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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2002 03-20 SpecialMeridian City Council Special Meeting March 20, 2002 The special meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order at 6:30 P.M. on Wednesday March 20, 2002 by Mayor Robert Corrie. Members Present: Robert Corrie, Cherie McCandless, Bill Nary, Tammy de Weerd, and Keith Bird. Others Present: Bill Nichols, Shari Stiles, Brad Hawkins-Clark, Steve Siddoway, and Will Berg. 1. Roll-call Attendance: X Tammy de Weerd X Bill Nary X Cherie McCandless X Keith Bird X Mayor Robert Corrie Corrie: Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, I will open the Meridian City Council special meeting tonight on Wednesday March 20, 2002 at 6:30 P.M. This will be for the continued Public Hearing of the proposed amendment to the Comprehensive Plan for the City of Meridian. Our first item is I want to welcome all of you here tonight. Thank you for coming and your input. It's very important to us. So, Mr. Clerk if you’ll give us the roll call attendance please. 2. Adoption of the Agenda: Corrie: Thank you Mr. Clerk. The second item on the agenda is the adoption of the agenda. Bird: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Bird. Bird: I move we adopt the agenda as noted. McCandless: Second. Corrie: Motion has been made and second to adopt the agenda as stated. Any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor of the motion say aye. MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES 3. Continued Public Hearing: Proposed Amendment to the Comprehensive Plan for the City of Meridian: Meridian City Council Special Meeting March 20, 2002 Page 2 of 32 Corrie: Item No. 3 is the continued Public Hearing, proposed amendments to the Comprehensive Plan for the City of Meridian. So, at this time I will open the continued Public Hearing for testimony. I would like to let the record show that we did receive a letter from the Givens attorney, Givens (inaudible) the law firm represents Mr. Jim Griffith who has an interest in the property at the southeast corner of Eagle and Overland Roads in Meridian. Mr. Griffith strongly supports the staff proposal to change the designation of this property to a mixed use regional or MURG per the staff memorandum of February 27,2002. We appreciate the staff’s effort in developing this proposal. Please enter these comments into the record for the City Council hearing this evening. It was dated today. We have some people signed up that would like to speak tonight. One of them is between Ustick Road and Chinden Boulevard. One for between I-84 and Ustick Road. Let me lay the ground rules a little bit here for you. I would like to have you keep your comments at three minutes so everybody has a chance to speak tonight. If you need more time I would ask that you keep it no more than four. We would like to have you at three minutes each. We will have time in here and if you don’t feel that you can do it in that time then we’ll take that under advisement. So at this time lets start with between I-84 and Ustick Road and Mr. Paul Clayton. Is the testimony you are about to give the truth and nothing but the truth so help you God? Clayton: (inaudible). Corrie: Thank you. Your name and address for the record. Clayton: Paul Clayton, 501 North Eagle Road, Meridian, Idaho 83642. When I was here the last time, I asked about the walkway continuing across our property there. We have sidewalks that are going to go in there in the very near future. They would be more useful than the pathway across the property. It's going to devaluate that property immensely. So, I would like to have some change in that if it's possible so that we can use the property as an industrial use and put the sidewalks in and take care of the pathways. Thank you. Corrie: Thank you Paul. Okay. Is there anybody else that would like to enter testimony on the land map use between I-84 and Ustick Road? Okay, the next group is between Ustick Road and Chinden Boulevard. The first one we have here is Hilda Christianson. If you would come up here if you would like. Raise your right hand please. Is the testimony you are about to give the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God? Christianson: Yes. Corrie: Okay, give your name and address for the record please. Christianson: Hilda Christianson, 59 North --. I can't remember. Corrie: Black Cat? Meridian City Council Special Meeting March 20, 2002 Page 3 of 32 Christianson: Black Cat Road, 5910 North Black Cat Road. Well I heard some things about that they were going to widen Black Cat Road and make it so that we could have houses and develop our farm property into building lots. I just wondered --. We’ve been gone for four months and I just wondered how far behind I am on what's going on? Corrie: That is what some of the developers and ACHD propose, that Black Cat Road would eventually be a five lane road north and south from Franklin Boulevard all the way to Chinden. Christianson: Yes? Corrie: Then there would be another five-lane road on Linder and also Ten Mile will be a three-lane road. Black Cat and I believe it was Locust Grove I believe, Locust Grove will be a five-lane north and south to carry the traffic that we anticipate in the next 20, 25 years. Christianson: Now, will it make it possible for me to sell my agricultural land for house building then? Corrie: Yes. You can sell it for any way that you want to have it sold. Christianson: Okay. That’s good to know. (inaudible discussion amongst Council) De Weerd: Not anything. Corrie: Well, no. I take that back. (inaudible discussion amongst Council) Corrie: You have a right to sell your land and that’s residential if you would like. Christianson: Residential? Corrie: Yes Ma’am. De Weerd: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Okay, Mrs. de Weerd. De Weerd: Miss Christianson perhaps if you --. Steve in the back of the room, if you’ll show him where your property is he could show you what your land is designated as. Christianson: Okay thank you. Meridian City Council Special Meeting March 20, 2002 Page 4 of 32 De Weerd: Okay, you bet. Corrie: Thank you. (inaudible discussion amongst Council) Corrie: All right, the next one is Roy Kowallis. Did I say that right? (inaudible discussion from audience) Corrie: Okay, thank you Roy. This next one is Jay Haas. I’m I pronouncing that right? At 3400 West McMillan? Okay. Janet Wilder. Wilder: I don’t have anything new. Corrie: Okay. Thank you Janet. Betty Britten? Britten: Betty Lou Britten. Corrie: Betty Lou, I’m sorry. You’re absolutely right. Why wouldn’t you be right? (inaudible discussion amongst Council) Corrie: Okay, is the testimony you are about to testify the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth so help you God? Britten: Yes Sir. Corrie: Thank you. Name and address --. Britten: My name is Betty Lou Britten. I live at 3680 West Ustick. My concern is if the back part of me is still industrial? I live right by the sewer, Meridian Sewer. I’m on the other side of the ditch. I believe you’ll see that it's white. The ditch goes through right by the drain, that’s mine right there. Now, is that all residential? Am I able, on that 6.3 acres to have --? I have a large 35, 50 shop and I’ve had opportunity to sell it to like landscapers that just want to put their material in there to work on other so forth. If it's residential, can we change it to mixed use so that we could sell it? Corrie: Okay, I’ll let the staff --. Hawkins-Clark: Are we on there? There we go. We have called out, if we’re talking about the same property Ma’am, the one immediately adjacent. Generally staff agreed with the concept of not splitting your property. (inaudible discussion amongst Council) Meridian City Council Special Meeting March 20, 2002 Page 5 of 32 Hawkins-Clark: Between putting industrial on the back and residential on the front. There's been no formal change. I don’t know if you are aware of the process but at this point it's still open. That’s the reason we’re here. Britten: I would like to have it changed to mixed use so that I could --. I can't split it again because I’ve split it once by Ada County. I’m in the County. I’m not in the City. But if I put it in the City could I sell it as two pieces, one five acres, and one acre with a shop? Corrie: I’ll go to Brad. Hawkins-Clark: The platting process, if you were in the City limits you do have the ability to go to smaller lots than if you remain in the county because the county does have the five acre minimum restriction. You can plat but as far as just stating tonight what you would get approved or what you wouldn’t get approved we couldn’t do that. Britten: I’m not asking that. I’m just asking if it could be done. Hawkins-Clark: If you annex and submit for a plat yes it can be split in the City limits. Britten: Okay thank you. Corrie: Thank you. The next one is, I believe it's Cheryl Hennings. Is the testimony you are about to give the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God? Hennings: Yes. Corrie: Thank you, if you would give your name and address please. Hennings: Cheryl Hennings 2696 North Morello. I am here to talk about the Utility Subdivision. I live just to the southeast, just down a little bit in that area. I just basically want to go on record again as supporting any of the testimony that I have given to you in the past. Also just kind of two things that I just want to bring light to again. That is that under the mixed use zoning, that does still open the door for light industrial which still does not have a definition. I would like very, very much to say that I’m still holding out for some other use for that parcel. I was checking with Brad earlier to find out the process in moving that park site. I’m well aware of the history in terms of some decisions that were made for the development of this parcel. My question was that the moving of that park location, was that a citizen based move? In other words, did people come forward and testify the citizens, requesting that that park location be moved? I did find out that that was not really the process by which that all took place. That between the Council’s decision and also the park commission came up with that particular decision. So, now on the map I’m seeing a little twinkle that is in the opposite corner of that particular parcel. Now, there's a -- . You know up there in the corner where the twinkle is? I mean, I think you have to move the map. Up there. Meridian City Council Special Meeting March 20, 2002 Page 6 of 32 Bird: Up on the northwest corner. Hennings: It's kind of up that direction. In any event, I guess again, oh there it is --. Okay that little twinkle right there. So, I guess I’m just kind of wondering again proximity wise, I’m just holding out for the hope that maybe that twinkle can move back into it's original location which is on our corner. The other thing is that in studying the North Meridian Plan and I’m sure a representative is going to be speaking to that. Their design is that on all of the corners --. I know this is going to sound like I’m contradicting myself. On all of the corners they wanted sort of a village type of a concept where within neighborhoods you would have services like you know a dry cleaners or Delsa’s ice cream or something like that. In following with that plan again, I’m just throwing out the possibility that we could really soften the impact that seems to still be rolling along in that particular location. There you have it. Thank you. Corrie: Thank you. Okay, Jerry you’re up, Stevenson. Is the testimony you are about to give the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God? Stevenson: Yes it is. Corrie: Thank you. Give your name and address for the record please. Stevenson: Jerry Stevenson, 6040 North Ten Mile Road. Mayor Corrie and fellow Councilmen I would like to I guess reevaluate where my property is after doing a little bit of looking to see what’s happened recently. As you see, that red at the very top there. I am directly --. It's very difficult to tell by the size of these maps exactly where my property is but it looks to me --. I actually have two deeds. I have house and some out buildings that’s on one and a half acres. Then I have some farmland that’s directly south of that on the other side of the ditch. Depending on which map you look at I’m in kind of a couple different areas. I would like to agree or be involved with this latest proposal or suggestion of making that a mixed use. I would like to be included in on that. Also, the nine acres, approximately nine acres that I have as well. In addition to that the ground directly south of me, I would also like to have that changed to the very low density as well. I’ve lived in this whole area here my whole life here. It's kind of a quality of life that I see as just being basically eaten away. I would like to kind of protect my own interest here because it looks to me like definitely by the plans of this right here, the developers have definitely carved out their niches in this whole thing with the high densities or the densities that they con best maximize their dollar return on investment. That’s basically the same reasoning I would like to do this as well. That’s based upon the resale of this land. I’m kind of stuck in no man’s land right in between there the way I look at it. It's not the quality that I want to live right next to houses and so I’m looking at you know if I’m going to stay there I want to protect my own interest and have even the very low density surrounding me as it has been all these years I’ve been out there. I’m also concerned with several other things with this whole thing. It has to do with water rights. You know I’ve even had to put a well in, a new well in there since I’ve been in there. Then with all this growth and everything out there I see (inaudible) as far as being forcing me to join into the City service utility services and all Meridian City Council Special Meeting March 20, 2002 Page 7 of 32 as well, which is extra expense to me. The extra taxes that --. Basically the taxes have doubled over the last year where I’m at with really no extra values to myself but just due to all the extra growth in the area as well. I see it even increasing as the higher density moves out to where I’m at so I just want to try to protect my own interest at that point and the resale value I think will be worth a lot more as a multi use and would fit directly in with this other because you’re looking at the resale value along this highway, with very low density. I think it would be a lot better commercial because the houses that they’re trying to attract from the Spurwing Golf Course crossing they’re not going to want to --. You know those type of houses are not going to want to live right there on that busy highway right there. I have other traffic issues along there, concerns as well. Corrie: Thank you Jerry. Meredith Carnahan? Is the testimony you are about to give the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth so help you God? Carnahan: I do. Corrie: Thank you, name and address please. Carnahan: My name is Meredith Carnahan. I live at 4410 West Chinden Boulevard, which is actually north of Meridian’s impact area but I do own parcels on Black Cat east and west between Ustick and between McMillan and Chinden Boulevard. I’m sorry, I really haven't been to any of these meetings before. I read most of the documents and I commend you for this wonderful effort. (inaudible) I’m just really here to give a little testimony. I encourage you to keep up with this process. The City is growing big and I think we need a soul and I never feel attracted to Meridian until you started this process. I own several hundred acres north of this area that’s getting ready to explode. Of course whatever happens in Meridian will effect what we do and what we do will effect Meridian. I’m not necessarily knowing what we’re going to do now. I have a nursery there right now but I’m sure it will just be a continuation. Eventually the (inaudible). I’m opposed to a strip mall on Chinden Boulevard to heavy commercial down that. I think it's unattractive. I would like to see maybe a mix of – on Chinden Boulevard a mix of some residential and industrial. I don’t know if this is the right place for the amount in the industrial (inaudible). I would not like to see a Fairview or a Chinden like it is in Garden City where it's too much commercial. Also, I would like to encourage you to encourage the cultural district. Meridian really needs more cultural districts, some performing arts centers. This is asking a lot but wouldn’t it be great if we didn’t have to go to Boise for all this? I think you’re setting the infrastructure up for that. I would like to see some incentives to the farmers who still own their lands to donate more of their land for parks and they had to be paid for it in some way whatever --, whether it's tax deferred whatever. I don’t know. I would like to see bigger and more parks, especially north where this new big 12 square mile opportunity is. Maybe (inaudible), maybe other kind of --. What am I trying to say? I can't even think – horticultural related items because I’m in that industry but I think --. Pathways, I would like to encourage the bicycle pathways. I think you’ve come --. I think the idea of these multi use pathways is really interesting and creative. I don’t know how you’re going to incent the landowners to give the right-of-ways and so I was curious about that. I Meridian City Council Special Meeting March 20, 2002 Page 8 of 32 couldn’t find how that was going to happen. Some of those rights are both pieces of parcel that I have right now. I think that’s pretty much --. I did have a question. I thought I read that there was a suggestion that there be a 50 foot landscape buffer on the major arterials like Chinden Boulevard before development was to happen. Is that still --? Can anybody tell me if that’s still --? Did I read that right? Is that correct? Corrie: Brad? Carnahan: I don’t know if I explained it, I thought I read in the original plan, Comprehensive Plan suggesting a 50 foot landscaping buffer on the major roads before you have development. Is that true? Hawkins-Clark: Ma’am, yes the current Ordinance requires that along I-84. There is a proposal in this plan for all state highways if it's residential to have the 50-foot. Carnahan: Commercial would not necessarily fall under that? Hawkins-Clark: Not necessarily but that is a change to this – Carnahan: Just a suggestion I had. Just an idea to keep Chinden from not looking like it's a thoroughfare. Anyway, that’s all I have and thank you very much. Corrie: Thank you Ma’am. Okay, is there anyone else who would like to testify? Yes, (inaudible). Is the testimony you are about to give the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God? Johnson: I do. Corrie: Thank you, name and address please. Johnson: I’m Frank Johnson and I live at 4010 West Ustick Road. On this map I’m on the west side of the sewer plant and I’m on the north side of it. All the land that I have is purple, which is 1209 acres. I wonder where that leaves me. That’s my 80 that the drainage goes through off of Ustick there and then I own the 40 west of the green off of Ten Mile, right there. (inaudible discussion amongst Council) Corrie: Brad do you want to address that for us? Hawkins-Clark: Mr. Johnson, could you reiterate? Johnson: That parcel there. Hawkins-Clark: Right and you’re simply wanting to know why it's that color? Meridian City Council Special Meeting March 20, 2002 Page 9 of 32 Johnson: Yes and where does that leave me if I want to sell it? Hawkins-Clark: The color simply is referring to the fact that staff thinks that we need some reconsideration of exactly what kinds of uses immediately adjacent to our wastewater treatment plant. There's no specific recommendation as to what your land would be used for at this point in time. Since you are adjacent to the treatment plant, we mainly wanted to raise it as a discussion item. Are we wanting to keep that very low density? Are we wanting to do some other industrial around there? It got some, very little discussion during the Planning and Zoning Commission hearing. At this point it doesn’t have a specific change or recommendation on it. So, the blues is just --. Anywhere you see blue on the map, it's an area that City staff have initiated a requested on. So, we’re certainly open to what your ideas are for appropriate uses around there. Johnson: I really don’t know what the appropriate uses are but I kind of hate to be singled out you know. It's not worth that much to live next to a treatment plant. Nary: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: Mr. Johnson, I mean, what Brad said but also you have to look at what is currently the land use designation under the old plan that hasn’t been changed yet. I think it's – Hawkins-Clark: Industrial. Nary: (inaudible) under the 93 plan. Yes it's agricultural under the 93 plan. Under the recommendation from the Planning and Zoning Commission in December, which is merely a recommendation, it's recommended to be industrial. What Brad is saying is that purple is because since that recommendation in December the Planning and Zoning staff is reconsidering or wanting the Council to reconsider maybe not making it industrial and making it something else. They haven't really decided right now. That’s kind of what the purpose of this process is, is to decide maybe if there's something else that’s more appropriate or better use. But what was recommended in December is industrial. So, you’re not really in a netherland. You already have a zone that’s recommended currently. If you were to become part of the City we would zone it appropriately. What’s recommended is industrial. That may not be what the ultimate outcome is. The reason it's marked that way is to just kind of give you a warning that it may not be that as well. It may be something else. You’re not really in a netherland. Johnson: According to this map, it kind of leads you that way. Nary: That’s because we always end up with the same debate at every one of these meetings of people reading that map versus that map and the old map and not knowing which one is really the one that’s current. What's current is the 93 one. That’s the Meridian City Council Special Meeting March 20, 2002 Page 10 of 32 current state of affairs. What is currently recommended is that big map in the back of the room on that side. All these ones that say summary of changes are just changes that people have asked for. We haven't approved any of them. We haven't agreed to any of them. Some of them may have only had one person that asked for them. They may not be the most appropriate designation for that property. That’s all that this particular one that you’re looking at is. Johnson: Okay, then if you had a use for that, had a chance to sell it, you would have to come in and apply for a certain zone? Nary: You could sell it no matter what. You can always sell it. Johnson: Well I know you could. Nary: But if somebody wants to be annexed into the City, then we would have to look at what's the most appropriate zone based on what's the current Comprehensive Plan, what's the rest of the surrounding uses? What is the Comprehensive Plan say is appropriate? That’s how that works. Johnson: Okay. Thank you. De Weerd: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd. De Weerd: Mr. Johnson? Corrie: Frank, Frank, right here. De Weerd: Can I ask you a question? Johnson: Yes. De Weerd: If we could get you on tape there. If you were to, since you live in this area and if you were to sell your property what do you think you would like to do with your property? What would you like to see your property develop as? Johnson: Whatever had the most dollar value. I’m just like everyone else. Corrie: You didn’t disappoint me Frank. Johnson: What? Corrie: You didn’t disappoint me. We’ve been friends a long time. Meridian City Council Special Meeting March 20, 2002 Page 11 of 32 De Weerd: So, what does that mean? Do you think that commercial would exist well there? Johnson: Well, I’m not that good a planner, you know. I’ve only lived there 65 years. De Weerd: It sounds like it's good open space. Johnson: I guess you could call it that. It won't be for long though. De Weerd: Thank you. Corrie: Thank you Frank. Don Hobbs (inaudible). Is the testimony you are about to give the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God? Hobbs: It is. Corrie: Name and address please for the record. Hobbs: Don Hobbs, 2683 West Chinden. I’ve spoken to the group here before addressing the mixed-use designation. That would be the red strip along the top right there. I see it made the last map dated the 13th , although it does indicate that staff disagrees with that proposal. I still support it. For one thing, to have that designation doesn’t mean that like some people may believe is going to occur is going to be constant commercial use the whole way down Chinden. I wouldn’t visualize that at all. It just would give a developer the opportunity, a little flexibility in their design so that if there had to be a need there they could work it in with other plans because it's going to be demand driven. I don’t see how you can look at any other way. If you looked at it in the highest density then take a look at the way to meet that mixed-use designation. Then all you have to do is take a look at the area from Cloverdale and Eagle Road on the south side. That would be the highest density if that would occur there I’m sure. I think it's really a nice looking area. I think they’ve done a really nice job there. I would see it as the same thing, that the maximum use that would be allowed under that designation. It says under un-mapped land use issues removing all low density residential along Chinden and adding commercial areas, number three on this map. It just does it. That’s a land use issue I guess. Anyway, I would support that. I think it would be very fitting for a major highway to allow some flexibility along there. Thank you. Corrie: Okay, thank you. Okay Laura Johnson. Is the testimony you are about to give the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth so help you God? L. Johnson: Yes. Corrie: Okay, name and address please for the record. Meridian City Council Special Meeting March 20, 2002 Page 12 of 32 L. Johnson: Laura Johnson, 25770 Lansing Lane. That’s in Middleton but I am here because I also own some property along Chinden and would like to testify on behalf of this bright red strip along here. I guess what I think sort of surprises me a little bit is the designation here that staff disagree. When I overlay that with the old, or excuse me not old but the original map, or the original proposal, it seems very inconsistent that this little strip is originally very low density. It's the only strip that’s very low density in all five sections along Chinden Boulevard. So, to us it just seems very inconsistent with the rest of the plan. When you look at the original proposal there's mixed-use on both sides of it and as we’ve heard from others I think mixed-use allows for the most flexibility in future development. It allows for some residential but when you think of some of the kinds of homes that are required to be on half acre or more those are usually your higher end homes, very large lots and I just can't see that being of interest you know on a major highway to most homeowners in that section. So, we would continue to support the mixed-use designation along there and to remove the really strict limitations on that little strip that are in the original proposal because it just doesn’t seem to be consistent and logical when you consider everything else that would be proposed around it. I have nothing further. Thank you. Corrie: Okay thank you. Steve is there any other back there? Thank you. Melinda Maxwell, 4455 North McDermott. Okay thank you. This is between Ustick Road and Chinden Boulevard. Is the testimony you are about to give the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth so help you God? Maxwell: Yes sir. Corrie: Okay, name and address please. Maxwell: Melinda Maxwell, 4455 North McDermott Road. I apologize for being late. Some of this may have already – Corrie: You’re okay but this is between Ustick Road and Chinden Boulevard and then you signed up between for public safety. So, we’ll do the Ustick Road and Chinden Boulevard first for you. Maxwell: Yes sir. I’ve done some driving around since the meeting two weeks ago to see how things are – areas that are developed and I know this is just a proposal. But there seems to be quite a bit of land from McDermott in towards Meridian that hasn’t been developed even inside the City limit signs. One of my concerns is, although we don’t show up on the map because we are on the west side of McDermott between Ustick and McMillan you already have quite a bit of growth coming out that way that’s impacting the roads, the people that live out there. I don’t know and don’t see how with this, there's going to be a real good control on what's already changing. Corrie: Okay. You live on Black Cat is that correct? Maxwell: No sir, I live on McDermott. Meridian City Council Special Meeting March 20, 2002 Page 13 of 32 Corrie: On McDermott, oh I’m sorry. Maxwell: Yes sir, between Ustick and McMillan on the west side of the road. See where the canal comes up to McDermott? Corrie: Yes. Maxwell: That’s my north border. So it's right about where your hand, where your little right there. Corrie: Is that Ada County or is that Canyon County? Maxwell: That’s Ada County. Ada County comes up --. McDermott is the Ada County, Canyon County line up to Ustick. At Ustick it takes a – (inaudible discussion amongst Council) Maxwell: -- to CanAda Road. Right. So, we’re eight tenths of a mile north of the border of Ada County and Canyon County. Corrie: Okay, would you do me a favor and state what your question is again? I’m a little confused here now. Maxwell: With your proposals here --. With the growth that’s happened out in that area already with some of the subdivisions that have gone in already --. I know this is proposals for the County and so forth. We’re already having seen increased problems out there and how will this waylay or prevent any additional problems? Corrie: (inaudible) Nary: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: Miss Maxwell, what kind of problems are you talking about? Growth problems? Traffic problems, crime? I guess I’m not sure specifically what you mean. Maxwell: Growth, traffic, trespassing. Nary: Okay, so your question is, is how is this growth going to have less of those kind of problems or lower those types of problems? I don’t know that it will. I don’t know that any influx of population no matter where it is necessarily – Maxwell: Even on a controlled plan? Meridian City Council Special Meeting March 20, 2002 Page 14 of 32 Nary: Sure. More people will bring more traffic. What happens is or what the desire is, is that with good planning there is better road systems to handle the traffic. It doesn’t mean there will be less vehicles. It just means that the road systems will be better able to handle that amount of vehicles. Would it mean lower crime? Well we actually don’t have a huge crime rate in the City of Meridian anyway – Maxwell: Right. Nary: -- but is there potential for more crime? Well there's more people so there's always potential but again with the growth with good planning we can be ahead of the curve on police services and that type, of being able to provide neighborhood types of contacts, police patrols, those types of things. It doesn’t necessarily mean a lower crime necessarily but it might provide a greater police presence. So, some of those things are kind of a balance. That’s where the good planning comes in. But is it just going to be lower? Well probably not necessarily but good planning means maybe we can stay ahead of that and provide some type of increase of those things. Maxwell: One (inaudible) I didn’t see back there, Mr. Mayor if I may address one other thing. Corrie: You signed up for the public safety. Is that the one you (inaudible)? Maxwell: No sir. This is – Corrie: There's another one? Maxwell: Right and I didn’t see a sign up sheet back there. Corrie: Okay, all right. Maxwell: If I may ask a question of that. Corrie: You sure can. Maxwell: The block between Black Cat and McDermott, Cherry and Ustick. There was a contractor who wanted to purchase that and develop that land. I don’t remember if this was a conversation you and I had off the record or after the meeting two weeks ago or if it was something that I asked up there. Exactly right there. They had proposed, apparently an R-4 and was turned down. They went to R-3 and part of the issue was the septic system, having to run a septic line from there up to Five Mile Creek and then back into Meridian. That was about a million-dollar project. Like I said, I can't truthfully remember if it was a conversation you and I had or if it was one I brought up here in front of everyone but the answer was that the developer didn’t want to do that, pay for that. Corrie: (inaudible) I don’t remember the conversation. Meridian City Council Special Meeting March 20, 2002 Page 15 of 32 (inaudible discussion amongst Council) Corrie: Mr. Nichols. Nichols: Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, Miss Maxwell. I was the invisible guy. Maxwell: Yes. Nichols: That was the proposed Springdale subdivision. The developer was willing to build the sewer line but the City Council was not willing to approve that subdivision to extend the City limits all the way to the west boundary of the area of impact knowing that they would have to send fire and police all the way to the west boundary when there was plenty of land on in fill capability closing into the City limits. That was the decision of the Council about two years ago when that subdivision was denied. That was the reason for them to denial was because of other things besides sewer and water. Public safety issues if you will and stretching the limits of those public safety resources clear to the west boundary without things like a police substation, fire substation and those kinds of things. The developer was willing to build the sewer line all the way to the sewer treatment plant. Maxwell: Right. That was my question because talking to some of my neighbors in that block they said well they say it in the contract that they were willing to pay for that and somewhere here and like I said I can't swear to where it was, was that they weren’t willing to do that. I just wanted to clarify that. Okay. Corrie: Okay. Maxwell: Thank you sir. Corrie: You also signed up for public safety. Maxwell: Yes sir. Corrie: Do you have anything on public safety? Maxwell: Yes sir. Corrie: Okay. Maxwell: Again kind of back to the Planning and Zoning and building up in this area, the roads. Roads out there are rural roads. They’re narrow, virtually no shoulder on them. You’ve got the road then you’ve got the barrow pit. Heavy farm equipment moves up and down that. You put more cars in with that, that’s a substantial risk in my opinion with the width of the roads. You’ve got a full size John Deere Tractor with a baler on it or whatever there are very few places on those roads out there to safely pass even in a Meridian City Council Special Meeting March 20, 2002 Page 16 of 32 passing zone area. So to me that’s a huge safety issue for not only the cars coming at or trying to pass but also the farmer driving the equipment and just south of us there's a little, a couple little subdivision. That’s between Ustick and McMillan and some houses there on two and a half acres. Well there’s children there that get off the bus and yes you’re suppose to stop when the red lights are flashing but I’ve seen that not happen with vehicles out there. I would hate to see something happen to those kids and if the lights are flashing yellow you can still go around another vehicle. If it's a farm vehicle, you’re not going to be able to see the flashing – *** End of Side One *** Maxwell: The speed on those roads out there is 50 miles an hour. Well we have a problem with that already. This is going to sound a little bit, quite bit like a stereotype. When we’ve called Ada County, the sheriffs come out to come out for people drag racing like on McMillan and up and down McDermott. They tend to be teenagers and you put more houses more people, more kids that just --. So, what's the plan? Stoplights? Corrie: Well, I can't tell you. What we’re trying to do is set something up here for ten to 20 years. Eventually Black Cat will probably be a five-lane road. As it builds out ACHD would like to have it as a five-lane road. It might be a state extension of highway 16 down to Ten Mile. We don’t know that. Your questions and concerns are very valid but at the present time we don’t know what will happen out there. That’s one of the reasons we have the testimony tonight is to get everybody’s idea of what they would like to see. Then we’ll go down in the future and see what happens. That’s the best we can do right now. Maxwell: So, is it (inaudible) to widen all the roads out there? Corrie: Probably, Black Cat will be widened. Linder will be widened and Ten Mile will go wider to probably three lanes. Maxwell: What about McDermott and --? Corrie: That will probably go from three to five lanes as well eventually. We don’t know. It's in the future. Maxwell: It's also split between counties once you hit – Corrie: That’s right. Maxwell: --Ustick side. Corrie: That’s why we have a Treasure Valley Partnership in two counties working together on those. Hopefully we can all work together. Meridian City Council Special Meeting March 20, 2002 Page 17 of 32 Maxwell: Right. With the drag racing we have already and stuff it's scary enough as an adult without two legged children, with your neighbors having two legged kids and I have four legged kids that we sit back from the road and they aren’t allowed out that way but if they happen to go --. Corrie: Okay. Thank you. Maxwell: Thank you sir. Corrie: I appreciate it. Steve do we have any others? Is the testimony you are about to give the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God? Moss: It is. Corrie: Okay, your name and address please. Moss: My name is Tony Moss, 2400 West McMillan Road. I came here tonight and I got to looking at this map here of this section that we’re talking about. (inaudible). There's a little red square right here. I think that’s my house, in fact I’m pretty sure that’s my house. (inaudible discussion amongst Council) Moss: That was my house. I guess I’ve got two questions here and some comments. One question is, staff recommends that it shouldn’t be rezoned the way that the citizens initiated. It also says on this map here that citizens or your neighbors --. It doesn’t have to be the owner. It could be the possible neighbors or someone else that could make this recommendation. Maybe my neighbors don’t like me but, I thought it was a little odd that I was in that particular predicament right now. Can I have some help from maybe Brad or somebody (inaudible)? Corrie: Sure. We’ll give you whatever help we can. Brad? Hawkins-Clark: Mayor, Members of the Council. Did you not request? Moss: I did not request that. Hawkins-Clark: YOU did not request to remain low density as you currently are? Moss: Maybe I misunderstood. Does this mean that I will remain low density as opposed to --? It says – (inaudible discussion amongst Council) Moss: -- medium density. I will remain low density in that particular area? I’m just trying to understand the whole thing. Meridian City Council Special Meeting March 20, 2002 Page 18 of 32 Hawkins-Clark: Sure. What it's saying is that, I don’t know if it was you or an evil neighbor or who but somebody requested at some point or another a change from medium density residential which would go up to eight dwelling units per acre to low. So it requested a change from what the Planning and Zoning Commission approved. Moss: It says staff doesn’t agree with this or (inaudible). Hawkins-Clark: Right. The Planning and Zoning Commission approved the medium density residential. Moss: Correct. Hawkins-Clark: You or somebody requested it to be changed to low and we’re saying keep it the way the Planning and Zoning Commission approved it. Moss: Which remains in low density? Hawkins-Clark: Medium. Moss: Okay. I would like to see it remain low density. Hawkins-Clark: That’s what that says. (inaudible discussion amongst Council) Moss: Okay. One other comment and I will --. I know more. Thanks for the information. The red strip on the top there --. I’m looking at the map that --. (inaudible) with a map you have right here. It's kind of difficult to tell exactly which one it is. But if I look in the same area the interior between McMillan and Chinden is medium density on the existing plan. Hawkins-Clark: That’s correct. (inaudible discussion amongst Council) Moss: The exterior, which is the red area would be high density? Nary: Very low density. Moss: Very low density. I would like to make a recommendation that we change that a little. I think that the very low density should be on the interior as opposed to the exterior. Corrie: So, you like the higher density where the red is itself? Meridian City Council Special Meeting March 20, 2002 Page 19 of 32 Moss: Yes. Corrie: Then the lower density below it rather than medium density? Moss: Yes. Corrie: Okay. Moss: My example is the area between Eagle Road going down towards Hewlett Packard with the residential areas on the interior part of the section and the apartment houses and commercial buildings on the outer side. Thank you. Corrie: Okay. Is there anyone else who would like to issue testimony? Unidentified Speaker: (inaudible). Corrie: On a different subject than you did before? (inaudible discussion from audience) Corrie: Sure. Come on up. It's different testimony than you had before, something different that’s fine. Unidentified Speaker: Yes. Corrie: You’ve already been sworn in so just state your name and address. Carnahan: Meredith Carnahan, 4410 West Chinden in Meridian. I specifically, I’m looking at the mixed-use classification. I just now read the different classifications for the mixed-use. So, I just have a specific request that the mixed-use designation on Chinden Boulevard --. I think, I don’t have names on these streets but I think it's between Black Cat and Ten Mile. There is a semi circle. It's on this map. It's designated MURG in the suggested mixed-use classifications, which is regional. I would like to propose that that be changed and moved to the corner of Ten Mile and Chinden, either corporated or dropped totally and be a lower classification. That’s just my specific proposal. Corrie: Okay. Carnahan: Thank you. Corrie: Thank you. Anyone else who hasn’t testified that would like to testify? Okay. Staff do you have any other comments at this point? Okay. Council? Pardon? (inaudible discussion amongst Council) Meridian City Council Special Meeting March 20, 2002 Page 20 of 32 Corrie: Yes. Come up here Miss Maxwell. (inaudible discussion from audience) Maxwell: -- problem child (inaudible). Corrie: That’s all right. You’ve been sworn in so just state your name again for the record. Maxwell: Melinda Maxwell. Corrie: Thank you. Maxwell: One thing, learning a little bit about your very low density, low density, medium density, across form us is low density which is three or less units per acre. I would like to request that be very low. Corrie: Where are we talking about? Maxwell: I’m sorry. McDermott between Ustick and McMillan. Bird: McDermott and Ten Mile, or Black Cat I mean? Maxwell: No McDermott between Ustick and McMillan. Bird: Which way, west or east? Maxwell: I’m sorry, on the east side of the street. Right in there. Nary: Isn't it very low? (inaudible discussion amongst Council) Maxwell: No, it's low and then north of the canal is medium. Nary: Oh, I see. Maxwell: I would like to request that both of those stay at very low. Corrie: Okay. Maxwell: Thank you sir. Corrie: Thank you. Shari, or Brad? Meridian City Council Special Meeting March 20, 2002 Page 21 of 32 Hawkins-Clark: I was just going to point out that her request was reflected as No. 6 on the summary of requested changes. It was just requested in the text part on map land use issues. So, we did get that down last time. Corrie: Okay. Hawkins-Clark: It's there. Corrie: Thank you. (inaudible discussion from audience) Corrie: Excuse me. Could you come up here? This is a public testimony. I need to get you on the tape so that we know what you’re talking about and we can hear what you have to say. Maxwell: Sorry about that Mayor. Corrie: Okay. Maxwell: When I looked down on the unmapped land use issues, there's two No. 6’s and one is in red. I saw the one in green that said adding a regional shopping area in the north. It was just pointed out to me, the fact that lowering the density along the western edge of the area of impact, McDermott to transition to rural area. Corrie: Okay. Hawkins-Clark: That’s correct. Maxwell: Like I said I just got confused because there were two 6s. Hawkins-Clark: Right. Sure, thanks for pointing that out. (inaudible discussion amongst Council) Corrie: Okay. Steve is there anybody else that’s signed up? Okay. Have you got a different subject that you want to talk about, Betty, or not Betty Lou it's Cheryl? Hilda, okay. Come on up and let’s – Christian: I don’t know if I misunderstood you or not and you were saying how many houses per acre I could sell on that place. I understood it was three to eight. Now, is that correct? Corrie: Well, it all depends on what you zone it, (inaudible) zoning. If you want it to be an R-2 that would be two houses to an acre. R-8 could be eight to an acre. Whatever the designation that’s been put up there on the comp plan and then you could come Meridian City Council Special Meeting March 20, 2002 Page 22 of 32 and do what you need to do with that. But we don’t know yet what you want or they would want. So, I can't, we really can't tell you what it is yet. In that area, what's it (inaudible)? (inaudible discussion amongst Council) Bird: It don’t --. Corrie: Okay it doesn’t have that yet? Bird: No. Corrie: Shari, would you --? Christian: Well, I’ve had builders coming and wanting to build on there. They want to be able to put more than that many houses per acre, more than three. Corrie: They would have to come to us to okay that. Christian: Yes. Corrie: That will be a Council decision based upon the neighborhood and around it and what it's zoned for. They may want to put it as all R-15 and all apartments but it may be in an R-4 zone and they can't do that. Christian: We won't want it apartments. Corrie: No that’s what I say. If you sell the land to them they’re going to have to come in and make their request for that. If you want to sell your land you can. If you don’t want to sell your land you don’t have to. That’s up to you. What you want on that land is what you have now. If you sell that land to a developer then he’s going to try to do something different with that land. At that point, your choices are nil. You sold it. Christian: Okay. Thank you. Bird: Thank you. Corrie: Anyone else? Okay, Council, any discussions? Any further? Do you want to have, continue any more Public Hearing? Do you want to do workshops to digest everything we’ve had here? What's your pleasure? Bird: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Bird. Meridian City Council Special Meeting March 20, 2002 Page 23 of 32 Bird: We’ve had, I believe this is our third Public Hearing. This time we did not get much written testimony in either. I definitely, if we are going to have, if you and the fellow Councilmen want to continue another, have one more Public Hearing I have no problem with that. I would like to see us at least after that have a workshop and then come back and make a decision. I want to read through all the minutes, all the public testimony and stuff before I make my decision. Corrie: Okay. De Weerd: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd. De Weerd: I think that we need to have a workshop. Maybe tonight nail down specific discussion points that we would like to have at that workshop. Then follow the workshop with one last Public Hearing so that the public has a chance to comment on any items that result from our workshop discussions. Hopefully then, since testimony appears to be wrapping up, we can make a decision. Nary: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: One thing that we can do, is we can certainly leave the public testimony open for written testimony at this juncture. That way if people do want to submit something else, they have the opportunity to do that but we can still have the workshop and I would agree with you that in the end --., when we’re closer to getting a product at the end we need to probably have another, at least one more Public Hearing to allow people to comment. That way people, if there are other information that --. I noticed we got one letter. We did get some information tonight that was different. You know we’re not cutting off people’s ability to give us information we just would like it in the written form so that we can use it and try to get this moving along. That might be the best way to do that. Corrie: Any other comments? McCandless: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mrs. McCandless. McCandless: I would agree with having a workshop like Tammy said and then having the one more Public Hearing after that whether it by written or --. That’s what I would like. Corrie: I think that you’re right. We need to keep the Public Hearing, continue the Public Hearing for any input in writing. Then we will have, if the Council so desires Meridian City Council Special Meeting March 20, 2002 Page 24 of 32 another workshop, which we can kind of digest everything that’s been said here. Then put it together and have another Public Hearing on what we’ve come up with. Then you can make your testimony either for or against or whatever you think at that point. I know --. I’m not asking you for your permission but I think that’s probably the best way to do it and give you all a fair chance at what we’re really looking at possibly doing and then letting you see what it is. Council, with that – Bird: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Bird. Bird: We could, talking to Mr. Nichols, we can continue this Public Hearing to a set date that way we don’t have to re-notify. We can still have notify for a workshop for us in between that time. I think that would be --. Without coming out of our workshop we should have some kind of an idea before the Public that some kind of a notification of the way we’re leaning or thinking or, we’ll have something at least a little more concrete than we’ve got right now that the people could testify on. Nichols: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Nichols. Nichols: Mr. Mayor, Members of Council. I would recommend that even if you consider it a workshop that you call it a special meeting. So that if you want to make some specific decisions about how you want to do something you can go ahead and do that as opposed to just a workshop where you essentially talk about it and kind of have a consensus but you can't act on it at that time. That way going into the Public Hearing you might have some things narrowed down as to what it is so specifically the public would know what to address. Bird: I agree. Corrie: Okay. If that seems satisfactory for the Council, I will entertain a motion and to figure out the date for the workshop. Do you want to have it at the regular workshop or do you want to have it at a different time? Bird: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Bird. Bird: How soon do we need to have that special meeting and at this point, we need to if we’re going to continue the Public Hearing we need to set a date for that and then we can have our special meeting in between. What is the third, --? What does the tenth of April look like on the area here, Will? (inaudible discussion amongst Council) Meridian City Council Special Meeting March 20, 2002 Page 25 of 32 Bird: Is the hall open? (inaudible discussion amongst Council) Bird: Okay. Corrie: I will be gone. Nary: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: I was just going to suggest Mr. Bird that maybe what we --. Following up to what you’ve been saying if maybe what --. There's a lot of information. There's a lot of maps. There's a lot of colors. Trying to melt all of those things into thing I don’t know that one workshop is probably adequate --. Bird: One special meeting. Nary: Or a special meeting. If we had two special meetings and then set the Public Hearing after that. Bird: We have to re-notice it. Nary: No, I mean we can do that now. Bird: Continue it now. Nary: But, I’m saying now is that what we may want to do as you’re looking at these dates is that if we were to set two special meetings for this discussion and then a third meeting for the Public Hearing. Bird: I agree with you Mr. Nary. Nary: Now, if something were to change, obviously we have the ability to deal with that. That way we wouldn’t --. I don’t think unless we want to be here very, very late in one special meeting that we’re going to get the closure. Bird: Mayor, when are you going to be out of town? Corrie: I will be gone from the 8th through the 12th . Bird: Okay, so that week we can, we’ll skip that week. De Weerd: Let’s look at the third and the 17th . Meridian City Council Special Meeting March 20, 2002 Page 26 of 32 Bird: The 3rd and the 17th for our special meetings. Nary: Right. Bird: Then the first Wednesday in May for our Public Hearing. Corrie: Okay. Bird: That would be May 1st . (inaudible discussion amongst Council) Bird: Would that, one week --. That will give us two weeks after last special meeting to get any revisions or anything that we’ve made decisions on to a map. (inaudible discussion amongst Council) Bird: The 17th . We could move it (inaudible). (inaudible discussion amongst Council) Bird: The parks meets on the 10th don’t they? The second Wednesday? So we could have our special meetings the third and the 17th and our next – continue this public meeting to May 1st . Corrie: What do you have the 3rd ? (inaudible discussion amongst Council) Corrie: What's the 4th ? Bird: Yes, what’s the Thursday? P&Z. (inaudible discussion amongst Council) Corrie: We can't have it --. (inaudible) the 10th is bad as well? De Weerd: We can't do it while you’re out of town. Bird: No we won't do that. Corrie: Then you can have it the 18th . What’s the 18th ? No that’s – Berg: P&Z. Meridian City Council Special Meeting March 20, 2002 Page 27 of 32 Bird: P&Z Nary: How about Mondays instead of Tuesdays? Bird: Yes, how about Monday? Nary: How about Mondays instead of Tuesdays? Bird: School board. (inaudible discussion amongst Council) Corrie: We’ve got a lot of meetings in this town, do you know that? Berg: We’re very filled up, especially Homeowners Association (inaudible). McCandless: May is clear on the first? Bird: What is May then? (inaudible discussion amongst Council) De Weerd: Can we do a noon or afternoon workshop, or special meeting workshop, work special meeting? McCandless: You and I could. I don’t know --. Berg: The 25th is open. That’s a Thursday (inaudible). Bird: That don’t give us enough time if we --. De Weerd: I just hate to lose any momentum and what the testimony is that starts to get (inaudible) --. Corrie: Also you’re getting into the budget. Bird: Yes, you’re getting started into the budget. De Weerd: Then we’ll have budget hearings. Corrie: Is noon meetings --? Bird: I have no problem with noon meetings. Corrie: You’re the one that’s --. Meridian City Council Special Meeting March 20, 2002 Page 28 of 32 Bird: The 3rd and 17th ? De Weerd: Mr. Berg. Could the fire station be used for some of these Homeowners meetings? Is that an option? Berg: It's an option. I don’t know what the schedule is for the fire station because they (inaudible). It depends on how big a crowd they expect. This obviously can hold at least 50 people (inaudible). (inaudible discussion amongst Council) Berg: At the same token if you have a workshop we can hold it – Bird: Not a workshop, special meeting. (inaudible discussion amongst Council) Berg: If you’re going to be discussing, you can discuss at the fire station. (inaudible) Bird: Yes we can go there. (inaudible discussion amongst Council) Berg; You can do it at the wastewater plant. They have a facility – Bird: They’ve got a beautiful facility. Yes. Let’s go for the 3rd and the 17th --. De Weerd: That would help plan land use around the wastewater treatment plant. Bird: No, they’ve got a very nice facility. (inaudible discussion amongst Council) Corrie: Okay, why don’t we, if you would like Council, set it on the 3rd and the 17th at the wastewater treatment plant if we can get the building, which I think we probably can. Nary: This is for the special meetings? Corrie: Yes special meetings. McCandless: In the evening or at noon. Bird: Yes. Corrie: In the evening at about 5:30. Meridian City Council Special Meeting March 20, 2002 Page 29 of 32 Bird: Yes. McCandless: Okay. Corrie: Then on May 1st , we can continue the Public Hearing until May 1st and take any written testimony between now and the 1st . Bird: the 1st . Nichols: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Yes Mr. Nichols. Berg: We also have the 29th (inaudible). Corrie: The 29th of April? Okay. Mr. Nichols. Nichols: Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council. I would recommend that you put a cutoff on the written testimony ahead of the, whatever the time is. Like maybe three days, four days whatever but some point so that the Clerk can have that material to you ahead of that hearing so you would limit --. Otherwise it could dribble in and dribble in or people can show up at the meeting --. (inaudible discussion amongst Council) Corrie: The 29th ? Bird: Yes that would give him two days. Nary: Mr. Nichols are you talking about limiting the written testimony before the special meeting? Is that what you’re saying? McCandless: No the Public Hearing. Nary: Or the Public Hearing? Nichols: Before the Public Hearing part. Nary: Before the Public Hearing on May 1st . So we could do it the previous Thursday or Friday? (inaudible discussion amongst Council) Nary: Okay. Meridian City Council Special Meeting March 20, 2002 Page 30 of 32 (inaudible discussion amongst Council) Bird: Mr. Mayor. I will try to do this. Do we need – (inaudible discussion amongst Council) Bird: I can't notice the special meetings. We do that on our own. Corrie: You just give the date and we’ll do that. Bird: Mr. Mayor I would move that we continue this Public Hearing on the Comprehensive Plan change to May 1,2002 and all written testimony be submitted to the clerk’s office by April 25, 2002. In the meantime we have two special meetings which we will be noticing at the Meridian Wastewater Treatment Plant on North Ten Mile at 5:30 in the evening on April 3,2002 and April 17,2002. McCandless: Second. Corrie: Okay. Whoops we don’t have a stenographer here so we’re going to have to --. I’m going to have to repeat it but I will. The motion is to continue the Public Hearing until May1, 2002, to have written testimony into the City Clerk by April 25,2002 cutoff date and to have two special meetings held at the wastewater treatment plant 5:30 P.M. on April 3rd and 17th . McCandless: Very good. Nary: Could you repeat that I’m sorry. (Inaudible discussion amongst Council) Corrie: 5:30. Bird: 5:30. Corrie: Then the continued Public Hearing on May 1st will be at 6:30, right? Bird: Yes. Corrie: Do you want me to repeat that? Any further discussion? All those in favor of the motion say aye. MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES De Weerd: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd. Meridian City Council Special Meeting March 20, 2002 Page 31 of 32 De Weerd: Shall we attempt the list that we would like to discuss at the special meeting workshop? Or do we just come with our laundry list and discuss it then? Corrie: I think P&Z has a pretty good idea of the testimony that we have here. By that time we may be separate that and what we bring from our own notes. I don’t know. It's whatever you want to do. De Weerd: I think at this point, Planning and Zoning staff have no idea what our issues are because we haven't really discussed any. (Inaudible discussion amongst Council) Nary: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: Maybe Mrs. de Weerd, one of the things I was going to note for the record, I really appreciated this redline (inaudible). It was very, very helpful and it's very well done. I really appreciate that. Maybe what we need to do --. I don’t know. What I was going to do is look at the different chapters and see where we’re at. Some of them, there isn't a tremendous amount of text change or anything. De Weerd: no. Nary: Maybe what we can do is try to figure how do we want to accomplish this? Do we want to tackle the contentious issues first or do we want to get out of the way the issues that aren’t contentious at all? But we can certainly look at it by chapter. We can certainly look at it by subject. Obviously melding these maps all into one thing is probably going to take the longest amount of time. It makes no difference to me. I would just like to be able to digest the book and maybe look at it that way. That’s just me. I don’t know what anybody else’s thoughts are. De Weerd: Doing it one chapter at a time makes sense. Bird: To me it does. De Weerd: The land use map probably will be the second special work session then. Maybe along with the land use map we’ll talk about the densities and neighborhood centers as well as the mixed-use designations. So that could be the second one. (inaudible discussion amongst Council) Corrie: Okay. De Weerd: Okay. Meridian City Council Special Meeting March 20, 2002 Page 32 of 32 Bird: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Bird. Bird: I would move we adjourn. De Weerd: Second. Corrie: Motion made and second to adjourn the special meeting. All those in favor say aye. Meeting adjourned at 7:50. MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES MEETING ADJOURNED AT 7:50 P.M. (TAPE ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS) APPROVED: / / ROBERT D. CORRIE, MAYOR DATE APPROVED WILLIAM G. BERG, JR., CITY CLERK