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HomeMy WebLinkAboutUstick Bapist Church Sewer AlternativesMERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING: August 19.1997 APPLICANT: ITEM NUMBER: 16 REQUEST: USTICK BAPTIST CHURCH SEWER ALTERNATNES AGENCY CITY CLERK: CITY ENGINEER: CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: CITY ATTORNEY: CITY POLICE DEPT: CITY FIRE DEPT: CITY BUILDING DEPT: MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: MERIDIAN POST OFFICE: ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: ADA COUNTY STREET NAME COMMITTEE: CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: SETTLERS IRRIGATION: IDAHO POWER: US WEST: INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: BUREAU OF RECLAMATION: COMMENTS OTHER: All Materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. ^ IISTICK ~(~~ BA1''FIST CHURCH 3080 Wildwood St. • Boise, Idaho 83713 • (208) 322-1808 July 22, 1997 TO: Meridian City Council FROM: Ustick Baptist Church 3080 Wildwood St. Boise, Id 83713 JUC 2 3 ~9°1 ...,~ ~ ;, y, - a SUBJECT: Request for meeting ~e~~ ~~ ~. ~~ ~~' ~ ~ ~ s~ Dear Council Members, ~ ~`' a, ~ /~~ Our church owns ten acres as of Eagle Road off McMillan Road. We wish to build a church this year or possibly next year. After discovering how expensive it would be to have our property tested for a septic system as well as the additional expense of installing this system we began searching for alternatives. Because it appears that the Meridian sewer system will not reach our area for some time we are hopeful that the Council will give us per- mission to hook up to the Boise sewer system. The Boise sewer system currently ends at the northeast corner of our property. May we please be placed on your agenda at your earliest convenience. Thank you very much for your consideration. Sincerely, U ~S' ,. Greg Reider, stor ?,~ ~ ~9 ~ 7~~e~°c~ Ustick Baptist Church ~/~~ ~~~ ~~/~~ Cl~ ~ - ~~ .~~~ ~ ~1ST1CK ~~~ BAI''FIST CHURCH 3080 Wildwood St. • Boise, Id4ho 83713 • (208) 322-1808 July 22, 1997 TO: Meridian City Council FROM: Ustick Baptist Church 3080 Wildwood St. Boise, Id 83713 SUBJECT: Request for meeting Dear Council Members, ~:~~~~, J U L 2 3 ~9~ ~ ~~:~~~i1~1~,3~ Our church owns ten acres East of Eagle Road off McMillan Road. We wish to build a church this year or possibly next year. After discovering how expensive it would be to have our property tested for a septic system as well as the additional expense of installing this system we began searching for alternatives. Because it appears that the Meridian sewer system will not reach our area for some time we are hopeful that the Council will give us per- mission to hook up to the Boise sewer system. The Boise sewer system currently ends at the northeast corner of our property. May we please be placed on your agenda at your earliest convenience. Thank you very much for your consideration. Sincerely, u~~ Greg Reider, stor ?- 2 ~ - Ustick Baptist Church OFFICIALS WILLIAM G. BERG, JR., City Clerk JANICE L. GASS, City Treasurer GARY D. SMITH, P.E. City Engineer BRUCE D. STUART, Water Works Supt. JOHN T. SHAWCROFT, Waste Water Supt. KENNY W. BOWERS, Fire Chief W.L. "BILL" GORDON, Police Chief WAYNE G. CROOKSTON, JR., Attorney April 21, 1995 HUB OF TREASURE VALLEY Mr. Greg Allen, Architect Armstrong Architects 404 S. Eighth St., Suite 300 Boise, ID 83702 Re: Ustick Baptist Church Dear Mr. Allen: GRANT P. KINGSFORD Mayor COUNCIL MEMBERS RONALD R. TOLSMA MAX YERRINGTON ROBERT D. CORRIE WALT W. MORROW SHARI STILES Planner & Zoning Administrator JIM JOHNSON Chairman ~ Planning 8 Zoning In response to your letter dated February 8, 1995, regarding hookup of a future church site to Boise City services, the City Council of Meridian voted to disallow hookup of any utilities to Boise City for properties within our Area of Impact. Per our agreement with Boise City, they have agreed not to hook up any properties within our Area of Impact without the City of Meridian's consent. Attached are copies of the minutes of the Apri14, 1995 City Council meeting wherein this item was discussed and acted upon. If you have questions or need additional information, please do not hesitate to contact me. Sincerely, CITY OF MERIDIAN Shari Stiles Planning & Zoning Administrator A Good Place to Live CITY OF MERIDIAN 33 EAST IDAHO MERIDIAN, IDAHO 83642 Phone (208) 888-4433 • FAX (208) 887-4813 Public Works/Building Department (208) 887-2211 /Attachment cc: William G. Berg, Jr., City Clerk Meridian City Council April 4, 1995 Page 23 to that by allowing small groups to hook up to Boise sewer because the next thing is it would be Boise water and then other things. And then it is a real short step for Boise City Council to say we are servicing the area so we ought to zone and annex it into our City. So that is how I see the issue. Kingsford: Other comments of the Council? Tolsma: My sentiments exactly. Kingsford: I guess probably it would be appropriate to have a motion from the Council to deny requests within our area of impact. Morrow: I would move that we deny any request to hook up to the Boise City sewer or any other Boise City services that lie within our area of impact. Yerrington: Second Kingsford: Moved by Walt, second by Max to disallow the hook up of sewer or water or other utilities for the City of Boise within our area of impact, all those in favor? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All Yea Kingsford: Anything else Shari? Stiles: Just on a related note, I don't know if any of you noticed it in the Statesman in the last week to ten days, they have passed an ordinance for that. So if we can get hot and heavy with them and get them to see our point of view, I don't know that there is anybody there that fully understands the issues and they have had conflicting reports that we wouldn't be out here for 50 years. Morrow: Who passed the ordinance, Boise City? Stiles: The Ada County Commissioners. Morrow: The Ada County Commissioners passed an ordinance for what? Stiles: Removing this from our impact area, but that was it. Morrow: So they have never recognized our Comprehensive Plan? Kingsford: They have never approved our Comprehensive Plan, they have never f ' `r a Meridian City Council April 4, 1995 Page 22 ', (Inaudibl$) Kingsford: Shari? Stiles: Meyor and Council we always receive letters from people requesting that they be able to sewer to Boise City. In the last 2 weeks we have received another 2 requests. One of them is, right next to what Gary Voigt is developing on the Comer of Eagle and McMillan, it is a Baptist Church, Ustick Baptist Church, they have made a request. Also, there is another woman where half of her property is in the other impact area and the other is in ours. I d;idn't know, Will thought it would be best to bring this up and ask you how you want me Lto respond to those people. Would you rather them come before you, do you want me to just say not just no, do you want to look at them at a site specific. It is going to be a continual problem until we just decide how we deal with it. I also can use your help still with Ada County Planning or Ada County Commissioners on the impact area. I think it is pretty important that all of you contact those Commissioners and let them know what we expedt. To date any letters that have been written have not had much impact. Do you have some direction for me on what to tell these people. To tell them absolutely not or what? Kingsford: Comments from the Council? Morrow: ', I guess my comments would be and I have said it before, I don't agree with anything ,with respect to the concept that is being done of the 1 /4 east, north, south whatever';, direction it might be from section lines and I think thanks to the Meridian School District we ended up with a mess in the NE corner over there. The vehicle for Boise City to cross Cloverdale Road was the school district and the sewer issue. And I think if we grant permission for onsies and twosies to hook to the Boise sewer then all of a sudden that is basically granting permission for that property to go. It is not very big jump and Boise City is rushing as fast as they can to put as much in terms of improvements as they can in the ground to cement their position over there although it doesn't make good sense from any',point of view that 1 can see. So I guess my position would be is that no we don't because once the thing is hooked up to the Boise City sewer then 2 things could happen, one is that it is a very small step to have that ground lost in terms of impact area and secondly',at some point in time is that property going to be re-hooked up to Meridian sewer. I don't see that's happening, that is an argument that doesn't get very well won. So it ~~ seems to me like the position of the City ought to be firmly fixed and that we ought to aggressiWely pursue the County Commissioners to kind of stop this stuff. Potentially what has happened is that we have gone from a point over the last 3 or 4 years of orderly growth bbth for the City of Meridian and the City of Boise to a position now where in this NE comer we could have 12,000 people there in the space of a very short period of time and talk about urban sprawl. It appears to me that afl we would be doing is contributing Y ~~~~~~~ FE ~ - ~ i~~~ CI'T'Y t;~ ~ ~~._ 2 ~.r.:~~:ii~3~! A R M S T R O N G A R C H I T E C T S 404 S. 8TH ST. SUITE 300 • BOISE, ID 83702 • 8TH ST. MARKET PLACE • (208) 389-1200 February 8, 1995 Mr. Will Berg, Jr. Meridian City Clerk 33 E. Idaho Avenue Meridian ID 83642 Dear Mr. Berg: On behalf of the Ustick Baptist Church in Boise, I am writing to request that the church be allowed to negotiate with Boise City for sewer and water services for the ten-acre vacant site the church owns on the south side of McMillan Road, one-quarter mile west of the Eagle Road intersection. I have attached a vicinity map showing the location of the property for your information. Please note that the parcel is in Meridian's Area of Impact, but Boise City's Area of Impact touches the church's east property line. On February 7th I met with your Fire Marshall, Skip Voss, and Public Works Director, Gary Smith. We discussed the fact that Boise City sewer and water services are closer to the project site than the same services from Meridian. It was Gary's suggestion that I send this request to you. I have attached our Master Plan for the ten-acre site so that you may see the scope of the church's future plans for growth over the next two decades. It will most likely build the sanctuary and Sunday school building first. Please consider this request and feel free to call me if you have any questions. If a Council hearing is required, I would appreciate the opportunity to attend and be available to answer any questions. Thank you. 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CROOKSTON, JR., Attorney April 21, 1995 HUB OF TREASURE VALLEY A Good Place to Live CITY OF MERIDIAN 33 EAST IDAHO MERIDIAN, IDAHO 83642 Phone (208) 888-4433 • FAX (208) 887813 Public Works/Building Department (208) 887-2211 GRANT P. KINGSFORD Mayor Mr. Greg Allen, Architect Armstrong Architects 404 S. Eighth St., Suite 300 Boise, ID 83702 Re: Ustick Baptist Church Dear Mr. Allen: COUNCIL MEMBERS RONALD R. TOLSMA MAXVERRINGTON ROBERT D. CORRIE WALT W. MORROW SHARI STILES Planner 8 Zoning Administrator JIM JOHNSON Chairman • Planning 8 Zoning In response to your letter dated February 8, 1995, regarding hookup of a future church site to Boise City services, the City Council of Meridian voted to disallow hookup of any utilities to Boise City for properties within our Area of Impact. Per our agreement with Boise City, they have agreed not to hook up any properties within our Area of Impact without the City of Meridian's consent. Attached are copies of the minutes of the Apri14, 1995 City Council meeting wherein this item was discussed and acted upon. If you have questions or need additional information, please do not hesitate to contact me. Sincerely, CITY OF MERIDIAN ~i+~ L_%~~~s Shari Stiles Planning & Zoning Administrator /Attachment cc: William G. Berg, Jr., City Clerk Meridian City Council April 4, 1995 Page 23 to that by allowing small groups to hook up to Boise sewer because the next thing is it would be Boise water and then other things. And then it is a real short step for Boise City Council to say we are servicing the area so we ought to zone and annex it into our City. So that is how I see the issue. Kingsford: Other comments of the Council? Tolsma: My sentiments exactly. Kingsford: I guess probably it would be appropriate to have a motion from the Council to deny requests within our area of impact. Morrow: 1 would move that we deny any request to hook up to the Boise City sewer or any other Boise City services that lie within our area of impact. Yerrington: Second Kingsford: Moved by Walt, second by Max to disallow the hook up of sewer or water or other utilities for the City of Boise within our area of impact, all those in favor? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All Yea Kingsford: Anything else Shari? Stiles: Just on a related note, I don't know if any of you noticed it in the Statesman in the last week to ten days, they have passed an ordinance for that. So if we can get hot and heavy with them and get them to see our point of view, I don't know that there is anybody there that fully understands the issues and they have had conflicting reports that we wouldn't be out here for 50 years. Morrow: Who passed the ordinance, Boise City? Stiles: The Ada County Commissioners. Morrow: The Ada County Commissioners passed an ordinance for what? Stiles: Removing this from our impact area, but that was it. Morrow: So they have never recognized our Comprehensive Plan? Kingsford: They have never approved our Comprehensive Plan, they have never Meridian City Council April 4, 1995 Page 22 (Inaudible) Kingsford: Shari? Stiles: Mayor and Council we always receive letters from people requesting that they be able to sewer to Boise City. In the last 2 weeks we have received another 2 requests. One of them is right next to what Gary Voigt is developing on the Comer of Eagle and McMillan, it is a Baptist Church, Ustick Baptist Church, they have made a request. Also, there is another woman where half of her property is in the other impact area and the other is in ours. I didn't know, Will thought it would be best to bring this up and ask you how you want me to respond to those people. Would you rather them come before you, do you want me to just say not just no, do you want to look at them at a site specific. It is going to be a continual problem until we just decide how we deal with it. I also can use your help still with Ada County Planning or Ada County Commissioners on the impact area. 1 think it is pretty important that all of you contact those Commissioners and let them know what we expect. To date any letters that have been written have not had much impact. Do you. have some direction for me on what to tell these people. To tell them absolutely not or what? Kingsford: Comments from the Council? Morrow: I guess my comments would be and I have said it before, I don't agree with anything with respect to the concept that is being done of the 1/4 east, north, south whatever direction it might be from section lines and I think thanks to the Meridian School District we ended up with a mess in the NE corner over there. The vehicle for Boise City to cross Cloverdale Road was the school district and the sewer issue. And I think if we grant permission for onsies and twosies to hook to the Boise sewer then all of a sudden that is basically granting permission for that property to go. It is not very big jump and Boise City is rushing as fast as they can to put as much in terms of improvements as they can in the ground to cement their position over there although it doesn't make good sense from any point of view that I can see. So I guess my position would be is that no we don't because once the thing is hooked up to the Boise City sewer then 2 things could happen, one is that it is a very small step to have that ground lost in terms of impact area and secondly at some point in time is that property going to be re-hooked up to Meridian sewer. I don't see that's happening, that is an argument that doesn't get very well won. So it -- seems to me like the position of the City ought to be firmly fixed and that we ought to aggressively pursue the County Commissioners to kind of stop this stuff. Potentially what has happened is that we have gone from a point over the last 3 or 4 years of orderly growth both for the City of Meridian and the City of Boise to a position now where in this NE comer we could have 12,000 people there in the space of a very short period of time and talk about urban sprawl. It appears to me that all we would be doing is contributing