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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2004 12-22 Joint Ada CountyMeridian City Council & ACC Joint Meeting December 22, 2004 The Meridian City Council meeting was called to order at 10:00 A.M. on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 by Mayor Tammy de Weerd. Members Present: Mayor Tammy de Weerd, Keith Bird and Christine Donnell. Staff Present: Anna Canning, Brad Watson, Kenny Bowers, Joe Silva, Bill Nary, Ted Baird, Doug Strong and Will Berg. Others Present: Judy Peavey-Derr, Fred Tilman, and Rick Yzaguirre Item 1. Roll-call Attendance: X Shaun Wardle X__Christine Donnell X__ Charlie Rountree X Keith Bird _X_ Mayor Tammy de Weerd Judy Peavey-Derr Fred Tilman Rick Yzaquirre Introduction for the record: Will Berg, Doug Carnahan, Keith Bird, Tammy de Weerd, Christine Donnell, Mark Pecchenino, Pete Treatman, Kenny Bowers, Jerry Armstrong, Joe Silva, Anna Canning, Ted Baird, Bill Nary, Doug Strong, Brad Watson, Burt Ellis, Katie Kreller. Item 2. Adoption of the Agenda: Item 3. Initial Discussions Regarding Proposed Area of City Impact Adjustment for the City of Meridian: Peavey-Derr: We have just gone as you know through the process with Eagle and Star and they weren’t happy. So, it’s a no-win situation. At any rate, if you could, Mark, explain what we did in that process and how that process worked and so then everybody is familiar with what this meeting is the beginning of and then what we go through and also according to the map what we did on the other night with Eagle and Star when we made our maps. Thank you. Pecchenino: Madame Chair, Commissioners, Mayor and members of the Meridian Council staff the process is Meridian did a formal request and within 30 days of that we had this initial meeting. After the initial meeting, Meridian will submit additional information and the Commission may elect to hold a work session or a negotiations meeting to discuss the areas of impact. After the negotiations have been completed then staff will review the information provided by the city and that information will then go before the Planning and Zoning Commission for a public hearing and then they will make a recommendation and then it will go to the board for their final decision. I didn’t bring the maps, but basically – De Weerd: That’s not quite right, Mark, from what we understand – Tilman: Madame Chairman, I believe the process would be that we negotiate and then we would come to an agreement, so otherwise we would come to some agreement and then once we had an agreement then we would send that ordinance – whatever we agree upon has to be in an ordinance form and that ordinance would go through the Planning and Zoning and the public process – just for clarification. Pecchenino: Well, when I said negotiate I didn’t go into too much detail, but – Tilman: Technically, that’s kind of the procedural process we have to go through. Peavey-Derr: And if we don’t come to an agreement then it’s either court or a committee of nine. So, those are all options, but it doesn’t necessarily end at this juncture. So, I just wanted to make everybody aware there are a lot of steps in this process. Okay, go ahead Mark. Pecchenino: We have – Eagle had originally requested this area – we don’t have the Eagle map, but this portion – this is on the south side – Peavey-Derr: Jerry do you have that? Would you go and get that map or staff? Thank you very much. Pecchenino: Basically, it’s on this partial line on the south side of the (inaudible) canal and to the Chinden Boulevard. The Commission drew the Eagle boundary along the (inaudible) canal and left this area in the county and this is the area that Meridian has requested. This map is a newer map that staff developed. The light blue are residents that Meridian has indicated have requested to be included in the Meridian Area of Impact on December 21st the Commission received a letter from residents in this subdivision and those in the dark blue are residents of requesting that they be included in the Eagle Area of Impact. Tilman: Which subdivision is that Mark? Pecchenino: Spurwing. It’s the Almaden Subdivision. Speaker?: Chairman, just for clarification the white parcels are parcels that we have not heard from and we don’t know what they would prefer? Is that correct? Pecchenino: That’s correct. This parcel here, this small parcel – so basically staff has requested that the Commission start a contact or has made initial phone inquiries for residents and why we have not heard from any of the residents and maybe because of the holidays, but the only parcel owners that we have heard from is this small one here and that party was fairly neutral, they didn’t care (inaudible) – if they had to choose they would rather be in the Meridian area. Peavey-Derr: For purposes of our recorder, if you could mention somewhat – so when she does the transcription or does the minutes (inaudible) refer to a parcel in white, where is that parcel? Do we know the road that that’s on, Mark? Pecchenino: Yes, that parcel is off of Black Cat Road and when Pete gets back, he actually made the contacts and he will know the parties. There is a parcel (inaudible) in between the Edgar’s property. Peavey-Derr: Thank you. At this juncture the outline area in red has all been excluded from Eagle’s area of interest that they requested in their area of impact. They had wanted this (inaudible). The decision we made the other night was to exclude it and leave it in the county because we were aware of this interest by Meridian as well as the property owners in that area. Is that correct? Pecchenino: That is correct, Commissioner. Tilman: Chairman, I might just for (inaudible) of all those available here that also the process could be if we decide that we literally could grant both Eagle and Meridian the same territory. Otherwise, if there is an overlap we theoretically could grant both the City of Eagle that to be included in their area of impact and we could include that even for Meridian to be in their area of impact at which point then the law would then allow for a vote of all of those residents; based upon the results of that vote would determine which impact fee it would go. One of the things we found in some of the others though is trying to accommodate the citizens, the property owners the best we can. We found that if you can go out and try to visit with property owners ahead of time and try and get a sense of maybe where the property owners feel like they would be best suited, it might help us start moving in some direction and start seeing some definition as far as what the property owners’ interests are. Beyond that, certainly, one of the things that we would be looking for in this negotiated process is for our staffs to be able to discuss how are services going to be provided and what time frame, an idea of what – I think the statutes talk about what is the closest market area potential, I mean, that can be a pretty vague kind of an idea – (inaudible) if there are any geographic considerations as to why you might want to draw lines in certain places and create area of impact responsibility from one city to another is maybe because of some specific geographic (inaudible----) statistics and things like that. Peavey-Derr: Mark could you tell me where the City of Eagle is at this juncture in terms of this – in other words are any of these properties here contiguous to Eagle at this juncture where adjoining property owners could request being included in Eagle? Pecchenino: Are you talking about city limits? Peavey-Derr: Uh-huh. Pecchenino: Madame Chair, I think they are several parcels away from the city limits (inaudible--------------) and affect on the map. Pete has it. Tilman: Mark on this map, obviously that Spurwing was a density, happens to be. It looks like the golf course is in blue. The golf course wants to be in Meridian and the residents in white – (Inaudible discussion) Carnahan: We haven’t done an exact poll, but the majority of people I have talked to, of course the people we know belong to the country club, would prefer to be in Meridian and one of the reasons for that is that there is still some development work to be done that does require sewers in that (inaudible), so they all see that as an advantage (inaudible) for services. Tilman: Obviously, you are looking at developing some of the property in the blue area. And your interest in being in Meridian is what? Carnahan: Primarily, it’s infrastructure. (Inaudible discussion ---------) Carnahan: I don’t know if you want me to go on with the long story now, but when we initiated the work the four primary landowners who happened to know one another got together and said what would be our interest in terms of what community? So, our research started with the infrastructure and the services that we could get. We did talk to (inaudible) and so on and in Meridian and it looked like the obvious answer was Meridian. So, we went and attended all the meetings, the meetings held by Eagle and some Star meetings and met with Meridian and it looks like sewer wise that is the only game in town. Peavey-Derr: So, that allows you to develop sooner is what you are saying because of the services that are closer and available? Carnaha n: Right. Speaker?: Madame Chairman if I may ask staff or anybody that might know, how is sewer being provided in the land area right now? Carnahan: To the south about two miles is the sewer plant and there are planned developments to the south of the blue there and there are some sewer plans that are kind of a work in the process for that area. Speaker?: But, today how is the sewer being provided? De Weerd: We have our Public Works Director here. Go ahead. Watson: Thank you. Brad Watson again. I do have a little sewer map if that would help you. Peavey-Derr: That would be wonderful. While you are handing that out, Brad, on this map that we have just given you on the Star and Eagle impact areas, Mark, looking at it the light green is Eagle. Are you telling me that these areas that are developed here up to the dotted black and dotted red lines are not the City of Eagle? Pecchenino: Madame Mayor that is correct. The city limits in Eagle are about -- the closest parcel in the city limits are about a mile away from this proposed area that we are talking about. Peavey-Derr: So, this is a development that is not in the city limits, but in the area impact of Eagle? Pecchenino: No. It’s – the red line is Eagle’s current area of impact. The black dotted line is what Eagle is requesting to add, so it abuts this current area of impact. Is that --? Peavey-Derr: Yeah, so what I am saying is the city limits are not up to that red and black line? Pecchenino: That is correct. The closest one is a mile away. Peavey-Derr: So, city services aren’t out there in that subdivision or whatever that is at this juncture? Pecchenino: That is correct. De Weerd: Madame Chair. Peavey-Derr: Yes. De Weerd: City services that can’t go further west. They have had property owners to the west of where this green area is, come to Meridian (inaudible -------------). They are in Eagle’s area of impact and (inaudible--------) did not, but to what their sewer district and maybe Brad can address that because they did have a study done on that too. So, I’ll just leave it to you. Peavey-Derr: Yeah, if you could help me there. Watson: I will just briefly describe this map that I am handing out. Everything south of US 20-26 shown on that map has been mastered planned for years for the City of Meridian. When the property owners came to us earlier this year – Peavey-Derr: -- the property owners north of that? Okay. Watson: -- Council directed my department to initiate a little regional sewer study of this area and this is what you see in front of you is the results of that study. It shows that we can with the construction of our existing facilities and some minor modifications sewer this area. Peavey-Derr: And that area for the record is north of 20-26 between Phyllis Canal and Highway 20-26 and east of North Ten Mile Road and west of Linder Road. So, in that square you can service that area? Watson: This study actually encompassed Linder Road to McDermott Road, three miles east west. Peavey-Derr: So you can service in the area of impact for Eagle, those communities? All right. Speaker?: Madame Chairman my question was how are they be serviced today? Watson: As far as I know today they are on septic systems. Speaker?: And that includes even Spurwing that’s on the septic system – (Inaudible discussion). Speaker?: Individual septic systems? Watson: Individual septic. Speaker?: So, they are not on a community system? Watson: Correct. Peavey-Derr: Let me ask you then on while I have got you. Let’s go west of Highway 16 on the Emmett Road. You haven’t looked at anything there have you? This property that we are talking about today, this blue piece goes up to Emmett Highway. Is that correct, Doug? Carnahan: Well, if you extended north Black Cat Road, it’s probably the closest connection to Highway 16 to the north. Peavey-Derr: What is this road right here? Carnahan: That isn’t actually a road. That’s a line to the west of Black Cat because that’s where the Edgar’s property ends and we wanted the Edgar’s property on either side of Black Cat wanted to be in one entity, that’s the reason. Peavey-Derr: Okay, all right. Bird: The proposal of area of impact doesn’t go to McDermott road like the sewer plan that Brad handed out goes completely to McDermott. De Weerd: Madame Chair. Peavey-Derr: Yes. De Weerd: I guess our engineers plan and (inaudible -------------------) that’s why we went clear out to McDermott, but they also planned – we know historically that septic systems begin to fall after a certain number of years and they did not (inaudible) those areas even this one in the navy to show that we could service that, if their septics were for sale. Policy of Council has been that we don’t service another area of impacts, so we could take that to south. I don’t know, but whatever your decision is, but as we have seen in the south we want to look at who can best service that area at the most reasonable amount of price to those property owners and keep alliances as straight as we can and we are working in the south with Boise, I know that goes into affect here, but we are trying to figure out what their neighboring cities who can best service those areas so we can keep these alliances as straight as we can. Peavey-Derr: Well, I appreciate the cooperation between cities because it does make it easier. But, I think the ultimate is to serve the taxpayers and I having served on ACHD, nobody really cares who has control as long as it works. So (inaudible -----) that’s history on everything. Tilman: I have a question for your Public Works Director. What about domestic water? Again, I guess how is the water being provided now? Are they on individual wells? Are they on community wells and then what are your plans for waters for serving – high stake water and for irrigation water? Watson: Madame Chair, Mr. Tilman. I don’t know how they are being served with water right now. I do know that we have proposed well sites located on Ten Mile Road and Black Cat Road north of Ustick. They are not built yet, but they are reserved for future domestic wells. This is the lowest line area of our whole system. Hydraulically it’s the best suited to come into our system (inaudible). Speaker?: (Inaudible ---). So United Water acquired the central water system in Spurwing and that’s the way the Spurwing, part of the development is served. I am not certain, but I think everything else to the easterly portion is served by individual wells. De Weerd: And on the west too. Speaker?: What about irrigation? Pressurized irrigation? Speaker?: There is a pressurized irrigation system in Spurwing and I am not sure about all the rest. But, I think there is probably a pressurized system over a lot of it. Peavey-Derr: I guess the other thing and we got some history behind (inaudible) so we are all aware of difficulties that have passed with Meridian and the county when areas wanted to go in and areas of impact had been given to Meridian and then the areas said they wanted to develop and the sewer lines weren’t there. I guess comes is how soon are you folks going to be able to do this in the time frame that the Carnahans and others are asking, so that we don’t get caught in the middle here in a battle that we don’t want to be in? Watson: Madame Chair I was directed last week to initiate design of this system, this one north to Black Cat and it would curve east of Black Cat. There are some funding issues that I need to work out as well as some scheduling to balance out, some upgrades (inaudible) here at the wastewater department facility. So, we are preparing a request for proposal to get an engineer on board to at least initiate design of this. Peavey-Derr: And what is the time frame that you are talking about? Watson: That would be – I would hope to get that to you – Peavey-Derr: I mean, assuming Council says yes. Watson: I need to get those funding scenarios and a better schedule on the wastewater facility upgrade to them next month, hopefully so that we can set out those time lines. I don’t know that we are looking at more than five years, really, but the plant upgrade should be complete in three to four years. So, this project will be – Peavey-Derr: I know it’s an expensive issue and I know the city as all of us are struggle with funds and what not, but Mr. Carnahan does that suit your time frame five years? Carnahan: I would say three years would be preferred, where five years would work, but three years is about what we envisioned getting started. We have a lot of planning, obviously to do. We have done some early work with CHQA Architects, but it’s a big project and so we are thinking three years, plus or minus a year or so would be about right. Peavey-Derr: We have a lot of issues that their (inaudible) and the city worked together on and any ill will on any project makes it difficult for all the others, so we really don’t want to get into an entanglement here, but it appears as though there could be some slippage of time that could result in a working relationship with all of us and it could be a win, win for everybody. Tilman: Madame Chair. One of the other things that we – I guess I would ask the question and in this negotiated process that the City of Meridian would be willing to sit down as an elected body, with the elected body of Eagle, seeing how they have already shown an interest in this area to see if you can’t work out some compromise or agreement as to how you might do that. Would you be willing to do that? De Weerd: Madame Chair we would be willing to do that, but as I understand it they realize that the property owners have requested this in, so if that’s what they want, you know, that’s fine. Tilman: Madame Chair that’s not the message that we got. That’s the reason I was requesting – it would certainly I think and I am not questioning what the property owners – I think there is some of them we haven’t contacted, but in this negotiated process where they had already requested this area (inaudible) impact and now you are requesting it. One of the reasons we have to in the County was so that we would hope that the two of you would be able to sit down, get together and come to us with a recommendation. I am just asking if that will be something you would be willing to do today and whenever we have – Peavey-Derr: Commissioner Tilman, given our recent history and enjoinment of lack of cooperation, we haven’t been too successful in getting those parties together. Pecchenino: I am sure too, when you look at it – (inaudible discussion) Pecchenino: I don’t know where there is a lot of compromise there. Either go one way or the other. I mean – anyway, I don’t see a whole lot of compromise in this. I think it would be good if you made that effort and reached out to the Mayor and to see if there is any interest, but I could almost bet based on the interaction we have had with Eagle and Star the last few weeks that and that gets you very far, but I agree with Fred it would be nice if you could ask the question and then again with Spurwing, I am still not sure where Spurwing is. I mean, we have reached out and with the cities of Star and Eagle and went out into the communities and had a meeting and I think we will do that in this case, but we as a Commission need to go to the Spurwing Homeowner’s Association and bring all those people in and have a meeting like we had in Eagle and Star and actually hear from the landowners and tell us where you want to be. Then we can pull back and go forward from there. Peavey-Derr: That seems to be a good process, but we still get beaten up. Donnell: Madame Chair did I understand correctly that you have already met with Eagle and Star about --? Peavey-Derr: We had a decision the other night. Donnell: And did you suggest that same thing, for them to reach out to the City of Meridian? Peavey-Derr: We ask every time we get a chance that the people be nice to one another and play fair. Pecchenino: We would be happy to contact – Inaudible discussion Pecchenino: Well, we wanted to hear what your application was first. De Weerd: I guess I do want to preface this. We didn’t go out searching for this. The property owners came to us. In fact, both Eagle and Star did approach us to support their applications and we told them we thought they could work that out themselves that we weren’t part of it and then we were approached by the property owners. So, we wouldn’t even be sitting at this table had they not come and approached us. So, we want you to know we did not initiate this and so it’s not like we wanted to be part of your glorious experiences. Peavey-Derr: It has been – it’s initiated a few gray hairs, let’s put it that way. Tilman: Having said that I appreciate very much that – De Weerd: I would be more than happy to see if we could get together. We should get together anyway. Peavey-Derr: Yeah, it would help us. Well, I appreciate hearing from you Mr. Carnahan. I understand the dilemma you are in. Certainly, if you have ownership of this property and wanted to (inaudible) it and frankly for the whole region it’s our preference and I know it’s Central District Health and DEQ to get away from septic systems and for services to be central is everybody’s wish. So, speaking for just myself, I am very willing to work with the city in trying to find a compromise here that would lend to your effort. Mark, did you have anything else you wanted to add? Pecchenino: I have nothing else to add. Tilman: (Inaudible). We have in the process of doing this actually talked to a number of the landowners in the area like Spurwi9ng people, homeowners and would it be helpful if we brought a signed document that said we want to be in one city or the other? Because we know we have had discussions with them and so, I think it’s pretty clear in our mind, but we could maybe facilitate the process by providing a document that clears up individual lot by lot. Peavey-Derr: That would be helpful and yet I still agree with Rick. We would love to go into the community and hold a meeting and verbally hear their testimony, but realizing that in some cases those folks may not be home so any kind of effort that you would make to add further information as to their desires would be helpful. Speaker?: Sure. Chairman I might just add that if you wouldn’t mind coordinating that with our staff because we kind of already directed them to do that just to get a sense of what the landowners might, what their preference might be, so if you could coordinate that effort it would maybe keep two or three people knocking on the door asking questions. De Weerd: Madame Chair there was mention that we would need to submit additional information and I wonder what kind of information you needed and – Tilman: Generally, we would like to see (inaudible) to make, what service can be provided so a more detailed plan on your sewer, wastewater and domestic water plan and when that is going to be available and (inaudible) provide services to the area. De Weerd: So more detailed than this (inaudible)? Tilman: This map is fine, but maybe a written statement with the comments that are made by (inaudible---------------) may be in more depth to (inaudible-----) and one showing how you are going to have domestic water. Also, then could (inaudible) comprehensive plan? Pete can maybe highlight --- Treatman: Well, I think I haven’t seen the city’s comprehensive plan, but there is a plan for this area, if not, it would be helpful to have that and then just to follow up on the Commissioner’s request about working with us on the names and so forth. We adventured into that briefly yesterday after meeting with the board. I contacted about two people – it’s a tough time of the year and of course in the middle of the day people aren’t home. As Mark pointed out, the board did receive that one petition so that did help on a lot of our foot work, but particularly I think the Spurwing – getting information for Spurwing and then I think this is Rexburg down here, I don’t know the name of this division down here, but when I was looking up the property ownership records there was something that in this larger piece of – Carnahan: I think the landowner is Hinkle. Treatman: Yeah, he must not be in the area because I couldn’t find him. Carnahan: Very hard to contact. Peavey-Derr: Does he live in Hawaii? Treatman: Just some of these more of the parcel properties and getting those names would be helpful to us and then the comprehensive planning information because the one property owner that I did speak with yesterday is located in Almaden and we stared talking and I was trying to explain the difference between area of impact, annexation and that sort of thing and he was very concerned about what was going to be happening on this corner. (Inaudible--------------) a shopping center there and I said I wasn’t aware of the city’s plans for that area. Peavey-Derr: Would you care to address anything there? Canning: Anna Canning for the record. Our comprehensive plan does not include this area and we realize that under normal circumstances we would go through that process and bring it to you, but as the Mayor explained this is kind of an unusual request that was generated by the property owners. So, I would anticipate that what will happen will be that the large property owners have indicated that they have CSHAQ working on a development plan. We would look at that and take that forward as a comprehensive plan. My question to the Commissioners would be what would you like to see that timing on that? You talked about the negotiation process and then taking it to the public hearing process; I think that no one wants to go through a comprehensive planning process if it’s not going to be included in the area because we then we would just have to go through to take it out again. So, I am wondering from you all when you want to see that or do you just want to see the beginnings of it, some advice on when you need that additional information would be helpful. Peavey-Derr: Mark, Pete? Pecchenino: I think an initial plan on how you are going to use the property would be a prudent (inaudible) prior to the public hearing because that’s (inaudible-------------) because what’s going to happen and it appears on the sewer master plan that there has been some initial layout, but perhaps you just layout the other half. (Inaudible---------------) developed at this corner and have I guess a tentative land use map that we could take to the – Peavey-Derr: What we have found in discussions with Star and Eagle as it is – number one I don’t know that they really understand what the process is because it is very confusing and secondly, what does it mean to them? How much money is coming out of their pocket? So, costs – I mean if you could say your water bill is going to go up 24 percent and your sewer is going to go up 300 percent, then they go well I would rather stay – you know, we need to help these people understand what it all means. If we could get some of those things out to them that would help them. Canning: I certainly would be glad to work with Mr. Carnahan regarding a rough (inaudible) plan. I just wanted to make sure that we didn’t have to take it through the comprehensive plan before we got it to you. Peavey-Derr: Yeah, exactly. We understand your concern there. De Weerd: Madame Chair. (Inaudible) copy of what Star and Eagle have provided you in their process so we could make sure that people – (Inaudible discussion) Speaker?: They obviously had a much bigger area, much bigger issues that they spent a great deal of time developing. I think an initial land use designation that you are contemplating, some idea, I think would be what we would be looking for and I think, too, as far as if we were to go out and have a “public hearing” where we take input upon the property owners that live in the area, we would simply want to have some kind of an idea of what the land use would be, you know, some designation on the map; maybe something like this that would have how do you plan to even serve the area with water and sewer and as much of that kind of information that you could have available to citizens to be able to get an idea of exactly what’s being proposed. I think that would be very, very helpful and what we simply did was if the person came up and wanted to make comments, we did ask them to put a dot on the map as far as where your property is and then whatever – you know if they said I want to be this way or that way it helped us just to kind of pull together and give a sense of exactly what the landowners are and what their issues were. Canning: Madame Chair are you talking about going out of the courthouse and going to the (inaudible--------) Peavey-Derr: Yes. Canning: I would just offer that if you would like me to attend that meeting as well, I think it would be (inaudible----------------) answer questions. Peavey-Derr: We would love that. Speaker?: Typically what happened was we had one in the Star area – Peavey-Derr: Actually we had two. Speaker?: And their staff attended and then even provided a lot of this information and along with our staff, I think they just worked together to figure out what is the best way to try and get the information out of it. So, I foresee that kind of happening here too. From this day forward, if the staff would kind of work together to – Peavey-Derr: Well, it has to happen by statute. De Weerd: I guess what I would like to request is before Doug and your staff contact these property owners that we get this information compiled because one of the phone calls you refer to is they said well what are they going to do here? So, they might rush to confer something else until we have a chance to show them what the vision is and by providing us what the other plans were, we can make sure too there is transitioning – this area is going to all compliment each other. Speaker?: Chairman I would agree with Mayor that prior to your sit down with the City of Eagle that would be helpful to have that information. Peavey-Derr: Get as much information as possible out there so people can look and see and touch. This board is infamous in regard that we try to accommodate people’s wishes. In other words, we take into account what you folks want, what the property owner’s want and what Eagle wants and try and come up. That way we offend three people instead of one, but – we do try to make it as relatively accommodating to the parties as possible. Speaker?: I have a question for the Fire Chief (inaudible -----------) since he had to drive down here. I know you got the station too proposed out in that area. Kenny where would those be located? What your proposal for fire service in that area? Bowers: Kenny Bowers, Meridian Fire. Right now we have property at Chinden and Linder is where our property, where our station is and that would be probably built within around three years. Peavey-Derr: Is it in this blue area here, Kenny? Bowers: I am not sure. (Inaudible discussion) Bowers: Southwest is where we have property at. Speaker?: That would be a great place for a 7-11. De Weerd: They are going to be in a building. Bowers: So, we are looking at three to four years to build that out there. Peavey-Derr: Okay. Anything else? Speaker?: Just a follow up and I think the Mayor pretty well summarized, I think, the conversation I had yesterday (inaudible) with the property owner. Just relaying to you what their concern was; I think the transitioning will be a key factor and I think you pretty well nailed that one right on. That was their primary concern because they are in that sort of larger lot subdivision out there and he was expressing many of the concerns we have all heard most recently and in the past about the interface between the character of their area and whatever is going to occur in the future. Peavey-Derr: Speaking of this while I have you and it’s fresh in our minds, Kenny do you know where this stands as far as EMS locating and the Meridian Fire Stations, where that document stands? Bowers: Madame Chair I believe it is within Bill Nary’s office at this time. Peavey-Derr: Where is that at Bill? Nary: I am meeting with (inaudible) at 1:30. Peavey-Derr: And what is that to do with? The finalizing? Nary: To finalize some of the concerns that he had and in making sure that we are clear on the different roles both for EMS and the fire folks and hopefully we should have that back in front of the Council in January. Peavey-Derr: So, there is no disagreement that we can locate there, it’s just that there is some words (inaudible) that needs to take place on the actual document? Nary: Exactly. Peavey-Derr: Then I would ask further, then, in this new station that you are proposing in that corner, is that a possible location (inaudible) for EMS at that point? Bowers: Madame Chair, yes, it is we want to build it big enough to be able to put an ambulance in there, paramedics in there because that is an area that we are going to need covered and also that is an area that is (inaudible). That car could go to Star too. Peavey-Derr: Is that possible to discuss which way at that time today? If we begin the process of getting some of these pieces in the works, I would appreciate it if you would. Nary: Yeah, I think the intent was in trying to get these agreements – the original agreement was written to real specific locations and I think we would want to have a template type of an agreement so we could continue this process with all of our stations and that we are going to do that and they we don’t have to rewrite the agreements each time we do it. We are doing the same thing with the Highway District on same things and try to standardize that. Peavey-Derr: Yeah, because we are very interested in moving forward as quickly as possible on those kinds of things. All right very good. Well, if there is nothing further, we will conclude this. Thank you for the initial meeting, we appreciate this very much. MEETING ADJOURNED AT 10:50 A.M. (TAPE ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS) APPROVED: / / TAMMY DE WEERD, MAYOR DATE APPROVED ATTESTED: WILLIAM G. BERG, JR., CITY CLERK