HomeMy WebLinkAbout2010 05-18 Joint Planning & ZoningMeridian City Council P&Z Joint Meeting Mav 18, 2010
A joint meeting of the Meridian City Council and Planning & Zoning Commission was
called to order at 6:08 p.m., Tuesday, May 18, 2010, by Mayor Tammy de Weerd.
Members Present: Mayor Tammy de Weerd, President Charlie Rountree, Keith Bird,
Brad Hoaglun, and David Zaremba.
P&Z Members Present: Michael Rohm, Chairman, Joe Marshall, Scott Freeman, and
Tom O'Brien.
Members Absent: Wendy Newton-Huckabay.
Item 1: Roll-call Attendance:
Roll call.
X David Zaremba X Brad Hoaglun
X Charlie Rountree X Keith Bird
X Mayor Tammy de Weerd
Roll Call.
X_ Tom O'Brien Wendy Newton-Huckabay
X_ Scott Freeman X_Joe Marshall
X Michael Rohm -chairman
De Weerd: I will go ahead and call this special meeting to order. For the record, it is
Tuesday, May 18th. It's eight minutes after 6:00. We will start tonight's meeting with
roll call attendance, Madam Clerk.
Item 2: Adoption of the Agenda
De Weerd: Item No. 2 is adoption of the agenda.
Hoaglun: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes, Mr. Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: I move approval of tonight's agenda.
Zaremba: Second.
Hoaglun: Or the adoption of the agenda.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to adopt the agenda as published. All those
in favor say aye. All ayes. Motion carried.
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MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Item 3: Eagle Road Center Median Construction Update
De Weerd: Item 3 is our Eagle Road Center Median Construction Update.
Hood: Thank you, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council and Members of the
Planning and Zoning Commission. I am going to be brief in this first item and if you
could keep in mind that I am just bearing the news and not making the news, that would
be most appreciated. So, ITD -- we had a discussion in February about ITD working in
a change order to their Eagle Road rehab project. If the bids came back favorable they
were going to work in some center medians. We talked about access and we said go
forth, do good works, and supported that with the police department and fire department
input. Last Friday at the Meridian Transportation Committee meeting Dave Jones told
the group that the center medians would not be installed as part of the Eagle Road
pavement project, as they had previously envisioned. He stated the reason was that
the environmental clearance had expired or lapsed and that the local FHWA folks would
not let him -- would not let ITD put the medians into the project as a change order.
FHWA determined that a new public involvement process would be required on the
proposed medians. After that meeting Matt Stahl, who was at the meeting, called
FHWA and talked to Pete Hartman over there and Mr. Hartman had some more
information to add that it wasn't necessarily that the environmental had, their bigger
concern was that the medians that ITD was proposing to put in are not the medians that
were envisioned with 2006 corridor studies. So, FHWA had a problem with them putting
in medians without the landscaping, so ITD has backed off and said we aren't putting in
any medians, because they can't meet the time frames to do a new public involvement
process. This project is about a three month time frame, so it will be wrapping up here
in another couple months or so. Ten or 11, 12 weeks and so there is just not enough
time to go out to the public again and get all the noticing and whatnot. I'm not sure if
there is anything we can do, but I thought it was important enough at least to report
back. Councilman Zaremba was also at that Meridian Chamber meeting. I have sent
an a-mail to Dave Jones yesterday I guess it was and, yes, it's dead. His a-mail, you
know, basically, said that executive management -- the decision is final and they aren't
going to put the medians in. I asked him about -- you know, because we are still trying
to make it -- include some of the aspects of this project if at all possible and some quad
yellow lines or something that really -- you know, it's not a physical barrier, but maybe
some folks won't try to turn left in and out of some of those access points or use the
center median as a turn lane. So, anyways, I just thought I would report -- they are
looking at -- their engineers are looking at a new striping plan now that if medians do
make it back into the project, they won't have to do a whole bunch of restriping or retro-
fitting for the medians. One last thing I will report. If you recall, it's a two phase project
and so the first mile from Franklin to Fairview, which is currently under construction, is,
obviously, in construction year '10. When we talked about this in February it was in
2011 for the next five mile sections all the way up to State Street. The draft STIP that's
out right now, though, has that pushed back to 2013. Good and bad. So, there is
enough opportunity, then, to open up the public process and new public involvement if
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medians are going to happen in Eagle Road and start that process over, so they aren't
going to be scurrying to get -- to get medians there or some treatment into a project that
goes to construction next year, again, because at least right now in the draft STIP it got
pushed out to 201.3. So, that's my report. I will stand for any questions you have.
De Weerd: So, Caleb, are they going to stripe it, then, like the -- they are removing the
suicide lane?
Hood: Madam Mayor, that's my understanding. I have not see the striping plan. I
asked Dave about that. He has two engineers I think he said working on it. So, they
don't -- they are kind of working -- they just got this news Friday, so they are kind of
working to see what they can do, you know, play within the rules, too, of traffic
engineering for what they can put in there, but I imagine they will try to put in some paint
that would effectively do the same thing as medians would, although they are not
physical barriers.
De Weerd: Okay.
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Any questions? Yes, Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: Caleb, two thoughts. One is the medians that we are proposing had a cost
to them. If they pull them out of their project I would suggest back to ITD and just as an
indication that we are interested in doing something out there, that they consider taking
that money and creating with FHWA, a demonstration project with that median in some
of the higher accident areas and completely funded with federal aid and state match,
just to see if the solution would work. And the other option would be to take that money
and identify a segment in the corridor where they could do what was originally proposed
in terms of a landscape median and as a research effort, a study, to see if that works.
suspect you will get anon-response there, a negative response there, but at least our
reaction is such that we'd like to see them do something out there. And so as the six or
so hundred accidents a year, like to see something done out there and multiple lives
that have been either taken or significantly modified because of accidents.
Item 4: Presentation by City Planning Staff on the Update to the
Comprehensive Plan -Current Conditions Report, and Discussion
Regarding the City Staff s Future Focus
De Weerd: Okay. Any other comments? Thank you, Caleb. Item No. 4 the
presentation and the update to the Comprehensive Plan.
Hood: Madam Mayor, that's me as well, although I do have -- I will have some help
here tonight from Anna and Matt and Pete may even get a shot. So, tonight there is a
couple things -- I'm just going to give you a quick overview of what I would like to
accomplish today and what we will discuss. The main topic of discussion will be the
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existing conditions report, which I will hand out in just a minute. We will go through that
with -- and highlight some specific areas that I think are particularly interesting and we
will be looking for your feedback on that document, although not tonight necessarily.
Certainly if you see things as we go through it, I will take notes as well, but I will spend
some time on that in just a minute. Really, I want to put this in the context of what the
Planning Department is undertaking. It's under the bigger umbrella of a Comprehensive
Plan update and a reformat. So, to do that we had to first figure out where the
community is at today by updating a lot of the tables and graphs and charts and pictures
from the 2002 version of the Comprehensive Plan. The main goal is to make the
Comprehensive Plan more user friendly and, again, to do that we need good and
accurate information from today or as good -- as good of numbers as we can find today.
We also used what other communities are doing with the economic times. A lot of folks
-- a lot of different communities are doing the same thing we are doing or have recently
completed doing their Comp Plan updates, so we are relying a lot on -- Garden City did
a comprehensive plan update in 2006. See if I can get that real quick. And so this is
their comp plan. It's very succinct. It's -- I'm not saying we are going to shoot for that
thin, but ours is at least three or four times that now. So, what they do is jump right into
the meat of what do we need, what are we -- what are we trying to accomplish here and
how do we do that. So, action items basically is contained in here. So, we kind of like
that approach and so what we are doing with the existing conditions report is we are
taking out a lot of that background information that will support the policies, the goals,
the objective items that will be in the Comprehensive Plan itself. Ada County updated
their comp plan in 2007 and have some pretty good charts and numbers and some
analysis that we can look at as helping us to format this document and pull some figures
out. Kuna did theirs in 2009, so they had some good things, too. And, then, Blueprint
Boise is currently in draft form and we have just been kind of picking and choosing
some of the best from all those plans and working on this report, as well as the next
steps when we get into the Comprehensive Plan, it helped us to kind of solidify at least
where we think this is going with the comp plan and this existing conditions report. An
example of that -- and I apologize because I thought we were going to be in the U-
shape round table discussion.
De Weerd: We are kind of U-shaped.
Hood: It's not -- the subject isn't as friendly for that kind of back and forth across the
table, but I'm passing around an example of what's in Boise city's comprehensive plan
now for cut sheets. So, we kind of like the idea of somebody coming in, they say, hey,
my property is zoned R-8, what can I do there or I have got this future land use map
designation on my property, what can we do? We need a one page handout we can
give to somebody and here is kind of what that means, you know, here are -- like uses
that you could do, here are typical lot sizes in the area, what a block or two looks like in
that area. So, it's a cut sheet that we can just hand out and they can take back with
them and kind of have the basics for what it would take to develop in there. So, we
thought developing those for all the different future land use designations was probably
a good tool. That's just -- that's just one example of some of the things we stumbled
across that we think would probably make this comp plan more user friendly. So, I think
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I mentioned it, but I will reiterate, because it's key to this whole topic tonight. The
background information for the Comprehensive Plan is the Existing Conditions Report.
So, then, it will be an appendix to the plan itself and adopted at the same time and I will
talk about the timelines here a little bit later, but we do anticipate them both being
adopted concurrently. Again, we are shooting for the Comp Plan to be easy to
understand what the vision is and what the actions are that are needed to meet that
vision. We also see the comp plan being formatted similar to the Existing Conditions
Report and I realize you don't have one yet, but we kind of -- Anna has spent a lot of
time working on formatting and making it pretty. We certainly still have some work to do
to clean it up. There is a couple holes. But for the most part it's -- it's I would say, you
know, 80, 85 percent of the way complete and gives you a good flavor for where this is
going with the existing conditions report and the Comprehensive Plan. And, then, to the
Comprehensive Plan itself, we are not going to purge all the content in the Comp Plan,
because we have still legitimate solid goals and objectives that are in there. Now, some
of them -- we have met some of the action items, so we can cross those off the list and
good job and we can add some new ones in. We can reevaluate all those and say is
this something we still want to do or have we moved on and want to do something else
or -- you know. So, that's kind -- that's going to be kind of the next steps, so we will go
through the Comp Plan and read through all the goals, objectives, and action items and
either check them off that we brought them, ask questions if we still want to try to do
them, and, then, kind of highlight those and say we want to systematically tackle this
one first, that one next, or -- at least reorganize those and place some ownership on
who is going to be responsible for tackling those goals, objectives, and actions items.
But, again, most of them are still valid and are current -- consistent with the current city
mission and vision and strategic plan. I do also want to point out that there will be no
changes to the future land use map and the land uses that are envisioned with this
process of a map, which you recently -- all recently saw here over the past month or
two. We don't envision this going into talking about land uses on specific properties.
So, we don't envision anything to do with the map. This would be a textual amendment
to the map with some figures and charts and maps within the plan itself being amended,
but not to the map, not to the future land use map. I should say if there is any
questions, please, feel free to jump in at anytime or any clarifications on any of this. It's
a real informal presentation that I have got tonight and, again, it should be a --aback
and forth type thing and we will have a little bit more opportunity for that when -- when
we start jumping into what we have actually compiled thus far.
Canning Caleb, can I jump in?
Hood: Yeah.
Canning: I did want to point out when -- Caleb mentioned the word ownership and
that's part of what this effort is about is, well, I really want this Comprehensive Plan to
be the city's Comprehensive Plan, not the Planning Department's Comprehensive Plan
and I have been on that subject for a little over seven years now, but the way it's written
it's really written like the Planning Department's Comprehensive Plan, I got to tell you. I
admit it. You know, I have tried to make it the city's, but, really, this one I want to be the
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city's Comprehensive Plan. We sought out in the existing -- in developing the conditions
-- Existing Conditions Report we have tried to bring in all the departments and have
them add to the discussion and, you know, use their words as much as we can and use
their numbers and things like that. So, we will continue that. We really want this to be
everybody's so that, you know, when they are doing their strategic plan, they are -- they
are able to look at the Comprehensive Plan and pull information from that and look at
policies and look at some of the things that folks wanted to do, the implementation
strategies, and really pull that into their -- the director's PADs, as well as their strategic
plans and to really make this a living, working document and we think it will be easier if
we pull out the background information and just have the goals, objectives, and policies
and we are going to work on wording those or rewording them so that they are useful in
an every day situation, so that it's not just our .plan, but this is a working document for
the whole city.
De Weerd: Well -- and, Anna, Iguess -- Caleb, you have been working with each of the
departments and the correlations of their activities to the Comprehensive Plan, getting
feedback on how they feel they can integrate some of their planning activities into it;
correct?
Hood: Correct. And I'll put you on hold and touch on that now. And for this we,
basically, asked all the departments and other agencies, joint school district, ACRD -- I
mean we went out -- Intermountain Gas -- all these different service providers and said
here is what we currently have or don't have in our comp plan, can you tell us your story
in 2010. Here is what we have now. Feel free to make -- write whatever you want
about what you do. Tell your story, so we can put it in here. The next steps are going
to be where are we going, what do we need to do, do we need five more fire stations?
Okay. Well, that's -- that's what we need to get for the comp plan itself, where are those
going to go, okay, let's put them on a map. So, this document is kind of, again, telling
the story for the past ten years or so. I mean it's been about ten years since the last
comp plan was kicked off and the public involvement process begun. That plan was
adopted in 2002. But a lot's changed in Meridian and so we are trying to get those
departments and other agencies to tell their story -- at least readdress their story for
today's condition. But it will be ongoing and they have done a great job helping put this
document together. We are going to have to do some more work, though, and tell you
about this, you know, in just a minute. We are strategically going after some
departments and other agencies where there is some new initiatives of the city and they
weren't currently addressed at all. So, we need to start from scratch there and work
them into the comp plan with goals and policies and actions we can take to further their
missions. Yeah, I have reached out -- I didn't bring the list today. It will be in the
Existing Conditions Report, but, yes, all the departments were asked to provide
information for this Existing Conditions Report and most all of them, if not all of them,
will be asked to help put the Comp Plan itself together or give us some of your goals, if
it's your CLP, fine, give us your CLP. If it's your capital -- some other planning
document that makes sense for the city's Comp Plan, let us have it, we will roll it in.
think that goes for Anna's plan about having everybody take ownership in this and
having a consolidated plan where we can all go and reference to know where we are
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going as a city. I mean we will take the strategic plan and commission and vision
values and throw it all that's what we are trying to get in this document. So, yeah, we
are collaborating with not just in-house staff, but other agencies and departments, too.
So, we kind of talked at the higher level. I want to just bullet point for you real quick
some of the next steps that we have identified for -- for the Comprehensive Plan itself.
I'm getting some of the details of where we envision staff spending quite a bit of our
time. We are going to work on rolling in the Destination Downtown recommendations
that are applicable, so some of the actions that they will take, some -- some work to
filter through there and pick and choose stuff that belongs in our Comprehensive Plan.
We are going to put together a future acquisition -- can you pass that around? Okay.
So, the future acquisitions map from Kuna, we don't have one currently. State code
allows us to do that and for future acquisitions map in our plan that shows where we
plan on having future facilities as justification, basically, as a property owner develops or
whatever, we can have a map that, you know, shows things like well sites or
overpasses and paths and parks and 3rd Street will be a good one for that map.
Schools, fire stations, etc. So, we will need legal as part of that team to work on a
future acquisitions map. I mentioned referencing director's PADs, CIPs, strategic plan,
and current action items for including in the Comp Plan. Again, that will be coupled with
the Existing Conditions Report, which is our back bone. That will be kind of -- the tie,
the where are we going type visioning information that will lead to detailed goals and
objectives and the action items. Public participation. So, we are going to focus on
some gaps where we know we have them or where we don't address some items --
elements currently. And where there have been new initiatives that have been
undertaken since the Comp Plan was adopted, as I mentioned. So, we are looking to
kick that off in about July. We are going to kind of game plan, see how this goes, game
plan some key folks that we think may be good to sit on some steering committees.
That will be July to about November is the timeline for that. We are looking at steering
committees for housing affordability and CDBG being a newer compliant or initiative of
the city. Matt's already actually formed a group of local professionals that are interested
in this. He's going to talk a little bit more on that as we jump into the Existing Conditions
Report. The Arts Commission, fairly new group that is not mentioned in the
Comprehensive Plan. So, I have gone to the Arts Commission. They were a little
reluctant to put together a full steering committee, but I have some folks, at least that I
can bounce some things off of and put together some -- some of what they are doing in
their five year plan and work that into the Comprehensive Plan as well. Sustainability
and conservation. Molly in Public Works is fairly new, so the whole environmental
sustainability initiative is a new thing that isn't currently addressed in our
Comprehensive Plan and it is going to take some work to -- to bring all that out and,
really, what that means. So, that will take some time. And, then, finally the fourth one
that we have identified is -- is the economic environment and with Brenda being on,
think we could use a whole new overhaul of the economic component in our
Comprehensive Plan, because it's lacking, to be quite frank. I mean it doesn't have a lot
to take home. There is not really a take home message in the current Comp Plan, so
I'm hoping that with Brenda we can work on -- on a new chapter in there that really
paints the picture that we are trying to paint for economic development in Meridian
going forward. So, those are the areas we have addressed for -- for more involved
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public outreach and these steering committees or working groups or whatever you want
to call them. If you have others -- as you read through this document you say, boy, we
really need to have a group of citizens from this area or whatever, talk about this
element or whatever, please, let us know. But those are the ones that we plan on really
flushing out and getting detail oriented on. The other ones we feel are pretty good, they
just need the updating, they need some revamping slightly, but at its core it's still pretty
solid stuff. But if you see any other ones that you'd like to take this one apart or set it up
from scratch and get some folks together to do that, that's fine, too. So, if you can kind
of keep that in the forefront of your mind when you go through the Existing Conditions
Report that would be helpful for us. So, then, after that public involvement process and
kind of getting all those groups and their recommendations, I'll go through the current
Comprehensive Plan, pull out most of the stuff that made it in here and pare it way back
to, really, what it is we are trying to get at and, then, we will bring that back to this joint
meeting group sometime Septemberish -- I need to talk with the clerk and we will get all
their schedules together, but end late summer, somewhere in there, do something again
and bring the revised Comp Plan, then, back to you and say here is -- this is the
recommendation from the steering committees and staff and -- and departments will
play a large role in this -- and get your comments on that and, then, assuming all goes
well after that meeting, we can make whatever changes you all seem need to be
necessary, but, then, we would like to have the noticing done and do some workshops
with the general public, maybe even a -- a town haul meeting, we will blog about it, we
will put in on Facebook, we will invite people to meetings probably in here to take --
solicit comments, basically, on that draft that's out there. Maybe even do some surveys.
I think probably most of you have seen the COMPASS clicker deals that look remote
controls that they have that you can do surveys on, you have somebody, you know, put
together 15 or 20 question surveys to see where people -- where people's values lie or
what they value more than other things at these town hall meetings, again, or coffee
with the Mayor or something like that. So, it's kind of a -- the plan for some of that
public involvement process. We will go to the developers council, the chamber, you
know, some of those others that we know are interested in and active in these types of
things and, then, what we will do is update the text based on, you know, the public
outreach and, then, submit the application to the Planning and Zoning Commission and
the Council for -- and, again, there will be another -- there are, obviously, going to be
public hearings as well, so the public will be invited to come and comment there.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: When you do list of the public outreach, I just want to make sure MDC is one
of those. They didn't exist in 2002. They do now and they just recently did their
Destination Downtown public thing and I just want to make sure that was on the list.
Hood: Thank you. So, wrapping all that up, we are looking at submittal of the
application by around the end of this year. So, there is certainly some work to be done,
but we got a good jump on it with this Existing Conditions Report. So, that's kind of the
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overview for the Comprehensive Plan, the public participation process and what we
hope to accomplish from the next six, seven months of working on it. So, I think what I'd
like to do now is go ahead and hand out the Existing Conditions Report and I will go
ahead and just start talking about it.
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: Excuse me, Caleb. Before we go on, I've got a few comments about the
overview on the Comp Plan, if you would like them now or do you want to wait?
Hood: It's your workshop, so we will do it whatever, so --
Canning: Now would be great.
Rountree: Well, before I forget some of them, which I will, early on you talked about as
you excise certain things out of the current comp plan, one of which were goals and
objectives and the fact that we accomplished some. I would like to see us highlight
those goals and objectives and accomplishments up front, because all too often these
plans go on the shelf and people look at them and say what did they accomplish. And I
think it would be good if we take away the historic aspect of the Comp Plan, which
agree with, to highlight what we have accomplished and that it was actually a goal and
objective in a previous comp plan. I like your cut sheet, but keep in mind that as staff
works with the customer, some properties have entitlements that are not necessarily
just those that are shown on the Comprehensive Plan map, because of previous zoning
or activity. So, I'm assuming that the GIS system will accommodate that, but it's not just
a matter of coming in, my parcel is red, here is your cut sheet. Do some research. Oh.
And your parcel is also green. Here is two cut sheets. Or three or however many it
might be. So, we don't get this misunderstanding of, well, I thought I could, but now
staffs telling me and Councilman Bird gets a phone call -- just make sure it doesn't
become a rogue kind of a thing. I really like the overall philosophy you're talking about
in terms of the plan tying in all the needs and all the planning activities and the capital
expenditures and whatnot of the city, as well as the utilities that provide for the city.
That's a grand idea and I support taking out the background, the historic information, but
I would suggest when you do the acknowledgments of accomplishments you provide
people -- here is the thing we have done in the past and here is where you can find it
and, hopefully, we have them on our website at a minimum. So, those were the things
jotted down as you went through, so just some thoughts.
Hood: And thank you, those are great comments. Madam Mayor, if I may, but we have
talked about two. I mean to show that exact thing, you know, not just here is the new
Comp Plan and with all new goals, objectives, and action items, but striking through or
highlighting things. This one being removed because it happened in 2004 or -- or
whatever. Some accountability and shows what -- what exactly is changing from what
we have on the books right now.
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Rountree: Good.
Hood: I like the idea of summarizing that and I guess my question back and just to think
about it, you don't have to answer now, I would even think that could even go in this
Existing Conditions Report document, not necessarily the Comp Plan itself at kind of the
end thing. Here is what the city accomplished from 2000 -- here is the goals, objectives,
and action items, you know, basically, the ones that we accomplished, just in bullet
point format, essentially, here to show that, yeah, we did do some things and we are
adding some new things in, we are ready to tackle the next challenges and so, no, I like
it, I think that's a great comment. And I do want to just -- I won't say defend the cut
sheets, but I don't think we intend that to just be a -- you come in, you plan your
property, we hand you a cut sheet and you're on your way. I fully envision staff being
engaged with folks as they come in and find out more information that could just be after
you do that here is a take home thing that kind of, you know, highlights the overall -- so,
see where you're coming from, though, and I just wanted to clarify that it's not just a --
you ring a bell and you figure out which color you are and you're on your way and you
don't have the human interaction, because there is a lot more involved to it than that,
but -- so, thank you for the comments.
De Weerd: Caleb, I guess a couple of other things. Is -- with the broadening of this and
with the collaborative model that is trying to be established, so it's not just a document
for the Planning Department, but a living document for city planning in general and kind
of a task sheet as well. I'd like to -- to maybe bring this to the director's meeting and talk
about in the summer we have budget hearings, maybe in November, December we
have an annual report on activities to the Comp Plan in meeting different timelines or
goals and that that would be a report to the Planning and Zoning Commission and the
City Council and, you know, showing the progress to certain -- or accomplishments,
those kind of things where you bring all of those parties to the table and show all the
various activities going on and where we are at in those activities. So, it is a living
document, it's not just something we do every ten years or -- it's actually something that
has a report card to it as well.
Canning: And just to clarify. So, it would almost be like a -- like each -- each
department has their strategic plan for just their department and this might be kind of an
overall the city's -- how are we meeting the Comp Plan and strategic plan of the city and
the detailed information would be through each department, something like that.
De Weerd: Yeah. And also we are bringing something to City Council in the budget
with the city wide survey and see how any of the information you need from the public
perspective can be crafted into some of the questions that we might be considering.
Marshall: Madam Mayor, if I could. Caleb, I have another question about your cut
sheets. First, I really like the idea if being able to say, you know, hey, here is a sheet
that kind of gives me some highlights and some ideas of what I might do with my
property or things like that, but the new matrix -- if I remember how that was supposed
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to work, wasn't it kind of -- rather than creating individual colors on a map that it would
actually blend the -- the edges of those together, so -- isn't that how it worked is that you
had to look at all the property surrounding that property, not only the zone it was in and,
then, how it interacted with those properties, so that now you're creating a situation
where there might be hundreds of cut sheets?
Hood: Madam Mayor, Commissioner Marshall, I don't think that was the intent at all.
No, we just look at doing -- not all the combinations of -- you could be future land use
this and have that adjacent property that you need to accommodate, but this would be
at a higher leveled than that. It would be used -- I don't want to say -- it wouldn't be in
concert with the design guide, but we would -- we would need to look at both of them,
certainly, yes. This just helps you to understand maybe what zoning request, what
building setbacks may be. Now, again, you have -- if you're doing something that
requires design review, you have to also look that document and see -- follow that
matrix there, too. This -- and I think that document there is Boise city, so we will have to
to change ours to add some language about design review and go see this, go see that,
and some cross-references of -- to make it really useful, you know, you may have to
have landscape buffers. They wouldn't allowed you to do this or whatever. I mean --
but, no, I don't -- we don't want to make it too cumbersome for staff to have hundreds of
cut sheets. I mean 15, maybe, tops or a dozen, you know, based on all the different
categories you could be for future land use, so -- but I don't think it will conflict either.
mean we aren't trying to paint a picture that isn't doable. It will be something that is at a
higher level. Here are generally what you could do. You know, it's not saying go build
this, necessarily, in the context of your property here is, you know, what -- with that
future land use map designation you can do things like this.
Canning: Let me -- yeah. Let me jump in a little bit, too. I understand your concern,
because the whole design guidelines are built, basically, to bridge the Comp Plan to the
zoning ordinance and this cut sheet is starting to sound like that. So, I understand why
you raised the question. What I see the cut sheet as more, though, is just pure vision..
You know, here is -- here is kind of what we had in mind. It's not what you have to do.
Here is what -- when I say mixed use -- here is the images that are kind of -- that staff
and City Council have in their mind when we use that word. Not that you have to
develop it exactly that way, but here is how it looks to us. Because that's really difficult
to communicate to folks that come in. You know, what does medium density residential
look like, as opposed to medium high. What's that vision that's in our heads and how do
we communicate that to them and without having kind of a series of pictures and little
site plans and things like that, it's very difficult -- you know, eight dwelling units to the
acre doesn't mean much to most folks. You know, you to have to show them with a
picture of eight units to the acre. So, I think that that's what we are thinking of more is
trying to capture that vision in some cut sheets that we can hand across. But, you
know, I'm leery of getting anywhere close to design standards or to zoning standards,
because, then, it gets very complicated. But the idea is just that vision. We have one
map in the whole mixed use section that shows a street grid and so when we talk about
neighborhood centers, that's the one thing we have to show folks and it doesn't really
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communicate all that well, other than the text. So, it's just more to get that picture of --
of what our vision is.
Hood: Okay. Are we ready to jump into the Existing Conditions Report? So, the state
Local Land Use Planning Act requires 15 specific elements to be evaluated as part of
the city's Comprehensive Plan. So, we took those 15 elements and they are evaluated,
then, in the Existing Conditions Report and -- as well as other important elements to the
city that aren't required by state code, but certainly make sense for Meridian to address.
And, again, we updated the information to reflect the community today, placed into a
format that makes sense and provide the backbone for the Comp Plan. Talked about
being an appendix. What we envision for this document itself, Existing Conditions
Report, is that, you know, we were putting quite a bit of work into formatting this thing
and if we can stay on top of it and update it about every three years or so, you shouldn't
have to do a significant rewrite of your Comprehensive Plan. I mean if you can just go
back in and look what the census numbers say next spring when those are released,
start to insert some of that stuff and just keep it updated on a fairly regular basis and not
wait ten years so you're -- until you're so far -- you know, doubled in size, then, we
should be able to keep this document a living document that is accurate and up to date.
You will see, though, that we had to go on the best available information, so some of the
2000 census data is used, which wasn't the ideal situation, but we can work through it,
especially if we are going to update this in another few years. And we talk about
contacting all service providers and other agencies and departments and that was very
helpful. For the most part I got a great response from either the directors or the
designees or the chiefs or tenants or whoever did a really good job. SSC. Idaho
Power. The whole lot, you know, had a -- it's been a good experience working with
them so far, so -- so, I do want to go through the report. We are going to flip through it
page by page, although we don't stop on every page, unless you want to. So, again,
feel free, if something catches your eye, you want more information, you want to talk
about it, you're like what's this or where is that, feel free to jump in at anytime. I have
about 12 pages that I wanted to stop just briefly on and highlight. Other than that just
kind of -- we will just get familiar with the document. The introduction's pretty straight
forward. It talks about the Local Land Use Planning Act and the history of Meridian.
Fred's new book gets a little shout out there in the history section, so that's noted. Page
seven. I do want to call out real quick on page seven, I guess, in the introduction, that
we -- some of the references and notes have to be compiled yet. We struggled with
how to site the works on some of this and we played around with a couple different
formats, so right now the siting is inconsistent and I think what we are going to go to is
an end note format, so at the end of the documents we will have all of our documents
signed from the -- especially all the tables and the different resource materials, it's going
to be too cumbersome for right next to the table itself. So, that isn't in here yet, but it will
be something we will be working on compiling the end notes and the citations for the
sources we used. I'm going to jump -- keep flipping, but jump to page 22, unless there
is something in between now and then that -- I will point out Matt Ellsworth put together
most of this first section on population and demographics and I think he did a great job.
Anna did -- I think I mentioned early most of the formatting, she made it clear, but Matt
put a lot of the -- a lot of the work into compiling a lot of this information from census
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data, COMPASS, and some of the other sources. So, page 22 is a map, so that's the
HUD CDBG affordability working group that I mentioned previously. Again, this is not
addressed currently in our Comp Plan. This is the first time that we talked about HUD in
the documents and it ties nicely in with the housing component economics there and
think I'm going to turn it over to Matt and he can outline his steering committee that's
already off the ground and running, they have met two -- two times? Twice so far and
have brought a couple of recommendations forward as part of the Comp Plan itself.
Ellsworth: Thank you, Caleb. So, the specific section that -- that I have been working
on with this working group, started off as the affordable housing component of the
Comprehensive Plan sub group of housing or however it winds up making its way into
the final report. As Caleb mentioned, we convened a working group of area
professionals, consisting of Ada County Housing Authority, a representative from the
local real estate community, Idaho Housing and Finance Association. There is a
representative of the faith based community Dan Clark, who has been active in other
aspects of the city. The Department of Housing and Urban Development is represented
in the neighboring communities, as well as Nampa and Boise are represented on this
group. So, it's a great group of folks, they are very very well qualified and, frankly, they
have provided me with the direction that I need, because this is relatively -- relatively
new to me as well. So, they have just sort of pointed me in a direction and that's where
I'm trying to go with this. So, to start things off we discussed the definition of affordable
housing and we looked at the different Housing and Urban Development definitions and
trying to get to something that's tangible that we can -- we can use as a yard stick for
this Existing Conditions Report. What we came up with was that 30 percent of a
person's income -- anything under that is considered affordable, so long as the housing
is up to par for them. The Department of Housing and Urban Development further
distinguishes between incomes with the benchmark of 30, 50, and 80 percent of area
median income and within those different ranges they consider house -- a household
extremely low income, low income, or moderate income respectively. So, with that in
mind we dove in, started taking a look at different available data sources that the group
was tremendously helpful in identifying for us and what we found, again, was factoring
in not only area median income, also utilities, property taxes, and the like that affordable
home ownership opportunities are extremely limited, if not nonexistent in that 30 percent
of area median income range here in Meridian. When you get into the 50 percent of
area median income things loosen up a little bit, choices are somewhat limited, but
there are options and by the time you get to 80 percent of area median income there is
an awful lot to choose from, actually, with the current situation and the correction in
process. All things considered, their option are not 80 percent. There is also somewhat
similar with the rental market as well. At fair market rates ample opportunities for rental
-- relative units at 80 percent of area median income. There is a fair amount of
selection in that 50 percent range. When you get into the 30 percent range, your
choices are, again, extremely limited, if not nonexistent. So, in other research that the
group has pointed me towards and some things that I have stumbled on myself, that
paints a pretty indicative picture of what goes on across the country. This is not a
situation that's unique to Meridian. The question, then, becomes what -- what services
are available to bridge that gap, where can you point people and what, if any, steps are
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appropriate fora community to take to start creating some of those additional
opportunities. So, the draft existing conditions component here for affordable housing
also gets back to Ada Housing Authority, the section program that they administer as a
housing choice voucher program, essentially, to allow disadvantage populations to get
in and obtain a market rate rental -- rental unit. So, those are -- at the very high level
those are -- those are the findings of this report. Looking forward from here, it's -- and
I'm learning quickly that it's very difficult to discuss affordable housing without
broadening that conversation to consider other -- other services and other
considerations of disadvantaged and lower income populations, like homelessness is a
good example. A lot of the elements that the Community Development Block Grant
program addresses also wind up -- wind up getting rolled in with this. So, I anticipate
looking forward that with this working group, in addition to just providing an awful lot of
help for the Existing Conditions Report for the Comprehensive Plan update as it
pertains to affordable housing and homelessness, that a lot of the input that these folks
will provide is going to feed directly into the city's consolidated plan update, which we
will -- will begin coming up here next year and the consolidated plan is a Community
Development Block Grant guiding document, it's somewhat similar in the federal realm
to the city's Comprehensive Plan, in fact, but -- but it does have more of that emphasis
on some of the considerations that the federal government and Department of Housing
and Urban Development want communities to keep in mind as they are going down that
road. So, the two are definitely going to work together, we are going to look to connect
some of those dots between the Comprehensive Plan and the consolidated plan to the
extent possible and that's going to start here with this working group and with the work
that Caleb and the Planning Department are doing right now. Other outputs of the
process that we are going through with the working group right now will include
recommendations on new and/or revised goals, objectives, action items as they relate
to HUD and affordability and possibly, again, branching into some of those more
community block grant oriented considerations of homeless and services to low
moderate income folks. So, again, thanks to that working group. If you have any
questions I'd be happy to do what I can to answer those.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: Just an additional question -- not actually on this subject, but at one time
somebody -- and I don't remember who or where mentioned to me that there is another
layer beyond affordable housing called workforce housing. Is that a real thing and there
is a distinction between the two?
Ellsworth: Madam Mayor, Councilman Zaremba, I think there is a distinction between
the two and it really depends on where the conversation generates. The terms that I
laid out there for you are Housing and Urban Development terms that are applied
specifically to the Community Development Block Grant funding program, although in
my research, to be completely honest with you, they define different things differently
depending on what program you're working in, even within that HUD umbrella. So, the
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lines between extremely low income, very low income, low income and moderate
income, it depends on the program that you're working in. Workforce housing is -- at
least my understanding of it is it's certainly similar. It's definitely related. It's what a
working wage could afford in whatever locality you're in. We didn't really take that
approach. It's the sort of thing that definitely, again, ties into it and presumably
somewhere in that 50 to 80 percent of area median income, I assume, is where a lot of
that workforce housing would fall. But workforce housing has been something that's
specifically called out by name in the work that I have been doing so far. Does that
answer your question?
Zaremba: It does. Thank you.
Canning: Council Member Zaremba, the times that I have heard workforce housing
come into the conversation is usually when there is an affordability problem above the
80 percent. That first group tends to be the workforce housing and sometimes there is
areal emphasis to try and at least meet that one. I mean meeting that that's below 80 is
pretty tough, just to be honest. So, sometimes people just target for that workforce
housing where they do have a decent income, you know, they are school teachers, they
have got good jobs, but they just can't afford it, because there is an affordability
problem. I don't think we are there anymore, I think with this market correction we are
probably okay. So, we will probably focus just more on affordability in general, rather
than workforce housing, but that's when I have heard it used more.
Ellsworth: And, Madam Mayor, Councilman Zaremba, we may also run into an awful lot
more of the answers to that sort of question when we get into consolidated plan update.
One piece of that puzzle is a much more in depth housing inventory that we will
probably look to outside -- outside consultants to help us prepare both real estate and
market professional folks who are better equipped, certainly, than I am to get in and
really tell us what's going on and that would be a good opportunity for us to make some
of those comparisons between what's available in the housing market and what typical
wages in this area can afford to start identifying the areas of need and consider different
ways that -- that we can address any issues, assuming any issues arise.
Zaremba: Thank you.
De Weerd: So, Matt, how extensive will you be going into that and will you be looking at
different programs and financing programs to meet certain goals, also in terms of what
kind of affordable housing projects we would like to see happen in our community, along
with design standards and those kind of things. What -- to what extent is this committee
looking at these?
Ellsworth: Madam Mayor, I -- that's a difficult question to answer right now. Again, we
have only met twice so far and a lot of it has -- has been me throwing up a flag for help.
How do I get the information that we are looking for here? I have, with Caleb's help,
sort of reined it back a little bit after the first meeting where they were really ready to
dive in and start making some recommends identifying appropriate locations for
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additional affordable housing and we sort of said, okay, well, wait a second, both for my
understanding and for the community's understanding what would really be beneficial
right now, rather than diving into that, is help to crawl through the thought process
through which you arrived at that conclusion. So, they are helping us to take those
baby steps to understand the situation that's going on around us. I think for the
Comprehensive Plan update itself, what I see coming out of it is going to be more either
general policy recommendations or recommendations to look further into this specific
consideration or through the analysis to impediments to fair housing, which is another
part of your consolidated plan. Make sure you focus on that. So, I plan to lean rather
heavily, again, on this group, not only for the foundation information that we need for
this report and the Comprehensive Plan update, but also in getting direction for,
basically, areas of further inquiry for other related pursuits that the city is going to go
into in the next couple years.
De Weerd: Well, I guess my question, better framed, is as you start looking at a
direction that you want feedback from this group, can you bring that to Council, so that
we know that -- the direction your group is taking is of interest and concern of the
Council as well?
Canning: Madam Mayor, we will. We will bring back the draft goals, policies, and
objectives to the Council and Commission in a joint hearing before we go out and make
it a public draft. So, our intent is to get a nod and we will show it in underline and strike
out so that you can see the changes and move forward. But this is -- the reason Matt's
speaking to you with more detail than you will get the rest of the night -- we promise
every section won't be this detailed, but I think it shows the complexity of how we have
got this Comprehensive Plan, we have the CDBG program and we have to do a
consolidated plan for that and one of Matt's goals has been to fold the consolidated plan
into the Comprehensive Plan more and this working group is helping him do that. So,
we will try and get the -- the beginnings of what at least the consolidated plan needs to
look at and, then, we will focus efforts there. So, you will also have an opportunity as
we work on that consolidated plan to discuss especially the 80 percent and low -- lower
affordability for that one and, then, probably the Comprehensive Plan will get the 80
percent and above. Probably. It has to all work together. But the consolidated plan is
more geared toward the CDBG administration.
De Weerd: Well, I guess my caution is with a diverse group like that is you can be
pulled in so many different directions it will be hard to accomplish anything real specific,
so we want real focus on it, make sure -- we don't have a lot of funds with the
Community Development Block Grant and we want to make sure that those funds are
spent in the priority areas, but meet the vision of the Comprehensive Plan and, you
know, the goals and objectives that this group can buy into.
Hoaglun: Madam Mayor, you just touched on the comment I was going to make and
that is while it will be interesting to see the goals that you come up with, because we
want to measure the progress and make sure we are making progress, so those goals
are going to be important, because that -- where that focus is and the measurements
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that come as this program moves forward are very important to make sure we are going
in the right direction.
De Weerd: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor, you're probably aware of this or maybe or maybe not. It's
somewhere in the Sun Valley area and it may either be Ketchum or Hailey, they actually
have an ordinance that every development must provide 25 percent affordable housing
or, as an alternative, they can submit money into a fund similar to what MDC has with
our downtown parking, you either have it on your development or you can put money
into a fund and that's one possibility for funding affordable housing and making sure that
you get it and I don't know whether this is the right group to monitor what's happening in
that city with the ordinance, but it's one suggestion.
Ellsworth: Thank you very much for that suggestion and, actually, that's the sort of thing
that I was thinking .about when Anna responded to your comments about workforce
housing as well. I mean on the one hand I can certainly see that sort of
recommendation coming from this group. To get back to the Mayor's point, they are
recommendations and you guys will have an awful lot of different -- different factors to
consider in making the decision on what actually materializes, but I think the Blaine
county example is a great example of what Anna was talking about earlier as a
community where those housing opportunities weren't necessarily there for your 80
percent, they had a shortage of affordable housing and the bottom line was that the
people who are paramedics, who are teachers, who are providing very essential
community services in Blaine county couldn't afford to live there, they had to go down to
Camas county and other areas, so -- so, while I could definitely see that sort of
recommendation coming out of this group, I fully anticipate that it will be one of many
many different factors the Council considers in deciding what makes the final cut.
Another -- and appreciate your point, Mayor, that that's something we will definitely keep
an eye on. Another point on the consolidated plan that might be relevant, getting back
to your point, is that one of the things that HUD really looks for in -- in these plans and in
our reporting back to them is not necessarily just what's going on here in Meridian, they
look at the broader community, so they are talking about services available in Boise,
services available in Nampa. What does the broader community have available to meet
some of those needs. So, that may be additionally some of the input that comes out of
this group. It won't necessarily be to say -- say we need such and such service in
downtown Meridian, it's, hey, if there is questions about such and such service come up
in Meridian is Meridian in a position where we can refer them to where those services
are available? So, that might be another way to balance some of these things out. But,
again, I agree, it will be interesting to see what sort of goals these folks come up with
and we will maintain regular contact with you guys going through the process.
Hood: And if I can I'll just add onto that. I think we may be able to have -- depending on
where this group goes, we may be able to a-mail those -- aside from the whole strike
through, underline of all the goals and objectives and actions items, their specific policy
recommendations to you ahead of time, just so you can review them and we can ask
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questions, maybe, before it goes to print for a full review, because I don't want them to
get lost in with all the other ones either. So, if we have something that maybe we can
send to the Council before this whole process, say, hey, this is where things look like
they are going, do you have any comments at this point, I think we can probably do that
and share that with you earlier and say, boy, this is going to be a nonstarter for us, don't
waste anymore time or, hey, we really like it, spend more time doing this or whatever,
think that would be beneficial for not only the Council, but probably for this working
group. We don't want them to spend a whole bunch of time on this stuff and at the end
of the day it's stuff we don't want in our Comp Plan. So, I think that's something we can
do when we get to that point and have some -- some draft policies, some draft action
items that they are contemplating sending forward as a recommendation to Council and
share those with you I think at the appropriate time, so --
De Weerd: Thank you. It seems like an enormous task.
Ellsworth: The question stands for sure, so --
Hood: So, I'm going to keep moving on, we have only made it page 23, about another
hundred to go. But the next ten pages or so are economic development and you
probably all kept thumbing through with economic, you know, taxes, labor, workforce
employment, job site jurisdiction, trends, commercial vacancy rates, MDC. So, on page
31 there is a little bit about economic development there and MDC, the core, and there
is, actually, another section in land use that has the other enterprise corridor, so I'm
going to go ahead and move the discussion about the core there back over into the land
use section. Destination Downtown, again, is highlighted there, so we talk about it in a
couple of different places as well. So, then, we get into land use, transportation, and
community design, three of the 15 elements the state code requires of to evaluate that
all seem to group together fairly nicely and become a nice section to be evaluated. Built
environment, residential, commercial -- as a lot of this stuff is real similar to what we
have today in the Comprehensive Plan, again, just updated with numbers from today,
how many acres of what different zones do we have out there, how much do we still
have available. Same analysis with the future land use map. The Ten Mile Interchange
Specific Area Plan, Destination Downtown, the fields district in south Meridian. So,
again, when I said move the core over, they seem to fit a little bit better here on page
40, 41, once there is stuff on the core there, another business enterprise corridor.
Continuing on, our area of impact, transportation, all the committees and commissions
there.
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: Caleb, on the last sentence on the first paragraph of the area of impact,
insures protection for the city and land owners against adjacent incompatible
development. I believe that's a bit of wishful thinking, but -- I mean that's the intent, but,
unfortunately, state statute doesn't keep somebody from annexing a piece of property in
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our area of impact and doing whatever they please
intent of the language is right, but the reality is the
then, my second comment is on the last sentence
page 43, were it's talking about agreements with
have adopted our area of impact, but I don't know
agreements with Eagle and Kuna.
Hood: No, I don't believe we do.
De Weerd: Ada County does.
So, you know, maybe -- maybe the
~t could very well not happen. And,
of that section above the graphic on
Ada County, which we, since they
shat we have necessarily substantive
Hood: I think the intent was to enter into an agreement --
Rountree: Yes.
Hood: -- with those -- it's worded a little funky there.
Rountree: We have worked at that, but not accomplished it.
Hood: Yeah. Thank you. So, the transportation, the roadway network -- we have kind
of the lay reader in mind, just Joe Blow off the streets, so a lot of this stuff we try to -- I
don't want to say dumb it down, but try to keep in simple, try to explain the basics and
what we do with a lot of this stuff, you know, that we talk about, functional
classifications, the roadways, and kind of the hierarchy there and travel times and
commuting, which everybody is interested in. Transportation funding plans. Again, we
don't go too in depth into that, but we do try to paint the picture of how it happens and
that there are -- you know, there is a STIP at the state and -- and a five year work plan
locally and a PIC for the region and kind of -- you know, we lay it out there so it tells the
story, but not with all the details necessarily. I do want to pause on page 52, because
this is a newer section, with the whole TLIP thing. So, ranking transportation and land
use is pretty new concept, at least for this area, so we talk about, you know, the
sustainability stuff that's really hot right now, with the TIGER grants and other federal
grants that are out there for establishing these live, work, TOD plans and developments
and, then, getting down to the local level with ACHD and their TLIP process and going
through the complete streets and cost share, a master street map, and livable street
design guide. So, just to -- that's how we are tying in a lot of what's happened over the
past couple of years with the ACHD TLIP here. Probably some of it will make it into
goals and objectives and action items within the Comp Plan itself, as well as we may
even have to do a UDC amendment or two that we change city code to require some of
these things consistent. But, again, most of these are just the high level overview of
what they are, it doesn't get into the nuts and bolts of them, but I think it does a pretty
good job of explaining the various tools of TLIP and how they are meant to be used and
who uses them and when and working together how they will get the roadway context
and the complete street constructed. And, then, continue on with mobility management,
you know, we talked about, you know, alternative modes of transportation, essentially,
and mobility management certainly means more than that, but it could be sharing
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resources, so if you have got a van and I don't, but I need to use a van, we can share a
van and you have different hours than I do, I can move people from A to B at different
times that you're moving the vehicle, so -- or using the vehicle, so some sharing of
resources, essentially. Alternative modes of transportation. A transit rail. Park and ride
lots. Air. Car pools. And, then, community design on page 59. Now, this isn't a new
section, it's not a new element that LUPA requires. However, we have expanded it
pretty substantially in the Existing Conditions Report, a lot of the community design from
the 2002 version of the Comp Plan was based on those working groups and those
subcommittees for land use, the transportation, and all that and, basically, set in the
surveys or what staff heard at that time from those public involvement in this process
on, what was important to them in community design. Well, we have kind of expanded
it now to talk about some of our new initiatives, like design review and sustainability and
LEED building construction and some of that stuff that's -- things that make a good
friendly neighborhood. I mean it's hard -- it's hard to describe exactly what livability is.
think it may be even in here it's something -- you know, you just -- you know it when
you're there. It feels right. You're happy, you're home, you're content, it's -- you know,
a lot of people like Hyde Park, I don't mind going there, but for a lot of people the north
end and Hyde Park it's it, that's where you want to be, that's -- there is just -- there is a
vibe to it and that's sort of what livability is. There is a -- it's just got everything. You
can live there, you can shop there, you can work there, you can play there, it's kind of
just an all in one place to be. So, that's kind of what our community design tries to get
to. It's not just -- we are not saying we want to be Hyde Park, but it's saying there is a
lot of elements that go into this. It's a healthy community, it's a walkable community, it's
air quality, it's interconnected neighborhoods, it's parks, it's all these different things that
make that. There is really not a good measure for those things. Certainly people have
tried, but it's a combination of all these factors that just make a great community
neighborhood. So, that -- that really is a -- for us it's a pretty new section and new
analysis that isn't currently addressed in the Comprehensive Plan. Let's see. Talk
about some of the other -- like the reclaimed water is also part of that. You know, we
got to value our renewable resources or nonrenewable resources and what are some of
the steps we are taking to preserve or restore some of our resources we have here.
There is actually another section in the section that talks about natural resources, but
this gets to some of the actions that are currently underway, again, with some of the
reclaimed water and some of those things. And, then, we jump into recycling and solid
waste. Some of those programs. Household hazardous waste. And, then, some of the
planning context, like new urbanism, bringing streets or buildings closer to the street,
walkable communities, mixed use -- I mean kind of all those buzz words that are used in
the planning realm today that for the most part are part of a -- an alive and active
neighborhood. We talked about health earlier. Safe routes to school. I'm on page 74
now. That's a new section, health initiatives, where the Central District Health on some
of what they have got going on and I imagine some of what they have provided to me
will make it into the Comp Plan itself. It's kind of defining what makes a healthy
community or trying to get a -- put a finger on what a healthy community is and how we
envision being a healthy community and what we are doing today through our
development review process and what Central District Health encourages. Safe routes
to schools. Day cares. That's a big thing right now. You know, a lot of the planning
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literature out there today, you know, you talk about mixed use, but it really adds to talk
about workforce housing for minute. I mean if somebody has to drive 15 minutes out of
their way to drop their kid off at work and, then, commute back the other way, that all
factors into their cost of living and doing business and congestion and a whole bunch of
things. So, accessible, affordable, quality child care opportunities within a
neighborhood or near by, on your way to work or whatever is generally a good thing to
have. Not saying it's right for every neighborhood, but generally a good thing to have.
We have highlighted some of the youth programs that are out there. The free fishing
day that was just this last weekend. The picture there with the young ladies with some
fish. Page 75. It talks about the Boys and Girls Club and some of the other things that
have gone on in, again, the recent past. And, then, we jump to the senior programs,
explains some of that and how, you know, the nation is aging and we will need to
provide these integrated, connected, mixed use neighborhoods are good for all of the
age spectrum, especially as folks can't drive anymore, they need to walk to their
appointments or where ever and so putting those close into neighborhoods tend to be a
good idea. It talks about the senior center planned in Kleiner Park, some of the other
exciting things that are going on right now. Then on page 78, the arts entertainment
community events. Again, this is a newer section, some new stuff that I got from Emily
and the rest of the arts commission folks on what they are doing in their five year
strategic plan, what they are charged with doing, so there is a little section on them.
History center and heritage, there is a little bit at the end, again, of this document, more
on historic and cultural resources that are highlighted. We do plan on beefing that up a
little bit more. I talked to Lyla today again for just a little while, but we will be working
with her over the next couple few months to -- to include some more of heritage --
Meridian's heritage in either this document, the Existing Conditions Report, or the Comp
Plan itself, depending on how they kind of lay out. We are just trying to tell the story, for
the most part, with those, although there is some preservation things as well that will
probably play out. And, then, the community events. Essentially, just the list of the
community events that we have going on. Shelley Houston of the Mayor's office helped
me out with a lot of the pictures and some of the information on this section. So, we can
move onto the next chapter, unless there is anything in that one we just got through that
-- or any questions or comments. So, services that are provided. This is a big one as
well. The last one was, too, but the first part of this starts off pretty dry with all the
Public Works stuff, so you guys are already falling asleep, so I don't think I'm going to
jump into too much of that. So, Public Works did a great job and were very helpful in
telling their story. They talk about their environmental programs and all that. Page 86,
the public safety, so police and fire. Again, Chief Anderson helped me out with getting
some of that stuff before he left and Lieutenant Overton did most of the police
department stuff on page 86. So, moving on. Fire. Recreation and pathways. Steve
and Rachael helped get most of this together. I'm not quite sure who else -- other staff
they had involved with putting their stuff together, but they did a good job of talking
about how parks work there. How the parks commission works and what we have
already, you know, numbers of parks. There is a nice table. It was a little big, we
couldn't fit it on one page. Page 91 and 92 lists all the parks and summarizes kind of
what amenities are included with each park. And, then, on page 93 we -- this is a new
section as well. We -- in the current version we don't spend a ton of time talking about
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City Hall and the services that are provided in City Hall. Some of the administrative
services and things like that, even to maybe a little bit of a nod to building services
division and things like that, but we have kind of beefed that up and, basically, outlined
all the rest of the departments beginning on page 93, you know, just tells the -- and
most of this is from the website -- straight from the website saying clerk's office mission
is this and here is what they do. You know, again, high level details -- or high level
explanation of kind of what the charge is for all the different departments of the city that
aren't otherwise mentioned in this report.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: Caleb, under Western Ada Rec --
Hood: Yes.
Bird: -- the pool facility is operated by -- the pool facility is owned and operated by
Western Ada. I don't want people to think we own it and they operate it.
Hood: I will make that correction. Thank you.
De Weerd: You know, I guess that one struck me as if we are going to mention that, do
we mention the library, irrigation districts, solid waste, SSC --
Hood: They are coming up.
Canning; They are coming.
De Weerd: Oh. Okay. So, would that be more with the irrigation and solid waste?
Would that be more towards Public Works?
Hood: It fits under the recreation umbrella pretty well. I mean the parks still are places
to recreate, so that's where we have placed the Western Ada Recreation District.
De Weerd: No. I think that was well placed. I'm just talking about the other two,
because I had written that under Public Works. Did you want to talk about the irrigation
districts within our area of impact and SSC?
Hood: Yeah. We can certainly play with that. Again, maybe go through that, because
we play with how things flow and you can put some of these things in different order and
it still seems to work pretty well. So, yeah, I'm not adverse to moving things around, if
that's the way you think it works logistically through the report, that's fine, I have no
problems with that.
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Canning: Right now, Mayor, libraries are kind of just by themselves, but I'm not sure we
have all the irrigation districts.
Hood: And Scott Steckline is still actually working on a little update for me on the Boise
project, Nampa-Meridian, and Settlers, just to kind of piece together a little more
information on them. We have some stuff in the Comp Plan that hasn't changed all that
much, but we -- it wasn't quite ready to go to print in this document. But there is a --
there is a section in here and we are coming to it where I can show you where it's at,
but, yeah, we can move those around. SSC, again, they -- we almost look at them as a
department in the city and they are coming up I think right away. Not right a way, but
they are after the Mayor and Council, so -- so, that's addressed there. When you think
about this and say, boy, it sure makes more sense to me if we move this section over
there, I'm definitely okay with those kind of comments, so --
De Weerd: Well, either that or you pull -- you keep the city services kind of in its own
section and, then, you have service partners, where you would put ward and --
Rountree: Library.
De Weerd: -- the library --
Rountree: Utilities.
De Weerd: -- irrigation, utilities, those kind of things.
Bird: Mayor, it looks like they have done that with everything, but Western Ada. They
have got them in a section back here, which I think is very nice, again, with the solid
waste and schools and stuff like that. Library. Education. Public utilities.
Hood: We will move that Western Ada Rec that is kind of in the middle of all the city
stuff. Again, I think it falls under recreation. Maybe what we could do is even lose that
header, though, and just kind of fit them in as an aside. Oh, yeah, here are some
recreation components that aren't -- that the city doesn't own and operate, but are
within the city limits. That may be the best option, because, again, I think it makes
sense for them to be under recreation, but not necessarily in the middle of all the city
government stuff. If you have got other ideas, again, I'll just say it one more time, go
ahead and shoot me an a-mail or call me up and we can talk about it some more, too.
De Weerd: Okay. Thanks.
Hood: So, then, we went through, again, all the -- all the departments in City Hall just
briefly. And, then, some folks most of you will probably recognize on page 96 with the
Mayor and Council, which wasn't identified, and we just thought it would be nice to kind
of briefly overview the -- you know, how Meridian functions, what the rolls are of the
various commissions and councils and subcommittees and working groups and just --
you know, we don't get into a lot of the details on a lot these, but we do try to paint the
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picture that there are opportunities to get involved and there are folks doing things
behind the scenes that you probably haven't seen, but if you are interested here they
are and this is, basically, their charge. So, that's a newer part. Again, a lot of that was
gleaned from the website or, you know, asking parks and rec to give me some
information on their commissions and whatnot. Solid waste, they got me a ton of stuff,
and a lot of it was just based on their 2009 report to the city, but Samantha was very
good about getting any holes that weren't addressed in there and I think it's a good little
section. I pared it way back, though, from that 2009 report, but I think what we do have
in here is what most people are interested in. Education. Joint School District No. 2, all
their enrollment -- new enrollment numbers. Talking about, you know, transportation of
all the kids, elementary, middle, high. The ISU and -- I can't think of the name of the --
Renaissance high school program over there, giving a nod to that, which leads nice,
thought, into continuing education and talking about the various educational
opportunities for certifications or diplomas of the various varieties that are in the
Meridian area. Now, not all of them -- all the colleges and universities are in Meridian,
but we list them in the valley. So, those are there. There is on page 104 private
education opportunities that has not been completed. I'm not quite sure how to tackle
that. I did look at some other agencies from other cities and most of them don't do a
whole lot on private education opportunities, but we will look at some more, maybe go
through the phone book and find out what's out there for private education facilities in
Meridian.
Hoaglun: Madam Mayor and Caleb, just to jump up one on high schools, I notice you
talk about Renaissance High School, but I wouldn't mind seeing a little bit more
discussion about some of the alternatives -- and you mention alternative high schools,
but the medical arts, charter, professional technical, I mean they do a lot of innovative
things just to -- you don't have to really expand upon them, but call attention that there
are these speciality programs that really can channel kids into their interest and the
educational opportunities they can receive there are something else that might not be
offered elsewhere. So, just something to think about.
Hood: And I like it and I'm going to build on that for just one second. I tried to get Eric
to get me some information and Leann as well and they were not real responsive. So,
most everything you see here is off of their website and I asked them multiple times for
information.
De Weerd: You can ask Luke. We were asking for it as well and we just compiled it all
ourself.
Hood: Okay. So, you have got some information?
De Weerd: Yeah.
Hood: Okay. So, I apologize if some of this is a little light in the meat, but it's -- I just --
didn't know where else to go to get it. It wasn't on their website. I didn't know how to --
wasn't going to just start making it up, so -- okay. I will get with Luke and we will beef
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up that section, so -- and, then, the libraries, which were mentioned previously, and,
then, jumping into public utilities. Blake Lawson got me a ton of information, too. Tried
to pare that back, but some of that stuff I think will make it into the Comp Plan itself as
well. And a lot of these exhibits, too, look a lot better in color. We were just -- with this
being a draft we didn't want to pay for color -- color prints, but -- so, communications,
gas, irrigation -- there is the irrigation again. We will beef that up a little bit more with
some of the stuff that settlers and MNID and Boise project has going on, but it's a good
start I think for what they do. We didn't -- what Scott is looking at is a little bit more on
relationship. So, they are there, how do we work with them, what is -- what is their role
or your role as a property owner and as you develop property how do they play into the
whole process. So, that's kind of what we are -- the next step with some of that
irrigation stuff is how we all kind of work within the context of these or work with these
service providers and what that means to potential developers or property owners, so
that's what we are kind of waiting for.
Canning: Caleb, before you move on, Madam Mayor, to address the organizational
question you had before, I think if you take that discussion on municipal government,
comma, City Hall, that starts on 93 and goes through 90 -- the little bit of 98, I think if
you move that to the very beginning of the discussion before Public Works, I think that
will address your concerns, because that will lay out the city departments, it will make it
clear. And, then, from then on it kind of goes into the subject matter. Or the specific
issue -- not really an issue, but it will be Public Works, public safety -- I think that will
address your organization concerns.
Hood: Any other comments on that section? These last couple of parts should go
pretty quickly, so -- particularly this last section, there is not a lot of new information
from the Comprehensive Plan or -- that's happened since the Comprehensive Plan.
Our natural sources are about the same. Special historic and hazardous areas are
essentially the same. They have been updated and I will highlight those for you, but a
lot of this is just pulling it out of the Comp Plan and putting it into this document. So,
some of this should look familiar to you or at least ring some bells when you read it. A
lot of it's not new, especially the, you know, climate, geology, hydrology, soils, that stuff
hasn't changed. So, we did add some stuff -- I think a little bit on the vegetation. On
flood plain we addressed before, but that -- that program is pretty new, too, so Kyle
Radek beefed that up pretty good and we have some -- some new stuff about flood
plains. But, again, it was previously addressed, it's just got another page or two. The
gas pipeline -- sorry, I jumped ahead. One fifteen, the natural gas pipeline, we did call
that out as well as the -- the liquified natural gas plant out there on Can-Ada Road, it's
within our area of impact, just south of McMillan. I think it's just south of McMillan. So,
that could be a hazardous area out there. Well, it is a hazardous area. And, then,
talking about the gas pipeline easement. That easement that runs through Meridian,
the northwest all the way through to the southwest, kind of -- for the Williams pipeline.
So, that's -- that's probably our most significant hazardous area of note. And, then,
again, getting into the historic resources. I have updated some of that, again, with
Lyla's help on some of the properties in table 42, the Hill house, the Bell house, the
Mitleider farmstead, and Mountain States Telephone and Telegraph Company building.
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And those have been listed since this document -- or since the 2002 version. So, that
was updated. And, then, some of the other -- and, then, there has been some slight
modifications to this, but, again, I'm going to get with Lyla and we will -- so, maybe you
and Frank, if he's willing to give me some time and work on updating some of this stuff
or adding to some of our historic resources, because I know it's not everything that
could be, so -- and, then, finally -- it doesn't really end on a high note, the national
interest electric transmission corridor is something that in 2007 Idaho legislature
requires we analyze and we have and it's -- again, this is -- Blake Lawson from Idaho
Power gave me this and said put this in and you comply with that element, so there it is,
it's -- it's nothing too spectacular to read, but it is one of the things that state code
requires us to analyze. They don't have any plans right now for any such transmission
corridor in Meridian, but they may in the future, so -- and, then, the next steps we kind of
did first, we did the -- we are going to form -- we have identified kind of these gap areas
where we want to put together steering committees to do the public involvement and
update the Comprehensive Plan. So, that is the document and I guess I'll stand for any
questions and just reiterate that if you can, by the end of June or so, if you can make it
through this document and send me or call me or fax me over your comments on this
document, I would be glad to receive them and at six weeks or so -- particularly on the
public participation plan and those subcommittee groups that we are looking at, if there
is other elements that you want us to dig deeper into or not dig into deeper, let me know
that, too, because that will set these next steps as those dominos fall. So, thank you for
your time. I appreciate you taking the time out and listening to this. I know it is fairly
dry, but it's exciting to me and I think at least to three others in the room, so -- but if
there are any other questions, so -- I think that's why you are raising your hand.
De Weerd: Well, Caleb, I think you have done a fantastic job really filling this out and
make it more robust and comprehensive. This tells the citizens a lot about their
community and everything that happens around it, many of the accomplishments, and
it's very comprehensive. I think there are some things that we can get this to each of
the directors, have them review it as well and make suggestions, but --
Hood: Perfect.
De Weerd: -- it looks great.
Hood: Thank you.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: Caleb, I'd echo the Mayor's words. I think you have done a fantastic job getting
this out. Much needed. And our new Comprehensive Plan book I hope is no thicker
than this.
Hood: No.
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Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Canning: It better be skinnier.
Bird: Uh?
Canning: It better be skinnier.
Rountree: That was going to be my comment that hopefully we can put this in pocket
book form and somewhat tongue in cheek, but the reality is on your hazardous areas I
don't know what else you call them, but human suffering and property damage is
highest on state highway corridors and moving through our community. I don't know as
you need to address that, but maybe you want to call the hazardous areas something
else.
De Weerd: I could think of a couple of hazardous areas pertaining to weeds or -- or
their horders or something like that. Enforcement issue areas. Perpetual. Any .other
comments?
Rountree: Great job.
Bird: Madam Mayor, I do have one comment. When you get ready to get the citizens
involved, I would like to personally invite two guys and I would like to take the invitations
personally to them to be on the committee. And I'm serious.
De Weerd: Okay.
Hood: Is this for one of the groups specifically or just the general public --
Bird: I will give you their names. Mr. Walt Morrow and Mr. Ron Van Auker. And I don't
want Brad Miller and I don't want Ronny Van Auker. I want them to sit there and tell me
they will either be on it or not.
Canning: We will let you make that call, Councilman Bird. Thank you for volunteering.
De Weerd: And he will be the liaison on that committee, too.
Rountree: I'd gladly do that part.
Bird: Charlie will be right with me. We get enough grief from their end, we can give a
little back. No. I think it's good to have people like that on there.
Hood: Absolutely.
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Bird: They bring some very very good ideas and they are the -- they are the ones that
have the pocket books out spending the money in our community.
Canning: And, Madam Mayor, Councilman Rountree, I know it was kind of tongue in
cheek about the roadways, but as you read through this I think you will find that there is
more than one reference to things and it's -- there is certainly an ability to mention
things in more places, because it's appropriate and I think we should, you know, add a
statement that they were one of our more dangerous things and that weeds, as we are
going through this time when we have got a lot of undeveloped or kind of properties with
ownership in question, that weeds are a real problem. So, we will add those -- they
won't be robust sections, but we can add them.
Rountree: I guess what reminded me was the fact that an effort to at least improve one
of those corridors has been scuttled this past week, so --
Canning: Yeah.
Rountree: -- you know, to me that's an important issue.
Hood: And I'm not going to change the heading there, (mean --
Rountree: No. I just --
Bird: No.
Rountree: -- emphasize that we have got some issues.
Hood: Yes.
Canning: Those are the kind of comments we'd love to hear, because it's -- the more
we can think about these relationships the more we can try and deal with them in goals,
policies, objectives, and action plans.
Rountree: Well, you want to hear my real tongue in cheek one? If we have no climate
change in the climate temperature why are we talking about greenhouse gases?
Canning: And we can rephrase that to be more --
De Weerd: We are a dairy community. We have gas.
Hoaglun: We have lowered our carbon footprint.
Rountree: We have lowered the carbon footprint.
Canning: It takes energy.
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Rountree: Yes.
Canning: And we can retool it to focus on that. I think the wording that Caleb got was
from our energy strategy, which forced us to talk about greenhouse gas emissions, but
we can kind of convert that back into just energy savings, if that's the preference of the
Council.
Bird: You're fine.
Rountree: That's the best way to go.
Canning: I'm not convinced on the whole thing, either. But energy savings is always a
good bet, so --
Rountree: That's not my point.,
De Weerd: And you're trying to ignore us. Okay. Anything further?
Bird: What does the Planning and Zoning Commission think?
De Weerd: Yeah.
Bird: We haven't heard from them, Mayor.
Freeman: Madam Mayor, I have one comment. I agree the work on this is outstanding.
There is a lot of good content here, a lot of good organization. One suggestion -- I'm
just curious about the formatting, so it's kind of a minor suggestion. There are so many
categories in the index and I see that you have indented them to subordinate
paragraphs. Would it be worth considering having a numeric system to make that clear
as far as what's more subordinate to what section and maybe better highlight the 15
items that you have to address specifically?
Canning: The other thing we could do is just take out that fourth level so it's a little
easier to understand. Right now it's got all four levels in there, but we could just index
the three. We can -- it's all set up in templates, so we can also just make it -- what's the
alphabetical list -- and index instead of -- and simplify the table of contents and, then,
put an index at the back. That might be the way to go, too.
Freeman: Okay.
Hood: The second part of that question as far as highlighting those required 15
elements, I definitely call those out in the introduction to each section that this meets the
minimum of these three or four elements within this section. I don't know of any other
way to really highlight them and still keep the document flowing the way that it kind of --
you know, that I think it does, you know, with the grouping and transitioning from one
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element to the next. I just don't know how to do that. I certainly want it to be clear that
we are -- this is a state mandated element that we are analyzing and this one isn't, it's
something that the city likes and we are interested in, but I don't know I would do that to
make it clear which ones are the one of 15.
Freeman: Well, I hate to use building code as an example, but they do have chapter
numbers and, then, it's easy when you pull something out of context, because of the
number sequence that goes there, you know exactly what chapter it goes and you can
make each of those items a chapter, chapter one through 15, perhaps, and I'm sure
there is more complexity to this, obviously, than what I'm -- what I'm trying to
encompass in that comment, but when a document like this is so involved and covers
so many things, something like the international building code might be a model for
formatting it.
Canning: And, Scott, we -- this one will likely never get referenced. People may go to
this just for the background information and may look at the source notes and copy
some of the tables. Where the -- being able to not take it out of context and making
sure you know which table it's in will be more important in the next one and is actually
crucial in the next one, because if you don't know what section it came from, it can be a
nightmare, so --
Freeman: Right.
Canning: -- it will become very important here. This one we were trying to make a little
readable, but we can certainly number stuff. That's fine, so -- and to the Planning
Commission, the state code actually gives you the authority to do the Comp Plan, not
me. It gives it to you. Our Planning Commission has typically been so busy with
development review that you haven't had the opportunity and we do this because I see
this as part of my mission, but it certainly if any of you want to be more involved, if you
don't like the direction we are going, if -- you know, it's -- by state it's yours, not mine.
So, you need to let me know and we will make sure we address your concerns.
Rountree: Heavy burden.
Canning: Yeah.
Freeman: Thank you. That was a very polite way of saying if you don't like it, you can
step in and do it yourself. I appreciate that.
Canning: No. No. No. We can do whatever you need. But I just mean it's -- I just
need to know from you. I don't want to show up at a hearing and have you not like what
we have got before you. I mean you can be as involved as you want. If you want to
review all this before it goes out, we can accommodate that, you just need to let me
know how you want to be involved in this. We are just trying to relieve some of that
burden from you, we are not trying to exclude you, that's all I meant. Not put up or shut
up, so -- sorry.
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Freeman: Understand.
De Weerd: But anything you would like to take and do, fell free to.
Hood: Or be a part of. I mean if you're interested in economic development and you
want to be on the steering committee, certainly you're welcome to sit on that one. The
housing one -- I mean if there is any of these that pique your interest -- we promise it
won't be a huge time sink -- I mean we are talking about a meeting once a month for a
few months, so something along those lines.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: I would also add at some point it probably would come before the
Commission as a recommendation to the Council and we value your opinions very
heavily, so --and you do need to be involved.
De Weerd: Okay. Anything further.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes.
Zaremba: Just -- I know this isn't an agenda item, but just remembering when I was on
the Planning and Zoning Commission I was always anxious to ask the Council about
something and we have so few times to meet together, I'm just wondering any of the
Commission members want to ask us anything while we are together?
Rountree: Or tell us something.
Zaremba: Something we did that mystified you or you didn't understand one time when
we didn't take your recommendation or --
Freeman: Didn't come prepared for the opportunity.
Zaremba: Well, it's not on the agenda, so I just -- we get so few chances to discuss
things all together, that Ijust --
De Weerd: We will put it on the next agenda under other.
Bird: We haven't had that many controversial decisions here lately between, you know,
that come from Planning and Zoning to us.
De Weerd: If there is no further business, I would entertain a motion to adjourn.
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Rountree: So moved.
Bird: Second.
De Weerd: All those in favor say aye.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
De Weerd: Did the P&Z Commission adjourn as well?
Rohm: We could sure make a motion to that effect. Could I get a motion to adjourn
Planning and Zoning.
Marshall: So moved.
Freeman: Second.
Rohm: It's been moved and seconded to adjourn the Planning and Zoning. All those in
favor say aye. Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 7:56 P.M.
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