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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1999 02-02 Joint Rural Fire Mayor ROBERT D. CORRIE HUB OF TREASURE VALLEY A Good Place to Li ve ( Council Members CITY OF MERIDIAN LEGAL DEPARTMENT (208) 884-4164 CHARLES ROUNTREE GLENN BENTLEY RON ANDERSON KEITH BIRD 33 EAST IDAHO MERIDIAN, IDAHO 83642 Phone (208) 888-4433 · Fax (208) 887-4813 PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING DEPARTMENT (208) 887-2211 PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT (208) 884-5533 NOTICE OF SPECIAL JOINT MEETING NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the City Council of the City of Meridian and the Commissioners of the Meridian Rural Fire District will hold a Special Joint Meeting at Meridian City Hall, 33 East Idaho, Meridian, Idaho, on Tuesday, February 2, 1999 at 7:00 P.M. They will discuss possible locations for future fire station sites for property acquisitions. The public is welcome to attend. DATED this 27th day of January, 1999. \\,\\UUft/fIJI/ ,\\\\ -c MEoi'. II.II~ ....,-' ...J 0,- Tl11.":.f...!! -"'I ',1 r~ ", ~ ~ ~ .......~l~. ~......... .f acP~'q,,~~, v % 2 ~ ~ 2 ~ = = MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL I RURAL FIRE JOINT SPECIAL MEETING FEBRUARY 2. 1999 Mayor Corrie called to order the Meridian at 7:00. Members Present: Mayor Corrie, Charlie Rountree, Glen Bentley, Ron Anderson, & Keith Bird. Others Present: Steve Bravo, Mike Ingram. Corrie: I'll open the special joint meeting between the commissioners of the Meridian Rural Fire District and the City Council of the City of Meridian, February 2, 1999. Not the record that all council is present. I'll give the floor over to the commissioners. Ingram: I'm secretary of Meridian Rural Fire Protection District, we called this special meeting at 7:00pm, February 2, 1999. Commissioners present are Steve Bravo and myself, Mike Ingram. I'll call this meeting to order. Corrie: With that, discussion is possible location for future fire station sites, property and acquisition and other topics that may come up. Anderson: I think everybody knows that we are well into the process on station one, we have a meeting Thursday night now with the architect and the building committee to go over the preliminary work that Nick has done and to-this will be our first meeting with the building committee and the architect, since we authorized the architectural contract to be sub-is that (inaudible). Corrie: No, we need to go with the attorney, he had a couple of minor things... (Inaudible-blank) Anderson: ... we are on track with that and we are hoping to get those documents together. I've had some discussions with the architect since our last council meeting. They put together some information at our last council meeting they were talking about that-Keith and I were talking about a construction management and now they have put together some information and they have talked to some construction management companies and the actual construction management companies have come back and told the architect that they don't feel that would necessarily be the right way to go with this project because of the size and the scope of it. That it's not large enough to really be a benefit. They think it could actually slow the project and actually make the project cost a little bit more. So they are recommending that we just pick three or four good builders when we hand out the plans and make sure that these builders bid on it and just use the builder as the construction manager too. So something that we need to probably get squared away tonight too, because at the last council meeting we l ( MERIDIAN CITY COuNCIL I RURAL FIRE JOINT SPECIAL MEETING FEBRUARY 2, 1999 PAGE 2 were going under the guys that we thought construction management would be cheaper way to go. As it turns out, that's probably not the case. So station one is pretty much on track and we are hoping to be I guess into that building by December of this year here, 1999. (Inaudible-blank) Anderson: ... .do the preliminary planning now on station two. One of the first critical steps that we talked about was trying to down (Inaudible) our site that we have out there on Ten Mile was going to be sufficient. Nick had done a drawing initially planning on a three man engine company and building the station with living quarters and (Inaudible) to accommodate that. The site is a little over a half acre. It would probably accommodate a three bay, not a three bay, a fire station with two bays and three man engine company there, (Inaudible). However, Kenny and I believe yourself had some discussions with Ada County Paramedics regarding their possible interest in moving them to some of our stations. Commissioner Ingram and myself had a meeting, was that last week? Ingram: Last Wednesday. Anderson: With Mike Irving who is the intern director of the Ada County Paramedics and he also indicated to us that they were very interested. They currently house a rig out here at St. Lukes on Eagle Road, they would like to position that rig a little further to the west. They would like to go into our main station if possible when it's built, which I think would be a good deal because initially we are going to be building that station so that it is large enough to accommodate eventually a truck company coming out of that station so we will have a little additional living space and we can fit an ambulance in one of the truck bays. So I think we could work out a lease agreement with them where we could lease them space back on a monthly or yearly basis. I think they would be willing to sign probably a yearly, or maybe even a two year lease agreement. They don't want to be in the long term, they are not looking at 10-15 years, but they would probably go year to year lease type of things. They can't commit to anything long term because the commissioners won't allow them. So I think that might be a way that we could actually recoup part of our expenses on the building or we bought a little larger site than we needed and we want to eventually build some training facilities there too, so maybe that money could be earmarked and set aside toward those things. Additionally, we talked about station two and they would like to go out at that station too. He was going to get us an answer back before tonight's meeting and he didn't get back with me, did he get back with you? So they were going to try and give us an indication whether they would commit to station two. The problem with station two is if we put anything more than the three man engine company there, we are going to need a bigger piece of ground. It's just not big enough to... ,r- ( ( MERIDIAN CITY COuNCIL I RURAL FIRE JOINT SPECIAL MEETING FEBRUARY 2, 1999 PAGE 3 (Inaudible-blank) Anderson: ... we've done some preliminary checking on whether we could buy a couple of residential lots near that existing (Inaudible) that we have. I think Steve checked on a couple of them to the north of it. What did they tell you on that? Bravo: The only ones that are available are the ones-joining directly to the north, there is two parcels. This is how the guy explained it to me, I'm sure this is not set in stone, but he said if we wanted to, he would be more than happy to... (Inaudible-blank) Bravo: The way he explained it is that they bought it from another developer and they are asking roughly $33,000 for each lot, but if a person was to buy that, which (Inaudible) buy that lot, they are the builder. The people that are developing the property is also-they have to buy the housing from them and have them build it. They are trying to recoup... (I naudible-blank) Bravo: ... all right, they would have to ask for a higher price to buy it out right. In the same breath, which I thought was kind of (Inaudible) news party, also said yeah, because we want that there because we've been toting this as one of the amenities to the subdivision is that you are going to have fire and rescue right next door to you. Still the lot, base parcel lots are $33,000 to $35,000, one of those two. They have their water, sewer already put in, phone lines in. Anderson: I checked on the two lots immediately to the south of it. Gary Smith the engineer got the name of the developer and the developer said those lots are all sold to a builder already and they would not be interested in selling those to us, because it would distract from the interest going... (Inaudible-blank) Anderson: ... unlike that piece of ground that we wouldn't be able to buy anything next to it and expand. What we may want to do is get Kenny and maybe go out and look at some other property within a half mile radius of there and see if there is anything else that may be available... (Inaudible-blank) Bravo: This is contingent upon what the Ada County Paramedics come back and let us know, because if they decide that they don't want to go in there, then we could make that piece of ground work for the station too. Also check with Gary, it I. ( MERIDIAN CITY COuNCIL I RURAL FIRE JOINT SPECIAL MEETING FEBRUARY 2, 1999 PAGE 4 sounds like that piece of property was deeded to the city, so there is a possibility then that we may be able to sell that as a dentist office or something like that... (Inaudible-blank) Bird: ... Dedicated lost. Anderson: So what happens if we don't build it? It goes back to the (Inaudible). Rountree: Builder? Or developer or the owner, original owner. Corrie: Let me ask a couple of questions here. Who did you talk to? Bravo: The developer himself. I didn't-I've got it at the shop, but I don't have his name. Corrie: Is that part of Stainers? Bird: No, they sold it. Anderson: They sold it to-this guy, I guess they paid out too much, way too much and they are trying to-that's their situation, they've got to sell everything. Corrie: The other thing is, I sit on the board of directors for the EMS Board and the last thing that we talked about there was that EMS probably would not want that site for about ten years, if at all... (Inaudible-blank) Corrie: ... until we get back with him, that would probably be something that we could think about, but the board wasn't looking... (Inaudible-blank) Corrie: ... north and west for a site, but not for about five to ten years they said so. They did want the one that we had down at the new station. They didn't want that (Inaudible). Anderson: It sounds like they would move the ambulance out, but they would keep the supervisor at St. Lukes because they want to keep the (Inaudible) at St. Lukes. So they wouldn't abandon that site totally. So I think we should go ahead and plan on the existing site that we have now. Another option that is not really well liked by myself or the rural commissioners, as we build the these stations we've been planning on building them with drive-thru bays, but there is always the option if that's the only piece of ground that you've got, that you could make it ( ( MERIDIAN CITY CO-uNCIL I RURAL FIRE JOINT SPECIAL MEETING FEBRUARY 2, 1999 PAGE 5 a non-drive-thru bay and push the station back a little bit further. Gives you more front ramp space with that layout that Nick did, we would only have, I think it was 34 feet of front ramp, which a lot of newer fire trucks are right at that length anyway. So even if you pulled one right out in front of the station, you would be fight at the back of the sidewalk at that point once they widen Ten Mile to it's full width there. As far as station three, and station four, right now it's kind of a wait and see type of game. The development going to the north area and when I say north, I'm talking about somewhere like Ustick Road and Locust Grove area. That area is developing pretty rapidly. Then also the area south of the interstate is starting to take off. Those two are about balanced when you look at them on a map as far as population, water supply that we have available, and then also our runs that are going on. I think the obvious choice for station two is the Ten Mile Cherry Lane area, station three and four, I think will play itself out within the next year or two, whichever one develops the fastest would be where we probably need to go with the station three. Bentley: Do you have a general radius planned out to where, to the north where you might put one? So if we get a (Inaudible) development coming in, maybe we can get... (Inaudible-blank) Bentley: . . . donated. Anderson: I actually do, you know we've got targeted areas and then what we need to do is probably as we get developers coming to us, ask them for a piece of ground. I think what we need to do as a city and rural district is define ahead of time what our minimum lot size, you know for the types of stations that we are going to build needs to be, so that as with these developers come in, we can say well, we need at least % of an acre. So we don't find ourselves in the position we are out here with (Inaudible). Bentley: Like I said, having a main station down here and station two here, then if you go up north, maybe you want to stick the ambulance. Maybe they will want to put the ambulance up there, north and west-you get the bigger... (Inaudible-blank) Bird: ... The south side they give us an acre long, didn't they? Anderson: I think so. Ingram: Has anybody looked into over there off of Ten Mile, there is that vacant piece of land over on the east side of Ten Mile. Has anybody looked into that? ( ( MERIDIAN CITY COuNCIL I RURAL FIRE JOINT SPECI'AL MEETING FEBRUARY 2, 1999 PAGE 6 Anderson: I don't believe that they have. I saw that (Inaudible) there. Ingram: That's a prime piece of land, that corner, I can't remember the name of that street. Bentley: Chateau. Ingram: No, no, no, it's got a goofy name as I remember. Anyway right there on that corner is that little white farm house and then there is some acreage and then the ditch kind of runs back behind there. Bravo: It's right in here, this vacant lot. Ingram: Yeah, one of those corner lots would work pretty well. (Inaudible) Bentley: Ten Mile and Ustick though. Ingram: No, it's between Cherry Lane and Ustick. It's on the corner just that little side of that corner. Bentley: Side street, okay. Ingram: I can't remember the name of the side street is, it starts with a V or something. Victor? Anyway, maybe the possibility of looking into that too. Corner lots I think were pretty well a lot of times for access and stuff. Anderson: You can get by with a smaller lot, if you have access coming in off that side road and then you can drive in (Inaudible). Ingram: So that may be an option for us too, if he's looking to subdivide that or develop it, maybe we can, even if we have to purchase it then, maybe that will workout better, we can get a bigger acreage. Even if we do have to let the other one go. Bird: Of course the other one I think with what we've got plans for EMS don't want to go out there, then it will be sufficient. I don't see you having a lot of commercial (Inaudible). Bravo: Sufficient with some hassle? That's what I'm kind of getting at, it'll work, but we got a chance of dinging up trucks and getting in peoples ways. Anderson: If we make a drive-thru station, it's going to be hard to get around behind it. The turning radius that would be required to get into the building would ( ( \ MERIDIAN CITY COuNCIL / RURAL FIRE JOINT SPECIAL MEETING FEBRUARY 2,1999 PAGE 7 make it tight. We could end up with a few scrapes on the sides of trucks and stuff like that. Ingram: We would like to avoid. Anderson: The other option like I said is make it a backend station... Bravo: Move it back. (I naudible-blank) Anderson: I guess another possibility, we are talking a lot about EMS, I think EMS would only want to go maybe in one or two of Meridian's stations ultimately, because their objective is to cover the entire county. So they are also looking at Eagle, at eventually housing an ambulance out there. As Kuna has their own transport ambulance at this time, but star and Kuna, as those areas develop, they probably will end up with houses out there or buildings out there. What Mike indicated to us is that they want to be to the point where they are not totally committed, that they could use a facility for five to ten years and if population and run dictate that they need to go somewhere else, they go somewhere else... (inaudible-blank) Anderson: Another possibility that I was thinking of, I know in Nampa right now, the police are looking at doing satellite or small mini substations for the police. I don't know if Chief Gordon has any ideas of doing anything like that in the future, but there is the possibility of doing a joint police/fire thing if they need a satellite, you know, a substation for the police or something. Talk about the community policing. I know that Boise is starting to put small stations in some of the Albertson stores, it would seem like you could put a small office or whatever off of a fire station and maybe you could do some of those types of things too. (Inaudible) Ingram: Building department guys or inspectors, they run out of the fire stations too, they've got a small desk and a fax machine with a modem on there and they go out... (Inaudible-blank) Ingram: ... morning and see them again just before they go home and they download all their stuff and go home. Leave their city vehicle parked there and... (Inaudible-blank) ( ( MERIDIAN CITY COuNCIL I RURAL FIRE JOINT SPECIAL MEETING FEBRUARY 2, 1999 PAGE 8 Anderson: Another thing that we really need to look at in the next years budget is the apparatus. What Meridian is doing right now... (Inaudible-blank) Anderson: ... commission meetings and when Kenny is. Because of the type of apparatus that they have bought in the past, they end up taking two and sometimes three different rigs to a-take for example a vehicle accident where they need medical equipment, extrication equipment and a possibility of a fire existing anytime you have an auto extrication or vehicle accident. So they end up taking sometimes three different rigs to one call. Where, with the right type of apparatus that was specked out right, compartmentation and equipment, things like that, they could do that with one vehicle. So we need to definitely look at buying an apparatus and making it so that these guys are more one unit... (Inaudible-blank) Bentley: . . . You got the time frame on station two? Anderson: Well, I think the time frames in my mind are pretty (Inaudible) upon the rural district. I think the city, if we decide that we want to do it, we have the funds. I just don't know... Bravo: Recap on what I was saying here. When were you ready for that so. Anderson: In my mind, the city could commit to building it in the next fiscal year. Whether you guys all agree with that philosophy or not, I don't know. Bravo: We would be willing to pay, to keep playing the catch-up game. We will have the funds, but it looks to me like we are going to need two possibly three years to get solvent again. We are still (Inaudible) this year in our budget, we took it to the full $800,000, but we still got three months to go between when this ends and receive more money again. That is going to put a crimp on that we are going to borrow from that money again. Anderson: Has any decision been made on the equity that you have in the parent station? Bravo: That can all be worked out. You guys have got-you know, when we get this one up, then everything is up. Me and Mike have talked, thafs when we will start deciding what we want to do. Bentley: Because what we stated before, the city wants to have sole ownership of that property and whether you take your equity and transfer it in to one or the other stations to help get that going, that would help your budget too. (- (' MERIDIAN CITY COtJI'JCIL I RURAL FIRE JOINT SPECIA'L.'MEETING FEBRUARY 2,1999 PAGE 9 Anderson: They also are in need of replacing a tanker truck... (Inaudible-blank) Anderson: ...It's time to be replaced. (Inaudible-blank) Bravo: ... figuring our apparatus, there is a couple of the trucks that are being utilized like we would like to see them... (Inaudible-blank) Bravo: ... once were because of our manpower situation where we have three people going out... (Inaudible-blank) Bravo: ...go toward something that is more useful for both entities too. So... (Inaudible-blank) Bravo: Like I say, we've got equity and that's always a safety net, but all I'm getting at is that we owe you guys, I don't have the list, but (Inaudible) like the stuff you guys bought at the end of the year budget that you guys went out and bought everything that you needed to buy and that's on the list to purchase back eventually; when we get more funds. I would imagine to see that list possibly by the end of this budget year grow a little bit more. Some of it we did factor in, there are something on the list that we covered here in the budget. My point is that we've stretched this out all the way, we've got a three month lag time there that we are going to have to make up again. We will be in better shape next year to commit a little more funds to it. Eventually it will project out to where we can't pay for everything that we are agreeing to, but we would need your help and understanding that if you want to commit the funds and you had the funds available that we would just go on and keep paying as we go and catching it up. It's just (Inaudible) it's going to take about three years to get it to where we have the money that we can start committing right up front... (Inaudible-blank) Rountree: ... you are not being neglected? Bravo: No, we are trying to keep up with that part. ( (.. MERIDIAN CITY COuNCIL I RURAL FIRE JOINT SPECIAL MEETING FEBRUARY 2, 1999 PAGE 10 Ingram: We did have to cut it back a little bit this year, but we are still, we know that we've got to replace the (Inaudible) and we are going to-the engine is do wear out. I mean we are trying to factor in enough to keep those, keep our equipment as new and current as we can. Bravo: Plus we are probably going over our estimated budget for the downtown station anyway, that's going to put a little more crimp in it, so I can just see-I just want to reassure you guys that we are, we do have the funds coming in, but it will be probably year three before we can actually pay at the time we need to pay. (Inaudible-blank) Bravo: It already started, just got it last week. (Inaudible) Bravo: Yeah, but here is the way it works. We are told that even though you ask for $800,000 you might only get $700,000. It depends on who pays there taxes and things like that. There is no guarantee that we are going to get the full amount and we get the biggest chunk in January which I got, we got $446,000. Then we are-there is-we get a little bit of sales tax money which will be a bigger chunk, somebody is going to loose out on that, since our budget went up, we get a bigger percentage of that. I just got a $7,000 check for that. So there is going to be a little bit of money in there. I'm guesstimating maybe $15,000- $20,000 over our $800,000 coming in from other sources. Ingram: But we may not get the fun $800,000. Bravo: Right, so I can't give you any answers as far as what we would commit on paying back on, until I get that last check in July, because I don't know what it's going to be. Rountree: Want to make sure you were rolling along with what your projections are (Inaudible). Bravo: We are right on the money if we get our money. The first priority is to pay back the loan we took. That takes priority over anything and is figured in here. We got the $40,000 put away for the fire truck fund. We've got the $240,000 to commit to for the new station, then we've got a $16,000 for capital outlay and truck equipment and then our... . (Inaudible-blank) (r- ( MERIDIAN CITY CO.uNCIL I RURAL FIRE JOINT SPECIAL MEETING FEBRUARY 2,1999 PAGE 11 Bravo: I just want to let you guys know that it looks like it's going to work, but it will require some patience on your part as far as knowing that we will have the money, we just don't have all that up front yet. Ingram: We are in a lot better shape then we were last year. Bravo: Year three we will be cooking. Bentley: That's all the questions I had for them. (Inaudible-blank) Ingram: I'm very hopeful, I think I'm pretty optimistic, but within the next three years, by the end of the next third year, at the very least we should have two stations up and running. (Inaudible-blank) Ingram: ... very least, hopefully, maybe going on a third. If everything went really well-at least planning it. Corrie: (Inaudible). It doesn't look like it so. Bravo: Fortunately for us, the way they laid us out, we are pretty safe. If people go broke, everybody else picks up the slack, but if (Inaudible) we don't get anything extra for that either. It's kind of a catch 22. (Inaudible) Ingram: Can somebody look into that other piece of property, that vacant land, see if they are willing to talk to us? (I naudible-blank) Anderson: Instruct Kenny to do that, because I don't have time to do it. Ingram: I know that I don't right now. Okay, it doesn't hurt to find out information. If the guys says no way, then that's fine. We'll make due with what we've got. Corrie: Okay, with that I'll entertain a motion to adjourn the sp~cial meeting of City Council. Rountree: So moved. MERIDIAN CITY CtuNCIL I RURAL FIRE JOINT SPECICL MEETING FEBRUARY 2, 1999 PAGE 12 Anderson: Second. Corrie: Motion made and second that we adjourn the special meeting. All those in favor say aye. Ingram: Entertain a motion to adjourn the Rural Fire Protection District Joint Meeting. Bravo: Make a motion to adjourn rural meeting. Ingram: I'll second. All in favor? MOTION CARRIED: All ayes. Meeting adjourned at 7:29 P.M. (TAPE ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS) APPROVE: "\,\1.,411>>1111,,, .A."'V~ '* ~I.F~~III/~ ~... - J.. '"'\ __~_"_"~l..~ia ~ ~6' ~~-~~~ f "# % "\ .t' "i € SEAL ~ ~ ~ ~ -,: A'>;: ~ ~ "~ID ~ ~~~r1g~. ~s ~ ~ ~~ ,~ #L ~. -... rfI""J '1fV ,... ~'A .-VUrc t ,. ...,.....-.. .~/, \\\'" Ill/lUll -t1 "l\ \ ATTEST: