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HomeMy WebLinkAbout96Jul01 Golf Course Committee MinsGOLF COURSE CONSTRUCTION COMMITTEE JULY 1. 1996 The meeting of the Golf Course Construction Committee was called to order by Walt Morrow at 4:15 P.M.: MEMBERS PRESENT: John Ewing, Grant Kingsford, Patsy Fedrizzi, Brad Watson, Wally Lovan: Morrow: The first item on the agenda will be a review of the bids. Brad will give us a presentation in terms of the bids, please proceed Brad. Watson: We kind of had mixed results from the bids as you can see. We had 3 bids for the irrigation equipment, the low one was from Silver Creek Irrigation for $66,274.51. Which was about $12,000 lower than the second low. The original system was kind of speced and designed around the second low bidder's equipment. Silver Creek the low bidder offered some more equal equipment and they submitted information on all of it. I met with VI/ally this morning and as far as performance (inaudible) Silver Creek offers a five year warranty and all of their Rainbird irrigation equipment. The only exception to that that was just discovered this morning when I met with Wally when we bid it I was given tow parts list and I used one that I probably shouldn't have. It was for the sprinkler heads, evidently we wanted the ones with the stainless steel risers, I used the other parts list that has the plastic risers. I talked to Silver Creek this afternoon (inaudible) about $8 a head more for the stainless steel risers. We multiply that out that brings the low bid up to $6, 440. (Inaudible) Watson: If we change to the Stainless steel riser for Silver Creek, the added amount will be $6,440 to bring the total low bid to $72,714.51. Morrow: Now does that make the other two, if we are to interpret the (Inaudible). Watson: No they didn't because I wrote the specs around (inaudible). (Inaudible) Lovan: I think theirs would run about between $5 and $6 more. Watson: Even thought their increase would be less their overall (Inaudible) Morrow: I guess my question would is you are talking bout #12,000 on 66 to 79 why, do any of you knows know why that its, or can you tell the difference. Watson I have a break down here o all them. If you compare them it pretty much runs down the list. Most of the items are just a little bit lower it just all adds up to $12,000. You Golf Course Construction Committee July 1, 1996 Page 2 can just take anything off of here and it is a little bit lower with Silver Creek. Morrow: John your thoughts? Ewing: I guess as long as we think that the or equal is really an equal that is fine. Do not take this that I am saying this to you. I am very disappointed though that we have a, I am not shocked one bit that Silver Creek risers are $8 and everybody else is $5 after the fact and that is why we were supposed to be really watching those sprinkler bills. This is an example, I guess I put my two cents worth in, I said it and said it and now you guys are going to see it. Just mess with contractors after the fact that will get you. Kingsford: I am sure that their risers are any different (inaudible). Morrow: So we are comparing 8 to 6 in terms of $2 per riser. Kingsford: But if you add 6 to the 78 you are still looking at the $10,000 then (inaudible). Ewing: No I am saying that after the fact they know exactly how much they can be charged and not be thrown in jail. (Inaudible) I guess the only thing is that both of you went over and you feel good that it is an equal. Watson: I think so, we went through the things that are substituted the electric valves, we went through those, the sprinklers and the controllers, those are the three different things. Lovan: The brand name is Rainbird so instead of Hunter as far as I can tell it is a comparable type bid. Kingsford: You are starting to see more Rainbird on courses than you see Hunter around here at least. Lovan: The Rainbird is probably a little better on warranties than maybe even Hunter. I heard real good things about their warranties. Kingsford: Well going back 100 years when we were in agricultural initially it was all Rainbird that we (inaudible). Ewing: I don't know it certainly sounds like a five year warranty is a good warranty to me on anything. That would be (inaudible). Morrow: Okay, then is there any problem with recommending to the City Council that (inaudible) Silver Creek? Golf Course Construction Committee July 1, 1996 Page 3 Ewing: Walt, I guess I have a comment on that, I would like to go through the whole thing before we talk about that and I would really like to know where we really are on our budget before we start saying that we are going to recommend one thing or another. (Inaudible) Watson: Schedule two is the irrigation equipment installation for which we received no bids. I think the time line scared people off. The people I talked to all said they are really busy right now and couldn't find help that sort of thing. But kind of jumping ahead to Schedule three Cloverdale Nursery was the only bid for the green construction. They came in at $98,528.90. The day after the bid opening Terry Cook of Cloverdale called and asked if I would be interested in him getting a quote from another irrigation contractor and I said sure. (inaudible) late Friday afternoon he came back with this price that is on that memo. Somewhere around $68,500 (inaudible) Kingsford: That was the person, Terry Cook, that indicated would do it and make some specifications here on the time (inaudible). Watson: Anyway I got a couple of other names from Wally this morning and (inaudible) do the irrigation. I haven't had a chance to call him yet today but I will get (inaudible) another couple of quotes. By the way Oasis Irrigation (inaudible) he called me a half hour after bid opening saying that he hadn't been properly notified that he received (Inaudible) just picked them up out of the mail, he said they were mailed last Friday. I called about half of the people (inaudible) I don't know exactly what happened with him. But he brought in his bid anyway and it was (inaudible). Kingsford: Would it be possible for Janice to pull up what we have expended and maybe get a good handle on (inaudible) (PAUSE TAPE) Ewing: Don't you take the blame, they have been hashed and rehashed and beat up and I guess I have broad enough shoulders to say they should have been right. 1 was working on that and I do feel strong, I apologize about that little loop holes like that. But pretty quick (inaudible) Kingsford: Well let's look at the whole package again like John said, I like the bids but let's look at the whole budget and see if we need to (inaudible) Morrow: (Inaudible) and they do that, for our purposes today we know that it might be (inaudible) Golf Course Construction Committee July 1, 1996 Page 4 Kingsford: We can still approve these and down size can't we? Morrow: That is right that is what I am (inaudible) as soon as Janice gets the numbers. At this point it looks to me like we have about $240,000. Kingsford: Now I am not sure just how much we, I am not sure how much we have used, what was it we paid Charlie? Something in the $15,000 area and we paid how much to Frank Sorell or whatever his name is, $6,000 something. Ewing: We paid Frank $6,000 something? Kingsford: Yes, he plowed a couple of fairways out there and swathed a bunch (inaudible) Ewing: I knew he had done those weeds. Kingsford: But he plowed what would amount to number nine, all of number nine and part of eight. (Inaudible) Ewing: I know you are not because the other way we were talking about, I guess we were talking about (inaudible) Morrow: To day we have (inaudible) that was as of (inaudible) Kingsford: Had we paid for the seed then in that? Morrow: It doesn't appear in this that we had. Kingsford: How much was it that we spent on seed Wally? Was that ever paid for? Morrow: It was because I remember signing the purchase order on part of it. That purchase order was (inaudible) Lovan: That would be just for the (inaudible) Kingsford: Just roughly what are we talking about? Lovan: Roughly, we are talking about $9,000. Kingsford: How much are we talking about for pumping equipment? Golf Course Construction Committee July 1, 1996 Page 5 Lovan: The only figure I received was about $10,000 for two pumps and (inaudible) screen, filter and (inaudible) pipes Kingsford: How much did you guys think there would be on the building? Ewing: I guess I never did go any further than draw it. Morrow: Basically I just reviewed the drawings and said they are (inaudible) having said that what would you guess (inaudible). Ewing: I believe (inaudible) Morrow: The thing that is critical there was the (inaudible) the building itself it is close to (inaudible) Lovan: We still have more plowing to do, more discing to do and (inaudible) we also have some more construction that we have to do. It is $60 an acre for plowing and discing. Ewing: We didn't have to mow weeds this time they just disc up. Kingsford: Well they didn't disc real good but they (inaudible) Lovan: They don't look very good but they might be able to make it. Kingsford: It defined the fairways fairly good and (inaudible). Morrow: Let me ask you this, how much do you (inaudible) Lovan: You are talking 50 acres out there at $60 an acre is $3000 to do one phase of it. Kingsford: That is to plow, so $6000 and how much to disc? Lovan: You are talking the same price and I think the (inaudible) Morrow: That is $50 an acre that is $3000 Kingsford: So you are talking about $9000 in net, probably about what we paid Charlie the first time or a little more to rough greens. Has anyone talked to Charlie? (Inaudible) he did pretty good work. He finished up the pond, he knocked down those trees for us he took up that cement over at Baxter's and hauled that away: Took the cement that was in that ditch and (inaudible) Golf Course Construction Committee July 1, 1996 Page 6 Lovan: Got it all pretty much cleaned up got all the berms (inaudible). Ewing: So you guys are feeling like we got our monies worth? Kingsford: I think we got a pretty decent bang (Inaudible) Morrow: So we still owe him $1000 is that what you are saying. Lovan: Right now his bill is $5610 he had done $5200 before. Kingsford: So $810. Ewing: Is that a bill or just a sheet saying (Inaudible) bills from Gillingham (inaudible). I didn't know we were going to do that with Gillingham. Kingsford: Of course we were sitting out there trying to get him finished up and looking for more work and so we sent him out to knock down trees and haul (inaudible). It came out just a little over. Lovan: We also have seeding on there too, it is two way seeding so we are probably looking at another $6000 probably just to lay seed. Morrow: So we have to pay $60 an acre to seed? Lovan: I assume that is what it is going to be that is kind of the standard price. Morrow: I wonder if we can't get a package quota on all of this stuff because we have (inaudible) it seems like to me what you end up paying in these four deals is $40 an acre I think we might be able to package it like that and it would be slightly better in terms of price. You are talking about $3000 to seed or $6000? Lovan: $6000, it will go both ways (inaudible). Kingsford: The last time you and I talked Wally (Inaudible) maybe be able to use Frank's equipment would that give us any better deal? So he was just basically he was running the business? Watspn: I need to add one more thing we did have bunker sand in here originally but (inaudible) pulled out and I don't know what the quantities are, I don't know how to estimate that but evidently you has a source you thought could do it for (inaudible) Golf Course Construction Committee July 1, 1996 Page 7 Lovan: (Inaudible) Kingsford: So at that juncture, I am looking here at $316,091 without anything more in terms of construction of drains. Lovan: We still have the pipe that we need to build the ponds with and we are looking at (inaudible) In fact I still need that map (inaudible). I guess we are looking at about at least a mile of pipe six inch pipe it (Inaudible). Kingsford: Oh I think so, you are not pumping anything out of it just for circulation (inaudible) at least a mile. Putting it in is going to be more expensive than (inaudible) in addition to those you are looking at where the (inaudible) Lovan: (Inaudible) Kingsford: How do you do that, I am not a contractor, but how do we know the depth to put that when he hasn't yet (inaudible) Turnbull, we don't know how deep he is going to (inaudible). How do you put it in and make him fix it? Ewing: I don't know, where it is a gravity fed line I guess we about have to go where we have to go. They all the time put those siphons in but I don't if a siphon would work on an overflow gravity. Even though we are gravity, we are pretty flat. I don't know, you can answer that question better than Watson: I don't think you want to siphon that (inaudible) Ewing: I think we would have it plugged up. Watson: This road is in which subdivision? Kingsford: It would be in Ashford Greens. Watson: We have preliminary plans for that we can (Inaudible) Kingsford: We can pick up the elevations from that. Morrow: (Inaudible) Ewing: The road cut doesn't help you though if they don't have all of their finished grades and if you just have the first plat you might not have all the finished grades (Inaudible) Golf Course Construction Committee July 1, 1996 Page 8 Morrow: We can tell you how deep the cut is going to be (inaudible) Ewing: That doesn't help you I don't think and if I am wrong tell me. But just because you get a cut of the road if you don't have all of your finished grades because sometimes that cut of the road can start all that cut usually shows you is what the County wants to see on gravel and everything. You can have some grade zigging start on top of the ground and filled up and it would be the same cut as 4 foot in the ground when they are going through the swell. So what you really need is more than, you need the cut but you need the profile and then you need the cut. Morrow: Would there be (inaudible) Benchmark or reference point by which you could determine where the cut is (inaudible) what it has to be. Watson: Should be, I hope we are talking about the same subdivision because those were very close to being approved last I heard from Rick. So (inaudible) Ewing: Rick as in? Watson: Clinton, in public works. Ewing: Again, I am talking about something I really don't know anything about but once they get approval from the City and then it goes to Ada County for approval, Ada County can change your grade and the City doesn't care on the elevations of the road. Watson: Yes they do if there is any sewer. Ewing: They do care but it, we have to go back but it is not a done deal I guess. Ada County has the right to say hey we are not buying this road (inaudible). Morrow: What are your numbers totalling now (Inaudible) Kingsford: It would put $25,000 for Charlie we are looking at $341,091. Morrow: Twenty five what? Kingsford: Twenty five thousand to finish constructing greens. Lovan: (Inaudible) Kingsford: And I don't know if that is a right number. If we paid him $15,000 and he did $10,000 I would say he is about halfway, would you say that Wally? (Inaudible) Golf Course Construction Committee July 1, 1996 Page 9 Morrow: So what it amounts to right now is we have, you are going to add $15,000 for roughing it in? Kingsford: I did, so the thing that leaves us is still trying to buy roughly a mile of 6 inch pipe and connect that pond. Lovan: And we have how much money to work with? Kingsford: That is what I am trying to discern here. We had $350,000 Morrow: We have $374,000 to work with at this point, actually almost $375,000. Lovan: $375,000 how much from the City? Morrow: We have the $350,000 plus we had an outstanding balance in our account right now we are $24,671.60. Kingsford: But in that, that shows Gillingham $10,000 and Ewing at $10,000 which that is still fine, but Rick we have already deleted and we have deleted Gillingham so there goes $20,000 am I right? Morrow: No, because you already have over here, you have the offsets against Rock and just call them over here (inaudible). Ewing: So we have approximately $375,000. Morrow: We do until, we are going to have some bills and Wally (inaudible) to the extent that I don't see anything, we have Frank Sorell paid out of this, we have Rock Contractors has been totally paid out of this but I don't see anything here for Gillingham. Kingsford: We just (inaudible) and that both Rock and Gillingham came in as a revenue. Morrow: So you have to off set Gillingham's revenue and we haven't done that yet. Kingsford: I think you also have to offset Charlie's. Morrow: But you have. Kingsford: No see what you paid him has been (inaudible) Morrow: In addition to the $13,000? Golf Course Construction Committee July 1, 1996 Page 10 Kingsford: Right, Charlie did his $10,000 plus $13,000 above that. So I think if I am reading this right if you knock out $20,000 right out of that right out of the shoot. Ewing: Where do you see that we paid Charlie that much, I only see, oh, I see, $9,000 up there and then $2,000. Okay, I didn't see Rock Contractors twice in there. So, the $375,000 (inaudible) Morrow: Basically what that is (inaudible) they are going to be off set now. Kingsford: I think you just debit off $20,000 off of that. The other thing that I don't see on this and I will be God Damned if I can figure why we can't get a statement that shows that we had back here on the next sheet we have $11,700 which came in and that is screwed up. This next sheet has got to be the lots but I see nowhere and I know for example that we got $2,000 out of Dennis Marshall in Golfview and I don't remember how much because I can never pin Janice down on it that we got in $100 increments from Paul White out there in Cherry Lane No. 3, but surely another $2000 there. But there is surely somewhere there is another $3000 at least (inaudible) this second page has just got to be part of that $350,000 we are looking (inaudible) $650 a pqp. Morrow: So let me think Kingsford: So as we look at this as I see it we take $20,000 off of this $49,188 is that right so we have $29,188 that we would add to the $350,000? Morrow: I think you take the $20,000 off of the $24,671 because on the $24,516.40 those are all cash expenses that we have paid out of the $49,188. So your balance is currently $24,671.60 and you have to charge off against that the two $10,000 donations, correct? So your balance here of cash has been (inaudible) is about $5,000. Really maybe (inaudible) some other expenses out there that we don't know about. Lovan: The only other expense I know of was the (inaudible) Kingsford.: I would guess that the (inaudible) are done because the last one that I was aware of was Hi-Micro when she was showing (inaudible) Ewing: I don't see the $9000 worth of seed paid for either, does anybody see that? Kingsford: No but I counted it over here. Ewing: Yes we counted that already over here so it doesn't matter. Golf Course Construction Committee July 1, 1996 Page 11 Kingsford: The only major thing that I can see that we are short off then here is we are going to try and lay a mile of pipe and bury it for $9000 and that isn't going to work. Ewing: The other thing is do we have, I know we talked about the pumps and I put $10,000 in there for that. I used round numbers. But we still have to have an electrician and we still have to have, I never did get straight in my mind if we had to pay Idaho Power or if there is enough power there. Lovan: There is enough power there. Ewing: So we don't have to have Idaho Power Kingsford: We have to have panels don't we, is that part of the pump price? Lovan: The control should be with the pump price. You might want to add another $1000 in there for (inaudible). Ewing: But we still need an electrician. Morrow: And I gave (inaudible) I don't remember what the heck the number was. Lovan: I called Craig of Meridian Electric and he is supposed to come out (inaudible). Morrow: So at any rate what it amounts to is that we are incredibly close there. The big issues seems to be the pipe six inch pipe. Ewing: You know it just amazes me, So what number did we end up with farm labor, $15,000 is that what we ended up with? Kingsford: Well we talked about $15,000 because it was $9,000 and we looked at seeding two ways for another $6,000 is $15,000. Ewing: Now we shouldn't have put $15,000 in because we have already spent some right? No, that is from right now we got $15,000. Kingsford: We shouldn't have to plow probably 1 and 2 so we back out 12 acres or 10 acres. Lovan: One and 2 and 9 have been plowed. Kingsford: Not 1 and 2, 8 and 9 have been plowed. Now I don't know what the hell we are Golf Course Construction Committee July 1, 1996 Page 13 Kingsford: (Inaudible) I think we could go out and rent a tractor and put somebody on it and it would be a hell of a lot cheaper (inaudible) Ewing: Again, you guys are running this more than I am but that is a lot of money. The sad thing about it is we kind of lost ground on everything we spent last year. But that, it is only (Inaudible) Morrow: (Inaudible) my point here was is that (inaudible) because we are now into five categories (Inaudible) approaching one of the farmers and say hey come over and plow, disc and level and seed how much is it I think it is going to cost less (inaudible) with the (inaudible). Having said that we have spent that money on (inaudible) so that, I guess the question is and part of it this (inaudible) why do we have to (inaudible). Kingsford: Well Charlie and I don't know, but Charlie says thaf we need to plow some of that out there just where we get top soil up and so some (Inaudible) Ewing: He wants it plowed up so he can pick it and shape it easier is what you are saying? Kingsford: That is how I understood him. I can't remember if that was first hand or second hand that I got that information. Morrow: Now does he need to plow it (inaudible) (Inaudible) Ewing: It just shocks me, I think another one we need to talk to if we decide to go is talk to Cloverdale and start, see what they are going to charge us. If they are going to do the other part for us we will see how much they will charge to seed. They seed every day, they have got instead of having a farmer come in and change and I know nothing about it they have the seeders for that. Morrow: If I can expand on that for a minute, they can do a whole thing because they are in the turf farm business. They have all of the equipment it takes. Ewing: I am telling you that I have nothing, I have no idea what this farmer has got but I think Cloverdale has more. They are big time farmers. Lovan: Frank does not have the type of seeders to do the job with (inaudible). Morrow: (Inaudible) it is really tough to find somebody that has the equipment to do it. Usually when you have to (Inaudible) to get it to even seed. Golf Course Construction Committee July 1, 1996 Page 14 Ewing: Oh really? Morrow: So what I am suggesting is let's talk to Cloverdale and if they are going to do the greens maybe it makes a certain amount of sense to say we want to take the (inaudible) and ask the next question how much to seed this place. Lovan: (Inaudible) Kingsford: Now John, you talk to Terry all of the time initially he was talking about the possibility of doing a donation of a green, is that something that is still out of the question (inaudible). Ewing: I haven't even asked him, to be honest with you I think when we through him into a bid situation that everybody I think that it would be alright for somebody besides me to ask him if that is possible. I (inaudible) deal. In my mind I will tell you I think we eliminated it (inaudible) that kind of changes the rules to me. He might, when I talked to Terry a little bit about this I told him I knew the numbers and I told him I was really kind of surprised you came in that low and he said we cranked it down and I guess we had the insight knowing that if we were going to get to do we had t be cheap. I said that is right. Again he said I can't believe we are the only ones though. So I don't think that, the thing, I think though, I guess for the record I think that it is definitely a question that should be asked. He has never once said to me well know, we have never talked about. Morrow: Let's move ahead here because we have to relinquish this room very shortly for the City Council. Do we want to before we present this to the City Council for approval of the bids and award of contract do we want to air out of some of these gray areas or do you feel comfortable in at least awarding the material bids. Kingsford: I think Walt let's do as you suggested a little earlier. Let's go ahead and award the high numbers, the $98,528 let's award the $72,714.51 because as you said we come down (inaudible) I think we are probably going to have to when we start hooking up a mile of pipe we are not going to do it for cheap and especially when we have (inaudible). Watson: You will probably be able to award on that (inaudible) they could probably get something together probably by tomorrow. (Inaudible) Ewing: Is that an ethic thing with you or can you call them and say we need these stainless steel I take it the riser part of it, we need those we have a tight budget but (inaudible) Watson: What I have done is the most scrupulous (inaudible) Golf Course Construction Committee July 1, 1996 Page 15 Ewing: I guess I would rather beat up on them before contract and once there everybody is happy. I do think that we need to talk a little bit, well we don't either on award. I think they have some legitimate things in here, one being able to use (inaudible) Kingsford: What about on this thing here John or Walt, this installation thing. Would you feel comfortable John in approaching Terry about (inaudible) Ewing: Very comfortable. Kingsford: Would you do that and they are we looking at a possible award there an addendum (inaudible) Morrow: We can do that as a simple deal because now we don't have to worry about (inaudible) Kingsford: That is right because there were no bids. Morrow: We can do whatever we want there. Ewing: The reason that I feel very comfortable with Cloverdale is getting the responsibility on somebody's shoulders that I think we have a pretty high level of confidence that can handle the job. Kingsford: I feel very comfortable with them. Ewing: I do too and I don't think any of us know, well Brad didn't even know their name, it is not, (inaudible) (End of Tape) Ewing: So I know Terry (inaudible) again that is the reason. You know the thing that I have a problem with and I know time we are just in the 11th and half hour but I have got three, six; seven, eight, nine, ten eleven things that I wrote down that we needed and out of the eleven we only have today sitting right here three of them that are the affirmed price. Being the irrigation material, labor price for the irrigation and the green. We are not sure about the seed right now which I know we can find but we don't know. I have a rounded number off on the pumps of we think $10,000. Farm labor we are saying $15,000 but we are not sure on that. We have nothing on the electrical, we guess $7,000 on the building. We have nothing on the pipe, we guessed on $25,000 for Rock and then I have Idaho Power here which is a no. I guess I am not really ready to say hey we could go on this, I would almost rather come back tomorrow if we needed to. I know we don't like having meetings that Golf Course Construction Committee July 1, 1996 Page 16 often but have a few more answers here. I am thinking that, but that is only me. Kingsford: I agree with you the only reason I say is I go for these is I think we are going to have to take those (inaudible) Ewing: I hate to be in a position to award give somebody something to put in their hands and then go ask them (inaudible). Morrow: (Inaudible) we can ask for a special meeting (inaudible) or we can ask approval of these numbers not to exceed and then (inaudible) then award bids for those new numbers. Ewing: So maybe I misunderstood, you are asking or we are saying right now should we go to City Council on these numbers. Morrow: Yes Kingsford: We are talking about handing the award to them and so forth and very definitely we have to have a final budget before we do anything like that. Morrow: I don't want to do that at this point, I don't want, we have (inaudible) a fixed number then either we try (inaudible) or we wait until July 16. Kingsford: We have 30 days per ad (inaudible) to award? Watson: Actually I think it is 45 but Morrow: The other thing is in terms of time period what I would like the City Council to say is that (inaudible) here are the bids we are going to (inaudible) like you to approve these bids not to exceed so we have this information and then we can press on and award subject to the Mayor signing and the Clerk to attest and so on and so forth. Once we have the specs written for that bid because I don't want to get into the hassle of having to either (inaudible) and wait until the 16th. Ewing: I agree with that, we have got to get this thing going. Morrow: That is my dilemma and what I want to be able to say is (inaudible) and get the City's concurrence or the City Council to say no we are not interested we want something else different from you folk and we want that before we are willing to talk. If that is their instruction then so be it that is what we will do. Golf Course Construction Committee July 1,.1996 Page 17 Kingsford: I think we need to get some division of labor here. We need to find out what it is going to cost us. Maybe you can kind of get going and (inaudible) gravity pipe. We need to get at least a reasonable number to calculate there. We have got to get a firm number on that pumping equipment. We need to get (inaudible) maybe you guys can take another look at what that building is going to cost. I guess to the extent of (inaudible) I have no qualms at all about either one or both building (inaudible). Morrow: (Inaudible) Kingsford: We need to have a good number. Ewing: I was just sitting here thinking, truthfully I am (inaudible) but can you think of anybody that would want to, you or Morrow: I think the best thing is we have your (inaudible) we are going to have to, between you and I we have to find a subcontractor that will build it and get it done for us and (inaudible). We can either (inaudible) or jointly (inaudible) Ewing: I was just thinking that it would be nice to walk in in a couple of days and say this is a firm price (inaudible). I just thought of somebody, you know that Bob Frost has done a little bit of work for the City and the School does anybody know him? Kingsford: I know the name is all. Ewing: Anyway he is a little (inaudible) he likes things like that. I think it would be good on a budget if we had firm prices, as many as we can. Kingsford: Well clearly since we are as tight as we are Ewing: I think definitely since we are as tight as we are. 1 will call Terry and see if he will tie it together and I will ask him also should I ask him about discing and leveling and seeding? Morrow: Yes do, I want (inaudible) I think we need to get that number from him. (Inaudible) (Discussion Inaudible) Kingsford: And advise him that there are two of the fairways that are plowed that I don't think (inaudible) Ewing: I think what I am going to ask him if he is interested I think I am going to then come Golf Course Construction Committee July 1, 1996 Page 18 back and do you think it is fair to have him come see you to identify the ones that have been plowed? Kingsford: I think he would just about have to go out and (inaudible) Ewing: That is what I am thinking, maybe I will do that if he is interested. I will call the group and say I will meet you out there at 5:00 tomorrow night and we will walk it and this is what we need or you. Morrow: Well let's put it this way, you are going to (inaudible) get a price from him for plowing, leveling and seeding and (inaudible) that we can get numbers from. Kingsford: The other thing you were going to do was talk to Terry about (inaudible) Morrow: Grant you and Brad are going to do the 6 inch pipe and install. (Inaudible) What I will do is (inaudible) with respect to these maximum numbers. Anything else that anybody can think of. We need to adjourn so the Council can take over this Chamber. Ewing: One thing is somebody going to talk to Terry about donating or do you want to hit that after we see what he does here? If he has a good price (inaudible) and the bigger it gets on this part that is the first thing. The second thing is, is somebody going to talk to, did you mention somebody talking to Charlie because that is a big number right there that we need to tie down. Morrow: Grant why don't you talk with Charlie since you work with him (inaudible) Anything else? Lovan: (Inaudible) Kingsford: Well we have an agreement if it ever comes together with Turnbull. He has easements and we have easements. The other thing we will have to tie down is I don't know what (inaudible) where we have put the gravity lines and also the pressure lines. What kind of an agreement do we have, we are likely to be there first in some of the areas. Morrow: (Inaudible) Ewing: Can we set our next meeting right do you think and have some answers. I think we should have it soon. Another thing that was a question, but we talked about (inaudible) again with this being so tight I just cannot, I feel like we can't talk about something and then leave it slide back. Do we need to get somebody to do that? Golf Course Construction Committee, July 1, 1996 Page 12 going to have to do over there on number 2 but boy (inaudible) Lovan: There is a lot of rock there. Ewing: On 2 which one is 2? Kingsford: That is the one out there in what's his name (inaudible) Ewing: So we are saying along the Lakes is one, and then through the middle of the new subdivision is two and you are saying there is a lot of rock there. Was there always rock there? Lovan: I think we should charge (inaudible) Kingsford: You know he owes us some top soil and I think we better make sure we get it back. I don't think that was (inaudible) popping rock. Ewing: I was going to say it didn't look bad maybe you shouldn't have disced it. Kingsford: (Inaudible) was that sewer put in as designed. We have 3 damn manholes on the golf course out there. Watson: Sewer for? Kingsford: For the Lake at Cherry Lane that goes along the number 2 fairway. I saw two of them and one was hidden by some weeds. And I could have (inaudible) Lovan: (Inaudible) Kingsford: Maybe that is what those two on that side are right by the tee box (inaudible). Well I tell you what guys (inaudible) Ewing: I am shocked and I don't know, I am saying this not knowing anything but that we are going to spend $22,000 plus for a farmer to do that. Kingsford: I am telling you that they have nice equipment and everything but it is nothing tike Charlie and Gillinham roll in with and Charlie and are only giving him $25,000 on the budget to finish every thing (inaudible) what I am saying is either we way underestimated that it is going to cost for Charlie to finish, which I don't think you have. This is only my opinion we ought to be looking (inaudible).