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HomeMy WebLinkAbout96Sept17 Golf Course Committee MinsGOLF COURSE CONSTRUCTION COMMITTEE SEPTEMBER 17, 1996 The regular meeting of the Golf Course Construction Committee was called to order by Chairman Walt Morrow: MEMBERS PRESENT: Patsy Fedrizzi, Grant Kingsford, John Ewing, Wally Lovan, Brad Watson, Bob Frost: Kingsford: (Inaudible) talk to Mr. Frost about or vice versa. Ewing: Well I think that, just need to be kind of brought up to date a little bit, I understand we have some more problems, more leaks. I guess the decision was made just to build it. Frost: On that one section we described when got that letter back from Brad that you guys sent ahead and gave me the option to go ahead with that item and do that. But when we broke that ground up on that other side, on the south side of that wet well there is a joint where the whole wet well has been, it is leaking around the old joint area. It has let more water come in. I didn't know, I brought to Brad's attention that I didn't now how much water, when we pump out that other section of water so we can work around that new wet well we are still going to have water coming out of that existing one. Lovan: Is that the extension they put in there? Frost: Yes Wally. Lovan: (Inaudible) Frost: I noticed that. If we can get that wet well down where I can pass the inside of that wet well, pass the inside out then I think I can go ahead and continue on. Lovan: (Inaudible) Kingsford: How did that then go up Wally? Lovan: Number one (Inaudible) Kingsford: So Bob how far does that need to go down to where it reduces your problem? Frost: I need to go down about probably a good foot so I can get all the inside of that wet well sealed up. Kingsford: A (inaudible) Frost: I haven't looked at it today. Golf Course Construction Committee September 17, 1996 Page 2 Lovan: (Inaudible) Frost: So I can at least get in there and try to get that in the inside around that seam where they have added on, at least get it (inaudible) because the way it is now if I pump out of that other little area we are still going to get water out of that wet well into that new on the south side where it is going to be real muddy and we are going to have to put gravel and get it compacted before we set that footing on there. Lovan: Once we get watered down we will (inaudible) Frost: We are going to do a little more base work probably. Cook: We can run tomorrow on two and three, that all needs to be watered in in the morning. So you could probably, you will run tonight on your system on your existing nine two and three and one, 1, 2 and 3 can water tomorrow water through. Kingsford: (Inaudible) so through tomorrow you ought to get (inaudible). Ealing: I guess if the water gets down we will just continue to build it then. Frost: I will try to get that inside at least where that seam is get that sealed up somewhat. So we don't get water still backed up underneath that slab later on. That is what I was concerned about too. But that is the thought that came across my mind when I first saw it out there is we get water underneath the footing and that little footing and underneath the slab is my concern. If it is not that big of a deal we will just bump it and let it dry up and put some rock in the base and compact it and set a footing on top. Ewing: Where are you at, you got your (inaudible) Frost: I got a mass pipe (inaudible) clear down at the base, clear down at the hard pan, we reached hard pan, I have a mass pipe, we stuck an 8 inch pipe in there with some (inaudible) and then we will have to get a submersible electric to sit down in there while we are working. Ewing: Okay, that is for your temporary for your construction, do you have, you have got the wet well for the new pump set? Frost: No, we have got that, the pre cast is down there it is ready. Ewing: You have your pre-cast down there and your back (inaudible) Golf Course Construction Committee September 17, 1996 Page 3 Frost: With rock, it is all set in there and ready to go and the inlet pipe piece in there too. We are off maybe, we checked it before we set it, after we set it we are off 3/8 of an inch from the old to the new on the elevation. Ewing: Lower? Frost: Higher Ewing: I .don't that that matters. Frost: I have a, the stub sticks out about five feet and it has a cap on it, (Inaudible) so you guys can hook on it whoever does. Kingsford: The stub for the main line? Frost: Yes (inaudible) Ewing: For the intake. Frost: Right, I stuck it out there further so when we go to back fill or somebody gets up close to the hoe or something then we are not going to be stuck out far enough to where you guys can get a hold of it. Cook: Oh, the intake for the pump station. Frost: For the pump station for the new wet well. Lovan: So we have an intake and an out go into that? Frost: No, not for the new, not that I, it is just an inlet. Cook: Well there will just be an inlet from the wet well (inaudible) Lovan: Let me back up and let me get my mind straight. (Inaudible) Kingsford: What else John about the pumping station? Ewing: I can't think of anything. We had talked about you were going to get a price and did you get a change order on we are going to put a door in there? Frost: I gave that and Brad sent me a letter back and he is kind of wanting now since we Golf Course Construction Committee September 17, 1996 Page 4 have made a little bit of change since because we didn't remove the existing wet well he wants another change order put in because of the amount of money that it might have reduced. Now that we are, I didn't have in my original bid, I thought we would run into some water but not this amount and have a submersible running for 3 or 4 days while we are working in there is going to be some money. I can't have (inaudible) for 3 or 4 days. So we are going to stick (inaudible) Cook: So you need to get the water level down in the pond that is the whole problem right now. Frost: It would be nice, if there was no water. But it is just (inaudible) Ewing: What we had, we have got everything up to this level right here and you are saying the static water comes up into those two foot holes. Frost: Right now it is sitting about below probably, it was the other day six inches or so below that existing wet well on the south side. Ewing: Clear up here or clear down here. Frost: Over the top of the existing wet well. Ewing: So where does that wet well come in in relationship to where the footings are at? I guess, here is the, I can't drawworth a darn, right here is that wet well that comes in and then where do the footings, what elevation, how, to come up to finish elevation which is this 2 foot wall right here how much do you have to add to that. Frost: It shows on the print that I got we don't have to add anything, you guys didn't want anything added onto that wet well on that existing one. Ewing: Not the existing one the new one. Frost: We have to come about another 42 inches somewhere in that area. Ewing: Another 42 inches you have to add onto that, 42 inches. And so, 32 inches, down here is the bottom of your footings and you are saying (inaudible) down here right now. Frost: We have water all over that whole thing John. Ewing: Oh, it is flooding Golf Course Construction Committee September 17, 1996 Page 5 Frost: It is flooding everything. Ewing: So the static water level is clear up within 6 inches of the top of the existing wet well. Lovan: (Inaudible) Ewing: We should have been able to get the two foot walls in without water. Frost: That is what I thought too but you can see and I showed Brad out there and he said too he can see it, you can see where water is coming out of the seams. ,Now since we broke open the soil and that is what has happened all along ever since we started digging there we have broke open up that virgin soil and then the leaks have just started penetrating. Kingsford: You might Bob monitor that when you leave here when you get a chance for in the morning and we will have (inaudible) logically then go tonight, how many hours do you pump Wally in your normal cycle? Lovan: (Inaudible) Kingsford: Is that 12 hours what it takes it down six inches? So we will either go three inches tonight and then logically all down tomorrow take it roughly another six. So 9 inches we should (inaudible) over the next 24 hours. Lovan: (Inaudible) Kingsford: Does that take the pond up so it is about to run out of the west side? Frost: It is going to be pretty close. Cook: Could we put any water in those existing or new ponds yet? Kingsford: (Inaudible) we don't go across the canal yet. (Inaudible) Cook: I am not talking about the drainage deal, I am talking about after we irrigate tomorrow and we get all the seedings wet and you still don't want to, we just tap that main somewhere. But you are only still going to be down another 6 inches, he needs to get down here it looks like a couple of feet or some doesn't it. Golf Course Construction Committee September 17, 1996 Page 6 Frost: I can take care of the old section, where we have the pre-cast tank, I can take care of that water problem there. But we are still going to get, unless we lower that water to wet well we are still going to get water coming out of the seam of that existing wet well. Cook: What I thought though was we couldn't take the pond down that far, we tried that once before and put that, where we talked about putting that line (inaudible} Lovan: You can take it down about 18 inches (inaudible) Cook: We will reach that, we will reach that by, this time on, let's say we pump all night tonight and all day tomorrow and all night the next night we will reach that. Cook, J: Wally is not sure he is going to run two full sets though he is going to run probably half so he is only (inaudible) he doesn't want to get the course too wet to play. I am just saying if we need (inaudible) run some of it into one of those ponds out there. Kingsford: (Inaudible) same advantage for probably an hour (inaudible) pumping for three hours. Cook: That is the thing you pretty much have to cut the main line (inaudible) (Inaudible) Cook: Yes up on hole number nine. Frost: Run something temporary out the 2 inch valve and just open her up and let it fill up that pond (inaudible) You can pump a whole bunch of water out of there if you just let it run open discharge for (inaudible). Ewing: I think that you have the problem solved, it is just that you want to be paid for the additional water (inaudible) Frost: I can get the job done, I am just dealing with more water here in a situation and I don't want to have problems later down the road. Maybe I am making more out of this than there really is but (inaudible) Cook: I guarantee you there wi11 be further problems down the road. Kingsford: So Bob, so that I am clear here, just how much does this have to drop to remove the major part of your problem from the old wet well that seeps over. If we are down 18 inches I know you are talking about going up here 42 or whatever. But if it is down 18 Golf Course Construction Committee September 17, 1996 Page 7 inches does that clear you? Frost: Yes at least that will clear me. I am just worried about the water coming out of the existing wet well into that new section on the south side where we have got a little 2 foot 32 inch wall or whatever. I can take care of the old part where we just put that pre-cast in, I an pump water right out of there and keep it dry all of the time for it to work. But then when we open up like I said before when we open that one piece of ground south of that existing wet well then the water just decided to break out of that wet well and those seams. That is what I need to get stopped before we pour any more mud. Kingsford: Well it looks like that should be alright to (inaudible) Frost: I will keep my eye on it then. Lovan: I think {inaudible) Kingsford: (Inaudible) Ewing: I think I would like, to revisit the, are we in a situation where it would foul you up if we regrouped and talked about some ways to do away with that existing (inaudible). Frost: I have kind of pushed that issue some time before and you and I talked about it because I, but I didn't quite understand at that time the importance of the pumps and, the water and the new grass and everything else. I think it is worth looking into again I really do. I am just trying to save some maintenance cost and some future problems. Ewing: You understand, what needs to happen is right now we have that intake pipe coming in and then we have that old existing spring box and we have bad leakage around here and then we have (inaudible) going into the building into the new or the existing wet well where all of these pumps are sitting (inaudible). What really needs to happen is we have pipes coming out of here which have been taken care of. We have two pipes coming in here and we never did figure out what the both pipes (inaudible) Frost: One has a cap, we dug back far enough, we found a cap it sticks out about 3 foot and there is cap on the one that is on the south. Ewing: On the south, so we would have picked the wrong one. But anyway, when Brad was figuring his angles (inaudible) what we have got looking down at it is we are kind of off set like this. So we need a fitting that will fit and turn and come over, I can't draw, but anyway an elbow that comes over and fits in. Did Brad figure for the one on the north of the angle? Golf Course Construction Committee September 17, 1996 Page 8 Frost: No we didn't figure on any angles, what we figured was that 22 1 /2 would but after Brad and Lewis and I was looking at the situation the way the lines were ran into the pond and then if we were to stick onto that (inaudible) Ewing: Figuring the pipe on the north. Frost: Right, figuring the pipe on the north. There is no way that (inaudible) Ewing: (Inaudible) Frost: It would still have to be Lovan: That was my understanding (inaudible) Frost:. We could put a (inaudible) coupling on there but like Lewis said you guys (inaudible) after about a year or two you are going to cut down the flow of water coming in there and in a year or two that (inaudible) is going to bust out. It just is not a good coupling for that type of fitting that we have that, the way those lines are ran right now. Ewing: Well anyway that would solve all of the problems forever but it is an expensive fix because there is no way to cut the water off here at the pond other than going out with a plastic bag. There is no valve in here, I don't even know, there should be a valve in there but I don't think, this is the existing golf course stuff. Cook: We were talking before, excuse me for interrupting, but we were talking before about putting in a gate valve so the guys don't have to go out in the pond and close that down or whatever. You can shut water off to work on the pumps right outside the new shack. Ewing: Does the new one have a valve, I don't think it does. Frost: I don't know Ewing: I guess if no one else is concerned but. I guess I would like to revisit that. We are really and I don't know where the line stops between old golf course and new golf course and where we are going on it. But we are really in my opinion because of budgets we are really doing, we are really kind of scabbing this together which I think is going to be a problem down the road. I mean if Bob can't get it built what is it going to be like afterwards. Now I don't know maybe that is Bob's problem but (Inaudible.). Frost: This is the thing I was talking about too, I was looking down the road for future. We Golf Course Construction Committee September 17, 1996 Page 9 are doing kind of a quick fix here which we will still get you guys pumps and everything else but it is the other things that were done before hand that I think we have problems with that need to be resolved before we go into that building and build it. Ewing: I don't mind the quick fix if we weren't building a building. But you are saying it is not too late because all you have got is that new wet well. Frost: Right, we can still build on that. I can still build on that pre-cast. But it would sure help a lot I think in everybody's concern and I realize that Terry has got to have water for his lawn and seed and everything else and the pumps. But it would sure I think get rid of a lot of problems down the road. Ewing: Well maybe we can revisit that and (inaudible). Kingsford: Certainly it is something that we couldn't have torn up for more than a day at this juncture. That is absolutely taboo. Frost: That was our original plan that we had, that is what we had planned on (inaudible) come in there and take that old wet well out and put a hard pipe in there and we would have been rid of everything. Then we would have the water shut down for maybe a good day at the most and then it would have been right back in working order again and we would have no water problems and so on and so forth like we do right now. But the way the angle of the pipes is running there is no way we can make (inaudible). Lovan: (Inaudible) Ewing: Actually (inaudible) I think we gave you from 4:00 until the morning. Frost: You are right, I agree, we can still do it. Ewing: (Inaudible) Kingsford: Well in terms of the existing course we probably would not suffer at all right now with this temperature (Inaudible) Frost: It would probably be down 2 or 3 days. Lovan: It depended on when and everything. Cook: The big problem with this is that screen box, that is where all of the leak is coming right there. Golf Course Construction Committee September 17, 1996 Page 10 Frost: That is exactly right Cook: And that screen box is just to clean the junk that is coming in. Frost: It is for nothing, it is nothing right now. Cook: You can't put a new pipe, I don't know is it that much of an expense is it or does that screen box need to be in there. Ewing: No, and I think I know what you are saying just forget the pipe going out, the only expense we would have then is changing a screen wash to a new pipe. You are talking about running clear out or in fact dig that one clear out and just move it over where we need it. Cook: Put a new pipe in. Frost: See that is what we had talked about too. Cook: Put a new pipe in and come out of the cast that you have sitting there and come over and go right under the wet well that is existing inside the pump house. That is the wet well right, where those pumps go into. Lovan: I think Jake the angle of the pipe coming out of the pump house is not (inaudible) Kingsford: Isn't that because of that screen? Cook: That is what I am saying cut that pipe off out of the screen, that screen box is here and your new wet well is here or whatever, your pre-cast box. If this screen box was gone, your pipe came in here, out of it and over into your existing pump house. Lovan: They don't have the right angles. Frost: We have to move over that existing (inaudible) Ewing: Looking down at that box here is the wet well inside the building that we are pumping out of, the pipe comes out and goes into that screening like here, the pipe, inlet pipe out of the pond out here comes in over here and we have got this, we have an angle there that you can't go buy a fitting off of the shelf to marry this up to this. That is (Inaudible) But I think what I thought I was hearing you say or what 1 was thinking when you were saying was is go ahead and cut it right there and tear it out and we are talking about 30 foot or 40 foot of pipe. We are only talking about 30 foot of pipe if we go and Golf Course Construction Committee September 17, 1996 Page 11 redo it, I don't know what we are talking about but just forget the old one or dig the old one out and (inaudible) and line it up. There is really nothing that holds it there is there? I mean it just runs out there and Frost: Once it is full of water it (inaudible) Lovan: (Inaudible) (Discussion Inaudible) Frost: Coming out into the pond (inaudible) then maybe put an angle out in the middle of the pond somewhere. Ewing: But then we have to re-plumb the water, the pressurized water that comes out to the screen wash and we have to take the screen wash and the screen off and reinstall it on the new pipe. Cook: There is pipe work that comes out of the well back out here that cleans something? Ewing: Yes there is like a one inch. (Inaudible) Lovan: (Inaudible) Frost: And that is what we discussed before Jake too is that then this would clear up all of this matter. Kingsford: Well I guess the thing that we really need to talk about is how much money we are talking about. Ewing: I think we (inaudible) Frost: (Inaudible) Ewing: It was already decided to do this once and then we it got dug out and they got figuring we could not, if I understood it right, we could not go to buy off the shelf a fitting the right angle to marry this off setup. So then the decision was made I don't know from who but Brad I guess (inaudible) and it was decided then to just forget it. It was leaking before it can leak now. Golf Course Construction Committee September 17, 1996 Page 12 Frost: We hadn't discussed a price though from redoing any of the pipe out here. Kingsford: We have never talked a price to (inaudible) Frost: Yes we did but the only part we didn't discuss a price on was from realigning and doing any more alignment with the pond pipe. Ewing: (Inaudible) and buy that much pipe. And this fitting was going to be a glued fitting and this was going to be a mechanical fitting. The box would be gone there would be no more leaks. (Inaudible) Lovan: That is when everybody thought that pipe ran right straight out (inaudible) straight pipe (inaudible). Ewing: Well maybe we can visit about that. Kingsford: (Inaudible) Cook: (Inaudible) unless you were to cut that pipe back farther. Could you gain any on the angle if you went back out into the lake then used two fittings? Frost: No because they come right out of the angle of that pipe from right where the pond is right straight into the tank. So one straight angle right from the tank on out the pond is one angle completely. Lovan: I am going to ask one more question, the problem has been with us for 18 years now, I wonder if we can live with it for another 18 years if we get this other set up (inaudible). Can we do a (inaudible) Ewing: Well that is what you are going to do right now. Frost: Yes, I am just trying to fight the water and which is no problem we can get it to work with everybody and. it is going to, I hadn't planned on fighting this much water. But I can do it, I am just trying to think of down the road less headaches for everybody. Even though it is going to cost some money now I think down the road it is going to save everybody some money and headaches. We keep, (inaudible) buy a lid, that is no big problem, you have to buy a lid and get a lid fixed for that old existing well (inaudible) to cover that old wet well up. I don't know, that was (Inaudible). I will do it no problem, I don't have a problem with it. I think it is just a fix (inaudible). Golf Course Construction Committee September 17, 1996 Page 13 Lovan: (Inaudible) as to what our budget is and if we have the money. (Inaudible) let's do like you said John, let's take (inaudible). Kingsford: Good enough, how is everything going with you Jake? Cook: Good, tonight we should be seeded through from the ditch to the ditch all the around that kind of horseshoe. We have number 3 and number 4 green graded and we are ready to seed that as soon as our irrigation contractor compacts the number 5 fairway we will seed 3 more greens and we will be seeded down that next block, (Inaudible). So our irrigation guy is thinking he should be done Monday or Tuesday. of next week except for his connections on the 6 inch and the four inch when we change the culverts. Kingsford: And then basically will he still have some compacting to do after that? Cook: I think that should be done, (inaudible) hopefully their machine will catch up to them. I plan to be right behind him. So hopefully by the middle of next week we should be seeding if things are like I plan. Kingsford: So when you say you have seeded you have seeded then one and two greens and the practice green and then (inaudible) Cook: One fairway, two fairway and the number 3 fairway up to the ditch. Kingsford: Which is most of the fairway (inaudible) Cook: 90% of it. We did have, we don't have any seed in number 3 and number 4 green but we had tire tracks right through the middle of both of them. We weren't there Monday, we were shut down because of the rain. I saw them Tuesday, our irrigation guy said he saw them on Monday morning. Saturday afternoon as far as I know we weren't working right there but my guys didn't see anything. I wasn't there but I don't know what we are going to do about that. We have been fortunate so far we haven't had any trouble. But that is the first of any kind of vandalism we have had and you know how that works after you get the (inaudible) that just ruins the whole thing. Kingsford: Is there any kind of indication of where it came from, off of Black Cat most likely? Cook: It would have to be because we have one crossing closed now coming from the other side, the one fairway side and then the other one, the water has risen the ditch quite a bit. It is almost running over that first culvert. So I wouldn't think they could come from that way (inaudible). Golf Course Construction Committee September 17, 1996 Page 14 Kingsford: I don't know how you could ever secure that. Cook: That is going to be tough to protect all of that area once it is seeded. It is not only greens it is fairways it is all of it. That stuff is going to be reasonably soft and it can go (inaudible) even dogs (inaudible). We about lost a German Shepherd on Saturday morning (inaudible) Other than that everything has gone good for the last week and a half. So, gophers, there are a lot of gophers. Kingsford: How much activity is Brighton putting in out there? Cook they are just trenching across our fairways right now. They have been doing that every since the water has been down on number 5 and number 6. We talked to them before they started their guy doing the trenching and said come and get us when you are ready and our irrigation guy hasn't made contact since then. I told him that we wanted those trenches recompacted and this and that. So they haven't really, I mean, I don't know. They have their drainage swales cut but other than that they are just kind of going. and doing whatever they please. Kingsford: Part of what l was thinking about Jake was just thinking about securing that. They are (Inaudible) we have a lot of linear feet around there (inaudible) Cook: Plus their work runs right into the middle of it, it is going to be impossible. I don't' see anyway unless you posted an armed guard out there all of the time. The people that have been working out there have been pretty good about staying off the fairways. But, we are getting more and more people that are seeing more activity out there and curiosity is most of it I think. People just stop and ask what is going on or want to see what the golf course looks like. Lovan: (Inaudible) Kingsford: I was thinking if we were to put 20 signs along (inaudible) Cook: I don't know, if Brighton had some frontage lots along there you wouldn't have to worry about it. Their weeds would be so tall you wouldn't be able to see anything back there. But (inaudible) Kingsford: (Inaudible) Cook: Six or seven feet in some places. Kingsford: (Inaudible) stand up on a tractor and not be seen. Golf Course Construction Committee September 17, 1996 Page 15 Cook: There is going to be a pretty good fire hazard out there. Kingsford: I don't want to get after him too much about clipping those until we have grass growing (inaudible) You got in ahead Terry with your weed control stuff of seeding? Cook: Yes spraying is all done, in fact I thought we got a pretty. good kill on that Canadian Thistle (inaudible). I think it was enough to get a little start on it. Then once you start mowing (inaudible) Kingsford: (Inaudible) Cook: We got the County to come in and spray it and he told me they used a product called (inaudible) Kingsford: I bought something like that (inaudible) Cook: We had them do it, he had a mixture that he recommended. I told him to put on what he thought was best. They sprayed all but number nine, we sprayed nine ourselves with that equipment they had out there. They did the rest of it. Lovan: (inaudible) Cook: Round up and (inaudible) but there was some other thing that he told me about that they were just having excellent success with the Canadian Thistle and that is what he used. I told him to just go with whatever he felt was the best for what we were after out there. It was done. Lovan: (Inaudible) on number nine now? Cook: Oh the elevations there, I gave that information to Brad actually, and we are low, I think, to maintain water in that pond we need to put at least a foot or a foot and a half around the back. Probably, you are looking at another $1500 in equipment time worse case scenario I think. And now is the time to do it, irrigation runs through there but they haven't set heads yet and up to date now we are complete with all of the equipment work that we have to do. Lovan: But you don't have the go ahead to do it yet? Cook: Well I never really asked for the go ahead. I just completed what we had talked about the last meeting with the top soiling and that kind of thing. Now we are done with that and our numbers, basically you guys wanted an estimate of where we are at. We are Golf Course Construction Committee September 17, 1996 Page 16 finished now so we can see which way we want to go with it. Lovan: I guess right now I am trying to get a final figure (inaudible) completed so we can address what John is talking about here and (inaudible). Kingsford: (Inaudible) do we have enough left in there would you have any idea (inaudible) Cook: (Inaudible) I think we had billed, I don't have the figure that we are billed up to, that we billed you so far. (Inaudible) It was $18,000 something right in there. Kingsford: I've got a $17,300, we paid a $17,300 and I assume that is all in that category. (Inaudible} Cook: WE had that and that was through, that was when we were doing the most of it I think. Kingsford: That is all I see from you guys. There must have been one after that then. There was a little after that. Cook: I think Terry has it pretty close there. Our what we have done since the last meeting we have done $2400 and $3500. That completed the (inaudible) Kingsford: So vve are talking $21,135 Cook: Yes, and that .completes all of the heavier construction work. The rest of our work will be probably (Inaudible). Kingsford: And you are saying the worst case scenario you think maybe $1500? Cook: Yes Kingsford: I don't see how we want to get around that, if you have the equipment out there I say you need to go right ahead and do it. We Can't be having a pond that leaks all over. (Inaudible). Ewing: Are you going to be able to get the material right there (inaudible)? Cook: There is a top soil pile that Charlie stacked on right in the ground. So, I think that is an over estimate but I can see we can get right on it and it shouldn't take too long at all to get her out there. Golf Course Construction Committee September 17, 1996 Page 17 (Inaudible) Cook: We have nine tee boxes here and the pond kind of goes like this and this end is the lowest but we need dirt probably up in through here on both sides. Then there is the corner right here in Brighton's ground and Charlie has put a stockpile of top soil right there which we use to top soil this number 8 which was a lot better. We didn't know about actually I backed into it with the scraper is how I found it. But, the weeds had grown over it and we didn't know it was there. That is what saved a lot of money there on that number 8. We didn't have enough top soil to finish that and when we found that stock pile a lot closer, it cut the haul by half, we were bringing it from over here along (End of Tape)