful
in terms of being able to read it, but what's the access going to be to the lot that would
be on the southwest portion of that parcel?
Wardle: The bottom left corner?
Rountree: Yes.
Wardle: Lots -- I think they are Lots 2 and 3 of Block 2. Those two lots will actually
have a shared driveway. There is a condition in here that states that those would share
access over a common driveway and they will both come out to Commander Road. So,
the frontages -- the minimum frontages are in accordance with the ordinance and
believe we will have a 20 foot driveway that both of those homes will use to come out to
Commander Drive.
Rountree: Madam Mayor, just a comment. We have had some issues with shared
driveways being relatively new in some subs. Hopefully the CC&Rs are such that you
don't have parking and that sort of thing and the difficulty of people moving in and out of
those lots. It would have to be administered through the CC&Rs. There is not much the
city can do about it.
Wardle: Madam Mayor, Council Member Rountree, if I may, it's my understanding that
these common driveways actually act as the fire access. lt's a minimum 20 feet and
parking is not allowed on those. 1 have seen where those have been signed with na
parking, but we would be happy to disclose in the CC&Rs the nature of that, that
parking is not allowed and access to one home or the other cannot be blocked.
Rountree: Okay. Thank you.
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De Weerd: Any other questions?
Bird: I have none.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: I would just comment in the earlier remark I made I misspoke. The street
that it connects to is Jericho, not Venable. But my appreciation still stands.
De Weerd: Noted. Thank you, John. Okay. We did have one person sign up, other
than John, on the public hearing sheet. See, I can keep track of where you live by
where you show up.
Rutherford: Right. Madam Mayor, Members of this Council, my name is Steve
Rutherford. I live a 1539 East Commander. I am the treasurer for the Reserve
Homeowners Association. I'd ask for a little extra time. I'm not sure 1 can get through
this in three minutes, but I promise I won't belabor my point.
De Weerd: We know attorneys can talk fast.
Rutherford: i wanted you to hear me, actually, this time. The issue is exactly as -- as
the developer's representative Mr. Wardle had said. Really, our issue is we live on a
short street. Probably -- and we should have before now come to you and asked to
have the 25 mile an hour speed limit reduced, because it's apretty -- it's a pretty shart
street. It's separated by the one kind of amenity or common space that Mr. Center's
provided on -- when he built this phase of the subdivision, which is a roundabout. The
roundabout has gat trees in the middle and I will show you pictures here with all the
specifics. You will see here the roundabout has some landscaping in the middle and
same grass and there -- along this western boundary there is also a fence. This is kind
of a picture of the subdivision and you will see this is not uncommon in our subdivision.
We have got 1 Z homes. We have got 13 children under the age of 12. Many of them
are, you know, in that six, seven, eight range and they play on that roundabout,
because that's -- that's kind of the common space for the neighborhood. Until we get
the back part of this subdivision opened up and get that -- that common space at the
back end, this is what the -- this is what the kids are playing on. So, you can see our
issue really relates to people. People park in this roundabout, because it's street
frontage for people's homes and in addition this picture will show you to the north of the
roundabout there is sidewalk that accesses what amounts to a pretty big field behind
the Meridian city school. There is a -- there is a high school there. So, children are
often crossing to get over to that school. The street width from the pavement is 26 feet
wide there at that area. The issue we have is, again, we have got a quite few kids
playing in that neighborhood. It's a 25 mile an hour zone. Folks are parking on our
street in the street. We have got a fairly, you know, busy, robust neighborhood and
what we are worried about is someone around, driving a big truck full of trusses around
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that -- that roundabout and running over one of our kids. In addition, it kind of makes
sense to -- at least for the first portion of the development of this subdivision to have the
construction access come off of Chinden Boulevard directly north of this and I will show
you in the next couple slides that street. There was some discussion at Planning and
Zoning that there were -- there were a number of residences. Really, those are five one
acre lots. They are set back a ways. One of my pictures will show you that. And so --
so that's about -- that's it in terms of -- in terms of the impact on that neighborhood.
And, again, our neighborhood is not requesting that you permanently make construction
access go through -- use Jericho, but at least until it makes sense we leave -- we have
asked -- we would ask you to leave the fence that currently terminates the existing East
Commander Street until -- until construction gets to 50 percent, particularly the roads
and infrastructure get in the street, but you will see here this is the route we are asking
you to -- per the conditions to the developer, ask him to use. The streets here where he
turns off Chinden onto North Saguaro is 30 feet wide. You will see pretty big. They
pass that -- what is a Moxie Java right there. Would turn left here onto Everest Street.
You will see a fairly wide street. No homes fronting this. Some commercial
development opportunities on the left that have yet to develop and, then, finally the
stretch on Jericho, you will see the homes -- there are, again, five homes on the left side
of Jericho. That planting strip there where there is with grass on the left side is pretty
wide. Those homes fit back a little further. Again, they are one acre estate lots and,
then, this would, again, feed into the west side of the west development. The east side
of Jericho is yet to be developed. So, you know, from our perspective -- our
neighborhood's perspective this is the safer route. This is a picture of the roundabout
and -- in our neighborhood with some traffic in there. This shows you a rather large
vehicle accessing that. That's our sign at the front entrance to Locust Grove. It also
shows you that, you know, you put a car or two there, it`s not necessarily the most open
piece of street. And, finally, that's the fence that's at the end of -- end of our East
Commander that we would ask you to ask them to leave up. We also believe that the --
that the developer that -- he's doing a good job. He did a great job with our subdivision.
He's going to do a great job on this one. He can't control his contractors. I'm here to tell
you. I'm in the business. And people speed and you can't do anything about it, unless
you post a police officer there and I know from the other side of my business that you
don't have the resources to put a police officer there. At some point it's too late. Kid
gets run over. It's too late. So, I'd ask you to -- until it makes sense -- and you folks do
this more than I do -- I don't know if that's for a period of time, six months, three months,
or if it's until, you know, 13 of the 26 houses or the -- I'm sorry -- seven or eight if the
homes are built and infrastructure is in, something to alleviate big trucks coming down
that road that wasn't really designed for that kind of traffic. So, happy to answer any
questions. Thank you for this time.
De Weerd: Council, any questions?
Bird: I have none, Mayor.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
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De Weerd: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: The trucks that you're most worried about, can you guess at maybe a weight
limit to them? You're talking about a -- maybe a cement truck and maybe as you say a
truck with trusses. Are those like in a 50,000 pound range you're thinking?
Rutherford: Council Member -- or Madam Mayor, Council Member Zaremba, I don't
know. I'm thinking, you know, some pretty good size, a load on them, but, you know, for
that matter, given the volume of -- of development that's going to occur on the other side
of the fence, Jake Centers built a good product. I have no doubt this thing is going to be
popular. They are going to be building homes pretty quickly. The guy -- the drywaller in
his pickup, for that matter, you know, those people, in addition to the -- to the truck
drivers, those are the people that are going to be getting #o the site so they can get to
work and I'm worried about a protracted period of time where those folks are going to be
using that street, When we have the ability to give them maybe more safe access --
again, Chinden has got kind of a turn lane, so you can get out of traffic, get into that
Jericho access. And since the fence is up we actually have a present ability to stop that
traffic until, again, a reasonable time period. I don't know that it has to da with size or
anything like that. I think it is folks in the construction trade that want to get there. They
are going to be intensely using that East Commander Street in front of our homes.
De Weerd: Steve, 1 don't want to sound insensitive. Certainly the accident that we had
happen in our community recently has kind of shaken our whole community and so we
are a lot more conscientious and aware of the dangers that streets in general pose to
the safety of our kids. Postponing the opening of a street is not going to change
anything. You need to educate your kids. You know, they are going to have to learn it
today or six months from now. They have to know it's no longer a street that they play
in and I can tell you what, there is many of us that have moved to a street with that
similar sign and it will be extended in the future and we have stayed there hoping that
that road would never open up, because we like the security that it's given ours kids by
not having it a through road. I don't know if the city can postpone the opening of a road
or not. The roads are ACRD. But I don't know what it gains you. Because that danger
is going to be there when that road is paved and so 1 don't say that to be insensitive,
because, you know, I now have grandkids. I finally got my kids raised and now I'm
concerned about someone else's kids, including our communities'. But we have this
request in every subdivision that has a fence and a sign on it when the next phase
develops.
Rutherford: And, Madam Mayor, I'm not naive enough to believe that it was never going
to open, but given that the common space we have right now is that circle, until the
common space gets put in and there are sidewalks that our kids can safely get to that,
our kids are going to play in here and they can be very -- they can be very careful, but
this increases the risk and 1 had a conversation with your -- with one of your land use
planners and I was led to believe that this was a condition that limiting construction
access to a certain point was something that can be done, had been done, and wasn't
an unreasonable request. So, that`s what Iwas -- that's why I was here making it and,
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again, until we get a safe place for our kids to play that isn't in the middle of the street,
we always tell them to be careful, but there is risk there.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: And, again, I don't want to sound insensitive, but it's called a yard, so -- Mr.
Bird.
Bird: Steve, my -- my biggest fear is if we limit it to just Jericho -- and most of the
product does come out of the Boise area going west and you go on Chinden, which is --
while Locust Grove is busy, Chinden is a lot more busy. At Locust Grove you have got
a light that you can turn left and come down and, then, you turn right into this. And you
go on up to Jericho there is no light. Trucks are going to be pulling in there. You got
your -- your concrete trucks, you got everything. They are going to be pulling in there
and trying to turn left into the traffic. You got a traffic hazard there. And, boy, I -- you
know, I wouldn't want to see one little guy get scratched, but I think there is -- I think
there is a safety issue asking all the construction trucks to -- to fiurn left into that without
a light, where at Locust they do have a light to turn left. Because, you know, drivers are
-- they get impatient and they are going to swing out in front of traffic I'm afraid of. They
are going to -- a lot of them come that way, a lot of them come off Locust Grove.
Looking at your roundabout, most of them, if they can, they are going to come Jericho
way, I can guarantee you. They are not going to try to bring a trailer full of trusses
around that deal, especially where you gat parking -- cars parked there, but I -- I don't
know if -- if we are doing -- safety wise if we are doing the right thing by limiting it to just
one entrance.
Rutherford: And, Madam Mayor, Council Member Bird, I absolutely understand. The
difference for me was Locust Grove doesn't have a turn lane, Chinden does, and there
are -- there is a school bus stop right at our subdivision there at that -- and, then, there
are -- there is the Ambrose school right across the street and, then, the high school,
frequent foot traffic on Locust Grove that doesn't have sidewalks all the way down. You
kind of got to -- kind of got to hop back and forth. So, we just thought, you know, if we
can avoid construction traffic coming in that front entrance, encourage it to be on
Chinden that's meant to accommodate that kind of traffic, it would -- it would benefit the
neighborhood.
De Weerd: Mr. Nary, it's probably -- and I don't know if it's our attorney or planning, but
I believe that ACRD can consider temporary traffic calming situations, sa 1 guess
depending on how Council decides on this, we could also through our traffic safety
commission or just the developer and through our Planning Department make a request
for temporary traffic slowing things. Aren't there some temporary speed bumps or -- you
can slow traffic down.
Nary: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, I mean I guess the only -- the only
problem is is that many of those -- many of those have requirements that -- I'm not sure
by the time the -- all the traffic study was accomplished, I'm not sure how far along this
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project would be.
De Weerd: But if it's temporary and you get one hundred percent of the homeowners
that sign it, I -- I know when we looked at it in our subdivision -- this sounds so familiar.
As long as you get all of your neighbors agreeing to it there usually isn't a problem.
Nary: Yeah. I just say I don't know how long it takes. I wouldn't know if it would take
two months or a month and a half. So, that's the only issue would be the timing.
De Weerd: Okay.
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: Steve points out a genuine issue. Unfortunately, he doesn't point out the
genuine issue throughout the whole area. Those choosing to come from the south
down Locust Grave might very well not go to Chinden and back around.
Bird: Yeah. That's right.
Rountree: And there is a subdivision to the south -- I think it used to be Madeline, I
think it`s now Saguaro West or East or something like that -- that they could go through
that just as many, if not more homes than we have here. So, the idea of trying to
restrict traffic flow, I'm not sure is necessarily the answer -- that would be the answer for
that.
Hoaglun: Madam Mayor?
Rountree: But I think it's something that between the citizens that live there, between
the contractors and the developer, they can do their best effort to try to minimize the
impact on the existing dwellings, whether it's coming down Jericho, coming down your
street, or coming down -- coming across on the street that's to the south of them. You
have that in every development. !f they would all develop from the inside out we'd never
have this issue. I don't know that Icon -- 1 don't know that I can think of an instance,
though, during construction were we have had significant issues, other than some
parking and materials in the road and -- where we had accidents involving pedestrians
-- typically it's an established neighborhood. Typically it's a resident in the
neighborhood not paying attention. Not that those are excuses, I'm just trying to find a
way in my mind to accept your proposition as the way to go and I think by doing what
you suggest you just divert the issue to a couple other streets and I think opening up the
street all the way through initially as part of the development and giving people the
options to come from the south, give them options to come from the north, the east and
the west, is probably the best approach.
De Weerd: You know, Steve, I think that what we found in our neighborhood was -- we
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live just down the street from a school and it wasn't the contractors we ended up being
concerned about, it was the parents driving their kids to school at the last minute. I
mean they were scary, so -- Mr. Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Madam Mayor, I wanted to ask Steve a question. You had referenced
something about 15 mile an hour speed limits. Have you had a discussion with the
traffic safety committee or ACRD about doing some slaw down measures?
Rutherford: Madam Mayor, Council Member Hoaglun, 1 have not. We do have the 25
mile an hour posted speed limit, which is the default for Meridian. We also have a no
outlet sign that ACHD graciously put up for us at our request. But my understanding
was I could come to the city or our HOA could come to the city and that you have the
ability to set a lower speed limit in a residential area kind of as an exception to your 25
mile an hour. That's something I have been derelict in doing.
Hoaglun: And Madam Mayor -- and to follow up on that, I mean if that -- if that is an
option, with that circle and trucks going through there, if that's opened up, you know,
that's something I think worth taking a look at during -- during this construction period. I
mean the Mayor is right, long term, once that's opened up with houses there, it -- people
are going to be driving back and forth and I have been through the teenage driver years
and that's always scary. I mean -- so, it will happen, but -- with young people and going
fast, so -- but I can understand your concern going through there where that has,
basically, been a cul-de-sac and kids playing and if there is a way to get traffic calming
measures in the place or lower speed limits and -- I don't know if that's -- if that is
possible. Mr. Nary, is that 15 mile or something like that even doable?
Nary: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, I mean certainly there is -- there is two
methods in which to do that and the traffic safety commission meets only once a month,
so we could certainly put it on our agenda for next month, but in the interim they still
would have to do a traffic study to determine what`s appropriate, because they can't
simply just change the speed limit, they have to have some supporting documentation
to support that. So, the homeowners association can contact ACHD, raise these
concerns and issues and have them do the study prior to our meeting next month and,
then, we can have that conversation. So, there is a method. But we don't have the
independent authority to change the speed limit, we would have to work through ACRD
to recommend that.
De Weerd: We don't mean to do that. They point at us, we point at them, and -- okay.
Anything further? And certainly, Steve, we will -- if you need to work through the traffic
safety commission we will help you communicate with ACRD or whatever you need us
to do.
Rutherford: Okay. Thank you.
De Weerd: This is a public hearing. Is there anyone else who would like to provide
testimony on this item? John, you want to have any final remarks?
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Wardle: Madam Mayor, Council Members, John Wardle. !don't. We are sensitive to
the issue as well. We will work with our contractors. Clearly, like I stated before, if
someone is violating the posted law -- I have worked on another project where
neighbors follow our truck, that's our project, so I would assume that if the contractors
aren't doing the right thing here, the residents would have an opportunity to call the
police and do that, but we will work with our contractors as well. So, we just would ask
for your approval of the conditions as put in the staff repor# tonight and we will go ahead
and make the connection to Jericho.
De Weerd: Thank you. Any final questions?
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: I may have telegraphed this earlier, but would there be any value in putting
up a sign asking vehicles over 50,000 pounds to use Jericho and let everybody else
come from whatever direction they wanted? And I'm just picking 50,000 pounds out of
the air. But I'm aiming at the biggest, heaviest trucks which may choose not to go
through this roundabout anyhow, but --
Wardle: Madam Mayor, Council Member Zaremba, where do you post that? I mean
you would have to past, what, up on Chinden or dawn, you know, on McMillan. I think it
also poses a problem that -- I have moved a number of times over the last few years
and the moving trucks are well over 50,000 pounds and they put three ar four people's
home -- you know, home goods on there. So, I think, again, you know, it would be hard
to enforce something like that. I think by the time somebody gets in that neighborhood
they would use the roundabout to turn back around and, then, they would have to figure
out how to get through. So, 1 just don't know that it's -- I think it's a good suggestion, I
just don't know if it's practical to enforce that.
Zaremba: Thank you.
De Weerd: I'm sure our lieutenant was wondering that himself, so -- nothing. I just saw
you talking aver there, so I thought I would mention your name. Okay. Anything further
from Council?
Rountree: I have none.
De Weerd: Okay. Thank you, Jahn.
Wardle: Thank you very much.
De Weerd: Do i have a motion to close?
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Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: I move we dose the public hearing on Item 8-B.
Hoaglun: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing. All those in favor
say aye. Alf ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: I move we approve PP 12-007, with all staff comments.
Hoaglun: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second. Any discussion?
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: Does the maker of the motion intend to include the commitments made this
evening by the applicant with respect to house size and identification of signing within
the CC&R that would not provide -- would not allow parking on the shared access?
Zaremba: Yes. That's a good idea. f include that.
Hoaglun: Second agrees.
De Weerd: Okay. Any further discussion?
Hoaglun: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Justin from ACRD is here. He probably thought it was going to be an easy
meeting for him tonight, but, you know, !think that as this comes forward for your review
on things, you know, you certainly understand Steve's concern and he represented the
homeowners on that street very well and it's one of those things that if something can
be done we would like to see it -- I would like to see it done and I think we have all kind
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of expressed concern, but at the same time these are public streets and how do you
move it from one to another and -- and I know that's the same thing you guys face out
there every day and so -- but if there are idea out there that would work I'd certainly like
to see them pursued if at all possible. And, of course, the developer and working with
the contractors to keep that speed down, that's the biggest thing have them pay
attention and keep speed down, so -- now, if we can just get our teenagers to do the
same thing, so --
De Weerd: I'm sorry. I lived on a street to an elementary school and I can give you
horror stories. And, certainly, Justin, if you have some ideas you can share it after this
is finalized. Okay. Any further discussion from Council? Madam Clerk, will you tail roll.
Roll Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, yea; Zaremba, yea; Hoaglun, yea.
De Weerd: All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
C. Public Hearing: AZ 12-002 Paramount North by Brighton
Development, Inc. Located West ofi N. Meridian Road, Midway
Between W. Chinden Boulevard and W. Mc11/lillan Road
Request: Annexation and Zoning of 10.03 Acres of Land with
an R-8 Zoning District
D. Public Hearing: PP 12-006 Paramount North by Brighton
Development, Inc, Located West of N. Meridian Road, Midway
Between W. Chinden Boulevard and W. McMillan Road
Request: Preliminary Plat Approval Consisting of 77 Single-
Family Residential Building Lots and Six (6) Common Area
Lots on 26,52 Acres of Land in an R-8 Zoning District
De Weerd: Okay. We are at Item 8-C and D on public hearing AZ 12-002 and PP 12-
006. I will open these two public hearings with staff comments.
Watters: Thank you, Madam Mayor. The next applications before you are an
annexation and zoning and preliminary plat request for Paramount North Subdivision.
The site consists of a total of 26.52 acres of land, zoned R-8 and RUT in Ada County
and is located west of North Meridian Road between Chinden and McMillan. The
applicant has applied for annexation and zoning of 10.03 acres of land with an R-8
zoning district consistent with the future land map designation of medium density
residential for this property. A conceptual development plan and building elevations
were submitted with the annexation request. Because development of the majority of
this site is subject to the development agreement approved with the original Paramount
annexation, staff is not recommending a new development agreement for the portion of
this site proposed to be annexed. A preliminary plat is also proposed, consisting of 77
single family detached residential building lots and six common area lots on 26.52 acres
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of land, consistent with the proposed concept plan. A portion of this site of 16.49 acres
was previously annexed into the city and included in the original preliminary plat as one
large 34 acre iot for future single family residential uses. The remaining portion of that
lot not being replatted with this application will be replatted in the future. The conditional
use permit planned development approved for the annexed portion of this site in 2003
allowed block lengths in excess of 1,000 feet, reduced building setbacks and minimum
street frontages of 50 feet. Access fo the site is proposed on the plat via two access
points, the existing West Producer Drive via Meridian Road at the southeast boundary
and North Fox Run Way via Chinden at the northwest boundary. The applicant is
required to provide a minimum of ten percent open space or 2.65 acres of land, along
with two site amenities for the subdivision. The applicant proposes a children's play
structure, benches, and a section of the city's multi-use pathway as site amenities. Ten
foot wide multi-use pathway is proposed within Lot 38, Block 48, along the southwest
boundary as shown on the landscape plan. Commission recommended approval of the
subject annexation and zoning and preliminary plat request at their June 7th public
hearing. Mike Wardle testified in favor of the applicatian. No one commented or
opposed the application. Written testimony was submitted by Mike Wardle, the
applicant's representative, in agreement with the staff report. There were no key issues
of discussion by the Commission. The Commission changed staff's recommendation.
They struck condition 1.1.1, as recommended by staff, as the applicant had revised the
plat at that point and initially as recommended by staff, added a new condition, 1.1.9,
requiring the landscape plan submitted with the final plat application to be revised to
include the additional area included in the annexation boundary at the northwest corner
of North Meridian Road and West Producer Drive. There are no outstanding issues for
City Council. Written testimony since the Commission hearing. There has been none.
Staff will stand for any questions Council may have.
De Weerd: Thank you. Council, any questions? Okay. Comments from the applicant?
M.Wardle: Madam Mayor, Council Members, Mike Wardle, Brighton Corporation.
12601 in Boise -- or, excuse me, West Explorer Drive in Boise.
De Weerd: Thank you.
M.Wardle: I would just be willing to answer any questions that you might have, but
would note that along the street, along the diagonal southwest is where we have
already constructed a ten foot wide regional pathway. That's why we don't have any
lots fronting on that street in contrast to what has been done on the rest of the project,
but it was really the only opportunity to make the connection from the pathway that's
already in existence along Fox Run over to Meridian Road and to the pathway that's on
the east side of another subdivision. So, we have already put that facility in. It will be
part of that wider buffer common area when we da plat these -- these lots in the future.
So, would also just note during the last hearing there was a question raised by one of
the Council -- or the Commission members about a sidewalk from the LDS church down
to the corner of McMillan, which does not currently exist, but because you have the
junior high school across the street there is a concern. So, we are actually in the
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process of working currently with ACRD. We will design and construct that sidewalk
and they are working on determination of what ACHD's future roadway widening
requirements are to set the precise location, but if we can get the miracle accomplished
it will be done before school starts this fall. So, anyway, that's not part of this project,
but it came up and it was just something that we had already initiated with ACHD
because of that need. So, be happy to answer any questions you might have.
De Weerd: Thank you, Mike. Council, any questions?
Bird: I have none.
Rountree: I have none.
De Weerd: Thank you.
M.Wardle: Thank you very much.
De Weerd: This is a public hearing on Items 8-C and D. Is there any member of our
public who would like to make comment? Okay. Council, any further questions?
Rountree: I have none,
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: Hearing none, I move we close the public hearings on AZ 12-002 and PP 12-006.
Zaremba: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to close the public hearings on Item $-C and
D. All those in favor say aye. All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: !move we approve AZ 12-002, Paramount North and consider alf staff and
applicant testimony.
Rountree: Second.
De Weerd: 1 have a motion and a second to approve this item. Any discussion?
Madam Clerk.
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Roll Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, yea; Zaremba, yea; Hoaglun, yea.
De Weerd: All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I move we approve PP 12-006 and include all staff and applicant testimony.
Zaremba: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to approve item 8-D. Madam Clerk, will you
call roll.
Roll Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, yea; Zaremba, yea; Hoaglun, yea.
De Weerd: All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
E. Public Hearing: VAC 12-001 Sond by Greg Renfrow Located at
4871 W. Grey Towers Drive Request: Vacation of a 10-Foot
Wide Public Utility, Drainage and Irrigation Easement Shared
on the Interior Lot Line of Lot 4 and Lot 5, Bfock 3 of the Sond
Subdivision
De Weerd: Item 8-E is a public hearing on VAC 12-001. I will ask for staff comments
and as I open this public hearing.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes, Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: I have had ex pane involvement in this item and it would be appropriate for
me to excuse myself.
De Weerd: Okey dokey.
Watters: Thank you, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council. The next application
before you is a request for a vacation on Lots 4 and 5, Block 3, Sond Subdivision. The
site consists of .45 of an acre of land, zoned R-4, located at 1080 North Crystal Cove
Avenue, west of North Black Cat Road and approximately a quarter mile south of West
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Cherry Lane. The applicant requests approval to vacate the two five foot wide public
utility drainage and irrigation easements located on the interior shared lot line between
Lots 4 and 5, Block 3, of Sond Subdivision. The two lots have been combined into one
property through a property boundary adjustment and record of survey. The applicant
states there are no utilities within the PUDI easements. All public utilities, Idaho Power,
Century Link, Cable One, Intermountain Gas, along with the Sond Subdivision
homeowners association, have given consent to relinquish #heir easements. Approval
of the subject vacation will allow the applicant to construct a home over the easement
area. There are no outstanding issues for the City Council. Greg Renfrow, the
applicant, submitted written testimony in agreement with the staff report and staff
recommends approval of the proposed vacation.
De Weerd: Thank you. Council, any questions?
Bird: I have none.
De Weerd: Does the applicant have any additional comments? Good evening. If you
will, please, state your name and address for the record.
Renfrow: Yes. My name is Gregory Renfrow. i live at 11870 West Tidewater Drive in
Boise, Idaho. Hopefully within a month I will be a new Meridian City resident. First of
all, I'd like to thank Councilman David Zaremba for taking the lead on this issue and
helping me get my project back on track. He saved me quite a bit of money and time,
because I also have a second project in -- across the street where I was building both
homes at the same time. 1'd also like to thank Bruce Chatterton for -- he is the director
of the community Development Services for recognizing the city's oversight and, then,
coming to a resolution to also help me get my project back on track. And I believe the
city has done the right thing by hiring Bruce to oversee the -- the departments, to help
streamline these processes and make it -- assistance to be able to continue with their
projects and not have delays through miscommunication with different departments.
And that's all I have. Thank you.
De Weerd: Thank you. Council, any questions?
Bird: I have none.
Haaglun: I don't know, Madam Mayor. You know, I got to fiind out from Greg, did Bruce
pay you to say that? He's new. You know, I don't know if he -- no. That was good. We
appreciate hearing that.
Renfrow: This is a case where we were first told -- you knave, I just need to do a lot line
adjustment and, then, we got the permit and the permit department said, no, you need
to vacate the easement and I had both projects going at the same time, just to save
costs. So, it was a situation where there is, you know, one department not knowing
what the other one's processes are. So, 1 think this is a good case and I think Bruce
agrees with you. You know, this is a good example of why you needed to do what you
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need -- that you have done, to streamline these processes and so both sides know what
they are talking about.
Chatterton: Madam Mayor and Council Members, I just want to mention I really
appreciate Mr. Renfrow's help as well. We had standard operating procedures in place
for a situation like this. Unfortunately, they weren't the right standard operating
procedures. They were based upon a literal reading of state law about which
easements needed to be -- could be administratively vacated and which needed a
public hearing and with the help of the city attorney's office we had to do a lot of digging
and Mr. Renfrow's patience, to -- to realize that there was same case law, which
distinguished these things. We now -- our -- our SOPs are correct in this case now. So,
we very much appreciate Mr. Renfrow's forbearance and help in getting this done. We
were able to do something which we don't normally do, which is allow building permits
to be -- to be pulled and construction to proceed prior to vacation of the easement. Not
a great practice, but now we know.
De Weerd: Interesting. Well, thank you. We always need a Guinea pig to -- thank you
for -- okay. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone who would like to offer testimony
on this item? Council?
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: I move that we close the public hearing on Item 8-E.
Bird: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing on 8-E. All those
in favor say aye. All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: I move that we approve the request for vacation for Item 8-E, number 12-
001, and let it move forward in the processes it needs to follow.
Bird: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second. Any discussion? Madam Clerk.
Roll Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, yea; Zaremba, yea; Hoaglun, yea.
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De Weerd: All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
F. Public Hearing: VAR 12-002 Meridian Town Center by Idaho
Electric Signs Located Northeast Corner of N. Eagle Road and
E. Fairview Avenue at 2200 N. Eagle Road Request: Variance
to UDC 11-3D-8F.4d to Exceed the Maximum Background Area
Allowed of 200 Square Feet for Free-Standing Signs
De Weerd: We are at Item 8-F, which is a public hearing on VAR 12-002. I will open
this public hearing with staff comments.
Watters: Thank you, Madam Mayor, Councilmen. The next application -- and the last
application before you is a variance for Meridian Town Center. This site consists of 80
acres of land, zoned C-G, located on the northeast corner of Fairview and Eagle Roads.
The applicant requests approval of a variance to Unified Development Code 11-3B-
8F4D, which allows properties exceeding 750 feet of linear street frontage an additional
sign height up to 35 feet and background area up to 200 square feet for free standing
signs. Only one such sign is allowed per 750 feet of frontage. The applicant proposes
five of these type of signs with a background area of 355 square each, 155 square feet
over the allowed amount for each sign. Staff has done a complete analysis of the
signage on the number of allowed versus proposed signs and background area for the
overall site based on the street frontage as shown on each lot on the approved final
plat. Based on staff's analysis the property as a whole is allowed a total of 28 20 foot
tall signs with a maximum background area of 80 square feet each and a total of 35 foot
tall signs, with a maximum background area of 200 square feet each for a collective
maximum background area of 2,240 square feet. Instead of utilizing the maximum
number of smaller signs allowed on the site, the applicant proposes to decrease the
number of smaller signs from 28 to 11, for a reduction in the overall allowed background
area of 1,360 square feet. The applicant proposes to transfer a portion of this area that
they aren't using to the five larger signs and increase the maximum background area on
each sign from 200 square feet to 355 square feet, for an overall increase of 775 square
feet. The applicant is not proposing an increase in the height limit for any signs on the
site. The total proposed background area for signage on the site is 1,655 square feet,
which is actually a decrease of 585 square feet from what is allowed. And the total
number of signs proposed is 16, which is a reduction of 17 signs from what is allowed.
There has been no written testimony on this application received by the city. Because
the overall number in the background area of the signs are proposed to be reduced
significantly over what is allowed by the Unified Development Code, staff finds that
granting a variance would not allow a right or a special privilege that is not otherwise
allowed in the district. Further, staff did not find that granting the proposed variance
would be detrimental to the public health, safety, and/or welfare and, actually, is of the
opinion that public safety and welfare may be increased by reducing the number of
signs on this site, providing less of a distraction to the motoring public. Lastly, because
there are no site conditions that prohibit compliance with the UDC, staff finds that
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granting a variance does not relieve an undue hardship because of characteristics of
the site. Although staff is of the opinion that signage proposed by the applicant for the
site is superior to what is allowed by the UDC, staff cannot recommend approval of the
variance, because all the findings cannot be met. Therefore, staff recommends denial
of the proposed variance.
De Weerd: Thank you.
Chatterton: Madam Mayor and Council Members. Pardon me. If I could add. Staff is
very much in agreement with the intent of this request, but as Sonya just said, because
we couldn't meet all of three of those findings -- one of them is problematic -- we
thought that we were at the limit of our discretion under the code. Just wanted to point
that out. i think she said it in other words.
De Weerd: Yes. Superior is what I believe I heard, so -- Council, any questions for staff
at this time?
Rountree: I have none.
De Weerd: Okay. Would the applicant like to make comment? However, I think staff
did a great job arguing your case.
Lipsett: I don't think I can add much to that.
De Weerd: if you will, please, state your name and address for the record.
Lipsett: My name is Dan Lipsett. I'm a project manager with Center Cal Properties. I
live at 973 North Yarmouth Place in Eagle.
De Weerd: Thank you.
Lipsett: The whole intent -- we know we -- we see the square footage, but we think the
effort -- we are trying to enhance the area over what is allowable by code. We think
that --
De Weerd: Can you speak a little closer to the mike? Thank you
Lipsett: Sorry. We think that less signs on the -- on Eagle Road and on Fairview
enhance the whole thing and make it a better project and our tenants will appreciate it
more. I think the public will as well. So, that's part of the nature of why we are giving up
rights to same signs, to reduce some clutter.
De Weerd: Okay. Council, any questions for the applicant?
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
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De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: I appreciate that, your last comment. My question deals with that. Are you
going to have CC&Rs or conditions of occupancy that would not allow temporary signs
in your landscaped areas around the facilities?
Lipsett: Temporary signs of what nature?
Rountree: Well, we have temporary signs crop up all over town.
Lipsett: Right.
Rountree: But our sandwich boards that don't meet statute and signs that do meet
statute, but some are in the way of other signage and that sort of thing.
Lipsett: So, you're asking me once we are occupied and we have tenants in and
controlling the type of signs that they might put out, yes, there will be restrictions.
Rountree: Okay.
Lipsett: Center Cal runs a pretty tight reign and has an active management program
within our subdivision -- or within their developments and the enhancement of the
development for all of the tenants is something we strive for.
Rountree: Terrific. Thank you.
De Weerd: Any other questions?
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: It seems like a good idea and well-intended. Let me start off by saying that
my one hesitancy is we have been having a problem around the whole city with -- I think
they are called electronic changeable -- they are like a television screen now, the
newest ones, they are like a television screen and many of them are programmed to be
very distracting and obtrusive to drivers and people thereby. Understand the purpose of
the sign is to advertise and to get people to notice that businesses are there, but are
these going to be static or do you envision any of these as having the electronic
component to them?
Lipsett: There is no electronic component. There will be just a constant on or constant
off light source within the cabinet.
Zaremba: Great. Thank you
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De Weerd: Okay. Thank you so much.
Lipsett: Thank you.
De Weerd: This is a public hearing. Is there anyone who would like to offer comment
on this item? Council, any further questions for staff or applicant?
Hoaglun: Madam Mayor, not a question for staff, but just a thank you to Sonya and
whoever worked on these to give us the figures on the square footages and all that
analysis to go through this and how you arrived at your conclusion. Of course, we know
you got boxes to check and that's as far as you can go and -- but appreciate that
analysis, that helps us make this determination.
Watters: Thank you, Councilman Hoaglun.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: Hearing no more, I move we close the public hearing on VAR 12-002.
Rountree: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing on Item 8-F. All
those in favor say aye. All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I move we approve VAR 12-002 and incorporate staff and applicant comments.
Rountree: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to approve Item 8-F.
Nary: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes.
Nary: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, I don't think there was evidence as to
what the undue hardship and I think that was the question that staff was asking is under
the statutory requirement for a variance we have to establish an undue hardship or
otherwise your variance would, then, grant -- grant everything to everyone. So, if the
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undue hardship is the fact that they are adjacent to a state highway and what they are
looking to do is instead of having larger signs and more signs, we are trying to
encapsulate them into fewer signs, so that they are more visible from a state highway
that has a little higher speed limit than an arterial or a local street. That may be a
hardship based on the site. But we need something to make the finding. That's the --
that's -- if you recall that was -- that was the problems they had, if they had two of them
where they couldn't make that hardship one. So, if the hardship is the site's location,
then, that's at least something to give us something to hang our hat on to deal with,
because you may get other requests for similar signage of this type and this one,
because I think the safety aspect was what they were promoting and the -- adjacent to
the highway was the reason they wanted more safety. If that's what you feel that's
appropriate hardship, then, maybe if you put that as part of your motion that would be
helpful.
Bird: And I have no problem doing that, but I thought when I incorporated the staff -- I
think Bruce and Sonya pretty well explained what the hardship was on the last item.
Nary: I have no -- they just said they didn't have the hardship.
Bird: Okay. I have no problem, then, including that hardship because of the state
highway.
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd; Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: I would add to that that it's not just the state highway, it's Fairview Avenue,
intersection of probably the highest capacity of an intersection in the state of Idaho.
Bird: And the maker of the motion agrees with that. Add to the motion.
De Weerd: And second agrees?
Rountree: Yes.
De Weerd: Okay. Madam Clerk.
Roll Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, yea; Zaremba, yea; Hoaglun, yea.
De Weerd: All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
G. Amended onto the Agenda: Resolution No. 12-854: A
Resolution Vacating a 1Q Foot Wide Public Utility Drainage and
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Irrigation Easement Centered on the Common Line Between
Lot 4 and 5, Block 3 of Sond Subdivision (VAC 12-001)
De Weerd: Item 8-G is Resolution 12-854. Madam Clerk, will you -- oh, you don't need
to read this. Council, any questions on this item?
Nary: Madam Mayor? Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, this is just a document
for the Sond Subdivision so we can record it, so they can get that -- the -- those
eliminated so they can get a building permit.
Hoaglun: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: I move approval Resolution No. 12-854.
Bird: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to approve Item 8-G. If there is no
discussion, Madam Clerk.
Roll Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, yea; Zaremba, abstain; Hoaglun, yea.
De Weerd: All ayes by those that voted.
MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. ONE ABSTAIN.
Item 9. Future Meeting Topics
De Weerd: Any items under consideration far Item 9 on Future Meeting Topics?
Hearing none --
Hoaglun: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes.
Hoaglun: I don't have a future meeting topic, I just wanted to -- something I should have
done awhile back, offer you and Councilman Zaremba congratulations. I think you're
elected third vice-chair over the Association of Idaho Cities and Councilman Zaremba
you're our District 4-A representative.
Zaremba: 3-A.
Hoaglun: 3-A. So, appreciate you guys stepping in those leadership positions and
appreciate the work that you're willing to do for that, so --
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Zaremba: Thank you.
De Weerd: Thank you. Okay. If there is nothing further, I would entertain a motion to
close this meeting.
Rountree: So moved.
Hoaglun: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to adjourn. All those in favor say aye. All
ayes.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 8:09 P.M.
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