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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2002 12-10 PreMeridian City Pre-Council Meeting December 10, 2002 The Pre-Council Meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order at 6:00 P.M. on Tuesday, December 10, 2002, by Mayor Robert Corrie. Members Present: Robert Corrie, Bill Nary, Keith Bird, and Cherie McCandless. Members Absent: Tammy de Weerd. Others Present: Bill Nichols, Brad Watson, and Will Berg. Item 1. Roll-call Attendance: O Tammy de Weerd X Bill Nary X Cherie McCandless X Keith Bird X Mayor Robert Corrie Corrie: I will open the Pre-Council Meeting on Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 6:00 P.M. and ask the City Clerk to have roll call attendance please. Item 2. Adoption of the Agenda: Corrie: Number 2 is the adoption of the agenda and I believe Mr. Bird has an addition if he would – Bird: No, we want to do this in the regular one if it’s okay. Corrie: Oh, the regular one, oh I’m sorry. I thought maybe you wanted to do it – Bird: But I will Mr. Mayor, I will move that we adopt the agenda of the Pre- Council Meeting as published. Nary: Second. Corrie: Okay motions been made and second to adopt the agenda as published. Any further discussion? Hearing none all those in favor of the motion say aye. All ayes motion carried. MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT Item 3. Sewer Trunk Fee Update: Corrie: The first one is the Sewer Trunk Fee Update, Brad. Watson: Thank you Mr. Mayor and Council Members. I hope to just put up on the board what I think you probably have. Do you guys all have a hard copy of this report? Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting December 10, 2002 Page 2 of 14 Bird: I emailed you and asked you to send, to bring some. Watson: You did? I have one. Berg: I can make copies of what you sent me. Bird: I forgot to look mine up Brad. I know that it’s on there somewhere but it wasn’t real handy. (Inaudible discussion amongst Council Members) McCandless: Oh I have that but I can’t find the other one. Corrie: I’ve got copies of that one (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Council Member) Watson: I can give you a little background while Will’s making copies of this. What I’ve done and what I thought or had hoped was passed out to you in August was an update to both the Assessment Fees and a new, what we are calling a System Development Fee which I think would serve the purpose of what you would call the Sewer Trunk Fee. The Assessment Fee portion is really no different than what we have right now. It’s merely an update based on slightly modified methodology for calculation. I should wait until you get the summary sheet. The Assessment Fee portion would go – for sewer would go from 1580 per ERU up to 1609 so it’s not really a significant increase. What we’re seeing with the sewer is we’ve put so much in the ground over the last couple of years that we’re starting to see some economy upscale on those fees. However, on the water side the Assessment Fee would go from the current 704 dollars up to 1,052 per ERU. That’s the easy part of this. I can stop there if you have any questions. Bird: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Bird. Bird: Brad this is a fee that we will have on every Building Permit that is purchased right? Watson: Council Member Bird that is correct. We already charge this fee to every Building Permit that connects to the water and sewer it’s merely an update. Bird: But is this fee like Boise’s that puts a fund -- build their own sewer lines and stuff so they’re not going – the developers having to do it and then having these latecomer things which are a nightmare for you guys, for the Accounting people and for the clients. Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting December 10, 2002 Page 3 of 14 Watson: I’m just talking about the first part of what I’m going to present to you. I’m just talking about the one that we already have and we’re merely updating. The Wastewater Assessment Fee would go -- it’s about two percent, the water side – I guess I’m gong to have to calculate that real quickly. (Inaudible discussion amongst Council Members) Watson: The packet that you have has I don’t know a nine to 10 page narrative that explains how these fees were arrived. That, I don’t know that I really want to go through the whole thing tonight but as time allows you may want to review some of that to show the background behind these fees, how they were developed in 1996, how we’ve updated them and slightly modified the calculation methodology on the Assessment Fee portion. That takes up probably the first three pages. You’ll note on Page 4, Section 4 of this draft report a section called Reimbursement Agreements. What this is related to is this new fee we call the System Development Fee. For the Wastewater, side of things the System Development Fee would be 815 dollars per ERU. I have tried to model this after Boise City’s Ordinance so that – and you will find some description in there of what Boise City’s Ordinance is and how they implement this program. The bottom line is if a developer constructs oversized, over depth sewer before that project goes to construction we would require, if they want reimbursement for them to bring those costs to us and then to the Council so that a Reimbursement Agreement could be developed and executed. That’s very different from what we do now where we wait until the project is finaled and as John will explain here on Item Number 2, it’s only been that we enter into a Latecomer Agreement. The problem we get into with the Latecomer Agreements is that another project will come on the heels of the original development before the original one is done and we have to put a placeholder on their Building Permit. There’s a Latecomer Fee and it says to be determined. That doesn’t set well and it wouldn’t with me either if I had a project and didn’t know what fees I was going to be paying. This way everything’s up front, the one impact to the development community that might cause a little bit of heartburn is that we would require that they solicit bids for their utility projects. I understand that Boise City does this too. There are some developers that have their favorite contractor and that’s who they want to work with so soliciting bids may not be something they want to do. Maybe John can talk about that he works with a lot of these guys. On Page 5, there is a table. It includes both Boise City’s reimbursement percentages and the ones that we propose. Mine is a little bit scaled down, simplified version and I developed that based on unit prices that we had experienced in Meridian. I don’t know how they develop their percentages but I tried to follow the same format based on Meridian data. That’s why it looks different than Boise’s. Corrie: Brad, help me here to read this table five. I’m not quite understanding it but let’s take the 10-inch of the top, go down to 15, 16 feet I assume that’s the depth? Watson: Correct. Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting December 10, 2002 Page 4 of 14 Corrie: Okay so you’ve got a 23.9, 29.4 and then another column 19.4. How does that read? If it’s 14 to 15 inches, feet excuse me it’s 23.9 what does that mean? Watson: Mr. Mayor that particular cell right there – the cells on the left of the 10- inch column are Boise City’s reimbursement percentages. Corrie: Okay and ours would be the 19.4? Watson: Right. They had a reimbursement percentage for each and every foot. Corrie: Oh, all right I see. Watson: And I’m just lumping it from 14 to 16 feet it would be 19.4 percent is eligible for reimbursement. Corrie: Okay, thank you. I wasn’t seeing that at all so – okay thank you. Watson: The reason I simplified the table from what Boise City has is somebody has go to go through and review each and every pipe to figure out how deep it is. I guess if they’re willing to pay higher inspection or review fees from our staff, that’s a possibility but at this point, we don’t have staff to sit around and count pipe or count depth of pipe. Nary: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: Brad, in developing this part of this memo did you – I’m assuming Boise has some experience as to what’s worked, what hasn’t, what’s been positive, and what’s been negative. Is that also incorporated into this memo? Watson: Council Member Nary to a certain extent yes. Most of what I’ve done is based strictly off their ordinances and copies of Reimbursement Agreements that John Tensen has given me. In all honesty, it’s been quite some time since I met with Mr. Tensen, probably about a year ago. Over the course of last spring and even into the summer while I was working on this from time to time, I guess I just referred back to notes and materials he gave me. He may have some different experiences over the last year that I’m not aware of. Nary: And the only reason that I ask is that knowing how the government works sometimes fixing the problems that don’t seem to work as well as we thought they would takes longer than to continue just doing it. Sometimes people just keep doing it and don’t change the ordinance and so I wandered if they’d had some other experiences that might be beneficial to us here in putting this together so that we can avoid the same pitfalls that maybe they’ve found I don’t know. Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting December 10, 2002 Page 5 of 14 Watson: That very well could be and what I would like to do with this whole issue, this whole concept is one present it to the BCA. Obviously, they would be interested in it. Second, I would like to have a member or two of the BCA and potentially some other development type people take a look at this and see from their point of view what – since this is modeled so much after Boise City see what works for them in Boise and what doesn’t. So, I’m not butting heads with them all the time if we implement this system. Undoubtedly I would need to get with Boise City before this ever went to Public Hearing. This is really the initial well this is the initial draft that anybody has seen. I’ve probably done this four or five times over the last couple of years but it has never gotten to this point. I’ve put it before a lot of eyes internally but no one has ever seen fit to give any comments on it so I would appreciate anything that I could get on this. Nary: And I think my only other comment would be I mean I think it’s a great idea and I think it’s something we do need to look at and go forward on. I think the plan you’re talking about is the exact way to do it. We need to find out both from the development community side what their concerns are if any and what would work best for them. I think we need to talk to the City of Boise because they can at least get that perspective from the government side as to what works or doesn’t work for them. I think it’s certainly something worth exploring. Watson: Sure. I fully plan on doing that. The one thing I would like to add is this concept does extend to the water system as well. I’m not sure somewhere in here I have addressed how that would work. There are another 20 or 30 pages of spreadsheets and calculations and somewhere in that I think is how the water system reimbursement would work. It’s a lot simpler than the sewer is. Item, what is it? I don’t know at the top of Page 7, Paragraph B I’ve gone over a couple, pointed out a few transition problems in going to the current system to this new system. We have 20 to 30 existing Latecomer Agreements of barring balances. This is something that I haven’t even broached with Gary and I hate to bring it up without him here is there are about 10 agreements with a balance of 25,000 or less. At some point, I would like to at least explore the possibility of just the city buying those out and collecting the fees from those as development continues in the developer’s area. It would simplify things a lot. Bird: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Bird. Bird: Brad I would like to see you get with Gary. I for one would be very favorable of seeing us buy those out and get (inaudible). We probably waste 25,000 a year in headaches, finances, and stuff like that. I would absolutely love to see you do that get those bought out. Watson: Okay. Corrie: (Inaudible). Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting December 10, 2002 Page 6 of 14 Bird: Yes, that’s what I said talk to Gary and see what he thinks. Corrie: I think I’ve talked to him a couple of times and I know what he thinks but I think you’re going to have an easy road there. Watson: Okay, I think that would almost have to be a budgeted item for next year. Corrie: Right, sure. Nary: I think it’s a good idea too. Bird: I think it’s a very good idea if Gary agrees with it. Watson: One of the other things that’s included in this draft report and you don’t have the appendix yet I’ll make sure everyone gets a full copy this week. I’ve tried to do a 20 year cash flow projection for both water and sewer fund. Are you doing the whole thing? Oh, well you will get the appendices tonight. Unfortunately the ones the show the 20 year cash flow projection are a little more draft then the rest of the report. Once we get auditors information for this year, I think we’ll be able to tidy that up pretty well. Bird: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Bird. Bird: Brad I see on your projections that you say it will probably be 20, 20 with the continued growth as it is before the fund – before the System Development Fee Fund would be on the positive side of the ledger. I guess the only thing I would say to that is you got to start somewhere. You would hope that it would meet it a little sooner but you start a new system you aren’t always going to be on the positive side right off the bat. Watson: I’m sorry Council Member Bird. Bird: That’s on Page 8 Brad Item D the last paragraph so the five million deficit of 2007. Watson: Right, that deficit is really it’s a big swing one-way or the other. I think I had eight million in that cash flow projection for the Black Cat Trunk construction so that maybe a little bit misleading. It could swing – if we didn’t build it, it would be, plus three million I think. I would have to go back through it. Bird: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Bird. Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting December 10, 2002 Page 7 of 14 Bird: Brad even on your table 6 and turn to the other cities. You know the two cities that we are next to Boise and Nampa we still even with your discussed fee we’re still under them in the total Wastewater fee by quite a margin. Watson: Council Member Bird correct. As of August anyway, I haven’t updated this tabled or researched it since August but I don’t foresee that there are many changes. It is lower yes. I think probably one of the main reasons Boise and Nampa is higher – although the table doesn’t really reflect this with Nampa but I know Boise City’s undergone a huge expansion at their West Boise Plant. I’m sure that was wrapped into any updates they had over the last couple of years. Nampa has undergone major upgrades too on their treatment side but it looks like they have most of their fee wrapped up in the collection system. I’m not sure why. Nichols: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Nichols. Nichols: Brad, under – on the same page on Page 9 under the Meridian column you’ve got other potential charge various existing Latecomers Agreements. Tell me what you mean by that and how that plays into – if someone has to pay a Latecomer Fee to hook into the sewer main that was installed by another developer why would they also be paying the system development charge? Watson: Well Mr. Nichols that’s one of the transition problems is when somebody develops if a new project comes in say it’s as an example upstream of Silverstone Subdivision where there’s an existing Latecomers Agreement. I presume that’s a decision we’ll either have to make as part of this ordinance or as a case by case basis whether they pay both the System Development Fee and the Latecomers due to Silverstone or not. I see the conflict. Nichols: Mr. Mayor and Members of the Council I think you would almost have to give a credit up to the amount of the system development charge because if they’re already paying the equivalent of the system development charge for hooking into an existing line they’re then paying their proportionate share. The system development charge is to pay the city, to reimburse the city or the city to reimburse then another developer for installing a line. In this case the city hasn’t done that all and the developers already put the line in. It might be a matter of wording it as a credit up to the amount of the system development charge. They would still have to pay that Latecomers Fee because we can’t breach those agreements with those developers but at least – I don’t think we can charge them twice. For somebody else that’s coming in we might need to so that’s an issue, we’ve got to look at. Corrie: Good point Bill. Watson: Mr. Mayor I think that would be even the more the reason to eliminate as many of these existing Latecomers Agreements as we can just to avoid the – Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting December 10, 2002 Page 8 of 14 Bird: Very true. Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Bird. Bird: Brad is there anyway you could – I know there is that you could come up with what our total, what we’ve got out there totaling in Latecomers Fees right now? Watson: Council Member Bird yes. In fact, finance gives us a monthly statement of what the balances are and the revenues from the previous month on their each and every Latecomer. I don’t have it with me unfortunately. Bird: No, (inaudible) right now Brad. Watson: It’s – with the inclusion of the Silverstone Agreements and G.L. Voigt Agreement for crossing the interstate it’s pretty significant right now. Those two alone I’m guessing but I think more than double the balance for the principles of the existing Latecomers Agreements. Bird: You looking at five, six, seven (inaudible)? Watson: No, I would guess one to two to three. Bird: That’s what I was going to say. Watson: I’m probably wrong the next time I come back. Bird: Well I think G.L. Voigt was almost a million itself wasn’t it? Watson: The Silverstone one both water and sewer combined was probably just a shade over a million. The Voigt was about a quarter of a million. Bird: A quarter. Yes, it says with Silverstone and Voigt would add over a million dollars to this balance. Watson: Right. Corrie: Anything else Brad? Watson: No, I just would appreciate any comments on the concept. I hope no one gets bogged down in all the figures and facts of the spreadsheets. That’s just there to show you if you’re interested how it was derived. The concept of these Reimbursement Agreements is something I would really appreciate comments on. Corrie: Okay. Anything else on the concept? Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting December 10, 2002 Page 9 of 14 Bird: I don’t I just appreciate all the work that Brad’s done on this. We need to keep onto it so that if not this year that by budget time next year we’ve got a solution and we’ve got something going into it that we can put in our budget and get it taken care of. Corrie: (Inaudible) work Brad thank you. Watson: Thank you. Item 4. Blackstone Subdivision / Coral Creek Subdivision Request for Reimbursement for Lift Station: Corrie: We’re right on time here 6:30 Blackstone Subdivision / Coral Creek Subdivision Request for Reimbursement for the Lift Station. You want to say anything Brad at all on this. Watson: Sure. Mr. Mayor and Council Members this might appear overdue but what has happened here is Coral Creek and Blackstone Subdivision’s formerly English Gardens is one lump project came in two or three years ago. Public Works and I think Council at that time were both pretty adamant that that would be the only project served by the lift station that they would need to install to get sewer service. You may recall recently that another subdivision south of that Castlebrook right Castlebrook Subdivision has at least a Preliminary Plat approval. John Carpenter from Pinnacle Engineers contacted me who was evidently contacted by the developer of Blackstone / Coral Creek about any cause sharing that might be available. Castlebrook will be hooking onto the existing lift station. They have to modify it and upgrade it and I have not even seen their plans for doing that yet so I don’t know what that entails. I’m not sure how this would be calculated but I directed Mr. Carpenter to simply contact or get in front of the Council to request that Public Works examine developing a Latecomer Agreement for that lift station. Without Council approval to enter into one, we won’t do it and that’s where we are. Carpenter: My name is John Carpenter with Pinnacle Engineers. For the record, I work at 12552 West Executive. Brad pretty much summed it up. My client, Projects West out of Washington proposed the subdivision at Cherry and Black Cat two or three years ago. We ended up doing it in two phases. One of the conditions of approval of our development was to construct a lift station that was solely for two subdivisions. That lift station has been constructed and it’s functional. At the present time, there is a subdivision to the south that wants to tie into the lift station and my client wants to know if there is a potential for reimbursement for any of his costs for that lift station. Really, for the lift station and for the pressurized sewer line that heads north to the existing (inaudible) sewer line. That’s really, what we’re asking. You guys may recall Pintail Pointe Subdivision just to the east of Blackstone a relatively small subdivision. They have already hooked into the lift station that we’re talking about. We, my client, and the owner of Pintail Pointe worked it out between themselves on the cause sharing at that time. I don’t know what I’m asking Council but I’m asking Council Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting December 10, 2002 Page 10 of 14 to allow Public Works and myself to come to some resolution as what the Latecomer Fee and how it should be set up should go. Nichols: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Nichols. Nichols: Mr. Carpenter has your client approached this other developer to see if a similar arrangement could be worked out such as the one that was worked out with Pintail Pointe? Carpenter: He has not. There’s really a bigger question. The big question is how much ground and how much development is the City of Meridian going to allow south that could potentially tie into this lift station. Is it just the one property and if so we probably could approach that particular developer and come up with some arrangements but is there going to be any other tag on subdivisions that would have the same issue down the road? If it’s just one, then yes, maybe we could work it out with them. If this is going to be a regional lift station that potentially is going to serve several developments then I think the latecomer arrangement is what we’re looking for. Nichols: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Nichols. Nichols: Brad, what’s your perspective on the potential service area for this. We just got through talking about how we really don’t like Latecomers Agreements and if the two developers got together, worked it out and kept us out of the collection and disbursement business that’s – Carpenter: What we did with Pintail Pointe is we took the total number of lots between the three subdivisions and allocated it that way. That’s pretty simple math. We would be more than happy to do that for this other development. I don’t even know how many lots are in it the subdivision we’re talking about just south of Coral Creek. Watson: Mr. Mayor, Council Members, and Mr. Nichols this Castlebrook project is approximately 40 acres. The same developer has had initial contact with the Planning and Zoning and Public Works Department about another 60, 70 acres directly east of that. We had discovered through flow monitoring and some other things that the Ashford Greens lift station has more capacity than we had projected with the original design. That’s what’s driving us is we’re fighting excess capacity in that Ashford station. Fortunately or unfortunately, however you want to look at it. There’s a different problem with that property to the east as far as water service so I’m not sure that one may be stalled for a little while. More could potentially come in if they’re willing to pay for the upgrades to this Blackstone lift station. If these guys could get together and work this out Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting December 10, 2002 Page 11 of 14 between them, I would probably buy the donuts and rent the room to them free if they could figure it out. Carpenter: How many lots (inaudible) Brad, sorry to interrupt? Watson: I would guess in Castlebrook there are 140. Carpenter: 140? What the Council did for Pintail Pointe was made a condition stating that they needed to work out an arrangement with Coral Creek and Blackstone developments. If you guys want to make that as a condition, we would be more than happy to do that. Nary: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: You know Mr. Carpenter I mean I think more than anything we want to be fair. I think – but I think Mr. Nichols is right. As you can tell by our earlier discussion we want to get out of this business of these latecomers so whatever other methods we could try at least. If it doesn’t work, I mean if the other developer isn’t very cooperative and you find it to be really a road block in trying to get this done then maybe we need to talk again and talk to them a little bit more as well. It would seem to make sense from the city’s perspective if we could make it a condition on the other developments and that your client work it out with them like you’ve been able to do successfully already. That would certainly benefit the city more than having a Latecomers Agreement. If it isn’t possible, if it won’t work, if they won’t come to the table and be cooperative certainly we would be more than happy to sit down and figure out how to make that work because we want to be fair. We don’t want to get into another one if we don’t have to and then having the same discussion a year from now. Carpenter: Yes, and there are benefits to my client with that approach as well. Obviously, the payment could be quicker instead of waiting for each lot to get a Building Permit. There are pros and cons I assume for both of them. I can certainly see how it’s more beneficial to the city. We have no objections to doing that. Nichols: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Nichols. Nichols: Brad, isn’t Castlebrook already approved, Preliminary Plat anyway? Watson: Mr. Mayor, Council Members, and Mr. Nichols I knew that question was going to come up too. I don’t know. I know the Preliminary Plat’s approved but I don’t remember the Final Plat being before the Council. Nichols: I don’t think the Final Plat’s been done. Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting December 10, 2002 Page 12 of 14 Bird: The Preliminary is. Nichols: The Preliminary Plat in my recollection the Preliminary Plat, annexation, and zoning was approved probably last month or October. It’s relatively recent that was a Heartland Development isn’t it? Watson: Correct. Bird: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Bird. Bird: Mr. Carpenter what kind of cost does your client have in that lift station? Carpenter: It’s about 75,000 dollars. Bird: 75,000. Carpenter: That’s for the lift station and for the asphalt repair patch back (inaudible). Berg: Mr. Mayor looking back on the records the ordinance for Castlebrook was approved November 18th so it has been annexed. Corrie: So it’s there okay. Nichols: So there’s a Preliminary Plat approval and annexation has taken place but not a Final Plat? Berg: Mr. Mayor I don’t remember seeing a Final Plat yet. Nary: Well if we just approved the annexation on November 18th , it probably hasn’t come through yet. Corrie: Thank you. Carpenter: Now is that a condition we can put on the Final Plat? Corrie: I don’t see any problem with it do you Mr. Nichols? Nichols: Mr. Mayor and Members of the Council I would have to look but my initial reaction would be that it’s appropriate to include it as a Final Plat approval of condition in that costs associated with that. I think the key would be whether there was any discussion up front with those folks about whether there would be any cost to hook into that Ashford Green lift station. Watson: Mr. Mayor, Council Members, and I can look back through meeting notes and previous correspondence. The one thing to point out is when we get a Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting December 10, 2002 Page 13 of 14 Preliminary Plat they draw a box on a piece of paper and say a lift station or two lift station. Until that Final Plat application comes in we don’t have any details how they’re – I mean really how they’re going to sewer that with a lift station. I guess I would look at it as we’re seeing this for the first time with that Final Plat application the nuts and bolts of how they’re going to sewer it. In concept, we have discussed using that Coral Creek lift station but the magnitude of what they need to do, how they need to upgrade it and pump replacement I don’t know I haven’t seen any of that. Nichols: Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council. I would recommend that they be told now that this request has been made for Reimbursement Agreement and that something goes from the city to Heartland Development that tells them or to their engineer that’s preparing the plats that this needs to be considered and this is part of the cost that they have to factor into it. I understand that on – you know with the latecomers they only pay as each house goes up, there is a separate agreement with Mr. Carpenter’s client, and it might be all at once or some similar sort of thing. I think there was also phases in that subdivision too so that it might be tied to a Phase Plan. The other thing that I think needs to be addressed is since Pintail Pointe was a different developer but also participated in the cost of this lift station and the pressure line they need to be a party to the agreement too because some of the cost that’s being reimbursed is some of the cost that they paid as well. As far as the fairness, issue goes they need to get back into it too. Corrie: Okay do we all kind of agree on that then along with you? Carpenter: It sounds like a good concept it does work with that. Corrie: Brad we can get together and make sure we get those things worked out. Watson: Sure, no problem. Corrie: Okay, all right, any other questions? Bird: I have none Mayor. Carpenter: Anything I need to do for you Brad, write you a letter or anything like that to get this thing moving? Watson: I can give you all the details afterwards okay? Corrie: Okay John. Carpenter: Thank you Mayor. Corrie: Thank you very much. That kind of clears us up, good evening how are you today. There’s nothing else on Item Number 4 so I will ask if the Council has any other things that they want to discuss at this time. Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting December 10, 2002 Page 14 of 14 Bird: I have none. Corrie: Then I will entertain a motion to close the Pre-Council Meeting. Bird: So moved. Nary: Second. Corrie: Okay motion been made and second to close the Pre-Council Meeting any further discussion? Hearing none, the Pre-Council Meeting closed at 6:45. MEETING ADJOURNED AT 6:45 P.M. (TAPE ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS) APPROVED: / / ROBERT D. CORRIE, MAYOR DATE ATTESTED: WILLIAM G. BERG, JR., CITY CLERK