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CITY OF MERIDIAN
CITY COUNCIL PRE -COUNCIL MEETING
SPECIAL MEETING
AGENDA
Tuesday, May 04, 2010 at 6:00 p.m.
Call to Order at 6:04 p.m.
City Council Chambers
33 East Broadway Avenue, Meridian, Idaho
1. Roll -call Attendance:
X David Zaremba X Brad Hoaglun
X Charlie Rountree X Keith Bird
O Mayor Tammy de Weerd Arrived at 6:40 pm
2. Adoption of the Agenda
3. Presentation from Ada County Highway District (ACRD) regarding
Roundabout Policy Discussions
4. Amended onto the Agenda:
Executive Session per Idaho State Code 67-2345 (1) (c) - To Conduct
Deliberations Concerning Labor Negotiations or to Acquire an
Interest in Real Property, Which is not Owned by a Public Agency
Into Executive Session: 6:42 p.m.
Out of Executive Session: 7:05 p.m.
Meeting Adjourned: 7:05 p.m.
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AMENDED NOTICE OF SPECIAL MEETING
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MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL
Mayor Tammy de Weerd
City Council Members:
Keith Bird
Brad Hoaglun
Charles Rountree
David Zaremba
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the City Council of the City of Meridian
will hold a Special Meeting in the City Council Chambers at Meridian City Hall, 33
East Broadway Avenue, Meridian, Idaho, on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 at 6:00
p.m.
The following item will be the topic of discussion:
Presentation from Ada County Highway District (ACHD) regarding
Roundabout Policy Discussions
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City Council Members:
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Brad Hoaglun
Charles Rountree
David Zaremba
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the City Council and the Planning and
Zoning Commission of the City of Meridian will hold a Special Meeting in the City
Council Chambers at Meridian City Hall, 33 East Broadway Avenue, Meridian,
Idaho, on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 at 6:00 p.m.
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Meridian City Pre -Council Meeting May 4, 2010
The Meridian City Pre -Council meeting was called to order at 6:04 P.M. on
Tuesday, May 4, 2010, by President Zaremba.
Members Present: Keith Bird, David Zaremba, Charlie Rountree and Brad
Hoaglun.
Staff Present: Jacy Jones, Bill Nary.
Item 1. Roll -call Attendance:
Roll call.
X David Zaremba X Brad Hoaglun
X Charlie Rountree X Keith Bird
O Mayor Tammy de Weerd (arrived at 6:40)
Item 2. Adoption of the Agenda:
Hoaglun: On tonight's agenda we have item 3, a presentation of ACHD
regarding roundabouts and we would like to add an item 4 and if we have time
that will be an executive session pursuant to Idaho Code 67-2345 (1)(c). So with
that, Mr. President I move adoption of the agenda.
Bird: Second.
Zaremba: We have a motion and a second to adopt the amended agenda. All in
favor say aye. Opposed.
ALL AYES. MOTION CARRIED.
Item 3. Presentation from Ada County Highway District (ACHD)
regarding Roundabout Policy Discussions:
Little: Thank you honorable councils, it is my privilege to be here tonight to
present our roundabout status and policy at ACHD and I will proceed with that.
Basic outline. Talk about what a roundabout is and why we feel it is important to
go to using roundabouts, why we need a policy and why did it take us forever to
develop it? Your staff participated in helping with this. What is in the policy and
where do we go from here? What is a roundabout? Essentially it is a circular
intersection with counter clockwise flow, yield signs for the entry; traffic has to
yield, it has islands, splitter islands coming into it that direct your path around the
roundabout. It is a very slow, efficient, safe intersection. Why go to
roundabouts? Safety is a huge factor and I will go into that in a few minutes.
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But, they just tend to be very safe. Congestion delay, air pollution is a mainstay
of a roundabout. They just move traffic through very smoothly especially in off
peak hours. When you would be stopping at an intersection waiting for your light
to change and that sort of thing and you can just move right through. Community
values, esthetics, slower traffic flow along the street in some cases is an
advantage, but predictable traffic flow and there is just some things there that
ends up being a real advantage to communities. The growth has been
incredible. I checked about roundabouts about 15 years ago thinking that yeah,
this might be an answer and it really wasn't ready at this point in the US — a
development. They were into research stage. England and Australia use them
and France a little bit differently, at a faster speed and I kind of waited a long time
and this is what happened in terms of growth since that time. It has gone from
say 100 roundabouts since about 1998 to over 602,006 and has continued to
grow at that pace. Roundabout usage in the region — becoming very common.
Washington is using them a lot; Oregon, Utah, Montana, Nevada in DOT's on the
State Highway system and the locals and especially Kennewick, WA if you have
been up in that area. Bend, OR has over 20. They have just gone wild with
roundabouts. Idaho Falls has had several for probably ten years over there.
Coeur d'Alene has one right in front of the high school. I was up there last fall
and they were building the one just down the street at the next intersection. So
they are finding that they work very well. Nampa has built the one on Happy
Valley and Amity and Canyon County Highway District is already developed a
policy — they are ahead of us. So we are kind of slow in coming into this. Public
attitude toward roundabouts. This is the insurance industry report. You see that
the dark green — this isn't consultants that sell roundabouts or anything this is the
insurance agency that pays the bill on accidents. But they found that going in the
public tends to be very negative or at least negative — almost 50 percent
negative; then neutral and the light green is after they have been in for awhile
and they poll the people. Some are still neutral, others are positive and others
are very positive. So it shifts as people get used to them. I mean, what is this
strange thing? And then as people drive it and it works just fine and they can just
zip through it, they really tend to be very positive. This is the accident picture
and I had comparison of signals verses roundabouts because that is what we are
really looking at here. Normally where we would use a roundabout is where we
would normally use a signal. The accident picture — about 48 percent of
accidents disappear with a roundabout compared to a signal at an intersection
and that the property damage is the yellow, the injury are the fatal and that is the
red and you can see where the huge advantage is is where the reduction is over
3/ in the injury or fatal accidents — from 17 percent down to about 4 percent,
which is just astounding and let's just look at the cost of those. The cost of injury
and fatal accidents are what are concerning everyone. Some states aren't even
looking at property damage only. Some of the key states, Washington, Missouri
— Idaho is brought in to be the sample states to look at as prototypes. They are
not even looking at property damage accidents. You can see why. They cost
$6,000 and ruin your whole day, inconvenience you maybe for a week, but the
injury accidents the dollars go up and sometimes injuries are for life to even fatal.
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It goes $6,000 up to $6 million for typical fatal. These are federal highway
numbers. ITD uses them and we use them to judge the value of safety
improvements. Incapacitated injury $300,000 and that is all costs — societal and
individual. This is the Happy Valley and Amity intersection and you can see it
before and after. We looked at what has happened there because it went in
2006 and so we have three years before with a four way stop. We have three
years after with a roundabout and say what is the accident rate look like? Total
13 before and actually more with a roundabout, 19, but the difference is almost
all of them with a roundabout are in the property damage only realm and two
injury accidents — the four way stop actually had four and we think of that as our
safest intersection, but once in a while a person will blow through a four way stop
and won't see it and catch a person broadside. That doesn't happen much with
the roundabout — as you saw the conflicts, I kind of brushed by that, but there is
very few accidents in a roundabout place and have a collision and they tend to
be sideswipes. They are the minor not the t -bones. The cost, we generally use
numbers to run through these costs below and you can see cost per a million
vehicle miles going through the intersection and used the volumes before and
after to make it fair and that was 42,000 per million vehicles with the four way
stop, 15,000 for a roundabout. About a third — cut out about two thirds of them,
reduced it 27,000 per million vehicles and for the intersection for the year,
162,000 — that kind of gives you the idea — how much can we save? 162,000
and we can build a traffic signal for about that. But that is every year that
savings. Roundabout capacity and delay. Delay is very low until you get close to
capacity typically. Capacity is movement specific and its variable. The
intersection may be running free except for one way is backing up a little bit. So
the roundabout does depend on what direction you come in. In rough terms a
one lane roundabout can handle about 20,000 cars. That is both streets and that
would be like Linder and Ustick that we just built over here — a brand new
intersection of about 20,000. So at that point you are starting to need a two lane.
40,000 that is like Meridian and Cherry and Fairview — you are starting to be
about the limit of a two lane roundabout with that just to give you an idea on the
amount counting both streets. Pedestrians and bikes. Pedestrians very low
accident potential and severity, especially at one lane. They are just really easy
to get across and convenient — with a pedestrian at a signal you may push the
button and wait and wait — at a roundabout you have got the right of way and one
car may not stop for you, but it is usually not very long at all. ADA may require
us to signalize multi lane roundabouts — we are kind of waiting for the access
board whether they are going to come down. We developed this hawk signal —
or we haven't developed it, we start using this one and you have seen it over
here on Linder Road where it is — I think that will work well with the roundabout
for minimal delay if we go into the multi lane and we have to start controlling the
approaches. Bicyclists can travel either as a pedestrian or a vehicle, low speeds
mixing very possible. Let me just show you what that looks like. Here is the
pedestrian, short distance to cross. One direction to travel and the cars are
coming relatively slow, probably 30, 25 or even 20 mph at that point, easy for a
pedestrian to get across. The bicyclists approaches on a shoulder or a bike lane
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and then directed either into the pedestrian route to share it with the pedestrians
— they have a little bit nicer facility there to get them through a little wider or they
become a vehicle and most of the bicyclists, serious bicyclists would feel very
comfortable at 20, 25 mph mixing through the traffic stream. You see this over at
Pine at this new semi roundabout without a street. Corridor applications.
Washington DOT is doing this on an entire corridor where they are doing an
island in the middle and roundabouts at the node. Montana has got one. One of
them is five and one is seven. I don't remember which one. But up in the Billings
area they are doing one like that where you can do narrow roads, put it like a
narrow median in there and don't have any turn lane and you don't use very
much right of way in between and then go and make u-turns at the corner at the
roundabout. Golden, CO is a great example. They put one in about 1999 and
you can see they have four of them there and have the four different ones
through kind of a strip commercial area and in some of our western cities that is
your Main Street — but they put those in and this was the accident results — the
threes years before — (inaudible) up to about 120 per year and after it was down
to 20 to 30 and even by the 2004 it was dropped below that. The main thing is
the injury accidents, the ones that really cost and those are in the 10 to 12
accidents a year. Maybe 8 to 12 accidents a year. There is 31 of them in three
years that dropped to one. Pretty amazing results there. The corridor went from
two signals to four roundabouts. The volume increased 30 percent over this
period of time that we are talking about the accident comparison. The travel time
decreased 10 seconds and if you look at the overall through the corridor through
travel time — no waiting at signals. It actually went down even though you had
four roundabouts. Sales increased 60 percent in six years and they were the
only area of Golden that had sustained sales growth. Business egress — time
actually improved. It went down from like 28 to 18 seconds getting out of your
business and one business actually asked them to close the median because
people were blocking traffic and they would go down and come back around and
they were getting used to doing it and so they made that modification.
Emergency vehicles — that is always a concern and this is just an example of a
roundabout back East — what happens when this (inaudible) goes through and
actually comes on the left side of the circle and doesn't slow down — (inaudible)
great big trucks going through here — a big one making a u-turn to one of the
Mike's Sand and Gravel with a 30 foot tongue on the thing and I think he actually
stayed in his lane around there. But they do work very well. This is a two lane
and you can see that concrete ring around there is not very wide on this one
because it is already a two lane road. So they use the whole two lanes when
they go around — like they do a lot of times at left turns at our intersections. This
was the tests that were done early on. Nampa took the lead on that and we got
together on that at the Idaho Center. That is one of your fire trucks having fun
seeing how fast they could go around there. They really did fine. We wanted to
make sure these dimensions work for our usage and (inaudible) — we tried
different ones in both the entries and the circles itself. Why policy? Here is four
key things that we think are important in planning the right of way. It really isn't
feasible to go in and plan conventional intersections and say oops we want to
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build a roundabout. Now we have bought right of way for conventional and it
would be the same the other way around, but the conventional is what exists. A
lot of them they are already built up from the corners and there is just no way it is
going to work out. Apples for apples it does work out; if you compare green field
type like Nampa and Canyon Highway Districts just did a presentation of their
roundabout corridor — Ustick from Middleton Road, I think, all the way to
McDermott — three of those we have jointly with them — Star, Can Ada and
McDermott and they come out about equal — signals verses roundabouts
because the can move the roundabout a little bit and not bother the house too
much and if you are going to rebuild the road anyway, it is about six in one, half
dozen in the other. But in an existing developed area it just isn't going to happen
very often, possibly could be considered. Design consistency that is where it is
really important and that is one of the reasons that we have stalled as long as we
have because there is such an inconsistency out there in design and we needed
to have a consistent design process developed and I think we can get something
that is very high quality, consistently. Development direction. We need to be
able to give direction to the developers and some of them would like to have
roundabouts. A lot of them are building them and they are inconsistent and we
are getting into all kinds of problems. They are owning the circle and they won't
cut the landscape back and people are complaining they can't see and
somebody whips around it and so we really need to give the development good
direction and a capital improvement program — if we plan for this sort of things,
we can fund them when they happen and we can do great partnerships — the
McMillan and Ten Mile and Linder were great partnerships of developers saying
we will come in and say we will do it and we will work with you and the impact
fees work for their benefit and ours where the public really benefits as well as the
developer. Why so long in policy development? 2006 we actually had our
committee — heavy lifting done by a committee of 17, including Boise, Meridian,
Police, Fire, Planning — it was a great group to really look at the issues, thrash
them out — PEC Consulting Engineers did a lot of research on what was out
there, but unfortunately the state of the practice was maturing big time. In 2007
the report came out that looked at almost every roundabout that was built at that
time that had any traffic on it in the country. They sent a team around, took
measurements, speeds and safety and things and they came back and one of
my staff happened to be on that team and he went around and did a lot of that,
but they are incorporating that into the capacity and guidelines, so our staff
should take advantage of that. Staff development. We have got two people on
staff that happen to have expertise in roundabouts, one is Andrew Seabore who
is behind me from Kilson Associates, who is developing these national
standards, both capacity and operation. So he has some good experience. Phil
Rust who helped me prepare this and he worked for Washington DOT and doing
it for several years. Unfortunately he is in our signals and so we don't get to use
him much. But, we have got some good staff expertise and we have been using
these drafting guidelines that the committee developed and the developers have
been looking at them and using them; we have been using them and have been
able to refine those and we have been able to develop an accurate methodology
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for allowing consistent reviews so that we get the same product every time.
What is in the policy? This is the key feature. Objective comparison with a traffic
signal. So the plan is to do a comparison, evaluate the intersection. If we are
going to do an improvement we look at both alternatives fairly. Specific
methodology for analysis — we have a way to do that so it is objective and
consistent. Concept design for build out strategy. What are we going to do? If it
is going to last for ten years, if it is not going to last for ten years we are going to
build it to whatever will — two lane. If it will last for ten years, we kind of look at it
— what is the safety factor? What is the possibility of building it small and
expanding it and should we build it out and just use curbs? That is in the policy.
Design concepts — a roundabout is very complex compared to a standard
intersection. I have been designing those for 35 years. I wouldn't design a
roundabout. I mean, they have three concepts that come up that are used. Key
things — fastest path — how fast will your neighbor's teenager drive through it and
stay in the curbs and be safe? The next one is swept path or natural path and
that is your mother driving through it smoothly staying in the lane and being able
to travel through it safely and comfortably and the other one is swept path — that
is your brother in law driving the big rig and he can go on the truck apron or
whatever, but you have got to meet all three of those and you have got to meet
them for every movement — so you are coming through and you are turning left
on this approach and you have to be able to bring them through there and
measure the speed while you are doing it and it was very subjective. We have
an auto cad method to do it now, but that is a little complex. Design features —
curbs and islands — the top one is a truck apron — you need enough room for the
big low boy to traipse across there and pull great big trailers — 53 foot trailers,
depending on the intersection. I mean some may not need that much, but a lot of
them you are looking for the WD 67, which is that 53 foot trailer with the big long
king pen rear axle length that you are dealing with and that is used. The island
on the left is to slow them down so that you get them down to speed before they
hit the roundabout, so the key thing is having the speed similar to the circulating
car and the entering car and have them both low and if it is a high speed you are
going to have to do them longer type entry island and then the splitter island itself
points in the right direction comfortably, keeps the speed down and provides a
good refuge for the pedestrian as well. Policy features, pedestrian and bike
accommodations is detailed there or given in a general way. The policy is
something that is approved by ordinance. We don't change that very often, so
those are generalities. The design guide is something that will be more of a
living document. Not all the time, but it will change as practices change. Site
distance, important landscaping considerations, these are — the things that they
haven't read are more important to the cities, how these things are landscaped
and still get our site distance involved there. Signing and striping, the lighting is
key; it has to be laid out right to get safety and a good visibility for the
approaching motorist and the pedestrian and of the pedestrian. Access control —
basically we try to keep the same access control that we have for signals. We
don't want driveways or streets close to the roundabouts if possible. We can live
with them if they are, but it is a little slower speed of course, but we try to keep
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the same standard. Submittal and review process. Preplatting is important to do
a preliminary design of the roundabout before we plat because if we have
already platted it is too late to make the circle bigger. It just makes a huge
difference in a roundabout if you don't have enough room and designing
inceptions are covered. The design guide, screening guidelines are in there and
I think cities are probably pretty interested in what ones are chosen to be
roundabouts and what ones are signals and how that is going to work. Design
details are there for the consultant. The single to multi lane expansion is there. I
talked about that and wonder what circumstances we build to the ultimate
originally and what ones we might want to go small and think it is going to be
many years and widen it later and design review process. Why don't we just do
them everywhere? Sounds good. There are some real big things and I don't
want to over sell these things and that is why I put this slide in. A lot of times
existing right of way and roadway footprint are just going to make it so it is cost
prohibited to do. Sometimes traffic volumes are just too high. As you know,
Meridian and Cherry that is the two lane; and it is not going to work at Fairview
and Eagle. We have got double the volume over there, so there is a point just
too much without going — stacking your roundabout or something that you can do
and we are not into that. Optimized signalized corridor. If we have a signal at
every mile and half mile, we can get a decent progression on it. If you throw a
roundabout in the middle, it is going to throw off your platoons and break it up.
So there will be ones that we won't want to do because of that and then a two
way stop — if it works, it is not broke, don't fix it. You are going to cause delay,
you are going to cause your emergency vehicles to slow down for no reason if
we just put it in for a two way stop. So a lot of times that will be sufficient. Where
they plan in the near term. Pine and (inaudible) which is the future street out
here that is kind of built halfway in the near term. Warms Springs and Park
Center will be one. There will be a whole corridor like we are talking about out in
Harris Ranch out to the east of Boise. We will see a corridor very similar to the
one I showed you although, at least physically but it will be new development.
Ten Mile and Amity is one down there and I think it is in for 2014 in our program.
Hill 36, Katalpow to Boise — that is one of those five legged intersections. It is
really an unusual one. Black Cat and Amity is in for preliminary development.
So that is looking for a corridor, Amity being a corridor. Some of these were
flushed out in your South Meridian plan where we had identified some of these
locations for roundabouts. 30th Street extension over by the new park that Boise
is putting in and also Ustick corridor I might mention that is being planned out
over here and we are looking at sharing three of those intersections with Canyon
County and the Star intersection needs warrants right now for a new signal, so it
is a good candidate for a near term, if it is determined to be appropriate for a
roundabout. County wide evaluation process --- we are going to go through a
process and we are starting it now. Andrew will kind of be taking the lead in that
— locations by volume — then we look at the ones that are already built and then
we look at corridor operations and for signals like that and then look at right of
way restraints and then we say these are what are left for roundabouts. But
those are the things that we would be taking into account and that will be a
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master street plan update and we will be talking with your staff, working with you
on the various cities with these locations when it is not a technical thing — as we
get through the technical we will need to deal with the planning process as well.
That is my quick run through of roundabouts and policy and design guidelines.
So, I am open for questions and comments.
Rountree: Terry you mentioned on one of your earlier slides the cost savings if
you will and my question is somewhat a societal cost savings, but what portion of
that is then available back into your budget for additional improvements and if
there is additional monies that would go back in the infrastructure and
improvements, do you factor that annual savings that you are talking about in
your planning process and in your five year capital improvements plan or have
you gotten that far yet?
Little: We haven't got that far yet. I have done a couple before. I looked at
societal costs and actual costs, agency costs and we can't recoup that accident
savings or air pollution savings or congestion savings, that is the public that will
recoup it, but we have looked at a comparison and it has got to be a cost benefit
and see what that will be, either a signal or roundabouts and if the roundabout is
going to cost a lot more, what is the savings to congestion? What is the savings
to accidents and savings to air quality and that sort of a thing? We haven't even
started to quantify air quality, I just throw that out — I am afraid if we go non
attainment that might be something we are looking at.
Rountree: Follow up — it just seems to me that if you are talking about a $2,000
cost savings over a roundabout in the instance that you identify — in ten years
you are talking some real money and it may not all be available to you, which
obviously it is not, but you have got some partners in that that you could go out
and team up with and build a group of folks that could maybe get some interest in
utilizing these funds that are generating more funds to do more of this stuff
whether it is the insurance companies or health providers or whatever, but to me
that is a consortium of people that are going to save a lot of money over time.
Little: I agree. I think there may be great opportunities for partnerships in some
of those areas, especially if this goes on attainment I really see this is going to be
a good tool, but just in general State Farm funded a few years ago three of our
intersections to study -- $20,000 to study Fairview, Eagle and Fairview, Cole and
Milwaukee because they were the worst in the state at that time. But I think
those kind of partnerships are probably out there to look at and if we can
combine it with land use elements too that would be beneficial and innovative
and desirable for livability and that kind of thing.
Hoaglun: Anna if we could go either if before or after that aerial view of the
Happy Valley, Amity I was just kind of curious — what type of land — I think this is
a single lane — what type of land area does that take? Is that an acre, if you have
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a single lane? Is a two lane an acre or what — it is definitely additional land that
you need.
Little: Actually in the standard look as we analyzed it with PUC's work, it came
out to about a push because with an intersection with a three lane road you
widen it out to a right turn lane, left turn lane and a departure lane — so you widen
it out so you require more land on the four approaches, where the roundabout
you require it all at the node. So it actually came out right there — if it was green
field environment — depending on whether it was a three by three, three by five or
five by five road, but they were a push at that point. They may have gotten some
extra and it sure looks huge here, but the beginning one doesn't have turn lanes
and it is not close to what a signal would look like at an intersection.
Hoaglun: You kind of answered my follow up question and as you go out,
increasing like you did at Ustick and Linder a full build out then they would be
approaching what a roundabout would be, but to follow up, ladder truck and
maybe this is for Joe Silva too, it looks like if a low boy can get through that, I
think our ladder truck shouldn't have any problems going through that. Does that
work?
Silva: Yeah, we worked with ACHD staff on that and in some instances we have
utilized that apron that he alluded to in the presentation that as a safety feature I
am sure we can make the turn. One of the things that we have been cognizant
of is any vertical obstructions that may be present on the outside portion of the
roundabout. So in other words a light post, we want to make sure because you
have a basket in front of the apparatus that sticks out about five feet in front of
the bumper, we are very cognizant to make sure those light posts sit back off the
outside as we go around in case the driver should error, we don't want to have
any potential conflicts there. But for the most part as you saw in the presentation
our apparatus went through this. At the time we did not have the aerial, but we
have worked with these manufacturer specifications to ensure that that will
function for the needs of the aerial truck.
Hoaglun: You talked about traffic volume and screening and looking ahead on
what the future needs are. If we put in a roundabout and let's say you plan for
two lanes and you go to two lanes and it goes beyond capacity, is that something
that you can change to a signalized situation? I would think you can, but you are
the expert on that and I didn't know how that works.
Little: It could at a longer range financially. I mean, if you are going to end up —
time to rebuild the road — if you have got the appropriate right of way — I mean
think about the length of the turn lane, like I said — enough to have both the right
of way for the turn lanes and the right of way at the nodes — so in order to keep
that option open it would take a little more right of way, quite a little more right of
way probably. But, we look that way because right now we are staying in the two
lane realm as much at all possible because the US data doesn't tell us how to
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even analyze the three lane and we have tested the English and Australian
against capacity against the Americans and ours are designed tighter for safety,
the Europeans are just flying around those things and they are doing a higher
capacity, but they have a lot higher accident rate too, especially with pedestrians
and that. Yeah, it takes a little creativity to preserve the future, but it could be
done in the future if you think that through and that is part of the early on — we
look at 20, 30 volumes and project what we are going to need.
Hoaglun: I won't tell you — well, what my wife thinks about multi lane circles
because we lived back East in Washington, D.C. and having her go around
DuPont Circle four times before she could figure out how to get off, she won't do
that again. Thank you Terry.
Rountree: Terry you mentioned esthetics — one of the considerations that you
had in developing the roundabout policy — specifically what provisions are you
making in policy with respect to landscaping and spatial landscaping?
Little: This would fall under our normal cost sharing TLIP policy in terms of — or
in our mind or they would have to be some basic — if the city wasn't interested in
the landscape element or participating of it, the very basic type thing is what we
would have to have.
Rountree: Do you have a guideline or a policy statement that explains what
basic is?
Little: I don't think so. I think probably hardscape.
Rountree: That would be my guess.
Little: We really need to break the site line of the head light and deal with that.
But that is a good point.
Zaremba: Any other questions? Thank you very much.
Item 3. Executive Session per Idaho State Code 67-2345 (1)(c) - To
Conduct Deliberations Concerning Labor Negotiations or to
Acquire an Interest in Real Property Which is Not Owned by a
Public Agency:
Bird: Mr. President, I move we go into Executive Session as per Idaho State
Code 67-2345 (1) (c).
Rountree: Second.
Roll Call Vote: Bird, aye; Rountree, aye; Hoaglun, aye; Zaremba, aye.
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ALL AYES. MOTION CARRIED.
(Into Executive Session at 6:42 p.m. and out of Executive Session at 7:05 p.m.)
Zaremba: Councilmen I would entertain a motion to come out of Executive
Session.
Hoaglun: I would move that we come out of Executive Session.
Rountree: Second.
Zaremba: All in favor say aye. Opposed. I will note for the record that Mayor De
Weerd did joint us for the Executive Session and she is now here. I will entertain
a motion to close the special meeting.
Bird: So moved.
Rountree: Second.
Zaremba: All those in favor say aye.
ALL AYES. MOTION CARRIED.
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Roundabout Policy and Design Guide Presentation Outline
What is a roundabout?
• A safe, efficient, circular intersection where vehicles enter, circulate, and exit at low speeds by design
Why roundabouts?
• National, regional, and local momentum
• Public support once built
• Public safety
• Efficiency, the environment, appearance
• Pedestrian and bicycle accommodation
• Good for local business
• Works well with emergency vehicles and semi -trucks
Why policy?
• Fair and consistent implementation
• Adequate direction for development
• Coordination with land use agencies
Why so Iona in policy development?
• Roundabouts are still an emerging treatment - refinements to planning and design tools
• Opportunity to observe others' experiences and learn from them
• Beta testing
What's in the policy?
• When to consider a roundabout
• Design requirements — essentials for safe and efficient roundabouts
• ROW preservation and build -out staging
Why not everywhere?
• ROW constraints
• Extremely high traffic volumes
• Optimal signalized corridor
• Two-way stop sufficient
Where do we go from here?
• Where we're already preparing for roundabouts
o Pine & Webb Avenue
o Warm Springs/Park Center
o Ten Mile/Amity
o Hill/36th/Catalpa
o Black Cat/Amity
0 30th Street Extension
o Ustick corridor (Midland to McDermott)
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MEMORANDUM
TO: Mayor Tammy de Weerd
City Council Members
CC: City Clerk
FROM: Caleb Hood, Planning Manager
Tim Curns, Transportation and Utility Coordinator
RE: Roundabouts
May 4, 2010 Pre -City Council Agenda Item
On May 4th, Terry Little, the ACHD Manager of Traffic Services will present the draft
roundabout guidelines for Ada County. The roundabout guidelines/policy set forth criteria for
1) roundabout site selection, and 2) design. The District is looking for any input the Council
may have as they consider adoption of these guidelines. City Staff wanted to give prepare the
Council for this meeting by presenting and providing some comments from the City staff
perspective on some of the draft guidelines/policy. Staff's analysis is very high-level and
does not get into a lot of the details that go into sighting and designing roundabouts, as such
specifics are particular to the location of the roundabout. We do hope this overview is
helpful, however, in giving you an idea of what elements are proposed for consideration and
to see if any of the criteria need to be further explored with ACHD staff.
A few years ago, ACHD formed a steering committee and researched best roundabout
practices from across the country; Matt Ellsworth represented the City on the steering
committee. Not much has happened with these guidelines over the past couple of years.
ACHD now seems to be trending towards designing roundabouts, rather than signalizing
intersections, even today, before a roundabout policy is adopted. In fact, the draft policy
requires the consideration of roundabouts as intersection control wherever appropriate in
studies, development projects, and ACHD projects within the county. However, ACHD has
not composed a county -wide list of intersections where roundabouts will and will not be
constructed. Instead, the guidelines present which information should be considered when
determining if a roundabout, or a signal, is most appropriate. If approved, the siting and
design guidelines outlined above will be included in ACHD's policy manual.
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Siting of Roundabouts
The draft guidelines group intersections into three categories: where a roundabout is
generally inappropriate, where a roundabout is a good candidate, and where more analysis
should be performed before deciding if a roundabout is appropriate. These three siting
guidelines are outlined below.
Generally inappropriate locations for roundabouts are: where there are high ROW
costs, where pedestrians are very prevalent, where grade issues exist, and where
traffic volumes exceed 50,000 vehicles per day. (NOTE: City staff believes that this
threshold might be a little high — we will explore this standard/threshold further.
ACHD Staff believes that up to about 50,000 vehicles per day can adequately
maneuver through a two-lane roundabout intersection — anything higher would
require signalization (as opposed to constructing a triple -lane roundabout.)
Advantageous locations for roundabout consideration are: where high crash rates and
speeding currently exist, where additional capacity and lessened delays are needed,
where the geometry of the intersection is awkward (e.g. — "Y" or "T" angles coming
into an intersection), where the queue storage area is limited (no turn lanes needed
either), where future traffic patterns are uncertain, and at gateway locations.
Locations where more analysis needs to be done typically: lie in a string of existing
coordinated signals, have limited sight distance, where downstream traffic causes
queues to back up into the roundabout, have a disproportionate flow of traffic on the
legs, and where there are utility conflicts.
Costs are also considered when comparing a roundabout to a signalized intersection. Not
only ROW, design and construction costs, but maintenance costs, user costs and total project
costs are part of the formula for determining if a signal or a roundabout is more appropriate.
Design of Roundabouts
The draft roundabout design guidelines are not prescriptive, hard standards. Much like the
City's Design Manual, the guidelines' parameters are intended to be used in conjunction with
a designer's expertise and knowledge in roundabout design. The designer must account for
vehicle types, design speed, roundabout diameter, entry/exit geometry, signage and striping,
drainage, lighting, access, truck aprons and roadway width, number of lanes (includes
analysis for future expansion), sight distance, the center island, splitter islands and pedestrian
and bike facilities (including ADA). The guidelines are based on previously published
roundabout guides, analysis by ACHD's consultants, and input from a steering committee.
Several visual examples/diagrams are included in the draft guidelines as are best
management practices.
Costs are also considered when comparing a roundabout to a signalized intersection. Not
only ROW, design and construction costs, but maintenance costs, user costs and total project
costs are part of the formula for determining if a signal or a roundabout is more appropriate.
Modeling of the intersection, to evaluate design, is also required in the draft guidelines.
,.� Staff is generally supportive of the draft ACHD Roundabout Guidelines.
ACRD Roundabout Design Guide
5108 ROUNDABOUTS
Roundabouts are gaining popularity across the United States as a safe, efficient means of
controlling and accommodating intersection traffic. ACHD recognizes the need to develop
a common approach to roundabout development in the County. To that end, ACHD has
adopted a set of requirements for the development of roundabouts on roadways within the
District's jurisdiction to serve as an aid to ACHD staff, city planners, design engineers,
developers, and others as they consider and pursue roundabout solutions.
5108.1 Siting Guidelines
A roundabout shall be considered and evaluated as an option if the intersection
is being considered for improvement for any of the following reasons:
• A capacity deficiency exists, and ars all -way stop and/or traffic signal
volume warrant is met as defined in the MUTCD;
• A safety deficiency exists; or
• Unconventional geometry exists.
Roundabouts have been shown to function efficiently and safely under a wide
range of conditions. In short, a roundabout can be constructed at any
intersection where an efficient, safe, and; appropriate design can be achieved. It
is not practical to make specific, exhaustive lists of intersections or sets of
conditions where roundabouts will and will not be allowed. These guidelines
present information for determining whether or not a given intersection is
potentially a suitable location for a roundabout. The subsequent discussion is
broken down into the following three general types of intersections:
• , Intersections where roundabouts are generally inappropriate,
• Intersections where roundabouts may be particularly advantageous,
and
• Intersections where additional analysis will likely be needed to assess
the suitability of the site.
These citing guidelines provide a means of "screening" proposed roundabout
intersections to determine whether or not it is reasonable to advance a
roundabout solution to the alternatives development and evaluation phase of
the project development process. The alternatives analysis (potentially
including other intersection control types, such as signals and stop signs)
should`' be the decision-making tool used to determine whether or not a
roundabout will be constructed, and the final discretion for all intersection
control decisions rests with ACHD.
5108.1.1 Generally Inappropriate Intersections
The following is a list of situations where installing a roundabout is
usually not desirable in Ada County:
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1. Close Proximitv
The distance between the proposed roundabout and the next
fully controlled intersection (existing or planned) does not meet
the spacing requirement in the ACRD Development Policy
Manual. In this case, ACHD will determine which intersection
takes precedence.
2. Impractical Right -of -Way Cost
The cost of right-of-way makes it impractical to obtain sufficient
right-of-way for the type and size of roundabout required to meet
the operational and safety needs of the intersection (e.g.,
developed downtown areas).
3. Significant Grades
If grades greater than 4% are unavoidable for the circulatory
roadway roundaboutscan become impractical to maneuver
efficiently and safely.
4. Extremely High Traffic Demand
When traffic volumes through the intersection exceed the
capacity of a two-lane roundabout (-50,000 TEV ADT under
ideal conditions) other traffic control should be considered as the
complexities of three -large roundabouts (and larger) reduce
some of the safety benefits associated with roundabouts.
Additionally, mini -roundabouts and urban compact roundabouts
are generally inappropriate at intersections serving more than
10,000 and 15,000 vehicles per day, respectively. These
roundabout types should not be used if the design vehicle is a
heavy truck.
5108.1.2 Advantageous Intersections
The characteristics of roundabouts make them particularly attractive
at certain intersections, due to their inherent efficiency and safety.
The following paragraphs present examples of these intersection
types.
1. High Crash Rate Intersections
A roundabout can provide a possible solution for intersections
that experience high crash rates or a higher crash severity by
reducing the number of conflict points where the paths of
opposing vehicles intersect. Furthermore, collisions that occur at
roundabouts involve low speeds and low angles of impact, and
therefore, are less likely to result in serious injury for all road
users. Pedestrian safety features include slower vehicle speeds,
a more prominent crossing location prior to any vehicle -vehicle
conflict points, no signal to distract drivers, and a refuge
between directions of vehicular traffic. Special accommodation
may be required for sight -impaired pedestrians, and designs
shall comply with the currently applicable final rule from the US
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Access Board. Safety evaluation is an important process to
complete for any intersection improvement alternative.
2. Unconventional Intersection Geometry
Conventional forms of traffic control are often less efficient than
roundabouts at intersections with skewed angles, offset
approaches, more than four approaches, or close intersection
spacing. Roundabouts may be better suited for such
intersections because they do not require complicated signing or
signal phasing. Their ability to accommodate high turning
volumes makes them especially effective at "Y" or `T" junctions.
Roundabouts may also be useful in eliminating a pair of closely
spaced intersections by combining them to form one multileg
roundabout.
3. Intersections with Increased Capacity Needs
When considering methods to increase the capacity of an
intersection, a roundabout is an alternative to stop signs and
traffic signals. With conventional traffic signals, only alternating
streams of vehicles are permitted to proceed through at one
time, causing increased delay and a loss of capacity when the
intersection clears between phases. In contrast, roundabouts
allow vehicles to enter simultaneously from multiple approaches
usingshort` headways, reducing delay and increasing capacity.
The only restriction on entering a roundabout is the availability of
gaps in the circulating: flow. The slow speeds within the
roundabout allow drivers to safely select a gap that is relatively
small. Traffic operation analysis generally finds that roundabouts
produce less vehicular delay than traffic signals.
4. Intersections with Cgnstrained Queue Storage
Due to reduced delay and continuous flow at roundabouts,
lengthy queues are generally less prevalent than at intersections
with other types of traffic control. As a result, fewer lanes and/or
shorter queue storage areas may be required.
5. Controlled Access Facilities
Roundabouts can facilitate U-turns, which can be especially
beneficial to facilities with raised medians and access control,
allowing vehicles to access properties on the opposite side of
the roadway.
6. Intersections where Approach Widening is Infeasible
At some locations, widening one or more approaches to
accommodate the needed number of lanes for a traffic signal
installation is difficult or cost -prohibitive (e.g., widening a
freeway interchange cross -street to provide turn -lanes may
require a new bridge.) Roundabouts do not require exclusive
turn lanes and can be advantageous under these
circumstances.
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7. Locations where Traffic Patterns are Uncertain
Roundabouts can absorb changes in traffic patterns with less
operational disruption than is experienced at traffic signals. This
characteristic of roundabouts makes them particularly
advantageous at locations where there is uncertainty regarding
traffic patterns or traffic patterns are variable.
8. Intersections with Excessive Speeds
Regulatory signage alone has been shown to be ineffective in
controlling vehicle speeds. Speed control is dependent on
enforcement, environment,,: ,;and/or geometry. Roundabout
geometry limits vehicle speeds by design and creates a
subsequent "traffic calming" benefit.
9. "Gateway" Intersections
While not usually a primary consideration when evaluating the
appropriateness of a roundabout, the aesthetic benefits of
roundabouts can be a factor in their selection. These aesthetic
benefits may make gateway intersections,, (e.g., university and
residential development entrances, dividing lines between
urban/rural areas, speed zone transition points, etc.) particularly
appropriate sites for roundabouts, provided they are not
inappropriate for the control of traffic at that location.
5108.1.3 Intersections Requiring Further Analysis
The following conditions raise concerns that might make a
roundabout less desirable than other intersection control types and
require additional evaluation before implementation.
1. Isolated Intersections in a Coordinated Signal Network
The overallsystem may be better served with a signalized
intersection to maintain progression and traffic control continuity
for motorists. There may be situations where an intersection
within a coordinated signal system requires a significantly
different cycle length or is difficult to provide good progression
through. If this intersection dictates operations of the
coordinated system and reduces the overall efficiency, a
roundabout may work within the system or allow it to be split into
two coordinated networks, thus improving the efficiency of the
entire network.
2. Significant Queues
Queues from a downstream traffic control device or other
constraint should not extend into the roundabout reducing or
stopping the flow of vehicles in the circulatory roadway. A
detailed queuing analysis or simulation should be conducted to
determine the feasibility of the roundabout and possible
remediation to reduce the queue lengths and impacts.
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3. Unbalanced Traffic Flow
A minor approach may back up due to a lack of gaps caused by
a heavy flow of through and/or left -turning traffic on the major
street. In addition, the dominant traffic movement may assume
right-of-way and not yield when appropriate. It is also possible
that the major movement may experience unnecessary delay.
4. High Pedestrian Activitv
Intersections where the predominant traffic is regularly
comprised of pedestrians may be better served by another
device that provides protected; pedestrian crossings.
5. Utility Conflict
Locations where there are major utility, irrigation, and/or
drainage conflicts that couldbe more easily avoided with the
installation of a different form of traffic control.
5108.2 Design Guidelines
Typical roadway or intersection design standards consist of minimum values for
such design parameters as roadway width, shoulder width, centerline radius,
curb return radius,vertical curve "K"'`' values, design vehicle, etc. These
minimum values provide the minimum acceptable design. Common belief is
that use of greater values, where possible, results in a more conservative,
"better" design. The idea is that if a certain amount of something (e.g., the
number of approach lanes to an intersection) is good, then more of it is better.
Although some design philosophies, such as "context sensitive design," have
challenged that way of thinking, it is still the predominant approach used across
the country.
Roundabout design''' requires a shift in the thought processes of both design
itself and the establishment of design policies. Providing greater than optimum
values for design parameters can be as bad as or worse than providing less
than optimum values. For example, providing pavement widths, entry curve
radii, and inscribed circle diameters that are larger than optimum will result in
excessive speed and reductions in safety and efficiency. Also, _ proper design
can't be achieved by following a "cookbook" process and selecting standard
values for design parameters. The nuances of roundabout design and
operation are such that it is the combination of parameter values for a given
site that will produce the desired result, not the individual values. This is
sometimes referred to as taking a "holistic" approach to design. The different
elements of the roundabout work in harmony to produce the desired
operational efficiency and driver behavior. The "best" combination of parameter
values will vary from site to site and even from one leg of the roundabout to
another. This variation is due to differing traffic characteristics, topographic
constraints, roadway function, etc.
Based on the discussion above, what follows are not prescriptive, hard
standards for geometric layout (except where necessary.) The intent is rather
to provide guidance that a designer can use, in conjunction with his or her
knowledge and expertise in roundabout design, to produce designs that avoid
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certain extremes deemed undesirable by ACHD. The intent is also to form the
basis for the development of "sample" roundabout designs to assist ACHD in
identifying right-of-way preservation needs for potential future roundabouts.
The guidance presented here is not a substitute for designer experience,
expertise, and engineering judgment.
Roundabout designers should be familiar with, and make use of, nationally
accepted guidance documents. Examples of four such documents are the
following:
• Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices for Streets and Highways —
Federal Highway Administration, 2009;
• A Policy on Geometric Design of Highways and Streets — American
Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials, 2001
(AASHTO Green Book);
• Roundabouts: An Informational Guide — U.S. DOT Federal Highway
Administration, 2000 (FHWA Guide); and
• NCHRP Report 572: Roundabouts in the United States —
Transportation Research Board, 2007.
5108.2.1 Design Parameters
The following table presents roundabout design guidelines for the
primary parameters of concern and discusses the issues associated
with them.
Design
Parameter
Discussion
Design Guidance
Design
Roundabouts must be designed to accommodate any
WB -67 for principal arterial
Vehicle
vehicle type and size that regularly uses the intersection.
intersections, industrial areas,
In general, this "maximum" vehicle will vary from location
and access to industrial areas.
to location and even between different turning
movements in the same roundabout based on the
WB -50 or larger for minor arterial
adjacent land use and roadway function. It is incumbent
intersections.
on the. designer to do background research to determine
what vehicles must be accommodated at a particular
BUS, fire truck, or larger for
location. Analysis of vehicle turning movements using a
roadways in residential areas not
software package (e g., AutoTURN or AutoTRACK)
intended to serve thru traffic.
should be done to check that the proposed geometry is
adequate for the selected design vehicle.
Design
Guidance from the FHWA Guide and NCHRP Report 572
Conflicting entering and
Speed
should be used to determine the fastest paths and
circulating traffic speeds shall be
expected speeds. The fastest path is the path of least
within a 6 mph spread from
travel time made by a passenger vehicle traversing
slowest to fastest (12 mph for
through the roundabout in the absence of other traffic
multilane entries).
and ignoring all lane markings. The fastest path tracks
the center of the car and must be at least 5 feet from any
Entry speeds must be limited to
curb. The precise path is a series of tangential spiral
20 mph for single -lane and 25
curves. The fastest paths and corresponding speeds are
mph for multilane entries. Other
controlled by a combination of the roundabout diameter,
environmental factors (schools,
entry and exit approach geometry, vehicular acceleration,
etc.) may require further
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Parameter
Discussion
Design Guidance
and cross -slope. The relationship between curve radius,
reduction in entry speeds.
cross -slope, and speed is detailed in the AASHTO
"Green Book." It is important to minimize the differences
Draw paths in AutoCAD per the
inspeeds of the various vehicles using the roundabout.
ACHD fastest path procedure.
Inscribed
Several factors must be considered in selecting an
Dual -lane: 150-180 feet.
Circle
inscribed circle diameter (ICD) to use for a given
Diameter
intersection. Prominent considerations are the number of
Single -lane: 100-130 feet.
lanes in the circulatory roadway, number of intersecting
legs, angle of intersecting legs, traffic composition, and
Urban compact: 80-100 feet.
topographic constraints. Larger diameters can more
easily accommodate multilane operation without path
Mini: 45-65 feet.
overlap issues, facilitate creating adequate horizontal
deflection (slower entry speeds), and generally yield
Note: These dimensions are
slightly greater capacities. However, they can also invite
approximate starting ranges for
higher circulating speeds, are more costly to construct,
typical cases; they do not imply
and may have greater impacts to adjoining: properties.
that a particular value is optimum
For intersections with legs at right angles and with no
at a'specific location, or that the
more than four legs, the ICD should generally fall within
parameter is limited to these
the ranges indicated in the guidance column. Unusual
values.
site conditions may require the use of larger or smaller''
diameters.
Mini and urban compact roundaboutsare solutions ,
intended for locations with extremely constrained right-of-
way where compromising design, features is not expected
to have a significant impact on the intersection's safety
and operation, or inconvenience the majority of the
intersection users.
Entry/Exit
In general, large radii on exits and smaller radii on
Exit radius: 300 feet or larger.
Geometry
entrances are desirable. A large exiting radius reduces
(Can be as small as 50 feet at
exit crashes and improves visibility between exiting
mini -roundabouts and 100 feet at
vehicles and crossing pedestrians. It also helps create a
urban compact roundabouts.)
"left offset" condition on the approach increasing entry
deflection. With a flat exit, the left offset can be achieved
Entry radius: 50-100 feet.
while maintaining adequate splitter island width for
pedestrian refuge. CLeft offset" design may not be
Entry taper: from existing
achievable at some roundabouts:) A smaller entry radius
approach lane width at beginning
helps achieve the desired entry approach speed. For
of taper to —14-18 feet width (25 -
multilane roundabouts, path overlap must be avoided.
30 feet for dual -lane) over —50 -
Selection of design entry and exit radii must also
100 feet taper length.
consider the traffic needs and geometric constraints
imposed by the specific site. Entry lane flares improve
Entry lane flares at mini -
operational efficiency and capacity, and help to
roundabouts are optional
accommodate truck turning. However, entry flares
combined with small central islands may not provide
Note: These dimensions are
adequate horizontal deflection to achieve acceptable
approximate starting ranges for
speeds.
typical cases; they do not imply
that a particular value is optimum
at a specific location, or that the
parameter is limited to these
values.
Roadway
The roadway should not be wider than is necessary. At
The roadway width should
Width
best, wide pavements increase construction and
accommodate all design vehicles
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Parameter
Discussion
Design Guidance
maintenance costs. At worst, they decrease the safety of
except semis. The design
the roundabout by encouraging higher speeds. In
vehicle's swept path shall have a
general, the width of the roadway should be adequate to
2 feet clearance to an adjacent
accommodate the swept paths of all movements for all
vehicle's swept path and a 1 foot
design vehicles except semis (typically a bus or fire truck
clearance between the swept
is the critical design vehicle.) A swept path is the space
path and roundabout curb.
required to accommodate all parts of a vehicle through a
maneuver.
Circulating lane: —1-2 feet wider
than the entry lane at the yield
For multilane roundabouts, design vehicles must be
line.
selected for side-by-side lane analysis to ensure vehicles
can travel side-by-side through a roundabout without
Note: These dimensions are
their swept paths colliding.
approximate starting ranges for
typical cases; they do not imply
that a particular value is optimum
at a specific location, or that the
parameter is limited to these
values.)
Truck Apron
Truck aprons are raised traversable areas used to
Accommodate additional semi -
accommodate semi -trailer combination off tracking while
trailer off -tracking (WB -67, WB -
achieving adequate deflection for all other vehicles.
50, etc.) with a 1 feet clearance
from vehicle swept path to
The roadway width is designed to accommodate the
roundabout curb on outside of
swept paths of all design vehicles except semis. The
truck apron.
additional off -tracking experienced by semi -trailers is
handled through the use of truck aprons. A truck apron is
Truck apron shall be 3 inches
usually needed around the center of a single -lane
above adjoining pavement with
roundabout.. Sometimes'a truck apron is used on the
mountable curb.
outside of a roundabout to accommodate tight right turns.
The truck apron width is determined by the off -tracking
Colored/textured concrete or
distance from the roadway.
pavers that is different than
roadway and pedestrian/bicycle
The truck apron is raised 3 inches above the adjoining
facilities.
pavement to discourage passenger vehicles from "short -
cutting" across the apron. A mountable/traversable curb
Because the central island at
should be used between the roadway and the truck
mini -roundabouts is fully
apron. The apron should also be constructed of
mountable, no separate truck
colored/textured concrete or pavers to provide contrast
apron is necessary at those
with the roadway surface, and sidewalks and crosswalks
locations.
so pedestrians realize it is not for their use.
Number of
The number of entering, circulating, and exiting lanes at
To be determined by an
Lanes
roundabouts has; a: pronounced effect on roundabout
approach -by -approach traffic
operation. In general, it is desirable to provide only the
operation analysis.
number of lanes that are needed to provide acceptable
capacity. Fewer lanes provide less complex operation,
"Rules -of -thumb" for determining
which generally translates into improved safety. The
starting point for analysis:
number of approach lanes and their assignment should
. TEV ADT <22,000 typically
be determined on an approach -by -approach basis by a
single -lane roundabout.
traffic operation analysis (traffic operation analysis is
. TEV ADT >27,000 and
generally performed as a part of the alternatives
<39,000 typically two-lane
analysis.) Not all approaches need to have the same
roundabout.
number of lanes. The number of circulating lanes is
. TEV ADT > 39,000 requires
driven by the number of approach lanes and their
more analysis.
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assignment. Some portions of the circulatory roadway
. Sum of entering and
may have more lanes than others. Similarly, the number
circulating volume at merge
of exit lanes on a given leg is driven by the entry lane
point <1100 vph typically
configuration of the other approaches and the circulatory
requires one approach lane.
roadway design. Attention must be paid to issues of lane
. Sum of entering and
balance and continuity in considering the number of
circulating volume at merge
lanes for each portion of the roundabout.
point >1400 vph and <1800
vph typically requires two
To the right are some "rules -of -thumb" regarding
approach lanes.
roundabout capacity. Note that the ADT's represent
. Sum of entering and
intersection total entering volume (TEV) and are for a
circulating volume at merge
typical 4 -leg intersection with legs at approximate right
point >2300 vph typically
angles to each other.
requires three approach
lanes.
Natural Path
The natural path of a passenger vehicle is'a path that
Natural paths shall not encroach
can be comfortably followed at roundabout operating
on each other or on curbs.
speeds. It does not contain any abrupt changes in
direction. There is one natural path for each legal
movement in each lane.
Natural paths shall not encroach on each other or on
curbs. Encroachment can be caused by angle points, flat
spots, or arcs shorter than three passenger car lengths
that drivers tend to smooth out by cutting corners. The ;
key principal in determining the natural path of a vehicle `
is to remember that they cannot change their direction or
speed instantaneously.
Bypass
Bypass lanes provide additional capacity to a roundabout
Determine appropriateness of a
Lanes
without adding circulating lanes. By reducing the number
bypass lane and its type as
of entry lanes at the circulatory roadway,', bypass lanes
necessary. Bypass lanes shall
can also help minimize the entry fastest path speeds and
accommodate the appropriate
minimize natural path issues. Impacts to pedestrian and
design vehicle(s) and comply
bicycle users, and right-of-way requirements need to be
with appropriate fastest path
carefully considered when evaluating bypass lanes.
speed limits.
There are two types, of bypass lanes. One type must
yield to the traffic in the exit approach lane and the other
type has an exclusive receiving lane on the exit approach
which may or may not merge downstream. Yielding
bypass lanes have lower capacity than free or merge
bypass lanes. At the yield point, the bypass lane should
intersect with the exit approach at an angle that allows
the driver to see oncoming conflicting traffic easily.
Bypass merge lanes should be designed to AASHTO
uidelines.
Sight
It is important that an appropriate amount of intersection
Intersection and stopping sight
Distance
sight distance be provided to drivers as they approach
distance requirements shall be
the yield line on a roundabout entry. The concept of
calculated based on the speed
"sight triangles" as discussed in the AASHTO "Green
results from the fastest path
Book" is applicable to roundabouts with some adaptation:
analysis. Intersection sight
Driver position for measuring sight distance (i.e.
distance should be calculated
"decision point") is approximately 50 feet from
using a time gap of 4.5 seconds.
the yield line.
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• The length of the conflicting leg's sight "triangle"
The minimum calculated
should be measured along the curvilinear path of
intersection and stopping
travel, not as a straight line.
distance for each approach shall
• Sight distances significantly in excess of the
be provided.
minimums encourage higher approach speeds
and are therefore undesirable. However, limited
sight distance cannot take the place of good
geometry in reducing entry speeds
As with other types of roadway facilities, adequate
stopping sight distance must be provided throughout the
roundabout. Care should also be taken to provide
appropriate sight distance between drivers and
pedestrians, including pedestrians at the side of the road
who have not yet entered the crosswalk. Diagrams in the
FHWA Guide as well as other publications can be useful
to the designer in analyzing the sight distance issues.
The designer must recognize that there are various
speeds governing sight requirements in a roundabout
(approach, entry, circulating, exit, etc.). Care must be
taken to ensure that the correct speed is used for each
element of the analysis.
Central Island
The central islands of roundabouts provide an
Provide berming, landscaping,
opportunity for aesthetic enhancement. Through
and/or public art for aesthetic
landscaping and/or public art, roundabout islands help to
benefit and to avoid undesirable
visually define the areas where they are located. From a
sight distance. Restrict height of
traffic operational standpoint, landscaping,;berm'ing, and
landscaping and placement of
other visual' obstructions within the central island serve a
fixed objects as necessary to
useful purpose. Limiting sight distance to just what is
provide required stopping and
needed for safe merging and stopping helps to control
intersection sight distances.
speeds and limit crashes. The roundabout design needs
Fixed object placement should
to consider the provision of irrigation water and power to
conform to AASH TO Roadside
the central island for the landscaping and, lighting. When
Design Guide principles.
selecting public art to place in a roundabout central
island, it is important to consider the following:
Central islands for mini-
• Overly complex pieces are likely to distract the
roundabouts are to be
driver's attention and are therefore undesirable.
traversable by trucks and should
• Pedestrian traffic to the central island is
not be smaller than 10 feet or
unacceptable. The pieces should not encourage
larger than 20 feet in diameter.
pedestrians to venture to the island for a "better
Surfacing and curbing
look", nor should any interpretive plaques or
requirements are the same as for
other such accessories be provided.
truck aprons. Use of collapsible
bollards or other raised
It is desirable for the center island to contain features
delineation may be allowed or
with sufficient vertical relief to provide a visual cue to
required by ACHD as determined
approaching motorists that they need to slow down. At a
on a case-by-case basis.
minimum the island should be mounded.
Islands should provide a pullout for maintenance vehicles
if necessary. The pullout should be located to minimize
impact to sight distance when occupied, and if there is no
adjacent truck apron, the mountable portion of the curb
shall be designed as a truck apron curb.
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Splitter
Splitter islands provide a refuge for pedestrians, creating
Splitter islands shall be long
Islands
a two-stage crossing maneuver such that pedestrians
enough to control the fastest
only deal with one direction of traffic at a time. This is a
paths and to slow vehicles at a
feature that helps give roundabouts the safety record
comfortable deceleration rate.
they enjoy. Splitter islands also provide physical and
The minimum length required for
visual separation between the entering and exiting traffic.
a splitter island is 50 feet from
They define the curvilinear path to be traversed by
the circulating roadway.
vehicles approaching the yield line to enter the
roundabout. This physical definition, or "channelization,"
The minimum width of the raised
of the approach further encourages vehicles to follow the
splitter island at the pedestrian
path intended for them, rather than ignore striping and
crossing shall be in compliance
follow a straightened path. Splitter islands help control"
with the Americans with
the speeds of vehicles entering the roundabout. The
Disabilities Act (currently 8 feet.)
length of the splitter can vary significantly based on the >,
geometry of the roundabout, the roadway and land use
Splitter islands at mini -
environment, and the approach speed. Splitter islands
roundabouts and urban compact
that are wide at the edge of the circulatory roadway
roundabouts are to be
provide somewhat improved capacity because the
traversable by trucks. Minis may
increased separation between the entrance and the
have painted splitter islands
upstream exit aids the entering driver in determining
where raised mountable islands
early whether an upstream vehicle will continue in the
are not possible or necessary for
circulatory roadway or exit. This allows the driver to
speed control.
accept a gap and enter traffic when he may not otherwise
know that gap is going to open up until it's too late to take
Splitter islands at mini -
advantage of it.
roundabouts do not have
minimum length requirements. In
addition, if they are not raised or
do not provide sufficient room to
meet ADA requirements, the
crosswalk shall extend across
the entire approach with no
pedestrian refuge.
Pedestrian
Where the provision of pedestrian and bicycle facilities is
Provide pedestrian crosswalks 1
Bicycle
deemed appropriate, they must be designed in a way
car length (approximately 20-25
Facilities
that provides for the safety of these users. They should
feet) back from the yield lines.
be designed in a way that discourages pedestrian
crossings to the central island. Crosswalks to and/or
Provide ADA -compliant
pedestrian ramps oriented toward the central island shall
pedestrian ramps, including
never be provided. Pedestrian crosswalks should
truncated domes, at all
consider total walking distance, exposure area to
crosswalks (this includes the
vehicles, visibility, sight distance, and positive guidance.
crosswalk entrances from the
splitter island refuge areas.)
In the future, Public Rights -of -Way Accessibility
Wings should not be used on
Guidelines (PROWAG) may require pedestrian crossings
ramp curbs if they are not in
of multiple lanes to be signalized. All multilane
direct contact with the sidewalk.
roundabouts should consider' this possibility and the
resulting need for additional traffic control such as a
Provide planter strips between
pedestrian hybrid beacon.
the sidewalks and curbs around
the exterior of the roundabout (all
Providing planter areas between the sidewalks and curbs
vegetation must comply with
around the exterior of the roundabout encourages
sight distance requirements.)
pedestrians to cross at appropriate locations (i.e., the
crosswalk), helps to discourage crossings to the central
Clearly terminate bike lanes and
island, and also enhances pedestrian safety and comfort.
shoulders prior to the
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Separating crosswalks from the yield lines allows drivers
roundabout. Provide ramps (or
to deal with crossing pedestrians independently from the
curb openings) at these locations
vehicle merges and turning movements. This allows
for bicycles to access the
drivers to focus their attention on the pedestrians,
sidewalks (or shared -use path).
thereby improving pedestrian safety. The use of the
Consider widening the sidewalk
splitter island as a refuge allows pedestrians to make the
between bicycle ramps to shared
crossing as a series of one-way traffic crossings, rather
path standards. Bicycle ramps
than a longer crossing of two-way traffic further aiding
shall be provided at safe and
pedestrian safety.
maneuverable angles for
bicyclists.
When bicycle lanes (or "safety shoulders") are provided<
along approaching roadways, they must be terminated
prior to the roundabout. At the termination point,
bicyclists choose whether they want to proceed through
the roundabout in the same manner as a motor vehicle
(in which case they move to the center of the vehicular
lane and claim it as their own as they proceed through)
or they want to exit the roadway and cross as a
pedestrian. Ramps (or curb openings to a shared -use
path) provided at the ends of the bike lanes and safety
shoulders allow cyclists who choose the latter option to
access the pedestrian facilities. These bicycle ramps
should be separate from the pedestrian ramps and
located further from the circulatory roadway than the
pedestrian crossing facilities. Bicycle ramps should be
provided at angles easily maneuverable by the bicyclists -.
(ideally parallel to bike lane/shoulder) and should not
direct bicyclists into the motor traffic travel lane. Bicycle
lanes shall never be provided within a roundabout.
Signing &
While there is considerable variation in roundabout
Signing and striping should be
Striping
markings around the country, the latest edition of the
designed in accordance with the
MUTCD most closely reflects the current state of the
most recent version of the
practice and is a critical resource for roundabout signing
MUTCD.
and striping design. Chapter 2B provides information
regarding regulatory signs, Chapter 2C provides
Markings that shall not be used
information on warning signs, and Chapter 2D provides
include:
guidance for guide signs at roundabouts. In addition,
. Crosswalks to the central
Chapter 3C provides' direction solely regarding
island.
roundabout markings..
• Bike lanes within the
roundabout.
All required signs and pavement markings as identified in
. Continuous concentric lane
the MUTCD should be included in the roundabout
lines on the circulatory
design. Optional signing and striping should be
roadway.
considered on a case-by-case basis. It is important to
clearly communicate necessary information to motorists
without overloading them with too much information.
Generally, yield lines, "YIELD text markings, and optional
lane striping next to curbs, are not desired. Secondary
yield signs are only included when necessary (e.g.,
multilane entry, limited sight distance.)
ACHD prefers use of the fish-hook arrows instead of the
normal arrows as they more closely reflect the driving
pattern of roundabouts.
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Diagrammatic signs can be helpful for irregular
intersections.
Vertical
The roadway, aprons, and hard -surfaced islands must be
2% outward desirable on
Alignment
sloped to provide for adequate drainage. The most
circulatory roadway, entrances,
common guidance on drainage is to slope the circulating
and exits. 2% outward desirable
roadway away from the central island at a 2% slope. Two
on truck apron. 1.5% to 2.5%
reasons are generally used to justify this practice. The
allowed across travel lanes and
first is that by sloping away from the central island, the
truck aprons. Slopes down to -
island can more readily be seen by approaching vehicles.
4% and up to +4% allowed in the
The second reason is that sloping the roadway away;,,;
direction of travel around the
from the island creates a negative superelevation which
circle and in the intersection
helps to control speeds. Truck aprons must also be
influence area. Vertical profiles
sloped. They are commonly sloped outward at the same < -,
should represent the centerline
slope as the circulatory roadway; however, they can also
of the travel way (not the road.)
be sloped inward if a means of disposing "of'the runoff
water at the central island is provided. Sloping the apron
inward may help to reduce truck tipping for vehicles that
must use the apron, but may also cause high -centering
for low -boy trucks.
Curbs
3" mountable curbs are required between the roadvway
Low -profile (31 mountable curb
and truck aprons. In addition, they may be placed around
between roadway and truck
splitter islands of mini- or urban compact roundabouts.
apron(s). Mountable curbs
Mountable curbs should deter passenger; cars from
around splitter islands of mini- or
driving over them and provide adequate deflection. All
urban compact roundabouts. 6"
other curbs shall be 6" roundabout curb (except if the 6"
roundabout curb around splitter
curb needs to be rolled mountable for a driveway).
islands at all other roundabouts.
Vertical curb on inside edge of
truck apron. 6" roundabout curb
and gutter on outside edges of
roundabout. See ISPWC SD -
701 B for curb details.
Illumination
Proper illumination is needed at roundabouts to meet the
Meet ANSI RP -8-00 lighting
following objectives
standards.
• Provide adequate lighting for pedestrians so that
they can be seen by approaching motorists.
All merge and diverge points,
• Provide lighting for routeguidance. All
curb noses, and pedestrian
movements in roundabouts are turning
crossings should be well -lit.
movements. A driver's headlights therefore do
Place luminaires upstream or
not point inthe direction a driver needs to be
downstream of pedestrian
looking. Luminaires are needed to overcome
crossings to improve pedestrian
this.
visibility. Do not place luminaires
• Provide' nighttime "target value" of the
directly above pedestrian
roundabout for approaching motorists. The target
crossings.
value aids in slowing motorists as they approach
the roundabout.
Placement of luminaires on the
central island or splitter islands
An adequate amount of lighting must be furnished and it
shall be avoided.
must be placed strategically to accomplish all of the
objectives. It is also important to not provide too much
light at the intersection as compared to the intersecting
roadways such that driver's eyes are unable to adjust
sufficiently to the light/dark transition.
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Access
As with other intersection types, it is desirable to keep
Meet ACHD standards for
Control
driveway approaches as far away from roundabouts as
driveway placement relative to
possible. Taking advantage of the ease of making U-
intersections (see ACHD
turns at roundabouts allows a corner parcel with right -in-
Development Policy Manual.)
right -out driveways on both streets to be fully accessible
to and from all directions. In fact, all that is needed to
Restrict driveways to right -in -
achieve that full accessibility is a one-way driveway from
right -out where left -turn access
the street into the parcel on the exit side of the
cannot be safely provided.
roundabout and a one-way driveway out from the parcel
onto the street on the entrance side. Low-volume
driveways, such as single-family homes, can be placed
as close to the roundabout intersection as would be
allowed for other intersection types. Where it is
necessary to provide full access to a driveway, the
driveway should be kept beyond the ends of the splitter ;
islands. Where placement or perpetuation of driveways
within the areas where left -turn access is blocked by the
splitter islands is unavoidable, those driveways will need
to be right -in -right -out only.
Direct driveway access to the circulatory roadway is not
desirable and will only be allowed with specific approval
by ACHD after the designer has demonstrated to
ACHD's satisfaction that such a solution is the last resort,
can be designed properly, and is, preferredover a full
access driveway cut through the Splitter island. Proper
design includes a sidewalk and rolled mountable curb so
it does not look like an exit and where possible, provides
a way to turn around in the driveway to prevent backing
into the roundabout.
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5108.2.2 Traffic Operations Analysis
The latest edition of the Highway Capacity Manual shall be used to
conduct the traffic analysis for all peak periods of the intersection's
construction year and design year(s). Additional analytical or
simulation tools may be required to supplement the traffic analysis.
The analysis tools shall be calibrated to match either the latest
edition of the Highway Capacity Manual or local conditions. Site
selection, data collected, and calibration methods must be
compatible with the HCM and pre -approved by ACHD.
Roundabout traffic operations shall be reported on a lane -by -lane
basis. The acceptable level of service for all roundabouts shall be
based upon the critical/worst lane and a maximum volume -to -
capacity (V/C) ratio of 0.85. Traffic delay, level of service grading,
and 95th percentile queues should also be reported.
Roundabouts shall be analyzed with the following default
parameters:
Variable
Existing Analysis
Future Analysis
Traffic Volume
Existing
Forecast
PHF
Actual
0.90
Percent Heavy Vehicles (HV)
Existing %
HCM Analysis Duration
0.25 hours
Lane Utilization Factor
Exhibit 10-23
Passenger Car Equivalents (PCE) for HV
2
1 — Analyze all critical hours as defined, by ACHD. Procedure and key assumptions used to
develop analysis volumes shall be provided to and approved by ACHD.
2 — Use existing PHF if existing PHF > 0.90 and no capacity improvements are planned
3 — If intersection does not currently exist or traffic composition is anticipated to change,
engineering judgment should be used and documented.
4 — As traffic analysis tools require, other parameters shall reflect the recommendations of the
HCM, the proposed roundabout design, and the traffic conditions as closely as possible.
5108.2.3 Intersection Capacity Enhancement Phasing
It is generally undesirable to construct a multilane roundabout in
locations where a single -lane roundabout would handle the traffic for
many years. Where they can safely and efficiently handle the
anticipated traffic, single -lane roundabouts are preferable to
multilane roundabouts for the following reasons:
• Operational simplicity
• Better safety record
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• During low-volume periods multilane roundabouts
experience less obedience to signing and pavement
markings, resulting in higher speeds.
Therefore, in locations where a multilane roundabout will ultimately
be needed but is not needed for ten years or more, three possible
options to constructing the ultimate design shall be considered:
• Construct the ultimate design; or
• Construct an interim roundabout that will be replaced by an
ultimate roundabout in the future; or
• Construct an interim roundabout that is expandable (inward
or outward) to the ultimate roundabout in the future.
The final discretion for which option is selected rests with ACHD. If
the expandable option is chosen, the ultimate roundabout design
must be approved'` before the interim roundabout is designed.
Interim roundabout designs must use curb to define the outside of
the travel way (i.e., striping alone is not acceptable.)
In designing an expandable roundabout, the following issues must
be considered:
• Expanding a "good" single -lane design does not necessarily
result in a "good multilane design. This is due to the fact
that the issues associated with multilane design are much
more complex, particularly with the issue of path overlap.
• The design process must start with a good multilane
roundabout layout (ultimate configuration) that addresses
the issues of fastest path, path overlap, design vehicle
accommodation etc. Once the ultimate multilane layout is
determined the designer can evaluate interim design options
that may be constructed in phases.
• The initial single -lane, the ultimate multilane design, and any
interim designs must be thoroughly analyzed to ensure
proper operations and safety. The design cannot short-
change either the interim or the ultimate design's operation
or safety.
• A roundabout constructed for multilane operation and striped
for single -lane use is not acceptable. Proper channelization
for single -lane operation must be provided by physical
improvements including curbs on both sides of all vehicle
paths extending at least to the ends of the splitter islands, or
farther if necessary, for positive physical control and
guidance.
• Depending on the particulars of a given site, it may not be
feasible to construct an expandable roundabout.
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An initial or interim roundabout design can be conducted utilizing
one of two basic schemes (building the full outside footprint and
widening inward or building the final interior features and widening
outward.) The advantages and disadvantages of the two schemes
are summarized in the table below:
Scheme
Advantages
Disadvantages
• Drainage features &
More widening on each leg
sidewalks are built initially*
— longer transitions
• Full right-of-way needs
Higher initial cost*
Build Full Outside Footprint &
P
taken care of up front*
Higher single lane
Widen Inward
Future expansion impacts
circulating speed
islands and signing and
striping only — no impacts to
Greater construction traffic
adjoining property*
conflicts
• Lower initial' -cost*
Adjoining properties
• Drainage facilities,
impacted twice instead of
sidewalks, & ultimate right-
once*
of --way can be obtained <
Lack of pedestrian facilities*
Build Final Interior Features &
through development
exactions*
Potentially higher ultimate
Widen Outward
costs if additional adjacent
• Lower single lane circulating
development occurs by the
speed
time the roundabout is
• Lower construction traffic
expanded*
conflicts
Note: It is preferable to purchase all
the right-of-way initially so that utilities
and sidewalks can be placed at
their final locations. Purchasing all the right-of-way up front negates the advantages and disadvantages that
are based on right-of-way.
The determination as to which scheme is best for a given location
must be made based on the individual project circumstances of
budget, drainage issues, aesthetic goals, public input, etc.
5108.3 Design Review
5108.3.1 Deliverables
The process of designing a safe roundabout typically requires a considerable amount
of iteration because minor adjustments in geometry often have significant effects on
safety and operation, design elements are inter -related and have a collective effect
on vehicle paths and speeds, and achieving appropriate vehicle speeds is the most
critical safety objective. It is rare to produce an acceptable design on the first
attempt. For this reason, preliminary submittals for all proposed circular intersections
shall be a plan view of the intersection. The submittal shall be designed by a firm
approved to design roundabouts by ACHD. The list of firms approved to design
roundabouts will be a document available to the public. Preliminary submittal
deliverables include the following items:
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1. Traffic operation analysis summary
a. Include input parameter summary sheets and output tables as
necessary so analysis can be independently replicated.
2. 1:50 scale plan view including curbs and pavement markings
3. Swept path plots showing the design vehicle(s) making every
movement from each approach
4. Fastest path plots for every movement from each approach
a. Include a complete speed comparison table (an example
template is included below)
5. Natural path plots for every movement from each approach
6. AutoCAD compatible file of items 2,, 3, and 4 on CD
Before plat approval, right-of-way dedication or purchase, grading, or other details
are designed, it must be demonstrated to ACHD's satisfaction that the preliminary
roundabout design meets minimum standards for capacity and speed control, does
not cause path overlap or curb strikes,and can accommodate the design vehicle(s).
Subsequent submittals will include the following items:
1. Grading plans
a. Include a plan view showing cross slopes of the circulating
roadway and the entries and exits
b. A profile of the circulating roadway showing longitudinal slopes
c. A profile of each entry from the splitter island nose to the
downstream exit splitter island termination (at the minimum)
showing longitudinal slopes
2. Signing
3. Striping
4. Illumination
5. Drainage
6. Landscaping
a. A plan view showing landscaping areas that are height -
restricted to provide adequate sight distance
5108.4 Design Exceptions
Exceptions to this policy may be granted at ACHD's sole discretion and shall not be
considered until all impacts and consequences of the exception are clearly quantified
and documented to ACHD's satisfaction.
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5108.5 Checklist Assistant
Natural Paths
1. Has every movement from each lane on each i
approach been included?
2. Do the entry paths point vehicles toward their lane
in the circulating roadway, toward another lane, or -'
toward an island? t
3. If vehicles followed the lane and curb lines
precisely, would they be required to make any
sharp or sudden changes in direction or speed?
4. If that vehicle does not change its path sharply or
its speed suddenly would it strike a curb or overlap i t
an adjacent vehicle's path?
Fastest Paths
1. Has every movement from each approach been included?
2. Have the fastest paths been drawn by hand(or by an ACHD approved method if drawn by
computer)?
3. Are they offset 5 ft from curbs (or 3 ft from stripes if no curb) at the closest point?
4. Have consecutive paths been drawn to approximate the shortest travel time? (A driver
would not maximize entry speed if that would require a slower circulating speed.)
5. Have the speeds been measured at the slowest point on each of the paths and adjusted for
the super -elevation at that point?
6. Have the exit speeds been calculated both ways? (The circulating speed + acceleration will
control if it is slower than the speed determined by the exit radius. Acceleration is 7 ft/secz
for half the distance between the circulating speed location and the exit speed location)
7. Do any of the entry speeds exceed 20 mph (25 mph for multilane entries)?
8. Do any of the consecutive speeds differ by more than 6 mph (12 mph for multilane entries)?
9. Do any of the conflicting speeds differ by more than 6 mph (12 mph for multilane entries)?
Swept Paths
1. Has every movement, from everyapproach been included?
2. Have the appropriate design vehicles been used for each movement?
3. Is each path drawn the way a driver would actually drive it? (Long trucks will straddle both
lanes on the entry, circle, and exit of multilane roundabouts; cabs will not use truck aprons.)
4. Are all paths offset at least 2 ft from adjacent paths and 1 ft from roundabout curb, except
semi -truck trailers on truck aprons, at the closest point?
Grading
1. Are all lanes and truck aprons sloped toward the outside of the roundabout?
2. Are the slopes across the lanes (to the ends of the splitter islands) and truck aprons
between 1.5% and 2.5%?
3. Are the slopes in the direction of travel around the circle between 4% and +4%?
4. Does the transition from the approach roadway to the circulating roadway have any sudden
grade changes?
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ACRD Roundabout Design Guide
Fastest path example template for a standard 4 -leg single -lane roundabout (the arrows below
depict direction only, the actual fastest paths will overlap):
Eastbound Approach EB Conflicting Speed Comparison
R1 Enrad R1 (EB), R5 (EB), R2 (SB), R4 (WB), R4 (SB)
tr R4 LT R3Exit
R3min
R5 RT R2 (TH) R3acc Exit
EB Consecutive Speed Comparison
R1 (EB), R2 (EB), R3 (EB) R1 (EB), R4 (EB), R3 (NB)
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Northbound Approach NB Conflicting Speed Comparison
R1(Entry) R4 (LT) R3rad(Exit)
R1 (NB), R5 (NB), R2 (EB), R4 (SB), R4 (EB)
R3min NB Consecutive Speed Comparison
R5RT R2 TH R3acc Exit R1 (NB), R2 (NB), R3 (NB)
R1 (NB), R4 (NB), R3 (WB)
Westbound Approach
WB Conflicting Speed Comparison
R1 Ent R4 (LT) R3rad (Exit)
R1 (WB), R5 (WB), R2 (NB), R4 (EB), R4 (NB)
R3min
WB Consecutive Speed Comparison
R5 RT R2 (TH) R3acc Exit
R1 (WB), R2 (WB), R3 (WB)
R1 (WB), R4 (WB), R3 (SB)
Southbound Approach
SB nflictin Speed Comparison
R1 Ent!R4 LT R3rad(Exit)
R1 (SB), R5 (SB), R2 (WB), R4 (NB), R4 (WB)
R3rjn
SB Consecutive Speed Comparison
R5 RT R2 (TH) R3acc Exit
R1 (SB), R2 (SB), R3 (SB)
R1 (SB), R4 (SB), R3 (EB)
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5108 ROUNDABOUTS
5108.1 INTERSECTION CONTROL SELECTION
Roundabout traffic control shall be considered and evaluated as
an option if the intersection is being considered for improvement
for any of the following reasons:
• A capacity deficiency exists, and an all -way stop and/or
traffic signal volume warrant is met as defined in the
MUTCD;
• A safety deficiency exists; or,
• Unconventional geometry exists.
The alternatives analysis (potentially including other intersection
control types, such as signals and stop signs) should be the
decision-making tool used to determinewhether or not a
roundabout will be constructed, and the final discretion for all
intersection control decisions rests with ACHD.
5108.2 TRAFFIC OPERATIONS ANALYSIS
The latest edition of the Highway Capacity Manual shall be used
to conduct the traffic, analysis for all peak periods of the
intersection's construction year and design year(s). Additional
analytical or simulation tools may be required to supplement the
traffic analysis. The analysis tools shall be calibrated to match
either the latest edition of the Highway Capacity Manual or local
conditions as defined by the latest edition of the ACHD
Roundabout Design Guide.
5108.3 INTERSECTION CAPACITY ENHANCEMENT PHASING
In locations where a multilane roundabout will ultimately be
needed but is not needed for ten years or more, three possible
options to constructing the ultimate design shall be considered:
• Construct the ultimate design; or
• Construct an interim roundabout that will be replaced by
an ultimate roundabout in the future; or
• Construct an interim roundabout that is expandable
(inward or outward) to the ultimate roundabout in the
future.
The final discretion for which option is selected rests with ACHD.
If the expandable option is chosen, the ultimate roundabout
design must be approved before the interim roundabout is
designed. Interim roundabout designs must use curb to define
the outside of the travel way (i.e., striping alone is not
acceptable.)
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5108.4 DESIGN
5108.4.1 Number and Assignment of Lanes
The number of lanes and their assignment shall be
based upon a traffic operations analysis as defined by
the latest edition of the ACHD Roundabout Design
Guide. The design of multilane roundabouts shall be
such that vehicles do not change lanes within the
circulatory roadway.
5108.4.2 Curbs
Roundabout curb shall be used as depicted in the latest
edition of the ISPWC Standard Drawings - ACHD
Supplement. The outer curb 'shall extend at least as far
back from the circulatory roadway as the splitter islands.
5108.4.3 Vertical Alignment
The circulatory roadway and, approaches shall have
grades and cross slopes within the limits specified by the
latest edition of the ACHD Roundabout Design Guide.
Circulating; lanes shall not slope inward toward the
center island.
5108.4.4 Islands
All islands shall be dedicated to ACHD as part of the
intersection right-of-way. All fixed objects and
landscape features are subject to ACHD approval.
Splitter islands shall be long and wide enough to provide
acceptable pedestrian refuge areas, assist in sufficiently
controlling vehicle speeds through path deflection, and
reinforce one-way circulation, as defined by the latest
edition of the ACHD Roundabout Design Guide.
The center island shall not contain anything that attracts
pedestrians into the center island or that can be a
distraction to drivers. The islands shall be visible to
approaching traffic and provide a cue for traffic to slow
down and carefully navigate the intersection.
5108.4.5 Truck Aprons
Truck aprons are raised traversable areas used to
accommodate semi -trailer off -tracking while achieving
adequate deflection for all other vehicles.
As necessary, truck aprons shall be provided to
accommodate the design vehicle(s). Truck aprons shall
be a different color than the roadway surface and a
different color than all pedestrian facilities.
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5108.4.6 Fastest Paths
The fastest path is the path of least travel time made by
a passenger vehicle traversing through the roundabout
in the absence of other traffic and ignoring all lane
markings.
Vehicle fastest path speeds, intersecting fastest path
speed differences, and consecutive fastest path speed
differences shall not exceed the maximum limits set by
the latest edition of the ACHD Roundabout Design
Guide. Speeds shall be measured using the method
described in the latest edition of the FHWA Roundabout
Guide, implemented with the latest edition of ACHD's
fastest path CAD procedure.
5108.4.7 Natural Paths
The natural path of a passenger vehicle is a path that
can be comfortably followed at roundabout operating
speeds. It does not contain any abrupt changes in
direction. There is one natural path for each legal
movement in each lane.
Natural paths shall not encroach on each other or on
curbs as defined by the latest edition of the ACHD
n Roundabout Design Guide.
5108.4.8 Swept Paths'
A swept path is the space required to accommodate all
parts, of a design vehicle through a maneuver.
The clearance between curb lines and design vehicle
swept paths shall not violate the minimum requirements
of the latest edition of the ACHD Roundabout Design
Guide. In addition, swept paths shall be depicted as
defined by the latest edition of the ACHD Roundabout
Design Guide.
One design vehicle must be selected for each movement
to determine the minimum lane width(s) and one design
vehicle must be selected for each movement to
determine the truck apron width(s).
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5108.4.9 Pedestrian Facilities
Pedestrian refuge areas and crossing facilities shall
comply with the latest ADA requirements. Crosswalks
shall be located one or more passenger vehicle length(s)
away from the circulating lane, perpendicular to the
travel lanes or the roadway center line (in accordance
with latest edition of the ACHD Roundabout Design
Guide.)
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5108.4.10 Bicycle Facilities
All bike lanes and shoulders must be clearly terminated
prior to the crosswalk but close enough to the
intersection so experienced cyclists can merge with
vehicles traveling at similar speeds. A sidewalk ramp
(or curb opening to a shared -use path if a sidewalk is
not used) must be included at the termination point for
less experienced cyclists as identified in the latest
edition of the ACHD Roundabout Design Guide.
5108.4.11 Sight Distance, Landscaping, and Fixed Objects
Sufficient stopping sight distance shall be provided for
each approach, the circulatory roadway, and the
pedestrian ramps and landing areas if provided. In
addition, sufficient decision/intersection sight distance
shall be provided as defined by the latest edition of the
ACHD Roundabout Design Guide. Fastest path speeds
must be used to compute all sight distances.
Landscaping and fixed objects shall not restrict
appropriate sight distances and their placement shall
conform to standards as defined by the latest edition of
the ACRD Roundabout Design Guide.
5108.4.12 Signing and Striping''
All signing and striping must comply with the latest
edition of the ACHD Roundabout Design Guide and the
latest edition of the MUTCD.
5108.4.13 Illumination
Illumination is required at all roundabouts. It must
meet the latest ANSI lighting standards and be in
compliance with the latest edition of the ACHD
Roundabout Design Guide. Lighting must be distributed
to sufficiently cover all merge and diverge points, curb
noses, and pedestrian crossings. Lighting shall not be
centralized or located directly above the crosswalk.
5108.4.14 Access Control
Access at roundabouts shall be limited by and designed
in accordance with the latest edition of the ACHD
Roundabout Design Guide and ACHD Development Policy
Manual.
5108.5 SUBMITTAL AND REVIEW
The submittal for all proposed circular intersections shall include
a traffic operations analysis, intersection control alternatives
analysis, and a plan view of the intersection as specified in the
latest edition of the ACHD Roundabout Design Guide. The
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Page 4 of 5
submittal shall be designed by a firm approved to design
roundabouts by ACHD. The list of firms approved to design
roundabouts will be a document available to the public.
Before plat approval, right-of-way dedication or purchase,
grading, or other details are designed, the designer must
demonstrate to ACHD's satisfaction that the roundabout design
meets the standards set forth in the latest edition of the ACHD
Roundabout Design Guide. The design shall provide appropriate
capacity and speed control, not cause path overlap or curb
strikes, and must accommodate all anticipated users (the design
vehicle(s), pedestrians, and bicyclists);,per ACHD's standards.
5108.6 DESIGN EXCEPTIONS
Exceptions to this policy may be granted at ACHD's sole
discretion and shall not be considered until all impacts and
consequences of the exception are clearlyquantified and
documented to ACHD's satisfaction.
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April 28, 2010
Dear Mayor and Council,
Sherry R. Huber — President
Rebecca W. Arnold — Vice President
John S. Franden, Commissioner
Carol A. McKee, Commissioner
Sara M. Baker, Commissioner
Thank you for providing time on your agenda for a presentation of the draft, ACHD Roundabout Policy.
In 2006 ACHD contracted with a consultant to develop a roundabout policy and guidelines. The consultant
worked with a committee of 17 stakeholders representing various concerns and interests so that those could
be adequately considered in the direction that ACHD takes with roundabouts.
Since the initial policy work, the draft policy has been a work in progress. The state of the practice in the U.S.
for roundabout design and traffic operation analysis has been evolving, largely due to the completion of a
major research project in 2007, and those results are being incorporated into national publications. ACHD
coincidentally has hired several individuals with expertise in roundabout planning and design in the last few
years. The current draft has the benefit of the national research, our experience with the draft guidelines, the
new staff expertise, and the development of a methodology for performing a consistent review procedure.
Many of the roundabouts built in this country have had design deficiencies of one type or another and it was
our desire to develop a product that we can use with confidence.
The policy outlines components critical to our roundabout selection and design process. The intent of the
roundabout policy is that it would rarely require a change. In contrast, the design guide reflects current
practice and supplements the policy with technical information and guidelines. The design guide is more
likely to change with experience and improvement of practices nationally and locally.
The presentation will include the background on roundabouts as well as the issues and benefits that we see
in their use in Ada County. An area of specific relevance to the platting process is the requirement for a
preliminary roundabout design to be approved prior to plat approval, right of way dedication or purchase,
and grading.
Comments on both the Draft Policy and the Draft Guidelines are welcomed and will be considered before
presenting the two documents to the ACHD Commission for approval this summer. I would appreciate any
comments by June 15, 2010.
Sincerely,
Terry Little
Traffic Services Manager
ACHD
cc: ACHD Commissioners
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MEETING AGENDA
AMENDED AGENDA
Tuesday, May 04, 2010 at 7:00 PM
Call to Order at 7:07 p.m.
1. Roll -Call Attendance
X David Zaremba X Brad Hoaglun
X Charlie Rountree X Keith Bird
X Mayor Tammy de Weerd
2. Pledge of Allegiance by Sydney Madsen
3. Community Invocation by Stephanie Moore with Ten Mile Christian
Church
4. Adoption of the Agenda Adopted
5. Presentations
A. Swearing -In and Pinning Ceremony for New Fire Chief - Mark
Niemeyer
B. Plaque Presentation to Meridian City Council and Mayor
De Weerd by the Muscular Dystrophy Association for Their
Support of the Fill the Boot Event
6. Proclamation
A. Building Safety Month Proclamation
7. Consent Agenda Approved
A. April 13, 2010 City Council Workshop Meeting Minutes
B. New Beer and Wine License Application for Brewtopia Beer
Market Inc. dba Brewforia Beer Market Located at 3030 W.
Overland Rd., Suite 100
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please contact the City Clerk's Office at 888-4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting.
C. Approval of Beer and Wine License Renewal for Groove Coffee
Located at 1800 N. Locust Grove Rd.
D. Sanitary Sewer Main Easement for Diamond View Assisted
Living
E. Acceptance Agreement for Display of Artwork in Initial Point
Gallery with Roger Lyngaas
8. Community Items
A. Annual Assessment Briefing from Robert McQuade
B. Golf Course Update by Jerry Breaux and Erik Oaas
9. Items Moved From Consent Agenda None
10. Action Items
A. Public Hearing: Sanitary Services Company 2010 Proposed
Fee Schedule Motion Made to Approve the Proposed Fee
Schedule — Motion Passed
11. Department Reports
A. Resolution No. 10-722: A Resolution of the Mayor and City
Council of the City of Meridian Re -Appointing Steve Turney to
Seat 1, Walter Lindgren to Seat 2, Frank Thomason to Seat 3,
and Tom Hammond to Seat 4 of the Meridian Historic
Preservation Commission Approved
B. Public Works Department: Verbal Request from Ron Carroll,
at 1822 E. Bluetick Street, to Connect a Private Well to his
House as an Alternative Water Source Motion Made to Deny
the Request: Request Denied. Staff Will Work with the
Requestor on the Existing External Well. Existing Well Will
Not Connect to the Property's Internal Residential Water
System Preventing an Alternative Water Source
12. Amended onto the Agenda:
Executive Session per Idaho State Code 67-2345 (1) (c) - To Conduct
Deliberations Concerning Labor Negotiations or to Acquire an
Interest in Real Property, Which is not Owned by a Public Agency
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please contact the City Clerk's Office at 888-4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting.
Into Executive Session: 9:58 p.m.
Out of Executive Session: 11:04 p.m.
Meeting Adjourned: 11:05 p.m.
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Charlie Rountree X Keith Bird
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5. Presentations
A. Swearing -In and Pinning Ceremony for New Fire Chief - Mark
Niemeyer ✓
B. Plaque Presentation to Meridian City Council and Mayor
De Weerd by the Muscular Dystrophy Association for Their
Support of the Fill the Boot Event ✓
6. Proclamation
A. Building Ser ices Safety Month Proclamation
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A. April 13, 2010 City Council Workshop Meeting Minutes
B. New Beer and Wine License Application for Brewtopia Beer
Market Inc. dba Brewforia Beer Market Located at 3030 W.
Overland Rd., Suite 100
C. Approval of Beer and Wine License Renewal for Groove Coffee
Located at 1800 N. Locust Grove Rd.
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please contact the City Clerk's Office at 888-4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting.
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Living
E. Acceptance Agreement for Display of Artwork in Initial Point
Gallery with Roger Lyngaas
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A. Annual Assessment Briefing from Robert McQuade
B. Golf Course Update by Jerry Breaux and Erik Oaas
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to Seat 3 and Tom Hammond to Seat 4 of the Meridian Historic
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at 1822 E. Bluetick Street, to Connect a Private Well to his
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Meridian City Council Meeting May 4, 2010
A Pre -Council meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order at 7:07 p.m.,
Tuesday, May 4, 2010, by Mayor Tammy de Weerd.
Members Present: Mayor Tammy de Weerd, President David Zaremba, Charlie
Rountree, Keith Bird, and Brad Hoaglun.
Others Present: Bill Nary, Jacy Jones, Anna Canning, John Overton, Mark Niemeyer,
Tom Barry, Kyle Radek, Bruce Freckleton, and Dean Willis.
Item 1: Roll -call Attendance:
Roll call.
X David Zaremba X Brad Hoaglun
X Charlie Rountree X Keith Bird
X Mayor Tammy de Weerd
De Weerd: Well, good evening and welcome to the City Council meeting. This is our
regular meeting and for the record it is Tuesday, May 4th. It's 7:00 -- 7:07. We will start
tonight's meeting with roll call attendance, Madam Clerk.
Item 2: Pledge of Allegiance by Sydney Madsen.
De Weerd: Item No. 2 is the Pledge of Allegiance. Tonight we will be led in the pledge
by Sidney Madsen. If you will all rise and join us in the pledge.
(Pledge of Allegiance recited.)
De Weerd: Sidney, I would like to give you a City of Meridian pin. Did your brother get
one last week?
Rountree: Yes, he did. And he got a candy bar.
Bird: He got a candy bar, too. Give her a candy bar.
De Weerd: Well --
Item 3: Community Invocation by Stephanie Moore with Ten Mile Christian
Church.
De Weerd: Item No. 3 is our community invocation. Is Stephanie here? We will be led
tonight by Stephanie Moore with Ten Mile Christian Church. If you will all join us in the
community invocation or take this as an opportunity for a moment of reflection. Thank
you for joining us.
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Moore: Let's pray. Our god, we honor you this evening. Just as we heard in our
pledge to our country, we also honor you with our presence here and we thank you for
your presence as well. We ask that in this meeting you would guide our leaders and our
community members, so that our community would honor one another and honor you
and become a place, even more so than it is now, that we all desire to live in. We bless
-- ask you to bless this meeting at this time in Jesus' name we pray, amen.
Item 4: Adoption of the Agenda.
De Weerd: Thank you. Item No. 4 is adoption of agenda.
Hoaglun: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: On the agenda tonight a couple of items to note. Under Proclamations, Item
6, that proclamation you will be giving is Building Safety Month proclamation. I think
some of the agendas said Building Services, but that his Building Safety Month
proclamation that you will be reading shortly. And, then, under Department Reports,
Item 11, that resolution number is resolution number 10-722. Also we want to add an
Item 12 and that is an Executive Session per Idaho Code 67-2345(1)(c). And with that,
Madam Mayor, I move adoption of the agenda.
Zaremba: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and second to adopt the agenda as amended. All those in
favor say aye. All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Item 5: Presentations.
A. Swearing -In and Pinning Ceremony for New Fire Chief - Mark
Niemeyer
De Weerd: Item 5 are Presentations. Tonight I have the privilege to swear in our new
fire chief and so while I move down to the floor, if you will, please, join me, Chief
Niemeyer. Are you sure about this? I usually ask that when I perform marriage
ceremonies, so thought I would do it in this case, too, because it's like a marriage. Well,
if you will raise your right hand and repeat after me. I, Mark Niemeyer, do solemnly
swear, that I will support the Constitution of the United States, the Constitution of the
State of Idaho, and the laws and ordinances of the City of Meridian, Idaho, and that I will
be -- and that I will, to the best of my ability, faithfully perform the duties of the office of
fire chief for the City of Meridian, Idaho, during my continuance therein, so help me
God.
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May 4, 2010
Page 3 of 52
(Repeated by Mark Niemeyer.)
De Weerd: Thank you. Congratulations. Chief, I will ask if you would like to say a few
words and introduce your guests.
Niemeyer: Madam Mayor, Members of Council, again, I want to thank you for this
incredible opportunity. I am very honored, very humbled, and very gratified to be a part
of this city, to be a part of the staff that I'm joining, certainly to be a part of the men and
women of the fire department. I know that I couldn't be here today without the support
of my family. To my wife Cheryl. I couldn't have done it without you and I love you and
I appreciate your support. My daughter Halley. She had to remind me. I was telling the
Mayor Sunday she said, dad, have a great day at work tomorrow and it hadn't clicked
yet and I said, okay, no problem, honey. And I said what's tomorrow and she says duh.
First day on the job. So, to my daughter and my son, who can't be here, he was right in
the middle of a baseball game and they were getting whomped pretty bad, so I don't
think the coach was going to -- going to let him leave. And I'm very honored to have my
mom here tonight with me. I can just tell you I know dad's proud and that means a lot.
So, thank you. And to the members of the public, I would -- I would hope that you have
the opportunity to meet the men and women behind you. They are some of the most
incredible people that I have had the opportunity to work with and certainly the Boy
Scouts and the Cub Scouts, I hope you have a chance to meet some of our firefighters,
because they are amazing people. So, with that I thank you all.
De Weerd: Well, thank you, chief. Since you survived our first director's meeting, I
guess you have been initiated. Thank you for being here and thanks to your family for
joining us. We appreciate you sharing him with us and, hopefully, you're not cursing at
us after awhile. But we appreciate having him on board. Item No. 5 -- oh, Council, did
you have any comment?
Zaremba: Just congratulations.
De Weerd: Congratulations and welcome. I will say that Chief Niemeyer was at our
Mayor's Anti-drug Coalition town hall meeting yesterday and he was on -- on the site of
John Humphries that provided testimony who got in an accident drunk driving, he was
the drunk driver, he caused a fatality, and Mark was one of the first responders on site
and I will tell you he -- he proudly presented -- represented our community and the
department and I'm very grateful for the work that you shared with the families last night.
So, thank you for doing that.
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: We all got to welcome Mark and congratulate him last week, but I want to
welcome Cheryl and Halley to the Meridian family and we are really glad to have you.
Thanks for being here.
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Bird: Thank you.
B. Plaque Presentation to Meridian City Council and Mayor
De Weerd by the Muscular Dystrophy Association for Their
Support of the Fill the Boot Event
De Weerd: Now, our next Item, 5-13, is a plaque presentation to the Meridian City
Council and Mayor by the Muscular Dystrophy Association for their Fill The Boot event.
Lewis: Well, thank you so much, Mayor and City Council, for having us here today. My
name is Stephanie Lewis and I'm executive director of the Snake River Chapter of the
Muscular Dystrophy Association and we are here to thank you guys for your support of
the firefighters Fill The Boot program. Firefighters nationally and in southern Idaho are
the single largest contributor and help us provide help and hope to families affected by
one of 40 neuromuscular diseases and Meridian Fire Local 4627 consistently ranks
among the top three departments in the state for total dollars raised and that's thanks to
their selfless giving. Of course, the giving of the community of Meridian and to you guys
for supporting our efforts and being out in the road for our annual drive. I'm joined by
Jessica Ross and her dad Wayne and mom Michelle. They have just a quick word for
you and, then, we would like to present you with a thank you gift.
Ross: I have been prompted to talk. She was going to say thank you, but -- this year
one of the things that the Fill The Boot goes to is the summer camp up in McCall and
this is going to be Jessica's first opportunity to go and are you excited about that? A
little bit? Yeah. So, we just wanted to stop by and say our thanks as well for all of the
continued support, because the things that the -- these monies go to are really helpful to
all the families in Meridian who are dealing with these diseases, so we just wanted to
say thank you.
Lewis: So, if I can convince Jessica. We do have a plaque for both Mayor Tammy de
Weerd and the Meridian City Council in thanks for your support of the 2009 Fill The
Boot which raised 23,077 dollars. Thank you.
Zaremba: Let me read what it says. It says MDA. In appreciation to the Meridian City
Council in support of the 2009 firefighter Fill The Boot program, 23,077 dollars raised for
local families. Thank you. And I have to say several of the years I have -- I have gone
out on the street with the firefighters and held a boot. It is very gratifying not only to see
the joy with which people give to this program -- and people pull up, they stop, they pull
out their ash tray and dump all of their change into the boot. Some people are able to
contribute dollar bills, but -- this 23,000 dollars is built up of dimes and nickels and
single dollars. A lot of people giving -- joyously giving, always say wonderful things
about the firefighters as well as they are doing it, but it's really a pleasure to receive this
plaque and it's a good program and we will continue with it I'm sure. Thank you.
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De Weerd: Thank you, Mr. Zaremba. And thank you for being here with us. What I
would like to do is ask Chris Verkerk if you would like to come up here. Chris is the
energy and passion behind the Fill The Boot program and I would like to welcome him,
his passion, his efforts and maybe see if Chris wants to say a few words, because I
know this has a very deep meaning in his heart and I want to make sure you know the
real passion behind this -- this program. So, thank you for joining us and, Chris, would
you like to say a few words?
Verkerk: Thanks for putting me on the spot. I didn't know this was going on tonight, so
just -- it is quite a surprise to me. I just want to thank this Council and the departments
for your support. Thanks, Councilman Zaremba, for coming out and supporting us.
Those duties are now with firefighter Derrek Nelson. He has taken those duties on and
he's doing a great job with that. I still support the program a hundred percent and,
hopefully, I'll get to come and see your daughter at camp this year, so you can look
forward to some great individuals being at camp and taking care of your family while
they are there. So, thank you.
Hoaglun: Madam Mayor, while they are sitting down, I might add, this is what Chief
Niemeyer was talking about when he talked about our firefighters being extraordinary
individuals and people. They -- they are professionals, they do a great job. If you need
them for a fire or an accident, they are going to be there, they are going to do a fantastic
job, but they are also more than that. They are invested in this community and that's
something that they really give a lot of their time and energy back to the citizens of this
community and we really thank them for that. So, we are blessed.
Item 6: Proclamation.
A. Building Safety Month Proclamation
De Weerd: Okay. Item No. 6 is a proclamation. This month is Public Works Month and
this is one -- one of the events part of the entire month and I do have a proclamation to
read. Whereas the City of Meridian works to insure structures in the community are
safe, energy efficient, and sustainable, providing citizens confidence in our built
environment and whereas confidence is achieved due to the efforts of our building
safety, fire prevention officials, architects, engineers, builders and others in the
construction industry who work year around to insure the safe construction of buildings
and whereas the City of Meridian uses the International Fire Code, the most widely
adopted building safety, energy, and fire prevention codes in the nation and whereas
dedicated members of the International Code Council develop and implement the
highest quality codes to protect our community and the buildings where we live, work,
and raise our families and whereas Building Safety month reminds the public about the
critical role of our community's dedicated local code officials who assure us of safe,
efficient, and livable buildings. Therefore, I, Mayor Tammy de Weerd, of the City of
Meridian, do hereby proclaim May 2010 as Building Safety Month and call upon all the
people of the City of Meridian to join the fellow citizens across the United States in
recognizing and participating in the special observance and it is dated the 4th day of
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May. I would ask Bruce Freckleton if he would like to come up and accept this
proclamation and make any comments if he would like to. Bruce.
Freckleton: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, I just want to thank you for the
support on this. The month of May, as you mentioned, is the Building Safety Month. It's
sponsored through the International Code Council, which are the codes that we have
adopted, as you mentioned. Each week there are core themes that we are highlighting
in the department. We invite you to stop in and take a look and we have got lots of
handouts and brochures for each week for the themes. We do plan on doing
presentations on the plaza the week -- or, excuse me, on May 18th, which is the Public
Works event that we are having out on the plaza. So, thank you for your support and
that's it.
De Weerd: Thank you, Bruce. And it's nice to see you upright. Bruce just had back
surgery two weeks ago and I would like to announce that I am a grandmother as of 4:22
this afternoon. So, again, this is number two, although I do have six bonus grandkids as
well. So, I am not a veteran yet, but if I'm glowing that's why.
Item 5: Consent Agenda.
A. April 13, 2010 City Council Workshop Meeting Minutes
B. New Beer and Wine License Application for Brewtopia Beer
Market Inc. dba Brewforia Beer Market Located at 3030 W.
Overland Rd., Suite 100
C. Approval of Beer and Wine License Renewal for Groove Coffee
Located at 1800 N. Locust Grove Rd.
D. Sanitary Sewer Main Easement for Diamond View Assisted
Living
E. Acceptance Agreement for Display of Artwork in Initial Point
Gallery with Roger Lyngaas
De Weerd: Okay. Our next item is our Consent Agenda.
Hoaglun: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: On the Consent Agenda under Item 11-A, that resolution number is 10-722
and also want -- I'm sorry. Actually, we have nothing to add to the Consent Agenda,
believe it or not, for a change. I was looking down too far. Anyway, Madam Mayor, with
that on the Consent Agenda, I move we approve the Consent Agenda and authorize
you to sign and the clerk to attest.
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Zaremba: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to approve the Consent Agenda. If there are
no comments, we will ask for roll call, please.
Roll -Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, yea; Zaremba, yea; Hoaglun, yea.
De Weerd: All ayes. Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Item 8: Community Items.
A. Annual Assessment Briefing from Robert McQuade
De Weerd: Item 8 are our Community Items. We will start with Item 8-A, our Annual
Assessment Briefing from Mr. McQuade. Thank you for joining us.
McQuade: Which microphone do I use?
De Weerd: You can take your choice.
McQuade: It looks like an octopus sitting back, all these things just sticking up, you're
afraid they are just going to wrap around you.
De Weerd: Well, if you don't watch out and if you don't tell us the right thing, it might
grab you.
McQuade: I will be on my best behavior I assure you. First of all, I want to thank you
for letting me speak at 7:20 this evening. A couple of weeks ago I went over to -- or it's
about 7:30. 1 went over to another community and they had not gotten me on the
agenda, so they had to amend the agenda. I actually didn't get to speak until 20
minutes to 9:00 and had to drive a long way home. I didn't get home until about 9:20
that night, so I really appreciate you giving me this opportunity to speak at an earlier
time. You know, last year when I was here I remember I couldn't get out of here fast
enough, because the news wasn't that good. Well, tell you what, it's not any better.
really don't see any end in sight right now either, although I think we are getting close to
the bottom. But I haven't seen any real empirical evidence and I heard a report the
other day that said we have got another year to go before we see the housing market
flatten out, but I still feel that we have got to be getting close to that. Well, we are
sending out 186,000 assessment notices May 25th -- 21st, excuse me. That's when
those are going out. And 35,000 of those are to the citizens in Meridian. One thing 1
have always thought it was clear, but I found out it's not really clear, and that is these
values are a snap shot in time and that is as of January 1 st. When we get into May and
to June, values have changed and people don't understand how the value could be so
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high, because they are looking at it in June. As of the first three months of this year we
-- on single family residential we have already seen the values decline nine percent.
That's three percent a month. That's just amazing. And, again, when we send out the
assessment notices people are going to think that we are over -assessing, but we all
need to keep in mind that this is a snap shot in time, January 1 st, and I feel that we did
really a good job of our values. The state tests the quality of our work with an analysis
called a ratio analysis. If we were assessing perfect to the sale price, our assessment
ratio would be one hundred percent. If we are less than -- now, these are on sales of
over 5,000 parcels. If we are less than a hundred percent, then, we are slightly under
assessing. If it's over a hundred percent, say it's a 105 percent, then we are over
assessing by five percent. Our ratio for last year was 97 and a half percent. So, we are
slightly under assessing and I'm just really proud of my appraisal staff for that, because,
you know, with market decreasing the way it was the previous year, I think they just did
a great job of keeping up with it and I'm sure we are going to have -- have the same
results again this year. Last year I tried warning people that decreased assessments
would not necessarily translate into decreased tax bills and that really was the case in
Boise city. If you saw a decrease that was less than eight percent, so if you saw five
percent or six percent decrease in taxes, you actually saw an increase in your tax bill,
even though assessments went down, because the -- in Boise city our median decrease
is about 12 percent, but the levy went up 15 percent. So, that pretty well gets washed
out, any decrease in value. And some people did see tax decreases. This year I think
it's going to be different. We are going to see -- and many are going to find out. We are
going to be seeing values continue to decrease, but I really do feel that a lot of the
governments really are going to feel that they got to bite the bullet, they just can't keep
raising the levy's to offset the decrease and that's just my guess. I think that's what's
going to happen at Ada county, we are going to be feeling the pain. We really didn't --
last year we made cuts and we did a good job, but it wasn't really painful. We are
putting our budgets together right now. It's what was done, we have not even gone to
the county commissioners yet. So, I think this is really going to be the year that's going
to be difficult, at least at the county. With that let me get started with the -- with the
report. Clearly market value in Meridian was 6.4 billion dollars and that's the value
before the exemptions are in place. That's 6.4 billion. That's about a nine percent
decrease from last year and the news just keeps getting worse in my report, so just bear
with me. The taxable value is 4.8 billion and that's off ten percent and the homeowners
exemption this year was 101,000 and the year before it was 104,000. It was 101,000
this year. I really got a feeling it's going to be maybe at 97, 98 thousand next year. The
tax commission will make that determination once they have got the data, but it's
certainly going to be less than 101,000 as values go down, the homeowners exemption
will go down, too. On the residential side, you have 30,700 parcels and that's up just a
little bit. It's up five -- about a half a percent over the previous year and all of the
different taxing authorities in the county are experiencing the same thing on new
parcels. There is not a lot of growth, it's just -- it's fairly slack. The market value is 4.3
billion on single family residential and that's off 13 percent from the previous year.
Median decrease. This is the most telling and probably the most important to -- to the
people who vote for you and who vote for me -- is the median change on existing
residential, that's off 15 percent herein the City of Meridian. That ranges -- MLS as is --
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throughout the county ranges anywhere from 12 percent to almost 30 percent decrease.
I just got a chance to take a look. Our values, we are still working on them, they are
going to change a little bit. But we got some pretty steep decreases. The commercial
you got 4,300 accounts. That's up about five -- or five percent decrease. Not all the
personal property is in yet, so we will see more personal property parcels and more -- a
little bit higher personal property values. We had an appraiser who had a pretty serious
health issue, one of our personal property appraisers, she did miss about six weeks of
work. We are getting caught up. All this work will be done in time to close out the
assessment roll in two weeks, but the -- the commercial value is down a little bit.
Commercial value right now is -- well, it's actually up about about two percent. I think it
will be up a little bit more, but existing commercial is off seven percent and that's --
around ten -- it's between five and ten percent decrease on commercial. Now, this is
really a new piece of information and it's an important piece of information. As the new
construction -- the way the new construction works is the city, the county, we all get to
increase our budget three percent of the prior year if we want to, the three percent of
the prior year, plus it was called the new construction component and that is where we
take the value of new construction from the previous year and we multiply it times last
year's levy and it's a dollar amount, we get to add that dollar amount to the budget.
Well, this year the legislature changed how the new construction is calculated. Let's
take, for example, if there -- if someone had a -- had a large parcel, say a ten acre
parcel that was in ag and five years ago he subdivided -- he subdivided that. They
didn't do any real improvements, but just platted it for development, we would value that
as development ground, taking the ag exemption away. The difference between the ag
exemption was maybe a thousand an acre up to a development cost is -- goes into the
new construction roll. This year the legislature said that if it goes back into ag land we
have to decrease the new construction rolls by that amount. That's new. And because
of that we really haven't completed the new construction roll yet, because we are
scrambling trying to make this law work. The way the law is written, if this happened ten
years ago, we have got to go back. Say if it was added new construction ten years, we
have got to go back to that ten years. We don't really have as good records that far
back, so we are just having to go back as far as we have got the data. We are hoping
that the legislature will address this next year and say within the last three years or
something to that effect. But, anyway, there is that piece of the new construction and
it's important. It probably will go down a little bit more than where it is right now, but
new construction is 143 million dollars. So, you can take last year's levy times that 143
million and that's what you can add to your budget. That's down 44 percent over last
year's 265 million. Now, how does that stack up to 2007 when things were really robust.
In 2007 1 reported to you that you had a 680 million dollar new construction roll. So,
your new construction was 80 percent this year of what it was in 2007. And I'm not
going to get -- to go into those, the residential and commercial, I have got the numbers,
I'll give those to the city clerk before I leave and you can have those. The last thing I
wanted to end up with is just, again, to put things in perspective through MLS numbers.
In August of 2006, that's when MLS reported the highest median sales price of single
family residential and that was 242,000 dollars. And that was off of 2006. Market this
year, March of 2010, the median sales price, a single family residential, was 156,000
dollars. Let's say since 1968 we know real estate has appreciated at about five percent
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a year. If it goes back to that -- remember, two years ago we had 20 percent
appreciation in real estate, and 15 the year before that, but the normal since 1968 is five
percent. It will be nine years before we get back to that 242,000 dollars. Anything can
happen. You know, you could go back to see another 20 percent or another 15 percent,
but if it would go back to the norm, again, it would be nine years from today. So, that's
2006, that's another four years. So, it could be 15 years from the peak of 2006 to when
we get back to that again. I just -- to me that just really kind of puts everything in
perspective. Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, that's what I have got to tell you.
Again, I'll try to run as quickly as I can, because it's not good news, and I'm hoping that
next year the news might be better. But I hope that this is something that you can work
with and I've got copies of this and I'll give it to the city clerk and she can make that
available. Any questions?
De Weerd: Council?
Rountree: No questions, but maybe next year we can get you on at 9:30 and the news
will be better.
McQuade: I'll tell you, I hope I can. I really do. Because it's -- you know, to me, if I can
just really -- one anecdote. Three years ago the Board of Equalization -- and there is
one person -- I don't know their name, but I'm really glad that they got caught in this. It
was some kid that was about 28 years old, had a 1.4 million dollar house. We had a
discussion at one point -- at 28, 29 years old a one and a half million dollar house. He
got that house from construction, building these big mansions. So, the people are,
okay, so on the other hand, there are a lot of people -- a lot of people, young married
couples, 26, 27 years old, that bought their first house in 2007, trying to be very
conservative, a 225,000 dollar house. Doing things the way they are supposed to be
doing it and today that house is worth maybe 150,000, 140,000. Those are the people
that I really feel sorry for and there have been a lot of people that have been hurt -- hurt
by this, so I hope it turns around.
Hoaglun: Madam Mayor, a quick question for Bob. So, is it -- what's driving the rates
down, is it the forecloses, the short sales, is there some -- is it the amount of housing on
the market that banks are having to turn out there and sell and --
McQuade: It's the short sales are pulling it down. The foreclosures are pulling it down.
don't know if it's this way this year, but up until this year it was the land that was just
imploding. A 250,000 -- a lot that would have brought 250,000 dollars in 2007, they
were asking 50,000 for that last year and they would sell it, you know, for 40,000 if they
could. A hundred thousand dollar lot, which was a pretty typical price in the 70s -- or
not 70s. Well, in 2007. A hundred thousand was fairly typical. Those lots today are
going for 20,000, 19,000. So, it has been the land is where we have really seen the big
-- the big decrease. Again, I don't know if that's what brought it down this much this
year, but that's what's really been driving it. You know, foreclosures, short sales, are
certainly a part of the equation.
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De Weerd: Anything further from Council?
Bird: Thank you, Bob.
Rountree: Thanks, Bob.
De Weerd: Thank you for being here.
McQuade: All right. Well, next year I'll do my best to bring you good news.
B. Golf Course Update by Jerry Breaux and Erik Oaas
De Weerd: Thank you. Item No. 8-13 is our golf course update. Erik. Gary. Clint.
David. Thank you for being here.
Oaas: Madam Mayor, Erik Oaas, 519 West Front, Boise. And I'm going to introduce
these fine gentlemen here in just a minute or two, but -- but before I do that I just
wanted -- Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, I just wanted to, first of all, thank you
for inviting us to come and speak with you tonight. We have some important things to
talk about to you, about changes at the golf course, and -- and from our -- from my
perspective as the representative of the lessee, we -- we would like to come back and
speak to the City Council again in a couple of months in a more extensive manner to
talk more about long-term plans and where we are headed. But -- but we felt it was
important tonight and we appreciate you putting us on the agenda, because there are
some changes that -- that in the interim it's -- it's important for us to -- you know, to talk
to you about and there are a couple of items that we would like to have you -- you
consider and give us your -- your consent of. For the past several years, as you know,
at the golf course we have undertaken a number of changes and most of those I think
you're pretty well aware of, but those changes have included new tee boxes, new
greens, significant improvements in the clubhouse and -- and the restaurant area, but,
quite frankly, we are ready -- we are really ready to sort of take this to the next level
and, quite honestly, we felt that we had sort of stalled out a little bit and -- and so we felt
that it was -- it was time for -- really appropriate for some changes. There were some
issues that came up that, quite frankly, I'm not at liberty to discuss in an open meeting.
If Council wanted to go into an Executive Session and invite me to come and speak
about personnel related issues, I would be more than happy to do so. But suffice it to
say that we felt that there were some -- some changes that were necessary to make
and as part of that it -- it does give us an opportunity to take a step back and really take
the golf course, as I said, to a -- to a next level. As a major part of this plan we have
engaged with a firm here in the valley called Raven Golf Services. Now, Raven Golf
Services is a very well known and well respected golf course management organization
that's headed up by two principals, Jerry Breaux and Clint Travis and -- and I will have
them speak to you directly here in just a minute or two. Raven Golf Services, for those
of you who have not heard of them, they are responsible for the golf course
management at Banbury. They also manage the Osprey Meadows Golf Course at
Tamarak. They manage the Meadow Creek golf course at Meadow Creek. They
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manage the Teton Reserve Golf Course over in Victor, Idaho. And now we at the Lake
View -- at Lake View Golf Course are pleased to be -- to be part of their management
family as well. They have -- they have certainly demonstrated over their many, many
years of experience how well they can do and have proven to do in their management
skills of all these wonderful golf courses. Now, there are, really, two objectives that we
have tonight. First is to introduce these -- these gentlemen to you, who I have had the
pleasure of getting to know over the last couple of months and -- and over the last two
weeks they have sort of had -- it's sort have been the -- where the rubber hits the road,
if you will. There -- we had a major transition in bringing them in and I can't tell you how
impressed I have been of them and their organization and the way in which they
handled this transition and their ability to roll up their sleeves and get in and get their
hands dirty and really get the job done. The second objective that -- that we have
tonight is to talk about a couple of changes that we have made at the golf course that
may have -- that may have caused some -- you know, some exposure to you at City
Council as it relates to some changes -- some immediate changes that we -- that we
have planned for a small portion of the landscaping and the change on the -- on the first
hole. In all instances the changes that we have made are intended to, number one,
improve the golf course's rating, improve -- number two, improve it's playability. And,
three, and even most importantly is the safety for those who are on the course and
those who are living in homes that border the course. So, with that, as I indicated, we
would like to be invited back in a couple of months to talk about, really, in more detail
about the long-term vision and with that I'm going to introduce the gentlemen and have
them walk through with you their philosophy on golf course management and some of
the things that they have seen at Lake View and some of the things that they -- they see
that may need some -- some immediate attention, one of which I think we all are aware
of, the disappearing of some very prominent piles of dirt that bordered the first -- the first
hole that we are -- sort of the first thing that you saw when you drove into the parking
lot. So, with that I'm going to introduce Jerry Breaux and Clint Travis. Jerry.
De Weerd: Thank you, Erik.
Breaux: Mayor, congratulations on your next grandchild.
De Weerd: Thank you.
Breaux: And Clint and I, not only are we in the golf business, we are the tallest
management team in the United States. We have that going for us and we are from
Boise, Idaho. We are really excited to be at Lake View. We both have -- probably
because of our age, but we have 75 years -- or 70 years of experience in the golf
business. We are both family guys. We care a lot about the direction of golf. We know
that golf can be used as a wonderful tool for kids and for adults. It's a game you can
play from the time you're five years old until you're 85 years old, like Erik. Oh, no,
you're not that old. So, we care a lot about golf and we have tried to incorporate as
much junior golf in the golf courses that we have operated. Clint and I were the golf
professional and the superintendent at Hillcrest Country Club. I was there for almost 20
years and Clint was there for ten years where we worked with the PGA tour, with
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bringing the Boise open to the Treasure Valley and we have always had kids kind of in
our eyesight, even at Hillcrest Country Club, where they didn't really favor kids like we
did. But we try to do that at all of our golf courses. One of the issues I think that Erik
was talking about was the driving range -- we saw that the driving range was a little
short for the current golf clubs and golf balls that are being played right now. So, the
first days I was there I had a call from a lady at the far end of the driving range and she
was complaining about she had had golf balls hit over that 35 or 40 foot fence and they
have gone into her house and being grandparents we are very concerned with having a
little grandchild in the backyard or somebody out there and we just felt like it was a real
good idea in this current situation to not allow drivers on the driving range. There is only
a few people out of a hundred that could possibly hit it over that fence, but it doesn't
take very many, it just takes one person. So, we just put signs immediately on the
driving range that said, you know, please, no drivers and it did say, please, but we did
have a few people that were complaining about the fact that they couldn't hit their
drivers on the driving range and it's -- it goes from the west to the east, so that's
normally down wind, so we knew that that would probably be an issue and we didn't feel
like being new employers there, that we didn't want to hire a security guard to sit in the
driving range for 14 hours a day. The other -- I guess the other issue was Clint and I
both have been over to watch -- I watched his kids play there and I have watched -- my
kids grew up in the Boise area and my son and daughter both played in tournaments at
the old Cherry Lane, but now Lake View, and we have seen that pile of dirt grow over
the years from five, six, seven years ago it's gotten actually bigger and so I told Erik
when we first got over there I said those things drive Clint crazy. If it's backed in behind
a building it's not too bad, but if it's the first thing you see as soon as you drive up, that's
one of his buttons and, sure enough, a couple days after we were there Clint had a
tractor out there and we were moving some dirt -- or he was moving some dirt himself
trying to smooth that area out and trying to make it look better as soon as you drive into
Lake View. I guess there was another issue about a tree that was right by the cart path
-- a forward tee and that tree has already kind of torn up part of that cart path.
Travis: But it's -- right. It's starting to kind of tear it and we can bring up the visual that
will kind of show that, but, yeah, our two hot buttons, I guess, when we walked into Lake
View the first day was first off the piles of dirt and so that was our one hot button. And
the second one was the employee parking only sign right next to the clubhouse, so all
the primo parking spots were reserved for employees. So, those are the -- the first two
things that went. I told the staff -- I said take your time in taking that sign down, just
make sure it's down by 9:00 a.m. And so that was -- we just wanted to kind of send a
new message. I mean we -- we want to definitely keep the feel of Lake View. I mean
you got a special crowd over there and so we want to go ahead and keep that, but, you
know, our goal at the end of this is to make that facility better. We -- that's what we
specialize in, I think, is that we try and take -- take a golf course and make
improvements. Some real fast, some not as fast, and so that pile of dirt, that was a fast
one, and so we have kind got it spread out, we got it in rough shape, nothing's been put
in the ground yet, there has -- you know, there has been no steps beyond that, but
certainly we are here tonight to hopefully you guys can give us the green light to get
some irrigation on that and that's kind of a visual right there of this is kind of a before
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picture of -- of what it looked like. And there is the next picture right here. Here is what
we would like to propose. This is in kind of rough shape right now, so there is the
proposed new tee box. There is the new proposed tee box. This all -- this whole area
will be -- we would like to grass and irrigate, we can go ahead and put in sprinklers,
probably seed or sod, depending on the timing. And, then, this one tree right here is the
one tree that we would like to remove for two reasons. Number one, obviously, we
would like to have that back tee -- it wouldn't be a tee that would be used very much. I
mean it was a tee probably four times a year perhaps, you know, if there is a pro am,
club championship, something like that, but that tee would give you the ability to get a
little tougher course rating, which is, you know, something a lot of people look at. So, it
gives you the ability. It doesn't mean you have to use it. And so that tee box -- but the
tees, you know, would, in essence, stay where they are at right now, but, again, it can
move back. So, we'd like to remove that tree, so that that tee box can be played. And
the second thing is we would like to remove it, because it is so close to the cart path
and that is a cottonwood and cottonwoods and asphalt, they don't mix very well. So,
regardless if that tee is built or not, that would probably be on our wish list to came back
and say irregardless of that tee or not, that it's either replace the asphalt or cut that tree
down. So, that's kind of what we'd like to do. I think there is one more picture. Oh,
right. Right. Maybe go back to that one. Sorry. And one of the things, you know, we
touched earlier is we are big on improvements and one of the things that -- that Jerry
and I have done at a couple different golf courses right now -- and this kind of just
jumped out at us is -- is to kind of create sort of a promenade feel. So, you know, what
we would like to do is remove one tree, but, then, go in with the planting all along there,
so kind of in a triangular spacing, so when guests kind of go to the first tee they have
kind of got an overlapping branch, if you will, they are kind of in almost in a grass tunnel
-- or a tree canopy tunnel, just -- you know, it's not going to be super dense or anything,
we'd go with kind of a lighter tree, but we just think that would just really give a nice feel
for the look. So, we'd like to take out one, plant seven, sort of scenario. You know, that
may or may not happen immediately, but that would certainly be in the plan that we
would come back to the Council with and, hopefully, you would approve it. And, then,
guess the next slide. And these are some of the signs, I just -- excuse the writing. This
is me, so -- but these are some of the -- where the signs are typically and there is our --
there is the number one hot spot to the left where the employee parking sign was
removed, so -- so, if you have any additional questions concerning the construction
or --
De Weerd: Council, any questions?
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: Your gentlemen's reputation is second to none. I'm glad to have you on board.
Your youth programs are famous. Your golf courses are famous. I hope it comes over
the -- the main thing is I hope it's golf club first and a bar later -- secondary. I would
have one question. We have been told for, I don't know, 11, 12 years I have sit on the
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Council here that we are going to grass the right of way down -- what is that, three,
where we go over the ditch -- the covered ditch, that was going to get grassed. I don't
think it's been grassed yet, has it? Is there a chance we could get that, Clint, grassed?
Travis: Well, we can certainly --
Bird: Or is there a reason we can't grass it?
Travis: You always -- the first and foremost is probably check with the canal company,
because, you know, we can definitely call them to see what kind of concerns they have.
I will be honest with you, I haven't spent as much time on the golf course as I'd like to
have. First off, we've just had a lot of internal things in the clubhouse that we are kind of
getting squared away, POS system is one of the first things we wanted to do. Kind of
expedite the check-in and checking out and I used to work with a golf course
superintendent on the course, Rich Rush, he and I worked together at Hillcrest Country
Club and I have complete confidence that he's a fabulous superintendent and so, you
know, some of the pressure on me getting out in the outside has been kind of taken off,
so I -- actually, I spoke with him this afternoon and said, okay, I have got a pad and a
paper ready and said I'd like to make a tour by myself and, then, we need to go. So,
those are the type of things we'd like to bring back to Council and say, okay, this is kind
of on our wish list and is it on yours and that would probably be at the next meeting we
would like to go and bring something back. But we are real big on grass, obviously, in
dirt areas.
Bird: You bet.
Travis: And that's why this clubhouse, I think it would just be a -- just be a massive
improvement to the look and the feel of Lake View.
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: Madam Mayor. And these are probably more for Erik, being the lessee. Erik,
we -- we had a capital improvements plan presented to us, so when you signed the
lease and it went from 2005 through this year, and to be honest with you, the copy I was
able to obtain off the internet off our system is illegible. But it -- it looks rather extensive
and I know some of these items have been done. I would like to see that we find a
legible version of this, make sure that those things that you agreed to do previously are
done and so these gentlemen start off on -- I don't see it's on their burden to do it, it was
an agreement that you made with the city and I'd like to make sure that those are done.
think they are, but I think just to clean up the previous agreement. The current
agreement we have with you lists owners that are no longer owners, as part of the
members of your LLC, so I think we need to clean that up. And in reviewing the
management agreement that you have entered with Raven, there is some items in that
that are not clear to me. I think they are probably unclear to our legal counsel as well,
as to ownership and particularly as it relates to infrastructure out there and water rights.
Actually, those are -- those are the city's, not yours, and that needs to be cleaned up.
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There is some other issues there that I think we need to sit down with to make sure that
your new operators understand what really is there and what the expectations are in
that instrument that we currently have with you and I'm sure that that's going to be fairly
easy to do, but I just -- you know, let's start off on the right foot on this and, you know,
the wink and hand shake has gotten us in trouble more times than we want to
remember and we just want start off with a clean go. I'd like to hear a little more about
-- and I know you're putting together -- probably going to be putting together some kind
of a capital improvements proposal that we want you to bring back to the city, but some
other comments, some other issues that you're trying to address say at the clubhouse in
terms of its hours of operation and the kinds of services that you're going to provide,
what weaknesses do you see and are you proposing some strengths there and I -- Clint
or Jerry, either one, can address that.
Oaas: Councilman Rountree, Madam Mayor, City Council, I just want to be very clear
that the lease that the city has continues with Lake View Meridian investors and nothing
will change in that regard. The ownership or -- of Lake View Meridian investors has --
has changed. Dick Davis is no longer an owner in the LLC. The LLC is owned entirely
by Oaas Laney. My partner Steve Laney and myself. So, with regard to the obligations
that we have with the City of Meridian as -- as outlined in the lease agreement, there is
nothing that will change in engaging with Raven Golf Services. Our responsibility under
the terms of the agreement remain very clear and unchanged and we -- we intend to
continue to adhere to -- to that. All that -- that we had wanted to do is to -- is to bring in
some additional expertise in terms of -- of an operator that -- as I indicated, could sort of
take us to -- up to another level. I do believe that we had made some substantial
improvements from -- you know, at the point in time that we -- that we entered into the
lease, but I, quite honestly, felt that we had sort of stalled out a little bit and -- and we
were ready for, you know, some -- you know, some -- some -- I guess what I would
consider to be more professional, more organized management and that's why we
looked to Raven Golf Services. And we are more than happy to outline with City
Council and it's probably, Councilman Rountree, a little bit earlier right now to talk about
specifics, but most definitely -- I mean these gentlemen have just been on board for --
for a couple of weeks now, but we most definitely will be prepared the next time we
come with a -- with a more detailed outline and certainly will get a more legible copy of
that -- that capital plan that's -- we didn't purposely make it illegible. So, in that spirit we
are very much committed to continue. We are extremely excited to be part of -- part of
the blossoming of this -- this jewel for the City of Meridian and we do believe it's a jewel,
we have always felt that way, and we are just continuing to try and polish that a little bit.
Rountree: Thank you.
De Weerd: Anything further from the Council?
Nary: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Nary.
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Nary: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, so should I have Mr. Baird get a hold of
Mr. Oaas, so we can finalize some of the details? Some of it's very minor stuff, you
know, there is an assignment that needs to be done and we can bring that back to the
Council or some of the other things, but we can get that process going, so that could be
parallel to what you're already doing, but we can get all the legal stuff done.
Oaas: Sure.
Nary: So, we will do that.
De Weerd: Yes.
Travis: Madam Mayor, Members of the City Council, if -- to be -- Mr. Nary, do you --
there are a couple of things that we would like to do. We would like to get -- we would
like to remove that one Cottonwood tree, we would like -- I mean there are a couple of
things that we have already done, getting rid of the employee only parking sign, there
was a pile -- there was a pile of refuge on 18th fairway -- 14th and 15th that we have
removed and gotten rid of, so -- but there are certain things that have been taken care
of and we just would like the City Council's consent to allow us to go forward and finish
-- finish this championship tee on the first hole and get rid of that -- that tree that we
think is very problematic, with the understanding that that -- that that tee will only be
used for three or four events during the course of the year, but it is -- it may seem small,
but when you drive up and you see those piles of dirt gone now, it's -- it's very
impressive and it's nice. So, I would ask the Council's consent for -- for just those few
changes.
De Weerd: I don't think there is any problem, unless Council suggests otherwise.
Bird: I think it's great.
Rountree: Madam Mayor, that's within the bounds of the lease that's been negotiated.
It sounds to me like it's -- it's one for more, ultimately, and it is a problem. It's not just a
problem on your golf course, it's a problem in several parks as it relates to walking
paths. So, we do remove trees occasionally, but typically replace them as well, so --
Oaas: You have heard from these gentlemen what their feelings are removing trees
and replacing them, so you have that commitment.
De Weerd: Well, we appreciate you coming in and giving an initial report, look forward
to you coming back after you have done your assessment and hear the longer term
plans and thank you for removing those dirt piles and the refuge pile and so --
Rountree: Madam Mayor, if I might, just give me -- give us a general -- an idea of what
we might be seeing next -- in a couple of months, three months?
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Oaas: Three months would -- I think would be, yeah, realistic. Three months would
work out very well.
Rountree: And Ted will be getting probably a hold of either you, Erik, or your attorney
working out the fine points.
Oaas: Absolutely.
Rountree: Okay.
De Weerd: So, Council, if it works and if it works for you the second week of August?
Breaux: Perfect.
De Weerd: Okay. Verygood.
Oaas: Thank you, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council. We appreciate it. Thank
you.
Bird: Thank you.
Item 9: Items Moved From Consent Agenda.
De Weerd: Okay. There were no items moved from the Consent Agenda.
Item 10: Action Items.
A. Public Hearing: Sanitary Services Company 2010 Proposed
Fee Schedule
De Weerd: So, we will move to Item No. 10, which is a public hearing on SSC 2010
proposed fee schedule.
Sedlacek: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, thanks very much for hearing this
tonight. My name is Steve Sedlacek of Sanitary Service. We have been in front of you
many times recently about the change to the solid waste collection system and this rate
structure that we have before you is related to that. It ties to the change to automated
collection. It is something we developed over -- we have been having these discussions
for at least a year. Many public meetings at our facility. Public hearings. Solid Waste
Advisory Committee meetings. The rate structure has been developed in conjunction
with the solid waste advisory committee. I was also hoping tonight that -- I'm not sure
it's on the agenda, but there has been changes to the city code proposed related to this
change over. I'm not sure if that was part of this tonight.
Nary: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, it's not. We are still -- there is still some
bugs to work out in that and, of course, the change doesn't need to be effective until
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July, so our intent is to probably bring it back by the end of this month and have all the
necessary changes to the code. So -- so, it isn't part of tonight's discussion.
Sedlacek: All right. Thank you. I don't have the rate -- the rate structure electronically
to show on the overheads. I think you have it in your packets. We have had it in front
of you many times. Basically, it's a system where -- a rate structure where if you put out
more waste you pay more and if you put out less you pay less and what we have now
is, obviously, unlimited collection for one rate. So, we are trying to get some equity into
the system where it's more like any other utility where, you know, the more water you
use or the more electricity you use the more you pay and the same would be true of
waste collection also, so -- oh, there it is right there. So, I don't know if you have any
questions for me. I don't have anything new to tell you tonight. There has been no
changes since the last time we were in front of you. I -- but throw it open for questions
from you at this point.
De Weerd: Thank you. And, Council, any questions?
Bird: I don't have any.
Hoaglun: Madam Mayor, I just have one question that was thrown at me here the other
day. If someone wanted to know that -- well, if I chose the wrong cart and I wanted to
exchange it for a larger cart and I have got a pickup truck, can I throw it in the truck,
come down, will they charge me the fee and that was a question and I said that's a good
question, I'll find out.
Sedlacek: It is a good question and I haven't thought about that. Honestly, you know,
the fee is for us to get to the house and I get a man out there and so if they want to
deliver it -- if they want to bring it to us and exchange it, we can do that for free. That's
fine. I have no problem with that.
Hoaglun: It made sense to do it that way, if they were able to do that. Yeah.
Sedlacek: Yes.
Hoaglun: No cost to you in doing that, so --
Sedlacek: Right. That seems equitable to me.
Hoaglun: Okay. Thanks.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: You may have mentioned this other times, but will the carts have a serial
number on them, so you know if somebody is bringing somebody's else cart to you?
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Sedlacek: Yes, sir. They are serial numbered and the newer ones are bar coded. We
don't have a bar code scanner at this point. We are -- at this point we are just going to
kind of do it the old fashioned way and keep track of everyone's number as best we can
and that will be tied in our computer system to your address, so when you come in if
you wanted to exchange it, we could look it up and make sure it was the right one and
put in a number.
De Weerd: Okay. Anything further at this point, Council? Okay. Thank you.
Sedlacek: Thank you.
De Weerd: This is a public hearing. Is there any member of the public who would like
to provide testimony on this item? If you would so desire I'd invite you forward. I do
have two people that signed up, Jessica Ingersoll signed up in favor of it. If you would
like to provide testimony or I did read that into the record. If you will, please, state your
name and address for the record.
Ingersoll: Jessica Ingersoll. 2316 North Hyde Avenue.
De Weerd: Thank you.
Ingersoll: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, I just -- I have done a lot of research
on the proposed changes to the sanitation system since I heard about it last. Have
been out of the state attending school, but as soon as we received the pamphlet with
our bill, I started looking into things and I was very skeptical of the proposal originally,
because I didn't like the idea of a mechanical arm reaching out and grabbling garbage
and us being -- having to change the amount that we put out, I just liked the original
system, but as I looked into it I found that it was good, because it did encourage
recycling, which I thought was a very good idea. I also was concerned about the jobs
that would be lost by those people that were collecting garbage in the first place, that
was one thing that concerned me a little. I also appreciated the small fee, two dollars,
for an additional can, I thought that was very good. And I was concerned with one other
thing. If people do find that this is a system that they don't appreciate, I was worried
that they will find alternate ways of disposing of their waste. I'm sure you have
discussed this already or I would hope that you have addressed it, but that was one of
the things that did come to mind that may be a potential problem. But, otherwise, I do
feel that the entire project is a good idea, but I think the -- the fees, as I looked at them,
are only about a penny less for the largest ones than people are paying right now, so I
proposed that -- or I thought that maybe it would be a good idea to lower those fees a
bit, so that the largest -- largest can -- I think you had down as $16.32 might be 14 and
12 and ten, I thought that would be appreciated by the public a little more and that this
will be an inconvenience in some cases. I don't know how that financially would work,
but that was just something that I had thought about, so --
De Weerd: Thank you, Jessica. Council, any questions?
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Rountree: No. Thank you.
De Weerd: Thank you. We had one other person signed up on the sheet. Russ Boyle
signed up against. If you will, please, state your name and address for the record.
Boyle: My name is Russ Boyle. I'm at 1515 North Santa Rosa in Meridian.
De Weerd: Thank you.
Boyle: Good evening, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, I -- I would like to ask if
we could take a vote of who other -- is there any other people that are here for this
subject or if it is just us two. I guess I had expected many more people to be here.
De Weerd: There are a couple of others.
Boyle: So, I am here in opposition of this and I think that the conversation could be long
and I will try to be short, but, in essence, I guess that we have heard from own tonight
about the depressed economy that we are in right now. There is a lot of people out of
work. I'm really surprised that this is even open up for discussion at all. The way we
see it -- and I have talked to many -- many members of my neighborhood and, ironically,
everyone I talked to was very upset about this, but, apparently, not upset enough to
come out and support. What we are getting is a fee increase, a reduction in service and
it sounds like there are going to be people laid off and those same people are also
going to wind up probably on the unemployment rolls and to me that doesn't make any
sense in this time and this economy that we have right now. I spent seven months on
unemployment this summer myself for the first time in my life and I don't think that's a
position that we need to put these people in. Secondly, I don't think the service is going
to be improved. The service -- I have been in Meridian for 17 years and the service has
been exemplary. They will pick up anything that you put out. The people that run those
trucks are efficient, they are good, and they are fast and the prices haven't gone up in --
as far as I know of in the last 17 years and I understand now why they are going up, but
I suspect it's not because it's going to make our houses cleaner and our neighborhoods
cleaner, I suspect it's because of these new trucks they are going to purchase. I don't
see that point. I think the current system that we have right now is working just fine.
What you're going to find -- this isn't New York and we don't live in apartments. We
have trees and yards. I filled up eight garbage cans full of leaves that I could not
compost over the winter this year. That would be -- I would have to be charged
additional charge to dispose of those leaves. This isn't as cheap as the current system
or a point cheaper or whatever. Anything extra we have to pay for. Previously that's
always been picked up. And not only that, but there is only certain times of the year that
some of these things will be picked up. What's going to happen is people are going to
put this stuff out in front of their houses, they are going to pile their trash in front of their
fences and their garage doors and they are going to wait until they have a low time in
their garbage, so they can fit this stuff into one garbage can. I think it's a bad idea.
think it's ill-conceived. And I also think it's only coming about because -- for profit and
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gain. I don't think it services the community and when I read these things how he tried
to wrap this smile around -- you know, how pretty it's going to make -- cleaner and safer
for the community, I don't buy it. I think -- I think that that's just a way for us to try and
absorb this extra cost. We have had our water price has gone up, our sewer prices
have gone up, our electricity has gone up. Just one more thing. I don't know, Members
of the Council, I don't know when it's going to end. This is not a time in our economy
when we should be raising prices on these things. If it's cheaper to have our garbage
hauled away with an ox and a cart and hire a thousand more people to do it, I think
that's the kind of thing we ought to be thinking about, putting people to work, not laying
people off. Thank you.
De Weerd: Thank you. Are there additional people who would like to provide
testimony? Yes, please. If you will, please, state your name and address for the
record.
Dalrimple: Brian Dalrimple. 505 West Carlton.
De Weerd: Thank you.
Dalrimple: I was -- thank you for allowing me to speak tonight. I know originally when
this first came about they talked about a composting facility that was in the works. I --
my concern is just that that does go forward and that we have a way to deal with the
yard debris. Actually, I think the new system is going to be a lot better and I certainly --
SSC, they need to make a profit to stay in business, so I think that if the compost -- the
yard waste is addressed, most people will be pretty happy with it. That's all I have.
De Weerd: Additional testimony? Yes, sir. Good evening.
Couch: Good evening. My name is Tom Couch. 2795 North Rough Stone Way,
Meridian. 46.
Nary: Could you repeat your name again, sir'?
Couch: 27 --my name?
Nary: Your name.
Couch: Thomas Couch. Councilman Hoaglun, you hit the one that I heard. I'm right on
the edge of Tumble Creek, Turtle Creek, I don't speak for their organization, that's my
neighbors, that's who I speak to. Your comment was the number one on my list, was
about that 12 dollar fee, and we are actually -- well, speaking for myself and my
neighbors, if they are willing to do the free exchange on the trade out of the cans, that's
more than fair. So, that removed the main thing. And I'll echo the other comment about
the yard waste. I know in the brochure the most recent one -- and this is after going to
two of their public meetings at SSC last summer, coming here in October for a hearing
is part of it, because my -- my homeowners association was the same evening right
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around the corner here. I have sort of followed it for my neighbors. The yard waste is
an issue and I'm just paraphrasing here, but it mentions special collection service for
yard -- you know, for yard waste and my question is what does that service entail in the
cost and I guess -- I guess Steve at the end of this will get a chance to, you know, come
back with it, but I -- looking at the list that we had, that's the two issues. So, if that can
be addressed. And, then, realizing it may not be addressed right away, but if
somewhere down the road -- I have lived other places where the county did have the
compost facility, you could haul it up there, and it was a small charge in one place, one
place it was free. I think if it would be a small charge, I think people would go for that.
The summertime, my residents is two -- two people. We could do with a 35 gallon can.
Not in the summertime, we are going to have to have a larger can and I'd much rather
see that getting composted than running to the landfill. Thank you.
De Weerd: Thank you. Any additional testimony? Okay. Steve, would you like to
respond?
Nary: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes.
Nary: Madam Mayor, while Steve's coming up, I was noticing -- and we have looked at
this rate sheet a number of times. We looked at it at the Solid Waste Advisory
committee. We published it and reviewed it and it has one error on it and it has the
extra weight on collection day, a dollar per can. And that wasn't what was
recommended. This was one iteration. The discussion by the solid waste committee
was whether to allow can tags and the recommendation was not to allow can tags. It
required that all of them be the same cans that are issued by SSC. So, if the Council
approves this rate structure or whatever rate structure, you need to at least address that
and what's proposed, so you can certainly take it off without it being an issue and we
still have to bring it back in a resolution form for final approval.
De Weerd: Thank you, Mr. Nary.
Sedlacek: Thank you, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council. I'll just -- if I could
address some of the questions or comments that came up. Let's talk about lost jobs.
Indeed, we will be switching from two man trucks to one man trucks. That means
reduction in work force. Our intention is to phase in the automated trucks. In July we
will have two here. We need five. So, what we find over time is we have attrition in our
work force. People leave. Just at work today one of our guys on one of the trucks is
going to be leaving for a different job, probably in a month. People, you know, join the
Navy or the armed services. We had one person who went -- is going off for another
deployment. So, you know, people are coming and going all the time. What we are
trying to avoid is getting all the trucks here at once and all of a sudden having some
massive layoff of, you know, four or five people. We are also operating in Canyon
county where we have two man trucks and we hire temporary employees on those
trucks. So, anyone who is a Sanitary Service employee, if this occurs, is going to be
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moved over to Canyon county to work on those trucks. So, they are going to keep their
jobs. Now, someone at the end gets pushed out, though, and that's probably someone
from the temp agency. That's still unemployment and that's still bad. But we have to
remember that every one of those guys who is on the back of those trucks is going to
last about ten years and wear out and he won't have a job. So, the good news with the
automated collection is you can have a career now. So, you can work for us for 30 or
40 years or however long it is and do this job. So, that's the good side of it. As far as
people throwing their materials into dumpsters or into a ditch bank, that's a concern.
We had talked about that. And city ordinances have to address that. And it is going to
happen. We will have to watch out for that. Now, composting, that's -- you know, that's
the holy grail we have all talked about. Yard waste is the problem. It is what everyone
is concerned about. Leaves and tree trimming and all that stuff. Well, if we can get that
to a compost facility, that's great. We are working on that. I -- you know, it's not next
year. I don't know if it's two years from now. We will see. A lot of this is driven by
landfill costs and what the county is going to do. So, who knows. But all costs are
going up. You know, it's good to hear that one person thought that rates hadn't gone up
for 17 years. I mean they have gone up steadily for 17 years and that's cost of living
and fuel and disposal costs also. You know, I guess the question is how do you
equitably distribute those costs amongst the population when some people put out a lot
and some people put out a little and that's how -- that's what we are trying to get to at
this rate structure. As far as exchanging can goes -- exchanging cans go, I don't have a
problem if people want to bring them to us. I guess I was thinking more about that. I
don't want this to occur every week, you know, we might have to put some limit on this
thing. I don't want someone to have a party, get a 95 gallon can one week and, then,
the next week they need a 35 and they come and exchange it, you know -- you know, I
don't know how we do the rate structure. We would be telling the billing people every
couple weeks to change it from this rate to that rate to this rate to that rate. I mean
there has got to be some control on that. But, again, if people want to bring it to us,
because they have gotten the wrong can and they want to make a switch for a long
period of time, that's fine. And let's see. Oh, the 20 dollar collection fee that was raised
for special collections. We, basically, come to the conclusion that, you know, not
everybody has a truck to bring stuff -- bring extra waste to the transfer station or bring it
to the landfill, where ever you want to take it. So, what we propose to do is have this 20
dollar collection fee where we would bring a rear load truck out and if your stuffs on
your -- on the curb, we will pick it up for 20 bucks. So, this is not something you want to
do every week, because you would probably run up quite a bill. But if you have some
very sporadic need for it, that's fine. We will bring a truck out, just call us. It's 20 dollars
for the first ten minutes and 20 bucks for every ten minutes thereafter. So, if it's all
bundled and nice in cans and we can just grab and go, wonderful. Now, in the future
we are probably going to have to put some limit on that, only because we did have a
customer who put the entire contents of their mobile home on the curb and wanted free
collection. Now, that filled up a third of our truck. You know, the disposable cost on that
alone was about a hundred dollars. So, I can't really charge people 20 bucks and, then,
pay a hundred to get rid of something. That's a bad business model, but -- so, there
might have to be some, you know, volume limits put on that in the future or something,
but I think for the most part people are pretty respectful of that and they just have some
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extra stuff and we can pick it up for 20 bucks. And if people choose not to do that, that's
fine, that's their choice, too. I guess one last comment about profitability and things like
that. We do need to make a profit to keep from getting bank loans from the bank. We
carry probably four million dollars in debt on our balance sheets continuously. Now, we
have trucks, you know, that are ten years old that we are -- that are coming off loans
and we are constantly buying new trucks. We are constantly recycling through the fleet
and this -- this program is no different. We simply decided we are not going to buy rear
loading trucks anymore, we are stitching to side loading trucks and that's what -- that's
the kind of truck we need to do this. So, I'm not sure -- you know, this, in my mind, is a
revenue neutral proposal. Now, it depends on who selects what cart size. If -- if a lot of
people opt for a 35 gallon can, we are going to go down in revenue. If a lot of people
opt for the 65, more so than already have it, our revenues might go up a little bit. You
know, I don't know. I don't know what people are going to select. But if you look at
Boise and some of the other cities in the area and assume that we have similar
populations, the rate structure will yield, basically, a revenue neutral, as far as I'm
concerned, operation. I'm sure I'm a little bit wrong there, but I'm not sure if I'm a little
high or a little low. So, anyway -- and that's the revenue we need to support the debt
loads we have to service the city. So, that's, really, all I have to say, if you have any
questions for me.
De Weerd: Council, questions?
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: It's not really a question, but with any change it just seems wise to say, okay,
six months later we will have a post mortem, because it's not a one-time thing, but it's --
you certainly need to review how it's working for you and we would need to think about
how it's working for the citizens and I'm -- I'm just saying it would make sense that -- we
are talking about implementing this in July, that next December or January you come
talk to us about how it's going and whether you need to change the special collection
prices or, you know, what peripheral things need to be adjusted because it's a new
experience. So, that wouldn't surprise me at all.
Sedlacek: I think that's a great idea. You know, we will be having meetings with the
Solid Waste Advisory Committee monthly or quarterly, whatever we need to have them.
We will be reviewing those kinds of things. We would be happy to report back to you on
those issues. You know, the most difficult thing in this rate structure is -- is our disposal
fees. You know, I know how much it takes to get a truck to your house every week -- or
two trucks, you know, if it's recycling. What I don't know is, you know, what -- we have
had to make assumptions at is when we have 1.4 million dollars we spend every year
on the disposal, well, how much -- you know, is that of yours and how much is yours
and how much is yours -- you know, that -- that's -- that's the tough part. So, we have
made some assumptions to come up with a rate structure. We ought to review that.
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Are people going to put out less waste? I don't know. They might just spread it out over
more weeks, in which case the rates won't go -- and, you know that -- that 1.4 million we
spend won't go down at all. But maybe people will mulch their grass and not throw
away as much. I don't know. Maybe people will recycle more. And, then, we also have
the issue of what -- how much are we paying to get rid of the recycling now that we
weren't paying before. So, all those things need to come in flux and that's part of the
rate discussion I need to have with you every year I think, is how we -- how we
appropriate those costs based on service level.
Hoaglun: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Question for Steve. On the commingling recycling, I can't remember when
we switch from the bins to the commingled, I think you had said the recycling has gone
up. People -- more people are participating, but I can't remember if you gave a number
or had a percentage or how many more people or --
Sedlacek: The weights have gone up 50 percent. The amount of recycling is up 50
percent. Now, my anticipation is when we implement the next phase, which is the
automated collection of waste, people are going to realize, well, I really need to recycle.
You know, we probably have 75 -- 65 and 70 percent of the homes with a recycling cart.
Well, 30 percent don't have one. Well, I think those -- when that 30 percent calls in and
wants one, that's when you're going to see a lot of change also. It's just going to go up
and up.
Hoaglun: Okay. Follow-up, Madam Mayor. Steve, I remember last year when we were
at our budget session we didn't have -- we knew the tipping rates out at the landfill were
going up, we just didn't know how much last year. Do you have any idea what the
increase is going to be this year yet, any early indications? I know it's kind of like
guessing tax revenue, just -- who knows, but it's probably likely going up again, the
costs that you pay, that we pay, we all pay out there at the Ada County Landfill.
Sedlacek: They are going up and the interesting thing is that the county has decided to
switch systems, they are not going to bill us by the cubic yard anymore, they are putting
scales in and they are going to do it by the ton. Well, what's happened -- you know, the
costs per ton for residential waste is the lowest of all the different rate structures the
county has, so when they switch to tonnage, that's the one that's going to go up the
most. I can't even guess what the rate will be. I mean it's -- you know, that's just like
picking lottery numbers, you know, I have no idea.
Hoaglun: Thank you.
De Weerd: Well, I can say, Steve, the letters that I get all -- I think hands down are all
about yard waste and I know that you have been working with our Public Works
Department to try and find a composting program that actually is not so price prohibitive,
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we can actually add that as one of the opportunities and that like you mentioned, it's not
going to happen within the next year. Can you look at perhaps -- I know that you have a
fall collection where you do allow the yard waste. Is there a spring collection that you
can also offer? And, you know, I guess we had this discussion when the -- the
committee made its recommendation and, you know, I have a third of an acre and I
have plenty of yard waste and we are figuring out that now that we recycle I -- I don't fill
my cart like I have in the past and I put my yard waste in my can. But there is the fall
with the leaves and, then, there is the spring cleanup as well. And people know there
are at least those two times of the year that they can put their yard waste out there and
the rest of it ration into their larger can over -- over time. Is that another option? And
know we keep asking, but that is, hands down, the most frequently comment passed
along that I hear.
Sedlacek: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, absolutely. Yard waste is -- the
problem is yard waste, yard waste, yard waste. We can certainly look at the spring
collection. I guess I'm not sure when you do it. You know, one of the problems we
have with fall -- fall leaf collection is people don't like the period that it's in. It's too early,
it's too late. You know, it's hard to get it right.
De Weerd: And we talked about that at the town hall meeting.
Sedlacek: Now -- we have talked about that and we need to make that a larger period
and that's fine. It still don't cover everybody. In the spring we could do a week of
unlimited collection, but a week is only a week. I mean, you know -- then, you could do
-- well, you could do two weeks, four weeks -- I mean it gets to the point where you're
kind of back to the system you had a little bit. I mean, look, I will -- I would be happy to
discuss it with you and the Solid Waste Committee and see if we can come up with
something. It is -- it's the issue. You're right. Now, I guess my concern would be, you
know, we are going to set a week to do this in the spring and it could be a really cold -- it
will be a really cold week and people won't -- haven't done their yard work and missed it
or something. I mean it's a weather driven issue. It's hard to set that week, I guess, is
what I'm trying to say.
De Weerd: It probably is, but if it's published people know.
Sedlacek: Right. That's true.
De Weerd: And --
Sedlacek: But, again, you know, this -- you're the Mayor and the Council and if you'd
like to see that, then, we could make that happen.
De Weerd: Again, I guess it's just responding to the comments that we have received
and I think your comments in particular about the fall collection was well received by the
people that attended the town hall meeting and it seemed they appreciated the
compromise and I guess there is acknowledgment that there is not unlimited landfill
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space and that the more -- the less we recycle, the more rapidly the landfill is going to
fill up and the more expensive the rates become. So, I think that message was very
well conveyed to the folks that did attend, it just hasn't answered this composting.
Sedlacek: That's going to be a very tough nut to crack, Madam Mayor, and, you know,
if you did want to do a collection week in the spring, a spring clean up week, we have
time to get that organized. I mean this will kick off in July, so we will have until -- you
know, we will have nine months to look at when to do that and how it would be done.
And we would be happy to talk about that with you.
De Weerd: Anything further from City Council?
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: Along the lines of your discussion, I think Allied Waste has just recently
advertised a spring clean up in their service areas, so that was something new that they
have added to their services. We were not aware of that through any of our previous
discussions, but it was on some PSAs late night TV.
Sedlacek: It may be that the mayor of Boise is getting the same e-mails that you are.
I believe the way they are doing that -- this is something new that's come out. Everyone
still has to use their cart, because we are not going to switch trucks to pick up
everyone's waste. You would be obligated to fill up your cart first and, then, you would
have to, you know, have the weight limits apply to the cans and you put out -- you have
to put out your own cans or bags or something. So, on a stop where there was more
than just the cart, we would dump the cart and, then, we would have to load the cart
with the extra and, then, dump it again, two or three times, whatever. And so that week
would be tedious for us, but it can be done. It's not -- it's not impossible.
De Weerd: If there is no further questions, I thank you for being here.
Sedlacek: Thank you.
De Weerd: Okay. Council? If you have something additional, yes, please, come
forward.
Boyle: Do I need to state my name again?
De Weerd: Yes, please.
Boyle: Russ Boyle. 1550 North Santa Rosa in Meridian.
De Weerd: Thank you.
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Boyle: I guess we don't want to lose sight -- I don't think this is just about waste, I think
this is a -- there is a greater full here of being the additional cost and the people that will
be unemployed. I don't accept the idea that -- that there aren't always people looking
for work and we are just reducing -- I see this all over. I worked at Jabil when they sent
their job to China. I now work at HP and we are sending our jobs to India. I see it.
Everywhere. Our community -- we have got to stop this. We have got to stop this
mentality of making profit by laying people off and so I guess that really concerns me
and that is the greater concern of the public. The waste is an issue, but the greater
concern is that we are reducing services, raising our costs, and we are cutting jobs.
You know, there aren't a lot of good jobs out there. I don't know what these jobs pay,
but there aren't a lot of good jobs out there and they are hard to find. We got a lot of
people unemployed. I don't think there should be a discussion -- I would like to ask the
gentleman -- you know, he's talked about this loan that he has. How much of that is
going to go against these new trucks and how much more expensive are these new
trucks than the current trucks that we -- that he offers? And, you know, everyone else
has had to cut expenses. Do they make those trucks last a little bit longer? It's one
thing if he's working for private enterprise, but he's not, he's being paid by the taxpayers
here in Meridian. He has an obligation to cut his expenses, not make profit.
understand the fact that he needs to stay in business, but if he's that worried about
profit, he should take this to a private enterprise and not be signing the contract with the
city and I have heard words -- I can't substantial them -- that they have a 17 year
contract. I would like to ask what type of competition do we have? There is a flyer that
got sent out said that we are mandated to this service. I get real concerned when a
government agency mandates something. I would like to propose we have an
alternative service. We have a choice. Bring in some competitive competition into this
deal and, then, see what they can do with rates. Everyone else has to deal with
competition. Why would they have exclusivity on this? I don't understand that. Thank
you.
De Weerd: You know, I do understand your -- your comments, but it is a private
business that we contract with, and so they have to -- they are not a nonprofit. We all
admit they are for profit. And the length of the contracts are such that they make a long
term investment in our community when they become contractor for the city and
because of that, the prices are more competitive and they are less. If we did a year to
year I think that you would see an increase that would definitely not be to your liking,
because what you're doing is you're putting in risk and they'd have to charge you for
that risk and that's not something that municipalities can pass on to their rate payers.
That risk we will not take, because it's more expensive to the end user, and that is why
on these kind of contracts you do have the longer term, because of the cost and the
investment in the capital end to provide those services and you will see that across the
state. That's not anything that's unique to our city. I would also invite you to look at the
other rates that other communities are spending. We all are impacted by the landfill
charges that the county imposes and that is a ripple effect like you have in any other
utilities, so -- and, unfortunately, as you see requirements regulatory environmental
increase, those all have costs as well and it's unfortunate and -- but those decisions are
not being made at the local level, they are being made primarily at the federal level and
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they are being passed down and it does have a ripple effect. We are just as frustrated
as you are, because we are rate payers as well.
Boyle: I agree with everything that you have said and I wouldn't suggest that we would
renew a contract every year, but every five years, you know, or make sure that when
those contracts are open that there is viable opportunities for other people to participate.
would also add that any business has long-term investments. It doesn't matter who
they are and at any given day they can lose business that would cause a loss against
those investments that they have made. If I could just say one more thing. I see the
limit on the -- on the 95 gallon can is 330 pounds. To put that in perspective, a gallon of
water weighs approximately seven pounds. If you were to fill that can with water that
would be approximately 950 pounds. I'm not real sure what they are expecting us to put
in this 95 gallon can that will only weigh 330 pounds. It certainly won't be dirt. It
wouldn't be rocks. It wouldn't be sod. It wouldn't be chopped up tree trunks. So, I'm
very concerned about this weight limit. I think it needs to be double this weight and if
their trucks can't accommodate that, then, I would see that as a concern. Thank you.
De Weerd: Thank you. Mr. Sedlacek, do you wish to have any final comment? And
before I ask you to comment, is there any further testimony? Okay. Mr. Sedlacek.
Sedlacek: Just -- I'm not sure exactly what point to talk about there, but as far as the
price of the trucks goes, the trucks are a quarter of a million dollars apiece. So, you
know, a standard garbage truck, if you want to call it that, the rear loading trucks that we
buy or have bought in the past are about 140. So, they are significantly more, there is
more moving parts on the new ones that allow the one man operation. So, we are -- I
will be frank and just tell you we are exchanging human labor for mechanical labor and
some people -- that's kind of the future. You know, lifting -- lifting weight over and over
and over is hard on the human body and so that's part of this. We are trying to
eliminate or reduce that and will people lose their jobs? Yes. Some will. Should we
hire 500 ox carts to do this? I can do that, if that's what you want. I don't have a pen for
all the oxen, but we can -- we can figure that out. But, you know, is that the right way to
go? Again, that's up to the Council.
De Weerd: Steve, I guess what I heard you say is your employees -- you're trying to
retain them and the ones that you lose will be more to attrition and temporary labor that
you hire out, so they are not typically your full-time employees.
Sedlacek: That's correct. Currently we have 53 employees, full-time employees, and
after this conversion we are probably going to have about 48. So, we are going to lose
five people, probably. But we are going to lose those -- we are going to lose those five,
because they are going to leave and go do something else anyway, but the point I think
was that, well, that's still five jobs. That's correct. That's absolutely correct. There is no
doubt about that.
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Hoaglun: Madam Mayor. And, Steve, I think -- didn't you mention before that the
camera -- the guys throw the trash in the back, that that -- that job life was, what, five to
ten years? I can't remember what you had said previously.
Sedlacek: It's a five to ten year job. You know, we hire people that are 22, 23, and,
then, when they get to their early 30s they have to go find another job, because they are
worn out. Their shoulders are shot. Their knees. They are just done, so they can't do
it. So, it's not a career. You know, this is not a long term way to get ahead, working on
the back of one of our garbage trucks. Now, the guys know the job when they apply for
work, they know what they are getting in for. It's not a surprise. So, what we would like
to do is simply have jobs that are -- that someone can do for a long, long time to support
their family. So, it's a trade off, so -- it's fewer jobs, but better jobs, I guess. I don't
know if that is the right trade off, but that is -- that is the deal here. That's all I really
have.
De Weerd: Okay. Thank you. Mr. Council?
Rountree: Madam Mayor, I move that we close the public hearing on Item 10-A.
Bird: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing on 10-A. All those
in favor say aye. All ayes. Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Rountree: Just a comment -- or discussion, Madam Mayor. The decision on the
service has already been made. That was made a number of weeks or months ago.
Tonight's hearing is strictly about the rate structure that will be utilized to go in effect
with the change in operation. So, we have struggled with the comments we have heard
tonight for over a year and I think we are -- we have moved through those. We have
had multiple public meetings. We have had several public hearings. We have had what
thought some pretty good dialogue. We have had the yard waste being folks' biggest
issue and that's a big issue is folks that think that what we are proposing is a grand idea
and for folks who think this is not a grand idea. My recollection is we have had a
number of people, though, recognize that -- the encouragement of recycling is --
apparently it has encouraged recycling, because we have increased the volume by 50
percent over what we have been doing and that's just those folks who have moved
forward with getting their free totter and getting their free recycle service in place. In my
own instance it's probably reduced the volume of trash that goes in my green totter at
this point by 60 plus percent, from filling it up once a week to maybe two and at the
most three 22 gallon -- or 22 quart trash sacks. So, it's empty most of the time. But,
again, those comments don't necessarily relate to what this hearing is about. This
hearing is about the rate structure. I believe that two things make the rate structure
different than what you're paying now is that you do have an option now not to have a
totter. You will not have an option in the future to have totter. You can pick a totter size
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to accommodate your needs. If the 35 does your needs, you will be paying less than
you pay now. If a 65 accommodates your needs, you will be paying slightly more than
you do now. If you need a 65 -- or a 95 gallon, you will be paying more than you pay
now, primarily because of the cost of having a totter available. Again, it's an individual
choice of how much you're going to pay, how much you're going to recycle, how
innovative people get with handling waste and I can tell you we get pretty innovative.
Knowing it was coming I have made a lot of changes. Having said that, that's my two
bits. I don't know what everybody else wants to say about the rate structure.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: I would add that people do have an ability to affect their rate by how much
they recycle and as with others, I have discovered that the more that I can put into the
commingled recycle, as with Councilman Rountree, I have put out a very small bag of
actual trash every week and I think we need to make the connection to people that --
that recycling does make a difference to how much you need to put in trash. What gets
picked up as trash does cost to get rid of. It's not only the transportation charges, but
the landfill charges and that's a big part of the fee is what it costs to get rid of what
people put out every week. I appreciate the fact that we have had a Solid Waste
Advisory Committee looking at this. They have struggled with prices and we have
struggled with them a little bit over the past year or so. I believe we got some good
advice from the Solid Waste Advisory Committee. I hope they will continue and give us
a thorough review of this about six months after it's been put into effect, but I think we
have -- for something that's going to be a little bit new, I think we have hit on a fair and
equitable proposal.
Hoaglun: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Just a comment. When we first started this process I was concerned from the
standpoint of cost. I did not want to see some of our folks in this community hit with
higher costs. You know, I look at my neighbors across the street, the Johnsons, a
senior citizen couple, and, you know, my kids, before they went off to college, I'm
putting out my three cans a week, I just -- I didn't have a totter, I just drug the cans out
and made my kids drag the cans out and the Johnsons were putting their little bag out
and they are pretty frugal, they don't do a whole lot and they are paying the same rate
as I was and the one thing I did not want to see was them to have to increase what they
paid and, in fact, under this system what pleased me about this, as we moved forward
and worked on this, was the fact that they can pay less than they are paying now and,
to me, that's -- that's protecting our most vulnerable members of this community and --
and the more I put out, the more I will pay, and that I think is something we need to
move for -- move forward to. I think Steve has said in the past what other commodity
that you use more of that you don't have to pay for? It's not our water. It's not our
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electricity. It's not our sewer. This -- this is based on a fairness of what you utilize --
how much trash you put out is what you're going to pay. But I think we have structured
a system through the process in getting feedback and going -- having the information of
our services -- a hearing that Steve held, to e-mail, to the town halls, to the other
meetings we have had, that we have been able to refine this over a period of time that
think it comes into where -- to where it's acceptable and I think very fair and something
that people can actually reduce their trash rates if they recycle and -- and do that. It
was interesting, the job issue. I read an interesting story just today. It was fascinating
to read that when the railroad started to develop in this country the canal companies
and the barge -- and the people around the barges came to Congress and they said you
have got to do something to protect our jobs, because you're going to lay off the
harness makers, the horse-shoers, the barge people, the people who have had to raise
the bridges and they laid off the economy arguments of why the railroad should not be
allowed to move forward in this country, because of the economic loss of jobs by -- by
these barges and all the canal systems in our country and from an economic
perspective, that's -- oh, you're right, they were going to lay off tens of thousands of
people, that the railroads took away business and that's -- and they were right, but that
was technology and that was advancement and that's what's happening here. There
are going to be some changes and there are going to be some shifts and that's
something that occurs every day in our -- in our history of this country, is we are always
looking for more efficiencies and a way to keep costs down and in the long run that's
good, because if we are recycling, we are keeping costs down, we are extending the
landfill life, that is keeping our costs down for each one of us, whether it's a power,
whether it's a sewer plant, whether it's a landfill, if we don't have to build another one,
we are going to keep our rates as low as possible for as long as possible, because
those things are very, very expensive and I think that's -- that's an important component
to remember in this whole thing. Thanks.
De Weerd: Anything further from Council?
Bird: I have nothing,
De Weerd: Okay.
Rountree: Madam Mayor, question for Mr. Nary. Is this an ordinance or resolution or
both?
Nary: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, Council Member Rountree, this -- this
particular portion would be a resolution. We would -- if Council approves the rates, we
would bring a resolution back establishing those rates. You will, then, like I said, by the
end of this month have the ordinance in front of you. One of the things that was brought
up tonight -- we will have a discussion with Mr. Sedlacek about the voluntary returns.
We have had that discussion at the Solid Waste Committee, on how many returns --
how often can we do this. It is an administrative cost to continually change the rate
that's charged to individual households. So, we have had a discussion previously at
Solid Waste on whether or not that's a once a year thing or is it twice a year you can do
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that. So, we didn't want people just continuously having -- you know, whether they were
bringing it themselves or having Solid Waste -- or I mean SSC bring it out, it's still a cost
and it's an administrative cost, as well as their personnel costs. But at the end of this
month you will see an ordinance draft for your review with the changes. Again, one of
the things that has to change, obviously, is the collection, but there is other particular
specifics that need to change in the ordinance. The weight limits and those kind of
things, some of that has to change. So, that will be in ordinance form. This will just be
a resolution.
De Weerd: Mr. Nary.
Nary: Yes, ma'am.
De Weerd: I guess we also talked about the spring clean up and I know that's nine
months away and we have got that issue for this year, but I do think if the Solid Waste
Committee can, please, bring that up, so that we can put it on an annual calendar and
make sure that it is noted it's part of the rate system.
Nary: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, we can -- we don't have a current
meeting scheduled. We can get a meeting scheduled. We kind of wanted to wait until
the transition happened and, then, have a meeting, we will add that to the agenda. One
of the reasons that I know that the Council all knows this, but maybe the public doesn't
-- part of the reason that he's able to offer that leaf recycling is because the landfill will
take that at no cost either. So, there is no cost, other than the pick up for that. They
don't offer that in the spring, so we will have to, obviously, visit with Mr. Sedlacek about
the cost and can they absorb that cost or is there going to be some way to charge for it
if it's necessary. But all of that would come back in front of you for an approval either
way. So, we will add this in the agenda for discussion and look at the numbers and the
cost of doing those things.
De Weerd: Mr. Nary, I guess I would also like to suggest that the Solid Waste
Committee looks at it -- we have established quite a database of e-mail and as the
landfill looks at increasing their rates we need to do a better job at getting that
information out, so the public knows there is maybe a less -- a less obvious layer of cost
influences to that and we need to get that out, so they have a voice at the county level
as those rate increases are considered.
Nary: Absolutely.
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: That's an excellent point. Having said that, I would move that we approve
the proposed rate structure as presented this evening for Sanitary Services and we
instruct staff to prepare a resolution to that effect.
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Hoaglun: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second. Do I have any discussion?
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: Deleting that one line from the proposal that there is no one dollar per can
extra waste on collection day.
Rountree: I think that's -- that's a given, given our previous decision, but yes.
De Weerd: Second agrees?
Hoaglun: Second.
De Weerd: Okay. Any further discussion? Madam Clerk, will you, please, call roll.
Roll -Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, yea; Zaremba, yea; Hoaglun, yea.
De Weerd: All ayes. Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Item 11: Department Reports.
A. Resolution No. 10-722: A Resolution of the Mayor and City
Council of the City of Meridian Re -Appointing Steve Turney to
Seat 1, Walter Lindgren to Seat 2, Frank Thomason to Seat 3,
and Tom Hammond to Seat 4 of the Meridian Historic
Preservation Commission
De Weerd: Okay. Item 11 under Department Reports we have Resolution 10-722.
This resolution is to reappoint three of our commissioners on the historic preservation
commission. These are, again, reappointments to members currently serving whose
seats have expired. I would ask Council if you have any questions.
Bird: I have none.
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: I move that we approve Resolution 10-722.
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Bird: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to approve the resolution. If there is no
discussion, Madam Clerk, will you call roll.
Roll -Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, yea; Zaremba, yea; Hoaglun, yea.
De Weerd: All ayes. Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
B. Public Works Department: Verbal Request from Ron Carroll,
at 1822 E. Bluetick Street, to Connect a Private Well to his
House as an Alternative Water Source
De Weerd: Item 11-B is our Public Works Department. I'll turn this over to Mr. Radek.
Radek: Madam Mayor, Council Members, thank you. This item is a request from Ron
Carroll to connect a private well to his house as an alternative water source. We have
in our audience Rob Whitney from the Idaho Department of Water Resources and
Dennis from our building services plumbing inspection team and also Mr. Carroll and we
are recommending denial of this request, but to start the item we would recommend that
we give Mr. Carroll an opportunity to speak.
De Weerd: Thank you, Mr. Carroll. Good evening. Thank you joining us. Please state
your name and address for the record.
Carroll: My name is Ron Carroll and my address 1822 East Blue Tick Street, Meridian.
De Weerd: Thank you.
Carroll: Madam Mayor and Members of the Council. My purpose of my request is that
have been wanting to -- or I am in the process of making some refinements or
improvements on my property that will take care of my wife and myself and my family in
potential hard times or adverse situations that could potentially come and included with
those -- well, as you know when you're trying to survive in a survival mode, you need
oxygen, water, shelter and food and I am currently addressing the issue of water and
so, you know, I'm currently connected to the City of Meridian's water and I want to
continue to be connected with the City of Meridian water, because I think alternatives
are good. But what happens if something -- if the City of Meridian were unable to
provide me with water, I wouldn't be able to survive for very long without water and so I
have a well and I understand that connecting a well system and the city system is
problematic, so I'm not asking for that as far as the water system goes. I'm asking for
my well water to be able to be in a separate pipe, separate system from my city water,
to have a sink in my house that can have the water from my well coming to it. My well is
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also going to be used for my sprinkler system for a backup for that also. And my
garden. But -- and the city is fine. My understanding. is that it's fine for me to have my
well and to have the water outside of my house. But to bring it inside of my house is an
issue and the issue, as I see it, is -- at least as I understand it, is that the problem is in
charging me for the water that goes into the sewer and I don't -- I am not asking for
anything for free. I'm happy to pay for the service that the city would provide for me to
let my -- a little bit of my well water that comes in my sink to go down to the sewer. The
problem is they don't have a rate structure or a way of charging me for that and what I
would propose or request is that you pass a -- I don't know what you call them --
resolution or an ordinance or whatever it needs to be to just set a rate and say, okay,
we are going to charge you this much for a hookup and we are going to charge you this
much monthly rate to let your water from your well that goes in your sink to -- they will
charge me so much per month. My current full monthly bill for the sewer, at least for the
April bill that I just received a few weeks ago, my sewer charge was 28.28 -- $28.28.
And I am not financially compromised and I'm not asking for anything for free. I'm
willing to pay a reasonable set rate for my privilege to have myself being protected, so
that I can have water if there was a time of need. And to my -- my request, I read into
the mission statement of the City of Meridian, the mission statement says that it's an
innovative planning team that advances the quality, lifestyle, and economy envisioned
by a Comprehensive Plan. So, this is -- for my quality of my lifestyle that I'm wanting to
sustain myself with. Also, with the proclamation that you read earlier this evening with
regard to the Building Safety Month, you said that you -- it was for safe, energy efficient,
and sustainability. And I want my home to be a safe, sustainable place for my wife
Beatrice and I to survive if there were to be adverse situations that -- that potentially
could come our way and so I am respectfully submitting my request that you put into
place some kind of billing structure that I can have the service that I'm requesting.
De Weerd: Thank you. Council, do you have any questions?
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: Mr. Carroll, what -- what do you foresee as a problem that we could have within
the city water system that -- that you wouldn't have in your private well? Because if we
lose electricity, we I think have got backup generators on quite a few of ours. If you lose
-- if we lose electricity, you lose yours, unless you have got a backup --
Carroll: Solar power is available.
Bird: -- a backup power source. So, I really -- I can't -- I guess I don't understand why
you -- why you're thinking your safety is not there with our water, that you have to have
a backup source.
Carroll: Can I respond?
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De Weerd: Yes, please.
Carroll: And Councilman Rountree or -- or Rountree --
Carroll: What?
Rountree: He's Bird.
Carroll: Oh, you're Keith Bird. Excuse me. I got my signs mixed up. That helps a little.
I'm not worried about the safety of the city water. And as far as energy to pump my
well, I'm have a solar panel that can pump the well, even if there is no electricity. But
what would happen if some terrorist or whatever wanted to contaminate your well
process or what happens if there was a -- some sort of breakdown of the structure
within the system that you weren't able to provide it? I don't know what that might be,
but potentially something could happen in that regard. I just want to be able to be self-
sufficient, take care of myself in case there was that problem. You know, some people
have desire to have food storage in their homes to last for six months to a year. Well,
there is Albertsons and there is Winco, well, why -- what's the problem, you know, and if
they can't -- so, anyway, you know, people just want to be prepared for tragedy or
adverse situation and water is, actually, more precious than food when it comes to an
adverse survival mode.
Hoaglun: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Question. Mr. Carroll, I was kind of curious -- I'm in a situation where I have a
well on my property, because we used to be a farm and that was where we got our
drinking water from on the ranch many years ago and we connected to city services --
that had to have been -- that had to be completely severed, because of --
Carroll: Right.
Hoaglun: -- contamination. But I still have that well and I still can access it and that sort
of thing and so I'm of the mind set that, well, if there ever were -- in the unlikely event of
a disaster -- natural disaster or something and I don't have water, I have access to
water, but I'm curious why do you want to connect it to your house, because I'm in a
situation where if I have the emergency I have got access to water -- as you say, that's
a necessary commodity, but I don't feel the need to connect it to my house, because I --
I'm covered. Yeah, it might be more work to move things around with a hose or pail and
that sort of thing, but why do you want to connect it to your house? I mean you got the
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access, you have got the water, you can provide if there is an emergency, what's the
need to connect to the house?
Carroll: You just mentioned that, yes, it would be a lot more difficult to get a hose --
hose it through or to carry buckets or whatever and it's really for convenience of having
-- having -- having the water available that I can drink. And it's not like I'm asking this
for free. You know, I'm willing to have you just set a rate and I pay the fee. I mean it's
not really that I'm requesting something that's going to be a burden or a problem. It
seems to me that it's a reasonable request that I'm willing to pay for.
De Weerd: Anything further? Any other questions? Thank you.
Barry: Madam Mayor and Members of the Council, we appreciate Mr. Carroll's request
and we have evaluated that on a staff level and I have also been consulted, we have
consulted the legal department and other staff inside the city as well. And we
appreciate his desire to be self sufficient and we think that's a very interesting and
certainly admirable position to be in. However, his proposal does not meet our
requirements under city code. Specifically it's in violation of UDC 11 -3A -21C, which
says that all developments shall be connected to the City of Meridian water and sewer
systems unless otherwise approved by the city engineer and, more importantly, it's in
violation of City Code Section 9-4 -- or, excuse me, 9-1-4, which prohibits connection of
private water systems to buildings where city water is available. When we evaluated
this we offered to Mr. Carroll an alternative, which was to -- well, first of all, I should go
on the record and say that contrary to his statements the city is not happy with having a
separate private water well being drilled on parcels around the city where city water is
available. We see that as a potentially compromising water quality situation and the
parcel that we are dealing with here you should know is approximately one-fifth of an
acre and have access to city water, access to pressurized irrigation with a backup
source through the HOA, connection to city water for shoulder seasons and others. So,
we don't -- we don't advise or support private homeowners in drilling their own drinking
water wells, because of the water quality risk and certainly the connection of it to the
house is very disconcerting because of the violations that would create with regard to
existing city code. In addition, we believe that this would -- if the Council should
approve it, set a precedent which would allow for these kinds of things potentially to
occur more frequently in the future, although it is pretty -- as Mr. Carroll I'm sure can
attest, a costly endeavor and as it relates to being able to figure out a rate for his usage
-- that's actually pretty straight forward for us and we just apply our -- just put a meter on
his system and apply that meter to usage within the house. But that's not our big
concern. Our big concern is that this request violates city code and for the other
reasons I have mentioned. Now, the alternative that we proposed to him was that
because the well is already drilled, which we would prefer it not to have been drilled, but
we have no jurisdiction in that regard, he's wanting to use it for the sort -- the variety of
reasons he said and one of the ways that we thought that we could at least be more
amenable to his safety and security issues associated with in bad times is for him to just
put a yard spigot out and keep it separate from the building, which is something we can
do under code, is allow him to put yard spigot and, then, just as Mr. Hoaglun has
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mentioned, he could ferry water in buckets or a hose or something in time of emergency
or crisis or whatnot, but that was not acceptable to Mr. Carroll and he wanted to have an
audience with the City Council, which is why we are here this evening. Mr. Radek is our
assistant city engineer. If I have missed anything or you have anything else to add.
Radek: I guess I would just add, Madam Mayor and Council Members, is that the main
purpose of the code points that Mr. Barry cited is to avoid the cross -contamination
issues, which is our main concern, that although, you know, presumably we trust Mr.
Carroll not to make a cross -connection, we establish a precedent and if Mr. Carroll is
the only one that's ever going to live at that house, probably not, in the opinion of most
of the Public Works staff and, you know, particularly the water superintendent that a
cross -connection would happen and any cross -connection is -- is an opportunity for
contamination of the system. So, with that I would guess I would remind you that we
have Dennis from plumbing if you -- if the Council wishes to ask any questions in that
regard and Rob from the Idaho Department of Water Resources, who is the agency that
permits the construction of wells.
Bird: Madam Mayor --
Rountree: Hear from water resources.
Zaremba: I would be curious to hear how somebody acquires the water right. Anybody
can poke a hole in the ground, but do they have the right to pull water.
Radek: Mr. Whitney has graciously sat through the whole Council meeting and it's
appropriate that he gets his chance to talk now, so --
De Weerd: Thank you for joining us. If you will state your name.
Whitney: My name is Rob Whitney. I work for the Idaho Department of Water
Resources. I'm housed at 2735 Airport Way in Boise.
De Weerd: Thank you.
Whitney: Madam Mayor and Members of the Council, thank you for inviting me. I
guess I would entertain questions from you regarding our regulations and how an
individual may install a private well.
Hoaglun: Madam Mayor, I would like to know how -- how does that process work? I
was under the impression that to do that was extremely difficult, but -- in terms of getting
permits and approvals and the water rights issues and all these types of things. Can you
kind of walk --
Whitney: Sure.
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Hoaglun: -- quickly walk me through that? It doesn't have to be long and involved, but
kind of a brief thumbnail sketch of how that's done and why?
De Weerd: You know, in particular where there is a municipal system.
Whitney: Okay. Councilman Hoaglun, Madam Mayor, and Councilmen. Idaho water
law exempts specifically in statute domestic uses from mandatory water right
requirements. Domestic use is defined in state law as water for homes, organization
camps, public campgrounds, livestock or any purposes connected with those features.
In this case we will talk about a residential home. The permitting process -- so, to
establish an exempt water right that is through beneficial use of the water. So, in order
to establish that right you have to drill the well -- that exemption doesn't apply to a
surface water source, only to a groundwater source or a well. So, establishment of that
right is predicated upon installing a well and use of that water. Our permitting process
for construction of wells is to obtain a drilling permit for domestic use from the
Department of Water Resources. In this particular case our process to permit a single
family residential well is what we have termed a start card, so we require a fee, that
statutory fee is 75 dollars for the permit, and the well driller can submit this start card to
the department prior to constructing the well. So, as long as we have that start card in
they are authorized to drill that well within the limitations and conditions of that particular
permit. So, while the approval is somewhat automatic, there still is baggage that comes
with that approval. I guess I can leave for the record some of those -- some of those
conditions, but mainly those are to comply with any local, city government, county
government requirement or ordinance that that is a condition of approval of a drilling
permit or start card in this particular case.
Hoaglun: So, to clarify -- in my mind, to clarify, Madam Mayor, a well permit is given,
even though they are on city water, because it's for domestic use that permit is -- will
likely be give, there is no reason to deny.
Whitney: That's correct.
Hoaglun: Okay.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor. Except that he would be in violation of his permit if he
hooked it up to his house, because the city ordinance says he can't do that. And the
permit says he has to comply with city ordinances. Convoluted, but -- right?
Whitney: And, then, we talk about how to -- you know, the enforcement of a violation of
the condition of the permit. If we have an official determination by some entity that says
they violated this condition, we may be able to proceed with some type of joint
enforcement with that agency.
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
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Rountree: The obvious question that's not been asked is has a permit been requested
and given for this particular --
Whitney: It has. I do have a copy of that start card here. I did check that out after
receiving the phone call from the staff and we have a drilling permit or a start card that
was -- was filed. The well was drilled by a licensed well driller and the proper well
drillers report was submitted to the department.
De Weerd: I guess I have a longer term concern here, is, you know, this hasn't
happened frequently. I think the concern is that it could and this -- it might set a
precedent, but my concern is domestic wells are unregulated in terms of the
extraordinary requirement that municipalities have in protecting the casing and anything
reaching into the aquifer, it's been a discussion long term with Department of Water
Resources domestic wells and the contamination potential that they have, because they
don't have the same requirements of protecting that water source and keeping
contamination out of the fissions and fissures or I don't know what all those words are,
technical, but we know it moves through the aquifer and can contaminate city sources.
mean your concern, Mr. Carroll, is you might have a contaminated water city source, but
all of these little domestic wells can add to that contamination and so I'm confused of
why department of resources -- water resources is -- is allowing these drillings in areas
that have a source of water with the potential hazards that they cause long term. Did I
state that with any sense to it at all?
Whitney: Madam Mayor, you did fine.
De Weerd: Thank you. That is not debatable.
Whitney: I understand these scenarios very much myself having been involved with
well construction for many, many years and I have worked closely with a consultant that
designed wells for cities, Meridian in particular. I'm very aware of well construction
standards. I'm might add that we are a giant leap closer to having standardized the
construction of domestic wells with respect to the construction of municipal wells.
Municipal wells may have other requirement for construction and design of the water
system as they are regulated as a public water system through the DEQ. There is
testing requirements. However, we adopted new well construction standards the last
legislative session. So, about a year ago. And from my involvement for 15 years in that
process and it finally came about, our standard of well construction for domestic wells is
much higher than it has been.
De Weerd: But not quite there.
Whitney: We have had these discussions about should the state allow construction of
an exempt domestic well or, for that matter, any other well in an area that is serviced by
a community or municipal supply. We have heard arguments on every side of that
fence from the public who says they have a right to a domestic well, according to their
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interpretation of the Idaho constitution. You know, these discussions have gone on with
our legal counsel and, of course, I'm the messenger and we continue to freely issue
permits for domestic wells, it's one thing that, you know, we do have concerns about
setbacks from sewer lines and sources of contamination and want to keep an eye on
how these wells are constructed, make sure they are constructed to the highest
standard we can hold them to. But our -- from what I know, our legal counsel doesn't
feel that we can not approve a permit. Now, there -- there are -- any action that the
department takes to approve or deny something is subject to due process. So, there is
an objection period to object to any -- in other words, a drilling permit may be approved,
but it has to be treated as preliminary for I think 14 days and so there are processes by
which some approval could be objected to. But in the event that a city or a county
proposed an ordinance in certain areas that they prohibited the installation of any type
of well -- and I have seen this done in other counties. Gem County, for example, has
restrictions on drilling wells within the city limits. They allow a shallow well in the city
limits for use in a yard. Now, when I issue the drilling permit I don't ask those questions,
because it's an exempt domestic well. But if they drill it in the city and the city has an
ordinance against it, then, they may be required to plug that well. So, we haven't -- the
department hasn't got in the way of the process by which somebody can obtain a drilling
permit to install an exempt domestic well.
De Weerd: But that citizen may not be familiar with the local ordinances and the
department is not suggesting that they drill their wall and, then, the city comes and says
you have to plug it, that doesn't seem -- we know who the bad guy is going to be.
Whitney: It's not us.
De Weerd: Probably not. Probably not.
Whitney: Perhaps there was some strategy there, too.
De Weerd: Oh. Okay.
Whitney: Well, yeah, I do understand this. I think the department's position at this
point, we haven't concluded that there are any areas at this point where we can actually
or do deny a drilling permit for an exempt well. We try to condition those permits to
cover as much -- you know, our main objective as a department in this particular arena
of well construction is to protect the groundwater from waste and contamination. We
have been asked to protect -- to deny a domestic drilling permit based on fiscal issues
that may result from people disconnecting from a community supply, not necessarily of
a municipal place such as yours, but say a smaller subdivision that had 30 residences
on a well and we have seen this time and time again where the people that are hooked
to the well don't get the service that they think they are paying for, want, need. They
begin to drill their own wells and, then, the financial resources to support that system
diminish to the point they can't keep it up, then, they are in trouble with DEQ, because
the system fails and while we understand those things, our scope is limited to water
rights and protection of the groundwater through regulation of well construction. So, I
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guess you're seeing a problem with that system to some extent or potential and there
may be room to address those issues down the road, but I think where we are at right
now to me, as far as, you know, the construction of this particular well -- and I -- I guess
when I agreed to come and talk I didn't know that it would be so specific to this exact
project, but, you know, everything was done correctly as according to what we know at
this point. Now --
De Weerd: I guess my question is not necessarily -- and, I'm sorry, Mr. Carroll, if I go
off on a side bar, but my question here is in relation to your broader scope in protecting
the groundwater. If you're poking a lot of holes in it is that really protecting it, if there is -
- if there is the deep water wells that are better for the system, instead of a bunch of
holes. I guess I don't want to take away individual rights, but when individual rights
have an effect on the greater whole, then, it does -- it's a protection of that groundwater.
So, I guess I don't understand the thought process when there is a municipal system
and the integrity of that system is kept better when there is less holes in the ground. I
don't know. I am not a water geologist, thank God.
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Maybe you are.
Rountree: An explanation. You're dealing with Rob, who is an agency individual who is
exercising ordinances and rules and regulations that have been promulgated by the
state legislature and I needn't say anymore.
De Weerd: Is there a communication tool, though, that when a permit is taken out that
the municipality knows that, so if there is a 14 day period that they can contest it and
say it doesn't fit with your ordinance? How do we ever know a permit is taken out?
Rountree: We don't.
Whitney: Madam Mayor, I think our agency is -- we have been interested in intra -
agency coordination with local governments. DEQ, for example. I think something like
this can initiate some of that -- that dialogue that I can take back to the section manager
that -- I work on a regional basis, however, I do help throughout the state and the
manager of the section -- this is something that we -- we have discussed and maybe it's
time to bring it up again. With respect to your concerns about holes in the ground, if
every hole that goes into the ground absolutely has some potential if not properly
constructed, to be in an avenue that could conduct or further contamination that may
occur around that well or contamination that may already exist in the sub surface. My
responsibility as the on-site person to try to get to as many jobs as I can to make sure
that in the construction of those wells that that doesn't occur and that's the basis of our
rules and it was one of the main bases for the rewrite of those well construction
standards. So, if it gives you any peace at all, these wells are constructed and this
particular well, actually, was -- was constructed -- we implemented -- our director
agreed to implement the new well construction standards as of the 1st of July. The
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drillers report here for Mr. Carroll's well shows a start date of June 4, which, basically,
would have allowed the driller to construct that well to the lesser standard that was in
place before and I notice here on the well log that that was not done, he actually
employed a higher standard that was required by the new regulations in the
construction of this particular well. I see many of these wells go in in the city of Boise
on very small lots for yards, little 5,000 acre yards, believe it or not, but somebody
thinks it pencils to put in a well to -- to water the lawn. So, we have these internal
discussions about should there be some sort of a quota for areas where domestic wells
should not be drilled and especially related to areas that are serviced by some other
type of water. But, ultimately, that will be a decision -- policy decision that will be made
by the director of the department and I certainly, you know, bring your concerns up and
know that the people that have worked with the City of Meridian and the wells that you
have drilled -- and I have been involved, you know, with many of those myself, that the
consultant that works on a lot of those wells is his concern as well and, you know, we
can initiate some dialogue there. I don't -- I don't know where it will go, but -- and
ultimately this is a higher level than myself.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes, Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: I just am thinking about the global picture, not necessarily just this one well,
but I agree that it's important to preserve personal freedoms. On the other hand, the
person makes the choice when they move to an urban area that there are some
freedoms that they are not going to exercise fully. For instance, in an urban area it
probably isn't proper to practice your bugle at 2:00 o'clock in the morning, if you play
that instrument, or there is zoning that says it's not proper to build a cement factory in a
residential district. It would seem like this is another one of those choices that when you
move to an area or the area comes to you, that is an urban area, you aren't quit as free
to do your own thing as if you live farther and farther from that urban area and in the
future exploration of whether there might be a place where well permits were not given.
I'd just like to have that thought of, that perhaps that's not a freedom that should be
allowed in an urban area. Personal opinion.
De Weerd: Anything further from Council? Thank you.
Whitney: Thank you.
De Weerd: I know you're the messenger.
Whitney: Well, I hope you got the answers that you got, not necessarily the ones you
wanted.
De Weerd: We did.
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Hoaglun: Madam Mayor, that's one thing about -- I like to look forward to is I always
manage to learn something new, so --
De Weerd: Council, did you have any other questions for staff or --
Rountree: I have none.
Bird: I have none.
De Weerd: Would you like to comment? Yes. Oh, there is my baby. Isn't he cute?
Carroll: Well, thank you for that little brief little moment there.
De Weerd: Yes.
Carroll: Okay. I have made some notes and I am -- hopefully I can talk coherently with
regard to some of these issues that were brought up. First of all, I'm not -- I wasn't
intending to cause a contamination issue. I wasn't really aware that that was going to
do that.
De Weerd: No. That was just my --
Carroll: I know. I know. I just want you to know that I didn't even really know that that
was a possibility and so I -- I wasn't trying to create a problem. But I did want to make
sure that I hired a reputable well driller who would do a good job and as he mentioned
that he did do it to the higher standard, even though he didn't have to and make it a
good well, because I told him I wanted to make it be a safe, good thing. And I was
interested in preserving the environment along with all of you. So, anyway, I -- I'm glad
that he outlines the -- that my well driller did go through the proper channels to get the
permit and do what he did. And as far as other people doing this, I don't know that it's
very likely, because it's got -- I have got like 15,000 dollars into this process. So, I mean
how many people are going to go out and spend 15,000 dollars to do this? I don't know.
But the violation of the ordinance that you spoke about, it was my understanding of it,
when I read it, was that I wasn't supposed to hook a well system to the city system in
my house. That's what I thought the ordinance is saying. You're shaking your head no.
Can you -- do you have it to read it to me, so --
Nary: That's incorrect. It requires that all domestic services be provided by the city if
it's available. So, it isn't just that you can't -- you have to have the city's water provided
and you can't use anything else. If you had a domestic -- if you had a well system in
your house and you annex into the city, then, you would be required to unhook that and
hook up to the city system.
Carroll: And I am hooked to the city system.
Nary: Right.
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Carroll: And I --
Nary: But you can't have a secondary source.
Carroll: But it wouldn't be connected.
Nary: You can't have a secondary source to the house when you're in the city. You can
only have the city as a domestic provider of water. And if the Council were to allow this,
they would have to repeal that ordinance and allow everyone in the city to do this if they
chose.
Carroll: Okay. So, my first -- so, I -- I wasn't clear on that. My understanding was that it
was that I wasn't supposed to connect to the city system and so I was envisioning a
separate -- a separate -- my well to be separate from the city. That's what I was
envisioning. But if you're telling me that -- that it's not allowable -- that the ordinance
says that I can't bring it to my house, then, the choice that they were saying of having a
spigot outside my house is -- is an option that I can -- I guess I can do and still survive
and it's just not going to be as convenient or as nice. But it would be something that I
could still survive with and --
Hoaglun: And, Mr. Carroll -- and I'm recalling when we built our house on the farm
property, we tore down the old farm house, built the new one and, then, when we got
annexed into the city we had to severe that connection to the house and my wife said,
oh, it would be nice to have this -- you know, one of those big tubs in the garage, you
know, because sometimes you got things to clean and different things and in checking
with the inspectors, we couldn't run that even just to that and I think that's what you
were looking at is to even just run it to the house to that one sink to have that tub of
water for -- in her mind, she has lots of crappy stuff and different things, you know, she
makes a mess in a lot of areas, but we couldn't even go there, because that was
connecting it to the house and not necessarily into the water system, but just into the
house. So, that's -- we had to keep it completely separate. So, as Mr. Nary pointed out,
that's what the ordinance requires, so we -- and I wasn't even on City Council, then,
wasn't even thinking about that. So, had to follow the ordinance and that's what we did,
so -- we still have that spigot and access and everything else, so I have to do other
things, so -- and that's -- we make do.
Nary: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Nary.
Nary: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council. Mr. Carroll, what our code says -- and I
will just read the one that's applicable to your situation, but the owner or occupant of any
house, building, or property used for residential uses or any other purpose situated
within the city is hereby required to cease using any other water system at his expense
and connect such building directly with city water in accordance with the provisions of
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this chapter, as long as city water
building is to be served or located.
could have an alternative source.
city.
is within 300 feet of any property line where said
So, it's not that you can't -- your belief was that you
Our code prohibits any other source other than the
Carroll: So, can I ask a question? What if I have a Culligan deal or whatever -- water
disposal and I get this five gallon tank that -- and I put that water system in my house,
that's an alternative water system, other than the city's. Is that not -- is that prohibited
also?
Nary: You mean if you bring bottled water in your house?
Carroll: Yes.
Nary: That's not a water system as defined by the city code. You can go bring in
bottles of water into your house. That's not an issue. It's a water system that serves a
domestic use for the house. That's what you're wanting to do and that's what our code
prohibits.
Carroll: Well -- and so, then, I'm -- it's not likely that I'm going to get you to change the
ordinance. I realize that. I'm a reasonable person. And so I guess if you're willing to
say that I can use my well to have a spigot by the side of my house and to potentially
use for my sprinkler system also, then -- then, that's what I want to request and --
De Weerd: I think that's allowed by ordinance.
Nary: That's already allowed.
Carroll: Okay. Then, if that's already allowed, then, your question about if -- then, if I
can drill a well and had a spigot outside my house for my domestic use outside, then,
I'm not in violation of the well driller permit laws, I have a right to do that.
Zaremba: That would be correct. Yeah.
Bird: As long as it don't hook to a house.
Zaremba: Yeah.
Carroll: So, then, you're telling me I don't even really need your permission to do that?
Hoaglun: You're good to go. And the good thing is if the Mayor has her way, it sounds
like you won't be able to -- people won't be able to drill wells in the future, maybe, and
you got grandfather rights and --
De Weerd: I was just asking about long term --
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Hoaglun: Yeah. You're grandfathered in and so you got a -- you got a well on your
property that you have got, so --
Carroll: And wanted you to also know that -- maybe I don't know if I should even say
this. Just to let you know I have integrity about this whole issue. There have been
people who told me, well, you don't have to say anything, you can just like, you know,
do this and, then, do that and like -- and make it happen and nobody is going to really
going to know, but -- and I -- and maybe potentially I could have done that, but that was
not what I wanted to do. And that's why I have gone through the proper channels to get
permission to do the right thing. And so I want you to know that that was my thinking
about this whole process and so I'm appreciating your time and I hope that you didn't
feel like I was wasting your time, but I was doing it because I was wanting to accomplish
something for my purposes and I was wanting to do it in legitimate channels and that's
why I have taken the time to this evening to do all this.
Rountree: And thank you. We appreciate that.
De Weerd: We appreciate that.
Hoaglun: And, Madam Mayor, just a comment. And, really, you know, a lot of these
things we get, you know, they sound reasonable, but looking long term where we can
trust your integrity, it's the people who come after you, as Mr. Barry mentioned, other
people do other things and they make changes that they shouldn't make that affects
public safety and that's -- that's the part that we have to keep in mind. You and I may
agree and you're not going to do this and you will be bound by it. That's great, but,
then, the person who comes along after you, we don't know what they are going to do
and that's -- that's where we have -- that's where the issue becomes a problem.
Carroll: But in my mind the truth is somebody comes after me -- I'm going to live in that
house until I die and I'm going to live way past a hundred and I'm only 56, so it's going
to be a long time. But may be 50 years or a hundred years from now somebody -- if
there is a spigot right outside my house, as well as a line there, and whether it's like in
my house or right next to my house, if somebody wanted to do that, it's not going to be
any really difference in my mind.
Hoaglun: And just a comment, Madam Mayor. You know, we do appreciate people
who want make sure they are -- they are responsible for their things and that's --
sometimes we see too little of that. So, I just want to thank you for doing what you think
is the right thing to do and want to be prepared and, like I said, sometime we see too
little of that.
Carroll: Thank you.
Zaremba: And I want to say I appreciate your bringing it up. We have new things all
the time that we need to discuss and think about and I certainly appreciate your
concern. I hope you never ever have to use it and if you ever do that you only need it
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for a very short time. Because certainly the city -- if we ever are out of production the
city will do everything we can to get back into production as fast as we can, but I
appreciate your bringing it up.
Carroll: I'm a physician and I know that like sometimes there have been issues where
people purposely -- like for terrorist purposes can contaminate water with some
bacterial or some kind of like crypto's or, you know, some kind of organism into the
water system, could be a big problem and it could be difficult to clear up and so -- I
mean I don't -- I don't want to envision something like that, I want to be like you and
think that it's never going to be the case and so, anyway, I appreciate your time and I
guess I learned a lot tonight.
De Weerd: We did, too. And I appreciate that you are doing over and above. I know
when we dug our well where there wasn't a municipal system, we encased -- fully
encased ours to municipal standards, because I do believe in the integrity of not only
my well, but everything around it as well. So, I appreciate learning about you going the
extra step. Appreciate that.
Carroll: Thank you.
De Weerd: Okay. I guess, Mr. Nary, do we have to deny this or just --
Nary: Yes. Make your motion and -- you have a request before the Council, you would
have to make a decision and make a motion.
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: I move that we instruct staff to work with Mr. Carroll on the establishment of
an external water delivery system from his well and that not to approve the request to
have the well connected within the house and provide an alternative water source.
Bird: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second. Any discussion? Madam clerk.
Roll -Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, yea; Zaremba, yea; Hoaglun, yea.
De Weerd: All ayes.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Item 12: Amended onto the Agenda: Executive Session per Idaho State Code
67-2345 (1) (c) - To Conduct Deliberations Concerning Labor
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Negotiations or to Acquire an Interest in Real Property, Which is not
Owned by a Public Agency
De Weerd: Item 12 is an Executive Session. I would entertain a motion.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I move we go into Executive Session as per Idaho State Code 67-2345(1)(c).
Rountree: Second.
De Weerd: Roll call, please.
Roll -Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, yea; Zaremba, yea; Hoaglun, yea.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
EXECUTIVE SESSION: (9:58 p.m. to 11:04 p.m. )
Rountree: Are we recording?
Bird: Oh.
Rountree: Second.
De Weerd: All those in favor say aye? All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Rountree: Move we adjourn.
Bird: Second.
Hoaglun: Second.
De Weerd: All those in favor?
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
De Weerd: Thank you.
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 11:05 P.M.
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Mayor Tammy de Weerd
1City Council Members:
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Brad Hoaglun
IDAHO Charles Rountree
David Zaremba
OFFICIAL OATH OF OFFICE
I, Mark Niemeyer do solemnly swear that I will support the
Constitution of the United States, and the Constitution of the State of Idaho,
and the Laws and Ordinances of the City of Meridian, Idaho and that I will
to the best of my ability, faithfully perform the duties of the office of Fire
Chief for the City of Meridian, Idaho, during my continuance therein, so
help me God. �-
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Subscribed and sworn to before me
This 4th day of May, 2010.
Tammy de eerd
Mayor qty of Meridian
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ITEM TITLE:
New Beer and Wine License Application for Brewtopia Beer Market Inc. dba Brewforia
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TO: Mayor Tammy de Weerd
Members of the City Council
FROM: Denny Cline
DATE: 4122110
SUBJECT: Sanitary Sewer Main Easement - Diamond View Assisted Living
I. RECOMMENDED ACTION
A. Move to:
Mayor Tammy de Weerd
City Con"l Mmbem
Keith Bird
Brad Hoaalun
Charles Rountree
David Zaremba
1. Approve a Sewer Main Easement for the City of Meridian, located in the
parcel just east of the Diamond View Assisted Living parcel, by Joint School
District No.2. This easement provides The City of Meridian access to a new
sewer main being installed on the West side of the parcel, owned by Joint
School District No.2. This sewer main will be connected to proposed facilities
from the north and extended to Diamond View Assisted Living property, to
provide service for their facilities.
2. Authorize the Mayor to sign the easement and the City Clerk to attest it.
H. DEPARTMENT CONTACT PERSONS
Tom Barry, Director of Public Works
Bruce Freckleton, Development Services Manager
Scott Steckline, Land Development Supervisor
Denny Cline, Development Analyst II
Supervisor Approval
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DEPUTY Randy Jennings III I'II'll'II'lll'If IIIII'I'III'II�II
RECORDED -REQUEST OF 110042969
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SANITARY SEWER MAIN EASEMENT
THIS INDENT
made this 1 �'j day of �, , 20 between
the partie of the first part, and hereinafter called the
Grantors, and the City of Meridian, Ada County, Idaho, the party of the second part, and hereinafter
called the Grantee;
WITNESSETH:
WHEREAS, the Grantors desire to provide a sanitary sewer main right-of-way across the
premises and property hereinafter particularly bounded and described; and
WHEREAS, the sanitary sewer is to be provided for through an underground pipeline to be
constructed by others; and
WHEREAS, it will be necessary to maintain, service and subsequently connect to said
pipeline from time to time by the Grantee;
NOW, THEREFORE, in consideration of the benefits to be received by the Grantors, and
other good and valuable consideration, the Grantors do hereby give, grant and convey unto
the Grantee the right-of-way for an easement for the operation and maintenance of a sanitary
sewer main at the convenience of the Grantee over and across the following described
property:
(SEE ATTACHED EXHIBIT A and B)
The easement hereby granted is for the purpose of construction and operation of a sanitary
sewer main and its allied facilities, together with maintenance, repair, replacement and
subsequent connection thereto of sanitary sewer mains at the convenience of the Grantee,
with the free right of access to such facilities at any and all times.
TO HAVE AND TO HOLD, the said easement and right-of-way unto the said Grantee, it's
successors and assigns forever.
IT IS EXPRESSLY UNDERSTOOD AND AGREED, by and between the parties hereto,
that after making repairs performing other maintenance or making subsequent connection to
the sanitary sewer main, Grantee shall restore the area of the easement and adjacent property
to that existent prior to undertaking such repairs and maintenance. However, Grantee shall
not be responsible for repairing, replacing or restoring anything placed within the area
s--% described in this easement that was placed there in violation of this easement.
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THE GRANTORS hereby covenant and agree that they will not place or allow to be placed
any permanent structures, trees, brush, or perennial shrubs or flowers within the area
described for this easement, which would interfere with the use of said easement, for the
purposes stated herein.
THE GRANTORS hereby covenant and agree with the Grantee that should any part of the
right-of-way and easement hereby granted shall become part of, or lie within the boundaries
of any public street, then, to such extent, such right-of-way and easement hereby granted
which lies within such boundary thereof or which is a part thereof, shall cease and become
null and void and of no further effect and shall be completely relinquished.
THE GRANTORS do hereby covenant with the Grantee that they are lawfully seized and
possessed of the aforementioned and described tract of land, and that they have a good and
lawful right to convey said easement, and that they will warrant and forever defend the title
and quiet possession thereof against the lawful claims of all persons whomsoever.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the said parties of the fust part have hereunto subscribed their signatures
the day and year first herein above written.
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fist above written.
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and for said State, personally appeared TAMMY DE WEERD and JAYCEE L. HOLMAN, known to
'-` me to be the Mayor and City Clerk, respectively, of the City of Meridian, Idaho, and who executed
the within instrument, and acknowledged to me that the City of Meridian executed the same.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my official seal the day and year
first above written.
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This easement is situated in a portion of the SEI./4 of the SW 1/4 of Section 28, Township 3
North, Range 1 East of the Boise Meridian, Ada.County, Idaho and is more particularly
described as follows:
COMMENCING at a 5/8 -inch iron pin marking the southwest corner of said SWI/4 of the
SWIM, said point referenced in C.P.&F. Instrument No. 1663000966,. on file in the Office of the
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A) S.89017'05"E., 1330.27 feet to the southwest corner of said SEI/4 of the SWIA;thence
along the south boundary of said SE 1 A of the S W 1 /A,
1) S.89°17'05"E., 146:00 feet to a.point on the easterly boundary of a parcel
described in Instrument No. 108038540, on file in the Office of the Recorder, Ada
County; thence along said easterly boundary,
2) N.21047'34"W., 322.22 feet to the POINT OF BEGINNING; thence,
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west boundary of said SEI/4 of the SW1/4,
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the west boundary of said SE 1 /4 of the NW 1 /4,
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ITEM TITLE:
Acceptance Agreement for Display of Artwork in Initial Point Gallery with Roger
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ACCEPTANCE AGREEMENT:
DISPLAY OF ARTWORK IN INITIAL POINT GALLERY, MERIDIAN CITY HALL
This ACCEPTANCE AGREEMENT: DISPLAY OF ARTWORK IN INITIAL POINT
GALLERY, MERIDIAN CITY HALL ("Agreement") is made this y day of Aa T _, 2010
("Effective Date"), by and between the City of Meridian, a municipal corporation organized under the
laws of the State of Idaho ("City"), and Roger C. Lyngaas, an individual person whose address is
12713 W. Renwick Street, Boise, Idaho ("Artist"). (City and Artist may hereinafter be collectively
referred to as "Parties.")
WHEREAS, the City desires that public art will be a component of Meridian City Hall and to
that end, the Meridian Arts Commission issued the Call to Artists attached hereto as Exhibit A, seeking
proposals for the display of artwork in Initial Point Gallery, an art gallery on the third floor of Meridian
City Hall, the address of which is 33 E. Broadway Ave., Meridian, Idaho ("Initial Point Gallery");
WHEREAS, in response to the Call to Artists, Artist did submit a proposal, comprised of the
materials attached hereto as Exhibit B ("Proposal"), for the display of artwork in Initial Point Gallery;
WHEREAS, on December 3, 2009, the Meridian Arts Commission ("Commission") reviewed
the responses to the Call to Artists, selected Artist's work for display based on the Proposal, and
recommended to the Meridian City Council that Artist's artwork, as depicted in the Proposal, be
displayed in Initial Point Gallery;
WHEREAS, at its regular meeting on January 19, 2010, the Meridian City Council adopted
such recommendation and directed the Commission to work with Artist to establish a display of
Artist's artwork in Initial Point Gallery; and
WHEREAS, the Parties acknowledge that Meridian City Hall is primarily a place of public
business, that Initial Point Gallery is a public place, and that while the City seeks to encourage artistic
expression and public dialogue, the City must simultaneously ensure that Meridian City Hall is a place
where citizens, employees, and visitors of diverse ages and perspectives feel welcome and comfortable;
NOW, THEREFORE, for good and valuable consideration, the receipt and sufficiency of
which is hereby acknowledged and agreed, and in consideration of the mutual promises and covenants
herein contained, the Parties agree as follows:
I. SCOPE OF SERVICES.
Artist shall personally deliver to Initial Point Gallery, on April 23, 2010, at 9:00 a.m., or at such
time and date as is mutually agreed-upon by the Artist and the Gallery Curator, between thirty-two
(32) and forty (40) framed paintings, which pieces shall substantially conform to the description of
such artwork set forth in Exhibit B hereto. Artist shall be responsible for hanging such artwork on
April 23, 2010 at the direction of the Gallery Curator; shall allow the display of such work in Initial
Point Gallery from April 23, 2010 to May 19, 2010 in accordance with the terms of this
^ Agreement; and shall be responsible for removal of such artwork on May 19, 2010, at 9:00 a.m., or
at such time and date as is mutually agreed upon by the Artist and the Gallery Curator.
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II. COMPENSATION AND SALE OF ARTWORK.
A. No compensation. Artist shall display his artwork in Initial Point Gallery at the pleasure of the
Meridian City Council. City shall not provide compensation to Artist for services, work, and/or
any activity undertaken pursuant to or related to this Agreement.
B. Sale of artwork Artist may, at the direction of and in the manner established by the Gallery
Curator, passively offer the artwork on display in Initial Point Gallery for sale. No price shall
be displayed on or be proximate to any piece on display in Initial Point Gallery. City personnel
shall not facilitate in any way the sale of Artist's work; any transaction related to the sale of
artwork shall be handled solely by Artist. Artist acknowledges the Commission's request that
Artist voluntarily donate to the Commission twenty percent (20%) of proceeds from any
artwork sold due to its display in Initial Point Gallery. Upon the sale of a piece of artwork on
display in Initial Point Gallery, Artist may remove such artwork from the Gallery, provided that
Artist replaces the removed piece with another piece of artwork within twenty-four (24) hours
of such removal. Artist shall coordinate the removal, replacement, and/or substitution of any
and all artwork with the Gallery Curator prior to such activity.
III. TIME OF PERFORMANCE.
Artist shall provide services described in this Agreement in a timely manner, as described herein.
Artist acknowledges and agrees that time is strictly of the essence with respect to this Agreement,
and that the failure to timely perform any of the obligations hereunder shall constitute a default of
this Agreement.
IV. INSTALLATION.
A. Coordination with Curator. Prior to the installation, removal, replacement, and/or
substitution of the display in Initial Point Gallery or any portion or component thereof, Artist
shall coordinate any and all such activity with the Gallery Curator.
B. Inspection of display. Prior to or after installation, the Gallery Curator and/or the City may
inspect and/or review the artwork proposed by Artist for display in Initial Point Gallery to
ensure compliance with all criteria set forth in the Call to Artists attached hereto as Exhibit A,
and the Application and Acknowledgements Form attached hereto as Exhibit C, as well as to
ensure that such artwork may be safely and appropriately displayed in Initial Point Gallery. If
the Gallery Curator or the City concludes that the display or any portion or component thereof
does not meet the criteria set forth in Exhibits A and C, does not reflect artwork as described
and depicted in the Proposal set forth in Exhibit B, or cannot be safely and/or appropriately
displayed in Initial Point Gallery, the Gallery Curator or the City may require the immediate
removal of such artwork from Initial Point Gallery. Further, the Gallery Curator or the City
may require the immediate removal of such artwork from Initial Point Gallery where such
removal serves the best interest of the City.
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V. DISPLAY.
A. Original artwork. Artist warrants that any and all artwork provided by Artist for display in
Initial Point Gallery shall be, and is, original work conceived and created by Artist.
B. Photographs of artwork. City may photograph the artwork displayed in Initial Point Gallery,
as City may desire for purposes of advertising, marketing, and public information. Where
practicable and to the extent of City's authority, Artist shall be acknowledged on each such
photograph to be the creator of the original subject thereof, provided that photographic
reproductions of artwork shall not be identified as or represented to be the finished artwork.
C. Use of Artist's name. Artist hereby conveys to City permission to use Artist's name for
purposes of advertising, marketing, and public information, without violation of Artist's rights
of privacy or any other rights Artist may possess under this Agreement, provided that City shall
not use Artist's logo, if any, for any purpose without the express, written permission of Artist.
D. Use of City's name. City hereby conveys to Artist permission to use City's name for purposes
of advertising, marketing, and public information, without violation of City's rights of privacy
or any other rights City may possess under this Agreement, provided that Artist shall not use
City's logo for any purpose without the express, written permission of the Mayor's Executive
Assistant.
E. Removal of artwork by City. City shall have the right to remove Artist's artwork from public
display at any time and for any reason. Such removal may be temporary or permanent in
nature. Where such artwork is or is intended to be removed from public display for longer than
forty-eight (48) hours, City shall notify Artist in the manner set forth herein. While it is
intended that Artist's artwork will be displayed in Initial Point Gallery for the period set forth
herein, this period may be shortened by City for any reason, without notice to the Artist.
F. Removal of artwork by Artist. Artist shall coordinate with the Gallery Curator the removal,
replacement, and/or substitution of any and all artwork prior to such activity, whether such
activity is necessary due to the sale of a piece or for any other reason.
G. Simultaneous display. City may elect to display the work of more than one Artist or
Organization in Initial Point Gallery at any time, at the City's sole discretion. The manner and
arrangement of the display(s) in Initial Point Gallery shall be determined by the Gallery
Curator.
VI. INDEMNIFICATION, WAIVER, AND INSURANCE.
A. Indemnification. Artist shall, and hereby does, indemnify, save, and hold harmless the City
and any and all of its employees, agents, volunteers, and/or elected officials from any and all
losses, claims, and judgments for damages or injury to persons or property, and from any and
all losses and expenses caused or incurred by Artist, his servants, agents, employees, guests,
10� and/or business invitees.
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B. Waiver. Artist shall, and hereby does, waive any and all claims and recourse against City,
r� including the right of contribution for loss and damage to persons or property arising from,
growing out of, or in any way connected with or incident to Artist's performance of this
Agreement, whether such loss or damage may be attributable to known or unknown conditions,
except for liability arising out of the tortious conduct of City or its officers, agents or
employees.
C. Insurance is Artist's responsibility. City shall not provide insurance to cover loss, theft, or
damage of artwork displayed in Initial Point Gallery or to cover any activity undertaken by
Artist in the furtherance of Artists' rights or obligations described herein. Insurance of the
artwork; of the Artist's person, property, or interests; and/or of the Artist's employees or agents
shall be the sole responsibility of Artist. Artist shall obtain all necessary insurance as may be
required in order to protect Artist's insurable interests for its rights and obligations described
within this Agreement, including, but not limited to, liability insurance, automobile insurance,
worker's compensation insurance, and/or insurance of the artwork to be displayed in Initial
Point Gallery. Artist shall bear any and all risks of, and actual, loss of, theft of, and/or damage
to the artwork prepared for, transported to, transported from, installed or hung in, and/or
displayed in Initial Point Gallery.
VII. TERMINATION.
A. Termination for cause. If City determines that Artist has failed to comply with any term or
condition of this Agreement, violated any of the covenants, agreements, and/or stipulations of
this Agreement, falsified any record or document required to be prepared under this Agreement,
engaged in fraud, dishonesty, or any other act of misconduct in the performance of this
Agreement; or if either Party willfully or negligently defaults in, or fails to fulfill, its material
obligations under this Agreement; the other Party shall have the right to terminate the
Agreement by giving written notice to the defaulting party of its intent to terminate, and shall
specify the grounds for termination. The defaulting party shall have twenty-four (24) hours
after receipt of such notice to cure the default. If the default is not cured within such period,
this Agreement shall be terminated upon mailing of written notice of such termination by the
terminating party.
B. Termination without cause. City may immediately terminate this Agreement for any reason at
any time without prior notice to Artist.
C. Termination upon death or incapacity of Artist. This Agreement shall automatically
terminate upon the death or incapacity of Artist.
D. Non -waiver. A waiver of any breach or default of any provision of this Agreement shall not be
construed as a waiver of a breach of the same or any other provision hereof.
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VIII. GENERAL PROVISIONS
A. Relationship of Parties. It is the express intention of Parties that Artist is an independent party
and not an employee, agent, joint venturer, or partner of City. Nothing in this Agreement shall
be interpreted or construed as creating or establishing the relationship of employer and
employee between Artist and City or between Artist and any official, agent, or employee of
City. Both parties acknowledge that Artist is not an employee of City. Artist shall retain the
right to perform services for others during the term of this Agreement.
B. Compliance with law. Throughout the course of this Agreement, Artist shall comply with any
and all applicable federal, state, and local laws.
C. Non -Discrimination. In fulfilling or exercising any right or obligation under this Agreement,
Artist shall not discriminate against any person as to race, creed, religion, sex, age, national
origin, sexual orientation or any physical, mental, or sensory disability.
D. Entire Agreement. This Agreement constitutes the entire understanding between the Parties.
This Agreement supersedes any and all statements, promises, or inducements made by either
party, or agents of either party, whether oral or written, and whether previous to the execution
hereof or contemporaneous herewith. The terms of this Agreement may not be enlarged,
modified or altered except upon written agreement signed by both parties hereto.
E. Agreement governed by Idaho law. The laws of the State of Idaho shall govern the validity,
interpretation, performance and enforcement of this Agreement. Venue shall be in the courts of
Ada County, Idaho.
F. Cumulative rights and remedies. All rights and remedies herein enumerated shall be
cumulative and none shall exclude any other right or remedy allowed by law. Likewise, the
exercise of any remedy provided for herein or allowed by law shall not be to the exclusion of
any other remedy.
G. Severability. If any provision of this Agreement is found by a court of competent jurisdiction
to be illegal, invalid, or unenforceable, the remainder of this Agreement shall not be affected.
H. Successors and assigns. Artist shall not subcontract or assign any of Artist's obligations under
this Agreement that require or that may require his artistic talent or expertise. Artist may
subcontract or assign obligations that do not require his artistic talent or expertise. All of the
terms, provisions, covenants and conditions of this Agreement shall inure to the benefit of, and
shall be binding upon, each party and their successors, assigns, legal representatives, heirs,
executors, and administrators.
I. Notice. Any and all notice required to be provided by the Parties hereto, unless otherwise stated
in this Agreement, shall be in writing and shall be deemed communicated upon mailing by
United States Mail, addressed as follows:
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Artist:
,-� Roger C. Lyngaas
12713 W. Renwick Street
Boise, Idaho 83709
(208) 850-4989
icedoghans@cableone.net
Gallery Curator:
Dwight Williams
Meridian Arts Commission
33 E. Broadway Ave.
Meridian, Idaho 83642
(208) 887-6473
dwight5332@q.com
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Emily Kane, Deputy City Attorney
City of Meridian
33 E. Broadway Ave.
Meridian, Idaho 83642
(208) 898-5506
ekane@meridiancity.org
Any party may change its respective address for the purpose of this paragraph by giving written
notice of such change in the manner herein provided.
J. City Council approval required. The validity of this Agreement shall be expressly
conditioned upon City Council action approving the Agreement. Execution of this Agreement
by the persons referenced below prior to such ratification or approval shall not be construed as
proof of validity in the absence of Meridian City Council approval.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the parties hereto have executed this Agreement on the
day of 2010.
ARTIST:
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I HEREBY CERTIFY that on this?,, day oftat,�, 2010, before the undersigned, a Notary Public in the
State of Idaho, personally appeared Roger C. Lyngaas, known tome to be the person who executed the said instrument,
and acknowledged to me that he executed the same.
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Exhibit A
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MeridianCommission
Call for Artists: 2010 INITIAL POINT GALLERY SERIES
OVERVIEW:
The Meridian Arts Commission (MAC) seeks proposals for the 2010 Initial Point Gallery Series, a series of one-month
exhibitions in Initial Point Gallery. Initial Point Gallery is located on the third floor of Meridian City Hall (33 E.
Broadway Avenue, Meridian, Idaho), and is open to the public during City working hours. Initial Point Gallery provides
120 feet of total wall space -60 feet on either side of a generous space; featured artists or organizations must be
prepared to fill all or half of the gallery with their works. MAC requests that artists voluntarily donate to MAC 20% of
proceeds from works sold due to their display in Initial Point Gallery.
ELIGIBILITY:
The 2010 Initial Point Gallery Series is to be comprised of professional -quality, ready -to -hang, two-dimensional,
original art that is conceived and created by artists who live or work in Idaho's Treasure Valley. Artwork on paper must
be under glass or acrylic. No piece will be displayed which: cannot be safely hung using the gallery's system; requires
unusual maintenance, handling, or security; or is disruptive or likely to offend the sensibilities of the general public.
Each piece to be displayed will be evaluated for its compliance with these general requirements. Selected artists or
organizations will be asked to enter into an Acceptance Agreement with the City setting forth specific conditions of
display. Please note that applicants whose proposals are accepted for exhibition may re -apply every other year.
PROPOSAL REQUIREMENTS:
Artists or organizations wishing to display work in the 2010 Initial Point Gallery Series must provide the following
materials and information to MAC in order to be considered for selection.
• Completed, signed Application ft Acknowledgements form;
Biography of the artist or informational statement regarding organization;
Letter of intent;
• Five (5) digital images representational of the works proposed for display, on a CD (for organizations, please ensure
that each image is of a different artist's work); and
• $35 gallery maintenance fee (nonrefundable).
Details and forms are available at the City's website, http://www.meridiancity.org or by a -mail request to
mac@meridiancity.org. Materials submitted for consideration cannot be returned.
DEADLINE:
All proposals must be received by MAC by 5:00 p.m. on Friday, November 20, 2009.
SELECTION PROCESS:
The selection of art for the 2010 Initial Point Gallery Series will be made by MAC. MAC will notify a selected artist or
organization that their work has been chosen for display in Initial Point Gallery by letter sent U.S. Mail. In reviewing
eligible proposals or portfolios, the following factors will be considered:
• Quality of work;
• Appropriateness of subject and concept for a functioning government workplace;
• Consistency with City policy and community values; and
• Contribution to aesthetic and cultural atmosphere of Meridian City Hall.
RESOURCES PROVIDED UPON SELECTION:
The City of Meridian will provide selected artists/organizations with the following resources:
• Skilled, experienced volunteers to assist with hanging and taking down each piece of artwork;
• Track system for hanging art, using wires that are attached to hooks;
• Space for artist information and/or an information board; and
• Publicity of the exhibit through local media and other informational forums.
/""TACT MAC: By mail: Meridian Arts Commission
Attn: 2010 Initial Point Gallery Series
33 East Broadway Avenue
Meridian ID 83642
By a -mail: mac@meridiancity.org
Exhibit B
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Application £t Acknowledgments: 2010 INITIAL POINT GALLERY SERIES
ARTIST/ORGANIZER CONTACT INFORMATION:
Check one: X am submitting this form as an individual artist.
❑ 1 am submitting this for on behalf of an organization.
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Organizer name:
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Mailing Address:
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APPLICATION OVERVIEW:
Check one: ❑ I/we propose to fill one half of Initial Point Gallery with artwork.
XI/we propose to fill the entire Initial Point Gallery with artworl
Number of pieces: +0 Average size of pieces: 1.2XI6 a,('hu ecl
APPLICATION MATERIALS: -Ox-24 4 ,r"eW
Completed, signed Application a Acknowledgements Form
Biography of artist or informational statement regarding organization, no longer than one 891 x 11" page;
A letter of intent, describing:
a. Artist/Organization's vision for and/or theme of the proposed display;
b. Number, dimensions, prices, and medium or media utilized in the works to be displayed;
c. Any publicity that the Artist/Organization plans to undertake if selected; and/or
d. Any atypical issues or challenges regarding hanging or display of the worksro
p posed for display.
Up to five digital images representational of the artist's/organization's work on a CD resolution of 300 dpi at a
minimum size of 50", in .jpg format. Please name each image file wit rti
and the title of the work e..: name. title.' g e or organization name
,,..� ( g )pg). Materials submitted will not be returned. Damaged or non-
compliant CDs and/or images will not be considered. Images will not be accepted via e-mail.
$35 gallery maintenance fee, check made payable to the Meridian Arts Commission. This fee is nonrefundable.
HANGING INFORMATION:
Initial Point Gallery is equipped with a track system for hanging exhibits. Artwork displayed in the gallery will be hung
from cables using hooks, and therefore must be equipped with one D ring on the back of the frame, or two D rings on
the side rails on the back of the frame, as illustrated below. Wires or eyehooks may not be used for hanging, and clip
frames are not allowed. The D -rings should be approximately a quarter of the distance of the total frame height from
the top fo the frame, in order to avoid slanting away from the wall.
Rog Lyngaas' Letter of Intent, 19nov09
We all walk blindly until we have an aide to guide us on the shining path. My paintings
are intended to enliven the mind by involving it. My subjects tend to be landscapes on
the edge of abstract. Each painting has a Sumi-E like underpainting. This allows me to
provide windows for the viewer to see through the two dimensional world into their own.
Thus, completion of thought becomes action of being. This philosophy matches the
teachings of Paul Serusier who said — "Art is means of communication between souls."
I, Rog Lyngaas, intend to provide up to forty professionally painted, varnished, framed,
oil paintings arranged in a sensible fashion. Every painting in this show, will be painted
and signed by myself.
Last August, I helped organize the show for the Idaho Painter's Guild at Initial Point
Gallery. I also organized a much larger design exhibit; showing the work of 30 people.
I am well aware of that which is necessary to prepare and hang a medium sized show.
My subjects are predominantly to be landscapes — abstracts of landscapes — and
sometimes abstracts of figures; there should be no sense of concern for objectionable
objects or symbols in my paintings.
My style conforms to a method of systematic interpretation; it should look professionally
consistent even though 1 lean towards expressionism, instead of impressionism. I call it
"interpretive expressionism". The style influences are Sandzen, Gruppe, Carlson,
Cezanne, Munch, my mentor — Fred Choate, and any Sumi-E master I meet personally.
The resulting windows for thought look like paintings by Jonas Lie, Walt Gonske, and
Louisa McElwain.
The value of my paintings is currently rated at around one dollar per square inch. This
means that I intend to provide a great value for the money, in my paintings. If chosen
for a one man show, I intend to advertise in the Boise Weekly and the Scene... I am on
a 3 year marketing growth trend and that sort of propaganda would be one more step.
Plus, I know from experience, if no one knows you have a show, no one comes to visit
the show.
I live in Boise's area of impact, south of Meridian; and I work in the City of Meridian for
Albertson's. Yes, I am a "deli guy". It would be my pleasure to provide Meridian's City
Hall with the art show that I propose. Thank -you for your time.
Sincerely,/,
..............rog lyngaas
Rog Lyngaas' Bio, 19nov09
CONTACT
Location: Boise, ID
Website: httpJfcedoghans.wordpress.com
Email: icedoghans C cableone.net
phone: +1.208.850.4989
ARTIST STATEMENT
Mentors describe my style as °primitive, expressionistic, & interpretive". In the raw there are four values,
shapes and designs, three colors, warm & cool, and the mind of the beholder to finish the painting;
because "We all walk bNndly untN we have an aide to guide us on the shining path". Via this the
viewer becomes one with the window; and visa versa. Thus completion of thought becomes action of
being. I believe this philosophy matches the teachings of Paul Serusier who said — "Art is means of
communication between souls.".
My subjects tend to be landscapes on the edge of abstract. It is the contradiction of thought, contrast in
shade, and the simplicity of design that drive my brush. Painters I like include Munch, Cezanne, Turner,
Serusier, and Bruegel. My style influences are Sandzen, Gruppe, Carlson, Choate, and any Sumi-E
master I meet personally. The resulting windows for thought look like paintings by Jonas Lie, Walt
Gonske, and Louisa McElwain.
REPRESENTATION
�-t Basement Gallery, 928 W Main St, Boise, Idaho, 208.333.0309
Eclectic Art Store, 280 N Eighth St, Boise, Idaho, 208.342,2191
EXHIBITIONS [number of paintings] (group exhibldons, unless noted)
Since Oct09, Eclectic Art Store, [5-6] Boise, ID
Jul-Aug09, Initial Point Gallery, Idaho Painters Guild [6] Meridian, ID
Jun-Aug09, Buhl Plein Air Paintout [4] Buhl, ID
May-Jun09, Basement Gallery, Classic Landscapes [16] Boise, ID
Aug-Sep08, Eagle Ribfest, Idaho Painters Guild [25] Eagle, ID
Jun-Aug08, Buhl Plein Air Paintout [1] Buhl, ID
Nov-Dec07, Spotlight Gallery, Students [6] Boise, ID
Jun-Aug07, Buhl Plein Air Paintout [1] Buhl, ID
AWARDS
2009 W. Idaho State Fair, 2 Honorable Mentions, Professional.
2008 W. Idaho State Fair, 2nd Place, Idaho Landscape, Professional.
2007 W. Idaho State Fair, 3 Honorable Mentions, Amateur.
1983 UW Engineering Expo, "VLSI: Innovation in Silicon", 2nd Place.
1979 UW Engineering Expo, "RC Flying Saucer", Honorable Mention.
EDUCATION: University of Wisconsin, Madison, B.S.E.E. 1983.
BORN of a Butcher and Bridge Player In Spring Harbor in MaaVson, Wftconsin.
COLLECTIONS [Private, unless noted]
Manhattan, NY [2]; Vancouver, BC; Pullman, WA; San Francisco, CA; Grand Junction, CO; Fitchburg, WI;
Meridian, ID; Boise, ID [8]
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Exhibit C
ACKNOWLEDGMENTS:
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rtdv8K r is selected for display at Initial Point Gallery, such display shall occur subject to these general
terms and conditions, as well as subject to other specific terms and conditions that shall be set forth in a separate,
written Acceptance Agreement between myself and the City of Meridian. I specifically acknowledge that:
`' A.
Before my work will be displayed in Initial Point Gallery, I will be required to enter into an Acceptance
Agreement with the City of Meridian establishing the specific terms and conditions of the display of the
particular works displayed.
B.
If my work is selected for display in Initial Point Gallery, the City of Meridian and its agents will
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exercise professional care in handling and securing all artwork displayed in Initial Point Gallery, but
cannot and will not assume liability for any loss or damage.
C.
Any insurance of the art work displayed in Initial Point Gallery shall be the sole responsibility of the
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artist. The City of Meridian shall not provide insurance to cover loss, theft, or damage of artwork
displayed in Initial Point Gallery.
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D.
While art work displayed in Initial Point Gallery may be passively offered for sale by means of an
informational table, board, or handout as provided or allowed by the City of Meridian, no piece
displayed in Initial Point Gallery may have a visible price tag.
E.
While it is intended that each exhibit in Initial Point Gallery will be displayed for a one- to two-month
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period, this period may be shortened by the City of Meridian for any reason, without notice to the
artist or organization.
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The City may display the work of more than one artist or organization in Initial Point Gallery at any
time, at the City's sole discretion.
G.
Art work submitted for display in Initial Point Gallery must be original works conceived and created
by the artist (or by artist members of the organization) submitting this application.
H.
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Meridian City Hall is primarily a place of public business and Initial Point Gallery is a public place. The
City seeks to encourage artistic expression and public dialogue, but must simultaneously ensure that
City Halt is a place where citizens, employees, and visitors of diverse ages and perspectives feel
welcome and comfortable. To this end, only artists and art work meeting the eligibility standards
described in the Call for Artists and following the terms set forth in the Acceptance Agreement shall be
displayed in Initial Point Gallery.
I do acknowledge and understand each and all of the foregoing stipulations and do agree to these general terms and
conditions.
Signature: C • Print name:
Date:
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To propose an exhibition in Initial Point Gallery, please submit this form, completed in full, with the required
materials and fee, via U.S. mail, to:
Meridian Arts Commission
Attn: Initial Point Gallery
33 East Broadway Avenue
Meridian ID 83642
Thank you for your interest!
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Meridian City Council Meeting
DATE: May 4, 2010 ITEM NUMBER: 8A
PROJECT NUMBER:
ITEM TITLE:
Annual Assessment Briefing from Robert McQuade
MEETING NOTES
CLERKS OFFICE FINAL ACTION
DATE:
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STAFF
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AGENCY
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APPLICANT
NOTES
INITIALS
Meridian City Primary Roll Assessment Notice Summary
5/3/2010
2010 2009
City Total
Total Meridian City Market Value 6,394,1324 700 7,002 853 80fl
Homeowner's Exemption 1,604,457,540 1,663,413,902
Total Meridian City Taxable Value 4,790,367,160 5,339,439,898
Urban Renewal Area
Meridian MDC 84;569,103 103,953,000
Residential Market Value
Residential Parcel Count
(Residential includes manufactured Homes)
Commercial Market Value
Commercial Parcel Count
(Commercial includes Personal Property)
Comparison of Previous Year New
Construction
Residential
New Residential Count
Commercial
New Commercial Count
New Subs/Change Status
% value change of existing residential
improved properties
% value change for existing commercia'
improved properties
Residential
2009-10
% Change
-8.68%
-3.54%
-10.28%
-18.65%
5/4/2010
4,283,500,6001
4,946 882 800
-12.88%
30,7411
30,6101
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2,026,WS,00,01
1,9 18,0001
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4,2941
4,516
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New Construction
143,092,275
255,016,183
-43.89%
68,215,275
103,533,082
-34.11%
716
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82,626,045
-40.88%
881
711
23.94%
26,027,3001
68,857,0561
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Increase Estimates
-14.55%
average
-14.57%
median
-5.07%
average
-7.36%
median
2009
Residential Property Tax Burden 70.01%
Commercial Property Tax Burden 29.99%
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Assessment Notices
Assessment Notice Mailing Date 5/21/2010 5/22/2009
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DATE: May 4, 2010 ITEM NUMBER: 11 A
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ITEM TITLE:
Resolution No. [C) - -'lc3a A Resolution of the Mayor and City Council of
the City of Meridian Re -Appointing Steve Turney to Seat 1, Walter Lindgren to Seat 2,
Frank Thomason to Seat 3 and Tom Hammond to Seat 4 of the Meridian Historic
Preservation Commission
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CITY OF MERIDIAN RESOLUTION NO. ID - —1 as
BY THE CITY COUNCIL: BIRD, HOAGLUN, ROUNTREE, ZAREMBA
A RESOLUTION OF THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF
MERIDIAN, RE -APPOINTING COMMISSIONERS OF THE MERIDIAN HISTORIC
PRESERVATION COMMISSION; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
WHEREAS, the Meridian City Code Title 2, Chapter 1 establishes the Meridian Historic
Preservation Commission, its members and terms of their appointments; and
WHEREAS, Steve Turney currently holds Seat 1, Walter Lindgren currently holds Seat
2, Frank Thomason currently holds Seat 3 and Tom Hammond currently holds Seat 4 of the
Meridian Historic Preservation Commission, all with terms to expire in April, 2010; and
WHEREAS, Steve Turney may be reappointed to Seat 1, Walter Lindgren may be
reappointed to Seat 2, Frank Thomason may be reappointed to Seat 3, and Tom Hammond may
be reappointed to Seat 4 of the Meridian Historic Preservation Commission for terms of 3 years
to expire in April of 2013;
WHEREAS, the City Council of the City of Meridian deems the re -appointments of
Steve Turney, Walter Lindgren, Frank Thomason and Tom Hammond to be in the best interest of
the Meridian Historic Preservation Commission and of the City of Meridian;
NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE MAYOR AND CITY
COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF MERIDIAN CITY, IDAHO:
Section 1. That pursuant to Meridian City Code §2-1-3, Steve Turney is hereby
appointed to Seat 1 of the Meridian Historic Preservation Commission, for a term to expire on
April, 2013.
Section 2. That pursuant to Meridian City Code §2-1-3, Walter Lindgren is hereby
appointed to Seat 2 of the Meridian Historic Preservation Commission, for a term to expire on
April, 2013.
RESOLUTION APPOINTING STEVE TURNEY, WALTER LINDGREN, FRANK THOMASON AND TOM
HAMMOND TO THE MERIDIAN HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION Page 1 of 2
Section 3. That pursuant to Meridian City Code §2-1-3, Frank Thomason is hereby
appointed to Seat 3 of the Meridian Historic Preservation Commission, for a term to expire on
April, 2013.
Section 4. That pursuant to Meridian City Code §2-1-3, Tom Hammond is hereby
appointed to Seat 4 of the Meridian Historic Preservation Commission, for a term to expire on
April, 2013. 7/ C4—
Section 2. That this Resolution shall be in full force and effect on the `/ � I day of May,
2010.
ADOPTED by the City Council of the City of Meridian, Idaho, this -! � ay of May, 2010.
APPROVED by the Mayor of the City of Meridian, Idaho, this 0—day of May, 2010.
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HAMMOND TO THE MERIDIAN HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION Page 2 of 2
Meridian City Council Meeting
DATE: May 4, 2010 ITEM NUMBER: 11 B
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ITEM TITLE:
Public Works Department: Verbal Request from Ron Carroll, at 1822 E. Bluetick Street,
to Connect a Private Well to his house as an Alternative Water Source.
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Mayor Tammy de Weerd
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D A H O BradHoaglun
Charles RountreePublic
David Zaremba
Works Department
TO: Mayor Tammy de Weerd
Members of the City Council
FROM: Clint Worthington, P.E.
Staff Engineer
DATE: 4/12/2010
SUBJECT: REQUEST FROM RON CARROLL, AT 1822 E. BLUETICK STREET, TO
CONNECT A PRIVATE WELL TO HIS HOUSE AS AN ALTERNATIVE
WATER SOURCE. PLEASE PLACE ON THE PUBLIC WORKS
DEPARTMENT REPORTS AGENDA FOR THE APRIL 27, 2010 COUNCIL
MEETING.
I. RECOMMENDED ACTION
A. Move to:
Deny the request from Mr. Carroll to connect his private well to his house,
located at 1822 E. Bluetick Street.
II. DEPARTMENT CONTACT PERSONS
Clint Worthington, Staff Engineer (Project Manager)
Kyle Radek, Asst. City Engineer
Warren Stewart, PW Engineering Manager
Tom Barry, Director of Public Works
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489-1349
489-1343
489-1350
489-1372
III. DESCRIPTION
A. Background
The Public Works Department has received a request to allow the connection of a
recently drilled private well to the house as a separate water source. The individual's
property is 0.2 acres, located at 1822 E. Bluetick Street in Raven Hill Subdivision and is
connected to the City's sewer and water system. The subdivision receives irrigation
water from a private pressure irrigation system which includes a single -point connection
to City water.
Mr. Carroll has recently drilled a well on the property and is requesting that he be
allowed to use this well for irrigation purposes as well as a source to a sink in the house
through the installation of a service line separate from the existing plumbing that is
supplied by City water. His stated intent is to use this source of water as an emergency
supply and has offered to provide metering and payment to the City for any water
contributing to the sewer.
IV. IMPACT
A. Service/Delivery Impact:
The Public Works Department recommends that this request be denied for the following
reasons:
1. City code section 9-14 prohibits connection of private water systems to buildings
where city water is available.
2. Allowing the property owner to make this connection to his house, although not
connected to the same plumbing as City water increases the risk of future cross -
connection which is a risk other residents as well as Mr. Carroll.
3. Allowing this connection sets a precedent to other users to use alternative water
sources which could greatly impact rate structures. A precedent may also be set for
drilling shallow wells which is concerning to the effects they have on groundwater
quality.
4. In order for the City to receive payment for water contributing to the sewer system, a
separate water meter would need to be installed on the service line from the well to the
house to meter flows discharged to the sewer system. This would serve to complicate
and increase overhead of City, services for this and other potential connections of this
nature.
V. LIST OF ATTACHMENTS
A. Water Use and Service Code 9-1-4
Approved for Council Agenda: Z// z ��
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9-1.4: USE OF CITY WATER REQUIRED:
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A. Connection To City System: The owner or occupant of any house, building or property used for residential, commercial, industrial, governmental or
recreational use, or any other purpose, situated within the city which is abutting on or having a permanent right of access to any street, alley or right of
way in which there is located a city water line is hereby required to cease using any other water system and at his expense to connect such building
directly with the city water in accordance with the provisions of this chapter, within sixty (60) calendar days after the date of official notice from the city to
do so; provided, however, that said city water is within three hundred feet (300) of any property line where said building to be served is located.
B. Disconnection Of Private System Required: At such time as the municipal water system becomes available to the property served by the private water
system, and the owner or tenant connects his property to municipal service as required, it is mandatory that the private water supply is not connected or
cross connected in any way to the water livres served by the city water system. The disconnection of the private water supply line shall be inspected and
approved by the waterworks superintendent or his designated representative. (Ord. 04-1106, 10-5-2004)
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