HomeMy WebLinkAbout2003 02-18 PreMeridian City Pre-Council Meeting February 18, 2003
The Pre-Council Meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order at 6:30
P.M. on Tuesday, February 18, 2003, by Mayor Robert Corrie.
Members Present: Robert Corrie, Bill Nary, Cherie McCandless, Tammy de
Weerd and Keith Bird.
Others Present: Brad Hawkins-Clark, Kenny Bowers, Bill Nichols, Bill Musser,
Gary Smith and Will Berg.
Item 1. Roll-call Attendance:
X Tammy de Weerd X Bill Nary
X Cherie McCandless X Keith Bird
X Mayor Robert Corrie
Corrie: For Tuesday February the 18th
2003 at 6:30 P.M.
Item 2. Adoption of the Agenda:
Corrie: Council the agenda adoption is next on the agenda. We have the
discussion of the modification of the Fairview Lakes Development Agreement.
Any further additions or corrections to the agenda? If not I will entertain a motion
to accept it.
Bird: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I move we adopt the agenda as published.
Nary: Second.
Corrie: Motion made and second all in favor say aye. All ayes. Motion carried.
Before we go into discussion welcome back Mr. Bird.
Bird: Thank you.
Corrie: He belongs to the zipper club now. Glad to see you here Keith and hope
you get recovered pretty quickly.
Bird: Thank you very much Mayor.
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Item 3. Discussion of possible modification of the Fairview Lakes
Development Agreement in regards to Teare Avenue:
Corrie: Keep walking and get that energy going. Okay, now the discussion of
the possible modification of Fairview Lakes Development Agreement in regards
to Teare Ave. Mr. Brad Hawkins-Clark.
Hawkins-Clark: Thank you Mayor and Council. You should have received a
memo in you packets from Dave McKinnon in our office that gave a little bit of
background and a little summary and a couple recommendations for you to think
about tonight. We do have with us representatives from the Highway District
since this item does involve them tonight as well. So I just wanted to point that
out for you before we get started. As most of you probably remember the
Fairview Lakes project is here this L shaped parcel on the north side of Fairview
between Locust Grove and Meridian Road, just about the half mile point. Teare
Avenue is the north south local street that comes in and stubs to the north
boundary of the Fairview Lakes property. Clarene Avenue also does abut to the
property on the north side but the one we are talking about here tonight is Teare
this north south street. Originally in October of 2002 there was – the Fairview
Lakes project was approved it included 192 apartments and seven commercial
pads. Here on the screen is generally the way that Council approved the
conditional use permit. They do have this new public street – at the time its been
approved as private but they are proposing to be public in the future that it
comes in off of Fairview serves their apartment complex up here on the north
and a public street that comes around this back retail pad that is shown here in
the center of the project and then hooks up with Teare Avenue. There was quite
a bit of testimony submitted to the Council during this conditional use permit,
largely in opposition to connecting Teare Avenue with a public street here in
Fairview Lakes and the Council did approve the project with bollards to be placed
here at the south end of Teare avenue. As Dave points out in his memo, the Ada
County Highway District just prior to City Council approving it did approve the
project with a full connection, vehicular connection without bollards. In part that
ties to a future signal that was proposed by the applicant here at their new
entrance road. Some of the traffic generation counts were – there was a traffic
study that was submitted by Mr. Dobe that did show some warrants for a future
signal at this point. So you also have a letter from Christie Richardson dated
February 10th
that gives a little background to the highway districts actions on
this application. Basically what we are coming here tonight to discuss is the third
item on page two of Dave’s memo that says should the development agreement
be revised to eliminate the connection of Teare to Fairview which is ACHD’s
condition or should it be revised to eliminate the bollards on Teare, which is
Meridian’s condition because they conflict and obviously this puts the developer
in between two agencies and so. This Thursday night the Planning and Zoning
Commission does have a public hearing on Devon Park Subdivision it’s a
preliminary plat for just the southern half of this project. The apartment has
already been split in the county so that’s a legal parcel they are not proposing to
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subdivide that but south of the apartment complex the commission is reviewing
this portion of the project and so this is timely in that hopefully for Thursday
nights meeting the Council can give some direction to staff that we can pass on
to the commission Thursday night as to this bollard issue and the extension of
Teare Avenue so I guess that’s really the first priority in terms of discussion by
council as to are you willing to revisit the bollards or if not then if it stands as is
then the highway district has asked that the City of Meridian delay any action on
the plat on Devon Park until they can make an action to clean up – to bring the
conditions into alignment with the City of Meridian. So I think that kind of hits the
highlights of it. Basically just needs some direction if – we have recommend that
if you are willing to reconsider it that a miscellaneous application would come
before this body that we would notice everyone who testified. Who came to the
first conditional use permit hearings as well as everyone within 300 feet so that
they could come and give new testimony on the connection of the street.
Corrie: Okay Christie do you want to kind of fill us in on the other end of it.
Richardson: Thank you Mayor members of the Council. Christie Richardson
with Ada County Highway District 318 East 37th
Street, Garden City 83714. First
of all I want to thank you for giving us the time this evening and also for your
wonderful staff who we wouldn’t be here if our staff’s weren’t working so closely
together and have such great coordination. So I’m really not here to push either
way for the bollards or not the bollards this evening again as Brad mentioned I
think we are just looking for a little bit of direction. Steve Vaught is here this
evening the gentleman sitting next to me and he represents the owner of the
property that’s now been purchased for this development. I think from the
highway districts standpoint we were just needing some direction. If you would
just like for us to go ahead and take this back to our Commission as a revision to
the proposed plat or to the CUP that would include the bollards, we could do
that. Or if this is an item you are willing to revisit I certainly would be more then
willing to come back here at a later public hearing date to provide some input in
front of the public as well. Either way I think from the highway districts
perspective we’d like to keep the ball rolling for the applicant. So if we have to
get something scheduled for our commission we can do that as soon as
possible. One of the main concerns that we do have is that the applicant really is
intending to have a traffic signal at their main street intersection with Fairview
Avenue and one of the reasons we did allow the signal to go there was so that it
could provide some signalized access to the existing residence just north of the
project. So we just want to make sure that if we are going to have a traffic signal
out there its serving more then just this development. But we do understand that
the public already living there as some concerns as well.
Corrie: Okay.
Richardson: Do you have any specific questions for me?
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Corrie: Council?
Bird: No.
Corrie: Discussion?
Nary: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Nary.
Nary: Ms. Richardson do you have any sense I mean where the highway district
would go if we left the bollards there then would they not support the traffic light
that the developer is going to pay to put in?
Richardson: Mr. Nary I just from the initial not having explored this too much.
Our traffic engineers we not real excited about allowing a signal to go in this
location because Jericho really was in the future that’s where we wanted a signal
to go to help out those residents. But wanting to work with the applicant and
knowing that they needed a signal to make their project functional our engineer
kind of gave a little bit and said well if we have that connection we are kind of
getting the best of both worlds for everybody. So its kind of my sense that if
there is not a connection there that if there were bollards that we’ll probably go
back, well I know we will, we will revisit the signal warrants and its possible that
we may not allow a signal there.
Corrie: Refresh my memory. Jericho, does it have a street off of Fairview that
goes south. I know it goes north but does it have anything that goes south. So
that would just be a T right there. Is there anything here that would – it doesn’t
go across here either does it. Neither one does. Okay but you wouldn’t have –
you have connection at the top with the apartments going out that way right? But
you wouldn’t have any connection for the business park other then just turning in
and turning out?
Richardson: Right.
De Weerd: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd.
De Weerd: Has there been traffic counts, the proposed on the development and
also those on Jericho, if you didn’t have that connection I’m sure the people off of
Jericho would then go through that subdivision. I’m sure that’s their concern, but
what would the traffic count difference be.
Richardson: Council member De Weerd. Traffic counts on Jericho are about
3800 trips a day and that is classified a collector and so that was kind of the main
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reason we would like a signal there and so I don’t know if I have the numbers
right off hand that would tell us how much of that traffic would shift to Teare if
there was a connection but that’s certainly information we can provide to the
neighbors and I’m sure it was in the traffic study.
De Weerd: Do you know how many trips per day that development is going to
generate?
Richardson: The whole development including the apartments and the whole
conditional use was about 11,000 vehicle trips per day.
Corrie: You said 3,800 on Jericho?
Richardson: Right now there are 3,800 on Jericho. No it wouldn’t necessarily be
11,000 on Teare it’s 11,000 at the proposed entrance.
De Weerd: Where the light would be. We are talking the two proposed
locations.
Richardson: And the concern we might have would be traffic from Jericho
shifting to the west for the access to the signal. But we do allow up to 2,000
vehicle trips per day on local streets so its likely we would probably be close to
that threshold but not significantly over.
De Weerd: And really the only way people would take that detour is if they are
turning left.
Richardson: That’s correct.
De Weerd: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd.
De Weerd: I guess I would like to see it go forward with the miscellaneous
application. With those traffic counts alone it would logically appear the best
place for it is in front of this proposed development. But we really need to give
an opportunity for the neighbors to express their concerns and I just can’t
remember the specific testimony that would’ve – I mean I’m a real proponent for
interconnectivity so I can’t recall why we put the bollards in there to begin with.
Bird: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I got the same question as Tammy and I believe probably Cherie and Bill
both. I remember discussing the bollards but I don’t recall why we put them up in
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there. To my knowledge there was no rhyme or reason to put them there at that
point. But do you Brad have any reason, was there a reason why we put them in
there or do you recall, I don’t.
Hawkins-Clark: I was not at the hearing Councilman Bird but the Planning and
Zoning Commission did recommend them to be in I believe so it could be that the
Council just continued on the commissions.
Vaught: Steve Vaught, Hopkins Financial Services, 111 Auto Drive, Boise Idaho
83709. I was at all the meetings and the reason for the bollards is several
neighbors came in with children and that and they were concerned with children
playing in the area and that there is if I could point on the plat here, there is a
little park right here so they were concerned with children and that. And we
though the traffic light made more sense here because of the convenience for a
gas station and everything there and a little (inaudible). But it was the concern
with children and stuff in the neighborhood because it was more of an
introductory subdivision so younger people live there with children, so that was
the reasoning to appease the neighbors and everybody. Thank you.
Corrie: Thank you.
De Weerd: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd.
De Weerd: I guess if staff is looking for direction I would like to see it move
forward with the miscellaneous application that we can have that dialog
specifically for that connection and whether to do bollards or not.
Corrie: To me it makes a lot better sense to have a traffic light in a division of
where they have filling stations, businesses and then they can have the people
come out the side street or they can come straight down. You are going to have
a lot more traffic in a business area then you are going to have on the street.
Personally I would agree that we do need the miscellaneous application to be
done and gives everybody a chance to talk on it again because that’s a fair place
for a stoplight, personally. So Council do you have any objections to that? Lets
give them the direction there to take back with ACHD and we will do the
miscellaneous application I think and let them get up and talk and see what they
think as well.
Hawkins-Clark: Great thank you. We will work with the applicant to get that
application going and get the development agreement cleaned up.
De Weerd: Is that all you need to know?
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Corrie: Okay. That does conclude the Pre-Council agenda so if there is nothing
else for us then I will entertain a motion to close the Pre-Council and then open
the City Council in ten minutes.
De Weerd: Mr. Mayor I move we adjourn the Pre-Council meeting.
McCandless: Second.
Corrie: Motion made and second. All in favor say aye. All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 6:50 P.M.
(TAPE ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS)
APPROVED:
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ROBERT D. CORRIE, MAYOR DATE
ATTESTED:
WILLIAM G. BERG, JR., CITY CLERK